Dodge Grand Caravan P0480 P0693, P0692, P0691(Fixing Problems to Find the Original Problem)

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  • Опубликовано: 7 янв 2025

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  • @wyattoneable
    @wyattoneable 4 года назад +4

    Cool, I like the new intro. Trouble shooting two independent issues can be confusing. Thank you for bringing us along for this one, it was interesting.

  • @edgarmaldonado2280
    @edgarmaldonado2280 4 года назад +26

    If Joe was a scam artist, he would be telling customer's they need this and that, but he doesn't. He gets straight to the problem and doesn't try to BS a customer through the whole ordeal. Very honest and passionate about his work. If he's not a true PROFESSIONAL, then I don't know who is.

    • @bryanwilliams337
      @bryanwilliams337 4 года назад +3

      I agree! If it's not broke he won't fix it. If it's broke he will! And it will be right when it leaves his shop!!

    • @edgarmaldonado2280
      @edgarmaldonado2280 4 года назад +2

      @@bryanwilliams337 EXACTLY!!! I haven't bumped into a mechanic like him that i could say i trust, NEVER!!!

    • @JoesAutoElectric
      @JoesAutoElectric  4 года назад +5

      @Edgar Maldonado, thanks for the kind words man. I try my best.

    • @michaelwitmer7536
      @michaelwitmer7536 4 года назад

      @@JoesAutoElectric I too, am the guy people bring cars to, as a "last resort". Just like you, I first have to straighten out all of the problems created during the initial attempted repair. Only then can we find the origin of the primary concern. Some days, I wish the used car dealers would lose my number. Keep up the great work. I'm not sure I would ever be able to film and deal with obscure problems. Kudos to you for your patients.

  • @JJ-iw7nh
    @JJ-iw7nh 4 года назад +7

    I love your thought process and proper use of wiring diagrams. I feel like I'm getting more comfortable doing these things after watching your videos. Excellent teacher. Thank you so much. Hope the family is well.

  • @DependableAutoTruck
    @DependableAutoTruck 4 года назад +5

    i own a small shop in southeast alabama we do have a few shops in the area that take advantage of customers which makes it hard for the rest. but people are learning where NOT to take their automobiles. but enjoy your content and the way you explain have learned some good tips from you.

    • @JoesAutoElectric
      @JoesAutoElectric  4 года назад +5

      Thanks so much. My thinking is do the right thing, even when no one is looking.

  • @VWWRENCHIE
    @VWWRENCHIE 4 года назад +9

    When people find a good diagnostician like you Joe,
    they should always TIPM.Sorry to hear the allergies are tormenting you.😎

  • @billyyoder8171
    @billyyoder8171 4 года назад +4

    Thank you Joe. Good job again buddy. TIPM, one of the top revenue generators over the past 10 years. Have a blessed and safe week to you and your family.

  • @ablackformula
    @ablackformula 4 года назад +5

    Anthem of the seas! Love it. And that stinks, a false code in the tipm telling the ecm to set the check engine light. All resulting in a customer that can't get an inspection sticker because of a circuit that works!

  • @rret6885
    @rret6885 4 года назад +7

    Let us know what happens with a new TIPM. Thx

  • @DependableAutoTruck
    @DependableAutoTruck 4 года назад +1

    one thing i really like about your videos is that the sound is stabilized most when the music comes on it blows your ears out. most of the time i listen with headphones you do a good job. like the way you explain step by step and don't edit out if you make a mistake

  • @luisbaez88
    @luisbaez88 4 года назад +4

    Typical Chrysler TIPM problem. I call a bad TIPM in 2011 town and country because randomly car wont star just click. The dealer here in Las Vegas, Nevada called Chapman Dodge sold to the owner a new battery, alternator and WIN module before they give up and got to me. I did same test as you did. Same principal the starter relay is external but the control is integrated. Not much it can't be done. $400 plus new TIPM. It took me 45 min make the car act up to get the evidences. But that's why we test and not guess.

  • @frugalprepper
    @frugalprepper 4 года назад +3

    Is it worth checking powers and grounds to the TIPM before making the call. I am just thinking I have seen some weird stuff where one set of powers or grounds is in charge of measuring the voltage on a control circuit and another set is in charge of the actual control.

