💯 agree You can also say they had a good season finishing second BUT also bottled it. Enjoy 🥈 Arsenal fans and the CL league football next season but also take it in the Chin as the biggest Bottlers in Prem History…
i'm an arsenal fan and i agree. same with the season before. I think it's laughable that all the other big six fans expect arsenal to not get better next year. battling top four means lots of dropped points. getting in the 80's means minor hiccups and thats a big jump. another jump which arsenal have to make is to get 90s which is almost being perfect. this transfer window is key
2 things can be true simultaneously: 1. Arsenal overachieved this season based on preseason expectations and made legitimate progress to suggest they will contend in the future. 2. They BOTTLED an 8 pt lead entirely on their own and showed mental weakness in the run in once again.
That 8 point thing doesn't reflect the situation fully city did have a game in hand & home game against arsenal in reality it was 2 point but drawing to west ham, southampton & loss to forest is absoultely unforgivable in a title race
Not sure I'd call not being allowed to drop any points in 10 matches "relatively easy". Arsenal seriously capitulated, but they didn't really bottle anything because even at our peak, people expected City to go on an unbeaten run and catch up. Just look at the bookie odds at our peak. It's close to 50/50 for the title.
As a city fan, Klopp's liverpool 18/19 >>>> arteta's arsenal this season . I am more scared of liverpool coming for the title next season than arsenal. Klopp is a better manager, liverpool players have a winning mentality and salah is fcking brilliant.
I'm not even joking when I say that Liverpool are two quality midfielders and a defender away from doing a title charge next season. I'd still put City as favourites for fairly obvious reasons but look at how Liverpool bounced back from their disastrous injury crisis season to nearly completing a quadruple last year. They're certainly much closer to a league title than Arsenal (still can't cope with the pressure) and United (still in the early stages of a long term rebuild)
That’s not even a close comparison though, at the end of the season a better comparison would be Liverpool 13-14 vs this arsenal team and I’d still give that Liverpool team the edge because of the players they had. If we’re saying saka is arsenals current best player, he was the equivalent of sterling at the time. Arsenal dont have gerrard, Suarez or Sturridge playing at immensely high levels. This arsenal team overachieved, so that’s why I think they should be applauded rather than mocked. But the comparisons between this arsenal team vs any of liverpools title challenging teams under klopp are completely void. They’d blow this arsenal team out the water, same way city did this season, because they were as good as this city team. Liverpool played literally every game there is to play in club football last season and almost done the unthinkable 😂 people have selective memory
@@marcus8030 It was more of a 5 point lead, considering city had a game in hand. And liverpool had a 10 point lead over city in December 2018 so their lead was even bigger
@@SmokeKinz nope in 2018 man city had two games in hand, so it was barely any lead, if city had won their games in hand which they did the l lead was like 4 points, while Arsenal had a chance to go 11 points clear of man city when they were leading liverpool 2-0 and then you know the rest what happened
@@SmokeKinz when they had played the equal amount of games (19) the highest lead they had was 7pts. And they hadn’t played 3 of their most difficult games (away at city, away at utd, away at Everton (in the pissing rain)). That Liverpool side got 97pts and won the champions league. They didn’t faff around in the Europa league against bodo glimt. For perspective. The points difference between that Liverpool side that lost the league, and this arsenal side who bottled the league, is the same as the difference between arsenal and Newcastle this season.
The thing people forget about Liverpool missing out then winning the year after is a) it was by 1 point and they got 97 points. b) They won the champions league that year which gave them serious belief!
I still believe that the 2018-19 Liverpool side were more impressive than Arsenal's Invincibles. 1 loss, 97 points, and 2nd to one of the greatest sides in EPL history (18-19 Fourmidables) + UCL win.
You shouldn’t be comparing this Arsenal team to that Liverpool though, you should be comparing this Arsenal team to the Liverpool that came 4th under Klopp before they started challenging for the league.
Exactly. When Liverpool lost out on the league to City by a single point they still finished on 90 plus points and won other silverware in both those seasons. We lost out on the league both times because we dropped a couple of points around halfway through the season but we went on a crazy unbeaten run both times in April and May
@@miniman2132 Liverpool came 4th in the first full season with Klopp they got to a champions league final in his 2nd full season, they won the champions league and got 97 points in his 3rd full season. In his 4th full season they won the league with 99 points.
After seeing how much United struggled to play twice a week (WC didn't help) this season, you have to give Liverpool respect, they were so close against very strong competition!
@@mh4841 unfortunately they killed themselves in the process which is what you’ve seen this season. I’d like to see klopp get backed a little more bit I don’t reckon he will. For man uniteds sake you gotta hope they allow ten hag to get the players he needs, otherwise no one will catch this City team as long as pep is there
@@branaldinho yeah we did kill ourselves due to not moving players on an hanging onto them for sentiment reasons, and this isnt in the forward department, its all in the mid. And also lack of investment
@Brandon Parrant they killed themselves trying to win all before them, nothing wrong with that. In fact much to be admired considering Arsenal came up more short even though they pretty much only went for PL. Plus the the mismanagement of recruitment is not the fault of the team. Regarding United, they are being severly hampered... some people think the Glazers are ok because they sanction big spending, but all the transfers are done wrong, they overpay and delay the transfers to the point where the transfer can become a problem instead of a solution. I wish United did business like all the other clubs (in terms of getting things done on time and adequately).
@@mh4841 u made the best comment! Also, u can see utd sale by the Glazers handled exactly the way they handle transfers. They delay the sale of the club to the point where it is already a problem affecting our pursuit of summer signings/sales, therefore affecting next season plans. Instead of the sales being a solution, it is now a problem, affecting the clubs future.
Bhavs spoke really really well. I think he's probably one of the arsenal fans that understand where arsenal have been and where we want to reach and can eloquently express this.
I think there's plenty of reasons as to why things went wrong. People forget Saliba went out injured and that INSTANTLY marked a shift in the confidence in our defense. The quality difference was immense. The squad was already thin and then injuries happened and well, we're up against a stacked City squad. For me, it's obviously frustrating as a fan because of how great this season has been and a title win would have just capped it off beautifully but this is a young team that haven't been in this position before against a City team that has been there and that is very much a finished product. But I'm not worried about the future. Everyone always says every other team will improve except for Arsenal, but look at our progress. I'm still delighted with the season, filled with so many great moments and I have real belief for the future for the first time in a very long time.
Of course they bottled it, 2 goals up against Liverpool and west ham, dropping points against the southampton who were 20th, losing against your title rivals in the most one sided game ever. That has nothing to do with squad depth and everything to do with bottling.
Agreed 👍🏾 Do people even know what bottling it means? Being 248 days Top of the league or 93% of the season and still lose the title of the definition of bottling it
@@eldotjay But Marvin was the one who was giving it the biggun how Arsenal were now the new big cheese of the league and talked down to anyone who thought otherwise. Now Arsenal have bottled it he’s gone into hiding. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
@@eldotjay bhavs is a normal guy, marvin is a weapon who got aggressive with a fellow guest on this show whilst arrogantly claiming arsenal were better than everyone and saying Liverpool fans can't talk about the champions league.
@@inspire4179 but you used the term “typical Gooner” as if Marvin’s behaviour is endemic of the Arsenal supporting population. But you literally have the contrary in this same video. So it’s a false generalisation.
