Pep managed Barca B and got them promoted before he got the Barca job. Also, if these top jobs are so easy, why do other managers not achieve the same level of success?
Fella Barca b team play in a professional league . Think it’s like the 3rd division he won . Barca obviously are able to accumulate the best young talent around the world💸 so it’s them coming up against the equivalent of Rochdale and Macclesfield of course he was going to do well. Hence the reason no one mentions that👍
No one said top jobs are easy. That is not the argument. Doing top jobs with non dominant teams is greater than doing top jobs with top teams. That is the argument.
Bro... They can't be compared because Klopp hasn't taken a winning team and had that pressure to improve it. And Pep hasn't rebuild any team from scratch and with a limited budget. Pep took a team that had won the Champions League two seasons prior. Rijkaard brought Barcelona to the spotlight, Ronaldinho, Deco, etc. Pep took them to another level Pep took a trebble winning Bayern Munich and didn't take them to another level. Pep took a City team that had won 2 titles in the last 4 seasons with two 2nd places. Pellegrini and Mancini were the ones that took City from bottom to the top. Pep went in and spent as much as those two put together... and took them to another level. Pep haven't done what Klopp did at Dortmund and at Liverpool. And Klopp hasn't done what Pep has done. Pep has improved players, yes. Klopp too. Lewandowski, Gotze, Reus, Gundogan, Hummels, etc. Mané, Salah, Firmino, Trent, Robbo... bro, come on. Besides, Klopp's Dortmund was the last team that took Bayern off their perch in Germany and won the EPL for Liverpool for the first time in 30 years. And has played 3 UCL finals in 5 years. This guy comparing Liverpool's spending with City is plain dumb. Pep has spent twice as much as Klopp since coming in.
your argument falls short because by your logic NO MANAGER CAN EVER BE COMPARED TO EACH OTHER, because they never been in exact same situations. this is rather nonsensical, YOU CAN COMPARE the 2, and Klopp is less successful and it aint about the money or any other metric you stated, Pep has been successful at every club his been, and not just successful but dominated completely, Pep is the modern era version of Alex fergy. there is no manager like Pep, and they all fall short of Pep big budget or not, Mourinho has had big budget, nowhere near Pep, Chelsea have give their managers big budgets, they get fired frequently, Man Utd have a big budget and no success, this argument of budget is null and void because we have seen, it takes more than buying expensive players to not only get at the top but stay there. another thing you forget in your argument is that Pep spends big on the RIGHT PLAYERS and do not forget it took him 2 seasons to finally get going in City, he had to tinker and fix up that City side before he dominated, so that shows you its not about money. Basically im saying you can compare Klopp to Pep same way we compare Fergie to Wenger, we compare Mourinho to everyone else. and Pep is superior to Klopp,
@@BlackOxymoron That's exactly my point: Most managers can't be compared. Most do different work. It has MORE many variables than when you compare individual players. No club has the same circumstances. You really can say that fighting relegation with limited budget and limited quality of players is less hard than fighting for the title with all the resources available? No, it's a lot of pressure and it involves different sets of skills Pep himself has said so. Bielsa is one of his mentors, and look at Bielsa's career. Most managers regard him as one of the best, yet he chooses different paths. Some managers are cut out for different roles Pep WON'T make Wolves play like City. He himself has said so, his style of play needs certain type of players. If he can't bring them in, he would have to adapt. The argument of budget isn't null. You can have a budget and fail, because of scouting and bad planning. But you can have good scouting and plans and yet fall short without budget. You can't compare Wegner and Fergie either. And more to the point. It's about building a team from scratch. Getting a team of "losers" and a club with "loser mentaility" and transform them. Pep has never done that. And i'm not attacking Pep, it's just a reality. Arteta is trying to do it, and he has spent 3 times more than Klopp in the past 4 years, yet, it is hard, players don't know how to win. Conte took a Chelsea team that knew how to win, they had won things. He spent less money at Chelsea and won. Took over Spurs and spent more and we can all see the results.
Klopp is still the last non-Bayern Munich manager to win the Bundesliga (twice in a row). Klopp brought the League title to a club that hadn't won it in the last 30 years. Klopp won the UCL title with a non league winning team while Pep hasn't done it with two league winners. Klopp pushed against a side that had much more than twice his team's budget, winning the league once and finishing just 1 point behind twice. It's true that Liverpool are sort of burnt out now, but Klopp is still my pick of the two.
Both great managers but people need to remember how bad Liverpool were when klopp took over. Not to mention what he did with Dortmund. City were winning titles before pep and they will win titles after pep. The same can’t be said about Liverpool and klopp.
@@amino2311 Same it is for Klopp with him taking Mainz from bundesliga 2 to bundesliga, dortmund from 9th in the league to winning them a league and reaching a UCL final and liverpool in 8th to all they can win. I for once would love to see Pep take a midtable team to league titles and Klopp with a team which can get the best footballers money can buy to settle this debate.
Bro relax, Rogers was in charge before Klopp who had built a team just after coming second in the league 😂😂😂 stop pretending like Liverpool where in 20th
Pep’s influence on football alone sets him apart from the others. He changed the way football was played in Spain Germany and the “best league in the world” EPL. Players and understudy managers that were under pep are making strides to becoming great managers. Who else has done that apart from cruyff
Pep plays entertaining football but give Klopp the City team he inherited and tell me he doesn't change the landscape of the game. Plus he creates managers? Arteta just bottled the EPL and Kompany just started as a coach and he was a player not under his coaching staff. RIDICULOUS!
The fact that Klopp hasn't been able to rebuild due to the lack of transfer budget says it all. If he'd had unlimited funds like Pep has, then Liverpool wouldn't be in the situation they are now with the midfield no longer having the legs and all aging out. We would already have Bellingham and other top young players in to replace them. Pep has been playing Football Manager with unlimited funds turned on for his whole career... And if you've ever tried that you'll know it makes things a whole lot easier to win.
Who’s fault is that? Man went and bought 4 forwards when he needed a midfield man misjudged it all.. shows what it is.. no one should have to tell him, is he blind? All the scouse fans was screaming for a new midfield man went and spent on forwards 😂💀
@@z3dda Yeah we should have prioritised midfielders over forwards. But again Pep and Man City wouldn't have to pick one or the other, they could just do both.
Having loads of money and buying players, is no gurantee of success, just look back at Real Madrid`s history with the failed galacticos project, current day Chelsea, and current day Liverpool. So simply assuming that throwing money at something will make it go away.
It’s easy for these clowns to talk, however if it was their club and their money, you’d have to look at return on investment, then tell me who is worth having Klopp or Pep. It’s easy to just say things with no knowledge of business or football. It’s wild anyone with any common sense would pick pep over Klopp. Klopp out here making miracles with the likes of Origi and Shaqiri while pep scratching his head.
@@z3dda Liverpool have never been a club that will just sign someone because they need a player in that position, they have shortlists of players they want. Gakpo and Diaz were on their shortlists and became available in separate January's. Their two major midfield targets have fallen through due to one choosing Madrid, and not having the money available for the other. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the approach, but imagine we didn't replace Mane with Diaz, or we didn't go for Gakpo to replace Firmino. Liverpool had the best front 3 in world football for several years, and to not replace them would've created even more backlash than what is currently occurring from the fans.
In my opinion I believe both a on a par. And it's genuinely down to the fact that I think both have differences in strengths. I believe Pep has his sides playing better football, but Klopp has made some bang average players look like absolute world beaters. I think if you got both managers to assemble a team of exactly what they want, it would be close but Pep probably edges it. And if you got both teams to assemble a team on a limited budget I think Klopp would edge it. Who I choose is completely down to either of those two circumstances, but even then, it's close. Even though I'm a Liverpool fan, I'm a big admirer of Pep and I don't actually care if people prefer him, but it's pure ignorance to ignore the brilliance of Klopp and make out he's not on that level, because he definitely is.
@domonicdecoco2410 Unless we see the tables turned we will never know. But I can say that I wouldn't trade Klopp for Pep, and I highly doubt any Man City fan would trade Pep for Klopp. They are the perfect match for what each club has at its disposal. The argument is moot
yeah kind of,,i think he has to be attracted to the job and the money available doesnt really come in to his decision making when considering if hes going to take it or not,,,,klopp could easily of got jobs with bayern,madrid or united where he would of won a lot more
@@YoulovecatsiloveCats i mean assuming that those numbers are right. Klopp was at Liverpool a season before, with 33% increase in the amount spent, with a better starting point, and city hiding money theyve spent. It all adds up
No point in comparing the two until Pep steps down to a team that needs a rebuild on a limited budget, or until FSG starts giving Klopp whatever he wants financially
You expect pep, a manager of a champion cadre to step down to a club which doesn't even compete in the CL? Ask Klopp to do it, lets see if klopp can do it with FC Basel And talking about finances ,whose sorry ass spent money on Mane, Salah, Van Dijk, Konate, Alisson, Diaz, Nunez, Jota. Stop speaking of Finances, had klopp won the league without spending money, i would have appreciated him more, but he spent the money too, big time
@@arbazk2705 It doesn’t the argument used was that Klopp has shown so far that he is “misusing” funds. On terrible players, Gakpo was signed for 50 million when you needed to save up to get bellingham? And you didn’t even need a new attacker, they just happened to be injured. The same summer transfer window Klopp was saying he didn’t need a midfielder(even though everyone and their grandma knew they needed one) In a few years you’ll realize that it was Michael Edwards who had amazing recruitment not Klopp.
