We prorogue parliament every year and also every time we get a new government we suspend parliament before a queen’s speech, there is nothing unusual about this,
@@inquaanate2393 why didn't Johnson do this before the summer recess then? Or why didn't he make the suspension period only a few days as has happened in the past?
Actually, I think people voted out of the EU because the broken British system is failing them... They just conducted a 'dirty protest', because when you have no influence on anything, all you have left to harm is yourself.
@@RockPokTaoFong They could have done, but it's very hard to protest when you are working two jobs and have children to raise. Have you seen the price of public transport in Britain? Most people can't afford to take a train to attend a protest march in London - protest marches are for the privileged. Voting is where your voice is supposed to be heard.
Twitter and Instagram are predominantly left wing (were as fb is a but more mainstream and full of boomers) and the majority of globalists tend to be on the left.
I'm an American. I have no dog in this fight. Just honestly wondering. No one liked May's deal. Boris will probably not be able to cut a great deal from the EU either. So...No Deal Brexit, right? Dear Brexiteer: What makes you think you can negotiate awesome trade deals outside the EU if your negotiations thus far have been miserable? Your teams will suddenly get better? I simply don't understand.
Sssssttt don't ask tough questions to Brexiteers. They just call you out for being a project fear spreading remoaner. Anything to not accept reality is not as they were told by the great Brexit scam.
Take up some shorts. Might as well make some money if you can't change the outcome. I'm an American and that's what I've decided is my best response. 😏
Dear American, The resit of Europe is looking on in awe also. It seems a lunatic journalist and ex bankers and financiers who would gain from Brexit have frightened the peasants and waved union jacks to stoke fear and racism. The same people have become party leaders and Even prime minister on the fear tide as they had newspapers behind them. Now half the populace are desperate for an exit of the safety of the EU to a not so safe unknown place. It’s farcical and scary to see the mob.
There is no more deal to be cut. The stuff in the May's deal is 100% consequences of the conditions the UK set, EU gave everything they could, but they can't give stuff that contradicts the conditions, and the conditions were fucking bonkers, and Boris wants to have more self-contradicting conditions, so no, no deal can be made, because the conditions the UK is setting are logically impossible.
I'd prefer just no brexit it was a shit idea from the beginning. All the flag waving racist have had their turn now it's time to stop. Just go back to your working men's members only clubs to drink warm beer until you piss yourself and fall of your bar stool.
I'm not sure if I'd rather watch the political hell that's going in the UK or the actual hell going on here in Brazil. At least the UK crisis seems polite and orderly.
As someone from the US, I'm sick to death of Donald Trump. Clearly other countries are having big troubles as well, but the chance to see something else is irresistible.
So the thing you've been talking about for MONTHS on this channel finally happens and it coincides with your birthday. There is OOOORDAAAA in the Universe...
This is a like some wierd choose your own story book. For vote of no confidence turn to page 45: For altered deal turn to page 72: For no deal turn to page 36:
The Colonel okay.... So, TLDR has not displayed any political views except one of a pro democratic one. Johnson is doing something way more undemocratic than the second referendum the conservative party was against for being undemocratic (which is a fair point) You are writing a pro democracy standpoint off as a political opinion, when it really shouldn’t be. To me that sounds like you want What you think is best for the country without any consern for What others think, which is self-righteous at best and dictatorial at worst
The Colonel so you want to break the system of a democracy for a referendum from 3 years ago where a slight majority want a brexit (not even a no deal one) And the parlementairians are directly elected (altough unfairly, but that’s another can of Worms) to represent the people. So by the way the uk works they are the foundation of the democracy Breaking the rules of a democracy is Very dangerous, the likes of Caesar, Hitler and Lenin got to power by people who broke the democracy by ignoreing the rules of them in a crisis
@The Colonel for that matter, why have so many elections, right? Once the people have voted for who should run the country once, it would be completely undemocratic to have another vote on the subject.
The Colonel i Will not argue that brexit needed to take 3 years (since it didn’t need to). But many representatives do not feel that a no deal / the deals that were in place were good enough to see them trough. In my opinion a nation shouldn’t strife to make one good decision and a bad one, but as many decisions that are good enough for (mostly) everyone. That is the strength of a well functioning democracy. Because if the government Goes trough with this, it Will send a president that prorogation is a method of taking care of opposition, which could be used against the people that use it now.
@@randomdaveUK Even though this prorogation is clearly politically motivated, you do understand that the current parliament has been in session for well over two years while this supposedly unconstitutional democratic crisis of prorogation should occur by convention every twelve months? It's not the business of the public to vote about whether routines should be followed; this is a part of the English common law tradition, which is one of the key roots of the UK's political system. You can't call something a democratic crisis when a simple routine is followed by the book. You also have to keep in mind that the parliament has had those two years+ to organize a Brexit, but haven't been able to pull it through because of a combination of incompetence and unwillingness. The Queen is a Brexiteer herself, and has been since 2016 (She said that leaving the EU would be "no problem" and that "Britain should just get on with it", and that was in 2016). Are you seriously claiming that politicians following rules in parliament is a democratic crisis but the two and a half-years old Brexit referendum not being honored isn't?
True, but some options are less unpopular. A Condorcet vote, by Parliament or by the electorate, could cut through this mess and find the option that's more popular when compared to each of the others.
@@rvanzo925 - what form of Brexit? It's a poor illustration but imagine people are given a choice of ice cream. The choice is Vanilla or Not Vanilla. 48% want Vanilla and 52% say Not Vanilla. Now, when it comes to choosing the actual ice cream - some say Strawberry, others say Chocolate (uck) and yet others say Raspberry. However no one can agree. The default is no ice cream at all. Who is happy with this? Certainly not the majority! That's the logic jam we have here. Given the above - vanilla is still the most preferred option out of all.
Just imagine any other job where you get a task, accomplish absolutly nothing in 3 years, and than take one moth off just two moth before the deadline (wich you already missed twice)...
To be fair, it's an impossible job...the initial vote lumped all brexiters into one group despite the fact that they don't agree with each other...no matter how Brexit is done, about 75% of the people would be pissed the fuck off. The remainers would be pissed off either way, but no-deal people get pissed off if there is a deal and deal-leave people get pissed off if there is no deal... How can anyone expect to make a decision when there are no good options?
@The Colonel "Deals will continue to be done"... Except if we leave the EU with no deal, we will lose the 50 free trade agreements we have with countries outside the EEA as well as those with EU countries, and be left with no deals at all. We will plunge ourselves into a desperate state, where we will need to make new trade agreements with other countries very quickly - desperation is never good in negotiations.
All this stress about detached bits of countries missing from the pins is more than a little crazy. The US and Canada are both missing about a third of their landmasses on those pins.
No need to apologise for being the voice of gloom; you're just being straightforward & realistic, which is a trait that's earmed you us 300k+ subscribers. Sorry about your birthday, but it's a bad day for all of us. Now I'm heading over to your store to pick out some new pins. TY.
As someone who is watching this happen from the outside, it seems like the natural outcome to things. No deal is supposed to be the default in the event that nothing could be worked out, which is what is happening right now. But Parliament is so grid locked that not even the default position can be attained, so this seems like a natural outcome.
@The Colonel so all leave voters actually voted for no deal? Not the deals Farage promised? Or the deal Liam Fox promised we'd get? That we'd be better off out than in, that's all fantasy now then? Seriously man, brexiteers now just want brexit at any cost. Half of leave voters disagree with what Boris has done, but want brexit. How about getting a good deal for the country? Just leaving because you hate the EU without any consideration for your fellow Britons is about as childish a reason for leaving as it gets. Those elected representative were reelected in 2017 AFTER the referendum. So if the people wanted a full leave parliament they would have voted for it. Or are you only in favour of supporting the referendum, not the election result??
@@Carl-hs420a depends on how you mean it i guess, by outweighing their vote great, disabling their vote not so much. One must always beware of authoritarianism no matter from where.
Secretly, this is the REAL reason Boris Johnson asked the queen to prorogue parliament. You think England is in charge of England, but actually, it’s Blizzard.
They couldn't get anything done last year, when May did not prorogue during the usual conference season. So BoJo probably thought, "Eh fuck it, might as well close shop and be done with it"
Not enough, apparently. They need to be prorogued more until they understand they need to obey the people, not rich multinational businesses with deep pockets.
