Kansas Votes to Protect Abortion Rights | The View
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- After Kansas voters rejected removing the right to abortion from the state constitution, "The View" co-hosts and guest co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck weigh in on the results and discuss their take on abortion rights.
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I voted here in Kansas yesterday outside of the major cities, and tons of people were voting to protect a women’s right to choose
Thank you!
👏 Bravo
Thank you very much !
Thank you so much!
Wonderful!
A big problem with Hasselbeck’s argument on abortion is that she so easily imposes HER religious beliefs on others. It’s anti-American.
A religious belief that still hasn’t been proven. Crazy and they want to force that onto us.
Exactly.
Free will!
That being said, that religious belief has a principle teaching of "Thou Shall Not Kill", so she is being consistent since as being pro-life and of that belief, she believes that life begins at conception.
Maga women will get what they deserve when their states tell them they can’t take birth control. Or maybe they will have an eptopic pregnancy and suffer?
Sara again the most level-headed at the table! So glad she came back! Sunny with the logical factual follow-up was perfect! Stop forcing your personal beliefs on other people's livelihoods!
cool so now can the father choose not to pay child support if that would be a burden on them and just have the baby killed like the can mother now? I mean its, not a baby just a clump of cells he helped top create so why shouldn't he be able to reclaim his DNA if that's not what he wanted it used for
I am tried of being part of the oppressed by women my body my DNA my choice
So your against all laws. Every law is an extension of forcing personal belief on others.
God is not please
freedom of religion not freedom from religion
PLEASE.... do not bring her back again!
For once, I want to hear a legitimate argument from the right about abortion that does not involve their personal religion.
LOL! Good luck with that -
You won't!!! TRUST
They can’t. Their religion is the foundation to their argument.
There aren’t any.
That’s all they have
Thank god for Sara being on this show. She’s so articulate and makes her point without being argumentative
And also without being judgemental as certain guest host.
Life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Sara is the only one who truly respects the constitution, religion, and free will.
Yes, and for me, Sara is the voice of reason!
Agreed, she’s solid!
I applaud Sara and her reasoning approach
People like Elisabeth CANNOT understand OUR point of view but we bend backwards to understand their POV. It’s exhausting
Very exhausting 🙂
Because her opinion is in the minority
Actually dear it's the other way around. We have to bend to the liberals becasue they play the victimhood card all over
Conservatives exhibit a diminished ability for empathy and it's killing the planet.
@@yuyutubee8435 😂😂 shows how much you know ...
Elizabeth never fails to impose religious absolutisms and beliefs. You don't get to choose for others.
Sara needs a raise. She's the most level headed when it comes to bringing out the facts and her own "views" without being superimposing. Thank you, Sara.
The problem is, Elizabeth, there are still women in positions like Joy's where a medical issue arises while they are pregnant, and the doctors have refused to treat them due to the fear of prosecution with new abortion laws going into effect. Those women have died in some cases due to lack of care. What about their lives?
YES! they failed to mention the health of the mother!
That could have been my mother , that happend to her after my oldest brother was born in the early 80´s .. and if she didn´t get help that she did .. either me or my sister would been alive or exist to day ..
Fair argument. These rare extreme cases should be addressed by fine-tuning the law to give doctors more latitude while installing some form of checks and balances to guard against abuse of this freedom. For the remaining 99 percent, no abortion, sorry.
@@Lerian_V Problem with that is that health providers have to navigate the law which could delay or deny care that's needed urgently. Women have died, waiting for medical decisions to work through the legal bureaucracy.
True I had an ectopic and had to have emergency surgery 😔 also 2 miscarriages I would hate to think I would be judged or made a criminal for what already hurts my heart to this day!! Smh
I had an ectopic pregnancy. It was painful physically and emotionally. Ever man in my life acted like I should just “get over it.” Men shouldn’t be in charge of our bodies.
2:43 Hasselback: _Do you believe that was an abortion, Joy, that you had, or that you think it was an ectopic pregnancy?_
This should not be a "this or that" question. Hasselback does not understand that an ectopic pregnancy (tubal pregnancy) is a *medical condition* and termination of the pregnancy (abortion) is a *medical procedure* . Behar had a life-threatening medical condition and then she had medical procedure that saved her life. She had a life-threatening ectopic pregnancy, then she had an abortion to terminate the pregnancy in order to save her life from the life-threatening condition.
Men can be jerks when they don't understand or know how to deal.
I had a friend die of a ectopic pregnancy
A group of OB GYN’s should be making policy on this amen sister!
Wow Sara always brings the logic and facts! I also like how Sara has a faithful foundation but understands that her values shouldn’t be forced on another.
No she doesn't, she just pretends like she's rational, but in actual she's as liberal and far left and completely out of touch with practically the entire country, but she doesn't care, because she knows and must obey her handlers.
I have always been a huge supporter of Sarah Haines, and I strongly believe that she represents a larger swath of Americans than most of the so called "conservatives" we've had on the panel. She is a religious mother from Middle-America, who understands that what makes this country great is our ability to be open minded to differences, whether that be differences in religion, cultures, or ways of thinking. We love you Sarah, keep it up!
P.S. - What's up with Hasselbeck turning this into a platform for airing blatant political propaganda like the towel prop and sticky notes. Please be courteous.
We 115p
@@alexrice2302 Well I'm adjacent to the Mid-West (Colorado). I agree with your assessment, she certainly leans more Liberal, but I think most Mid-West moms might be more like her than they're like a Mom of 3 from Alabama or Arkansas you don't think?
The towel was tacky. I would have told her to keep her towel. Maybe it will help Republicans remove some of the blood on their hands since they are hellbent on blocking women from getting appropriate healthcare.
Sara Haines identifies herself as an Independent (or centrist / sideliner). She represents us centrists who are continually tussled and accused by both sides of the political spectrum for “not being with us” or “sellout” because they speculate that we think and vote differently for attention.