    • @JoesAutoElectric
      @JoesAutoElectric  4 года назад

      Always check powers and ground before condemning yes.

  • @htwrk2
    @htwrk2 4 года назад +2

    Hi Joe
    Excellent diagnostic channel. Maybe you have already worked on one of these modified vans. If you think Chrysler vans and their TIPM issues are fun wait until you work on one that has a lowered floor conversion with a powered ramp in the passenger sliding door. These are modified for people with disabilities. The floor from the dashboard to infront of the rear tires is removed and a deeper floor pan is installed. There are troughs for the wiring to run through from front to rear and the problems begin. The harness is cut open and separated to a left and a right harness. Sometimes when they cut open the harness they slice too deep and cut the insulation on the wires. Sometimes they don't clean out the weld splatter in the troughs. Some wires that are modified especially in the B pillars they use non heat shrink butt connectors and this is in air bag circuits. The floor has 1/2 inch non marine plywood with either carpet or vinyl flooring. Water gets in there all the time. Tons of can bus issues. These lowered floor conversions are also done with Sienna's and Odyssey's. Remember the full size conversion vans with their nice woodwork and plush carpeting? Then you look behind the wall panels at the wiring? This is worse.

    • @JoesAutoElectric
      @JoesAutoElectric  4 года назад +1

      @Bill Cushing, that is very good information. Thank you. I have only worked on a handful of those type of conversions..and I am not complaining lol

  • @fmbfla
    @fmbfla 4 года назад +3

    Good one Joe..
    Dodge is known for the tipm probs.
    Last week I had a jeep GC with crazy stuff like all the lights flashing on the cluster and wipers running willy.
    And when you shut it off I had no start no com...Push start(remove button use key) only modules not related to primary bus were available. Schema shows the mods affected. Dew in the headlamp showed me the way.
    Frigin Headlight module on the pass side had condensation in it and water permeated into the connector and the forward controled can bus went wonky confusing the tipm and threw one code only for tipm bus failure.....could have been costly both are over $1K make sure you check everything before calling it.
    Fing HID auto levelers.

    • @JoesAutoElectric
      @JoesAutoElectric  4 года назад +1

      Wow man! What a great find!!!

    • @fmbfla
      @fmbfla 4 года назад +2

      @@JoesAutoElectric and a big WHEW.

  • @brettsavage1396
    @brettsavage1396 3 года назад +1

    Hello, Having the same problem 20122 Grand Caravan. What are you calling the "Tempem" or something like that that you concluded was the part at fault. I didn't have all the fancy scanner you had but by grounding the low speed relay with the relay installed I could operate the fan on low. Same with the high speed relay but that takes grounding the signal wire and power to the other small wire That power should come through the 10A fuse 34 that you mentioned. Mine has no power on fuse 34 which should get it's power from J2 one of the big square relays. Mine has no power going through the J2 relay. That is as far as I have traced mine so far. If I hot wire the relay then the power flows. However the fusible link 16 gage that it temporally replacing the 60AMP Fan fuse gets pretty hot and that is where this whole problem started or al least when I knew about it when I blew that 60 AMP fuse. Those fuses aren't cheap hence the temporary wire. I have to admit that I don't know what size wire one should use to equal a 60 AMP breaker. Probably bigger that 16 gage so maybe getting hot may be just because the wire is too small but I do suspect a problem on that circuit somewhere and don't want to go through 60 AMP fuses like you were going through those 10 AMP fuses. I would think it would take a lot to blow a 60 AMP fuse.
    Any Ideas? Brett

    • @VASYL198
      @VASYL198 Год назад

      Do you fix your problem?

  • @jamespn
    @jamespn 4 года назад +2

    Great diagnosis, looking forward to a follow up to see how it runs after a new TIPM is installed. Ivan did 2 limp home mode videos on a PT Cruiser where he employed some Russian engineering and by passed the TIPM to correct his issue.

  • @fsdtdot361
    @fsdtdot361 3 года назад

    Wow best video ... today 2012 caravan fan only turns on high speed.... I changed the resistor and the same relay you pointed at and tomorrow I was thinking of changing the fan

    • @Veropiero
      @Veropiero 8 месяцев назад +1

      Did that solve the fan issue?