Well not all of it is actual time off. The summer recess has other reasons, including members of parliament hitting their local districts. There's also a slew of party conferences coming up, all of which normally wouldn't be a big thing (or most people wouldn't even notice). The problem lies with essentially nothing happening in the last 2,5+ years, combined with the current madness of seemingly everybody on all sides of the argument kicking the can along till the absolute, last possible time. Parliament could have skipped, or changed the length of, their summer recess, instead everything went along as normal as the opposition (well lets be honest here, Labour) couldn't get their ducks in a row. The summer recess was most likely the only chance they had to let calmer heads try and sort out a unified vote of no confidence............
@@CellGames2006 you have no idea how economically damaging this will be do you? They are obeying the will of the people. The people who dont want to go through a large recession when the US economy is about to have one, which could weaken the world economy as well. That's a dangerous combo. Youd be foolish to think Brexit will be beneficial
CellGames2006 brexit doesn’t benefit large, international businesses. Honestly, it will likely kill the smaller multi-nationals in the UK or in the EU. They’re listening to the vote of a poorly informed public 3 years ago.
Why do you assume the EU will grant a delay? The EU was already divided on the previous request for a delay. Why do you assume the EU is willing to grant another delay? The UK has done nothing with the current delay. The first announcement after the delay was granted was for parliament to take leave. Over summer they took a long leave, and after return they will have a couple of days and they had planned to take another leave. From this perspective it's pretty ridiculous how much noise is made about proroguing parliament which results in only very little extra delay compared with all the leave they are already taking willingly. Without doubt some EU members will plead in support of a delay if the UK requests one, it's far from certain one will be granted, after all they all have to agree. Since november 14 2018 there is a published withdrawal agreement. The UK has to decide what they want. The options are very simple, accept the withdrawal agreement, leave without a deal or undo brexit. If the UK can't decide, and there is no reason to believe they would be more able to make a choice after general elections, everyone is better off if a decision is made for the UK. Make a choice or the passing of time will take care of it and eject the UK from th EU on october 31st.
I think UK needs to go through no deal scenario. It is quite obvious that you dont hold any of your politicians accountable for anything. So the pain needs to be felt. A hard lesson and a tragic one, but necessary. As an added bonus, EU can proceed with real problems, not temper tantrums of one delusional nation.
The data of the poll they used was horribly bias using phasing of the question that suggests an attempt to skew results to using a weighted average by ignoring the 20% of Survey responders who responded with "unsure". It was really a poor showing by the telegraph.
What would happen if MPs just keep showing up to work anyway? (I mean, the doors of the palace of Westminster might be locked, but since parliament is the collection of MPs, they can just meet anywhere they feel like right?)
@@unlivethesystem8634 In that case it shouldn't have to to be shut down, because it has a balance of opinions. Parliament represents the interests of the British people, and removing it to attempt to force a no deal is outrageously undemocratic
@@nametab6415 This parliament was voted for way before the Brexit referendum. Do you remember which party won a crushing victory in the last EU election in may? The current parliament doesn`t even reflect the will of the people, let alone how they percieve their interests. Elitist MPs that worked so long to undermine the results of a democratic referendum don`t have the right to cry about lack of democracy even if that wasn`t a standard procedure. It is a constitutional monarchy after all.
Yes, because decisions and debates don't take time, conducting research to map out consequences of actions is quite frankly irrelevant and to be fair the country did vote for brexit so it's what the people want, we just have to ignore the fact that not all brexiters want no deal, but frankly are they really true patriots? If only every country could just scrap democracy. None of that sounds bad at all does it?
To be fair, it's an impossible job...the initial vote lumped all brexiters into one group despite the fact that they don't agree with each other...no matter how Brexit is done, about 75% of the people would be pissed the fuck off. The remainers would be pissed off either way, but no-deal people get pissed off if there is a deal and deal-leave people get pissed off if there is no deal... How can anyone expect to make a decision when there are no good options? The initial vote was very much flawed and these 3 years are a result of having a flawed vote.
Leave: EU is undemocratic. Democratic vote: we're leaving. Parliament: delays and refuses to leave. Boris: uses legal mechanism to suspend parliament in order to force parliament to stop blocking the results of democratic vote. Remainers: complain about using the monarchy to leave, while also using the monarchy to formally beg the queen to block a no deal.
@@puffaliaz Since when did Parliament refuse to Leave? How is it proroguing Parliament in a Parliamentary Democracy democratic? When did we have a vote on no deal?
@@Cervando there was a vote to leave. No deal is the default option, the only thing guaranteed by Art.50. Having a deal in place for when the separation happens is optional (though preferable). Delaying the leave date is of questionable legality, and doing it repeatedly with no clear exit plan is horrific. The actions of the parliment clearly hows that they aren't going to do anything but kick the can down the road as much as they can, which is clearly against the result of the referendum. Involving the monarchy is clearly a last resort, and houldn't be done in a modern democracy, but at least it is just extending something that happens legally anyways, and is oly being used to stop further interference... as opposed to the remain camp who have for the last few months said they'd use a "humble address" to the queen to stop a no deal brexit (which is essentially asking the queen to step in and actually take legally binding action)
@@Cervando If proroguing parliament is not democratic why are there rules in place to make it possible? Virtually the entire extension granted by the EU parliament has chosen to take leave, but if they are forced to do so for a only tiny little longer through rules that parliament presumably put in place itself they start screaming..........
Those anti-government MPs should lock themselves in a room, have a Condorcet vote on whom (if anyone) to pick, release themselves once they've decided and stick to this next time they're in Westminster. In fact, the whole "indicative votes" episode could have been more constructive with a Condorcet system. In fact, the electorate could decide on which particular outcome they want through a Condorcet referendum!
The other parties, especially the Lib Dems, need to get over themselves. They're all stroking their egos. Corybn has the largest opposition behind him, and without Labour the temporary government would 0% chance of being a reality.
France and Belgium already have legislation in the pipeline that eases transition for financial sector companies, plus a few tax breaks here and there. And they aren't quite about it either. They openly flirt with any company that can't afford to exit the market but is in the UK right now :)
So my understanding is that Queen Elizabeth really did not have an option regarding this, as the role of the Crown is Ceremonial in nature now. Was there any solid reasoning for expecting her to not agree besides wishing so?
Yes, the crown's appointee for ceremonial stuff in Canada said no to arbitrary prorogation back in 2011. Then again, prorogation in the first part of a new government's term is standard practice in Britain, so you could say the only arbitrary part of this was the start date (or maybe the end date, I don't know how queen's speeches are scheduled). It is possible (but will probably never be known for sure) that the exact dates which seem less than optimal for BoJo were chosen due to some communication on reasonable limits between the crown and the new government.
@@TrabberShir Thanks! I had forgotten about the arbitrary suspension being denied in 2011. I guess my gut feeling is that as a Head of State, one would either say "if you are confident in resolving issues in that short of time, you can do so without dissolving parliament." Ah well.
@@kvandermeersch5753 Noobs, in Spain we had a PM for a few hours. He was appointed, he tried to stop the Civil War, he failed and he resigned during that time.
More people are upset about proroguing parliament, than about not actually honoring the democratic will of the public by the 29th of March in the first place. How dare Boris take away one month of their (extended) 2 year Charlie Foxtrot.
Stiggandr1 PSsssssttt Leave never campaigned on no deal, in fact the lead Leave leaders said that no one was saying to leave without a deal, there fore a vote for leave was not a vote for no deal, therefore leaving with no deal is denying the will of the public. If the 52% were united for a no deal it would've been passed already with no need for a deal being negotiated in the first place. If no deal is really the will of the public then another referendum to confirm this should be an easy win right? The question and campaign were should we leave not leave without a deal. All I'll say further is have fun with the union dissolving or having someone else start your car cause I think the Irish will have something to say about a no deal, something about The nice Tuesday agreement or something? Can't really remember it's a pretty obscure technical agreement.
Abit harsh us brits in general havn't had much control of the metaphorical sledge since the referendum. I voted to leave i wasn't sure about it at the time and I'm leaning on remain now. The sledge driving since we pushed it down the slope as been done by MP''s. You could argue I'm simple facing the consequences of my decision but as alpha pointed out some people didn't vote for brexit not just people who voted remain but kids who still can't vote, people who simple didn't vote and people who were to young to vote at the time. If our country can be said to have collective karma (I deny there can be such a thing but it works as short hand) then I see what you mean,.
I really hate brexitteers but you have to understand. We don't want the UK to be the anker of the EU since it seems like a large part of your population are not team players anymore. I still hope that the British people open themselves up to diplomacy and democracy across borders though.
If there were a way to just give the Leavers their Brexit and leave everyone else alone, then I'd agree. Life changing complex political decisions should never depend on simple majorities either.