In actuality, centrists will always try to be fair, listen to both sides of the argument, examine every issue being discussed from every angle, and state our opinion (whether we agree strongly with one side, moderately on both sides, or unanimously on neither). Our stance has always been “social progress but not at the cost of detriment to social order”.
If you're against abortion that's fine, don't get one. And make it a policy within your families. Don't tell the rest of us what to do based on beliefs we don't share
Elizabeth just doesn't get it...
It's really just as simple as that.
100% agree!!
'If you're against abortion that's fine, don't get one. ' How many times are you blood-thirsty ghouls going to repeat that? All you blood-thirsty ghouls are actually saying is if you are against murder, then don't murder.
@@whyputaname She doesn't. I had 6 miscarriages and a stillbirth. Now I have 2 beautiful children. I am pro choice.
Elizabeth has never experienced any of these issues. She was judging and saying what should be done all while never having walked in ANY of those shoes she speaks of.
I’ve never been in the street starving but pretty sure I still know it’s wrong to kill someone for their food.
@@ianalan4367 Jack and Jill
@@ianalan4367 why should religion have control over an atheist? Thought America was land of the free.
@@ianalan4367 💯
She's just a hateful woman who is jealous of other women who can conceive. She's upset these choose not to start a family yet or can't because it's a risky pregnancy.
I hate when people who disagree with you assume that you are uninformed and if they just told you (some obvious thing everyone knows) that you will have some magical epiphany, the clouds in the sky will open and some new light will shine on your face. Elizabeth, everyone knows adoption is an option. Stop imposing your beliefs on others. Thank you, Sara.
I love how she mentioned people are waiting 6 years for babies. She purposefully didn’t mention the astronomical amount of older children who are in foster care waiting for adoption. If you were pro-life, you would want to help those kids get adopted rather than only helping people find newborn babies!
@@kait6994 Exactly ! And more specifically, they are waiting for healthy white babies. The Black, brown and special needs children are the ones left behind. I like her and think she is a kind person. But it's this kind of nice and well-meaning but oblivious person who makes policies detrimental to others.
Thank you Sara for explaining the pro-choice argument in the most beautiful, compassionate way! It isn’t pro-abortion. It isn’t about imposing someone’s faith onto others. It is simply about letting each person decide what is best for them. Can’t we at least agree on that?
do we let third graders decide what is best for themselves?
@@adamurban1979 so women are third graders?
@@adamurban1979 You voted for people who made a 4th grader flee across state lines. Or even arrest her for doing THAT.
@@michaelal20 a third grader isn't a "person" where you live?
@@emb5048 curious about how what i vote is germane for you?
we should arrest, prosecute, & imprison any adult who illegally "made" a minor cross the state line. maybe pretenda-scotus garland will seek justice. given her mother was simultaneously pregnant by the same rapist & all involved seemed to be regularly migrating borders, i doubt it.
"We need to not shame other women in hard situations." But you're so thrilled with calling a person wrong that you brought a towel prop today.
yeah that was really tasteless, she does remind me of ME-ghan
That towel was disgusting! It just highlighted her arrogance.
Did Elizabeth realize that someone could have argued that when she was not able to have a baby on her own, that she also decided to make a choice to go outside of what was meant for her to have a child?
My thought exactly. What a hupocrite!
@@liorafaibish907 exactly!
Does Elizabeth not realize the Republicans are trying to make it so women who can't conceive normally can't conceive in any other way? What is her take on that?
Because anti abortion is a choice too! No one is telling her to stop being pro life. So she can’t tell women that they have to breed and birth 5-6 kids! Ridiculous. They would never tell a man to be a parent or breed for biblical reasons!
Exactly. "God Makes No Mistakes". If that's true then All Abortions are also not mistakes but His will too. That or she defied God, and also killed her babies, by continuing to try when she knew they were likely to die instead. I don't believe anything so cruel. But it's the perfect twin to the "No abortions" "God makes no mistakes" logic she is pushing as the only righteous answer. By that logic we would just let all cancer patients die, and would never ever take anyone off of machines after they truly passed away. It's idiocy. Which could be allowed and ignored if it wasn't killing people, getting women beaten, and put many many many people at risk of every sort of possible abuse... including children that would get raised in abusive homes in which they would be unwanted, or a means by which to abuse or control the mother... On and on... the endless sea of horrors that mindset invites is not the future that any sane person could want. There's a dire cause and affect here, and hypothetical nonsense does not negate it's staggering importance.
Growing up in an evangelical home, her saying "I love you" is an immense showing of passive aggression, it's meant to be antagonistic in a way that the person can't point out because it looks like you are rejecting "love"
I would’ve told her keep your love and I’ll keep my choice.
And that “you’re his favorite” line is a distraction.
"Do we have to choose one or the other?" YES that's what this whole conversation is about! Lord have mercy.
Don't invoke God's name when supporting the murder of his children. God doesn't make mistakes but Westernized women have the audacity to pass judgement on what child lives or dies.
@@francarrey7501 😂😂😂😂 Abortion has existed everywhere along history, it’s not only a western thing, and it’s also legal in many Asian and southern-hemisphere countries. 🙄
@@francarrey7501 Republicans don't seem to mind when kids are killed at school! how about you guys keep the same energy and not just cherry-pick what you think is a sin and what isn't
When talking about any law and you mention your religion, you've immediately lost all credibility in the argument to me. Morals exist and you can make arguments that is based in your religion that shape your morals. But if you need your religion to persuade someone about man made laws based on morality then I feel like the discussion is already moot to an extent.
When that topic is about moral of "thou shall not kill" It is showing she is consistent.
@@JasonWalkerJamaica Curious, are religious people being consistent when it comes to war, the death penalty or voting against health care for all which results in thousands of people dying? I just read 26,000 Americans die a year because of lack of healthcare. And what about the sacredness of the mother's life if she is at risk?
@@DeeDee-io6dy Nope, it’s pure entitled hypocrisy
@@JasonWalkerJamaica "Thou shall not kill?"
