I'm not a fan of May's politics but IMO she was the last PM who was competent and tried to do what they thought was best for the country. Since she left office, it's been all egos and self-interest.
That's because she let Boris in..Well it was David Cameron's fault. He held a referendum with leave and remain and not a reform question..The EU needs to reform and won't listen to this Brexit consequence..The EU isn't listening the UK has voted a revolution.. May more like Starmer in a way. Not a hard Brexiteer she couldn't carry it out and didn't need to. Bozo was with a Catholic. The CofE shows this. That speech was like the current Labour. Mental health/the class in education and the race thing. The Conservative Party doesn't conserve anything apart from itself! 😂
Here, here. She was a vicar's daughter and you could see a lot of her decency and fairness as a person compared to the many other clowns who occupied No 10 Downing Street under the Conservatives.
@@ac583 I respectfully disagree. Nothing in her approach to politics has indicated to me that she's in any way selfless. I'd class Truss as "power hungry".
There is so much I disagree with Theresa May on but in a post Johnson world it’s hard not to have a lot of respect for her. She’s clearly a person who has shown a great deal of integrity.
I agree but like Gordon Brown before her the integrity only gets you so far political nouse, person-ability and luck even are required in equal measures. Boris would have probably faired better had he had integrity.
I find it very easy to have zero respect for her. Someone with actual integrity would, upon receiving the OBS report unequivocally stating "Brexit is a bad idea and is going to make us poorer for a long, long time" might have thought "Okay, I'll just forget the whole thing, take the political hit and resign". Someone with no integrity at all, would continue spending millions of pounds trying to ram the thing down the country's throat while mindlessly repeating "wIlL oF tHe pUblIc" - on the strength of a 49/51 split in a non-binding referendum.
Quite nice to hear an ex PM just speaking normally rather than having to put on the mask and act in the way we as a society have decided leaders should act.
Amazing that Sunak, Truss and Johnson make May look like a political heavyweight. I am a socialist and wouldn't agree with May on much at all, but at least she respected her office and didn't spread extreme-right conspiracy theories.
This is May's attempt to compare and contrast her record in office to that of Boris, Truss & Sunak. Don't be swayed by the soft speak and calm demeanor. TM is simply another version of horrendous politicians. Repeat after me - there are no respectable Tories.
She is more of civil servant type of character. Sadly uneeceatble that kind of politican. I like her style and way but not her political priorities and sollutions..
@@gerryg1056 I'm not saying she was good. The hostile environment was one thing, but now we have Braverman using hate-stoking, fear-mongering, Nazi-like language to describe migrants and refugees. It's just not comparable.
I really appreciate adding the photos, names and dates of relevancy of the politicians & people from the past who a young person like myself may not recognise. Helps to follow the conversation without getting lost or googling who’s who.
The problem with the vans is that it was all talk and no action. Actually doing your job as the home secretary/priminister and deporting illegal immigrants is far more important than driving a bus around. I can't decide if it was incompetence on the government's side, or if it was the civil servants or an outside organisation like the ECHR.
Dont get me wrong I've never been a fan of Theresa May, but she had the guts to sit down and listen to the families of those that lost loved ones at Hillsborough and then take on and deal with the issues and is still pressing for justice. Nice to see grown ups having a discussion, instead of children shouting at each other.
Still. Can't see the old nag winning any pals Merseyside way. The UK is full of mugs. FFS look at Brexit. A curse on Tories. LABOUR. NEW OLD NOT SURE LIB DEMS. Dr please I need medication. Sorry son nothing left in the cabinet. Got took it for HS2/ Brexit/ Backhanders to Lord and Lady Muck on the covid gravy train. "Gee chuck ain't the UK swell?" "Why yes Marnie. Well all gotta that God, Prince Andrew, and the Great Architects Maggie and her beau Ronnie Reagan
As others have commented, I wasn't a fan of May's politics but she always struck me as a decent person who had a lot of integrity and a genuine belief in what she was trying to do. Feels very much at odds with all those that have followed her.
Are you having me on? Next you'll be telling me the one about the Tory who gave a flying fuck. Oh how my sides ached when I heard the old bint spout on about 'the burning injustice' of poor mental heath privision while presiding over the decimation of said services. Wake up muppets We've been mugged off. Class War!!!
She wasn’t decent. She was an utterly vile and disgusting racist whilst Home Secretary. Genuine belief in completely foul principles is not something to be celebrated.
As an outsider (American) looking in I am encouraged because the podcast has given a platform for people of opposite views to have a discussion expressing their views with respect for others views. It is what I believe to be missing in the US. As mentioned in the 12th minute this episode. Hopefully by having others around the globe seeing differing views expressed with respect can break people out of the echo chambers we find ourselves exposed to more and more. Thank you all for this and keep up the excellent work.
Theresa May was a useless, hopeless disaster as PM. We have had a litany of leftist clowns and traitors as PM since Thatcher, and Britain right now is "circling the plughole". We're practically a third world country now, with no industry and no economy. Our military is woke and almost non-existent and recently the US military told Britain its armed forces are now at a joke level and the UK can no longer be regarded as a serious military force, or even a serious country. Regrettably I have to agree with that assessment, and it's the likes of Theresa May that has destroyed Britain.
Because they all generally have the same views, Alastair Campbell was a Bush puppet who is responsible for millions of death in Iraq and Middle East. He was sat in the commons nodding to all the lies Blair was presented to the commons, to borrow Alan Bennnetts word…Alastair was nodding to all the lies on WMD like a dog in a back of the Fiesta.
What an incredibly tepid interview, I feel they missed a chance to be more direct about tory policy over the past decade. Then again she probably wouldn't have said yes to the interview if that was the case.
In the final section (Being a woman in politics) I was surprised and disheartened to hear that even recently, some male MP's attitudes towards Ms May were still so patronising. What does that tell us about their attitude towards half the population?
The importance of watching interviews should never be underestimated. Podcast interviews, that one listens to only, don't do justice to either the interviewee or the interviewer as one does not get to see reactions/body language all of which provide greater insight and understanding. Really enjoyed watching the interview!
Excellent discussion. I think politicians would be seen to have healthier moral compasses if they didn’t accept donations from shady individuals, or have second jobs. Personally, I think these two factors are the biggest compromises to a politicians integrity. The crack down on conflicts of interest has been laughable.