@@rajkaranvirk7525 klopp was told money was set aside for bellingham and pulled out the deal when he realised he can spend 150 million on more players rather than 1, but we’ll see indeed pal
@@samkelorashuza5949 better premier League manager yes, overall no. Raineri has the same number of titles as klopp with a far inferior budget, team and wage bill. 5000/1. You see how silly it is? Pep is better than klopp, end of.
Ridiculous to compare the paths taken by these coaches. One started with a winning team with a bottomless pocket and the other took a dead team with no budget. Come on man!
“How many forwards have Liverpool brought- they have brought 4 forward in the last 3 years” Man City literally signed 3 in the last year. That’s the difference.
No one's talking about City's potential treble because no one cares about them doing it. Pep's greatest season at City was the domestic treble and it's never mentioned by anyone.
Glad i stopped watching this rubbish after last year. Someone needs to tell these guys that being louder or shouting doesn't make you right. Brian coming out with valid points. Give Pep & Klopp the same budget, Jurgen wins hands down
Money... with the context that the pl is the richest league, Liverpool has spent just as much, and its a no brained pep is better than klopp. People love stories, but this Liverpool team has had like 3 good seasons, and the amount of success varies.
This conversation actually annoyed me because of the sheer stupidity of the two guys speaking against Brian, Klopp had spent less but FSG only lets him spend when they realise that the team is down to the barebones with players ageing or big time injuries etc whereas with Pep walked into to a star studded team and can ease players into his system a season before they even get game time and everyone he signs isn't a risk they're all players everyone knows is good, where Liverpool have to take more risks in the market and try find a diamond in the rough... both unbelievable managers and pep tactically is the best but I don't think he can get the best out of lower quality players and klopp can through motivation and the tactic he deploys because it stems off hard work
Well when Pep came to City they where aging team. Ok, i agree that team was full of good players who won something. But when he came he didn't give a f*** who won what and who is who. He deployed his system and get rid of alot of players who were elite but weren't able to coupe with his management. And then he bring in some young unknown guns and done it his way. To do that it takes big cojones and to be genius.
@@ThomDull That's such bullshit - you're writing this as a narrative to purposely ignore the fact that Pep inherited a title winning a team and then was able to over time change out players with a gigantic budget - Klopp had to get a group which consisted of many average players and then use a significantly smaller budget to bring in players. Pretending that taking a team which won the title adding a billion and then them doing the exact same as being a genius is delusional as someone can be.
@@TheBenj30 this is so tiring. Even if Pep wins 5 CL in a row it would not change your mind even a mm. You will think that Klopp is better manager no matter what facts are saying bcs EVIL Pep have all the money in the world and poor and alone left in the rain Jurgen Twist did it against the all odds. Jfc grow up Liverpool have money, Liverpool bought players but he didn't get from them what he expected.
@@ThomDull You're arguing against your own opinion at this point. Firstly, Klopp didn't get out of his players want he expected? He took a team of average players, at a significantly smaller budget than Pep and then won every single possible trophy that was available to him - he took a player that people called a Chelsea reject and has made him a repeated golden boot winner, he took an academy right back and made him one of the best assisters in the league despite being a defender, he bought a left back for a few million and has arguably made him one of the best LB's in the history of the game. His players didn't work out - you haven't got a clue what you're talking about, don't get all whiney and salty and tell me to grow up because you can't make a legitimate point. As for the 5 Champions League in a row, what a stupid point - you're fabricating a scenario that is unheard of to justify your opinion of a manager that couldn't even win it once with over a billion spent on an already Premier League winning squad, you justify this poor performance in European football by creating this image in your head of a Pep who has won 5 UCL in a row when he couldn't even win one - how lost for legitimate arguments are you, where you have to justify his quality by pretending he won stuff with Man City that he didn't.
I think Pep is a greater tactician than Klopp but there's no better man-manager in football than Jurgen. Context matters in terms of achievement; yes, Liverpool spent 142 million on a keeper and a centre half but only because Coutinho. The argument that Liverpool have spent less is not that they haven't spent anything. The fact that Klopp has been able to consistently push and, at the time of writing, have a more varied trophy haul than Guardiola's City, is an achievement in itself. Regardless of who you think's better, it is undeniable that this is an era of a great Premier League rivalry. I mean, just look at the head 2 head.
Ancelloti is the best man manager in football. Bayern is a blip in a long career, but looking at how he's turned camavinga into a left back and maintained the team together despite the league running and going deep into the champions league again, he's that guy
@Jorge Rivera-Mota Ancellotti didn't make the players play any better than they were. He just managed them as in played them in a more complementary way. Benzema, Moriches, Kroos, Vini were already at their heights before he came. He just made them work more cohesively.
What is this Arsenals fan’s problem with Klopp? I bet when it comes to Arteta, he gets over excited about Arteta’s ability and goes on and on about him. Klopp has achieved it all at LFC and on a fraction of the budget Pep has. Watch there be a Pep vs Arteta debate be done in a year or two and this Arsenal fan will back Arteta to the hilt when he’s nowhere near the levels of Kloppbor Pep.
To me personally what Klopp has done with that Liverpool side has been far more impressive than what Pep has done with City. I don't see how a team can be praised hailed so much with no European cup and massive let downs in said tournament. Imo give Klopp that budget and he's dominating no doubt in my mind
Graham Potter did a better job at Brighton than at Chelsea with lots of money, maybe Klopp is more suited to working at a club that needs a major rebuild
@@bats5972 How can you prove what would Klopp win this or that amount of money? How is that measurable? If you are referring to what each manager have done based on evidence (trophys, wins, goals...) then you are reading things upside down. Pep has inspired many today's elite manager all over the world and England. He changed the way of playing football in the country.
I mean... as the comments say. Klopp will always be the better manager. sure pep has won more trophies but look at how he's done it. he inherited the teams/money which if each season he slightly underperformed he could fix those problems easy. klopp has went into teams with limited money and broken teams and made them go onto win big and better things look at mainz. I think if pep went to leeds he would probably stress and quit after 2 seasons. Klopp when he has off seasons he's unlikely able to fix them in a window straight away. he has to take time and make enough money to fix the important problems
Pep inherent aging team thta didn't won PL for two years. He sold most of them or incorporated in new system. When you talk about L'pool they are for decades in the top of PL league. You can't tell me that they were buying 2nd tier players for decades. So, L'pool had good players and good academy players for decades. This ridiculous argument that Pep should go to a "smaller" team prove himself is just bonkers.
Switched off when Geordie said Phillips was 50m. He was 42m but as usual, he never does any research and lies to suit his narrative. It’s no wonder everyone’s ditched him.
Guardiola has managed Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Man City... 3 of the easiest jobs in football management because of recourses and club prestige. Why does no one ever talk about this?
Guardiola lost games in CL that any other high level manager would won with the teams he managed. He lost in CL with Bayern against Atletico Madrid and with City against Lyon and Chelsea, also with both teams he lost against Real, who destroyed his Bayern 4:0 in Munich
Barca was fourth before Pep came, that job was not easy. All he had was credit from his time in Barca B, wow so great!. Bayern job is easy, but they don't have unlimited cash. He only ever broke the bank at City. Context is important, but all you guys' argument is linked to big clubs and names. Mention that part too.
Pep will never be the greatest ever unless he goes to a mid table team with a small budget and rebuilds them to champions. Dont compare to him to Alex Ferguson
It's crazy we forget that Pep won the league playing without a regular striker and just did it after kicking both his LBs out... Pep is out of this world, take it or leave it. How many of you were rooting for Cancelo when Pep took him up. Journalists were writing about how Rodri was a failed Pep signing just two seasons ago. Pep refused to overpay for Sanchez, Maguire, Cucurella...
Monaco, Tottenham, Lyon, teams that have bounced Man City out of the Champions League. Dont put Pep and Ferguson on the same level. I am a Liverpool fan btw.
Those two guys in the middle are incredibly dense. Pep could never achieve what Klopp did, with the same resources. It's crazy how comfortable they are, to be that disrespectful.
When having this debate I always look at this way, if pep became lfc manager instead of klopp and had to work on the same budget starting with the same squad would he have done better or worse
The same argument could be made the other way round too, just because you have all these resources doesn’t mean you can make the most of them. There are plenty of managers that make the step up in terms of player quality but can’t get the best out of them.
@@michaelcapper9019 That's dumb, you're saying having less money makes your job easier - so why is Klopp asking for money now? Completely counter to logic
@@spinach-colour-joey6776 no I’m saying just having more money doesn’t mean he would have done better is not always true. Yes he could have done more with more money but that’s not guaranteed.
No manager in history has had the resources Pep has had available to him at city. It’s not just money to spend on players, the entire organisation is primed for success with unlimited funds. And he still hasn’t won the champions league.