But who kills more than God? Every 2 minutes a child is dying of hunger, Malaria, Aids, Cancer, natural disasters (Floods, earth quakes, landslides etc) that are not of their own doing.. Who is responsible for that? How many humans due everyday? Who kills them? It your Gods? Isn't it?
Your Gods do not practice what they preach, Right?
😇😀
@@JasonWalkerJamaica That morality should come with the death penalty and wars where men and women are trained to kill. Otherwise it it hypocritical.
Elizabeth and her fake tolerance lol “I don’t push my religious views on others… God told me to push my religious views on others”
Can't stand her.
Like Whoopi saying God is for abortions. Thou shall not kill.
Exactly. Fake tolerance and fake empathy. Whoopi really nailed it. “I know you’re smart enough to make decisions for your own family”
I really hate the word tolerance. lol
There are times when I feel more compelled to believe the “pro-life”argument, and then people like Elizabeth will come on with no willingness to really hear and listen and not be willing to move an inch in self-righteousness, and then I go back to what I previously believe, which is that the mother should have the final say. I believe life starts at conception and I would never get an abortion myself, but to force someone to do the same is immoral and unethical. I believe in a merciful God who would take care of those babies. Compassion and understanding are so absent in our society. Let’s all focus on something we agree on: figuring out to help wanted pregnancies to survive (find out why so many babies miscarry) and focus on that together.
It's not Pro Life, it's ANTI CHOICE.
The real question I would love to ask her; is she pro-guns?
Fantastic and thoughtful position!
The Pro-life movement lost its soul when it chose to use political arms of the state in order to move it's agenda forward.
Also figure out how to help the lives off struggling people who are homeless.
I don't hear many pro life advocates speaking up to solve that issue.
Most of them are frauds because they care about controlling policies than helping human life.
Elizabeth, with all due respect if adoption was such a beautiful option there wouldn’t be so many kids in foster care.
Someone needs to tell Elisabeth that terminating an ectopic pregnancy would require an abortion. To cover themselves legally, the hospice will require you to carry on with the impossible pregnancy until you are on the very brink of death. You likely will lose your ability to have children and you may die. Dealing with a miscarriage that has not passed also would also require what is technically abortion even though the fetus has already died. You risk a septic uterus, blood clot and stroke, sterilization, sepsis, and death because doctors will not want to risk prison to remove the dead fetus.
That´s what is sorely missing from this debate is hitting Elizabeth with facts like this and take the discussion from there. She got of wayyyyy to easily and they gave her wayyyyy too much airtime without challenging her.
Yes !! I wished they had talked about that! It's not a black and white issue! I had a miscarriage 17 years ago and had to wait a week for a D & C, can't imagine having to carry a dead fetus until I was almost dead! Does Elizabeth understand this!???
She knows that. She was being passive-aggressive and trying to get Joy to admit it’s an abortion. If abortions were defined as terminating a pregnancy in the womb, ectopic pregnancies wouldn’t be labeled abortions by some.
It’s a “pro-life” talking point. They continue to say medical care for miscarriages, ectopic pregnancy, fetal demise and more isn’t “abortion”. It absolutely is coded and considered an abortion in medical terms. Abortion is the term used by doctors, nurses, and medical professionals for anything related to the ending of a pregnancy. This is how they are passing laws without exceptions - they are telling people the aforementioned situations don’t count as abortion. We must call these people out on this as it is 100% DISINFORMATION. And this is how they are passing abortion laws with NO EXCEPTION for rape incest and life of the mother. Then they blame the doctors when women come forward with stories of how they were denied care during their miscarriage and fetal demise. It’s a part of their plan. They do not care if women die.
That's not entirely true.
When it comes to Abortion, mind your own business. Abortion is a human right, and human rights are women's rights. If that baby isn't in Elizabeth's womb, its not her business.
Republicans are for self-defense except when it comes to a woman using self-defense (abortion) for her body.
BINGO!
Thank you for saying that Kathy Rama have yourself a nice day.
If Women don't want to have kids use a condom or put them for adoption..Women have no right to kill and innocent unborn human being...
Yes. This is what I believe. It's her body. Therefore it's her choice. The rest is just opinion, whether religious or otherwise, it's an opinion.
The arrogance of Hasselbeck is astounding. She knows “best.”
Yes and Whoopi's disgusting jokes about abortion over the years are much better.
@@francarrey7501 There you go with “whataboutism.” Whoopi has never made jokes about abortion. She has said she doesn’t have the right to tell a person what is “right” for them. 🙄
I could listen to Sara talk all day. She’s so articulate
When Joy finished and the camera panned to Elisabeth my first thought was "Omg. Elisabeth Hasselbeck. Why did they bring her back? If there's ever someone who doesn't need to darken our screens again it's this b***h". Sometimes old hosts just need to be left in the past. It's like an old lover that was clearly a mistake. You don't want to be reminded of that mistake.
I agree. You'd think she would get smarter and wiser as she ages but her head is too big for change. She wants to be in everyone's business.
Oh I knew that cake was baked when she was on there originally. There was no hope that she was going to become a wizened person.
LOL...I can't argue with that...
Precisely! She grinds my gears!
She’s gone full Church Lady. Remember her screaming at Rosie?? 🤣
I enjoyed this abortion debate because there was no yelling or screaming. I do not agree with Elizabeth because I am pro choice. I respect her religious belief but that is her belief and does not pertain to everyone. She also does not understand that there are so many kids in foster care that no one wants. So many kids never get adopted
and she's not beating down any foster homes doors to grab as many as she can either. I do not miss her on this show AT ALL!
Sounds like as a country we need to put some effort and energy in resources to help change the reality of children not getting adopted.
Same logic can perfectly be used to justify slavery.
@@missrobinusa1 You mean we should've provided armed robbers and gang members such as MS-13 with education and decent means of livelihood before proscribing murder?