I don't agree with much of May's philosophy. I agree with your statement but i think like May stated, the media have a big role to play as well. They can heavily damage or destroy a politician's reputation rapidly if they don't sing their tune. So they're the politician's are beholden to them as well.
So happy to have stumbled across this. Like my view of Rory, I've always admired Mrs May. Lovely to see you folks talk politics - really fascinating to have this window into this conversation
Gotta thing for vicar's daughters then red? Sorry. Blue. Passed myself laughing when she did that Maybot dance. Never trust a Tory (or Labour/Libdem/ Jimmy's Secret Army😅
Despite disagreeing with her in many ways, I always felt intuitively that you could at least trust her underlying aim's to genuinely make things better - could never be in doubt. She has never me struck me as self serving as 95% of politicians do.
The worst bit about her time in power is she actually managed to get probably the best deal we could get with Brexit which would have minimised the harm done, but she was ruthlessly and relentlessly attacked over it. The result is a shit show of a Brexit that will have wide-reaching, irrevocably damaging, negative consequences, for decades to come.
@@rsb8380 I find people who still bang on about Brexit and it's negative consequences, at this stage, mind numbingly boring. Deal was done, move on. I hope you don't throw that kind of negativity at the children, it's just offering an excuse for failure. If you really think a 'state' can dictate your well being, then I suggest you change your philosophical view of politics and life - I'd suggest classical liberalism. Turn a negative into a positive, turn a a problem into an opportunity and stop relying on the state to dictate how you feel about tomorrow.
@@madzangelsyes, it’s a great opportunity now for us to have a period of renormalization with Europe, to grow up as a country, reform the voting system such that immoral xenophobes can never hold the balance of power again, and convince our closest partners that we are worth taking back.
Gentlemen - you are doing a great service. This level of conversation should always be present in any democracy. It should be present when the people are in power if possible.
Her comments about being an MP are very telling and show a respect for Parliament. I respect MP's who maintain an interest in their constituents. I cannot see Nadine Dorres, Johnson et al taking the slightest interest in the people who voted for them. Many years ago, I was told a story about Dennis Skinner by a well off land owner in his Bolsover constituency who had a Right of Way issue. He told Skinner that he never voted for him but was told not to worry about that, he would take up his issue and try to assist.
As someone who is not....er naturally sympathetic to the Tories I found the interview very interesting and have a much greater respect for Theresa May than before. I am saddened and concerned by the knee jerk partisan comments as they demonstrate just how badly polarised our politics have become. I don't understand, why watch the interview unless prepared to reflect on one's instinctive bias?
I don't think the comments are knee jerk? Many (most even) are saying they don't agree with her politics (rightly so because she is responsible for a lot of terrible stuff) but respect that she has principles and respected the office she held.
@@Red1Green2Blue3 May spent her career as a far right zealot. Some people see her downfall to farther right, even madder zealots as tragic but I personally always see the beauty in irony.
a wonderful, insightful podcast......finally a normal discussion about different views and opinions of people who are listening to eachother! I am not a conservative, but I love to hear Rory and Theresa make their arguments, it helps understand the essence of politics. I do not believe progressives and conservatives are that far apart in what they want to achieve....
Excellent. Love the balanced presentation and knowledge and snippets of background and clarity when mentioning someone’s name - or an instance in history. Used to see Theresa shopping in Waitrose in Twyford. Nice to hear her views.
What she did as home secretary is the reason public services are in the trouble they are. She destroyed community policing and ripped the budget to shreds. This is partly why we are in the strife we are. When the Police Federation challenged the cuts she accused them of "Crying wolf" awful home secretary.
@@tonysadler5290 yep, same here, I left in 2017 after 15 years. The cuts finished me off, changed me as a person, single crewing to violent incidents, ridiculous case loads , I had to get out, I have never looked back.
She is an old school tory both in policy, style and presentation. But she indulged Johnston and the far right when she was in office and look where it got her.
@@adamlee3772 This was a terrible interview.Campbell was clearly muzzled as the price to pay for getting a former prime minister interview.May is still ill at ease, wooden and weird. She put Johnston in a prominent job at the Foreign affairs because she lacked the balls to dump the prick on his arse. She didn't take on the right wing Brexit extremists in her party and they sunk her premiership. Sunak is making the same mistakes.Until the tories. become a centre right party and purge their party of the right wing Brexit nutters then they are screwed. Why are the current Tories all so wooden and weird? At least Cameron despite his poshness was reasonably normal.
When she became home secretary in May 2010, England/Wales had about 143,700 police officers. When she left the office in July 2016, there were 123,000 left.
I Love Theresa May! Didn't like her politics, hate brexit, but I like her a lot. Bright, intelligent, well-educated, responsable, hard-working, smart, well-read, polite woman.
LOL this is the women who deported British citizens because they were black... Jesus you really believe that any psychopath who talks nice in a little podcast is a good person. Look at her actions, not her words!
I think you've missed the point of the podcast. At 13:00 they literally discuss a person's politics, over character. You shouldn't "love" a political figure but "dislike their politics". Their politics is who they are...
Really? Do you really think so? Well you can fool most of the people most of the time etc., etc., This is the woman who gave an interview about the poor in Britain, WEARING hugely expensive leather trousers!!!
Quite a lot of soft questions I feel here... support for the book really. I don't feel her (in my view) weak legacy of government, poor election and attempts to steer Brexit over the line were given really any scrutiny. It's on these points history will really remember her.
'Decent person' and 'Tory'? It was May who created the 'hostile environment' that caused, amongst other things, the Windrush scandal. That was not the act of a 'decent person' in my book, especially given she's the daughter of a C of E clergyman. Can't say I have much faith but, from what bits of the new testament I am aware of, Jesus taught compassion. Not much of that under her stint as Home Secretary.
@@oliverleonard7730I respectfully disagree. Cameron, despite having some sort of semblance that he might have a clue, is possibly the worst PM ever. Almost lost the UK, imposed austerity which killed as many people as the Iraq war did, and, of course, brought about the era of constant disruption thanks to the Brexit referendum, rather than stand up to the right of his party. Spineless and arrogant.
