Kyrie before Lebron: 0 playoff games Kyrie since leaving Lebron: 17-18: Injured before playoffs, team makes ECF without him. 18-19: Historically bad series vs Milwaukee, shoots 33% FG and 19% 3PT, loses round two, leaves team. 19-20: Plays 20 games with losing record, doesn’t play in playoffs for Nets who made it despite him playing 20 games. 20-21: Gets injured in playoffs, loses round two. Losing record without Harden all year. 21-22: Plays 20 games with losing record, gets swept first round and averages 15.3 PPG on 37% FG in the last 3/4 games. He would be Walmart Tracy McGrady without Lebron, Harden, and Durant
U realize Kyrie only played 2 nba seasons before LBJ went back to the Cavs 🤷♂️ on a terrible team... and yes, he's been injured or out with the covid vaccine thing ever since.
as a nets fan, I wouldn’t be mad if they let kyrie walk. I hope they can get something significant in return but kyrie has left the front office no choice. he hasn’t played half the games and he’s brittle in the postseason. I’d rather have a solid team with bench depth.
The best team they had was the one they had when they first got there they should have never traded for Harden. I knew it wouldn’t work. 3 betas and no leader
It’s funny how the nets front office is mad at Kyrie, but traded for a guy like Ben Simmons. What Simmons did in Philly was way worse than anything Kyrie has ever done. They look foolish
@@BlackCelticsFan they didn’t have a choice, it was 1 day before the trade deadline and harden was gonna walk in free agency. they gave up their entire future for harden. we’re they suppose to let him walk for nothing? at least they got ben and some pieces
@@grospipo20 They need something different. First round sweep is not it when you’re expected to win a Chip. I don’t care that the team that beat them made the finals because Brooklyn got swept.
Nick is right tho, we’re talking about an organization that caved into Kyrie last season when they were “standing firm” on the vaccine and weren’t going to play a part time player and all of a sudden he was back in the rotation. I understand where everyone coming from but the nets are desperate and they won’t risk it. If he officially tells them he will walk they’ll cave again.
I take Nick's point that the complexities of the salary cap means Kyrie leaving leaves them with almost nothing to replace him. I still wouldn't give Kyrie a 5 year max. If KD is so great he can make something with Simmons, Curry and Joe Harris. They got some draft picks back. The future isn't a wasteland for them. And Kyrie doesn't make them the favorites or anything.
@@duckmeatpigmeat406 yeah they probably wouldn't be title contenders. But they had Kyrie the last 3 years and won 1 playoff series total. So having him hasn't made them contenders either. Plus if he drops this ultimatum on Brooklyn, their front office will have the whole world on their side. I doubt any of this matters. If Kyrie wants out his agent will almost certainly recommend playing along for a sign and trade so that Kyrie doesn't end up a full blown pariah.
@Humble he got swept for the first time in his career and choked a lot in the games that he's played in the regular season as well. He's definitely declined a bit
bad for a team - yes... what would've happened if wiggins didn't want to take the vaccine? mind you, this is coming from someone who didn't wanna take it either, but with certain jobs come certain responsibilities, if you don't want it , someone else will
@@cimi93x Bad behavior and negatively impacting a team are two different things. His decision to not take jab and his injuries arent behavior related. If Broussard would of said he needed to sacrifice foe the better of the team that would make sense. Do you people just respond to respond or do yall actually think?!!!!
If i was the Nets GM i would offer him a heavily incentive based contract for 2 years with a possible 3rd on a team option or if he hits certain criteria the 3rd becomes guaranteed. If he says no i would open the door for him and tell him it's been a "pleasure" working with him
If you were Durant would you want to play with Ben Simmons and role players. They don't have the cap to replace Kyrie. You gotta sign him to the max and if anything trade him later if he doesn't hit your standards. Otherwise Durant will force his way out, he's not trying to waste his prime
@@juwilball i'm saying IF here by the way but if Simmons can come back to his best as a playmaker/defender i think he will be a great addition to the team. He is great at driving and kicking the ball out to an open man on the 3pt line. I like Joe Harris coming back. In my personal opinion Kyrie isn't worth the drama and headaches he brings to the team
@@juwilball KD wouldn’t force his way out just because the Nets let go of an unreliable player. If Kyrie is as dedicated to KD as you seem to think KD is to Kyrie then Kyrie should exercise his one year option to show his dedication to Team and KD! Also see how the season goes.
Not really he’s willing to give in and give Kyrie the Max when his options are really bad teams which I doubt he would want to do & the fact that not every bad team is willing to give him 4 years guaranteed
@@ksisniipez so letting him walk is better ? You’d get nothing , even if you don’t like the 4 year deal, it’s better than not having him , you can always trade him and get SOMETHING rather than NOTHING
Dude’s brought it upon himself man,so can you blame the front office in getting rid of him, this team was put together for advancing even stronger than last season but he was one major team component in this Super Team that totally failed big time!! Imagine him playing to full potential!! Well imagination doesn’t win you playoffs
“Totally failed” because he didn’t want to be forced to get a vaccine that takes 3+ shots to even maybe work? It was KD that failed the team in the playoffs 🤡
One could say that both KD and Kyrie came up short because Ben Simmons was not available all playoffs. The formula for winning NBA titles is three great players on one squad with good role players. Nets have weak role players and only two stars. Definitely cannot afford to part with Kyrie Irving.