Just ask Elizabeth how many children has she adopted in her life? She is a $multi milionaire but I bet you she has never adopted a single child in her privilaged life..
But as a typical Right Winger says, "Don't abort, have that baby. Some one might adopt that baby but it's ain't gonna be me"..
Right Wingers say: "All these lazy single mothers have to take responsibility of their own actions. Why should I pay for anyone's childcare?"
Liberals / Leftists say: "Okay, let's provide a financial /social safety net for these unwanted babies and single mothers.."
Right Wingers reply: "These Commie / Socialist, Marxist Dems, Liberals and Lieftists hiking up our taxes in order to pay for soclail programmes like "Childcare and Foster care."
all I can hear when Elizabeth talks is "domestic supply of infants".
Yes Sara! Thank you for reminding Elizabeth that we don’t all share her religious beliefs!
I honestly can’t stomach Lizzie and I’m not a fan of abortion either…let’s hope her daughter never has to make this decision because if she does she’ll lose her mother forever…so Lizzie worked at one job for about five minutes and now she is an expert on the foster care system and adoption..wake up lady , this is such a complicated issue and I don’t exactly see her wrangling in to adopt unwanted children that are praying every day for a family to bring them home or those that come from abusive situations that need any type of salvation or from horrible poverty…that is godlike too
Why do you say Elizabeth's daughter would lose her mother? The same belief she has that makes her have that stance (thou shall not kill) is also where that belief teaches, all that you do must be done with love. So if she is keeping to that belief no matter what her daughter does Elizabeth will love her, so they will not lose each other.
You called her Lizzie 😂😩
@@JasonWalkerJamaica but then she’d be a hypocrite
Did you noticed Elizabeth talks about how many women wait years for babies 👶 she forgot that many in the foster care system are NOT babies, but the prolifers don't want to adopt them so they're left to lingered. Conservatives, we want to save them as embryos and fetuses but when they become children do nothing for them.. Stop ✋️ the madness.
@@JasonWalkerJamaica because when beliefs become so obsessive you lose the ability to have reasonable and rational thought..she will never be able to accept if her daughter makes that decision because she’s fooled herself into believing her daughter won’t and when you’re dealing with people you don’t get to direct another’s life..she already believes abortion is murder point stop. So a woman who gets an abortion regardless of circumstance is a murderer point stop..I’d caution against living with such rigidity
So Elizabeth just refuse to answer Sunny’s question about forcing religion and beliefs? She just kept rambling on basically forcing her opinion!
I was waiting for a response that did not start with "according to God" from her.
@@tpnp6032 we will die waiting…smh
Because Elizabeth is a right wing fanatic lunatic. Yes she would impose her version of god.
But if something is murder/killing (which if Sunny really believes it's murder), why wouldn't she logically want laws to govern when that murder/killing is allowed in a civil society. She must not really think its murder-- it either is or isn't! There should be boundaries for when it is acceptable and when it's not acceptable to end another human being's life
Isn't wokeism forcing their beliefs on others and shaming those who don't agree?
I wish someone mentioned to Elizabeth that a 10-year-old child's life matters too and making a child give birth to her uncle's baby will destroy a life that is already here, not just mentally but physically also.
Did she really just say "I don't force religion but God says" 🤦🏾♂️ if you can't make your argument without saying "GOD" then you are infact forcing your religion
------>> Insert ironic amen !🙌😂
Exactly.
that last comment she made was so brain dead. " do we have to choose one over the other" yes which is why some women get abortions because their life is a t risk wtf. does she not know the maternal mortality in this country
Nope she don't know really know how poor certain women are in different parts of the country cuz if she did she won't be speaking so stupidly. If she knew the mortality rate for pregnant women in this country she would not be talking so stupid. Our government doesn't even want to protect the children that are alive.
She sounds extremely naive and sheltered on this issue.
We have a 1% chance of dying in a car accident and a 0.02% (~20 deaths out of 100,000) of dying in childbirth in US. And yet we still drive everyday. And most of those maternal deaths are due to mother's obesity, diabetes or poor prenatal care.
I don’t know who dug up this lady but please send her back. There’s a reason for separation of Church and State and I think she forgot the memo.
THANK YOU KANSAS
For protecting Women Rights 🇺🇸
Millennial and Gen Z are rising up and most of us disagree with almost everything you stand for Elizabeth
Exactly.
Keep the STATE SEPARATED FROM RELIGION. IT'S ABOUT A PERSONAL CHOICE
Well stated Sarah.... so well stated. She is the voice of reason.
Agree, Sarah made a very reasonable arguement that almost makes Elizabeth look like she is in cult. Wait, or if she is already in one.
It’s not a voice of reason, it’s a belief. Joy could have died.
sarah's articulate but ignorant, often sharing uninformed opinions...
I’m mixed on the abortion issue, but I must say the way Sarah articulated her reasoning made sense and she had a great point! 👏🏽
Its NOT your issue.
Please don’t bring Elizabeth back! The sheer refusal to absorb what’s being said is beyond me!
I despise hosts who come on the show and are performative rather than adding value with their point of view. With the towel and the sticky notes in the other segment, it’s impossible to take her seriously. Neither of those actions were funny nor cute, and I wish we could have Ana Navarro’s inside voice making fun of this woman’s childish shenanigans.
I suppose Elizabeth is there for a reason, and it is more likely than not that her presence increases the ratings of the show. I you do not have an opposing point of view, any talk show is boring and very one-dimensional.
Elizabeth is just Kellanne Conway 20 years ago.
Elisabeth’s view on the world is completely unhinged from reality
She rich and has basically been living in a tight Christians cult bubble.
What Hasselbeck needs to understand is that most abortions are before viability and before the fetus is developed enough that we'd call it a baby. Anytime you see pro-life ads that show a newborn baby, realize they're trying to mislead you and pull at your heartstrings. They don't want you know what most abortions look like (which is a relatively common smooth procedue). And if you don't want an abortion, don't get one. But it's not your right to push your views of what's life or sacred onto others.