Scotsman David Robertson has a much more balanced assessment: “The current parliamentary session has been running for two years (the longest since the English Civil War in the 17th Century). It was due to end anyway. The big concern for the anti-Brexit politicians is the timing. This will reduce the amount of time that they could debate Brexit. But only by three days!...those who are most upset are far more concerned about being in the EU than they are about democracy...They ignore the fact that the EU is fundamentally undemocratic...It’s the 2019 version of Millenium bug syndrome - remember when we were told that all the computer systems would break down, food would disappear and planes would fall out of the sky…etc...those who are cynically (or ignorantly) campaigning against the prorogation of parliament on the spurious grounds that they are defending democracy, are in actual fact campaigning to negate democracy - by preventing the implementation of the biggest democratic vote in UK history and by handing over our parliamentary sovereignty to an unelected, unaccountable, supranational body. I pray they don’t succeed.”
Once upon a time in Germany (1933) on a beautiful March day a certain party came to true power trough fiddling with parliament that changed the world... Thank god those absurd days are over. Right? Right....? Right.............?
Not a single german back then voted to be obliterated in a war. This time it might be an economic obliteration... Perhaps equally divisive and destructive in a 2019 climate.
@@Josh-xz4ec Sam tyler The Leave vote consisted of Leave with various deals and No Deal voters. It took both of those positions together to have a majority over remain. We may have voted to leave in the advisory referendum, but we most certainly did not vote for No Deal.
3 years they've had to sort this out. Ballsy Boris comes on the scene and is getting the job done one way or another. What's wrong with that? We all need to move on.
According to Dominic Grieve's recent amendment parliament can't be suspended more than 2 weeks, but how did they get Queen's consent for suspension of parliament for 4 weeks??
What a cruddy birthday present! Hope the rest of the day makes up for it! Thanks for the usual clear and concise Brexit update, your channel has been a life saver during this whole charade.
You know, in the Weimar Republic (1918-1933) the German President could also "close" the parliament, tho this led to the unlimeted Power for Hitler to do whatever he wanted
This episode of The Brexit Show is ridiculous. This show has jumped the shark. I think audience popularity is going to fall off before the season finale.
@@Josh-xz4ec Subverting our democratic process to force a No Deal is what's undemocratic. If we must leave, fine. But do so democratically so that the method of our leaving is fair to the people. Perhaps that might mean No Deal eventually, but more likely it would mean some kind of a deal. Still leaving, but leaving democratically. Forcing No Deal through this way makes a mockery of us all.
@@Josh-xz4ec the leave campaign had help from cambridge analytica and was fueled by lies. Not to mention that people thought it would be leagues easier than it is. And now BoJo needs to cancel parliament to get a no-deal through. It's almost as if this is resulting in something that nobody wants but we have to go through with it because of ignorant boulder-heads like you who cant look yoursel fin the mirror to realise this is manipulated top to bottom. This whole thing is illegitimate.
Boris has to restart Parliament as Mays Treaty has already failed the maximum amount of times in one session. So in a new session he can sprinkle Mays Treaty that the EU wrote, which was the worse thing ever, with Magic Boris dust and represent it to the house, vote for this or its No Deal. He can do that three times before he turns to us and says here's Brexit accept the Treaty or there's no Brexit.
I have zero dog in the fight (American) but i am fascinated and have such studied on the outcomes as an economist as a mental exercise for a long while now. Honestly, while no deal might have a few issues especially in the short term. In the end it will be most likely be better for you in the long term. I can not see any deal that would be a good outcome at this point as you lost a lot of your leverage. I know you want to stay in the EU which is why you blocked everything as much as you could but you cut off your nose to spite your face. You could have had power to control deal. A revote will most likely be a horrible idea as you will have civil unrest no matter who wins. It could seriously lead to something awful. Your best option would have said screw it lets not fight it...get negotiation power for a good deal or just have won the first referendum. As an example..... In America, Obama wanted to desperately pass the Affordable care act but did not have the votes really. So Harry Reid basically changed the rules on how the bill got through in pieces. All it needed now was a simple majority. This motion has now led us down a terrible path. This isn't a indictment on the bill or Obamacare really but the process that now has our country more divided and divisive than in a long long time. Rarely is bipartisan or negotiation taking place where both sides having to make a compromises. Why because you just need to campaign and get a simple majority. You never need to reach out to other points of view just win elections. So it becomes twitter feeds, facebook and public opinion polls . Basically few minor but vocal people controlling the narrative and pushing extreme political viewpoint on both sides of aisle. Heed my warning you may win the battle but ultimately lose the war
Had to laugh. One of the loudest argument by Brexiters is, that th EU is "anti-democratic". When asking for the first extension, it was stipulated the UK had to take part in the EU parliament's vote. Now, the UK disables it's own parliament. This is beyond ridiculous. "Wasser predigen und Wein saufen" (roughly translates to "preach water and booze wine") is what we call that. Cheers!
Were they? Summer recess is planned long before and I wonder what it takes to cancel it. Parliament not having sitting days doesn't mean all MPs went on holiday. Many of them might have been working anyway.
Thank you for calling out how much of a constitutional crisis this is. I know it must have been hard for you as a journalist to say it out loud, as you're always trying to be neutral. Your honesty is appreciated and I wish we had more journalists like you. Also, happy birthday!
Happy belated birthday. To honor the anniversary of your birth, I let all the ads for this video play to the end, ensuring full monetization for you. You're welcome.
No one will like this. No matter where they are polled. It was voted on 3 years ago and the politicians have spent that 3 year period trying to show how “disappointed they are with their constituents 🙄
james Coogan you can’t blame the queen since she is obligated to follow whatever the prime minister suggest. This is a lose lose situation for her but you gotta admit she is doing what she is supposed to do by law.
Barely Informed, change my mind: Mays deals dead, it couldn’t pass through parliament. To renegotiate a deal, a no-deal outcome has to be factored into the negotiations. MPs trying to take no deal off the table puts us at a disadvantage when negotiating. Therefore, to keep a strong hand Boris has to be prepared to take us out of the EU without a deal and without a divorce settlement. This levels the playing ground for a fair deal to be negotiated as both the UK and EU will be economically motivated. He’s not suspending it past the 31st to force a no deal, he’s doing it before then to force renegotiations.
You are clairvoyant beyond your years. The whining of the crowd is irrelevant as the strategy is what matters. Sadly masses cannot and wish not to see through the veils of complexity.
There are two problems : 1) Some people clearly consider deal "fair" only if they like it. 2) EU is not buffet style club where you pick what you want and leave what you don't like. 3) Thinking EU will renegotiate at this point before 31st is crazy. All members have to approve the new deal (do you see this "undemocratic" EU?) and many of them already politely told UK to f**k off with new crazy ideas. 4) Too many points BoJo wants out are points EU very specifically and directly rejected to remove. I.e. Ireland will never agree on any deal creating border between I/NI. And Brexiteers were never able to come up with some solution to that. They were just complaining, they don't like the Irish backstop.
Space Red but the positions that he is trying to negotiate a legally binding . Some of them are a matter of agreement, some of them are set in the stone of international law and can’t be changed by the European union or the United Kingdom
Space Red Boris is basically walking into Europe with a gun to his own head saying if you don’t give me what I want I’ll pull the trigger, hoping that you will say hey man be cool. The United Kingdom has the most to lose from a no deal situation, much more to lose than the European union does, Europe doesn’t want you guys to leave, it certainly doesn’t want you guys to kill yourselves but if you think Europe is going to change 27 nations overnight because England is threatening it self you are crazy.
You should hope for anything but No Deal if you just want this over and done with... No Deal would be just the start of a new mess. We'd suddenly have up start negotiating new trade deals. Trade deals that take over a decade to negotiate. We'd have to deal with all the changes No Deal would bring- especially all the issues that'll come from it. It'll take years to sort out.
@@XalphYT XalphYT In my perfect world we'd all be united in a single democratic world union. There'd be free education, shelter, and food for all. Human rights would be respected and upheld. In a less perfect world, the UK would remain in the EU, promoting unity rather than division. In the real world, I don't expect any of that. But I do expect that we'd at uphold our own democracy, not subvert it. No matter how fed up with the process, undermining it is wrong. If we must leave, then we can leave - but not by un-democratically forcing a certain outcome. As an aside, I actually have no issue with the backstop. You can't have things both ways, either you have a hard border, a deal, or a temporary backstop. It should be up to the government & parliament to decide which is in our best interests and act accordingly.
What difference does it make? MPs have had 3years (over 156 weeks) and they can't get their act together. So what does 4 weeks suspension got to do with constitutional crisis? If they truly care, they won't have gone on recess earlier but stay back to do their job.
