Thank you for documenting the capabilities of this turbo. One good thing to add is that this isn’t a hybrid fellas which “generally” means better reliability.
APR parts are generally pretty good. For me the sweet spot is still the pmax simply due to its response for a street or autox car. This is not a bad option but as you saw custom tuning makes a big difference in the outcome.
Another great comparison. That 6054 looks to be the next logical step if the Pmax 1 isn’t quite enough for you. There is something rather familiar with the comparison S3’s dyno plot. 😀 I can’t wait to see what you’ve come up with for the LPFP upgrade. Anything is better than the kit I installed. Ha.
@@JordieG8 Show me a turbo on this platform that hasn't had any failures. Oh right, there aren't. You either get one that works or you don't. Plenty of failed Pmax's and DTR's out there. None are any more reliable than the next.
Thank you thank you thank you for showing a comparison to the pmax. Alot of people scratch their head why i went with the pmax and one, your video on it sealed the deal and two, i autcross the car once a month and low-end response was KEY as autocross is usually wot in 2nd gear. Do you do remote tuning? I think i see my future with an mpi/lpfp and a custom tune by you
@@stratifiedautowhat would yall call the limit on the stock internals. I ask because I thought stock rods don’t like 400wtq or more. While others say it’s 430wtq. And I’ve even read talks about 380wtq being the limit. Considering your opinion holds weight due to your vocation and knowledge, what do yall think?
Hello I want to know I want to know which one is bigger, Garrett or APR? My car is Audi S3 8V Hardware APR INTERCOOLER APR EVO4 intake 89-76 200cell downpipe APR EXHAUST APR LPFP APR HPFP I want 400-450WHP Which turbo is the best choose.
For that power level the pmax stage 1 here is what I recommend. www.stratifiedauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=332_240_256&products_id=1055
i had the dtr6054 von my gti with the APR tune but i dont like the power from 4000rpm to 7200rpm do u recomend the PMAX i want to feel the power on low rpm like the is38
Definitely the PMAX is the answer then. Is38 response but more power. We have this turbo on our development cars and really like it. Let me know if we can help you with the turbo or tuning.
Has anyone ever swapped an MQB model engine into a non MQB Passat? I am kinda pissed off that you can't do basically anything to Passats because all of the tunes and most of the hardware are for MQB cars.
S3 has a better flowing head and more aggressive exhaust cam no? Also, why would what happens from 0-4500 rpm even matter. During competitive driving, what matters most should be from 4500- redline no? As a previous va Wrx owner and knowing that we all avoided that g22. I’d rather vortex over the pmax myself. That g22 is basically a hybrid va Wrx turbo 🤮
I can assure you the pmax on the ea888 behaves very differently than on a WRX and has a power potential of an additional 80whp vs what a WRX would make. Also the reason response matters especially for street cars is because we are most often in a situation when we want to build boost vs shifting from a high rpm back into boost such as when on track on a straightaway. Finally we are working on offering a turbo with some more top end than the pmax while maintaining as much response as possible.
@@stratifiedautoany chance you’d offer an off the shelf dtr6054 tune for those of us that would want a dp? The Apr tune doesn’t like it when the dtr spools a little quicker (due to the gesi cat) Thnx for the reply!
@@stratifiedautoI second SheekTresSesenta's comment. There's a massive demand for downpipe support from those of us with APR's DTR6054. I think that if you brought forth an off-the-shelf map for us, it'd be great.
@@stratifiedauto how does a closed deck iron block keep factory rods from bending? oh, wait, you're just making up numbers and pretending the block is the issue when pushing 100+ ft-lbs/cylinder.
Who the F buys a whole APR turbo kit, and doesn't buy an exhaust???? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me. This had to be done by a 17 year old kid.
Thank you for documenting the capabilities of this turbo. One good thing to add is that this isn’t a hybrid fellas which “generally” means better reliability.
APR parts are generally pretty good. For me the sweet spot is still the pmax simply due to its response for a street or autox car. This is not a bad option but as you saw custom tuning makes a big difference in the outcome.
Great video...can't wait to get my mk7.5 with the DTR stage 3 kit on a custom tune!
Once dialed in it’s a blast
@@stratifiedauto can't wait! Thanks for the info!!
Where are you guys located?
Vancouver Canada but we remote tune worldwide.
@@stratifiedauto that's great is there a website!?
Another great comparison. That 6054 looks to be the next logical step if the Pmax 1 isn’t quite enough for you. There is something rather familiar with the comparison S3’s dyno plot. 😀
I can’t wait to see what you’ve come up with for the LPFP upgrade. Anything is better than the kit I installed. Ha.
Mamba 2867 sauces both of these and is cheaper too.
@@dirk5950 Yeup, until it blows up.