facts they left harden drifting in the wind aaaand the media killed harden all season for trying his best despite of this its hard to root for the kyrie honestly
@@depannist neither is Kyrie since ky has played about the same or more games for the nets even with all his “issues” that the media lies about, and the fact it was KD who sold in these last playoffs even tho the year before, Kyrie and KD were destroying the bucks until Giannis injured Kyrie. Y’all are pointing the blame at kyrie for no reason
Kyrie did it to himself man smh 1 of a kind talent but too emotionally weak. You never know which Kyrie you get each day. He could wake up any moment during the season an decide he don't want to play for whatever reason. Dam shame cz dude can ball
Imagine if Kyrie Irving signs the mid-level exception for like 8 million for next season with the Lakers. Sick restoration of NBA power to Lakers Celtics finals like the '80s like it ought to be. If Kyrie Irving survived a season and brings the title back to LA, then he is eligible to receive loads of money that used to go to The brick.
Nick is right u can’t let kyrie walk for nothing that would be stupid plus the only reason kd is even in Brooklyn is because of kyrie, no way they would have a chance to beat the bucks without Irving
The fact that nick is the only person answering the question directly, isn't surprising. They're all trying to calls Kyries bluff. The question is what is the best for the Nets. If you're the team that employs KD and you're deciding we don't have a chance to win anyway, than you just shouldn't be in charge of a NBA team. And if you think you can't trade Kyrie for something, you just haven't been paying attention to this league.
instead of calling his bluff... they're more like saying, "we really don't need you...you haven't made a difference here anyway...if anything, you've been a headache."
No, he isn't. No one cares what you're culture is if you're losing. The Nets are stuck in between 2 bad scenarios, and the worst one is losing Kyrie for nothing. They still won't have the cap room to add to that team. They'll be basically stuck with their current roster
Yeah………………. I’m not paying Kyrie no max for 5 years…. Normally like Nicks takes but not this one…. Sometimes you gotta just cut ties instead of tryna get greedy and benefit from them one last time
It's funny watching these guys switch up on the Nets in real time. Chris Broussard had the Nets beating the Celtics in the first round just this season with only KD and Kyrie. Everybody was saying they'd be even better next year once Ben Simmons got healthy. Now everyone's saying they don't have a real chance to win with or without Kyrie 🤣💀. I love it. Letting Kyrie walk for nothing will bury the rest of KD's career. He will never win again. Seth Curry, Joe Harris, and Ben isn't getting KD to a title
No but KD, Seth, Joe & Ben plus bench depth that they can get if they free up cap space by letting kyrie walk. If you notice around the league all these top heavy star teams are flopping. You need a well rounded team
the only reason the nets would sign kyrie to any kind of long term deal is because they are afraid of losing kd. i don't know if kd would bail should kyrie leave, but that is a definite risk.
This is why Nick is the smartest most objective on the show.. he’s putting himself in the shoes of management.. of course everyone would love to be able to say bye Kyrie we don’t need you
@@leonardomoore1868 Wrong if kyrie walks for nothing than the nets will still be in a world of trouble, did you not listen to the points Nick made ??? The other three were talking as if the nets can make moves if kyrie walks, which to Nick's point they can't. Sorry but KD ain't gonna hitch his wagon to Ben over kyrie and that's just a fact 💯
Letting him walk is the worst option for the Nets. Anyone saying let him walk just say so because it sounds like justice to Kyrie. But thats not the question.
I don’t see it happening but every single team with a smidge of common sense should enact this. If every team did it then hopefully it would stop everyone’s BS.
3 teams deal Brooklyn get Terry Rozier, Gordon hayward and Lakers kyrie irving and Patty Mills.... then the Hornets will get two first picks and Russell Westbrook..
Another option with those teams is The lakers receive- Kyrie, Hayward and the 45th pick The Nets receive- Terry Rozier, Kelly oubre, PJ Washington and the lakers 2029 first round pick unprotected The Hornets receive- Russ, THT, Kendrick Nunn and the lakers 2027 first round pick, a pick swap with Brooklyns 2028 first round pick and the lakers 2023 second round pick
@@olove5784 I think the Nets dont want a often injured player in Hayward with a massive contract, Kelly oubre puts up very similar numbers plus is much cheaper hes making 12 million this year plus its an expiring contract, and they get other starter in PJ Washington there starting 5 would look like this Pg- Terry Rozier Sg- Kelly oubre Sf- PJ Washington Pf- KD C- Ben Simmons Now that lineup from 2-5 can switch on defense and all those guys can shoot with the exception of Ben Simmons. Ben becomes a point center like Jokic expect he doesn't shoot, but is a better defender than Jokic so thats the trade off
@@mike.cdn7212 durant took the easiest possible route to two rings and that’s why he left😂 He knew he could win 4 more and nobody would really praise him for it
@@felipe5955 That doesn't mean he didn't take 2 potential championships from LeBron. I'm glad he left Golden State, sure they played great basketball but it was hurting the league. Durant left because of Draymond's comments calling him a b**** and then saying they didn't need him, but the fans didn't feel that way when they were losing 3-1 to Toronto 😂🤣 But good on them winning without Durant. I still believe Durant took the right path on leaving the Bay.