I think there’s some MPs who are looking into the ‘advice’ Johnson gave the Queen (the Queen has to act on the Prime Minister’s advice) into whether or not it was valid. (Correct me if I’m wrong and this isn’t the case.)
@The Colonel if the queen has to act on the advice of the prime minister. Why shouldnt parliament act in the advice of the people? Which a referendum isnt, by the way. They could have taken a simple poll if they wanted "advice".
Bustaperizm Banks will throw in more russian cash grabbed out of the tax haven of Britain, launder it and say it came from a deal he declared as a no gain sale to the tax man. Brexit was paid for. Follow the money.
Here's what I would love to have happen: Oct 31. No deal reached. nothing goes through parliament. Britain loses its mind. Nov 1. EU: Due to your inability to reach an internally constitutional resolution, your negotiation period of article 50 has lapsed. You may reissue article 50 at your discretion. However, we informally request that you first pass an internal binding resolution addressing the Irish, northern Irish border before you do. Have a nice day." UK: "Wait... so you mean... you mean we're still in the EU?! What about no deal?" EU: "There is no such thing as no deal. You failed to withdraw as a result of your own political incompetence. Get your house in order, and reapply if you wish. You can reapply today and have two more years of negotiating. And if you fail again, and the time lapses again, you can apply again. And again. And again. And again, until either we reach a deal that passes the approval of your parliament or you grow up. All it costs you it whatever tatters of respect you might still retain." Basically, a no deal would be illegal because it wouldn't be approved by parliament, ergo the EU can't recognize a no deal situation. Thus, the period of negotiation set forth by article 50 would lapse and the UK's status would revert to what it was before the article was invoked.. TLDR: if parliament votes against a no-deal, as they have, then the EU can't recognize a no deal. It would be illegal.
moving from Paradise to a collapsing country torn apart by division and an upcoming wrecked economy resulting in increased crime and social unrest.......yeh, gr8 time to choose !...u shoulda moved years ago and had a few good years when it was a gr8 place...timing is everything.
Happy birthday. I got you a democratic crisis. Hope you don't have one yet.
My favourite!
@@TheBarca1889 We are still talking about the UK not the DPRK
We prorogue parliament every year and also every time we get a new government we suspend parliament before a queen’s speech, there is nothing unusual about this,
@@inquaanate2393 why didn't Johnson do this before the summer recess then? Or why didn't he make the suspension period only a few days as has happened in the past?
Even if he has got one, I guarantee it isn't like this one...
Ironic how the vote was about the EU but so far it's only exposed the broken system we have here
Actually, I think people voted out of the EU because the broken British system is failing them... They just conducted a 'dirty protest', because when you have no influence on anything, all you have left to harm is yourself.
@@acjswan or they could have held protests
@@RockPokTaoFong They could have done, but it's very hard to protest when you are working two jobs and have children to raise. Have you seen the price of public transport in Britain? Most people can't afford to take a train to attend a protest march in London - protest marches are for the privileged. Voting is where your voice is supposed to be heard.
@@acjswan Lazy.
UK system of government isn't broken.
5:11 _"...so it does seem that our audience is a little divided."_
John Bercow: DIVISION! Clear the lobby!
It's not divided. Facebook is just easier (and more popular) to bot-swarm...
Hahaha best comment on this page!
Twitter and Instagram are predominantly left wing (were as fb is a but more mainstream and full of boomers) and the majority of globalists tend to be on the left.
@@QemeH he said it's been shared with UKIP groups, so people with different opinions ... you know that's not bot swarming right.
@@Matteo_the_Plague_Doctor
Cheers! You're welcome.
I'm an American. I have no dog in this fight. Just honestly wondering.
No one liked May's deal. Boris will probably not be able to cut a great deal from the EU either. So...No Deal Brexit, right?
Dear Brexiteer: What makes you think you can negotiate awesome trade deals outside the EU if your negotiations thus far have been miserable? Your teams will suddenly get better? I simply don't understand.
Sssssttt don't ask tough questions to Brexiteers. They just call you out for being a project fear spreading remoaner. Anything to not accept reality is not as they were told by the great Brexit scam.
Take up some shorts. Might as well make some money if you can't change the outcome. I'm an American and that's what I've decided is my best response. 😏
Dear American,
The resit of Europe is looking on in awe also. It seems a lunatic journalist and ex bankers and financiers who would gain from Brexit have frightened the peasants and waved union jacks to stoke fear and racism. The same people have become party leaders and Even prime minister on the fear tide as they had newspapers behind them.
Now half the populace are desperate for an exit of the safety of the EU to a not so safe unknown place.
It’s farcical and scary to see the mob.
There is no more deal to be cut. The stuff in the May's deal is 100% consequences of the conditions the UK set, EU gave everything they could, but they can't give stuff that contradicts the conditions, and the conditions were fucking bonkers, and Boris wants to have more self-contradicting conditions, so no, no deal can be made, because the conditions the UK is setting are logically impossible.
I'd prefer just no brexit it was a shit idea from the beginning. All the flag waving racist have had their turn now it's time to stop. Just go back to your working men's members only clubs to drink warm beer until you piss yourself and fall of your bar stool.
every time I am sick with italian politics and politicians I come here and I start feeling better...
Underrated.
same here for Greek politics its getting a bit boring nowdays... this season of Brexit seems to be moving on a explosive ending!
I'm not sure if I'd rather watch the political hell that's going in the UK or the actual hell going on here in Brazil. At least the UK crisis seems polite and orderly.
As someone from the US, I'm sick to death of Donald Trump. Clearly other countries are having big troubles as well, but the chance to see something else is irresistible.
I'm sick to death with Egyptian politics, as in, everyone is in prison
So I watch the UK shitshow instead lmao
I'm here so early they haven't changed the title from the file name yet
Same
Filename gang represent
Filename gang!
Filename gang rise up
@@jono_high Still not changed :D
So the thing you've been talking about for MONTHS on this channel finally happens and it coincides with your birthday.
There is OOOORDAAAA in the Universe...
TL:DR really pulls the strings in this country..... its the only way he could get such a great present from ol BorisBoy 👌 its a conspirisahhh!!!!
Mate, if you read revelations... the fuckening is coming!
This comment cannot be upvoted enough times.
This is a like some wierd choose your own story book.
For vote of no confidence turn to page 45:
For altered deal turn to page 72:
For no deal turn to page 36:
It bothers me that you didn't list the options sorted by page number. xD
For extension of Article 50, turn back to page 2
To revoke Article 50 throw the stupid Brexit Book away 📕🗑
Only problem is that you can't just go back and pick a different choice if you don't like the outcome.
I want that, with all possible paths! (After the fact, of course.)
"it is easy to forget how mental this actually is"
happy birthday, Democracies are messy things, but does make for great drama.
Britain ceased to be a democracy in June 2016.
Say hello to the world's largest ochlocracy
You know this is serious when TLDR feel the need to remind people that this is, in fact, "insane".
The Colonel okay....
So, TLDR has not displayed any political views except one of a pro democratic one.
Johnson is doing something way more undemocratic than the second referendum the conservative party was against for being undemocratic (which is a fair point)
You are writing a pro democracy standpoint off as a political opinion, when it really shouldn’t be.
To me that sounds like you want What you think is best for the country without any consern for What others think, which is self-righteous at best and dictatorial at worst
The Colonel so you want to break the system of a democracy for a referendum from 3 years ago where a slight majority want a brexit (not even a no deal one)
And the parlementairians are directly elected (altough unfairly, but that’s another can of Worms) to represent the people. So by the way the uk works they are the foundation of the democracy
Breaking the rules of a democracy is Very dangerous, the likes of Caesar, Hitler and Lenin got to power by people who broke the democracy by ignoreing the rules of them in a crisis
@The Colonel for that matter, why have so many elections, right? Once the people have voted for who should run the country once, it would be completely undemocratic to have another vote on the subject.
The Colonel i Will not argue that brexit needed to take 3 years (since it didn’t need to). But many representatives do not feel that a no deal / the deals that were in place were good enough to see them trough. In my opinion a nation shouldn’t strife to make one good decision and a bad one, but as many decisions that are good enough for (mostly) everyone. That is the strength of a well functioning democracy.
Because if the government Goes trough with this, it Will send a president that prorogation is a method of taking care of opposition, which could be used against the people that use it now.
Ye it's almost like the bloke running this isn't almost definitely a remainer left wing snowflake
Let's give a HUGE credit to TLDR for staying calm and as unbiased as a human can be in such dire situation, I salute you.