It's still a baby. And the process of abortion is horrifying.
Most abortions are out of inconvenience whether it's because the mother slept with a man she didn't want a kid with, rape, incest, don't want more kids, or the mother doesn't want another kid right now. Women choose to murder their children because it is not convenient for them.
@@jazzwhitney3333 a zygote is a zygote, not a baby. Don't they teach this in christian biology?
@@jazzwhitney3333 Rape victim's don't care if it's scary. That doesn't stop them from getting rid of something they never wanted. Good luck on attempting to brainwash them into giving birth. You would lose that argument real quick🤣🤡
Pregnancy decisions should be left up to the mother, their immediate family and their doctor. No one else should be making decisions for them.
So somebody thinks you are in the way we should all stand back and watch.
Do unto others including the baby. God doesn't make mistakes including pregnancy.
Who pays?
The Procedure isn't happening at home.
@@janharper5584 That would be your God because I dont have one and I dont want your God and your beliefs pushed of on me. I am proud of Kansas and voted no yesterday.
@@janharper5584 So God wanted that 10 year old girl that got raped by her father and pregnant was a act of God? I don't want any part of a " God" like that. God wanted her to carry a baby full term at the age of 10 and just barely had her first menstrual and be a grown developed woman? Get out of here with that crap.
@@janharper5584 or actually having a brain with a choice to back it up. it's NOT YOUR BUSINESS.
Multiple medical experts have stated that surgery or medication to treat ectopic pregnancies are considered abortion and would be restricted by many state laws. I am with you Joy, I also had an ectopic pregnancy and these laws are making me crazy since I would be dead in certain states if it happened again today.
Medically abortion is simply " the termination of a pregnancy"... a miscarriage is medically classified as a "spontaneous abortion". Treatments for ectopic pregnancy and procedure for an elective abortion is literally the same. So yes restrictions and denial of care would have to happen under gop laws. Im so sorry for what you had to go through
@@GeorgiaGrown90 ALSO that pregnancy could still have a heartbeat soo....excising that embryo or fetus (yes a fetus bc it CAN go into the 13th week) makes these laws very gray.
An ectopic pregnancy is NOT a viable pregnancy!! It MUST be removed or the mother will die. And hopefully they can save the tube when they remove it. They luckily were able to save mine.
This is not true. You have no idea what you are talking about. Ectopic pregnancy is not considered an abortion but a emergency surgical procedure. This has been clarified several times but the lies continue because you guys don't want to come to terms with the need to limit abortion for full term healthy babies at 36 weeks.
@@skontheroad don't recall anyone saying an ectopic pregnancy was viable...
Sara is incredible! Hope she's always a host
I wish Elizabeth would be more like Sunny. Despite her religious beliefs, she doesn’t project that onto other people and she (Elizabeth) clearly has no other intellectual argument other than what she reads from a book. Like pretty much EVERY prolifer, she crosses that line of freedom from religion and I honestly wouldn’t of sat there and given her the platform to spew her discriminatory garbage the way she did. Good on Sarah for shutting her down
Also, that book tells us that God gave us free will to follow his principles, or to not follow them. So the christians that don't acknowledge this are literally disobeying their own God. How can they force something on someone that not even God is forcing on them. It literally says to preach your beliefs, but if someone doesn't want to listen, or isn't interested, then leave them alone and walk away. It also says that every person will be held accountable by God. It also says to stay out of the world, but so many christians constantly take sides in the world, especially in politics, and it doesn't get more worldly than that. So this type of stuff has been answered and clarified in a healthy way. Basically, most christians are not actually living by that book. Which is why so many of them end up being called hypocrites. It's reasons like this that Jesus literally called many religious leaders that claimed to follow the bible hypocrites.
Yet sunny wants to force her ridiculous beliefs (like when she pretends that systemic racism in America today is a "fact", while it hasn't been proven in any way). People know it's complete BS based on the feelings of weaklings, yet she speaks as if everyone HAS to believe her.
@Leo but Christians vote... should they vote for something they think is wrong? Everyone votes their value system (whether it's religious values, philosophicalvalues, humanist values, etc.) People vote for what they think is right and that means you vote to impose your version of right and wrong on others, too
@@AK-vq1oy That's a good point. Well if a Christian is going by the book that their religion is based on, they wouldn't vote at all, and they wouldn't impose anything on anyone that way either. Jesus saying that his followers are no part of the world suggests this, and he says the world will literally hate them for it like it hated him. I know the bible talks about being ambassadors of Christ. So it's more like your vote goes to Christ and his father, rather than man's politics. How can you vote for one person as your chosen leader, and then turn around and claim to follow the God of the bible as your leader? That's technically more hypocrisy.
Also, according to the bible, Satan the devil literally offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world at one point to get Jesus to worship him instead of his father. Jesus refused, but that suggests that Satan is the actual God of this world right now, so that means that voting in this system would go against a Christian's beliefs. That's IF they actually want to fully follow what the bible says anyway.
But people like Elizabeth have been participating in the world for so long, she would likely feel uncomfortable if you showed her those scriptures, and she would likely rationalize it away so she can keep doing what she wants.
I don't think she is a bad person or anything, but I know it's just scary to let go of long time beliefs, even if the main thing your religion is based on tells you to. So really, most Christian's just aren't following their own book that their religion is based on.
Elizabeth was the one who said that the morning after pill was the same as abortion when she used to be on all the time, which is a load of crap because the morning after pill is to insure that you don't get pregnant in the first place, not end a pregnancy that's already started.
Sunny is the perfect example of how to have an intellectual conversation. Take your emotion out.
Elizabeth you deflected the question she SIMPLY asked you. You failed.
@@no.931that’s your opinion.
I'm progressive but still wish Elizabeth would come back permanently. She's fantastic for the show
Sara explained it perfectly. Thank you.