Serves them right, it's not like this is the first time his integrity has come into question. You risked it all on a flaky guy and now he's flaking. You get what you deserve.
This conversation is insane. Letting him walk would be asinine. You make no cap room, ZERO.. you are so far over the cap that letting him walk means nothing. I’m sorry but you have to keep him or sign and trade him. The more I think about it, LA isn’t that impossible
As a black man this is embarrassing. Although Walker is a NBA champion and 3x Allstar I don't want him discussing NOBODY's contract or finances. For obvious reasons. Chris failed to stay on topic as always but instead of debating why he deserves to get a max contract you choose to shame the good brother.
Nick is right on this one. They have to gamble and give Kyrie a max. There are few certainties in life so sign the guy to a max. Taking away the covid no vaccine episode, though far from a perfect employee, Kyrie hasn't been that bad.
The true question for Kyrie is: Do I value my friendship with KD and the common goal to win another chip more than my money and my pride? Walking away from Nets for Kyrie means he devalues his friendship with KD. Not speaking for everybody, but it's a betrayal to me. Kyrie doesn't really need the max money if he is what he thinks he is.
@JeremyCuddles Lmao Rudy got exposed last season. You can put a 6’5 guy on Rudy and he can’t score. He can’t score at all. He was available but what does that mean if u 7’1 and is a liability on offense and defense.
It’s wild how many people (in the media and in the comments) really believe letting him walk is a viable option. You’re essentially saying I’d rather have drop Kyrie and keep the exact same team, than bring Kyrie back, see if it works, and if it doesn’t trade him somewhere else and at least get some value back for him. Letting a “max level” player walk in the NBA has never been and will never be the right answer
They set themselves up so well, all they need to do is hit on 2 draft picks in the next 2 years then trade the future picks for a superstar, the way Presi picks based on his past there’s high confidence he will get it done.
Broussard is so stuck on himself that he does not realize how stupid he sounds. You do not let someone that tatented go for nothing. KD, Ben Simmons, and those role players are doing nothing in the East.
Let's just stop talking about the nets. Simmons won't play on a huge deal, same with Irving, and Durant will be left playing the season capped out and with Blake griffin as his #2. The nets are a failure
I agree with Nick on this one based on the nets salary cap situation, because if Kyrie walking and I can't bring no one in,then basically I'm just wasting the rest of KD career, letting Kyrie walk means for the next 3 years they have no money and draft picks
Very confused thinking here; the flawed assumption is that keeping Kyrie at any cost assures good prospects for the title. It simply doesn't; I am inclined towards Brousard's view, let him walk even if he does find a suitor.
It's a shame bc they literally got KD and kyrie in free agency. Sean marks build a very good young team and coach and bc of kyrie couldn't keep half the players. They shouldn't have did a sign and trade with warriors bc they just won against my celtics primarily bc Wiggins is an amazing wing defender. Now Nets are stuck in a bad place and last error they made was getting rid of Dinwiddie for harden. Which turned into Ben simmons. Those swings end up costing the fans long term
This is why brou and wildes could never be gm's. you can't just let kyrie leave with the way the cap works. and yes there would be plenty of available trade partners that would take a chance on kyrie. signing kyrie to the max is the only win now move for the team. if not like nick said kyrie walks and the way the nets cap money is structured they would not be able to bring back a contract even half what kyrie would make. Brou and wildes playing gm with their heart, nick is playing gm in real life.
if i was the sixers i will be really interesting in kyrie if the nets don't give him the max i would i let harden go and get kyrie to team him up with embid and trade tobias for picks and role players to provide a little money in cap space
@@Frostie323 are you sure about them being over the cap !! I do know that don't have that much money but over I'm not sure about that i mean they have embid and tobias on the max theybull and maxey rookie contract and the others are just role players so i don't know
@@richardgutierrez26 I disagree with that but you might have point to...I just think if he'll return to LBJ he definitely gotta chance of going back to Boston bad blood between them doesn't matter they win championships(overall I want him on the Knicks)
But KD is the best player in the world! He was the reason GS won 2 chips! He a bus driver!! Isn’t HE supposed to win chips? Even though he couldn’t do for 10 years and 2-3 MVPs ago! Or Last year with the Nets? 🤣 😂
@@myishacausey6199 naw we are I was saying he won’t be any closer to winning a chip being a leader of a team with what’s left of the team. Man anyone who’s a competitor know that switch to GS was Lame !
@@imchampion6804 Okay! But here is where we part ways… MJ would have relished playing against Steph and KD. Kobe did as well. So when you say “anyone who is a competitor knows that move was lame”,.. I say anyone who is a competitor SHOULD have been encouraged to up their game! Anyone who complains is very insecure. Like a child who got the small slice of pizza… don’t cry about it… ASK FOR MORE! Rise to the occasion or celebrate the victor. Gladiator/Mamba mentality.
It’s not smart to go all in on a guy whose prime is at the same time as Steph curry and Klay Thompson. I’d say they sign kyrie long term, trade KD at peak value for a ton of amazing assets to pair with kyrie and let them compete for chips in 3 years or so once kyrie matures and Steph loses a step.
Kyle has waited to long to decide if he wants to be a professional basketball player. And we still don’t know if he wants to be a professional basketball player.