  • @charlesfiore7835
    @charlesfiore7835 4 года назад +3

    Love the new intro!!! Perfect!

    • @TonyRule
      @TonyRule 4 года назад +2

      Yes, very good!

  • @gkz871
    @gkz871 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you Joe for this work, my 2012 VW Routan has the same error code: P0480 P0693, P0692, P0691, according the circuit diagram, test the fan working connection like this:
    By pass the Fan Low Speed relay at 30,87(short 30,87 in K11 Relay), the Fan works at 8A current
    By pass the Fan High speed relay at 3,5 (short Fan High speed relay at 3,5), the Fan works fast at 30A current
    Check two relay are good situation, switch can be active with 9V power source, and the switch can be turn on.
    So all these parts are good: 2 Relay, fuse J19, fuse M34, Fan resistor, Fan, and all this part cable
    The cable Fuse j19 to K11 relay 85 is connection.
    The only can be problem is K11 86 cable and the "circuit board", but this part can't be diagnose like you said
    Could you find some thing about the "circuit board" in your circuit diagram?
    Thanks

  • @arthurfricchione8119
    @arthurfricchione8119 4 года назад

    Joe like how you explain the wiring schematic. Nice and clear and I feel I'm getting much better at doing so thanks to your detailed explanations. Now on to part 2 I believe ☹️

  • @nicholasmitzel4784
    @nicholasmitzel4784 3 года назад

    Very helpful video. It helped me figure out my problem, which was the radiator fan resistor.

  • @ernestofigueroa5894
    @ernestofigueroa5894 4 года назад +2

    you are a really professional teach

  • @kellysteel3011
    @kellysteel3011 2 года назад

    My 2005 Dodge Grand caravan is saying fan speed control circuit I've had the fans changed there new the main relay new and the cold temperature gauge in the motor change what is the fan speed control circuit and where is it and what does it look like?

  • @slayerrules70
    @slayerrules70 4 года назад +1

    Good video,Joe. Another TIPM bites the dust! Imagine that,lol. Way to go Chrysler!!!

  • @boubaros
    @boubaros 4 года назад

    G'day Joe...your videos are getting better and better. Although I would wait until the new TIPM is installed. I do not like cliffhangers...lol

  • @user-jd4kp3lp9r
    @user-jd4kp3lp9r Год назад

    Working on 2013 dodge caravan have code for p0692 cooling fan 1 control circuit high stored.p0691 cooling fan 1 circuit low stored.if I activate them using scanner fans comes on.not sure what's going on

  • @thebaldmechanichardatheari1124
    @thebaldmechanichardatheari1124 4 года назад +2

    Paul Harvey the rest of the story😂. Good diagnosis. You make it look easy, should be an instructor. Stay safe 🇨🇦

  • @daveploessl4010
    @daveploessl4010 4 месяца назад

    Great video. Did the new TIPM fix the issue. My van is seeing these error codes as well. Checked the relays and both test good when given power. Replaced the resistor in the radiator and still have these codes. The TIPM already has the fuel pump aftermarket mod so I'm guessing it's causing theses issues too. Might send it in and get it repaired.

  • @moecapitolnetwork2916
    @moecapitolnetwork2916 4 года назад +1

    Any updates?

  • @trevormansfield6740
    @trevormansfield6740 4 года назад

    Good real world explanation Joe. Thanks

  • @randydelong1790
    @randydelong1790 Год назад

    You where working on a vehicle with po480 at the end you call it a tipm that had to be replaced what is a tipm?, I have replaced everything?

  • @shaunblakemore7150
    @shaunblakemore7150 4 года назад

    Great job Joe, stay safe

  • @JasonTheMunicipalMechanic
    @JasonTheMunicipalMechanic 4 года назад +1

    Got your classic used car dealer deal there. Hey it’s just a relay. Oh so the dealer knew there was a problem? Of course he did he cleared the code. He would have lost my trust right there. My brother got a used blazer from a shady dealer. It failed inspection for a coolant temp sensor. He dropped it off to him. The dealer said he took the sensor apart and it was fine. When he gave it back it had an inspection sticker with a month that was already two months old. 🚩 and the light came back on while driving home.