Do elizabeth not hear herself when she said do we have to choose between one or the other. There is only one answer and that is yes. Its either you choose the mother or the baby. That is where pro choice comes in play. We choose the mother, because it is her choice, period. If she chooses to give the baby up to adoption or abortion, that is her choice not ours.
Your probably pretty young. When your older you factor more into the calculus
So you support baby murdering you make me sick
@@maxpower8429 age has nothing to do with this. It's either you let the woman have the right to choose or not
Christian Right is not feminist! Anti feminism
Choose both! Help the woman live and help the baby live.
I’m so proud to say I voted NO yesterday to protect women’s reproductive rights in Kansas.
@@FleurPillager wire hangers ?
@@FleurPillager I’m fully educated on the female reproductive system and birth control methods. I have a 7 year IUD. No form of birth control is 100% effective and the answer is NOT to demonize women for their sexual lives. That is creepy and misogynistic and outright undemocratic. Also abortion is not always preventable and is often necessary. Partial miscarriages require a D&E, which is the standard treatment and the same medical procedure as abortion. Without a D&E women with partial miscarriages will likely die from bleeding out or of sepsis from dead tissue left to rot in their uterus. There are so many instances like this where an abortion is necessary medical care and it is no person’s right to judge a woman for choosing that option. It is not your body or life that is potentially at risk, so you have no right to dictate the medical decisions of a patient and their doctor. Only when you are the patient in question, do you have that right. Bodily autonomy should be a protected right for everyone in all cases. It is too important a right to be chipped away at for any reason.
@@FleurPillager Exactly.. That's why Kansas chose "PRO CHOICE"..
It's the same as "PRO DIFFERENT OPTIONS"..
Provide as many options as possible to women and then let them chose what Option suits them..
Can't be limiting them your own personal Option of "No Abortion whatsoever."
Iheard that your lunatic Right Wing Supreme Court Judges might now go for ending Contraception..
Complete lunatic you Right Wingers have turned into since 2016..
@@hostronic I cant take someone’s opinion on abortion seriously if theyre going to slander me for disagreeing, im creepy and mysogynistic for caring about stopping a baby from getting its limbs ripped off one by one? No. If you think about it that way theres no debating you.
@@hostronic No one demonized women for having an abortion.
Thank you Kansas for doing the right thing and God thanks you too!
Wow! I had the exact same issue as Joy and had internal bleeding and died as well. I lost 6.5 pints of blood over a 3 day span. It’s good to hear other people went through the same things as you.
I did a 6 week course at Planned Parenthood years ago And I can say that women who ultimately make the decision to have an abortion have been given all the information to make an informed choice. And Planned Parenthood is not just about abortions they provide contraception and well woman care.
This!!!! Thank you! I really wish that more people were saying this!
cool so now can the father choose not to pay child support if that would be a burden on them and just have the baby killed like the can mother now? I mean its, not a baby just a clump of cells he helped to create so why shouldn't he be able to reclaim his DNA if that's not what he wanted it used for
I am tired of being part of the oppressed by women my body my DNA my choice
you being a total if just one of you is getting court order child support you are hypocrites me having to work 8 hours a day to pay for a child I never wanted do you have any idea what that does to a man's body What if I wanted to travel go backpacking around Europe
you say there are women who are stuck in marriages because of kids well you have no idea how very true that is for men we don't talk about it but for men, it's 1000 times worse
men should have the right to choose to abort the pregnancy too
I agree...I have been a patient of Planned Parenthood...the best women's health care I have ever had...and it was a affordable and thorough... and was at that time under a bomb threat in 1986.. Margaret Sanger Planned Parenthood....thank you for your courage to carry on!!!
Did they also tell you Sanger was a racist and eugenics who believed in using abortion to annihilate or for population control of blacks. Whites got fertility clinics while blacks got abortion clinics. 13 million black children have been murdered by abortion since it was implemented in the 1970s.
I remember when Elizabeth said she was against the Plan B pill, so I kinda already knew where this conversation was headed....
Well that's nice for her, she can go on and not get the Plan B pill, leave us women out of your views about contraception. Elizabeth, you aren't going to pay for our kids upbringing from birth to 18 years so I don't want to hear it. I would like to mute when she and other pro-choice hosts are on but I have to stay informed on their idiotic views.
Plan B is a form of abortion
@@831mrscardoso While I do not totally agree with Elizabeth, she is entitled to her opinion, just as you are entitled to yours. So, basically, calling her idiotic only speaks to your very closed mind.
Thank you Sara. That hit a chord w/ me- about the concern for the life of the mother. 😥❤ Joy also makes an excellent point about our foster care system..
Elizabeth, you are NOT a “we.” You are only one person and you do NOT get to choose what anyone else believes except yourself.
The problem with Hasselbeck's speech is that she doesn't differentiate between her belief and the medical/legal terms for the very procedure that Joy shared. Abortion is a blanket term that covers ectopic pregnancy, miscarriage, d&c, medical intervention of a pregnancy that isn't viable, etc., in a lot of states.
so when does life begin & why?
@@adamurban1979 I think that answer differs with each person. Me, I believe that once it looks like its a baby, it's a baby. Other people feel differently. Regardless, terminating a pregnancy, for whatever reason, is (1) A medical procedure (2) A personal decision between a patient & their family, if they're involved. No one has any business in either of those things, if it's not their personal situation, least of all a bunch of legislators & judges
@@velmascarborough7680 you seem to think i'm asking for an opinion. i'm inquiring about an existential reality, both biologically & constitutionally...
@@adamurban1979 I did, you are correct. However, I don't think that the Constitution is the authority on when life begins, considering that black people were only considered 3/5 of a person initially & women weren't considered at all. As for biologists, I couldn't say, but I would think that they don't have a unanimous consensus either, since they are also human
@@velmascarborough7680 @ least you don't dispute it's an existential question.
the constitution is the legal authority & the biological consensus is the scientific authority. you would sure up your opinion by studying & being fully informed about both.
Sara's arguments and logic >>>>
Sara was long winded but good.