Only max I'd give him is a Pepsi Max...If he was a better team guy I'd gamble on him because of the talent but I ain't fooling with him.
🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏👏
🤣🤣 Pepsi max
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😂😂😂
All of a sudden because he did not want to take a vaccine he is not a team player. I think he is a team player but he has his priorities in order.
Kyrie before Lebron: 0 playoff games
Kyrie since leaving Lebron:
17-18: Injured before playoffs, team makes ECF without him.
18-19: Historically bad series vs Milwaukee, shoots 33% FG and 19% 3PT, loses round two, leaves team.
19-20: Plays 20 games with losing record, doesn’t play in playoffs for Nets who made it despite him playing 20 games.
20-21: Gets injured in playoffs, loses round two. Losing record without Harden all year.
21-22: Plays 20 games with losing record, gets swept first round and averages 15.3 PPG on 37% FG in the last 3/4 games.
He would be Walmart Tracy McGrady without Lebron, Harden, and Durant
U realize Kyrie only played 2 nba seasons before LBJ went back to the Cavs 🤷♂️ on a terrible team... and yes, he's been injured or out with the covid vaccine thing ever since.
All that said, every team would take kyrie. Pay him 40 mil a year, different story
@@darrellhardy90 He played from 2011-2014 without Lebron…
@@darrellhardy90 3 season before Lebron
All you said was facts...just the part that Lebron doesn't win the Cleveland ring without Kyrie
If I’m KD, I’m not rocking with Kyrie if he leave
Remember when he did the All Star Game team selection with LeBron after James Harden bailed on him? They couldn’t STOP ripping Harden lol 😂
Don’t be mad at kyrie be mad at the nets, the nets owe kyrie the max he is the reason kd is in Brooklyn it’s that simple idk why ppl forget that
@@kendreviusclincy4377 they jus n the moment mfs..theyll change their opinion tomorrow
@@kendreviusclincy4377 So you wanna pay Kyrie for pimping KD? WTF?!? 😂
@@myishacausey6199 if that’s how you wanna put it yes you don’t have kd in Brooklyn your not a title favorite if it for kyrie it’s that simple
as a nets fan, I wouldn’t be mad if they let kyrie walk. I hope they can get something significant in return but kyrie has left the front office no choice. he hasn’t played half the games and he’s brittle in the postseason. I’d rather have a solid team with bench depth.
I rather have kyrie on my team than Ben Simmons any day
The best team they had was the one they had when they first got there they should have never traded for Harden. I knew it wouldn’t work. 3 betas and no leader
It’s funny how the nets front office is mad at Kyrie, but traded for a guy like Ben Simmons. What Simmons did in Philly was way worse than anything Kyrie has ever done. They look foolish
@@BlackCelticsFan they didn’t have a choice, it was 1 day before the trade deadline and harden was gonna walk in free agency. they gave up their entire future for harden. we’re they suppose to let him walk for nothing? at least they got ben and some pieces
@@Mike_017 KD can avoid playing 40 minutes a game if he has an actual team. All the stuff you mentioned goes away with a deeper team.
Kyrie on a 5 year contract will be virtually untradable!
The Lakers would take him for Russ in a heartbeat. You guys are not thinking.
@@FanNews29 ahh yes KD would welcome Russ with open arms coz they both did so well choking against the warriors back then lol think both ways
@@FanNews29 but does the nets want Westbrook?
@@ssk58607 This is about Brooklyn and KD is there for the long haul and if KD was saying anything for Kyrie he would have a max contract by now.
@@grospipo20 They need something different. First round sweep is not it when you’re expected to win a Chip. I don’t care that the team that beat them made the finals because Brooklyn got swept.
Nick is right tho, we’re talking about an organization that caved into Kyrie last season when they were “standing firm” on the vaccine and weren’t going to play a part time player and all of a sudden he was back in the rotation. I understand where everyone coming from but the nets are desperate and they won’t risk it. If he officially tells them he will walk they’ll cave again.
I take Nick's point that the complexities of the salary cap means Kyrie leaving leaves them with almost nothing to replace him. I still wouldn't give Kyrie a 5 year max. If KD is so great he can make something with Simmons, Curry and Joe Harris. They got some draft picks back. The future isn't a wasteland for them. And Kyrie doesn't make them the favorites or anything.
Great take
what? make something? like make the playoffs? sure, but this isnt 2018 where you would face the pacers or bostons 18year olds lol, east is stacked af
@@duckmeatpigmeat406 yeah they probably wouldn't be title contenders. But they had Kyrie the last 3 years and won 1 playoff series total. So having him hasn't made them contenders either. Plus if he drops this ultimatum on Brooklyn, their front office will have the whole world on their side. I doubt any of this matters. If Kyrie wants out his agent will almost certainly recommend playing along for a sign and trade so that Kyrie doesn't end up a full blown pariah.
i agree totally kyrie really isnt a needle mover even if he plays
L take
4:24 Jenna staying in character, not laughing
... but it is oh so hard!