How can anyone or anything control that Ego infested political party. All trying to climb over each other to get power make money. Even though when they are in the death throes of a deeply damaging term. They would want to win the next general election. To do what? That is the question we need to ask ourselves. Commit this political party to the dustbin of history.
May is one of the reasons why this country is in the state its in. Decimated the Police both as home secretary and PM and we have never recovered. Wonder why police don't turn up to a lot of reported crimes. Thank this lady and David Cameron.
Great guest, fantastic to See her working hard to explain and expand on political issues. Well done Rory and Alister. Keep educating and enlightening the people, please. Great show 9 out of 10. A grade information.
I mean...out of the two, it was probably more beneficial to let Amber Rudd commit political seppeku. She was a bit of an empty placeholder anyway from what I recall.
I can see the advantage of moving the centre of government physically North and spreading the population more uniformly. Politics is too stuck in the South of England .
She should be in jail for what she did to the UK. Trying to pretend she was any better than Cameron, Johnson, Truss or Sunak does this show a disservice.
Yes: the abuse of power starts with an utter failure of the Home Office to treat those unfortunate enough to have to deal with it as fellow humans. Much follows from this lack of compassion and humanity. It is cultural - did Theresa may attempt to address it?
Fascinating. Thank you, all three of you. Theresa May is probably the most decent human being to sit in Number 10 since John Major (possibly also Gordon Brown). Looking forward to the follow up. She was certainly handed Pandora's political box and part of her party threw away the key.
I heard her interviewed by Kim Hill in NZ and the relentless pushing of her book which pointed the finger at everyone else. If I hear "Well in my book....." one more time I could be ill. Government (as Rory points out via endless compromises and deals) abuses power at every turn. Public servants and others will take their cue from the leaders. I was not charmed or convinced she is any different from others. You can be 'nice' and also ineffective. Sorry to go across the grain and be critical but she made me cranky and she is boring to listen to (unkind I know). Go well.
Her biggest regret should be her record in office, particularly as Home Office minister. She is now only able to whitewash her career because of the utter shambles that has followed her.
I’m glad reading these comments May seems more respected than I thought. Taking her as a person and ignoring politics she seems like a decent lady with a lot of integrity, a nice person to sit down and have a coffee with. She went into the job to try and make things better, rather than being self serving. Although some things backfired. But it’s unfair to call her incompetent when she literally had an entirely impossible job of uniting a bitterly divided party, a job that everyone ran away from. Easy to call her incompetent instead of actually doing the job themselves
Say what you want about May, she is right about populism politics. Still an old fashioned, outdated lunatic, especially when she talked about the Tories wanting to 'raise people up'. Actual mental take.
@@Rory626 funny isent it, they still spout this shite when literally the only time things have been going up and up in all metrics for the last fifty years is the Blair era. They've had just as long in power and have done fuck all but carry on like good little neo-liberals and ransack the house whilst its on fire.
Some one who says she believes in social justice and upholding the law and who was resposible for the Hillsborough inquiry is a outdated lunatic. Hmmmm Mental take indeed but perhaps not hers.
Now this is a well balanced, pragmatic discussion on different political spectrums without the anger, extreme opinions or not valuing what the other person is saying. Really nice to listen and hear these opinions. UK politics needs to ensure this freedom to share opinions and beliefs in a safe environment is maintained and the move to a sound bite American modelling does not manifest there.
In my 70's, I have voted conservative all my life - I suppose because my family did - but will NEVER vote conservative again, after this last 3 years of appalling conservative rule, and appalling characters in charge. But for all her faults, I would rather have Theresa May as UK Prime Minister than any of the clowns that have recently been foisted on us. She is at least serious and authentic - whether you agree with her or not
Good comment sir. I listened to John Major recently, and boy did I feel the same. People may be right or wrong, but there should be ability and a semblance of integrity.
3 yrs? Don't you mean 13? Don't expect anyone to sympathise with you as people like you are the reason this country is in this state. Are you actually looking for sympathy from people because you are selfish and looking after no:1 and not thinking of others? You would rather have May as PM, really? I hope she rots in hell, she's cold, callous , heartless. Remember Windrush, remember Grenfell? No, I don't suppose you do.
What a load of rubbish about mental health. I saw with my own eyes working in the NHS for mental health services , the absolute destruction of some of the best services and treatments from 2011/12 onwards. Schools, my friends that work in schools have all seen the massive cuts and the impact this has had on services. I was sadly forced into taking medical retirement from the NHS at 42 just before COVID due to spina bifida, cancer, leg amputation and chronic nerve pain so i cant sit down most days. Thanks to the wonderful Conservatives my ill health pension was cut by 50% by a decision made by the government in 2015/6. Such a compassionate government. TBF May was probably the least bad of the PM's.
As an ex pat Brit this is an absolute joy to listen to. I’ve been gone nearly 35 years so I do appreciate the pauses for explainers to those who need a brief reminder on the back story of some issues. Thanks for the whole team involved …
Great interview. I'm a raging leftie and would spontaneously combust if I ever entered a church, yet this interview was very engaging. Watching you two batting May around was fascinating. I call out the interaction at 40:30 in particular. The sign language is such a sign of good cooperation. You're as if Becker and Federer were ever playing doubles, on the same team. Keep it up.
@@noworriesnoproblems6382 The Iraq 2003 war did bother me at the time, yes, as did the 2001 Afghanistan invasion. Blair, Bush, Saddam, and the others directly involved would not make the list of people I'd trust with my children, should I choose to have any. Given the relativity of the question though, no, it didn't bother me as much as reading about Stalin, Pol Pot, Baden-Powell, Hitler, Mao, Putin, or others of their ilk. I did read enough history for that. However, while I keep it at the back of my mind, I do not focus on that when listening to podcasts. It would seem you do, and all I do is hope that it doesn't overly close your mind to nuance and the free exchange of ideas, regardless of their originator.
Ha true! The clown show that came after her was the best thing that could have happened for her. Boris et al made her look reasonable and disguised her disastrous home secretary policies. Same for Cameron & Osbourne. They should breathe a collective sigh of relief that Boris took the heat off their legacy with his despicable buffoonery.
@zanmato3041 this is it! She was a horrible at both her main jobs, and yet we all seem to have collectively forgot/glossed over it. She doesn't get enough stick for her "oversight" for what led to the Windrush matter
Dignified, measured and thoughtful. There’s much to criticise Mrs May for, and plenty she did as Home Sec and PM with which I disagree, but the current crop of politicians could learn a lot from her.