If everyone agrees that Arsenal bottled the title, then you have to talk about the age of the players and the collective experience. What team last won a title with a 24yo GK, a 22yo as your best CB, a 24yo captain CMF, and your two best attackers being 21yo? For me the talk shouldn't be "oh they bottled" it should be "damn, a spine of a team that YOUNG led the league for like 34 out of 38 weeks, that's mighty impressive."
1) Arsenal had a fantastic season Especially when No one thought they would even make Top 4 2) Arsenal 💯 bottled it This season is literally the definition of bottling it. Being 248 days Top the the league or 93% of the season and still lose the League by probably over 10 points is the definition of bottling it Fact is: Arsenal had BOTH a great season and Bottled it. Take it on the Chin and enjoy CL football next season
@@BnEplus2 Not an Arsenal fan so I have no emotional investment here. I just think with the age of the core of the team (and the lack of depth), they were more likely to NOT sustain their 1st place spot straight through to the end. I believe the 3 draws in a row, where they should've gotten at worst 7pts, effectively ended the title run for them. But this conversation about "bottling" is an easy, if not lazy take. Again, I think the more interesting question is how did a group so young get within touching distance of the title in the first place. Oh well.
ARSENAL 2004 was such a team right ? They went invincible and hold their nerves at the end of the season, the current ARSENAL players should be given tapes on how the bunch in 2004 did
I’m not the one to defend Man City, but Arsenal practically handed the title to them due to their failures. They had the chance to lose at the ethiad and still win the league (that’s how big of a point gap there was) and still bottled it.
How do you hand a title to a team that has won 12 league matches straight? Turn the West Ham and Southampton draws into wins, City would still be in first. Have Arsenal beat Nottingham, but City would STILL be first on goal difference. They were expected to drop points at Anfield and Etihad anyways so those are understandable.
Comparing Arsenal this year to Liverpool 18/19 is chalk & cheese, they got 97 points and won the Champion's league, there was a reason they came back the following year and walked the league at a canter. Arsenal have shown they crumble when the pressure gets too much, that Liverpool team did not.
💯 agree Arsenal crumbled or bottled it. Perhaps the biggest bottle job in Prem History being on Top of the league for 248 days. Liverpool were an elite team that truly challenged City to the Title. Arsenal with their pathetic last weeks of the season… were No real title challengers 👎🏾
15:30 ManU fan: we didn’t take them to the wire. That’s the point, we now know what is required. As good as we were throughout the season, all the miraculous comebacks, all the last minute goals, that wasn’t enough. We may not win, but this season has been valuable experience.
If you lead a race for 92% of the time, you’ve bottled it. If you gave me an 8 meter race whilst my competitors are doing a 100m I would 100% be bottling it if I didn’t win.
That's a stipid comparison. Arsenal had a 92 meter race vs a 100 meter race. As the most apt comparison. How does your analogy even fit the statement that came before it
@@MazzaProductions2019 last season Arsenal had a Top 4 first 11 but not a top 4 squad. This season Arsenal had a Title winning 11 but not a title winning squad. Personally I think you say “they’ve bottled it” because you’re too lazy to do any real analysis of the situation.
The answer ain’t squad depth. They’re first run of bad form came after losing in the FA cup, the second was after losing in Europa, they had one competition to play and they still bottled it. It’s all mentality.
@@Hinderz well then clearly they don’t have a top 4 squad since a top 4 squad would fight in multiple competitions, they decided not to yet they still bottled it. And two Injuries aren’t an excuse for blowing such a big lead and it definitely isn’t an excuse for losing and drawing to such inferior opposition.
“The League is not gonna stand still” I love that KG says that for every other club, but it doesn’t apply for Arsenal like they’ll have some kind of transfer ban.
No he's literally saying the opposite listen to him kid. What he's saying is all the good teams were horrible this year. So arsenal might go back down to 5th place
First time I’ve actually been able to read a comment section as an arsenal fan lol. All the other comment sections are just salty rival fans like Tottenham and Chelsea who aren’t even europe laughing about “the biggest bottle in history”. Us arsenal fans know we bottled it but that doesn’t really matter still wouldn’t trade positions or squads with anyone else in the leauge bar city so why should we care.
When Virgil Van Dijk gets injured… the drop off from Liverpool is significant and everyone understands When Saliba and Tomiyasu gets injured… “you can’t blame it on injuries” Logic?
Well absolutely yes 👍🏾 But still finished 🥈 just like Arsenal The difference is: Liverpool didn’t bottle it those seasons like Arsenal. They weren’t top of the league for 248 days or 93% of the whole season just to lose the title. Big Big difference
I'm a Liverpool fan and we had to steamroller the rest of league to put the distance needed between us and city to win it in 2019/20.... Things like that don't happen often
Kalvin Phillips isn't "kissing his career goodbye"! Smh. Were Rodri, Grealish, Mahrez, Stones, Silva, etc kissing their careers goodbye?? They all struggled & took time to adjust in their 1st season playing under Pep! Ntm, Kalvin dealt with injuries throughout this season. It's a process to break into the Manchester City 1st team. You must earn it! Guardiola is uncompromising! You must play the way he demands. Or you ride the bench. Kalvin Phillips will come good! Just like other Man City signings before him.
Agreed 👍🏾 Just like Grealish. Mahrez, Gundogan, Ake even Rodri… all had bad 1st seasons w City. But have come good since. These players need time to adapt to Pep and City’s style of play
The winning mentality is accepting failure and continuing to grow which the Arsenal squad has shown when they missed out on UCL the previous season and returned as title contenders. That shows a strong winners mentality by a young group of relatively inexperienced players to the title challenge.
Firstly, you can argue a thin squad. Secondly, the last two games had no bearing on the title race. City weren’t losing .. the Brighton game was competitive until they scored, then the air finally went out of the balloon, it confirmed what everyone had already accepted, there was nothing left to play for.
@@miniman2132 Well what is "the air going out the balloon" if it's not mentality? Thin squad sure. But 9 from 24 is more than just thin squad. They couldn't beat Forrest or Southampton. They got destroyed by Brighton.
@@adtastic1533 you can question their mentality, sure, but my point is that if your critique is only to say “they bottled it” then you’re suggesting their recent form was ONLY down to a weak mentality .. which you further tried to hammer home by saying “you can’t argue a thin squad”. The concept of teams not performing their best when there is nothing left to play for isn’t exactly new or controversial though is it? Of course I’d love a team of 11 players who never drop off even 1% even when all hope is lost but, can any team claim to have that? Bottle job is just a word for people who, in my opinion, can’t have a nuanced debate about football.
Because we’re in our first season under a new manager in a league he’s never been in before this season , not rocket science also how many trophies did you win this year
Every rival opinion on Arsenal "I don't see Arsenal doing it cause everyone gonna improve" so Arsenal not going to improve like everyone else and it is always a united fan wow the logic...
It started at Anfield. The manager said he prepared especially for that stadium… and they still let it get to them. The players went into that game as league leaders but acted like league winners.. the clearest sign of that was Xhaka and his attitude.. no reason to poke the fire at 2 0 up… but he thought he had already won the league… No winners in the team.. and now it is a team of bottlers.. next season will be tough for those players
That’s the competition now, city have built a huge squad of winners in ability, numbers and mindset, which isn’t easy to do even with the money, and actually last season city spent a lot less than most prem teams in the transfer window. Arsenal had some ability, but not enough squad depth and experience when injuries came in and they crumbled under the pressure. Football is different now, man utd were consistently winning leagues on less points than Arsenal have bottled the league on, so Arsenal fans have got to be proud and build on the success next season 👍
Yeah but quality in squad depth that is almost unheard of in football, de bruyne was regularly on bench at one point to force him to up his game, that’s the level of city’s back up and bench, most even top 6 teams have average squad players or reserve players to build numbers, that’s the difference
How is it that everyone (City, Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea and NU) will improve but arsenal won't. Transfer window hasn't even started yet. I get Liverpool will be back but how can you say Chelsea will be back (this isn't Romans Chelsea). Man U will only get better "IF" they get Kane. Newcastle is pretty much in the same conversation as arsenal.