United doesn't have resources, Chelsea doesn't have resources, Liverpool, Arsenal, Totenham. This is such a bullshit. City organisation is a well oiled machine and that is good thing not something you should point your finger and say "wtf is that how is that possible?".
Pep has changed how football is played across the world. Split centr back and tiki taka and all that. He then came to England where everyone said you can't play like that in the Premier League and he did it. So much so that many clubs try to play like Pep's team. Not to mention that he manages the egos of this big players, which is a whole other thing. I think he does not get enough credit for it
He didn’t change football at all. He’s literally just copied and pasted everything he learned from Cruyff and used it with bigger and better teams and players. Pep is an egotistical little man who’s afraid of the slightest of criticism, hence why he’s stayed at City for so long to try and prove his critics wrong, which he still hasn’t. He will always be the most criticised manager in history, and deservedly so.
Peps Barcelona: Cheats! Bribed refs! Peps Bayern: Farmers league, not difficult to win league with Bayern. Peps Man City: Cheats! Broke FFP rules over 100 times. What has Pep actually achieved?
It’s impossible to compare them. I personally am more impressed by Klopps jobb at Liverpool than Peps job at City, but both have done brilliantly. And btw, «400m in attackers» is horseshit. It’s about 200m spent over 8 years (Firmino in 2015, Salah in 2017, Jota in 2020, Diaz and Nunez in 2022 and Gakpo in 2023). The fact that Pep can make a 50m flop signing in Phillips with zero repercussions tells a lot.
These young arrogant fans should look up a former manager of Liverpool, Bob Paisley. The trophies he picked up in his time at the club, is staggering. Legend.
Pep has been manager of the favorites to win the champions league 10 out of the last 11 seasons (back to Bayern days) and hasn’t won a single one. Then his team goes out and spends 100 mil every summer
Mourinho had all the money in the world managing a Real Madrid superteam with Ronaldo, Benzema, Ozil, Ramos, Casilla, Di Maria etc and kept getting totally spanked multiple times by a newly promoted Pep who built the greatest team of all time by promoting players like busquets from barcelona b.
The £400 million on forwards is a terrible lack of research for a football show. Salah £35 mil, Firmino £29 mil, Jota £41 mil, Gakpo £40 mil, Núñez £64 mil, Diaz £37.5 mil which is £246.5 mil since Firmino joined in 2015 so an average of £30 mil a season spent on a forward since the first of those was signed. Klopp has always managed on a budget, he hasn’t always got it spot on but when we make a costly mistake it takes a couple of years to put it right.
If pep can win a European trophy with Aberdeen I’ll say he’s the best until then he can carry on spending 100s of millions to dope their way to trophies
U know what people don't say enough abt pep, his influence on the countries he has coached in In every country Pep has coached he has made their national teams side better, when he was in spain. They won world and euro with his players. In Germany when he was coaching Bayern, they won world with his player and playing style just like in spain. English national team has improved because of his influence in England.
Some people just hate the man, but they will gladly take him if he comes to their club, the amount of influence Pep has in many teams in England is huge, every team in England wants to play Pep’s way, ever since Pep came to premier league every club is shopping for a goalkeeper that is good on the ball that was never a thing before 2016.
Agree with True Geordie, it’s like F1, if you have the best car because of money you clearly have an advantage even if talent is equal. (Not to mention that money wrecked the league balance)
True geordie: Pep has spent over 1 billion pounds at Manchester city over 7 seasons and still hasn't won the champions league Craig:How much was Alvarez tho .😂😂😂
Klopp is clear of Guardiola it’s not even a debate , pep did great at barca bcz of the players even then he had some questionable defeats there especially in UCL failed at Bayern & spent 1B in City to win the same things that managers like mancini won
They haven't dipped - he's been given far more money than Klopp and most teams and yet hasn't won every title and has failed in the Champions League, how is that not a dip?
@@TheBenj30 City are always at the top an in the later stages of cups. in sport constancy is the mark of truly great team. you can't win every, game every time. Sport doesn't work that way.
@@ThomDull We know you can't win every game, but even bad teams have shown the ability to win the Champions League before Man City - he's spent well over a billion on a squad that had already won the Premiers League and since then, has only managed to win the Premier League, some seasons - just barely. 1 billion on a squad that won the Premier League and then failing to win the Champions League isn't the mark of a great manager.
And it also had no relevance, if anyone actually explored it. Gerrard won every trophy available to him, except the PL and he was on the verge of winning that 3 or 4 times anyway (slip season, with rafa, 2001).
Started on third base and gets excited when he hits a home run comes to mind. My guys, he's spent like a billion more than Klopp since 2012. Be serious.
man city squad when pep joines was old and only had a few good players and pep turned it around with smart young signings not big nnames and made them the best prem team in 2 seasons
@@wesleylang172 Barca was fourth before Pep came lol, what monster team? Busquets played in the B team and Pep managed Barca B, not exactly the biggest credentials. Pep made them world beaters. Only world team was Bayern. City was good, but he had to overhaul the squad a lot, remember he finished fourth or third his first season.
@@StillAwesome21 this is again crazy talk. The 2008/09 side was. Victor valdes Dani alves Abidal Puyol Pique Xavi Yaya t Iniesta Eto Messi MESSSSSSI Henry 2004 - 2nd 2005-1st 2006- 1st & CL 2007-2nd 2008- 3rd CL semi 2009 - Pep 1st and CL What part of this is not a dominant team?
Geordie saying winning doesn’t mean as much with money. I dont see that reflecting this season when they went from relegation threatened to CL qualification contenders.
Literally nobody is saying Pep isn't a true great. The facts are that Klopp has had to operate with smaller budgets than Pep and put up with teams poaching his best players. Pep can keep refreshing his side easily, he has unlimited funds FFS. Klopp has to make signings where he can. He's also not helped by players who are more injured than they are available.
Klopp took a team in 10th and had to rebuild it. He took Dortmund over when they were 13th and took them to back to back titles. He is the last manager to have won the Bundesliga who wasn't a Bayern manager. What he has done at Liverpool has been incredible. Liverpool are *9th* in the net spend table since he took over. Pep has constantly failed in the champions league at MC and it's not like they got knocked out by top teams besides Liverpool and RM. Monaco? Lyon? Spurs?!! When Pep rebuilds a mid table side and wins big trophies with them we can talk then about who is better.
I use to love this show but now a lot of people come on here and make points without knowing what the situation was, Liverpool HAD to buy Gakpo, their forward line was massively injured after the world cup because Jota was still out Diaz was supposed to be back but got injured again in training, and Firmino got injured, leaving them with just Nunez and Salah as the only forwards which isn’t nearly enough considering they had to deal with those injuries up until about late February, if they don’t sign Gakpo it would be way worse than what it is now, plus Firmino was getting old and there was already a feeling he would leave in the summer so it was also good for them to revamp the forward line by adding Gakpo And again about the Pep Klopp debate, both are all time great managers, Pep has way more league titles than Klopp but rightfully so he’s been at the biggest clubs everywhere he’s worked at and has had a lot to work with, he came to city with Kdb, Toure, Aguero, Sterling, Kompany and a lot of other good players, Klopp came to Liverpool and the best player he had was a young Coutinho and he still made it work From 2018 when Klopp reached the UCL final he’s reached the final twice since then and only missed out of either a disastrous season like 20-21 ans 2022-23, and 1 shock defeat by Atletico, plus the two finals he lost were against 2 incredible madrid sides the one of 2018 with a prime Cristiano ronaldo and the comeback kings of 2022 with a ballon dor winning Benzema, Pep has just 1 final to his name since 2011 and it was against a good chelsea side, not great and he still couldn’t beat em, I think they’re equal and don’t really think one is way better than the other, but if any I give the edge to Klopp, it’s slight margins otherwise Klopp would have 3 league titles because 2019 and 2022 could have gone either way and we’d be having a very different conversation
I cannot believe you guys trying to argue this. Pep is up there with the best of managers ever but klopp over him any day of the week. Yes Liverpool have spent money but klopp done it on a tighter budget to Pep and his challenged city for 4/5 years now and his taken them to 3 champions league final.
People really forget what Pep did with that Barcelona team. Created arguably the greatest club team in the history of the game with the majority of the team coming from La Masia (where he was before taking the manager role) and he made them into monsters.
He had prime Iniesta Xavi and Messi for fucks sake. He's always had the best squad in the league with unlimited budget. He hasn't built a thing, he's always come in to already established succesfull teams and then thrown millions on top to make them even more overpowered. He's the definition of a chequebook manager.
Iniesta was not in his prime when pep took over. Don't come with limited ball knowledge. Check his starting 11 at barca and tell me how much this 'chequebook manager' spent
Pep has had about 300 odd mil more in net spend than kloop at Liverpool. It's always helped by the fact Liverpool managed to sell Coutino for 140 mil and city always have to pay a premium to get any players. And then compare the squad right now. Liverpool needs a full rebuild where as City can go with this squad slowly rebuilding and winning at the same time.
klopp could easily of got jobs with bayern,madrid or united where he would of had a lot more money to spend and won a lot more trophies,,but those type of jobs/clubs dont appeal to him
@@NLGNATHAN ok, you think he doesn't do it bcs he (Klopp) is humble or something, and he says Pep is the best why? Why doesn't he say that about Eddie Howe or idk someone else. Why Pep? Or why anyone?