Good catch.😂
Sucks to feel old all our nba heroes are always talked about the media as being out of their primes
Kyrie is not out of his prime
@@mike.cdn7212 talking about kd in here
@Humble ehhhhh lol
the new stars aren’t as great as the old ones
@Humble he got swept for the first time in his career and choked a lot in the games that he's played in the regular season as well. He's definitely declined a bit
Bad Behavior??? Injuries and not wanting to take the jab is bad behavior??
bad for a team - yes... what would've happened if wiggins didn't want to take the vaccine? mind you, this is coming from someone who didn't wanna take it either, but with certain jobs come certain responsibilities, if you don't want it , someone else will
@@cimi93x
Bad behavior and negatively impacting a team are two different things. His decision to not take jab and his injuries arent behavior related. If Broussard would of said he needed to sacrifice foe the better of the team that would make sense.
Do you people just respond to respond or do yall actually think?!!!!
If i was the Nets GM i would offer him a heavily incentive based contract for 2 years with a possible 3rd on a team option or if he hits certain criteria the 3rd becomes guaranteed. If he says no i would open the door for him and tell him it's been a "pleasure" working with him
If you were Durant would you want to play with Ben Simmons and role players. They don't have the cap to replace Kyrie. You gotta sign him to the max and if anything trade him later if he doesn't hit your standards. Otherwise Durant will force his way out, he's not trying to waste his prime
@@juwilball i'm saying IF here by the way but if Simmons can come back to his best as a playmaker/defender i think he will be a great addition to the team. He is great at driving and kicking the ball out to an open man on the 3pt line. I like Joe Harris coming back. In my personal opinion Kyrie isn't worth the drama and headaches he brings to the team
@@juwilball KD wouldn’t force his way out just because the Nets let go of an unreliable player. If Kyrie is as dedicated to KD as you seem to think KD is to Kyrie then Kyrie should exercise his one year option to show his dedication to Team and KD! Also see how the season goes.
And he’ll be maxed out with a new team within the next 5 minutes after he walks out your door
Agreed
Once again Nick shows he’s the smartest one on the show !!
Not really he’s willing to give in and give Kyrie the Max when his options are really bad teams which I doubt he would want to do & the fact that not every bad team is willing to give him 4 years guaranteed
@@ksisniipez so letting him walk is better ? You’d get nothing , even if you don’t like the 4 year deal, it’s better than not having him , you can always trade him and get SOMETHING rather than NOTHING
Nick job is exclusively to start narratives to get players traded to get his God lebron the best scenario to win a title
Dude’s brought it upon himself man,so can you blame the front office in getting rid of him, this team was put together for advancing even stronger than last season but he was one major team component in this Super Team that totally failed big time!! Imagine him playing to full potential!! Well imagination doesn’t win you playoffs
“Totally failed” because he didn’t want to be forced to get a vaccine that takes 3+ shots to even maybe work? It was KD that failed the team in the playoffs 🤡
One could say that both KD and Kyrie came up short because Ben Simmons was not available all playoffs. The formula for winning NBA titles is three great players on one squad with good role players. Nets have weak role players and only two stars. Definitely cannot afford to part with Kyrie Irving.
facts they left harden drifting in the wind aaaand the media killed harden all season for trying his best despite of this its hard to root for the kyrie honestly
@@MrDSyR KD ain’t to blame for the Nets failures.
@@depannist neither is Kyrie since ky has played about the same or more games for the nets even with all his “issues” that the media lies about, and the fact it was KD who sold in these last playoffs even tho the year before, Kyrie and KD were destroying the bucks until Giannis injured Kyrie. Y’all are pointing the blame at kyrie for no reason
Let him walk! It was really stupid for having given him a contract to begin with.. buyer beware!
Lol… buyer beware!
@@Mike_017 who says KD will leave? Stop listening to these commentators!
Kyrie did it to himself man smh 1 of a kind talent but too emotionally weak. You never know which Kyrie you get each day. He could wake up any moment during the season an decide he don't want to play for whatever reason. Dam shame cz dude can ball
Jenna looking absolutely fire
looking like a snack breh
If he wants a chip he better find his way to his old big brother otherwise Kyrie will never get another ring.
Cap
Imagine if Kyrie Irving signs the mid-level exception for like 8 million for next season with the Lakers. Sick restoration of NBA power to Lakers Celtics finals like the '80s like it ought to be. If Kyrie Irving survived a season and brings the title back to LA, then he is eligible to receive loads of money that used to go to The brick.
Lakers aren’t doing ish either way
kyrie aint gonna play by the rules anymore lol
@@Veritifiy man that would be a dream made in heaven I'ma LeBron diehard bro we back if that happen 😂🤣 the bar is raised we back on Jordan's a66
Nick is right u can’t let kyrie walk for nothing that would be stupid plus the only reason kd is even in Brooklyn is because of kyrie, no way they would have a chance to beat the bucks without Irving
So what. Nets already got nothing in return. Time to cut this loss and move on. He's toxic to the organization.
yea they basically gave up everything for harden just for him to walk and kyrie could potentially do the same lol
The fact that nick is the only person answering the question directly, isn't surprising. They're all trying to calls Kyries bluff. The question is what is the best for the Nets. If you're the team that employs KD and you're deciding we don't have a chance to win anyway, than you just shouldn't be in charge of a NBA team. And if you think you can't trade Kyrie for something, you just haven't been paying attention to this league.
instead of calling his bluff... they're more like saying, "we really don't need you...you haven't made a difference here anyway...if anything, you've been a headache."
Broussard 100 on this one.