We are hard at work on a number of key upgrades for this platform. This turbo (dtr6054) is basically a G25-550
@@stratifiedauto looking forward to seeing what you’ve come up with.
@@JordieG8 Show me a turbo on this platform that hasn't had any failures. Oh right, there aren't. You either get one that works or you don't. Plenty of failed Pmax's and DTR's out there. None are any more reliable than the next.
Thank you thank you thank you for showing a comparison to the pmax. Alot of people scratch their head why i went with the pmax and one, your video on it sealed the deal and two, i autcross the car once a month and low-end response was KEY as autocross is usually wot in 2nd gear. Do you do remote tuning? I think i see my future with an mpi/lpfp and a custom tune by you
Absolutely we do. Here’s a link to our site. www.stratifiedauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=332_240_254&products_id=560
Id like to see you guys add the TPC20 to this mix! ❤
When we get one in on our dyno we will.
Were all those DTR curves with factory downpipe?
It has a turboback exhaust.
that engine must be very close to the limit there with it at 455 and 4k
If taken care of it will live a long and happy life.
@@stratifiedautowhat would yall call the limit on the stock internals. I ask because I thought stock rods don’t like 400wtq or more. While others say it’s 430wtq. And I’ve even read talks about 380wtq being the limit. Considering your opinion holds weight due to your vocation and knowledge, what do yall think?
What clutch is the car on ?
Hello I want to know I want to know which one is bigger, Garrett or APR?
My car is Audi S3 8V
Hardware
APR INTERCOOLER
APR EVO4 intake
89-76 200cell downpipe
APR EXHAUST
APR LPFP
APR HPFP
I want 400-450WHP Which turbo is the best choose.
For that power level the pmax stage 1 here is what I recommend. www.stratifiedauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=332_240_256&products_id=1055
Watching this after dynoing my DTR6054 car and not getting peak torque until 5200rpm... I have to have some sort of an issue.
It should spool earlier than that if the tune and wastegate are setup correctly. Let me know if we can help. Www.stratifiedauto.com
Good job how mad boost this (dtr6054) turbos ?
It will make 30-32psi
How much psi was the dtr seeing when it reached that 520? im considering this setup for my s3
It was around 31psi. We will have a turbo out shortly that will be in a similar ballpark power wise.
It remains reliable to do a stage 3 in a 7.5 gti with 90k miles? I want to do in my
Yes lots of cars including our dev car at that mileage and power level.
i had the dtr6054 von my gti with the APR tune but i dont like the power from 4000rpm to 7200rpm do u recomend the PMAX i want to feel the power on low rpm like the is38
Definitely the PMAX is the answer then. Is38 response but more power. We have this turbo on our development cars and really like it. Let me know if we can help you with the turbo or tuning.
@@stratifiedauto can u guys make tune for cobb?
Absolutely. This is the device we use the most. www.stratifiedauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=332_240_254&products_id=560
Has anyone ever swapped an MQB model engine into a non MQB Passat?
I am kinda pissed off that you can't do basically anything to Passats because all of the tunes and most of the hardware are for MQB cars.
The VW cars are like legos but they have a lot of different ECUs. This is where having a well supported ECU is important.
S3 has a better flowing head and more aggressive exhaust cam no?
Also, why would what happens from 0-4500 rpm even matter. During competitive driving, what matters most should be from 4500- redline no?
As a previous va Wrx owner and knowing that we all avoided that g22. I’d rather vortex over the pmax myself. That g22 is basically a hybrid va Wrx turbo 🤮
I can assure you the pmax on the ea888 behaves very differently than on a WRX and has a power potential of an additional 80whp vs what a WRX would make.
Also the reason response matters especially for street cars is because we are most often in a situation when we want to build boost vs shifting from a high rpm back into boost such as when on track on a straightaway.
Finally we are working on offering a turbo with some more top end than the pmax while maintaining as much response as possible.
@@stratifiedautoany chance you’d offer an off the shelf dtr6054 tune for those of us that would want a dp? The Apr tune doesn’t like it when the dtr spools a little quicker (due to the gesi cat)
Thnx for the reply!
@@stratifiedautoI second SheekTresSesenta's comment. There's a massive demand for downpipe support from those of us with APR's DTR6054. I think that if you brought forth an off-the-shelf map for us, it'd be great.
I think your dynojet numbers are a little... generous. 520+ ft-lbs on a stock motor? come on.
Closed deck iron blocks. They are strong.
@@stratifiedauto screenshotting this in case people ever think you know what you're doing again.
I hope you show it lots as it is true.
@@stratifiedauto how does a closed deck iron block keep factory rods from bending?
oh, wait, you're just making up numbers and pretending the block is the issue when pushing 100+ ft-lbs/cylinder.
Who the F buys a whole APR turbo kit, and doesn't buy an exhaust????
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me. This had to be done by a 17 year old kid.