I think it'll be pretty much impossible for Pep overtake Sir Alex. He built an empire from a struggling club, he also beat Real Madrid in a European Cup final with Aberdeen and is still the last manager to win the league with a team that wasn't Rangers or Celtic.
Oh give over, he managed the richest team in the country for the majority of his time there, exactly as pep does. And the state that Ferguson left united in was awful, he signed old players because he wanted a league before retiring, rather than leave the squad in a good place for the future.
Going by this season you have to give it to Pep. He has changed City's system to accomodate the changing squad, instead of making them do the exact same thing as before. Being adaptable is a key trait managers have to have to stay at the top otherwise they get found out. Klopp's failure to adapt his system for the changes his team went through in the Summer is a big reason why Liverpool dropped off so much this season.
Every season Pep keep coming up with different type of play and other learn, problem with Klopp is that he’s playing the same pattern since he came to England and teams have found him out. Good for him he’s learning from Pep, now Arnold is playing midfield role just like John stones, Cancelo and walker for Man City.
When performing analysis you need to look at the nuances. And due to those nuances the gap between Pep and Klopp is microscopic, no matter who you rate higher.
If Pep came to United instead of City after Alex Ferguson left, then I would put him as the best manager of all time. Yes, he would get resources, but United were (and arguably still) in a mess after Gill and AF left. Seeing Pep doing a rebuild instead of walking into a top-tier Man City team (which he has improved, tbf).
Peps B team is a top 4 team, this comparison is ridiculous when city keep buying top players with oil money and Liverpool's owners can't spend the same way. Both managers are at the top of their game but when you buy all the best players its unfair to compare managers
@@ant9925 Barce finished fourth, Busquets was in the B team. What manager doesn't inherit a team? What is supposed to do? Not play them, like what is that dumb argument, every manager inherits a team and Pep made his world beaters.
@@StillAwesome21 2011 was the team i was talking about van der sar scholes Neville retired that year, vidic ferdinand and carrick now in their early thirties not to mention giggs pushing 40 playing games. A lesser team all round mostly
Neither one is anywhere near finished. So the rivalry continues as far as I’m concerned 🤷🏽♂️ That being said, although I prefer Pep’s tactics. True Geordie’s point about Klopp doing more(or at least as much) with less does linger in the mind🤔
@@demeoo you know, I thought if I gave it some time I would cool off. However, I still want too linger on your jaw bone. A, Brighton are 7th what the fuck are you on about. B, yes the fact that has Klopp has accomplished just as much if not more, with a relatively significantly smaller budget is what lingers in my mind. Pep put forgiato’s on a Ferrari. While klopp refurbished a rusty 67 impala ss with no block, on bricks. It’s impressive 🤷🏽♂️
the hypocrisy from Brian, Newcastle get bought and spend a fortune of money and then has the cheek to go after City and their spending once again. Get a life bro
Pep managed Barca B and got them promoted before he got the Barca job. Also, if these top jobs are so easy, why do other managers not achieve the same level of success?
i was waiting for this. how come they missed barca B?
Fella Barca b team play in a professional league . Think it’s like the 3rd division he won . Barca obviously are able to accumulate the best young talent around the world💸 so it’s them coming up against the equivalent of Rochdale and Macclesfield of course he was going to do well. Hence the reason no one mentions that👍
No one said top jobs are easy. That is not the argument.
Doing top jobs with non dominant teams is greater than doing top jobs with top teams. That is the argument.
@@joelgeorge3435 👌👌both world class managers imo
Zidane three Champions league wins in a row is much greater success than Pep's done and Ancelotti got 4 without Messi too.
Bro... They can't be compared because Klopp hasn't taken a winning team and had that pressure to improve it. And Pep hasn't rebuild any team from scratch and with a limited budget.
Pep took a team that had won the Champions League two seasons prior. Rijkaard brought Barcelona to the spotlight, Ronaldinho, Deco, etc.
Pep took them to another level
Pep took a trebble winning Bayern Munich and didn't take them to another level.
Pep took a City team that had won 2 titles in the last 4 seasons with two 2nd places. Pellegrini and Mancini were the ones that took City from bottom to the top.
Pep went in and spent as much as those two put together... and took them to another level.
Pep haven't done what Klopp did at Dortmund and at Liverpool. And Klopp hasn't done what Pep has done.
Pep has improved players, yes. Klopp too. Lewandowski, Gotze, Reus, Gundogan, Hummels, etc. Mané, Salah, Firmino, Trent, Robbo... bro, come on.
Besides, Klopp's Dortmund was the last team that took Bayern off their perch in Germany and won the EPL for Liverpool for the first time in 30 years. And has played 3 UCL finals in 5 years.
This guy comparing Liverpool's spending with City is plain dumb. Pep has spent twice as much as Klopp since coming in.
your argument falls short because by your logic NO MANAGER CAN EVER BE COMPARED TO EACH OTHER, because they never been in exact same situations. this is rather nonsensical, YOU CAN COMPARE the 2, and Klopp is less successful and it aint about the money or any other metric you stated, Pep has been successful at every club his been, and not just successful but dominated completely, Pep is the modern era version of Alex fergy.
there is no manager like Pep, and they all fall short of Pep big budget or not, Mourinho has had big budget, nowhere near Pep, Chelsea have give their managers big budgets, they get fired frequently, Man Utd have a big budget and no success, this argument of budget is null and void because we have seen, it takes more than buying expensive players to not only get at the top but stay there.
another thing you forget in your argument is that Pep spends big on the RIGHT PLAYERS and do not forget it took him 2 seasons to finally get going in City, he had to tinker and fix up that City side before he dominated, so that shows you its not about money.
Basically im saying you can compare Klopp to Pep same way we compare Fergie to Wenger, we compare Mourinho to everyone else. and Pep is superior to Klopp,
Well i guess United (or Chelsea) should won something i last 10 years with money they spent if it is like you say all about spending money.
Exactly, 2 managers on different paths so it’s not possible to decide who’s best
@@BlackOxymoron That's exactly my point: Most managers can't be compared. Most do different work.
It has MORE many variables than when you compare individual players. No club has the same circumstances.
You really can say that fighting relegation with limited budget and limited quality of players is less hard than fighting for the title with all the resources available?
No, it's a lot of pressure and it involves different sets of skills
Pep himself has said so. Bielsa is one of his mentors, and look at Bielsa's career. Most managers regard him as one of the best, yet he chooses different paths. Some managers are cut out for different roles
Pep WON'T make Wolves play like City. He himself has said so, his style of play needs certain type of players. If he can't bring them in, he would have to adapt.
The argument of budget isn't null. You can have a budget and fail, because of scouting and bad planning. But you can have good scouting and plans and yet fall short without budget.
You can't compare Wegner and Fergie either.
And more to the point. It's about building a team from scratch. Getting a team of "losers" and a club with "loser mentaility" and transform them. Pep has never done that. And i'm not attacking Pep, it's just a reality. Arteta is trying to do it, and he has spent 3 times more than Klopp in the past 4 years, yet, it is hard, players don't know how to win. Conte took a Chelsea team that knew how to win, they had won things. He spent less money at Chelsea and won. Took over Spurs and spent more and we can all see the results.
@@basc5026 I am sorry, but what are you talking about? They are in same cups and leagues?
Thank god Brian was in that room, else they’d be having the most dumb conversation ever
Totally agree. I think I know where you are coming from.
His fault for getting these new panel members 😆
Get a job bro
@@spresso007 ok lol
@@kyriacandro how's frustrated life? 😂😂😂😂😂 Loserpool fan?😂😂😂😂😂
Klopp is still the last non-Bayern Munich manager to win the Bundesliga (twice in a row).
Klopp brought the League title to a club that hadn't won it in the last 30 years.
Klopp won the UCL title with a non league winning team while Pep hasn't done it with two league winners.
Klopp pushed against a side that had much more than twice his team's budget, winning the league once and finishing just 1 point behind twice.
It's true that Liverpool are sort of burnt out now, but Klopp is still my pick of the two.
Both great managers but people need to remember how bad Liverpool were when klopp took over. Not to mention what he did with Dortmund. City were winning titles before pep and they will win titles after pep. The same can’t be said about Liverpool and klopp.
Pep built the best Barca team, one of the best Bayern, the best Man City of all time man come on
@@amino2311 peps amazing. I wouldn't say he's built those clubs tho, more like renovated them for the better
@@amino2311 Same it is for Klopp with him taking Mainz from bundesliga 2 to bundesliga, dortmund from 9th in the league to winning them a league and reaching a UCL final and liverpool in 8th to all they can win. I for once would love to see Pep take a midtable team to league titles and Klopp with a team which can get the best footballers money can buy to settle this debate.
They still only won one league though. Doesn't matter in the eyes of history.