No, he isn't. No one cares what you're culture is if you're losing. The Nets are stuck in between 2 bad scenarios, and the worst one is losing Kyrie for nothing. They still won't have the cap room to add to that team. They'll be basically stuck with their current roster
If the NETS let Kyrie walk then they are serious about building a culture.
A 15-20 wins a season culture 👍🏿
@@PrettyTone10377 you're putting way too much stock in Kyrie, a guy who misses games for a myriad of reasons.
Yeah………………. I’m not paying Kyrie no max for 5 years…. Normally like Nicks takes but not this one…. Sometimes you gotta just cut ties instead of tryna get greedy and benefit from them one last time
It's funny watching these guys switch up on the Nets in real time. Chris Broussard had the Nets beating the Celtics in the first round just this season with only KD and Kyrie. Everybody was saying they'd be even better next year once Ben Simmons got healthy. Now everyone's saying they don't have a real chance to win with or without Kyrie 🤣💀. I love it. Letting Kyrie walk for nothing will bury the rest of KD's career. He will never win again. Seth Curry, Joe Harris, and Ben isn't getting KD to a title
well things change and people flip, nothing weird about that... maybe they should've predicted the sheer insanity of kyrie but that's another story
No but KD, Seth, Joe & Ben plus bench depth that they can get if they free up cap space by letting kyrie walk. If you notice around the league all these top heavy star teams are flopping. You need a well rounded team
@@Crow44music they literally said in the video that letting Kyrie walk doesn't free up cap space
@@jeremiahsmith7706 Relax causal, they don’t have the cap space to sign a MAX SLOT player but they’ll still have enough room to sign some pieces.
@@Crow44music "some pieces" aren't getting them a chip rookie
the only reason the nets would sign kyrie to any kind of long term deal is because they are afraid of losing kd. i don't know if kd would bail should kyrie leave, but that is a definite risk.
Love Chris he is the man
I think they are missing the point. U can't let him walk for nada!!! U can't!!
sucks but yeah you can....
Hope he goes to a team the media never talks about
The Hawks
@@MaxPotentialGreatness the magics
Nick Wright, one of the greatest Take Artists (term coined by Broussard) out there. Stephen A., Broussard, Nick Wright on Mt. Rushmore.
This is why Nick is the smartest most objective on the show.. he’s putting himself in the shoes of management.. of course everyone would love to be able to say bye Kyrie we don’t need you
Nick is speaking facts on this one 💯
When kyrie walks the nets are free of any headaches!
@@leonardomoore1868 Yeah but why not sign him then trade him. Im sure there are many poor managements who would gladly take Kyrie even on a 5 yr max
@@leonardomoore1868 Wrong if kyrie walks for nothing than the nets will still be in a world of trouble, did you not listen to the points Nick made ??? The other three were talking as if the nets can make moves if kyrie walks, which to Nick's point they can't. Sorry but KD ain't gonna hitch his wagon to Ben over kyrie and that's just a fact 💯
Great take
Letting him walk is the worst option for the Nets. Anyone saying let him walk just say so because it sounds like justice to Kyrie. But thats not the question.
I feel like they’re only saying let him walk so they have more to talk about until football season starts
Don’t let Kyrie go for nothing, you gotta get Westbrick and his $47 million contract back in return 😂😂
preach!
That $47 million is for one year. Then he is gone and that is almost 50 million in cap space. Isn’t as bad as you think.
great points by Broussard
Give him the Kyrie clause. If he miss games for personal reasons, give him a large fine or take portion of his salary.
Lmao not gonna happen
I don’t see it happening but every single team with a smidge of common sense should enact this. If every team did it then hopefully it would stop everyone’s BS.
Sounds illegal
Lol...
Kd and Kyrie won't win a title. Let him walk.
Nets need to get rid of Kyrie if they seriously want to reach a NBA final.
3 teams deal Brooklyn get Terry Rozier, Gordon hayward and Lakers kyrie irving and Patty Mills.... then the Hornets will get two first picks and Russell Westbrook..
Another option with those teams is
The lakers receive- Kyrie, Hayward and the 45th pick
The Nets receive- Terry Rozier, Kelly oubre, PJ Washington and the lakers 2029 first round pick unprotected
The Hornets receive- Russ, THT, Kendrick Nunn and the lakers 2027 first round pick, a pick swap with Brooklyns 2028 first round pick and the lakers 2023 second round pick
@@richardgutierrez26 not a bad idea but Brooklyn would want more
@@olove5784 I think the Nets dont want a often injured player in Hayward with a massive contract, Kelly oubre puts up very similar numbers plus is much cheaper hes making 12 million this year plus its an expiring contract, and they get other starter in PJ Washington there starting 5 would look like this
Pg- Terry Rozier
Sg- Kelly oubre
Sf- PJ Washington
Pf- KD
C- Ben Simmons
Now that lineup from 2-5 can switch on defense and all those guys can shoot with the exception of Ben Simmons. Ben becomes a point center like Jokic expect he doesn't shoot, but is a better defender than Jokic so thats the trade off
Not enough help in LA? Lol
Patty Mills not getting traded… Brooklyn keeping him for Ben Simmons
Nick, allow Drew to preach. Preach brother Drew. Great points.
Right on the money Chris and Antwan
For a second I thought that siren was somebody’s cat 🤣🤣
I just wish Nick would stop interrupting people!