Too many mental gymnastics are going on, people doing all sorts to predict next season it’s funny 😂 why can’t arsenal improve on this season when they have shown evidence of progression year on year? Last season finished on 65 points ish so they made 20 points gain on that with a good 11. Bhavs point is true with about 4 versatile signings they can definitely build on that further it’s a young team. All depends on recruitment and budget. I personally think next season Chelsea won’t make it higher than 5th & united won’t progress as people are expecting. Only Liverpool have the capability of making that leap once more. Either way City is winning it again & everyone else is fighting for second place. Arsenal should prioritise cups and they’ll acc win 1 or 2. Especially if they get on a favourable draw in the ucl like the Italian sides anything is possible lmao.
Once Saliba and Tomiyasu were injured it was over. It shutdown our right side, dropped our defensive line, and we started shipping goals which we didn’t in the first half of the season. Perhaps in hindsight a formation change might have helped but that’s a gamble Arteta decided not to make 🤷🏼♂️
City won for the same reason they beat Liverpool over and over. The squad has had so much money spent and spent well that the rotation is seamless. Every other team has to ply the same starting 11 to compete and they just burn out
Arsenal didn’t just bottle it, they had the biggest bottlejob in PL history. They led the league for 95% Of the season. And there is shame in it you had an 8 pt lead.
Don't give them the title of biggest bottle job. That's one of the few things Newcastle can claim. 12 point lead spunked away in 96? That title is ours & you're not giving it away 🤣🤣🏴🏳️
We are pathetic club. So not biggest bo ttlejob when everybody knew we are not serious mid club it would always happend. No one is suprised. We are finished as s top club, just another Everton.
It was a 8 point with city having a game in hand and Arsenal left to play city at ethihad and Liverpool at Anfield... so a draw at Liverpool and loss at City would lose the league.. although I do agree we botled it In a bigger fashion than that..😂
@@awfan221 forget that season even this season they were one point above city in February after that rashford offside controversy game.. and see the gap now between them two.. United fans forget how big of a bottlejobs they have been this season 😂
I like how he said that the only team that knows how to go toe to toe with City and beat them is Arsenal and Liverpool. I’m sorry when have Arsenal beat city?
So many over opinionated drama queens. Arsenal didn’t bottle it. Yes you can call it that if you’re a drama queen. Arsenal succumbed to the pressure due to a lack of experience and being a youthful inexperienced team. Of course it’s disappointing for the fans but this is exactly my point. Modern day fans or a lot of them act like petulant brats and they throw tantrums and go way over the top in the criticism. Real fans are more balanced in their criticism and real fans support their team in bad weather as well as in good weather. Get a grip arsenal fans.
The notion that we won't make top 4 next season is crazy to me. no two ways about it, this season we were the 2nd best team in the prem. I understand that it will be competitive next year but we shouldn't be viewed as hopefuls but rather favourites, even with this poor ending to the season
@@cluckingbell1772 fatigue is still fatigue. Lol, I don't know which season you were watching, we played more than one game a week for 75% of it. Lol... I can feel your hate for Arsenal from two planets away, 🤣🤣🤣 looks like we are back. I miss this level of hate. The fact that none Arsenal fans are touched by this result to our season, is just beautiful.
Arsenal definitely bottled it! It was there for the taking, they were 8 points clear! They drew to West ham (after going 2x0 up in 10 mins) and Southampton, and now lost to Nottingham Forrest!
This is just a view without any context or nuance. Arsenal had played a game extra all season, the fixtures were friendly for Arsenal (hadn’t played Liverpool, Newcastle, City away) and the Queens death pushed back the City game at the Emirates to the second half of the season. It was points on the board, sure, but City were always primed to catch up. With that points total I said to myself if Arsenal take points off City they would win the title … they didn’t, and low and behold the title wasn’t theirs.
cant be acting like arteta is now a challenge for pep and calling him the next klopp is so disrespectful to klopp im a city fan and hate liverpool but theres levels even when city and liverpool face eachother you feel its a huge game a title decider a close game but its not with arsenal and arteta they havent beaten us i dont think once under arteta hes no challenger yet i always said to friends during the 90+% of arsenal at the top you arent champions until you face the champions
i hate the conversations like "there going to better" "chelsea got poch" "Newcastle will be better" Same thing said start of this season, "spurs got conte and good window", "chelsea have spent loads helping tuchel" "liverpool bought a 100m striker" Success aint linear and some teams will stumble like all of football history, so to say the comp is going to be significantly harder isnt neccesarily gonna be true
crazy how only a few weeks ago we were 12 points ahead of city and we would still have won even if they beat us.. smh how tf can we draw and lose to teams so far beneath us
@@linadbouk9305 infrared fan pressure as they’ve raised their expectations will be the reason arsenal will crumble next season. if you had any comprehension skills you’d probs be able to understand
Arsenal fan here, I actually fear that we will fall out of the top 4 after not being able to sign the players we want in the summer window. As per usual!
It's two or three vital injuries at the worst time of the season, mainly because of the lack of rotation. People can say it's a mental thing but one of the biggest factors on mental state is exhaustion, and I believe we were physically and mentally exhausted due to playing the same XI week in week out for months. The losses of Saliba and Tomiyasu in the same fucking game were comically brutal. And the same thing happened last year where during the stretch run we lost Tierney, Tomiyasu, Partey AND Ben White. Until we can find a way to rotate properly and keep our whole squad fit and firing into the last two months of the season, this will keep happening. But I think we will address it this summer and be ready to go for next year. I have faith in Mikel and the team.
I think it came down to squad depth. Most of Arsenal starting 11 played every game or most games. Rarely any changes in the team cos we don't have the same squad depth as City. No1 does tbh. Mikel needs to make sure he get quality additions in areas so players like Saka, Saliba, White get rest times so they can be fitted throughout the season and not gas out
They conceded in the first minute of a game twice! Was that Bournemouth and Southampton, if memory serves. You have a mountain to climb, and the game hasn't started!
We are not team that would get 95 points, thT would never happend. And we needed that to win it. So after Liverpool draw, there wasnt even a point to play, everybody give up.
its all relative / wolves basically portugal and nottingham spent more money than all of serie A // its a tough league // arsenal ran out of gas / it dont matter if it was bournemouth or the galacticos themselves / this was a simple issue of legs / against city its a game of attrition.
If a team finished with 84 points max in recent years, they wouldn't have even been considered title challengers. Its like saying you did well because you were the 2nd best in a boxing match.
chances are this Arsenal ends up with 84 Points which is 10 more points and 5 more wins than Utd did in the season you are referring to , but a better question would be, if both teams had the exact same points which team has a better chance of achieving something similar , which team is most likely to pass the casual observers eye test etc, one thing that also skews things a little bit is the element of surprise but Arsenal pulled off a similar run last season after losing their first 3 games with a physically declining Lacazette as their only outlet P26 W 18 D3 L5 2.16 PPG, once April came around they dropped off.