I would have thought Maybot’s biggest regret was when it upgraded its operating system software to Maybot v2.0 which had a robodance programme that caused it to do the Iggie-biggie-biggie dance every time it detected music.
I am not a Conservative supporter, I firmly believe that Theresa May is a decent and honest woman, I liked he approach to the Brexit negotiations. In hindsight, I think she was a much better Prime Minister than she was given credit for. She was an undeserving victim of the Brexit hard liners. I took a dislike for her for the way she was responsible for closing police stations and putting the police in a very weak ineffective position in society.
I wish they dug more into why they did the vans, when the problem with it was so obvious. Could have really shone a light on how bad and toxic politics is promoted by the system as it is now. Also would have liked to see May pressed harder on what she did to the police, and how the state they are in now derives from her decisions.
On the vans specifically she's said previously that the idea of the vans was already in progress when she arrived at the home office and that if she had her time again she would have stopped them. It's not clear whether she was even aware. She is loyal to the party but my impression is that May doesn't just make things up, so there is probably some truth in that.
I could never vote Tory but I always thought that Mrs May was the very essence of a serious, decent and hardworking PM. She was the only one brave enough to take the job after the Brexit vote and then had to undertake the role with knives in her back. Bless her.
She is delusional, the Tories never helped anyone but their selves, their pointless austerity policy says it all and the reason the country and public services have been run into the ground.
She's has more dignity and morals in her little finger , than Cameron Johnson Dories Mogg Patel Braverman Sunak and Truss put together. And I say that as someone who leans left middle left and votes Labour. She was stabbed in the back by her own party and is a decent human being.
I think May's talk about "fairness" regarding immigration is a great example of conservative philosphy. Earlier she talks about the Conservatives being the party that raises people up but it's clear that it is just as important (if not more important) to bring down and punishing "wrong-doers". It is so important that they are punished that it justifies innocent people being caught up in the process.
Conservative politicians, no matter which country you find them, share two features: One, they are in utter (and often disingenuous) denial that a large number of people are in difficult circumstances, despite protestations to the contrary, and that require government intervention to "lift them up." Two, they are endlessly self-promotional, never missing a chance to take credit for things that went well and deny responsibility for poor decisions. Theresa May is experienced enough to know how to embody these two features in a relatively inoffensive manner, at least compared to recent populist incarnations. But, Rory chose to separate himself from the party when the chasm between his values and the party's became undeniable and unbearable. He also does not seem as comfortable being a self-promoter, even though he's rather good at it in a genuinely humble way. As so often is the truth, the leaders we need are those men and women who are reluctant to step (back) into a political system that rewards, elitists, egomaniacs and apologists and ignores people who genuinely want to serve their constituents and the nation. I sincerely hope Rory that you hold May's feet to the fire on her contention that fundamental changes to the structure of Britain's parliamentary democracy are not necessary. I'm sure you agree they are not only essential, but long overdue. The requirement for party members to tow the line, despite their moral objections is anathema to a true democracy, as is the peerage system. Alistair and Rory make a fine counterpoint duo, however it does get rather tiresome watching Alistair constantly seeking opportunities to catch people out and say "gotcha," simply because they are or were on the other sides of an issue in which he is or was involved. He is definitely not the type of person who is needed in elected office, because we need to rid the system of pettiness, not see further divisiveness, even if it's cloaked as "healthy banter."
Can I offer one observation? I feel party coherency and loyalty is natural and desirable - it is impossible to act alone, so groups are inevitable Our problem is a system that forces people into one of two ridiculously broad camps - we need a multi party system where both voters and politicians can find a group that is a natural size to naturally share values. The big parties are too big for natural coherency
Never ceases to amaze me that Ex-Tory Leaders always seem so nice and reasonable when it's not them directly responsible for the dire state of today, it's almost as if they weren't swivel-eyed loons with disasterous personal beliefs that left the Country a mess when they got the boot after all......
She actually used Liam Byrne's joke about their being no money left as a basis for arguing why austerity was a good idea. Scratch the surface and she's just as warped as she ever was.
Calm, rationale, knowledgeable discussion - about politics? Where is the yelling! the Insults! the petty partisan sniping! As an American born in the UK, this is amazing. Actually, it is quite entertaining but also very informative for those of us outside the UK.
Unbelievable! All May wants to do is try and re-write the consequences of the dreadful policies that she enacted during her time as one of the most damaging Home Secretaries that we have seen in modern politics, and to blame her failure as PM trying to deliver a sensible Brexit (an oxymoron if ever there was!) on anyone other than herself. Fortunately, she will be judged in the long term on the consequences of her failures by political historians. And the judgement will be deservedly harsh.
Whatever people think of her Theresa cared so much trying to do the right thing in her role as PM... great that you invited her on... in a totally different league to the former member for South West Norfolk
I listened to the pod cast. I don’t vote Tory, but I felt after listening that here was the last actual genuine politician the Tory’s had as a prime minister. I thought she came across really well.
As genuine as she is, our bar is now so low she comes across as empathetic and endearing. Don't forget her tenure in the Home Office, the "Hostile environment" etc.
I have a lot of respect for Theresa May, as a labour voter. I do genuinely believe shes a good person and i think its a shame that hwr premiership was overshadowed so heavily by brexit.
I used to attend House of Commons Brexit debates when Johnson was PM. I sat in the public gallery of course. Theresa May was keeping a dignified silence. This was at the point when prominent Tory remainers were expelled from the party (including Winston Churchill's grandson). Johnson was clearly in thrall to Cummings at the time, and the policy was to refer to anyone who was questioning Johnson's tactics (prorogation, lying to the Queen etc), as "traitors". Various members begged him to stop using that word. He persisted. A Labour MP pointed to the plaque on the Commons wall to Jo Cox, who was murdered during the referendum campaign, particularly as the murderer gave his name in court as "Death to traitors". Half the public gallery applauded. (Which is against the regulations) It was a passionate moment in that place. In his next sentence, Johnson turned to his bench, smiling, and again used the word "traitors". I would put a lot of space (or clear blue water) between May and Johnson. Mogg and Johnson seemed to take delight in tormenting May while she was PM, as she was trying to sort out the disaster that they had created. I have always seen her as a decent person.