@TheBaconHunter doesn't matter. 50% of leave voters disagree with proroguing parliament
@TheBaconHunter This is the point: he kept a high bar of being unbiased despite having a stance. Try doing that yourself next time
To be fair it's impossible to be completely unbiased but TLDR do a good job of presenting the facts as dispassionately as possible
@@randomdaveUK Even though this prorogation is clearly politically motivated, you do understand that the current parliament has been in session for well over two years while this supposedly unconstitutional democratic crisis of prorogation should occur by convention every twelve months? It's not the business of the public to vote about whether routines should be followed; this is a part of the English common law tradition, which is one of the key roots of the UK's political system. You can't call something a democratic crisis when a simple routine is followed by the book.
You also have to keep in mind that the parliament has had those two years+ to organize a Brexit, but haven't been able to pull it through because of a combination of incompetence and unwillingness. The Queen is a Brexiteer herself, and has been since 2016 (She said that leaving the EU would be "no problem" and that "Britain should just get on with it", and that was in 2016). Are you seriously claiming that politicians following rules in parliament is a democratic crisis but the two and a half-years old Brexit referendum not being honored isn't?
@@Aircalibur then why not only proroge for 4 days and get back to work?
I appreciate a man who takes his birthday seriously.
A man??
@@carlwinstone7363 A man?????????
If he likes men there's nothing wrong with that.
@@williampearson8328 thas GAY BRO
@@lupa3041 What of it?
I wasn't a fan of the Brexit show at first, but it hooked me in Season 2 and now Season 3 has me glued
Do you think they'll get a season 4 after October or do you think it will end with season 3?
@@MrCaptainRoscoe Season 3 is gonna be the end, but there's going to be a sequel series for sure
Season 4 is going to be the best. Lots of action, lots of blood and tears.
It was only supposed to run for two seasons.
The trouble is there is no majority in parliament for any outcome. So any result is "against parliament".
True, but some options are less unpopular. A Condorcet vote, by Parliament or by the electorate, could cut through this mess and find the option that's more popular when compared to each of the others.
We only know what’s popular by vote, polls have a tendency to be quite wrong. The vote was Brexit.
There is a majority in Parliament and in the country to leave the EU. We must leave the EU.
@@rvanzo925 - what form of Brexit? It's a poor illustration but imagine people are given a choice of ice cream. The choice is Vanilla or Not Vanilla. 48% want Vanilla and 52% say Not Vanilla. Now, when it comes to choosing the actual ice cream - some say Strawberry, others say Chocolate (uck) and yet others say Raspberry. However no one can agree. The default is no ice cream at all. Who is happy with this? Certainly not the majority!
That's the logic jam we have here. Given the above - vanilla is still the most preferred option out of all.
Boo Hoo Hoo. Waa Waa Waa.
You know when someone as balanced and impartial as TLDR says something is crazy, sh*t just got real!
Balanced, yes.
Impartial, no.
Just imagine any other job where you get a task, accomplish absolutly nothing in 3 years, and than take one moth off just two moth before the deadline (wich you already missed twice)...
We basically name it studies 🤣
To be fair, it's an impossible job...the initial vote lumped all brexiters into one group despite the fact that they don't agree with each other...no matter how Brexit is done, about 75% of the people would be pissed the fuck off. The remainers would be pissed off either way, but no-deal people get pissed off if there is a deal and deal-leave people get pissed off if there is no deal...
How can anyone expect to make a decision when there are no good options?
My GCSEs oof
@The Colonel The problem is that the public didn't specify HOW they wanted to leave. Which is kind of a big fucking deal.
@The Colonel "Deals will continue to be done"... Except if we leave the EU with no deal, we will lose the 50 free trade agreements we have with countries outside the EEA as well as those with EU countries, and be left with no deals at all. We will plunge ourselves into a desperate state, where we will need to make new trade agreements with other countries very quickly - desperation is never good in negotiations.
Birthdays are suspended from yesterday until October 14th.
😂😆🥰
Lucky mine is Oct 15th :-)
As a Tasmanian, thanks for including us in the Australia pin!
As an Australian I am worried that this new power/status will go to your head.
Btw I’m from melbourne
You are lucky! Sicily and Sardinia were not in the old Italian pin, so I couldn't buy it even if I wanted!
@@andreanari3341 Sicily is much bigger than Tassie. I'm surprised they missed it.
Who is this barbarian?
All this stress about detached bits of countries missing from the pins is more than a little crazy. The US and Canada are both missing about a third of their landmasses on those pins.
No need to apologise for being the voice of gloom; you're just being straightforward & realistic, which is a trait that's earmed you us 300k+ subscribers. Sorry about your birthday, but it's a bad day for all of us. Now I'm heading over to your store to pick out some new pins. TY.
Even Theresa May didn't do this… And here we thought it couldn't get worse!
As someone who is watching this happen from the outside, it seems like the natural outcome to things. No deal is supposed to be the default in the event that nothing could be worked out, which is what is happening right now. But Parliament is so grid locked that not even the default position can be attained, so this seems like a natural outcome.
While few people liked May, I don't think there are many people who thought Boris Johnson would make a *better* PM!
Theresa May was a reaminer. She either was incompetent to wage negotiations with the EU overlords or sabotaged them on purpose to delay Brexit.
@fireson23 I think Boris is giving a very good example how. By not bending the knee to them.
Hahahaha, omg, “take back control” they said.
Hilarious.
I mean the government is taking back control, they just didn't mention, that from the eu meant they included the British people as well.
@@willowarkan2263 😂
taking back control from the remoaners is a good start
@The Colonel so all leave voters actually voted for no deal? Not the deals Farage promised? Or the deal Liam Fox promised we'd get? That we'd be better off out than in, that's all fantasy now then?
Seriously man, brexiteers now just want brexit at any cost.
Half of leave voters disagree with what Boris has done, but want brexit.
How about getting a good deal for the country? Just leaving because you hate the EU without any consideration for your fellow Britons is about as childish a reason for leaving as it gets.
Those elected representative were reelected in 2017 AFTER the referendum. So if the people wanted a full leave parliament they would have voted for it. Or are you only in favour of supporting the referendum, not the election result??
@@Carl-hs420a depends on how you mean it i guess, by outweighing their vote great, disabling their vote not so much. One must always beware of authoritarianism no matter from where.
Imagine being an MP right now, WoW classic launches during recess, then they get another month off, talk about Pro-Rogues!
LOL..
Secretly, this is the REAL reason Boris Johnson asked the queen to prorogue parliament. You think England is in charge of England, but actually, it’s Blizzard.
Please don’t show your opinion - the comments at the end weren’t necessary. Really want a neutral source for reliable news!
UKIP only uses Facebook 🙄
Color me surprised
Well they are prob banned from twitter for not being insane
Because only people with no real friends use any other social media.
Happy birthday I guess, bet you didn't want THAT surprise.
Orange versus Orangutan in the next great episode of - Idiots of the World.
How many hollidays to these people get! No wonder were not getting anywhere. Parliament must be closed more than it is open.
They couldn't get anything done last year, when May did not prorogue during the usual conference season. So BoJo probably thought, "Eh fuck it, might as well close shop and be done with it"
Not enough, apparently. They need to be prorogued more until they understand they need to obey the people, not rich multinational businesses with deep pockets.
Well not all of it is actual time off. The summer recess has other reasons, including members of parliament hitting their local districts. There's also a slew of party conferences coming up, all of which normally wouldn't be a big thing (or most people wouldn't even notice). The problem lies with essentially nothing happening in the last 2,5+ years, combined with the current madness of seemingly everybody on all sides of the argument kicking the can along till the absolute, last possible time.
Parliament could have skipped, or changed the length of, their summer recess, instead everything went along as normal as the opposition (well lets be honest here, Labour) couldn't get their ducks in a row. The summer recess was most likely the only chance they had to let calmer heads try and sort out a unified vote of no confidence............
@@CellGames2006 you have no idea how economically damaging this will be do you? They are obeying the will of the people. The people who dont want to go through a large recession when the US economy is about to have one, which could weaken the world economy as well. That's a dangerous combo. Youd be foolish to think Brexit will be beneficial
CellGames2006 brexit doesn’t benefit large, international businesses. Honestly, it will likely kill the smaller multi-nationals in the UK or in the EU. They’re listening to the vote of a poorly informed public 3 years ago.