As an arsenal fan I believe we'll finish 3rd and maybe quarters of champions league. Need another year and summer to compete seriously with the the best team by 100 miles
Tactically pep is constantly being forced to evolve and even learn from his diciples / but none of them have ever had wat he has had at city / if klopp were to get the sack and find himself at newcastle with a blank check and a 6 year contract / i promise you pep will be sweating / if boehly can find a manager bigger than all the superstars he hopes to bring in / if psg get zidane and his stars actually defend and organize for him / pep will be sweating / newcastle might get nagelsmen and bring in another progressive pressing manager with real money and fresh ideas into the occasion too
And he wasn't trying to be to clever. He was trying to rotate his paper thin squad. The catastrophe game that cost us Saliba and Tomiyasu was that fucking miserable Europa League game against Sporting. Never want to see that goddamn competition again.
Good question 🤔 Arsenal fans need to realize that they had BOTH a good season and bottled it. They need to take it on the Chin as the biggest bottlers in Prem History AND enjoy CL football next season
KG's right though. Bhavs is a twat on the defensive. "Yeah cos you would know, innit?" Mate....comparing United to Arsenal, at this moment in time, is an insult to Arsenal and a compliment to United. United shouldn't be in that conversation, this is Ten Hag's 1st season in charge and Arteta's 4th. You should be challenging for the title, United should be challenging for the top 4. For a brief period though, we were being mentioned as contenders but that was back in February. Being in the running in February doesn't matter nearly as much as it does in May. Our form suffered as we fell away just as Arsenal's did. We'll take finishing in the top 4, with a trophy and possibly 2 and in August, we start again.
Bro, if a sprinter loses to prime Usain Bolt in a 200m race after having a 10m lead in the first 100m of the race, would that be a bottle job? I doubt it.
How they can be so deluded to not think it counts as a bottle job is beyond me. Yes they have been good this season, but that doesnt mean they haven't bottled it just because they still overachieved. If you give a homeless person £1,000,000 and they are on the streets 2 days later, they fucked up.
Here's the only correct answer:
Arsenal have overachieved this season but they bottled the title.
💯 agree
You can also say they had a good season finishing second BUT also bottled it.
Enjoy 🥈 Arsenal fans and the CL league football next season but also take it in the Chin as the biggest Bottlers in Prem History…
Overachiving is worse insult than bottling. I hope we didnt over achive, if we did, Arsenal become midtable joke club.
i'm an arsenal fan and i agree. same with the season before. I think it's laughable that all the other big six fans expect arsenal to not get better next year. battling top four means lots of dropped points. getting in the 80's means minor hiccups and thats a big jump. another jump which arsenal have to make is to get 90s which is almost being perfect. this transfer window is key
2 things can be true simultaneously:
1. Arsenal overachieved this season based on preseason expectations and made legitimate progress to suggest they will contend in the future.
2. They BOTTLED an 8 pt lead entirely on their own and showed mental weakness in the run in once again.
Correct
That 8 point thing doesn't reflect the situation fully city did have a game in hand & home game against arsenal in reality it was 2 point but drawing to west ham, southampton & loss to forest is absoultely unforgivable in a title race
@@Daniel_ss4 correct I worded it that way to make the point that they could’ve lost to City and still fairly comfortably won the league
Not sure I'd call not being allowed to drop any points in 10 matches "relatively easy".
Arsenal seriously capitulated, but they didn't really bottle anything because even at our peak, people expected City to go on an unbeaten run and catch up. Just look at the bookie odds at our peak. It's close to 50/50 for the title.
They never really had an 8 point lead. City had 2 games in hand at that point.
As a city fan, Klopp's liverpool 18/19 >>>> arteta's arsenal this season . I am more scared of liverpool coming for the title next season than arsenal. Klopp is a better manager, liverpool players have a winning mentality and salah is fcking brilliant.
I'm not even joking when I say that Liverpool are two quality midfielders and a defender away from doing a title charge next season. I'd still put City as favourites for fairly obvious reasons but look at how Liverpool bounced back from their disastrous injury crisis season to nearly completing a quadruple last year. They're certainly much closer to a league title than Arsenal (still can't cope with the pressure) and United (still in the early stages of a long term rebuild)
Lol that’s such an obvious statement 😂
Klopp 18/19 would beat arsenal 5-0 minimum. Home or away.
Yeah when that Liverpool team clicks it’s gna be a long day for the rest of the league
That’s not even a close comparison though, at the end of the season a better comparison would be Liverpool 13-14 vs this arsenal team and I’d still give that Liverpool team the edge because of the players they had. If we’re saying saka is arsenals current best player, he was the equivalent of sterling at the time. Arsenal dont have gerrard, Suarez or Sturridge playing at immensely high levels. This arsenal team overachieved, so that’s why I think they should be applauded rather than mocked.
But the comparisons between this arsenal team vs any of liverpools title challenging teams under klopp are completely void. They’d blow this arsenal team out the water, same way city did this season, because they were as good as this city team. Liverpool played literally every game there is to play in club football last season and almost done the unthinkable 😂 people have selective memory
That’s obvious they would smoke this Arsenal team , even the spurs team that finished 2nd under poch would of beat this arsenal team
They bottled it because it was too emotional for them and crumbled under that pressure, whereas for Manchester city it was business as usual.
It’s been emotional the whole way that didn’t affect the team. The evidence was salibas injury and a lack of adaptability to play without him.
*illegal business as usual
@@Dasni12 allegedly
KG all big talk but he went into hiding when united lost to Arsenal 😂 absolute goof man
Na they're just a better squad with twice the depth and experience
I love the Arsenal rep btw, he's speaking straight facts, even Liverpool had a year where they found their footing before they competed
What does Liverpool have to do with Arsenal bottling a 8 point lead be 7 points behind?
@@marcus8030 It was more of a 5 point lead, considering city had a game in hand. And liverpool had a 10 point lead over city in December 2018 so their lead was even bigger
@@SmokeKinz nope in 2018 man city had two games in hand, so it was barely any lead, if city had won their games in hand which they did the l lead was like 4 points, while Arsenal had a chance to go 11 points clear of man city when they were leading liverpool 2-0 and then you know the rest what happened
@@SmokeKinz when they had played the equal amount of games (19) the highest lead they had was 7pts. And they hadn’t played 3 of their most difficult games (away at city, away at utd, away at Everton (in the pissing rain)). That Liverpool side got 97pts and won the champions league. They didn’t faff around in the Europa league against bodo glimt.
For perspective. The points difference between that Liverpool side that lost the league, and this arsenal side who bottled the league, is the same as the difference between arsenal and Newcastle this season.
The thing people forget about Liverpool missing out then winning the year after is a) it was by 1 point and they got 97 points. b) They won the champions league that year which gave them serious belief!
I still believe that the 2018-19 Liverpool side were more impressive than Arsenal's Invincibles. 1 loss, 97 points, and 2nd to one of the greatest sides in EPL history (18-19 Fourmidables) + UCL win.
You shouldn’t be comparing this Arsenal team to that Liverpool though, you should be comparing this Arsenal team to the Liverpool that came 4th under Klopp before they started challenging for the league.
Exactly. When Liverpool lost out on the league to City by a single point they still finished on 90 plus points and won other silverware in both those seasons. We lost out on the league both times because we dropped a couple of points around halfway through the season but we went on a crazy unbeaten run both times in April and May
@@miniman2132 Liverpool came 4th in the first full season with Klopp they got to a champions league final in his 2nd full season, they won the champions league and got 97 points in his 3rd full season. In his 4th full season they won the league with 99 points.