Sunny was direct and spot on.
My faith tells me what I need for myself and to offer nor force on others.
Sara says it the best, always! I tend to agree with her every time.
The problem is that a second or third trimester baby is clearly a life. Life has begun by then. And yet nobody is capable of a balanced view on this, despite the fact that this is what most people know to be true.
"The problem is that a second or third trimester baby is clearly a life."
Nope you ASSERTION not fact, not "clearly" not view'
You don't get to assert what you want to be true and truth.
@@genestarwind4610 And you don’t get to cover your eyes and make up your own fake world because you don’t want deal with reality.
@@m3gr0 Awe honey you don't get to try and repackage what I said just because you aren't smart enough to think critically and say something that match the real world and medicine.
I deal with reality pregnancy isn't an instant process. It is potential life not life.
Same reason when you shove the big mac in your mouth and chew you don't say you have a TURD in your mouth. Because a biological process isn't instant.
While Hasselbeck is entitled to her "religious opinion", her effort to lionize them on the show is NOT a prescription to the issue at hand ... which is reproductive self-determination rights. A woman who is carrying a life within herself (an evolved sentient being) is responsible to herself and her unborn pregnancy within her. If her decision is based on best efforts to make a decision (albeit difficult one) that is in the best interest of herself AND her unborn pregnancy; that is HER decision and that is a pro-life choice ... in its essence. While there is certainly great benefit from well-informed consultation, in the end the choice is within the moral, legal and constitutional right of the MOTHER!! END OF DEBATE. 😑🚬
A sincere question, is there any point in the progression of a pregnancy that you would think it would be a violation of the right to life of the embryo, fetus, or baby? For example owany weeks or months before the due date?
Even most countries in Europe have a time frame re legal and illegal abortion.
@@DeeDee-io6dy Late stage (i.e 3rd trimester) abortions are very problematic and require well-informed consultation and guidance. It makes perfect sense to have some guard rails around an abortion decision so there are options for viable intervention. Abortion should not be based on 'frivolous' reasons (e.g. inconvenience). That's simply my opinion but there are compassionate options that can be and should be explored.
@@jagster59 Appreciate your response, I would so appreciate more nuanced discussions on this topic. Everyone seems to make black or white / either or.
republicans: "Our creator assigns value to life. That life has a plan and a purpose designed by God."
Also republicans: "Yes, I believe in the death penalty."
Republicans: “We have the right to defend ourselves”
**A woman protecting her body and health**
Also Republicans: “Wait not like that”
Perfectly stated.
@@DjFico238 ... You are still murdering a life aren't you..
LOL so right
@@DjFico238 So should women who have an abortion receive the death penalty?
Way to go Kansas! Thank you!
Tell Elizabeth there are currently 400,000 unwanted kids in foster homes now. She should look into that first
Sara always does a great job of clearly articulating her views without being rude or condescending to others opinions.
Sara has her ways. I saw it on the show she did with Michael Strahan. She's surrounded by dominant women and appear as the weakest.
Elisabeth is a trip. “I don’t believe life has value, I believe our creator assigns value” Whaaat? Btw: That was the sound of NO hands clapping after Hassels remark.
She has such a self righteous attitude, my gag reflex reacts just listening to her. "Do we have to choose between which life matters?" YES, yes, we do. If a girl or woman is raped by a sick pervert, the woman's life and wellbeing is top priority. As should be testing the rapist's DNA !!! The View needs to get a clue. I'm not setting my DVR for them anymore. Alyssa Farah Griffin is a step too far.
I gotta say I appreciate Hasselbeck’s controbution, its less combatitive but still very opposing views
I wish somebody would challenge Elizabeth on a couple points:
1) She said she struggled with fertility; does she believe in vitro fertilization is a sin? This practice creates and destroys embryos. It would be so wrong for me to say to her, why don’t you just adopt, obviously God doesn’t want you to reproduce, but she is essentially using the same logic on other women's reproductive journeys.
2) She brings up a child who was born due to rape, but what about a child born because their mother had an abortion prior to them being born. Many women who have abortions go on to have other kids. My mom had an abortion and then had me when she was ready. The way women’s ovulation works, if she would have had the kid she aborted, I would not have been born. If Elizabeth truly believe God has a plan and purpose for every life, what about mine? The reality is life and death play out in a million ways every day, she and people who are pro-life think they get to play God. A woman loses an egg every month that egg had the potential for life, but that woman bleeds and rides the wave of hormones and keeps living, it is the nature of life that not every potential life becomes a fully formed human.
3) I find it ironic she is fine with her kids and other kids playing football and exposing their young, developing brains to traumatic brain injury for entertainment’s sake, this is so inconsistent. I'd also ask her about her position on gun control.
Elisabeth is so irritating. "Life has a plan and a purpose designed by God". She can't prove that claim she just made, yet she's stating it as a fact. And the towel she held up is so offensive. She's talking down to people as if her beliefs and opinions hold more value than others.
I think Lizzie wants her seat back at the table. She thinks she's stronger than Meghan McCain.
People differ from you.
I Agree
People lose credibility when they claim religious superiority
@@FleurPillager omfg. Really? Wow. Get over your self.
The same people that say keep a rapist baby if it was to happen to them they wouldn't keep that baby period the double standards is insane
Yes they would because it’s not the baby’s fault that you were raped and should be smart enough to know that fact. Two wrongs don’t make a right
I’m a man and I had severe stomach cramps last week from food poisoning. It was the most painful 7 days I’ve ever experienced. How the heck can I force women to carry a fetus for 9 months when I almost died after 7 days of stomach cramps?
5:18 the audience groan when Elizabeth reads her stupid towel 😆😆
I’ve always had a love/hate relationship with Elizabeth. She’s such a typical pompous Republican/Christian robot, but she also seems to think she’s well-meaning. Thank you Whoopi, Sara, and Sunni for speaking the fuxxing FACTS!
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How is she pompous though?