I think a lot of conservatives are. I think people.born into wealth generally haven't had the same life lessons to be able to weather storms and run things in an efficient way
She was basically better than those who succeeded her. But, again, Brexit has wasted a lot of time for policymakers and politicians in the UK! They could have spent more of their precious time on other sensitive matters dealing with issues such as child poverty, food banks, heating costs, frozen living standards, zero-hour contracts, low economic growth, lack of diversification in the British Economy, fracking of proven shale gas and oil reserves, exploration of fossil fuels in the North Sea, etc.
At least the Scottish govmt has been tackling some of these issues. Oh and just to correct u and the little english msm. The oil field opening up to the west of Shetland puts it in the Atlantic ocean and not the North Sea. Idiots.
As a lifelong Labour voter, I always liked Theresa May. She had decent principles and in a different situation she would have made a great Prime Minister
@@dougallwinship it's only awkward because you obviously misunderstood what I said. I prefaced my statement by saying 'in a different situation', meaning that if circumstances had been different (ie no Brexit) then her tenure as Prime Minister would likely have been more successful
I'm not a fan of May's politics but IMO she was the last PM who was competent and tried to do what they thought was best for the country. Since she left office, it's been all egos and self-interest.
That's because she let Boris in..Well it was David Cameron's fault. He held a referendum with leave and remain and not a reform question..The EU needs to reform and won't listen to this Brexit consequence..The EU isn't listening the UK has voted a revolution.. May more like Starmer in a way. Not a hard Brexiteer she couldn't carry it out and didn't need to. Bozo was with a Catholic. The CofE shows this. That speech was like the current Labour. Mental health/the class in education and the race thing. The Conservative Party doesn't conserve anything apart from itself! 😂
Here, here.
She was a vicar's daughter and you could see a lot of her decency and fairness as a person compared to the many other clowns who occupied No 10 Downing Street under the Conservatives.
agreed. She was thrown under the bus by the Selfservatives and they should be (but won't be) thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
@@ac583 I respectfully disagree. Nothing in her approach to politics has indicated to me that she's in any way selfless. I'd class Truss as "power hungry".
I pretty much agree. She did inherit a bit of a messy situation
There is so much I disagree with Theresa May on but in a post Johnson world it’s hard not to have a lot of respect for her. She’s clearly a person who has shown a great deal of integrity.
she never showed any integrity in Government
I agree but like Gordon Brown before her the integrity only gets you so far political nouse, person-ability and luck even are required in equal measures. Boris would have probably faired better had he had integrity.
I find it very easy to have zero respect for her. Someone with actual integrity would, upon receiving the OBS report unequivocally stating "Brexit is a bad idea and is going to make us poorer for a long, long time" might have thought "Okay, I'll just forget the whole thing, take the political hit and resign". Someone with no integrity at all, would continue spending millions of pounds trying to ram the thing down the country's throat while mindlessly repeating "wIlL oF tHe pUblIc" - on the strength of a 49/51 split in a non-binding referendum.
how is it hard exactly?
Post Johnson does the heavily lifting here
Quite nice to hear an ex PM just speaking normally rather than having to put on the mask and act in the way we as a society have decided leaders should act.
Its amazing isn't it. Its almost like their humanity returns when they leave office
@@adamsubtract81 wait till Cleverly is out, she'd be the first person to be slotted in.
Instead of "we as a society" insert "the american government"
Amazing that Sunak, Truss and Johnson make May look like a political heavyweight. I am a socialist and wouldn't agree with May on much at all, but at least she respected her office and didn't spread extreme-right conspiracy theories.
This is May's attempt to compare and contrast her record in office to that of Boris, Truss & Sunak.
Don't be swayed by the soft speak and calm demeanor.
TM is simply another version of horrendous politicians.
Repeat after me - there are no respectable Tories.
She is more of civil servant type of character. Sadly uneeceatble that kind of politican. I like her style and way but not her political priorities and sollutions..
Oh, really? Who was it who came up with the "hostile environment" policy?
@@gerryg1056 I'm not saying she was good. The hostile environment was one thing, but now we have Braverman using hate-stoking, fear-mongering, Nazi-like language to describe migrants and refugees. It's just not comparable.
No, she just put the hatred on the side of a few vans and had them driven around ethnic minority areas...
I really appreciate adding the photos, names and dates of relevancy of the politicians & people from the past who a young person like myself may not recognise. Helps to follow the conversation without getting lost or googling who’s who.
I love this podcast really doing well at bringing moderate politics back to the forefront
I'd assume you'd be having kittens if Campbell interviewed Corbyn?
@@ally11488 no I think that’d be really really interesting lol
@@rickchros1919 Apologies. All the same I feel Campbell wouldn't entertain it.
@@ally11488 possibly not with it being very much not a secret how much the Labour left and Blairites despise one another
I’d agree entirely if Alistair Campbell wasn’t part of it! 🤣👍
"The vans were wrong" understatement of the year.
Why is it? illegal people unwelcome
Why were they wrong? Genuine question
advertising the law is wrong?
The problem with the vans is that it was all talk and no action.
Actually doing your job as the home secretary/priminister and deporting illegal immigrants is far more important than driving a bus around.
I can't decide if it was incompetence on the government's side, or if it was the civil servants or an outside organisation like the ECHR.
Dont get me wrong I've never been a fan of Theresa May, but she had the guts to sit down and listen to the families of those that lost loved ones at Hillsborough and then take on and deal with the issues and is still pressing for justice. Nice to see grown ups having a discussion, instead of children shouting at each other.
Still. Can't see the old nag winning any pals Merseyside way. The UK is full of mugs. FFS look at Brexit. A curse on Tories. LABOUR. NEW OLD NOT SURE LIB DEMS. Dr please I need medication. Sorry son nothing left in the cabinet. Got took it for HS2/ Brexit/ Backhanders to Lord and Lady Muck on the covid gravy train. "Gee chuck ain't the UK swell?"
"Why yes Marnie. Well all gotta that God, Prince Andrew, and the Great Architects Maggie and her beau Ronnie Reagan
As others have commented, I wasn't a fan of May's politics but she always struck me as a decent person who had a lot of integrity and a genuine belief in what she was trying to do. Feels very much at odds with all those that have followed her.