@@joebarnes100 so what’s your point?
I appreciate the man united guy giving Liverpool an ounce of respect for what they did. You don’t normally see that
After seeing how much United struggled to play twice a week (WC didn't help) this season, you have to give Liverpool respect, they were so close against very strong competition!
@@mh4841 unfortunately they killed themselves in the process which is what you’ve seen this season. I’d like to see klopp get backed a little more bit I don’t reckon he will. For man uniteds sake you gotta hope they allow ten hag to get the players he needs, otherwise no one will catch this City team as long as pep is there
@@branaldinho yeah we did kill ourselves due to not moving players on an hanging onto them for sentiment reasons, and this isnt in the forward department, its all in the mid. And also lack of investment
@Brandon Parrant they killed themselves trying to win all before them, nothing wrong with that. In fact much to be admired considering Arsenal came up more short even though they pretty much only went for PL. Plus the the mismanagement of recruitment is not the fault of the team. Regarding United, they are being severly hampered... some people think the Glazers are ok because they sanction big spending, but all the transfers are done wrong, they overpay and delay the transfers to the point where the transfer can become a problem instead of a solution. I wish United did business like all the other clubs (in terms of getting things done on time and adequately).
@@mh4841 u made the best comment! Also, u can see utd sale by the Glazers handled exactly the way they handle transfers. They delay the sale of the club to the point where it is already a problem affecting our pursuit of summer signings/sales, therefore affecting next season plans. Instead of the sales being a solution, it is now a problem, affecting the clubs future.
4:54 KG confirming why he’s the best 😂😂
Bhavs spoke really really well. I think he's probably one of the arsenal fans that understand where arsenal have been and where we want to reach and can eloquently express this.
Bro the guy had so much chat when they were top get off his meat
haha hes an absolute clown who has no idea what hes on about
I think there's plenty of reasons as to why things went wrong. People forget Saliba went out injured and that INSTANTLY marked a shift in the confidence in our defense. The quality difference was immense. The squad was already thin and then injuries happened and well, we're up against a stacked City squad. For me, it's obviously frustrating as a fan because of how great this season has been and a title win would have just capped it off beautifully but this is a young team that haven't been in this position before against a City team that has been there and that is very much a finished product. But I'm not worried about the future. Everyone always says every other team will improve except for Arsenal, but look at our progress.
I'm still delighted with the season, filled with so many great moments and I have real belief for the future for the first time in a very long time.
Of course they bottled it, 2 goals up against Liverpool and west ham, dropping points against the southampton who were 20th, losing against your title rivals in the most one sided game ever. That has nothing to do with squad depth and everything to do with bottling.
I think Liverpool 7 nil over United was the most one sided games ever
Agreed 👍🏾
Do people even know what bottling it means?
Being 248 days Top of the league or 93% of the season and still lose the title of the definition of bottling it
I notice Marvin STILL doesn’t have the balls to show his face on the Kick Off after Arsenal BOTTLED the title. Typical Gooner.
But Bhavs is on the show. Who also happens to be a Gooner?
@@eldotjay But Marvin was the one who was giving it the biggun how Arsenal were now the new big cheese of the league and talked down to anyone who thought otherwise. Now Arsenal have bottled it he’s gone into hiding. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
@@eldotjay bhavs is a normal guy, marvin is a weapon who got aggressive with a fellow guest on this show whilst arrogantly claiming arsenal were better than everyone and saying Liverpool fans can't talk about the champions league.
@@inspire4179 but you used the term “typical Gooner” as if Marvin’s behaviour is endemic of the Arsenal supporting population. But you literally have the contrary in this same video. So it’s a false generalisation.
@@eldotjay Bhavvs is just weak and stuck up Artetas ring
If everyone agrees that Arsenal bottled the title, then you have to talk about the age of the players and the collective experience. What team last won a title with a 24yo GK, a 22yo as your best CB, a 24yo captain CMF, and your two best attackers being 21yo?
For me the talk shouldn't be "oh they bottled" it should be "damn, a spine of a team that YOUNG led the league for like 34 out of 38 weeks, that's mighty impressive."
1) Arsenal had a fantastic season
Especially when No one thought they would even make Top 4
2) Arsenal 💯 bottled it
This season is literally the definition of bottling it. Being 248 days Top the the league or 93% of the season and still lose the League by probably over 10 points is the definition of bottling it
Fact is: Arsenal had BOTH a great season and Bottled it.
Take it on the Chin and enjoy CL football next season
@@BnEplus2 Not an Arsenal fan so I have no emotional investment here. I just think with the age of the core of the team (and the lack of depth), they were more likely to NOT sustain their 1st place spot straight through to the end. I believe the 3 draws in a row, where they should've gotten at worst 7pts, effectively ended the title run for them. But this conversation about "bottling" is an easy, if not lazy take. Again, I think the more interesting question is how did a group so young get within touching distance of the title in the first place. Oh well.
ARSENAL 2004 was such a team right ?
They went invincible and hold their nerves at the end of the season, the current ARSENAL players should be given tapes on how the bunch in 2004 did
I’m not the one to defend Man City, but Arsenal practically handed the title to them due to their failures. They had the chance to lose at the ethiad and still win the league (that’s how big of a point gap there was) and still bottled it.
Defend the City from winning the title? 😄
How do you hand a title to a team that has won 12 league matches straight? Turn the West Ham and Southampton draws into wins, City would still be in first. Have Arsenal beat Nottingham, but City would STILL be first on goal difference. They were expected to drop points at Anfield and Etihad anyways so those are understandable.
Not true in the slightest.
Comparing Arsenal this year to Liverpool 18/19 is chalk & cheese, they got 97 points and won the Champion's league, there was a reason they came back the following year and walked the league at a canter. Arsenal have shown they crumble when the pressure gets too much, that Liverpool team did not.
💯 agree
Arsenal crumbled or bottled it. Perhaps the biggest bottle job in Prem History being on Top of the league for 248 days.
Liverpool were an elite team that truly challenged City to the Title. Arsenal with their pathetic last weeks of the season… were No real title challengers 👎🏾
Sometimes playing relegation teams is harder than playing teams at top. They playing for their life.
Thats copium, they are fighting relegation for a reason
@@g0TdAmNiT yh doesnt mean games arent tough..😆😆
@@musharafhussain2316 doesn't change the fact that Arsenal bottled the league either
@@g0TdAmNiT but they are fighting for their lives and we underestimated Southampton heavily
@@musharafhussain2316 it means they Not as tough as against teams at the top though 👍logic at the most basic level shows this
15:30 ManU fan: we didn’t take them to the wire.
That’s the point, we now know what is required. As good as we were throughout the season, all the miraculous comebacks, all the last minute goals, that wasn’t enough.
We may not win, but this season has been valuable experience.
Those mean nothing you failed this season no trophies your 2016 Spurs
@@marcus8030 next year you gonna be in for a tough fight there is no World Cup.
@@5starathlete804 What? You guys are Failures why are you giving off warning
If you lead a race for 92% of the time, you’ve bottled it. If you gave me an 8 meter race whilst my competitors are doing a 100m I would 100% be bottling it if I didn’t win.