Why do you assume the EU will grant a delay? The EU was already divided on the previous request for a delay. Why do you assume the EU is willing to grant another delay? The UK has done nothing with the current delay. The first announcement after the delay was granted was for parliament to take leave. Over summer they took a long leave, and after return they will have a couple of days and they had planned to take another leave. From this perspective it's pretty ridiculous how much noise is made about proroguing parliament which results in only very little extra delay compared with all the leave they are already taking willingly. Without doubt some EU members will plead in support of a delay if the UK requests one, it's far from certain one will be granted, after all they all have to agree.
Since november 14 2018 there is a published withdrawal agreement. The UK has to decide what they want. The options are very simple, accept the withdrawal agreement, leave without a deal or undo brexit. If the UK can't decide, and there is no reason to believe they would be more able to make a choice after general elections, everyone is better off if a decision is made for the UK. Make a choice or the passing of time will take care of it and eject the UK from th EU on october 31st.
I think UK needs to go through no deal scenario. It is quite obvious that you dont hold any of your politicians accountable for anything. So the pain needs to be felt. A hard lesson and a tragic one, but necessary. As an added bonus, EU can proceed with real problems, not temper tantrums of one delusional nation.
The nail knocked right on the head! Very well put
Actually there a poll in the telegraph saying the people support proroguation.
The data of the poll they used was horribly bias using phasing of the question that suggests an attempt to skew results to using a weighted average by ignoring the 20% of Survey responders who responded with "unsure". It was really a poor showing by the telegraph.
What would happen if MPs just keep showing up to work anyway?
(I mean, the doors of the palace of Westminster might be locked, but since parliament is the collection of MPs, they can just meet anywhere they feel like right?)
Rory Yeung
Correct. Bercow mentioned this when discussing prorogation earlier; he said that if parliament wanted to meet, it could do it wherever.
You act like all of the parliament is opposing No deal. Do you realise how far from reality this is? Even the opposition itself is not united.
@@unlivethesystem8634 In that case it shouldn't have to to be shut down, because it has a balance of opinions. Parliament represents the interests of the British people, and removing it to attempt to force a no deal is outrageously undemocratic
@@nametab6415 This parliament was voted for way before the Brexit referendum. Do you remember which party won a crushing victory in the last EU election in may?
The current parliament doesn`t even reflect the will of the people, let alone how they percieve their interests. Elitist MPs that worked so long to undermine the results of a democratic referendum don`t have the right to cry about lack of democracy even if that wasn`t a standard procedure. It is a constitutional monarchy after all.
I doubt the cabinate would be there and you can't discuss much without the opposition being there.
Parliament already had several years to agree a workable deal, they really don't deserve more time to pull their collective thumbs out.
Yes, because decisions and debates don't take time, conducting research to map out consequences of actions is quite frankly irrelevant and to be fair the country did vote for brexit so it's what the people want, we just have to ignore the fact that not all brexiters want no deal, but frankly are they really true patriots? If only every country could just scrap democracy. None of that sounds bad at all does it?
To be fair, it's an impossible job...the initial vote lumped all brexiters into one group despite the fact that they don't agree with each other...no matter how Brexit is done, about 75% of the people would be pissed the fuck off. The remainers would be pissed off either way, but no-deal people get pissed off if there is a deal and deal-leave people get pissed off if there is no deal...
How can anyone expect to make a decision when there are no good options? The initial vote was very much flawed and these 3 years are a result of having a flawed vote.
David Bodor, I agree, the initial vote feels rushed and poorly thought through. David Cameron just didn’t think it would go this way I guess.
Absolutely. ..
Brexitards: EU is undemocratic.
BoZo: Hold my Parliament...
Leave: EU is undemocratic.
Democratic vote: we're leaving.
Parliament: delays and refuses to leave.
Boris: uses legal mechanism to suspend parliament in order to force parliament to stop blocking the results of democratic vote.
Remainers: complain about using the monarchy to leave, while also using the monarchy to formally beg the queen to block a no deal.
@@puffaliaz Since when did Parliament refuse to Leave? How is it proroguing Parliament in a Parliamentary Democracy democratic? When did we have a vote on no deal?
@@Cervando there was a vote to leave. No deal is the default option, the only thing guaranteed by Art.50. Having a deal in place for when the separation happens is optional (though preferable).
Delaying the leave date is of questionable legality, and doing it repeatedly with no clear exit plan is horrific.
The actions of the parliment clearly hows that they aren't going to do anything but kick the can down the road as much as they can, which is clearly against the result of the referendum.
Involving the monarchy is clearly a last resort, and houldn't be done in a modern democracy, but at least it is just extending something that happens legally anyways, and is oly being used to stop further interference... as opposed to the remain camp who have for the last few months said they'd use a "humble address" to the queen to stop a no deal brexit (which is essentially asking the queen to step in and actually take legally binding action)
@@puffaliaz It's still only half the country that wanted to leave though isn't it. Be honest mate, no one wanted the cluster fuck we've ended up with.
@@Cervando If proroguing parliament is not democratic why are there rules in place to make it possible? Virtually the entire extension granted by the EU parliament has chosen to take leave, but if they are forced to do so for a only tiny little longer through rules that parliament presumably put in place itself they start screaming..........
Corbyn needs to get over himself and agree to a temporary consensus candidate.
Those anti-government MPs should lock themselves in a room, have a Condorcet vote on whom (if anyone) to pick, release themselves once they've decided and stick to this next time they're in Westminster.
In fact, the whole "indicative votes" episode could have been more constructive with a Condorcet system.
In fact, the electorate could decide on which particular outcome they want through a Condorcet referendum!
Pardon me but what's a temporary consensus candidate?
The other parties, especially the Lib Dems, need to get over themselves. They're all stroking their egos. Corybn has the largest opposition behind him, and without Labour the temporary government would 0% chance of being a reality.
Amsterdam will be so happy with all the companies leaving the uk
I think what we dutch gain is less than what we lose. We might lose less than the UK economically but still no reason to be happy.
France and Belgium already have legislation in the pipeline that eases transition for financial sector companies, plus a few tax breaks here and there. And they aren't quite about it either. They openly flirt with any company that can't afford to exit the market but is in the UK right now :)
The biggest birthday gift from Boris Johnson, the biggest plot twist
Plot twist? Didnt we all saw it coming since season 2 started?
The idea was being kicked around in June, and members of Johnson's cabinet were saying it wouldn't happen.... Yeah, right.
Fair play for doing it on your birthday. Happy birthday have a good one 👍🏻
Give TLDR some money to buy lights for the studio
He should watch DIY Perks channel and make some on the cheap out of broken TVs
Lights? What for?
So my understanding is that Queen Elizabeth really did not have an option regarding this, as the role of the Crown is Ceremonial in nature now.
Was there any solid reasoning for expecting her to not agree besides wishing so?
Yes, the crown's appointee for ceremonial stuff in Canada said no to arbitrary prorogation back in 2011.
Then again, prorogation in the first part of a new government's term is standard practice in Britain, so you could say the only arbitrary part of this was the start date (or maybe the end date, I don't know how queen's speeches are scheduled). It is possible (but will probably never be known for sure) that the exact dates which seem less than optimal for BoJo were chosen due to some communication on reasonable limits between the crown and the new government.
@@TrabberShir Thanks! I had forgotten about the arbitrary suspension being denied in 2011.
I guess my gut feeling is that as a Head of State, one would either say "if you are confident in resolving issues in that short of time, you can do so without dissolving parliament."
Ah well.
BJ is trying to become the shortest-term UK PM ever. General election before 2020, yes or no?
He has 82 days left to beat the record of George Canning, it seems to me that the odds are in BJ's favor to accomplish this marvelous goal!
I said it before, but my "5-PM-year" bet is looking stronger every day :)
@HazardousPleb V no, if he gets no deal he will be out the next day. You seem to forget even the Tories over whelmingly don't want a no deal exit.
WORST. BJ. EVER.
@@kvandermeersch5753 Noobs, in Spain we had a PM for a few hours. He was appointed, he tried to stop the Civil War, he failed and he resigned during that time.
Happy Birthday, shame you had to come in on your birthday to do such a dire video
Brexiteer and proud right here bring on halloween!
Dire is the word. Your rant at the end undermines any impartiality you may have had. Bad move Jack.
More people are upset about proroguing parliament, than about not actually honoring the democratic will of the public by the 29th of March in the first place.
How dare Boris take away one month of their (extended) 2 year Charlie Foxtrot.