  • @bustedknuckle3808
    @bustedknuckle3808 4 года назад +1

    my nissan needs a diagnostic..... .. what is it going to take to get you to road trip over here to Asheville north carolina??

    • @JoesAutoElectric
      @JoesAutoElectric  4 года назад +1

      LOL If I come to NC, I am not coming back to dirty jersey.

  • @mikefedele4521
    @mikefedele4521 4 года назад +2

    The idea of putting basically a computer in a salt latene environment.... Genius. The guy that put a weather pack relay under the hood.... Most likely sent to the nigeria branch... Makes you wonder... Cool find

  • @hddm3
    @hddm3 4 года назад

    Another one fixed my brother. Sweet. Thank you

  • @treborhi
    @treborhi 3 года назад

    so, did the new TIPM sole the problem?

  • @ClassicBMWFanInQuebec
    @ClassicBMWFanInQuebec 4 года назад

    Great video thanks for sharing.
    Is the radiator fan resistor the same kind of thing as a blower fan resistor? Except a blower fan would have more "steps"?

    • @JoesAutoElectric
      @JoesAutoElectric  4 года назад +2

      More or less, it is simply 12v in and limits voltage out.

  • @josephwash109
    @josephwash109 4 года назад +2

    I can't believe they substituted a turn signal/hazard flasher for a relay. When it blew the 10 amp fuse, that tells me the driver in the TIPM was getting that 10 amp surge before the fuse blew. I honestly can't believe the low-speed driver didn't fail with that abuse. With that logic, maybe the high-speed driver is OK and it's just internal corrosion that caused the TIPM failure.

    • @JoesAutoElectric
      @JoesAutoElectric  4 года назад +3

      Actually the relay was for an led lighting setup lol. But i digress. The truth is, the TIPM may have beent he root cause all along, and they added to the problems.

  • @slimshady23brar
    @slimshady23brar 4 года назад +1

    Hi joe. Great information in the video. Just wondering why you didnt test the relay for correct resistance on the coil side (usually between 55-75ohms)and for good continuity between control circuit. Otherwise great video, learned something new as i work on big trucks and dint know that the cooling fan had two side control whereas on heavy duty trucks it is either on or off through air fan solenoid controlled by temp through engine ecm

    • @JoesAutoElectric
      @JoesAutoElectric  4 года назад +1

      The relay they used is not for this type of application, no need to test it at that point. It's simply incorrect.

    • @JoesAutoElectric
      @JoesAutoElectric  4 года назад +1

      Dealer level info is available, however, it is not going to change the call in this case.

    • @slimshady23brar
      @slimshady23brar 4 года назад

      Great diag as always

  • @jasonalbright1568
    @jasonalbright1568 4 года назад +1

    Hey Joe. Ive been watching your channel for a little while and I Love it. Im pretty good at the wrenching part of but really want to get into the diagnosis side of it. What scan tool would you recomend? Thanks.

    • @JoesAutoElectric
      @JoesAutoElectric  4 года назад +4

      First, thanks for the support. As for scan tools...It depends what vehicle you work on most of the time. Autel Ultra appears to be pretty good from what I hear, although they won't send one to me lol. I use autel 908 elite, Bosch ADS 625, Launch Diagun4, and some others...but the truth is, you will not find a single scan tool that does everything that you need. If you can only get one, the Ultra may be a good choice.

    • @jasonalbright1568
      @jasonalbright1568 4 года назад +2

      @@JoesAutoElectric You are more than welcome. Yeah I see you use the Bosch a good bit. I also watch South Main Auto and I think Eric thinks a good bit of the Autel scanners. The Ultra may be my first scanner. Thanks Joe I greatly appreciate your input. I look forward to your next video. Thanks again and take care.

  • @stevenkietzke5582
    @stevenkietzke5582 4 года назад

    Question, would putting the wrong relay in cause an issue with the module?
    Thank you your time

    • @JoesAutoElectric
      @JoesAutoElectric  4 года назад +1

      Being that the same internal circuit board controls both fan speeds, that is a fantastic question. I also thought of that. Problem is, I did not have the vehicle before they touched it, so I probably will never know.