That's a stipid comparison. Arsenal had a 92 meter race vs a 100 meter race. As the most apt comparison. How does your analogy even fit the statement that came before it
@@chuksieabani1856 Arsenal bottled it once again, first top 4 last season, now this. Arteta is a fair weather manager that crumbles once it rains
@@MazzaProductions2019 last season Arsenal had a Top 4 first 11 but not a top 4 squad. This season Arsenal had a Title winning 11 but not a title winning squad.
Personally I think you say “they’ve bottled it” because you’re too lazy to do any real analysis of the situation.
@@miniman2132or maybe that's cuz u know.... they bottled it
City have won 15 in a row. Is that close to a record. Of course they are likely to be overtaken with that in 2nd
The answer ain’t squad depth. They’re first run of bad form came after losing in the FA cup, the second was after losing in Europa, they had one competition to play and they still bottled it. It’s all mentality.
you can’t possibly deny that they have a squad depth problem
We started dropping points after saliba and his backup tomiyasu got injured. It's not a coincidence
@@pgnoxy4564 So burn the club down if 1 or 2 player injury cost title . you delusional bunch.
Lol it’s clearly a squad issue. It was a squad issue last year, we’ve improved but the issues are still there. Arsenal have a top 4 squad.
@@Hinderz well then clearly they don’t have a top 4 squad since a top 4 squad would fight in multiple competitions, they decided not to yet they still bottled it. And two Injuries aren’t an excuse for blowing such a big lead and it definitely isn’t an excuse for losing and drawing to such inferior opposition.
Short Answer: Squad Depth.
Longer Answer: Massively Overachieving later hampered by squad depth.
Squad depth, they play one game a week😂
injuries 🤦
“The League is not gonna stand still” I love that KG says that for every other club, but it doesn’t apply for Arsenal like they’ll have some kind of transfer ban.
Well, our problem is depth but we are selling all the depth. Starting maybe be better(it really wont) but the depth will be even worse.
No he's literally saying the opposite listen to him kid.
What he's saying is all the good teams were horrible this year. So arsenal might go back down to 5th place
How can you miss the point this much....
You sign bang average players, that's why
@@kin9_derp952 did you actually understand what the original post meant?
First time I’ve actually been able to read a comment section as an arsenal fan lol. All the other comment sections are just salty rival fans like Tottenham and Chelsea who aren’t even europe laughing about “the biggest bottle in history”. Us arsenal fans know we bottled it but that doesn’t really matter still wouldn’t trade positions or squads with anyone else in the leauge bar city so why should we care.
When Virgil Van Dijk gets injured… the drop off from Liverpool is significant and everyone understands
When Saliba and Tomiyasu gets injured… “you can’t blame it on injuries”
Logic?
It's the 'Haters gonna hate' logic 🤷♀️
this whole conversation just highlights how well liverpool did to get 97, 99 and 93 points even with the pressure of city
Well absolutely yes 👍🏾
But still finished 🥈 just like Arsenal
The difference is: Liverpool didn’t bottle it those seasons like Arsenal. They weren’t top of the league for 248 days or 93% of the whole season just to lose the title. Big Big difference
@@BnEplus2 liverpool also finished those seasons on huge winstreaks unlike arsenal
I'm a Liverpool fan and we had to steamroller the rest of league to put the distance needed between us and city to win it in 2019/20.... Things like that don't happen often
The Arsenal fan is really solid i think
Kalvin Phillips isn't "kissing his career goodbye"! Smh. Were Rodri, Grealish, Mahrez, Stones, Silva, etc kissing their careers goodbye?? They all struggled & took time to adjust in their 1st season playing under Pep! Ntm, Kalvin dealt with injuries throughout this season. It's a process to break into the Manchester City 1st team. You must earn it! Guardiola is uncompromising! You must play the way he demands. Or you ride the bench. Kalvin Phillips will come good! Just like other Man City signings before him.
Agreed 👍🏾
Just like Grealish. Mahrez, Gundogan, Ake even Rodri… all had bad 1st seasons w City. But have come good since.
These players need time to adapt to Pep and City’s style of play
The winning mentality is accepting failure and continuing to grow which the Arsenal squad has shown when they missed out on UCL the previous season and returned as title contenders. That shows a strong winners mentality by a young group of relatively inexperienced players to the title challenge.
Not accepting failure.. Learning from failure
The still haven’t owned that they bottle it this is why I know they will fail to win anything next season
@@marcus8030The players or the fans? I think the players have and so they should. Its the fans that need to acknowledge it!
@@warrengrant2992 The players haven’t owned it either Ramsdale came out with absolute waffle
@@warrengrant2992 They literally had a dog come in for PR they are losers
I like this arsenal fan. Seems level headed
You clearly haven’t seen enough of him then…
@@pedroneves3153Pedrooo. CHELSEA CHELSEA CHELSEA
Liverpool are close to agreeing terms with 24-year-old Brighton and Argentina midfielder Alexis Mac Allister
I wouldnt have said Arsenal bottled it until the last 2 games. But 9pts out of 24, you cant argue a thin squad. Mentality definitely came into it.
Firstly, you can argue a thin squad. Secondly, the last two games had no bearing on the title race. City weren’t losing .. the Brighton game was competitive until they scored, then the air finally went out of the balloon, it confirmed what everyone had already accepted, there was nothing left to play for.
@@miniman2132 “ nothing to play for “ man shut up bottlejobs, 8 points clear to 10 points behind 😂😂
@@miniman2132 Well what is "the air going out the balloon" if it's not mentality? Thin squad sure. But 9 from 24 is more than just thin squad. They couldn't beat Forrest or Southampton. They got destroyed by Brighton.
@@adtastic1533 you can question their mentality, sure, but my point is that if your critique is only to say “they bottled it” then you’re suggesting their recent form was ONLY down to a weak mentality .. which you further tried to hammer home by saying “you can’t argue a thin squad”.
The concept of teams not performing their best when there is nothing left to play for isn’t exactly new or controversial though is it?
Of course I’d love a team of 11 players who never drop off even 1% even when all hope is lost but, can any team claim to have that?
Bottle job is just a word for people who, in my opinion, can’t have a nuanced debate about football.
It's just a multitude of things. I don't think you can point to one single reason.
To the United fan
Let me ask you, how did you bottle being 3 points behind City?
Because we’re in our first season under a new manager in a league he’s never been in before this season , not rocket science also how many trophies did you win this year
They bottled because it went from dream to expectation and they couldn't handle the pressure
West Ham's Declan Rice is a transfer target for Bayern Munich
Every rival opinion on Arsenal "I don't see Arsenal doing it cause everyone gonna improve" so Arsenal not going to improve like everyone else and it is always a united fan wow the logic...
Brian, it’s * NOTTINGHAM Forest, cheers big man 👊
It started at Anfield.
The manager said he prepared especially for that stadium… and they still let it get to them.
The players went into that game as league leaders but acted like league winners.. the clearest sign of that was Xhaka and his attitude.. no reason to poke the fire at 2 0 up… but he thought he had already won the league…
No winners in the team.. and now it is a team of bottlers.. next season will be tough for those players
how are your players tired when they’ve had 1 game a week for 2 years straight
That’s the competition now, city have built a huge squad of winners in ability, numbers and mindset, which isn’t easy to do even with the money, and actually last season city spent a lot less than most prem teams in the transfer window. Arsenal had some ability, but not enough squad depth and experience when injuries came in and they crumbled under the pressure. Football is different now, man utd were consistently winning leagues on less points than Arsenal have bottled the league on, so Arsenal fans have got to be proud and build on the success next season 👍
Huge squad?