Bro relax, Rogers was in charge before Klopp who had built a team just after coming second in the league 😂😂😂 stop pretending like Liverpool where in 20th
Pep’s influence on football alone sets him apart from the others. He changed the way football was played in Spain Germany and the “best league in the world” EPL. Players and understudy managers that were under pep are making strides to becoming great managers. Who else has done that apart from cruyff
Klopp has heavily influenced football with his heavy metal football
Sir Alex is the goat 🐐
Pep plays entertaining football but give Klopp the City team he inherited and tell me he doesn't change the landscape of the game. Plus he creates managers? Arteta just bottled the EPL and Kompany just started as a coach and he was a player not under his coaching staff. RIDICULOUS!
@@samkelorashuza5949😂😂😂😂
Klopp basically changed the pressing system of football
The fact that Klopp hasn't been able to rebuild due to the lack of transfer budget says it all. If he'd had unlimited funds like Pep has, then Liverpool wouldn't be in the situation they are now with the midfield no longer having the legs and all aging out. We would already have Bellingham and other top young players in to replace them. Pep has been playing Football Manager with unlimited funds turned on for his whole career... And if you've ever tried that you'll know it makes things a whole lot easier to win.
Who’s fault is that? Man went and bought 4 forwards when he needed a midfield man misjudged it all.. shows what it is.. no one should have to tell him, is he blind? All the scouse fans was screaming for a new midfield man went and spent on forwards 😂💀
@@z3dda Yeah we should have prioritised midfielders over forwards. But again Pep and Man City wouldn't have to pick one or the other, they could just do both.
Having loads of money and buying players, is no gurantee of success, just look back at Real Madrid`s history with the failed galacticos project, current day Chelsea, and current day Liverpool. So simply assuming that throwing money at something will make it go away.
It’s easy for these clowns to talk, however if it was their club and their money, you’d have to look at return on investment, then tell me who is worth having Klopp or Pep.
It’s easy to just say things with no knowledge of business or football. It’s wild anyone with any common sense would pick pep over Klopp. Klopp out here making miracles with the likes of Origi and Shaqiri while pep scratching his head.
@@z3dda Liverpool have never been a club that will just sign someone because they need a player in that position, they have shortlists of players they want. Gakpo and Diaz were on their shortlists and became available in separate January's. Their two major midfield targets have fallen through due to one choosing Madrid, and not having the money available for the other. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the approach, but imagine we didn't replace Mane with Diaz, or we didn't go for Gakpo to replace Firmino. Liverpool had the best front 3 in world football for several years, and to not replace them would've created even more backlash than what is currently occurring from the fans.
In my opinion I believe both a on a par. And it's genuinely down to the fact that I think both have differences in strengths. I believe Pep has his sides playing better football, but Klopp has made some bang average players look like absolute world beaters. I think if you got both managers to assemble a team of exactly what they want, it would be close but Pep probably edges it. And if you got both teams to assemble a team on a limited budget I think Klopp would edge it. Who I choose is completely down to either of those two circumstances, but even then, it's close. Even though I'm a Liverpool fan, I'm a big admirer of Pep and I don't actually care if people prefer him, but it's pure ignorance to ignore the brilliance of Klopp and make out he's not on that level, because he definitely is.
Klopp is clear. Every situation Pep has been in, he’s walked into ritches. Super Barca, Lewa Bayern, and now City.
@domonicdecoco2410 Unless we see the tables turned we will never know. But I can say that I wouldn't trade Klopp for Pep, and I highly doubt any Man City fan would trade Pep for Klopp. They are the perfect match for what each club has at its disposal. The argument is moot
Personally I feel klopp loves having the "underdog" status. That is his identity as a manager
yeah kind of,,i think he has to be attracted to the job and the money available doesnt really come in to his decision making when considering if hes going to take it or not,,,,klopp could easily of got jobs with bayern,madrid or united where he would of won a lot more
He's not though, compared to Pep yes, but in general no. Hasn't been for a long time.
@@StillAwesome21 Dortmund and Mainz
@@dada41954 even liverpool which was a mid table team
Sure is working well for him😂
“400m on forwards”😂😂😂 he needs to be held accountable for that
Hes clueless, works out about £190M before add ons and about £260M after
Fella is a clown
Pep 1 billion, Klopp 745 million! 250 million less stop pretending
@@YoulovecatsiloveCats i mean assuming that those numbers are right. Klopp was at Liverpool a season before, with 33% increase in the amount spent, with a better starting point, and city hiding money theyve spent. It all adds up
“150 million on 2 players” yes because they sold one for 140 million you dope
No point in comparing the two until Pep steps down to a team that needs a rebuild on a limited budget, or until FSG starts giving Klopp whatever he wants financially
You expect pep, a manager of a champion cadre to step down to a club which doesn't even compete in the CL?
Ask Klopp to do it, lets see if klopp can do it with FC Basel
And talking about finances ,whose sorry ass spent money on Mane, Salah, Van Dijk, Konate, Alisson, Diaz, Nunez, Jota.
Stop speaking of Finances, had klopp won the league without spending money, i would have appreciated him more, but he spent the money too, big time
Guy in black is loudest again whilst being 100% wrong AND seemingly not even understanding the issues
PEP is a GENIUS manager best in the world even klopp will say the same.
The other two guests don’t get the financial situation at Liverpool and think klopp manages the funds 😂😂😂😂
They absolutely get it, they just have 💩 for brains.
Klopp since summer of last season, along with Pep Leijnders has taken over the transfer dealings, from Michael Edwards who had left.
@@rajkaranvirk7525 how does that have anything to do with how much money he is able to spend?
@@arbazk2705 It doesn’t the argument used was that Klopp has shown so far that he is “misusing” funds. On terrible players, Gakpo was signed for 50 million when you needed to save up to get bellingham? And you didn’t even need a new attacker, they just happened to be injured. The same summer transfer window Klopp was saying he didn’t need a midfielder(even though everyone and their grandma knew they needed one) In a few years you’ll realize that it was Michael Edwards who had amazing recruitment not Klopp.
@@rajkaranvirk7525 klopp was told money was set aside for bellingham and pulled out the deal when he realised he can spend 150 million on more players rather than 1, but we’ll see indeed pal
Pep’s Barca under investigation for paying refs, Pep’s city under investigation for financial doping…
You're investigation is done for being a crying muppet. Verdict, guilty
So a dope 😭😭😭
Your mother is under investigation for having sex with Pep 😂
Oh my
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Hold on, what did people actually say when Liverpool signed Salah? No one thought he would be a superstar including Liverpool fans.
We were told he was a Chelsea reject 🤷🏾♂️
"One season wonder" (lots of evidence for this prediction from a lot of people) and now its "oh he had salah". Typical.
Facts
These guys are jokeman for the shot they say
The debate should be who's more insufferable, Marvin or Craig?
def marvin
As a coach SAF has NEVER been on Pep's level. This delusion is irritating.
Literally nothing Marvin said made sense in this clip
Is Raineri a better manager than Klopp because Klopp spent way more, but they have the same amount of PL titles?
So where is renieri's UCL?
If we use Liverpool fan logic, and klopp defender logic, yes.
@@MemphisGoar raineri is a better premier League manager than klopp, look at his team and budget. See how silly it is when we use the money argument.
@@funnyfuse3869 Is he a better manager? Has Ranieri ever come close to another title or at least top 4?
@@samkelorashuza5949 better premier League manager yes, overall no. Raineri has the same number of titles as klopp with a far inferior budget, team and wage bill. 5000/1. You see how silly it is? Pep is better than klopp, end of.
Ridiculous to compare the paths taken by these coaches. One started with a winning team with a bottomless pocket and the other took a dead team with no budget. Come on man!
“How many forwards have Liverpool brought- they have brought 4 forward in the last 3 years”
Man City literally signed 3 in the last year. That’s the difference.
0:46 WTF is Brian going on about Roy Hodgson for? He'd left 5 years before Klopp became Liverpool manager? Clueless
Why are these guys acting like Salah ,VVD , Allison etc where at their UCL and premier league winning form before joining Liverpool 💀
No one's talking about City's potential treble because no one cares about them doing it. Pep's greatest season at City was the domestic treble and it's never mentioned by anyone.
nobody in your echo chamber.
@@ThomDull no one other than man city "fans" cares what man city does, it's all hollow, bought not earned.
@@ThomDull if ours is a chamber then yours is an air pocket
@@nichobee jeeez
Yet here you are talking about it how odd
Glad i stopped watching this rubbish after last year. Someone needs to tell these guys that being louder or shouting doesn't make you right. Brian coming out with valid points. Give Pep & Klopp the same budget, Jurgen wins hands down
How can you know this? This is such a strange presumption
@@ThomDull and its not like klopp hasn’t spent money, theyve spent a lot
Money... with the context that the pl is the richest league, Liverpool has spent just as much, and its a no brained pep is better than klopp. People love stories, but this Liverpool team has had like 3 good seasons, and the amount of success varies.
You stopped watching yet here you are ..