    • @Discretesignals
      @Discretesignals 4 года назад

      It blew the control side fuse, so the lighting relay was acting as a direct short. Same as jumpering a wire and turning the driver on. Most drivers have short protection, but there is no way to know if it will damage it.

  • @randy1ization
    @randy1ization 4 года назад

    so the fan relay circuit is ground side switched on and off thru the TIPM, or ground circuit completed thru the TIPM?

    • @JoesAutoElectric
      @JoesAutoElectric  4 года назад

      Tipm grounds the relay for either high or low speed.

    • @randy1ization
      @randy1ization 4 года назад

      i wonder if the ground wires integrity is solid,. maybe a green booger where the molex plug connects to the circuit board, also if there is a slave relay on the tipm that feeds the duty relay that is bad.. I read abt the fuel pump relays getting stuck ON on some chryslers and the result is a drained battery, (this is not your case though).. chrysler even has a relay kit out to bypass the failed relay it is so common.

    • @randy1ization
      @randy1ization 4 года назад

      @@JoesAutoElectric so its not choked down thru a resistor or shunted thru a diode? they are both stand alone relays and circuits but controlled by the tipm .. I think I understand..

    • @randy1ization
      @randy1ization 4 года назад

      ps.. thanks for making the vids, I have a 2017 chrysler grand paydaman, (caravan), so im watching the shit that goes bad on them.. ha

  • @ralfsautomotive
    @ralfsautomotive 4 года назад +1

    HAHA 3 minutes in I had to laugh I also just got the Ditex Sim. about a month ago. Just have not used it yet.

  • @hpelisr
    @hpelisr 4 года назад

    Great work, I learn right along with you.

  • @steveedwards1072
    @steveedwards1072 4 года назад +2

    Like the new intro. Peace

  • @billrimmer5596
    @billrimmer5596 4 года назад

    Where did u get the Tipm? Do u sometimes go used? I had an 04 Caravan and went used. It was a transmission problem. And the used Tipm fixed it.

  • @patrickmorrissey2271
    @patrickmorrissey2271 4 года назад +7

    "Can't be that easy...."
    (viewer see that there is 17 minutes left in the video)
    Yeah, I guess not.....

  • @mikesabin8568
    @mikesabin8568 4 года назад

    Awesome video as usual joe.
    Does the tipm need programming? Ive heard some do and some dont

  • @jamesu
    @jamesu 4 года назад

    Thanks for the video Joe

  • @moparnut6286
    @moparnut6286 4 года назад

    Love the new intro!..... Dodge keeps coming up with all the great hits...... Mother Mopar....its time to to go.

  • @Ken-wu6hr
    @Ken-wu6hr 4 года назад +2

    I'm Not The only one That Can't Read The Fuse Box Lids?

  • @liviu2004
    @liviu2004 4 года назад +1

    If I got this right, transistor grounding of the relay coil, inside tipm is fine, but the voltage detection circuit on that wire is messed up and shorted to positive. And that info is sent on canbus to ecm. I would put a gateway in between and filter out that can ID. 😂 just joking ....

  • @brownsfan4692
    @brownsfan4692 4 года назад

    Not trying to be a dick. I watch a lot of your videos and have learned some things from you. But as a non smoker I would be very mad if I saw my car in a shop with Windows down or doors open and someone working on it is smoking right by it in a enclosed shop. Maybe if it was outside. You may not think it will smell when the customer gets it back but trust me it will. Again not trying to be negative. I own a shop and have employees who smoke. But they go away from the building and never near a customer car. I even make sure they didn't just put one out before pulling out a car. Because the car will then smell like smoke. I really enjoy watching other techs diagnostic approach and you are awesome at what you do. Just giving you a tip that maybe helps you. Because i do know people who would walk out of a your shop because they saw you smoking inside the business. Hell its illegal here to smoke inside a business.

  • @lonwillis783
    @lonwillis783 4 года назад +1

    Crickets Crickets Crickets 😳 Thanks Joe! I know you prefer Chrysler products..

