I think one of the most interesting comments Eric made is that our lower intervention point is probably much lower than we believe it is. I also love the information about prey animals defending their upper set point as vigorously as their lower set point. That could be applied through sports/performance psychology.
Great content. Coming over from the RP channel I often find it challenging to find any bodybuilding content that spikes my interest but I’m really loving these prolonged discussions on a variety of topics. ❤
very very interesting video!🤩 my feelings is that your genetics dictates your lower bodyfat percentage. that does not mean you cannot go below this percentage and live there… but means that your body will always try to combat this state and push you to regain weight and fat. Basically: you can live below your genetic set point, but it will be a never ending struggle with your body. My feeling is that i’m doing just that. I lost a fair amount of weight around 3 years ago, i’m now at i think 12/15% body fat (from a previous 28/30%), but i’m constantly hungry, not a lot of energy throughout the day… and definitely not able to put on muscle altough reeeeally pushing in my resistance training. And another opinion i can add on this is: your genetics is so determinant that hormones can help you with this… but at the end, genetic is more important than hormones. What said above stays true even when you add exogenous testosterone and growth hormone to the scene: still your genetic want you at that body threshold and will fight to get you there!! 😉😉
Very informative conversation. Much appreciated, guys! I have a long, long way to go to get lean. I'd like to get as close to 15% body fat as I can. I realize it may well not be sustainable for me. I suppose it's something you don't know until you get close. That's why I'm not married to an exact number.
Dr. Helms and Brian, have you seen anyone get close or at their low range of body fat and then start to have almost pure muscle atrophy while body fat remained the same ? This happened to me a few years ago when I was going on a longer 5-6 month cut, doing 2-3 sessions of lifting and about 3 running sessions per week. I was doing a reasonable 500 kcal reduction per day and got as lean as I ever have but started to lose muscle (still did not get shredded abs). I was doing everything I could but the food focus was so high I couldn’t take it. I just find it interesting as I was overweight most of my life including childhood, but can never really seem to get to shredded abs no matter how hard I try. Which I now have come to terms with lol
This seems pretty odd provided there was enough protein, sleep, stress management and the training stimulus (proximity to failure, total volume, intensity as in % of 1RM) was sufficient.
could be due to training age (total muscle mass may not have been enough) and just the cut, cuts eat into muscle directly and also deplete muscle glycogen so osmotic pull going into them -> less water in the muscle and thus less fuller
@@DJcs187it could likely be the stress and lack of sleep (our first child was almost one). I was doing similar volume throughout but probably not enough (was training for half marathon but still doing hypertrophy work). It was just odd how it seemed like I started losing fair amount of muscle at certain point. I wonder if it could be from glycogen but it seemed like to too a while to rebound
I mean, training for a half marathon, having a newborn/toddler and training hard in a deficit seems like the perfect way to lose muscle.@@wesrobinson7506
I find I’m in similar situation, I thought Ive finally dieted down to 15% bf but turns outs I’ve dieted down to 19%, I underestimated my bodyfat at start of my cut but it’s just annoying, knowing that I’ve got a lot more pounds to lose before I can see my abs, and I’ve been dieting for 5-6months, and I find It really hard to control my hunger especially I’ve got bad BED in the past and still kinda got it, but I’ve feel since this cut my hormones have gotten worse, u was bulking before this and did feel better and hunger wasn’t on my mind but I don’t wanna get too fluffy again, I’ve lost 17lbs, sleep is averaging 7hrs, I don’t I just can’t stop thinking about food, but I still wanna get leaner 😢
Poppycock. There are* no behavioral* equilibriums. Only arbitrary changes in terminology to make oneself feel smarter while simultaneously letting everyone know that you don’t particularly like people who are on the chunky side of “kinda chunky kinda hunky”.
People move as little as possible, eat enormous energy dense food portions, don’t get quality sleep, live stressful lives. Government: It’s all genetic, go back to sleep. Try these pharmaceuticals, they are your only hope 😉
On RUclips the best places are the least crowded ones. Fantastic content, thank you!
I think one of the most interesting comments Eric made is that our lower intervention point is probably much lower than we believe it is. I also love the information about prey animals defending their upper set point as vigorously as their lower set point. That could be applied through sports/performance psychology.
Great content. Coming over from the RP channel I often find it challenging to find any bodybuilding content that spikes my interest but I’m really loving these prolonged discussions on a variety of topics. ❤
Brilliant conversation 👏
Excellent podcast! Just catching up on this now and it was so good
Anyone have a link to the study on the Amish hooked up with the Pedometer? That sounds like an interesting read.