@@robertd7717 she refuses to acknowledge the complications of life for starters. It's her way or the highway. She just doesn't listen
@@sunseeker9581 That's not what I hear. I don't see arrogance on her face or hear it in her tone of voice. In regards to the actual words she was saying, she was staying true to her beliefs, just as every other lady on the panel was. She wasn't interrupting either. It seemed to me like she was genuinely listening. Everyone was.
@@robertd7717 she makes proclamations that are easily refutable, intellectually. only a pompous person would tout their religion the way she does, and joke about it the way she does. I still don't hate her, but if you've been watching the show for 18 years, you'll know what I mean.
We did it!!! I have faith in God, but I'm also a foster mom, and we have enough kids in the system already.
So the children deserve to die?
Elizabeth would ban gay adoption too.
Hasselhoff is talking nonsense. It’s shocking this is even a conversation. I’m glad this isn’t the same in uk 🇬🇧
I actually think this was a very intellectual conversation. Thanks for not being rude to eachother
Sarah and Sunny as well as Whoopie made some great points !!!!
So did Elisabeth.
Elizabeth's argument is so cringey and absurd!
Just like joe bahama mama
1:49- Dammit 1979!!!.....you let us down 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Elizabeth is very courageous!! I agree with her!!! She’s amazing!!!
Sara was well spoken but the country was founded on freedom from religion. Not having scriptures dictating laws.
It was actually Colonized off of the attempted Genocide of the Indigenous and Slavery, with a Constitution written only to memorialize White Supremacy...
but continue
you may want to revisit the 1st amendment again batgirl... you clearly don't grasp your own rights.
And it was founded on racism and guess what ? They still practice it !!!
@@adamurban1979 YOU are the one who needs to revisit.
@@batgurrl i'm feeling great about our rights. all the best policing people's religious choices; get used to losing in court.
Hasselbeck keeps invoking religion and you can’t win a debate that way.
@@FleurPillager not large enough apparently
That’s most Republicans in power???
@@FleurPillager The fascist evangelicals?
@@FleurPillager that there are many people who share her views but they are the minority. Most Americans believe in the choice of the woman.
@@FleurPillager if it's true in Kansas of all places then its probably true in most states. But I agree no one should be silenced and they weren't. A vote was done and anti-choice lost. I agree other views should be shared.
Thé conversation is so interesting with Elizabeth at the table.
"God made us smart enough to make the choice"
"No"
Lol I died
I believe aborting a pregnancy can be good and even moral for the unborn baby. I'm 44 yrs old, and wish I was never born into a situation where I was an unexpected accident. Growing up unwanted and insufficiently cared for is no life for a kid.
Why are you projecting your internal issues onto others?
My heart goes out to you. I know that I'm just a stranger to you and don't know your story, but I have such empathy and compassion for what you shared. Thank you for bravely telling us your perspective. I hope that you can find peace and purpose in your life.
100%%%%%%
I'm sorry you had to grow up feeling that way 🥺
I agree with Sara’s comments.
I understand that life is important. Though you can’t expect someone who could die from a pregnancy to accept that adoption would be an option.
Yes, adoption could be an option but for someone like me….that literally means I would have to die just to bring a life into this world. That is not something I want to do.
Some pregnancies mean the death of a women because of health issues. For someone like me, My condition is a mystery to doctors and a possible way to help is a surgery that could still cost me my life just to try and solve an organ problem I have.
You can’t tell me adoption option is the sole solution some women like me who could die because a pregnancy would cause complications to us.
with such a heavy conversation going on, I gagged when whoopi said, "choose this conversation or the commercial" 😂😂😂
So why didn't Hassett adopt instead of jumping hoops to get pregnant.
And if you truly believe in God you have to accept and have faith in his plan for every unborn child .
Exactly, what I said. Why didn't she adopt?
Because it's narcissism.
Oh Lord we totally KNOW the friggin options! So sick of people telling other people what to do with their own bodies!!!
Yes and apparently people are too stupid or selfish to not use abortion as a last resort!
Thank you Sarah. Elizabeth's dismissal of the disaster that is the foster care system is particularly offensive to me as someone who spent my life in it from 3 years old. It is not a joke or something to be dismissed. Nor is it a route that typically has positive outcomes for those who survive it (and yes it that bad, if you come out alive and functional you have survived a war).
Yes, many agencies are there to help moms get their baby adopted at birth. That's the key, at birth. That's when many people who wants to adopt would like to adopt at that stage. However, I have seen so many social services trying their hardest to place older kids into adoptive families. There are ads from Texas trying to place older Caucasian kids into families. So, it's not just other races and/or ethnicities. And there are not enough foster families available to adopt older kids. Many government agencies go to households to solicit help from families to be a foster family or to be an adoptive family. So no, it's not an absolute solution to have that child to be adopted and to be well taken care of. In other words, there are not that many Angelina Jolie or Madonna in this world to adopt kids and to provide a good life. Otherwise, there wouldn't be stories like "Oliver" by Charles Dickens. Or, Annie, the Harold Gray comic strip Little Orphan Annie and the 1885 poem "Little Orphant Annie" written by James Whitcomb Riley.
It’s weird to just push your religion onto people … even if there are other options like adoption, not everybody is comfortable with knowing that a piece of them just walking around moreso carrying a foetus for 9 months and giving birth which hurts!
If Elizabeth cared ABOUT kids she would have adopted, but now she thinks others should. Typical christian hypocrite.
Many people who's lives are rooted in those religions do not think it's strange because in their minds they are making the right choice and they want others to make the same choices as them. I remember one time when I told a person that I didn't believe in the same religion as them I was told I could still be saved...
Forced birthers act as if the adoption system is a cure-all for unwanted pregnancies, when in real life many people adopt kids like shopping for pets; i.e., if they aren't the right "look" or age, many kids get overlooked and left unadopted as wards of the state. This is the harsh reality for many unwanted children.
Foetus?
@@nunyas I think her point in essence is do something else, don't just kill the child.