  • @SuperJoes70
    @SuperJoes70 4 года назад +1

    ThankS Joe yeah Mopar PINTA would you do a video on Tipum"s please let me know the out come eaiser here to get the answer I forget to check the community channel

  • @billziegmond4943
    @billziegmond4943 4 года назад +1

    Dodge with a TIPM wow what a surprise! LOL

  • @Ram2253spd
    @Ram2253spd 4 года назад +1

    Chrysler with a TIPM issue? I don’t believe you 🤣🤣

  • @kenmoore800
    @kenmoore800 4 года назад

    That relay looked like an old school turn signal flasher, labeled for 2-6 bulbs

  • @unclechaz8426
    @unclechaz8426 4 года назад +1

    Been there, Done that. Everyday I am so so so glad to be retired. 😱😱😱😱😱😱

  • @drewdevon2009
    @drewdevon2009 28 дней назад

    i just put 4 tires on a 2018 grand caravan with 400K miles on it original everything

  • @xnotx2
    @xnotx2 4 года назад

    20:33 You need some Burger King lol

  • @neilmurphy845
    @neilmurphy845 4 года назад

    Let me guess another classic of replacing the good parts with bad parts and not fixing the issue

  • @neilmurphy845
    @neilmurphy845 4 года назад

    I love how they call it high-speed can but then it takes another 20,30 minutes to do anything

  • @jcortes3930
    @jcortes3930 4 года назад +1

    Man they fired a fan assembly for no reason

  • @tarasb.ukrainian1947
    @tarasb.ukrainian1947 4 года назад +1

    👍👍

  • @neilmurphy845
    @neilmurphy845 4 года назад

    Knew it anything with a TIPM you should probably just get that rebuild first

  • @caduceus33
    @caduceus33 4 года назад +1

    These people need to learn to see Joe first, not second or third!

  • @billyr9840
    @billyr9840 4 года назад

    Nice !

  • @atticstattic
    @atticstattic 4 года назад +1

    You're really going to have to work, "now, for my next trick..." Into a video, somewhere....

  • @scottburke4800
    @scottburke4800 4 года назад +2

    Customer mistake number 1, they bought a Chrysler/Dodge/FCA product. Mistake number 2, they didn’t take it to you in the first place.

  • @TheGb50
    @TheGb50 4 года назад

    TIPM very common with dodge

  • @makenzieburnette1582
    @makenzieburnette1582 6 месяцев назад

    We need some new content

  • @scottfirman
    @scottfirman 4 года назад

    The problem is the damn computers and the damn programs they put in them. The tolerances they program in that sets the codes and check engine light can be too nominal. It doesn't matter if the fan operates as intended, what matters is what the computer sees as what is acceptable. I wonder if a resistor would lower the value enough to prevent the code from appearing. I say look outside the box if thats what it takes. Most garages go by the book and thats it. If installing something in the line to regulate the values so it satisfys the computer, who cares? Thank goodness in Michigan we do not have inspections. I wonder how many decent vehicles are scrapped just because the computer threw a code that didn't really affect vehicle performance, yet state laws dictate the vehicle has to pass inspection or it gets scrapped, over some stupid value written by some idiot sitting behind a computer.

  • @sd90mac61
    @sd90mac61 4 года назад

    All these makes AND models of cars n trucks from mid 1980s to the present are the shittest piece of machines (junk) we got now adays, and to make matters worse these damn computers are jus ruining it for everyone, with relays, sensors, FUEL INJECTORS, electric radiator gas, (fuel pumps in the tank,) ECT, GOOD GRIEF, jus STUPID, stupid, STUPID, light comes on, mechanic checks it, and codes are defined as to what is SUPPOSE to be the problem, (wrong), (bad) parts are replaced, engine light turns (back) on😭😭 you've spent money on this and that and it still on, and it's NOT THE MECHANICS FAULT!!! ITS ALL THE AUTOMAKERS FAULT, ALL THEY WANT YOU TO DO IS SPEND 💰, I will never buy another vehicle THAT'S FROM 1981 or over I've had it with these junkers,😭 I've got a new truck, got problems already with at 20,000 miles my cousin also new VEHICLES THEY GOT problems with them too. I WILL STICK TO MY 1958 EDSELS, MERCURYS, VICTORIAS, 1970/ 1976/1977/ F-100 PICKUP TRUCKS.!!! THESE CARS MANUFACTURES, NOWADAYS CAN GO TO H***!!!!!!! THANKS FOR SHARING THIS WITH ME 👍