Kyrie needs to just opt into the final year and have himself a stellar year.
Nick gotta STOP INTERRUPTING! GottttttttttttttttDAMN! Let people FINISH TALKING! 🤦🏾♂️
As someone who been making there own money, it's hard for to discuss someone else money
If the Nets feel like they’ll let him walk for nothing they might as well trade him for Russ and get something. 😂
We cant act as if this man is a regular player, I would give Kyrie a contract with T&Cs so that if he is not playing there's something in return.
He doesn't want T&Cs in his deal. He wants a 5 year fully guaranteed max contract. That's the problem.
He is a regular player. I will not debate this.
@@myishacausey6199 he is irregular in almost every way. his skills are far beyond regular. and his commitment is way sub-regular.
Funny how KD and Kyrie ruined their legacies hating on Lebron😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Were you in a coma in 2017 and 2018? Durant took 2 chips against the Cavs 😂🤣
@@mike.cdn7212 durant took the easiest possible route to two rings and that’s why he left😂 He knew he could win 4 more and nobody would really praise him for it
@@felipe5955 you can’t tell these idiots anything
@@felipe5955 That doesn't mean he didn't take 2 potential championships from LeBron.
I'm glad he left Golden State, sure they played great basketball but it was hurting the league. Durant left because of Draymond's comments calling him a b**** and then saying they didn't need him, but the fans didn't feel that way when they were losing 3-1 to Toronto 😂🤣 But good on them winning without Durant. I still believe Durant took the right path on leaving the Bay.
Serves them right, it's not like this is the first time his integrity has come into question. You risked it all on a flaky guy and now he's flaking. You get what you deserve.
I would let him walk.
This conversation is insane. Letting him walk would be asinine. You make no cap room, ZERO.. you are so far over the cap that letting him walk means nothing. I’m sorry but you have to keep him or sign and trade him. The more I think about it, LA isn’t that impossible
Let him walk ! Burned bridges to every team he was ever on.
Poured gasoline on each bridge while flicking lit matches at em too.
Kyrie thats him
not smart
I can agree with Chris all the way
If he walks from Brooklyn, KD is following him unless they can put a team around him that can compete for a title.
why would KD walk? you think KD really wants to keep dealing with Kyrie? you see their frustration with each other in the playoffs?
As a black man this is embarrassing.
Although Walker is a NBA champion and 3x Allstar I don't want him discussing NOBODY's contract or finances. For obvious reasons.
Chris failed to stay on topic as always but instead of debating why he deserves to get a max contract you choose to shame the good brother.
These are bought brothers into this supremacy society. I agree with you on them discussing his income.
It’s bad business it wouldn’t free up any money
it all depends on KD. does KD give permission to the Nets to let Kyrie walk or are they gonna lose KD too (at least emotionally)
Nick is right on this one. They have to gamble and give Kyrie a max. There are few certainties in life so sign the guy to a max. Taking away the covid no vaccine episode, though far from a perfect employee, Kyrie hasn't been that bad.
Let him go , when it’s always about him , then what is your team ? Start to be an nba team
The true question for Kyrie is: Do I value my friendship with KD and the common goal to win another chip more than my money and my pride? Walking away from Nets for Kyrie means he devalues his friendship with KD. Not speaking for everybody, but it's a betrayal to me. Kyrie doesn't really need the max money if he is what he thinks he is.
He does need the max money. If rudy gobert got a max contract kyrie definitely deserves one.
He should get it simply for bringing kd to Brooklyn people forget kd was going to the knicks until kyrie said let’s go to Brooklyn
I want a max deal to only show up to half the games.🤡
@JeremyCuddles Lmao Rudy got exposed last season. You can put a 6’5 guy on Rudy and he can’t score. He can’t score at all. He was available but what does that mean if u 7’1 and is a liability on offense and defense.
Kyrie and KD need to call their daddies, Lebron and Steph and apologise real quick. 😂😂🤡
DeAaron Fox next to KD would have been incredible
It’s wild how many people (in the media and in the comments) really believe letting him walk is a viable option. You’re essentially saying I’d rather have drop Kyrie and keep the exact same team, than bring Kyrie back, see if it works, and if it doesn’t trade him somewhere else and at least get some value back for him. Letting a “max level” player walk in the NBA has never been and will never be the right answer
insert Russel Westbrook...
If they let him go they handicap themselves for next year.
If they give him a max deal they handicap themselves for 5 years.
They can't win
Facts. Best to let him walk.
Nah at least sign him and have his rights so you can trade him if needed
So we're going to forget the covid rules?????? I cant with these people who try and leave out the fact that covid destroyed their run....
Kyrie without LeBron has been a hot mess of a man. He needs LeBron so he can finish learning how to be a superstar.
Idk what happen to them, but on the court they complement each other really well
Wildes has the best hair in the world.
Even if he walks who’s dumb enough to give him the max
Patrick Beverly
Let him walk for nothing? 🤦🏽♂️ How is that the better option than trading him for something? AW’s takes be sketchy lol
I usually always agree with Nick, but this time I do not.
I can see damian lillard fitting well with KD but he loves Portland to much 🤦🏾♂️
I love the line about OKC and the ponzi scheme regarding draft picks.
They set themselves up so well, all they need to do is hit on 2 draft picks in the next 2 years then trade the future picks for a superstar, the way Presi picks based on his past there’s high confidence he will get it done.