Are you having me on? Next you'll be telling me the one about the Tory who gave a flying fuck. Oh how my sides ached when I heard the old bint spout on about 'the burning injustice' of poor mental heath privision
while presiding over the decimation of said services.
Wake up muppets
We've been mugged off. Class War!!!
She wasn’t decent. She was an utterly vile and disgusting racist whilst Home Secretary. Genuine belief in completely foul principles is not something to be celebrated.
As an outsider (American) looking in I am encouraged because the podcast has given a platform for people of opposite views to have a discussion expressing their views with respect for others views. It is what I believe to be missing in the US. As mentioned in the 12th minute this episode. Hopefully by having others around the globe seeing differing views expressed with respect can break people out of the echo chambers we find ourselves exposed to more and more. Thank you all for this and keep up the excellent work.
Theresa May was a useless, hopeless disaster as PM. We have had a litany of leftist clowns and traitors as PM since Thatcher, and Britain right now is "circling the plughole". We're practically a third world country now, with no industry and no economy. Our military is woke and almost non-existent and recently the US military told Britain its armed forces are now at a joke level and the UK can no longer be regarded as a serious military force, or even a serious country. Regrettably I have to agree with that assessment, and it's the likes of Theresa May that has destroyed Britain.
Because they all generally have the same views, Alastair Campbell was a Bush puppet who is responsible for millions of death in Iraq and Middle East. He was sat in the commons nodding to all the lies Blair was presented to the commons, to borrow Alan Bennnetts word…Alastair was nodding to all the lies on WMD like a dog in a back of the Fiesta.
Apart from the fact the British politicans feed you BS when their in power and even more BS when they come out of politics. They are all delusional
I’ve never known nearly an hour disappear so fast.
Looking forward to next week
What an incredibly tepid interview, I feel they missed a chance to be more direct about tory policy over the past decade. Then again she probably wouldn't have said yes to the interview if that was the case.
In the final section (Being a woman in politics) I was surprised and disheartened to hear that even recently, some male MP's attitudes towards Ms May were still so patronising. What does that tell us about their attitude towards half the population?
I still dont understand why they burned peoples boarding cards. The maritme museum burned evidence of peoples arrival... why did that happen?
The importance of watching interviews should never be underestimated. Podcast interviews, that one listens to only, don't do justice to either the interviewee or the interviewer as one does not get to see reactions/body language all of which provide greater insight and understanding. Really enjoyed watching the interview!
Best politics podcast around. Just the best honest, real, clear, humanising, considered interviews. It’s like being in a back room of Westminster
Fantastic interview, thank you all involved in providing this on RUclips!
Excellent discussion. I think politicians would be seen to have healthier moral compasses if they didn’t accept donations from shady individuals, or have second jobs. Personally, I think these two factors are the biggest compromises to a politicians integrity. The crack down on conflicts of interest has been laughable.
I don't agree with much of May's philosophy. I agree with your statement but i think like May stated, the media have a big role to play as well. They can heavily damage or destroy a politician's reputation rapidly if they don't sing their tune. So they're the politician's are beholden to them as well.
So happy to have stumbled across this. Like my view of Rory, I've always admired Mrs May. Lovely to see you folks talk politics - really fascinating to have this window into this conversation
@@Denis.Collinsi suspect you are the dangerous one
Gotta thing for vicar's daughters then red? Sorry. Blue. Passed myself laughing when she did that Maybot dance. Never trust a Tory (or Labour/Libdem/ Jimmy's Secret Army😅
Despite disagreeing with her in many ways, I always felt intuitively that you could at least trust her underlying aim's to genuinely make things better - could never be in doubt. She has never me struck me as self serving as 95% of politicians do.
She's kinda hot too
The worst bit about her time in power is she actually managed to get probably the best deal we could get with Brexit which would have minimised the harm done, but she was ruthlessly and relentlessly attacked over it. The result is a shit show of a Brexit that will have wide-reaching, irrevocably damaging, negative consequences, for decades to come.
@@rsb8380 I find people who still bang on about Brexit and it's negative consequences, at this stage, mind numbingly boring. Deal was done, move on. I hope you don't throw that kind of negativity at the children, it's just offering an excuse for failure. If you really think a 'state' can dictate your well being, then I suggest you change your philosophical view of politics and life - I'd suggest classical liberalism. Turn a negative into a positive, turn a a problem into an opportunity and stop relying on the state to dictate how you feel about tomorrow.
@@madzangelsyes, it’s a great opportunity now for us to have a period of renormalization with Europe, to grow up as a country, reform the voting system such that immoral xenophobes can never hold the balance of power again, and convince our closest partners that we are worth taking back.
Love this.
Moderate sensible conversation instead of far right off the wall populist bullshit we have coming from today’s Conservative government.
A far right government that just let in 1 million immigrants into the country in a single year. Wow, how far right and "fascist" of them!
Gentlemen - you are doing a great service. This level of conversation should always be present in any democracy. It should be present when the people are in power if possible.
Her comments about being an MP are very telling and show a respect for Parliament. I respect MP's who maintain an interest in their constituents. I cannot see Nadine Dorres, Johnson et al taking the slightest interest in the people who voted for them. Many years ago, I was told a story about Dennis Skinner by a well off land owner in his Bolsover constituency who had a Right of Way issue. He told Skinner that he never voted for him but was told not to worry about that, he would take up his issue and try to assist.
Very interesting conversation between three people who genuinely listen to each other and put their points of view with clarity.
As someone who is not....er naturally sympathetic to the Tories I found the interview very interesting and have a much greater respect for Theresa May than before. I am saddened and concerned by the knee jerk partisan comments as they demonstrate just how badly polarised our politics have become. I don't understand, why watch the interview unless prepared to reflect on one's instinctive bias?
It sort of made her a little more human. shame she's still racist scum.
You can never expect to understand someone who can not differentiate between shared reality and their own perspective.
I don't think the comments are knee jerk? Many (most even) are saying they don't agree with her politics (rightly so because she is responsible for a lot of terrible stuff) but respect that she has principles and respected the office she held.
@@Red1Green2Blue3 May spent her career as a far right zealot. Some people see her downfall to farther right, even madder zealots as tragic but I personally always see the beauty in irony.