Stiggandr1 PSsssssttt Leave never campaigned on no deal, in fact the lead Leave leaders said that no one was saying to leave without a deal, there fore a vote for leave was not a vote for no deal, therefore leaving with no deal is denying the will of the public. If the 52% were united for a no deal it would've been passed already with no need for a deal being negotiated in the first place. If no deal is really the will of the public then another referendum to confirm this should be an easy win right? The question and campaign were should we leave not leave without a deal. All I'll say further is have fun with the union dissolving or having someone else start your car cause I think the Irish will have something to say about a no deal, something about The nice Tuesday agreement or something? Can't really remember it's a pretty obscure technical agreement.
@@gargoyles9999 lol... pacepalm
At this point UK really deserves a no deal brexit
At least 48% of the electorate don't.
Abit harsh us brits in general havn't had much control of the metaphorical sledge since the referendum. I voted to leave i wasn't sure about it at the time and I'm leaning on remain now. The sledge driving since we pushed it down the slope as been done by MP''s. You could argue I'm simple facing the consequences of my decision but as alpha pointed out some people didn't vote for brexit not just people who voted remain but kids who still can't vote, people who simple didn't vote and people who were to young to vote at the time. If our country can be said to have collective karma (I deny there can be such a thing but it works as short hand) then I see what you mean,.
I really hate brexitteers but you have to understand. We don't want the UK to be the anker of the EU since it seems like a large part of your population are not team players anymore. I still hope that the British people open themselves up to diplomacy and democracy across borders though.
well, since they are not a working democracy, they are not welcome in the EU.
If there were a way to just give the Leavers their Brexit and leave everyone else alone, then I'd agree. Life changing complex political decisions should never depend on simple majorities either.
Scotsman David Robertson has a much more balanced assessment: “The current parliamentary session has been running for two years (the longest since the English Civil War in the 17th Century). It was due to end anyway. The big concern for the anti-Brexit politicians is the timing. This will reduce the amount of time that they could debate Brexit. But only by three days!...those who are most upset are far more concerned about being in the EU than they are about democracy...They ignore the fact that the EU is fundamentally undemocratic...It’s the 2019 version of Millenium bug syndrome - remember when we were told that all the computer systems would break down, food would disappear and planes would fall out of the sky…etc...those who are cynically (or ignorantly) campaigning against the prorogation of parliament on the spurious grounds that they are defending democracy, are in actual fact campaigning to negate democracy - by preventing the implementation of the biggest democratic vote in UK history and by handing over our parliamentary sovereignty to an unelected, unaccountable, supranational body. I pray they don’t succeed.”
More like cowardly MP's are mad they can't further stall and try stop what the people voted for
Once upon a time in Germany (1933) on a beautiful March day a certain party came to true power trough fiddling with parliament that changed the world...
Thank god those absurd days are over. Right? Right....? Right.............?
Don't you think that this is a bit of a strech?
That would be Socialism, Right.!
James Bond Pretty sure that is what the voters thought at the time too...
IPJ Bradley Europe/EU IS a socialist system. Comparing it to nazisms ‘1.0’ version is a bit of a stretch.
Not a single german back then voted to be obliterated in a war. This time it might be an economic obliteration... Perhaps equally divisive and destructive in a 2019 climate.
I just wanted to mention that the automatic subtitles translates your web url at 0:53 as "Tod on new Skoda UK" and I think that's brilliant.
Fine moters skoda faster than a miniy cooper
Finally dropped that thin neutral veneer and went full remainer
Or told the truth like it is dude
As any good lawyer will tell you, Divorce is always messy...
“We’re in the Endgame now.”
BoJo: With the power of Haystack Platinum The Prorogue, I will stop parliamentary time for 5 weeks!
Cors, OrDIO, Nicolabolo and co.: *U W0T M8?!*
*TO BE CONTINUED*
Bojo's bizarre adventure
Part 1: May's blood
Part 2: No deal tendency
Part 3: Sawdust hamburgers
Why does everyone think that the EU will grant a extension? Maybe they have enough and wont extend it?
EU shouldn't grant an extension, we voted to leave, That's what's gonna happen.
@@Josh-xz4ec Sam tyler The Leave vote consisted of Leave with various deals and No Deal voters. It took both of those positions together to have a majority over remain.
We may have voted to leave in the advisory referendum, but we most certainly did not vote for No Deal.
3 years they've had to sort this out. Ballsy Boris comes on the scene and is getting the job done one way or another. What's wrong with that? We all need to move on.
Bout time someone " Boris" has taken a stand and is trying to make it happen
When the Queen is being talked about in the political section of the news, you know something is seriously wrong...
Was this filmed on the 28th? Because if so, we're birthday twins 😁😁
King .L. Dorius it’s triplets!
yes its my birthday as everyone else born on this day who knew 🙄
Same but there's only 365 days on which to have a Birthday. It's doubtless a lot of us 33,000+ viewers share Birthdays
7 way?
@@stuartmorgan3654 I saw a really interesting breakdown of the weird maths behind shared birthdays.... it's less of a coincidence than it seems.
According to Dominic Grieve's recent amendment parliament can't be suspended more than 2 weeks, but how did they get Queen's consent for suspension of parliament for 4 weeks??
because shes the Queen ..Watch Blackadder
Bro that file name "Prorogue Announcement YT 4K
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Brorogue
What a cruddy birthday present! Hope the rest of the day makes up for it!
Thanks for the usual clear and concise Brexit update, your channel has been a life saver during this whole charade.
Pins? Pins!! You're British man, the word is "badges".
We don't need no stinkin' badges!
badges are bigger than pins
Hey....you sound like a gammon :)
Happy birthday....or happy prorogue day lol
If your from europe, consider to buy their merch fast before tarrifs will apply :D
You know, in the Weimar Republic (1918-1933) the German President could also "close" the parliament, tho this led to the unlimeted Power for Hitler to do whatever he wanted
2019 we are still asking Europe and Germany what we can do.
Happy birthday young man! Keep up that good work, that is much appreciated :o)
This episode of The Brexit Show is ridiculous. This show has jumped the shark. I think audience popularity is going to fall off before the season finale.
A Different bias.
Hi, my name's Phil and I like talking about politics.
Happy Birthday!! 🎉 Thank you so much for uploading this, I hope you're having a good one
Very pro-european, but what about those of us who want Brexit to happen?
Brexit is the most undemocratic thing ever, I swear to god
Trying to stop brexit is the most un-democratic thing ever
@@Josh-xz4ec Subverting our democratic process to force a No Deal is what's undemocratic.
If we must leave, fine. But do so democratically so that the method of our leaving is fair to the people. Perhaps that might mean No Deal eventually, but more likely it would mean some kind of a deal. Still leaving, but leaving democratically.
Forcing No Deal through this way makes a mockery of us all.
@@Josh-xz4ec the leave campaign had help from cambridge analytica and was fueled by lies. Not to mention that people thought it would be leagues easier than it is.
And now BoJo needs to cancel parliament to get a no-deal through.
It's almost as if this is resulting in something that nobody wants but we have to go through with it because of ignorant boulder-heads like you who cant look yoursel fin the mirror to realise this is manipulated top to bottom. This whole thing is illegitimate.
Boris has to restart Parliament as Mays Treaty has already failed the maximum amount of times in one session.
So in a new session he can sprinkle Mays Treaty that the EU wrote, which was the worse thing ever, with Magic Boris dust and represent it to the house, vote for this or its No Deal.
He can do that three times before he turns to us and says here's Brexit accept the Treaty or there's no Brexit.
I have zero dog in the fight (American) but i am fascinated and have such studied on the outcomes as an economist as a mental exercise for a long while now.
Honestly, while no deal might have a few issues especially in the short term. In the end it will be most likely be better for you in the long term.
I can not see any deal that would be a good outcome at this point as you lost a lot of your leverage.
I know you want to stay in the EU which is why you blocked everything as much as you could but you cut off your nose to spite your face. You could have had power to control deal.
A revote will most likely be a horrible idea as you will have civil unrest no matter who wins. It could seriously lead to something awful.
Your best option would have said screw it lets not fight it...get negotiation power for a good deal or just have won the first referendum.
As an example.....
In America, Obama wanted to desperately pass the Affordable care act but did not have the votes really. So Harry Reid basically changed the rules on how the bill got through in pieces. All it needed now was a simple majority. This motion has now led us down a terrible path. This isn't a indictment on the bill or Obamacare really but the process that now has our country more divided and divisive than in a long long time.
Rarely is bipartisan or negotiation taking place where both sides having to make a compromises. Why because you just need to campaign and get a simple majority. You never need to reach out to other points of view just win elections. So it becomes twitter feeds, facebook and public opinion polls . Basically few minor but vocal people controlling the narrative and pushing extreme political viewpoint on both sides of aisle.