Broussard is so stuck on himself that he does not realize how stupid he sounds. You do not let someone that tatented go for nothing. KD, Ben Simmons, and those role players are doing nothing in the East.
Antoine Walker you could have stayed at home. 💯👍👍👍
Kyrie doesn't care about money--that's the scary part for the Nets.
Let's just stop talking about the nets. Simmons won't play on a huge deal, same with Irving, and Durant will be left playing the season capped out and with Blake griffin as his #2. The nets are a failure
Lol! as a western conference fan! I say KEEP HOPE ALIVE! 🤣
miami makes sense right?
I agree with Nick on this one based on the nets salary cap situation, because if Kyrie walking and I can't bring no one in,then basically I'm just wasting the rest of KD career, letting Kyrie walk means for the next 3 years they have no money and draft picks
Very confused thinking here; the flawed assumption is that keeping Kyrie at any cost assures good prospects for the title. It simply doesn't; I am inclined towards Brousard's view, let him walk even if he does find a suitor.
Nick...no point in keeping him
I agree with Chris B. too… KI is too old for that type of contract.
Wow the only person being real here is nick! Let a super star walk for no cap relief at all, makes no sense
"OKC ponzi scheme" i'm dead
Why has Nick backtracked in the nets ? At first it was never going to win with big 3 and now all of sudden KD and Kyrie can win a chip ?
This can be good opportunity for LA Clippers imagine PG and Kawhi Leonard and Kyrie together.
they get him leaving the franchise in return seems like a great deal
Nets were actually on the rise before KD and Kyrie.
Too bad, they got two drama queens. Those egos are so complicated to deal with...
It's a shame bc they literally got KD and kyrie in free agency. Sean marks build a very good young team and coach and bc of kyrie couldn't keep half the players. They shouldn't have did a sign and trade with warriors bc they just won against my celtics primarily bc Wiggins is an amazing wing defender. Now Nets are stuck in a bad place and last error they made was getting rid of Dinwiddie for harden. Which turned into Ben simmons. Those swings end up costing the fans long term
This is why brou and wildes could never be gm's. you can't just let kyrie leave with the way the cap works. and yes there would be plenty of available trade partners that would take a chance on kyrie. signing kyrie to the max is the only win now move for the team. if not like nick said kyrie walks and the way the nets cap money is structured they would not be able to bring back a contract even half what kyrie would make. Brou and wildes playing gm with their heart, nick is playing gm in real life.
exactly
if i was the sixers i will be really interesting in kyrie if the nets don't give him the max i would i let harden go and get kyrie to team him up with embid and trade tobias for picks and role players to provide a little money in cap space
They’re over the cap even if Harden walk. They can on sigh harden because of bird rights.
@@Frostie323 are you sure about them being over the cap !! I do know that don't have that much money but over I'm not sure about that i mean they have embid and tobias on the max theybull and maxey rookie contract and the others are just role players so i don't know
These were the same Clowns saying Kyrie had no leverage...lol
really don't know how the contract works. seemingly if the player walk you don't pay. so team still save money and look for other players.
Kyrie go back to Boston or come home to the garden...NYK will give him a contract an we need point guard big time
Kyrie would never go back to Boston
@@richardgutierrez26 I disagree with that but you might have point to...I just think if he'll return to LBJ he definitely gotta chance of going back to Boston bad blood between them doesn't matter they win championships(overall I want him on the Knicks)
Honestly he should go back he was there missing piece in the Finals
1. Mj
2. Lebron
3. Doesn't matter from here
If he walks y’all wasting KD time . Broken Ben Simmons and roll players 😳
But KD is the best player in the world! He was the reason GS won 2 chips! He a bus driver!! Isn’t HE supposed to win chips? Even though he couldn’t do for 10 years and 2-3 MVPs ago! Or Last year with the Nets? 🤣 😂
@@myishacausey6199 lol facts
@@imchampion6804 👀… I dont think were saying the same thing. 🤣
@@myishacausey6199 naw we are I was saying he won’t be any closer to winning a chip being a leader of a team with what’s left of the team. Man anyone who’s a competitor know that switch to GS was Lame !
@@imchampion6804 Okay! But here is where we part ways… MJ would have relished playing against Steph and KD. Kobe did as well. So when you say “anyone who is a competitor knows that move was lame”,.. I say anyone who is a competitor SHOULD have been encouraged to up their game! Anyone who complains is very insecure. Like a child who got the small slice of pizza… don’t cry about it… ASK FOR MORE! Rise to the occasion or celebrate the victor. Gladiator/Mamba mentality.
It’s not smart to go all in on a guy whose prime is at the same time as Steph curry and Klay Thompson. I’d say they sign kyrie long term, trade KD at peak value for a ton of amazing assets to pair with kyrie and let them compete for chips in 3 years or so once kyrie matures and Steph loses a step.
in 3 years kyrie is past his prime. if he is even in the league that long. i could see him retiring if the nets don't sign him.
Antwan is the last person to give financial advice.
KD and Lebron reunion. Im here for it but the Nets will not get AD
I can see KD there next season, I don't see Lebron in it tho
Kyle has waited to long to decide if he wants to be a professional basketball player. And we still don’t know if he wants to be a professional basketball player.
Not happening