@@L_KayLiverpool have spent nowhere near as much as man City
Imagine a manager needing players to win trophies
This conversation actually annoyed me because of the sheer stupidity of the two guys speaking against Brian, Klopp had spent less but FSG only lets him spend when they realise that the team is down to the barebones with players ageing or big time injuries etc whereas with Pep walked into to a star studded team and can ease players into his system a season before they even get game time and everyone he signs isn't a risk they're all players everyone knows is good, where Liverpool have to take more risks in the market and try find a diamond in the rough... both unbelievable managers and pep tactically is the best but I don't think he can get the best out of lower quality players and klopp can through motivation and the tactic he deploys because it stems off hard work
Well when Pep came to City they where aging team. Ok, i agree that team was full of good players who won something. But when he came he didn't give a f*** who won what and who is who. He deployed his system and get rid of alot of players who were elite but weren't able to coupe with his management. And then he bring in some young unknown guns and done it his way. To do that it takes big cojones and to be genius.
@@ThomDull lmao lay off the crack bro.
@@ThomDull That's such bullshit - you're writing this as a narrative to purposely ignore the fact that Pep inherited a title winning a team and then was able to over time change out players with a gigantic budget - Klopp had to get a group which consisted of many average players and then use a significantly smaller budget to bring in players.
Pretending that taking a team which won the title adding a billion and then them doing the exact same as being a genius is delusional as someone can be.
@@TheBenj30 this is so tiring. Even if Pep wins 5 CL in a row it would not change your mind even a mm. You will think that Klopp is better manager no matter what facts are saying bcs EVIL Pep have all the money in the world and poor and alone left in the rain Jurgen Twist did it against the all odds. Jfc grow up Liverpool have money, Liverpool bought players but he didn't get from them what he expected.
@@ThomDull You're arguing against your own opinion at this point.
Firstly, Klopp didn't get out of his players want he expected? He took a team of average players, at a significantly smaller budget than Pep and then won every single possible trophy that was available to him - he took a player that people called a Chelsea reject and has made him a repeated golden boot winner, he took an academy right back and made him one of the best assisters in the league despite being a defender, he bought a left back for a few million and has arguably made him one of the best LB's in the history of the game.
His players didn't work out - you haven't got a clue what you're talking about, don't get all whiney and salty and tell me to grow up because you can't make a legitimate point.
As for the 5 Champions League in a row, what a stupid point - you're fabricating a scenario that is unheard of to justify your opinion of a manager that couldn't even win it once with over a billion spent on an already Premier League winning squad, you justify this poor performance in European football by creating this image in your head of a Pep who has won 5 UCL in a row when he couldn't even win one - how lost for legitimate arguments are you, where you have to justify his quality by pretending he won stuff with Man City that he didn't.
Marvin, let me guess... Drogba didn't win the Ballon d'Or because he was black?
Absolutely bang on always brings it back to that
drogba didn’t win the ballon dor because he wasn’t the best player simple
@@danieljohnson9995 to be fair there wasn't any shame in that, he finished behind Kaka, Ronaldo and messi
I think Pep is a greater tactician than Klopp but there's no better man-manager in football than Jurgen. Context matters in terms of achievement; yes, Liverpool spent 142 million on a keeper and a centre half but only because Coutinho. The argument that Liverpool have spent less is not that they haven't spent anything. The fact that Klopp has been able to consistently push and, at the time of writing, have a more varied trophy haul than Guardiola's City, is an achievement in itself. Regardless of who you think's better, it is undeniable that this is an era of a great Premier League rivalry. I mean, just look at the head 2 head.
how is he a better manager when his teams repeatedly burn out
Ancelloti is the best man manager in football. Bayern is a blip in a long career, but looking at how he's turned camavinga into a left back and maintained the team together despite the league running and going deep into the champions league again, he's that guy
Give Pep the current Liverpool squad and he’ll definitely do better than what Klopp is doing right now.
@Jorge Rivera-Mota Ancellotti didn't make the players play any better than they were. He just managed them as in played them in a more complementary way.
Benzema, Moriches, Kroos, Vini were already at their heights before he came. He just made them work more cohesively.
@@superguy1230 give klopp any of peps ManC teams and arguably Bayern and he has a few more champions leagues to his name
Remember Brian Clough. Did it with Derby and Forest.
Different time lol, he also took Forest down and look at them now.
@@StillAwesome21 he also won back to back European cups and knocked Liverpool off their perch for a while
What is this Arsenals fan’s problem with Klopp? I bet when it comes to Arteta, he gets over excited about Arteta’s ability and goes on and on about him. Klopp has achieved it all at LFC and on a fraction of the budget Pep has. Watch there be a Pep vs Arteta debate be done in a year or two and this Arsenal fan will back Arteta to the hilt when he’s nowhere near the levels of Kloppbor Pep.
Arteta got 150M
Klopp got 800M+
@@omaralkayal7598 klopp got 800 mil last summer ?? whaaaaaa
To me personally what Klopp has done with that Liverpool side has been far more impressive than what Pep has done with City. I don't see how a team can be praised hailed so much with no European cup and massive let downs in said tournament. Imo give Klopp that budget and he's dominating no doubt in my mind
i disagree. You are talking about Livepool like it's a mediocre club without history of top premier league footballers.
@@ThomDull I'm not sure how I'm saying that, all I'm referring to is what each manager has done
Graham Potter did a better job at Brighton than at Chelsea with lots of money, maybe Klopp is more suited to working at a club that needs a major rebuild
@@rohithraman6488 tbf Liverpool is needing a bit of a rebuild again atm haha. He's definitely the man I'd back to get them on track again
@@bats5972 How can you prove what would Klopp win this or that amount of money? How is that measurable? If you are referring to what each manager have done based on evidence (trophys, wins, goals...) then you are reading things upside down. Pep has inspired many today's elite manager all over the world and England. He changed the way of playing football in the country.
I mean... as the comments say. Klopp will always be the better manager. sure pep has won more trophies but look at how he's done it. he inherited the teams/money which if each season he slightly underperformed he could fix those problems easy. klopp has went into teams with limited money and broken teams and made them go onto win big and better things look at mainz. I think if pep went to leeds he would probably stress and quit after 2 seasons. Klopp when he has off seasons he's unlikely able to fix them in a window straight away. he has to take time and make enough money to fix the important problems
In terms of Premier league achievements, Klopp is exactly as good a manager as Claudio Ranieri.
@Ty Carne going by your logic most managers are like him because pep has been dominating the prem since he joined.
That comparison means nothing
Pep inherent aging team thta didn't won PL for two years. He sold most of them or incorporated in new system. When you talk about L'pool they are for decades in the top of PL league. You can't tell me that they were buying 2nd tier players for decades. So, L'pool had good players and good academy players for decades. This ridiculous argument that Pep should go to a "smaller" team prove himself is just bonkers.
I'd like to know why Peps disciples Arteta Kompany Xabi Alonso Xavi can do a lot with less why can't Pep?
People saying Liverpool spent on van dijk and alisson like fsg gave him money. We sold Coutinho our best player at that time to get that money.
Klopp is not top 5 managers in the entirety of football but Pep is.
Switched off when Geordie said Phillips was 50m. He was 42m but as usual, he never does any research and lies to suit his narrative. It’s no wonder everyone’s ditched him.
if it was Klopp who signed him, he'd be saying he's 30m
Pep is the football genius! And Klopp is an incredible man manager
Not so great this season.
A genius with £2billon 😂
Guardiola has managed Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Man City... 3 of the easiest jobs in football management because of recourses and club prestige. Why does no one ever talk about this?
U forgot to mention unlimited spending power huge bank account also ffp into hiding
This just ridiculous. Football is not basketball.
Guardiola lost games in CL that any other high level manager would won with the teams he managed. He lost in CL with Bayern against Atletico Madrid and with City against Lyon and Chelsea, also with both teams he lost against Real, who destroyed his Bayern 4:0 in Munich
Barca was fourth before Pep came, that job was not easy. All he had was credit from his time in Barca B, wow so great!. Bayern job is easy, but they don't have unlimited cash. He only ever broke the bank at City. Context is important, but all you guys' argument is linked to big clubs and names. Mention that part too.
what an absolutely stupid comment
Pep will never be the greatest ever unless he goes to a mid table team with a small budget and rebuilds them to champions. Dont compare to him to Alex Ferguson
Craig said take away the nuances... face palm
It's crazy we forget that Pep won the league playing without a regular striker and just did it after kicking both his LBs out... Pep is out of this world, take it or leave it. How many of you were rooting for Cancelo when Pep took him up. Journalists were writing about how Rodri was a failed Pep signing just two seasons ago. Pep refused to overpay for Sanchez, Maguire, Cucurella...
Monaco, Tottenham, Lyon, teams that have bounced Man City out of the Champions League. Dont put Pep and Ferguson on the same level. I am a Liverpool fan btw.
Guardiola is the GOAT but Klopp doesn’t have the same budget as him at Liverpool so he’s far more likely to have off-seasons.
yup Pep is the GOAT
Budget? He spent a fucking 800 Million or something at Liverpool
GOAT? Are you R Worded? There are at least 3 managers ahead of him
@@KevinDaGalera Ancelloti, Zidane, Ferguson, Wenger. All of them are at least better than him/ have won more.
@@Yoyo-sy5kl So true
Those two guys in the middle are incredibly dense. Pep could never achieve what Klopp did, with the same resources. It's crazy how comfortable they are, to be that disrespectful.
klopp is a small yes manager
@@jimmyjamescomputers8585 And yet he's accomplished more in 7 years, than you ever will in 10 life times.