Yet ManCity have the smallest team in the big6
They have versatility not big number
Yeah but quality in squad depth that is almost unheard of in football, de bruyne was regularly on bench at one point to force him to up his game, that’s the level of city’s back up and bench, most even top 6 teams have average squad players or reserve players to build numbers, that’s the difference
One title race and Arsenal fans want to give it the biggun
How is it that everyone (City, Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea and NU) will improve but arsenal won't. Transfer window hasn't even started yet.
I get Liverpool will be back but how can you say Chelsea will be back (this isn't Romans Chelsea).
Man U will only get better "IF" they get Kane.
Newcastle is pretty much in the same conversation as arsenal.
Too many mental gymnastics are going on, people doing all sorts to predict next season it’s funny 😂 why can’t arsenal improve on this season when they have shown evidence of progression year on year?
Last season finished on 65 points ish so they made 20 points gain on that with a good 11. Bhavs point is true with about 4 versatile signings they can definitely build on that further it’s a young team. All depends on recruitment and budget.
I personally think next season Chelsea won’t make it higher than 5th & united won’t progress as people are expecting. Only Liverpool have the capability of making that leap once more.
Either way City is winning it again & everyone else is fighting for second place. Arsenal should prioritise cups and they’ll acc win 1 or 2. Especially if they get on a favourable draw in the ucl like the Italian sides anything is possible lmao.
Sounds like your beloved goat has the decorators in Jaffa and you're all lonely again
Key injuries and inexperience, simple as that.
Once Saliba and Tomiyasu were injured it was over. It shutdown our right side, dropped our defensive line, and we started shipping goals which we didn’t in the first half of the season.
Perhaps in hindsight a formation change might have helped but that’s a gamble Arteta decided not to make 🤷🏼♂️
No it's a Arsenal thing.. you have bottled things for decades now.. when these players were in school
Bottled it 🍼
Simple as that
Bhavs makes some really sensible points.
City won for the same reason they beat Liverpool over and over. The squad has had so much money spent and spent well that the rotation is seamless. Every other team has to ply the same starting 11 to compete and they just burn out
Than It should be United that has won 5 PL titles in 6 seasons than by your account as United has spent the most money in the past decade…
@@BnEplus2 you must have missed the bit where I said ‘spent well’
@@reecejones3187 Definitely 👍🏾 did
Arsenal didn’t just bottle it, they had the biggest bottlejob in PL history.
They led the league for 95% Of the season.
And there is shame in it you had an 8 pt lead.
Don't give them the title of biggest bottle job. That's one of the few things Newcastle can claim. 12 point lead spunked away in 96?
That title is ours & you're not giving it away 🤣🤣🏴🏳️
We are pathetic club. So not biggest bo ttlejob when everybody knew we are not serious mid club it would always happend. No one is suprised. We are finished as s top club, just another Everton.
It was a 8 point with city having a game in hand and Arsenal left to play city at ethihad and Liverpool at Anfield... so a draw at Liverpool and loss at City would lose the league.. although I do agree we botled it In a bigger fashion than that..😂
Didn't man United have an 8 point lead in gameweek 32 over City in 2011-12? Both were on equal games played too at that point.
@@awfan221 forget that season even this season they were one point above city in February after that rashford offside controversy game.. and see the gap now between them two.. United fans forget how big of a bottlejobs they have been this season 😂
I like how he said that the only team that knows how to go toe to toe with City and beat them is Arsenal and Liverpool. I’m sorry when have Arsenal beat city?
You didn't understand, he said only arsenal and Liverpool have been in a title challenge with city.
So many over opinionated drama queens.
Arsenal didn’t bottle it. Yes you can call it that if you’re a drama queen. Arsenal succumbed to the pressure due to a lack of experience and being a youthful inexperienced team.
Of course it’s disappointing for the fans but this is exactly my point. Modern day fans or a lot of them act like petulant brats and they throw tantrums and go way over the top in the criticism.
Real fans are more balanced in their criticism and real fans support their team in bad weather as well as in good weather. Get a grip arsenal fans.
The notion that we won't make top 4 next season is crazy to me. no two ways about it, this season we were the 2nd best team in the prem. I understand that it will be competitive next year but we shouldn't be viewed as hopefuls but rather favourites, even with this poor ending to the season
I can see United Liverpool City and Newcastle finishing above you
Fatigue undone the great season of the Arsenal, but rest assured we are back. Jose Mourinho predicted it, now we can witness it, bring in that hate.😅
Fatigue undone the great season of the Arsenal?? By only playing once a week for most of it???'
Bottle Job FC
@@cluckingbell1772 fatigue is still fatigue. Lol, I don't know which season you were watching, we played more than one game a week for 75% of it. Lol... I can feel your hate for Arsenal from two planets away, 🤣🤣🤣 looks like we are back. I miss this level of hate. The fact that none Arsenal fans are touched by this result to our season, is just beautiful.
it's on the coach - his management of players is terrible. You don't play out-of-form players. He had his favorites and kept playing them
Arsenal definitely bottled it! It was there for the taking, they were 8 points clear! They drew to West ham (after going 2x0 up in 10 mins) and Southampton, and now lost to Nottingham Forrest!
This is just a view without any context or nuance.
Arsenal had played a game extra all season, the fixtures were friendly for Arsenal (hadn’t played Liverpool, Newcastle, City away) and the Queens death pushed back the City game at the Emirates to the second half of the season.
It was points on the board, sure, but City were always primed to catch up.
With that points total I said to myself if Arsenal take points off City they would win the title … they didn’t, and low and behold the title wasn’t theirs.
cant be acting like arteta is now a challenge for pep and calling him the next klopp is so disrespectful to klopp im a city fan and hate liverpool but theres levels even when city and liverpool face eachother you feel its a huge game a title decider a close game but its not with arsenal and arteta they havent beaten us i dont think once under arteta hes no challenger yet i always said to friends during the 90+% of arsenal at the top you arent champions until you face the champions
i hate the conversations like "there going to better" "chelsea got poch" "Newcastle will be better"
Same thing said start of this season, "spurs got conte and good window", "chelsea have spent loads helping tuchel" "liverpool bought a 100m striker"
Success aint linear and some teams will stumble like all of football history, so to say the comp is going to be significantly harder isnt neccesarily gonna be true
crazy how only a few weeks ago we were 12 points ahead of city and we would still have won even if they beat us.. smh how tf can we draw and lose to teams so far beneath us
I hope everyone watches the Newcastle game tonight to see the best atmosphere in the country
Nil all draw… yawn
@@pocnosaj shame Leicester didn’t want to play football, pre match display though better than any other English team
As Jose Mourinho says.....
Specialists in Failure.
Yea Spurs suck
bhav is a prime example of why the raising expectations will be their downfall
Raising expectations will be there down fall ? Wtf are u on ?
@@linadbouk9305 infrared fan pressure as they’ve raised their expectations will be the reason arsenal will crumble next season. if you had any comprehension skills you’d probs be able to understand
Arsenal fan here, I actually fear that we will fall out of the top 4 after not being able to sign the players we want in the summer window. As per usual!
Might happen 🤔
But enjoy CL football next season because football can change fast 💨…
Didn't sign the 1st choice players this summer and finished 2nd.