@@liamdevine8063 May a "far right Zealot"?? What did you regard Corbyn as? a Centrist? Embarrassingly narrow view of the world if you think that.
a wonderful, insightful podcast......finally a normal discussion about different views and opinions of people who are listening to eachother! I am not a conservative, but I love to hear Rory and Theresa make their arguments, it helps understand the essence of politics. I do not believe progressives and conservatives are that far apart in what they want to achieve....
Excellent. Love the balanced presentation and knowledge and snippets of background and clarity when mentioning someone’s name - or an instance in history. Used to see Theresa shopping in Waitrose in Twyford. Nice to hear her views.
Yah yah yah
go home vans
environment
go spin Theresa.
Very good interview with a politician of integrity. Looking forward to part 2.
Well Macron and Scholz are still running their countrys??
What she did as home secretary is the reason public services are in the trouble they are. She destroyed community policing and ripped the budget to shreds. This is partly why we are in the strife we are. When the Police Federation challenged the cuts she accused them of "Crying wolf" awful home secretary.
@@tonysadler5290 yep, same here, I left in 2017 after 15 years. The cuts finished me off, changed me as a person, single crewing to violent incidents, ridiculous case loads , I had to get out, I have never looked back.
All built on the myth (lie) which she continues to repeat - that we were on the brink of a Greece style meltdown.
Yes very true !
True and shes as guilty as the rest .
Osborne
.Very controlling
Sir Humphrey Appleby would be grinning from ear to ear….. superb interview 🫡
This is a British democracy Bernard!
She is an old school tory both in policy, style and presentation. But she indulged Johnston and the far right when she was in office and look where it got her.
Indulging Johnson is the worst thing anyone or any organisation should have ever done. Not just May.
@@adamlee3772 This was a terrible interview.Campbell was clearly muzzled as the price to pay for getting a former prime minister interview.May is still ill at ease, wooden and weird. She put Johnston in a prominent job at the Foreign affairs because she lacked the balls to dump the prick on his arse. She didn't take on the right wing Brexit extremists in her party and they sunk her premiership. Sunak is making the same mistakes.Until the tories. become a centre right party and purge their party of the right wing Brexit nutters then they are screwed. Why are the current Tories all so wooden and weird? At least Cameron despite his poshness was reasonably normal.
When she became home secretary in May 2010, England/Wales had about 143,700 police officers. When she left the office in July 2016, there were 123,000 left.
And how much did Osbourne cut her budget……
I Love Theresa May! Didn't like her politics, hate brexit, but I like her a lot. Bright, intelligent, well-educated, responsable, hard-working, smart, well-read, polite woman.
LOL this is the women who deported British citizens because they were black... Jesus you really believe that any psychopath who talks nice in a little podcast is a good person. Look at her actions, not her words!
*Responsible
I think you've missed the point of the podcast. At 13:00 they literally discuss a person's politics, over character. You shouldn't "love" a political figure but "dislike their politics". Their politics is who they are...
Really? Do you really think so? Well you can fool most of the people most of the time etc., etc., This is the woman who gave an interview about the poor in Britain, WEARING hugely expensive leather trousers!!!
So you love a xenophobe.
Quite a lot of soft questions I feel here... support for the book really. I don't feel her (in my view) weak legacy of government, poor election and attempts to steer Brexit over the line were given really any scrutiny. It's on these points history will really remember her.
I'm interested in why helping the rehabilitation post Windrush?
i totally disagree with her politics but she's always come across (to me at least) as a decent person unlike all the other PMs from 2010 on
'Decent person' and 'Tory'? It was May who created the 'hostile environment' that caused, amongst other things, the Windrush scandal. That was not the act of a 'decent person' in my book, especially given she's the daughter of a C of E clergyman. Can't say I have much faith but, from what bits of the new testament I am aware of, Jesus taught compassion. Not much of that under her stint as Home Secretary.
Cameron was also good as well but the last 3 a complete joke. @@buzzukfiftythree
Decent my arse. (With apologies to Ricky Tomlinson)
@@oliverleonard7730I respectfully disagree. Cameron, despite having some sort of semblance that he might have a clue, is possibly the worst PM ever. Almost lost the UK, imposed austerity which killed as many people as the Iraq war did, and, of course, brought about the era of constant disruption thanks to the Brexit referendum, rather than stand up to the right of his party. Spineless and arrogant.
A very decent person.....and good PM..... In a difficult party
How can anyone or anything control that Ego infested political party. All trying to climb over each other to get power make money. Even though when they are in the death throes of a deeply damaging term. They would want to win the next general election.
To do what? That is the question we need to ask ourselves. Commit this political party to the dustbin of history.
May is one of the reasons why this country is in the state its in. Decimated the Police both as home secretary and PM and we have never recovered. Wonder why police don't turn up to a lot of reported crimes. Thank this lady and David Cameron.
As they said in the interview. Things are just not that black and white.
Ah, another black/white view point. Big up the populists 🤦♂️
Great guest, fantastic to
See her working hard to explain and expand on political issues. Well done Rory and Alister.
Keep educating and enlightening the people, please.
Great show 9 out of 10. A grade information.
She was responsible for the Windrush scandal then let Amber Rudd take the blame. Shameful.
Yep!
She's just another Adolf
Sad
Not sad! Calculated and culpable.
Amber Rudd let herself take the blame.
I mean...out of the two, it was probably more beneficial to let Amber Rudd commit political seppeku. She was a bit of an empty placeholder anyway from what I recall.
So glad you’re starting to show the episodes on RUclips - I listen to the podcast but I prefer watching!
Does it not upset you seeing Alistair Campbell hands and all the blood on them?
This was actually a really good podcast. Sensible conversation between people who share political differences in a civilised way!
Don't let her off the hook old chap. She's just another venal blue rinse tory with a bit of Tufton Street window dressing. What what
She was the only Tory MP in the 2010’s that put the country before herself in my opinion
I can see the advantage of moving the centre of government physically North and spreading the population more uniformly. Politics is too stuck in the South of England .
She should be in jail for what she did to the UK. Trying to pretend she was any better than Cameron, Johnson, Truss or Sunak does this show a disservice.
Never listened this before but I think holding the feet to the fire on the hostile environment should have been stronger.