Klopp ain’t in pep level tho that’s a fact
@@xphantom1177 No, that's what you call an opinion.
When having this debate I always look at this way, if pep became lfc manager instead of klopp and had to work on the same budget starting with the same squad would he have done better or worse
The same argument could be made the other way round too, just because you have all these resources doesn’t mean you can make the most of them. There are plenty of managers that make the step up in terms of player quality but can’t get the best out of them.
@@michaelcapper9019 klopp would have done just fine with Billions.
@Michael Capper and this is my point if the argument was reversed I can guarantee now klopp would have done just as good if not better than pep
@@michaelcapper9019 That's dumb, you're saying having less money makes your job easier - so why is Klopp asking for money now? Completely counter to logic
@@spinach-colour-joey6776 no I’m saying just having more money doesn’t mean he would have done better is not always true. Yes he could have done more with more money but that’s not guaranteed.
No manager in history has had the resources Pep has had available to him at city. It’s not just money to spend on players, the entire organisation is primed for success with unlimited funds. And he still hasn’t won the champions league.
United doesn't have resources, Chelsea doesn't have resources, Liverpool, Arsenal, Totenham. This is such a bullshit. City organisation is a well oiled machine and that is good thing not something you should point your finger and say "wtf is that how is that possible?".
Exactly and that is a massive failure on Pep's part that people just fail to acknowledge.
@@Jansk1h explain me logic behind this construction
Pep has 3 champions leagues
Pep has changed how football is played across the world. Split centr back and tiki taka and all that. He then came to England where everyone said you can't play like that in the Premier League and he did it. So much so that many clubs try to play like Pep's team.
Not to mention that he manages the egos of this big players, which is a whole other thing.
I think he does not get enough credit for it
He didn’t change football at all. He’s literally just copied and pasted everything he learned from Cruyff and used it with bigger and better teams and players. Pep is an egotistical little man who’s afraid of the slightest of criticism, hence why he’s stayed at City for so long to try and prove his critics wrong, which he still hasn’t. He will always be the most criticised manager in history, and deservedly so.
Peps Barcelona: Cheats! Bribed refs!
Peps Bayern: Farmers league, not difficult to win league with Bayern. Peps Man City: Cheats! Broke FFP rules over 100 times. What has Pep actually achieved?
Hahahahahaha....
@@ThomDull Don't think I didn't notice you avoided the question 😏
@@deancena Bcs it's trolling of highest order. And it's funny
It’s impossible to compare them. I personally am more impressed by Klopps jobb at Liverpool than Peps job at City, but both have done brilliantly.
And btw, «400m in attackers» is horseshit. It’s about 200m spent over 8 years (Firmino in 2015, Salah in 2017, Jota in 2020, Diaz and Nunez in 2022 and Gakpo in 2023). The fact that Pep can make a 50m flop signing in Phillips with zero repercussions tells a lot.
Why is Phillips flop? Guy needs time like many others who came to City. Grealish was flop last season.
@@ThomDull might not be a flop but 50 million quid for someone who obvs isn’t good enough to even get a sniff is a waste of money; for now.
Fergie beat Real Madrid with Aberdeen, don’t try and put Pep on his level hahaha
You are aware in those days only one team from each (UEFA) country could play in european cups?
These young arrogant fans should look up a former manager of Liverpool, Bob Paisley. The trophies he picked up in his time at the club, is staggering. Legend.
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Without Brian this show would have been horrendous. No knowledge at all.
Tends to be when klopp hasn't got bedsheet money. Cannot listen to people around a table who have the football knowledge of an Ant.
Pep has been manager of the favorites to win the champions league 10 out of the last 11 seasons (back to Bayern days) and hasn’t won a single one. Then his team goes out and spends 100 mil every summer
You see you are context to this discussion and people don’t like when you do that
Mourinho had all the money in the world managing a Real Madrid superteam with Ronaldo, Benzema, Ozil, Ramos, Casilla, Di Maria etc and kept getting totally spanked multiple times by a newly promoted Pep who built the greatest team of all time by promoting players like busquets from barcelona b.
Klopp brought two clubs back to the top of European football from being in the dark
I love Marvin but he has a howler today
he is one big howler
The £400 million on forwards is a terrible lack of research for a football show. Salah £35 mil, Firmino £29 mil, Jota £41 mil, Gakpo £40 mil, Núñez £64 mil, Diaz £37.5 mil which is £246.5 mil since Firmino joined in 2015 so an average of £30 mil a season spent on a forward since the first of those was signed. Klopp has always managed on a budget, he hasn’t always got it spot on but when we make a costly mistake it takes a couple of years to put it right.
If pep can win a European trophy with Aberdeen I’ll say he’s the best until then he can carry on spending 100s of millions to dope their way to trophies
Pep beat SAF United twice.
Pep buys superstars, Klopp creates them
pep "buys" superstars - ederson, walker, ake, Rodri, Dias, laporte, stones, kdb, fernandinho, bernardo silva, gundogan, sterling, sane, jesus, foden were superstars before pep? are you okay?
That's what they used to say about Arsene Wenger but nobody says he's better than Sir Alex.
Rubbish.
The amount of players pep has improved compared to Klopp is ridiculous
Which one, except Haaland?
U know what people don't say enough abt pep, his influence on the countries he has coached in
In every country Pep has coached he has made their national teams side better, when he was in spain. They won world and euro with his players. In Germany when he was coaching Bayern, they won world with his player and playing style just like in spain. English national team has improved because of his influence in England.
Pep changed the way football is played in the prem full stop. He was the driving force in the sale of play that made Spain so successful.
Some people just hate the man, but they will gladly take him if he comes to their club, the amount of influence Pep has in many teams in England is huge, every team in England wants to play Pep’s way, ever since Pep came to premier league every club is shopping for a goalkeeper that is good on the ball that was never a thing before 2016.
Agree with True Geordie, it’s like F1, if you have the best car because of money you clearly have an advantage even if talent is equal. (Not to mention that money wrecked the league balance)
True geordie: Pep has spent over 1 billion pounds at Manchester city over 7 seasons and still hasn't won the champions league
Craig:How much was Alvarez tho .😂😂😂
Klopp is clear of Guardiola it’s not even a debate , pep did great at barca bcz of the players even then he had some questionable defeats there especially in UCL failed at Bayern & spent 1B in City to win the same things that managers like mancini won
Pep doesn’t get enough credit. City have never ever dipped since Pep came. Not even once. His squad rebuilding and versatility is absolutely insane
Of course they've dipped under him. He hasn't won every single league since he's been here so he's dipped at times.
They haven't dipped - he's been given far more money than Klopp and most teams and yet hasn't won every title and has failed in the Champions League, how is that not a dip?
@@TheBenj30 City are always at the top an in the later stages of cups. in sport constancy is the mark of truly great team. you can't win every, game every time. Sport doesn't work that way.
@@ThomDull We know you can't win every game, but even bad teams have shown the ability to win the Champions League before Man City - he's spent well over a billion on a squad that had already won the Premiers League and since then, has only managed to win the Premier League, some seasons - just barely.
1 billion on a squad that won the Premier League and then failing to win the Champions League isn't the mark of a great manager.
The City team Pep inherited was poor.
Guy mentioned gerrard in the conversation of Messi
And it also had no relevance, if anyone actually explored it. Gerrard won every trophy available to him, except the PL and he was on the verge of winning that 3 or 4 times anyway (slip season, with rafa, 2001).
Started on third base and gets excited when he hits a home run comes to mind.
My guys, he's spent like a billion more than Klopp since 2012.
Be serious.
Guardiola is the GOAT.
@@Slim-Clips he's a fantastic manager. But you can't deny he's walked into monster teams everywhere he's been.
man city squad when pep joines was old and only had a few good players and pep turned it around with smart young signings not big nnames and made them the best prem team in 2 seasons
@@wesleylang172 Barca was fourth before Pep came lol, what monster team? Busquets played in the B team and Pep managed Barca B, not exactly the biggest credentials. Pep made them world beaters. Only world team was Bayern. City was good, but he had to overhaul the squad a lot, remember he finished fourth or third his first season.
@@StillAwesome21 this is again crazy talk.
The 2008/09 side was.
Victor valdes
Dani alves
Abidal
Puyol
Pique
Xavi
Yaya t
Iniesta
Eto
Messi MESSSSSSI
Henry
2004 - 2nd
2005-1st
2006- 1st & CL
2007-2nd
2008- 3rd CL semi
2009 - Pep 1st and CL
What part of this is not a dominant team?
Marvin trying to drop yet another racial critique in, tell me when drogba ever deserved to win a balon dor ffs 🤦🏻♂️
Klopp even managed Dortmund to a domestic Double & Back to back league titles against a much superior Bayern Munich team
Geordie saying winning doesn’t mean as much with money. I dont see that reflecting this season when they went from relegation threatened to CL qualification contenders.
The fact that klop has made it this conversation shows who is better pep spent billions
Players win Champions Leagues, systems AND players win you leagues.