46:36 what is exercise energy compensation, please?
I think 43:16 is a the explanation
Low battery mode exercise burns less calories 😂
Great podcast
very very interesting video!🤩
my feelings is that your genetics dictates your lower bodyfat percentage. that does not mean you cannot go below this percentage and live there… but means that your body will always try to combat this state and push you to regain weight and fat. Basically: you can live below your genetic set point, but it will be a never ending struggle with your body.
My feeling is that i’m doing just that. I lost a fair amount of weight around 3 years ago, i’m now at i think 12/15% body fat (from a previous 28/30%), but i’m constantly hungry, not a lot of energy throughout the day… and definitely not able to put on muscle altough reeeeally pushing in my resistance training.
And another opinion i can add on this is: your genetics is so determinant that hormones can help you with this… but at the end, genetic is more important than hormones. What said above stays true even when you add exogenous testosterone and growth hormone to the scene: still your genetic want you at that body threshold and will fight to get you there!!
😉😉
Very informative conversation. Much appreciated, guys! I have a long, long way to go to get lean. I'd like to get as close to 15% body fat as I can. I realize it may well not be sustainable for me. I suppose it's something you don't know until you get close. That's why I'm not married to an exact number.
My main takeaway from this podcast is that my soul is damned for doing sets of 7 😢
Bravo to Eric for always being able to bring the history! Forever fascinated and brings me into deeper purpose in my craft, as well. 🙏🏻✨️🤍
Didnt they conclusive show its not a thing?
in this episode i became aware that dr. eric helms is aware of “777” and now wondering if he’s a closeted occultist 😂
Dr. Helms and Brian, have you seen anyone get close or at their low range of body fat and then start to have almost pure muscle atrophy while body fat remained the same ?
This happened to me a few years ago when I was going on a longer 5-6 month cut, doing 2-3 sessions of lifting and about 3 running sessions per week. I was doing a reasonable 500 kcal reduction per day and got as lean as I ever have but started to lose muscle (still did not get shredded abs). I was doing everything I could but the food focus was so high I couldn’t take it.
I just find it interesting as I was overweight most of my life including childhood, but can never really seem to get to shredded abs no matter how hard I try. Which I now have come to terms with lol
This seems pretty odd provided there was enough protein, sleep, stress management and the training stimulus (proximity to failure, total volume, intensity as in % of 1RM) was sufficient.
could be due to training age (total muscle mass may not have been enough) and just the cut, cuts eat into muscle directly and also deplete muscle glycogen so osmotic pull going into them -> less water in the muscle and thus less fuller
@@DJcs187it could likely be the stress and lack of sleep (our first child was almost one). I was doing similar volume throughout but probably not enough (was training for half marathon but still doing hypertrophy work). It was just odd how it seemed like I started losing fair amount of muscle at certain point. I wonder if it could be from glycogen but it seemed like to too a while to rebound
I mean, training for a half marathon, having a newborn/toddler and training hard in a deficit seems like the perfect way to lose muscle.@@wesrobinson7506
I find I’m in similar situation, I thought Ive finally dieted down to 15% bf but turns outs I’ve dieted down to 19%, I underestimated my bodyfat at start of my cut but it’s just annoying, knowing that I’ve got a lot more pounds to lose before I can see my abs, and I’ve been dieting for 5-6months, and I find It really hard to control my hunger especially I’ve got bad BED in the past and still kinda got it, but I’ve feel since this cut my hormones have gotten worse, u was bulking before this and did feel better and hunger wasn’t on my mind but I don’t wanna get too fluffy again, I’ve lost 17lbs, sleep is averaging 7hrs, I don’t I just can’t stop thinking about food, but I still wanna get leaner 😢
Very interesting. Almost stopped listening, in disgust, when you got the journal name wrong though. SMDH
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Second!
Nonsense
There is no body fat set points.
Only behavioural equilibriums.
they talk about behavioral changes. behavior is one part of the issue. it's multifaceted
Poppycock. There are* no behavioral* equilibriums. Only arbitrary changes in terminology to make oneself feel smarter while simultaneously letting everyone know that you don’t particularly like people who are on the chunky side of “kinda chunky kinda hunky”.
No chance this guy listened to the podcast.
People move as little as possible, eat enormous energy dense food portions, don’t get quality sleep, live stressful lives.
Government: It’s all genetic, go back to sleep. Try these pharmaceuticals, they are your only hope 😉
And get bariatric surgery which mostly does not work due to overwhelming behavioral issues