Heed my warning you may win the battle but ultimately lose the war
no deal is not a short term solution, it's a long term solution, an economic speed bump into a brave new frontier for the British people.
So in total, the UK is still screwed
What a shock
Happy Birthday man! keep doing what your doing, Excellent source of Brexit news
Just one thing.
PLEASE, PLEASE, write down your Constutution.
Everything is MUCH EASIER with a written Constutution
Had to laugh.
One of the loudest argument by Brexiters is, that th EU is "anti-democratic". When asking for the first extension, it was stipulated the UK had to take part in the EU parliament's vote. Now, the UK disables it's own parliament.
This is beyond ridiculous. "Wasser predigen und Wein saufen" (roughly translates to "preach water and booze wine") is what we call that.
Cheers!
People & Parlement: Vote to leave
PM: Makes UK leave
People & Parlement: :o
They were all happy enough to go on holiday though weren't they?
Were they?
Summer recess is planned long before and I wonder what it takes to cancel it.
Parliament not having sitting days doesn't mean all MPs went on holiday. Many of them might have been working anyway.
@@czarzenana5125 Are you suggesting they begrudgingly went on holiday because not doing so would be hard?
@@mickles1975
No, I am suggesting that there is plenty of work to do for MPs outside parliament.
Looking forward to getting my hands on that Scotland pin, looks great.
Thank you for calling out how much of a constitutional crisis this is. I know it must have been hard for you as a journalist to say it out loud, as you're always trying to be neutral. Your honesty is appreciated and I wish we had more journalists like you. Also, happy birthday!
Happy birthday Jack! And thank you for all the TLDR videos, they're massively useful and you're doing a great job!
3:00 Sept 12 - Oct 14 is 32 days not 23.
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I know this needed to be edited really quickly, and it's your birthday, but "procedure" has no double e.
A lot of their videos have typos.
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"Democracy is like a train. When you reach your destination, you get off." Recep Tayip Erdogan
Now i see where Boris got his inspiration.
do you do big posters of countries with legs? like ....say....Scotland with legs?
UK went full Venezuela, never go full Venezuela...
Btw. please, do make a pin with Speaker Bercow instead of a country. Please!
It goes without saying that he must be acompanied by text stating "orda, OOORRDDAAAA"
I'd buy this
@@yaboiinlouisiana4169 Everybody knows many people would.
No one will like this. No matter where they are polled. It was voted on 3 years ago and the politicians have spent that 3 year period trying to show how “disappointed they are with their constituents 🙄
All the remain MP are fighting for blocking no deal, when they should be considering the best deal.
A country run by the social elite, a monarch that shut down parliament and a resentful genral public i don’t know why but The year 1916 comes to mind
james Coogan you can’t blame the queen since she is obligated to follow whatever the prime minister suggest. This is a lose lose situation for her but you gotta admit she is doing what she is supposed to do by law.
@@sentryion3106 You mean by convention. She is the law.
Barely Informed, change my mind:
Mays deals dead, it couldn’t pass through parliament.
To renegotiate a deal, a no-deal outcome has to be factored into the negotiations.
MPs trying to take no deal off the table puts us at a disadvantage when negotiating.
Therefore, to keep a strong hand Boris has to be prepared to take us out of the EU without a deal and without a divorce settlement. This levels the playing ground for a fair deal to be negotiated as both the UK and EU will be economically motivated.
He’s not suspending it past the 31st to force a no deal, he’s doing it before then to force renegotiations.
You are clairvoyant beyond your years. The whining of the crowd is irrelevant as the strategy is what matters. Sadly masses cannot and wish not to see through the veils of complexity.
There are two problems :
1) Some people clearly consider deal "fair" only if they like it.
2) EU is not buffet style club where you pick what you want and leave what you don't like.
3) Thinking EU will renegotiate at this point before 31st is crazy. All members have to approve the new deal (do you see this "undemocratic" EU?) and many of them already politely told UK to f**k off with new crazy ideas.
4) Too many points BoJo wants out are points EU very specifically and directly rejected to remove. I.e. Ireland will never agree on any deal creating border between I/NI. And Brexiteers were never able to come up with some solution to that. They were just complaining, they don't like the Irish backstop.
Space Red but the positions that he is trying to negotiate a legally binding . Some of them are a matter of agreement, some of them are set in the stone of international law and can’t be changed by the European union or the United Kingdom
@Frank Sennholz A no-deal will just as likely break the GFA.
Space Red Boris is basically walking into Europe with a gun to his own head saying if you don’t give me what I want I’ll pull the trigger, hoping that you will say hey man be cool. The United Kingdom has the most to lose from a no deal situation, much more to lose than the European union does, Europe doesn’t want you guys to leave, it certainly doesn’t want you guys to kill yourselves but if you think Europe is going to change 27 nations overnight because England is threatening it self you are crazy.
brexit fatigue has lead me to wanting no deal and this all to be over
You should hope for anything but No Deal if you just want this over and done with... No Deal would be just the start of a new mess.
We'd suddenly have up start negotiating new trade deals. Trade deals that take over a decade to negotiate. We'd have to deal with all the changes No Deal would bring- especially all the issues that'll come from it. It'll take years to sort out.
Dan Davidson So in your perfect world we instead negotiate with the EU endlessly in hopes of getting out of the backstop?
@@XalphYT XalphYT In my perfect world we'd all be united in a single democratic world union. There'd be free education, shelter, and food for all. Human rights would be respected and upheld.
In a less perfect world, the UK would remain in the EU, promoting unity rather than division.
In the real world, I don't expect any of that. But I do expect that we'd at uphold our own democracy, not subvert it. No matter how fed up with the process, undermining it is wrong. If we must leave, then we can leave - but not by un-democratically forcing a certain outcome.
As an aside, I actually have no issue with the backstop. You can't have things both ways, either you have a hard border, a deal, or a temporary backstop. It should be up to the government & parliament to decide which is in our best interests and act accordingly.
Came to be reassured. Didn't work. This is a nightmare.
What difference does it make? MPs have had 3years (over 156 weeks) and they can't get their act together. So what does 4 weeks suspension got to do with constitutional crisis? If they truly care, they won't have gone on recess earlier but stay back to do their job.
I think there’s some MPs who are looking into the ‘advice’ Johnson gave the Queen (the Queen has to act on the Prime Minister’s advice) into whether or not it was valid. (Correct me if I’m wrong and this isn’t the case.)
Edie Archer You would be correct. The courts will rule in the prime ministers favour though according to legal experts on sky news yesterday.
@The Colonel if the queen has to act on the advice of the prime minister. Why shouldnt parliament act in the advice of the people?
Which a referendum isnt, by the way. They could have taken a simple poll if they wanted "advice".
Bustaperizm Banks will throw in more russian cash grabbed out of the tax haven of Britain, launder it and say it came from a deal he declared as a no gain sale to the tax man. Brexit was paid for. Follow the money.
Happy birthday!
I watch all your how the hell don’t I know your name?
11:44
As an outsider it looks like Brexit would be much easier if you just de-occupied Ireland.
Am I oversimplifying?
Here's what I would love to have happen:
Oct 31. No deal reached. nothing goes through parliament. Britain loses its mind.
Nov 1. EU: Due to your inability to reach an internally constitutional resolution, your negotiation period of article 50 has lapsed. You may reissue article 50 at your discretion. However, we informally request that you first pass an internal binding resolution addressing the Irish, northern Irish border before you do. Have a nice day."
UK: "Wait... so you mean... you mean we're still in the EU?! What about no deal?"
EU: "There is no such thing as no deal. You failed to withdraw as a result of your own political incompetence. Get your house in order, and reapply if you wish. You can reapply today and have two more years of negotiating. And if you fail again, and the time lapses again, you can apply again. And again. And again. And again, until either we reach a deal that passes the approval of your parliament or you grow up. All it costs you it whatever tatters of respect you might still retain."
Basically, a no deal would be illegal because it wouldn't be approved by parliament, ergo the EU can't recognize a no deal situation. Thus, the period of negotiation set forth by article 50 would lapse and the UK's status would revert to what it was before the article was invoked..
TLDR: if parliament votes against a no-deal, as they have, then the EU can't recognize a no deal. It would be illegal.
It already has been approved.
It is the default if an agreement isn't approved
I think i may have chosen the wrong time to get my UK Citizenship and move to England (from New Zealand).
moving from Paradise to a collapsing country torn apart by division and an upcoming wrecked economy resulting in increased crime and social unrest.......yeh, gr8 time to choose !...u shoulda moved years ago and had a few good years when it was a gr8 place...timing is everything.