Messi didn’t win a champions league with Bournemouth hence can’t be a GOAT
Literally nobody is saying Pep isn't a true great. The facts are that Klopp has had to operate with smaller budgets than Pep and put up with teams poaching his best players. Pep can keep refreshing his side easily, he has unlimited funds FFS. Klopp has to make signings where he can. He's also not helped by players who are more injured than they are available.
Geordie just hates City😂😂😂
Now they won a treble.
He can cry.
Serves him right😂😂😂
Im literally enjoying this video.
Klopp took a team in 10th and had to rebuild it. He took Dortmund over when they were 13th and took them to back to back titles. He is the last manager to have won the Bundesliga who wasn't a Bayern manager. What he has done at Liverpool has been incredible. Liverpool are *9th* in the net spend table since he took over. Pep has constantly failed in the champions league at MC and it's not like they got knocked out by top teams besides Liverpool and RM. Monaco? Lyon? Spurs?!! When Pep rebuilds a mid table side and wins big trophies with them we can talk then about who is better.
Brian just don't bother mate, dumb and dumber aren't gonna give it up.
I use to love this show but now a lot of people come on here and make points without knowing what the situation was, Liverpool HAD to buy Gakpo, their forward line was massively injured after the world cup because Jota was still out Diaz was supposed to be back but got injured again in training, and Firmino got injured, leaving them with just Nunez and Salah as the only forwards which isn’t nearly enough considering they had to deal with those injuries up until about late February, if they don’t sign Gakpo it would be way worse than what it is now, plus Firmino was getting old and there was already a feeling he would leave in the summer so it was also good for them to revamp the forward line by adding Gakpo
And again about the Pep Klopp debate, both are all time great managers, Pep has way more league titles than Klopp but rightfully so he’s been at the biggest clubs everywhere he’s worked at and has had a lot to work with, he came to city with Kdb, Toure, Aguero, Sterling, Kompany and a lot of other good players, Klopp came to Liverpool and the best player he had was a young Coutinho and he still made it work
From 2018 when Klopp reached the UCL final he’s reached the final twice since then and only missed out of either a disastrous season like 20-21 ans 2022-23, and 1 shock defeat by Atletico, plus the two finals he lost were against 2 incredible madrid sides the one of 2018 with a prime Cristiano ronaldo and the comeback kings of 2022 with a ballon dor winning Benzema, Pep has just 1 final to his name since 2011 and it was against a good chelsea side, not great and he still couldn’t beat em, I think they’re equal and don’t really think one is way better than the other, but if any I give the edge to Klopp, it’s slight margins otherwise Klopp would have 3 league titles because 2019 and 2022 could have gone either way and we’d be having a very different conversation
That sir Alex slander is awful pep will never compare to fergie ever facts
I cannot believe you guys trying to argue this. Pep is up there with the best of managers ever but klopp over him any day of the week. Yes Liverpool have spent money but klopp done it on a tighter budget to Pep and his challenged city for 4/5 years now and his taken them to 3 champions league final.
Raineri did it on an even tighter budget, with a 5000/1 team.
The fact that this channel is still pushing this debate...embarrassing Klopp fanboys
People really forget what Pep did with that Barcelona team. Created arguably the greatest club team in the history of the game with the majority of the team coming from La Masia (where he was before taking the manager role) and he made them into monsters.
He had prime Iniesta Xavi and Messi for fucks sake. He's always had the best squad in the league with unlimited budget. He hasn't built a thing, he's always come in to already established succesfull teams and then thrown millions on top to make them even more overpowered. He's the definition of a chequebook manager.
Iniesta was not in his prime when pep took over. Don't come with limited ball knowledge. Check his starting 11 at barca and tell me how much this 'chequebook manager' spent
@@AlphaPacino-fb3wz he was like 2 years away from winning a world cup so I think that probably is close enough to his prime for most people
Pep has had about 300 odd mil more in net spend than kloop at Liverpool. It's always helped by the fact Liverpool managed to sell Coutino for 140 mil and city always have to pay a premium to get any players.
And then compare the squad right now. Liverpool needs a full rebuild where as City can go with this squad slowly rebuilding and winning at the same time.
klopp could easily of got jobs with bayern,madrid or united where he would of had a lot more money to spend and won a lot more trophies,,but those type of jobs/clubs dont appeal to him
How can you know this?
@@ThomDull Hes literally said it
@@NLGNATHAN Well Klopp said that Pep is the best manager in the world. and not just him btw.
@@ThomDull of course he would say that... he's not gonna come out and says I'm the best.
@@NLGNATHAN ok, you think he doesn't do it bcs he (Klopp) is humble or something, and he says Pep is the best why? Why doesn't he say that about Eddie Howe or idk someone else. Why Pep? Or why anyone?
I think it'll be pretty much impossible for Pep overtake Sir Alex. He built an empire from a struggling club, he also beat Real Madrid in a European Cup final with Aberdeen and is still the last manager to win the league with a team that wasn't Rangers or Celtic.
Not really the moment he overtakes the amount of trophies he’s the GOAT
@@TRiXz_2K nothing pep has done can compare to what sir Alex single handily turned Man United into
Not the same real madrid
Oh give over, he managed the richest team in the country for the majority of his time there, exactly as pep does. And the state that Ferguson left united in was awful, he signed old players because he wanted a league before retiring, rather than leave the squad in a good place for the future.
@@Manunido Pep schooled Fergie twice
Going by this season you have to give it to Pep. He has changed City's system to accomodate the changing squad, instead of making them do the exact same thing as before. Being adaptable is a key trait managers have to have to stay at the top otherwise they get found out. Klopp's failure to adapt his system for the changes his team went through in the Summer is a big reason why Liverpool dropped off so much this season.
How is he supposed to adapt when he has the worst midfield of the top 10(current pl placements).
Every season Pep keep coming up with different type of play and other learn, problem with Klopp is that he’s playing the same pattern since he came to England and teams have found him out. Good for him he’s learning from Pep, now Arnold is playing midfield role just like John stones, Cancelo and walker for Man City.
Klopp is better than Pep. Anyone that thinks the opposite is just a Pep fanboy.
Peps a serial winning manager - yet he’s still to win the European cup with his 1.2 billion squad
Yes, that is what we called sport.
When performing analysis you need to look at the nuances. And due to those nuances the gap between Pep and Klopp is microscopic, no matter who you rate higher.
It's 23 points. How is that microscopic?
@@ThomDull what was it in UCL titles since joining there current teams?
Exactly if you can't have nuances what's the point of debating anything, everything is Black and white then. What a stupid thing to say.
If Pep came to United instead of City after Alex Ferguson left, then I would put him as the best manager of all time. Yes, he would get resources, but United were (and arguably still) in a mess after Gill and AF left. Seeing Pep doing a rebuild instead of walking into a top-tier Man City team (which he has improved, tbf).
Pep would have lasted 2 years max before he just got sick of dealing with the Glazers and left
Peps B team is a top 4 team, this comparison is ridiculous when city keep buying top players with oil money and Liverpool's owners can't spend the same way. Both managers are at the top of their game but when you buy all the best players its unfair to compare managers
I think Pep is so astronimicly clear it is Forced debate just like Messi vs Ronaldo debate its not close
Pep beat 2 of sir Alex's best Manchester teams in 2 finals for the champions league so yeah....
Pep didn't build those teams though. He inherited the team. Massive difference.
2009 yes but 2011 we didnt have Ronaldo or tevez and alot of our leaders were aging
@@ant9925 Barce finished fourth, Busquets was in the B team. What manager doesn't inherit a team? What is supposed to do? Not play them, like what is that dumb argument, every manager inherits a team and Pep made his world beaters.
@@ElWrighto They won in 2008, how much aging happened in 1 to 3 years?
@@StillAwesome21 2011 was the team i was talking about van der sar scholes Neville retired that year, vidic ferdinand and carrick now in their early thirties not to mention giggs pushing 40 playing games. A lesser team all round mostly
No acknowledgement of what Ferguson did with Aberdeen sums up how English centric this show is, embarrassing
Neither one is anywhere near finished. So the rivalry continues as far as I’m concerned 🤷🏽♂️ That being said, although I prefer Pep’s tactics. True Geordie’s point about Klopp doing more(or at least as much) with less does linger in the mind🤔
De Zerbi is doing more at Brighton with less budget than Liverpool, and Chelsea... If that's what "lingers" in your mind.
@@demeoo you know, I thought if I gave it some time I would cool off. However, I still want too linger on your jaw bone. A, Brighton are 7th what the fuck are you on about. B, yes the fact that has Klopp has accomplished just as much if not more, with a relatively significantly smaller budget is what lingers in my mind. Pep put forgiato’s on a Ferrari. While klopp refurbished a rusty 67 impala ss with no block, on bricks. It’s impressive 🤷🏽♂️
He will always be behind Ferguson because Ferguson did it organically and not with cheat money and that’s coming from a Liverpool fan.
That guy with the bald head doesn’t have a clue about football; the statistics he was using about Nunez price etc were completely false
the hypocrisy from Brian, Newcastle get bought and spend a fortune of money and then has the cheek to go after City and their spending once again. Get a life bro