Don’t see why we wouldn’t. It’s not a question of budget or position anymore
My man said "Heeeh?!... champions league ? just say premier league" 😂😂
Liverpool have joined the long list of clubs interested in signing England defender Marc Guehi, 22, from Crystal Palace
Embarrassing mentioning Arteta and Howe in the same breathe as Klopp, you all seriously are delusional 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's two or three vital injuries at the worst time of the season, mainly because of the lack of rotation. People can say it's a mental thing but one of the biggest factors on mental state is exhaustion, and I believe we were physically and mentally exhausted due to playing the same XI week in week out for months.
The losses of Saliba and Tomiyasu in the same fucking game were comically brutal.
And the same thing happened last year where during the stretch run we lost Tierney, Tomiyasu, Partey AND Ben White.
Until we can find a way to rotate properly and keep our whole squad fit and firing into the last two months of the season, this will keep happening. But I think we will address it this summer and be ready to go for next year. I have faith in Mikel and the team.
I think it came down to squad depth. Most of Arsenal starting 11 played every game or most games. Rarely any changes in the team cos we don't have the same squad depth as City. No1 does tbh. Mikel needs to make sure he get quality additions in areas so players like Saka, Saliba, White get rest times so they can be fitted throughout the season and not gas out
They conceded in the first minute of a game twice! Was that Bournemouth and Southampton, if memory serves.
You have a mountain to climb, and the game hasn't started!
Babbs so deluded, Arsenal will be lucky to make top 4, in europe Arteta is a major flop
“We’re not perfect”
Is such a pitiful excuse
We are not team that would get 95 points, thT would never happend. And we needed that to win it. So after Liverpool draw, there wasnt even a point to play, everybody give up.
More like ‘“ We’re not as good as people think” 😆
Cheek of this guy to say Arsenal "challenged" like my Liverpool
LMAO
its all relative / wolves basically portugal and nottingham spent more money than all of serie A // its a tough league // arsenal ran out of gas / it dont matter if it was bournemouth or the galacticos themselves / this was a simple issue of legs / against city its a game of attrition.
Sad. No depth in the bench. They usually crumble when it gets tough
Crumble FC
Bottlers FC
Arsenaling
Whatever you wanna call them 😆
If a team finished with 84 points max in recent years, they wouldn't have even been considered title challengers. Its like saying you did well because you were the 2nd best in a boxing match.
Last i checked there weren’t 20 people in a boxing ring.
@@connoroleary4761 its a royal rumble, but they reduced the numbers due to covid
It's not like that in any way
Smoothbrain comment
@Connor O'Leary but there isn't 20 teams in a title race 7
if arsenal get gundogan rice/caicedo cancelo and then a forward the title is realistic for sure
It's certainly interesting watching this 10 or so montgs onwards.
He says Arsenal are gonna win either UCL or Epl next season 😅😅.
Whatever Arsenal fans have in their breakfast i need it too. 😅😅 I need this faith man.
This arsenal team with arteta has the exact same amount of points as Man United did under Ole Solksjaer in his last full season.
Crazyy
@@yessir6947 lmao not even close to true
That's a complete lie and fabrication. Like what fantasy land did these points totals come from?
chances are this Arsenal ends up with 84 Points which is 10 more points and 5 more wins than Utd did in the season you are referring to , but a better question would be, if both teams had the exact same points which team has a better chance of achieving something similar , which team is most likely to pass the casual observers eye test etc, one thing that also skews things a little bit is the element of surprise but Arsenal pulled off a similar run last season after losing their first 3 games with a physically declining Lacazette as their only outlet P26 W 18 D3 L5 2.16 PPG, once April came around they dropped off.
"Arsenal will be #1 next season"
[Loses to Nottingham Forest end of season]
Or Arsenal will NOT make Top 4 next season…
Kg is the goat 🐐, the pressure
u cant say botle jobb by competing against team who won the league 5 of 6
They bottled it because that’s what they do
💯 agree
It’s called Arsenaling it 😆
last time i felt anything at a city championship...aguero was waving his shirt around
1:08 bang on - thats a bottle job
Rob Holding is the answer.
As an arsenal fan I believe we'll finish 3rd and maybe quarters of champions league. Need another year and summer to compete seriously with the the best team by 100 miles
Arsenal aren't making top 4 next season with arteta mark this
@@stephenonaji1308 agreed 👍🏾
Probably 5th. Probably have to wait another 20 years for a chance at the PL title…
Tactically pep is constantly being forced to evolve and even learn from his diciples / but none of them have ever had wat he has had at city / if klopp were to get the sack and find himself at newcastle with a blank check and a 6 year contract / i promise you pep will be sweating / if boehly can find a manager bigger than all the superstars he hopes to bring in / if psg get zidane and his stars actually defend and organize for him / pep will be sweating / newcastle might get nagelsmen and bring in another progressive pressing manager with real money and fresh ideas into the occasion too
Pep is a 🐐 just accept it and stop trying to diminish his brilliance
No, Howe over Nagelsmann anyday
@@MackemSlayer1999 lol fair enough
shout out KG man is funnier in 4K
This was an extremely cordial and educated discussion, very rare lmao
Arteta's incompetence was exposed in the later stages of the season. The players were amazing.
We need a star player. There needs to be a superstar in a successful team.
And he wasn't trying to be to clever. He was trying to rotate his paper thin squad. The catastrophe game that cost us Saliba and Tomiyasu was that fucking miserable Europa League game against Sporting. Never want to see that goddamn competition again.
These arsenal fans didn’t have the same energy towards spurs finishing second. They’re trying so hard to justify why they bottled it 😂😂
Exactly! 👍🏾
To all Arsenal fans: You had a great season AND bottled it
Take it on the Chin and Enjoy CL football next season
Bro he litteraly said we bottled it what are you talking about
"We will not fall off like Liverpool" we shall see 👀
He is referring to 13/14 Liverpool that sold Suarez sterling etc we won’t sell our best players so we shall not see
@@ajvalentino He also said Arsenal coming 5th referring to LFC this season. Stop getting your panties in a twist for semantics.
Why all of Arsenal fans are DELUDED?
Good question 🤔
Arsenal fans need to realize that they had BOTH a good season and bottled it.
They need to take it on the Chin as the biggest bottlers in Prem History AND enjoy CL football next season
I have no worries at all that United, Newcastle or Chelsea will improve enough to overtake us. All 3 of them are miles behind.
No they're not, not by any stretch of the imagination. That's delusion
KG's right though. Bhavs is a twat on the defensive. "Yeah cos you would know, innit?"
Mate....comparing United to Arsenal, at this moment in time, is an insult to Arsenal and a compliment to United. United shouldn't be in that conversation, this is Ten Hag's 1st season in charge and Arteta's 4th. You should be challenging for the title, United should be challenging for the top 4. For a brief period though, we were being mentioned as contenders but that was back in February. Being in the running in February doesn't matter nearly as much as it does in May. Our form suffered as we fell away just as Arsenal's did. We'll take finishing in the top 4, with a trophy and possibly 2 and in August, we start again.
Bro, if a sprinter loses to prime Usain Bolt in a 200m race after having a 10m lead in the first 100m of the race, would that be a bottle job? I doubt it.
Marvin been real quiet since the greatest team the premier league has ever seen bottled it. Man can’t even show face
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How they can be so deluded to not think it counts as a bottle job is beyond me. Yes they have been good this season, but that doesnt mean they haven't bottled it just because they still overachieved. If you give a homeless person £1,000,000 and they are on the streets 2 days later, they fucked up.
'Trust me i know as i'm an Arsenal hater'
Taxi for Bhavvs
Marvin ducking again
After his viera comments he should be lol