Yes: the abuse of power starts with an utter failure of the Home Office to treat those unfortunate enough to have to deal with it as fellow humans. Much follows from this lack of compassion and humanity. It is cultural - did Theresa may attempt to address it?
Absolutely not, I think she's only trying to recast herself as a great PM and gloss over her egregious policies. @@chriscarter2840
Red Ed and Yvette Cooper? I'd not have her as a Home Sec..No good..Labour needed fresh blood. Philipson not good as an Education Sec..
This was refreshing. Always felt sorry for her, came to No. 10 at an impossible time. Not aligned with her politics, but I’m glad she’s still an MP.
Thank you for that great interview! I hope we will see Obama and other important politicians in the future. Looking forward for part 2!
Fascinating. Thank you, all three of you. Theresa May is probably the most decent human being to sit in Number 10 since John Major (possibly also Gordon Brown). Looking forward to the follow up. She was certainly handed Pandora's political box and part of her party threw away the key.
I heard her interviewed by Kim Hill in NZ and the relentless pushing of her book which pointed the finger at everyone else. If I hear "Well in my book....." one more time I could be ill. Government (as Rory points out via endless compromises and deals) abuses power at every turn. Public servants and others will take their cue from the leaders. I was not charmed or convinced she is any different from others. You can be 'nice' and also ineffective. Sorry to go across the grain and be critical but she made me cranky and she is boring to listen to (unkind I know). Go well.
Good to see former Prime Minister Teresa May, she is looking great and fresh. I love her confidence. Another Iron Lady. God bless her.
Ah yes, the iron lady who introduced the poll tax. Make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Maybe you weren't old enough then to care or something?
Her biggest regret should be her record in office, particularly as Home Office minister. She is now only able to whitewash her career because of the utter shambles that has followed her.
Yes, exactly right. With a book out she can present what she didn't do as if she'd done it! Don't buy it! The BS.
I’m glad reading these comments May seems more respected than I thought. Taking her as a person and ignoring politics she seems like a decent lady with a lot of integrity, a nice person to sit down and have a coffee with. She went into the job to try and make things better, rather than being self serving. Although some things backfired. But it’s unfair to call her incompetent when she literally had an entirely impossible job of uniting a bitterly divided party, a job that everyone ran away from. Easy to call her incompetent instead of actually doing the job themselves
She certainly cut the police force by extreme numbers,and now there still trying to recruit them
That’s the reason why the Police heckled her as Home Secretary…
I love it that this is a place for grown up conversation
Say what you want about May, she is right about populism politics.
Still an old fashioned, outdated lunatic, especially when she talked about the Tories wanting to 'raise people up'. Actual mental take.
Gobsmacked at the audacity with which he said that after the last 13 years of austerity and wage stagnation
@@Rory626 funny isent it, they still spout this shite when literally the only time things have been going up and up in all metrics for the last fifty years is the Blair era. They've had just as long in power and have done fuck all but carry on like good little neo-liberals and ransack the house whilst its on fire.
Some one who says she believes in social justice and upholding the law and who was resposible for the Hillsborough inquiry is a outdated lunatic. Hmmmm Mental take indeed but perhaps not hers.
??? She opened the door to the crazy people! She appointed Johnson as Foreign Secretary!
But at least she’s polite and CofE eh?
Also her comments about there being nothing wrong with the political system. What nonsense!
Now this is a well balanced, pragmatic discussion on different political spectrums without the anger, extreme opinions or not valuing what the other person is saying. Really nice to listen and hear these opinions. UK politics needs to ensure this freedom to share opinions and beliefs in a safe environment is maintained and the move to a sound bite American modelling does not manifest there.
In my 70's, I have voted conservative all my life - I suppose because my family did - but will NEVER vote conservative again, after this last 3 years of appalling conservative rule, and appalling characters in charge.
But for all her faults, I would rather have Theresa May as UK Prime Minister than any of the clowns that have recently been foisted on us. She is at least serious and authentic - whether you agree with her or not
Good comment sir. I listened to John Major recently, and boy did I feel the same. People may be right or wrong, but there should be ability and a semblance of integrity.
Too little too late, your generation has put my principality into tremendous stress. How you sleep at night is beyond me.
you have contributed to messing up this country so badly that it is virtually unfixable.
@@Ronanbart564 well said 👏
3 yrs? Don't you mean 13?
Don't expect anyone to sympathise with you as people like you are the reason this country is in this state. Are you actually looking for sympathy from people because you are selfish and looking after no:1 and not thinking of others? You would rather have May as PM, really? I hope she rots in hell, she's cold, callous , heartless. Remember Windrush, remember Grenfell? No, I don't suppose you do.
What a load of rubbish about mental health. I saw with my own eyes working in the NHS for mental health services , the absolute destruction of some of the best services and treatments from 2011/12 onwards. Schools, my friends that work in schools have all seen the massive cuts and the impact this has had on services.
I was sadly forced into taking medical retirement from the NHS at 42 just before COVID due to spina bifida, cancer, leg amputation and chronic nerve pain so i cant sit down most days. Thanks to the wonderful Conservatives my ill health pension was cut by 50% by a decision made by the government in 2015/6.
Such a compassionate government.
TBF May was probably the least bad of the PM's.
All I can say about May is that she isn't completely stupid (by Tory standards), shes just wrong.
and racist
In your view. She might think you are wrong.
@@annishilcock4587 yep, she likely would.
@@b4dTechno "Racist" is such a facile and meaningless concept now. Its thrown around literally everywhere.
If you say Tories are all dumb, then you’re slagging off 90% of this country’s private schools 🤣
Eton, Harrow, Haileybury etc
As an ex pat Brit this is an absolute joy to listen to. I’ve been gone nearly 35 years so I do appreciate the pauses for explainers to those who need a brief reminder on the back story of some issues. Thanks for the whole team involved …
35 years and still not an immigrant? 🤔
@@EdwardLindon ?
As a libdem/lab, ive no doubt the country would be better off now if may had been PM during covid.
In what sane world is a LibDem/Lab a cogent political choice? One should be antithetical to the other. There is no choice.
Great interview. I'm a raging leftie and would spontaneously combust if I ever entered a church, yet this interview was very engaging. Watching you two batting May around was fascinating. I call out the interaction at 40:30 in particular. The sign language is such a sign of good cooperation. You're as if Becker and Federer were ever playing doubles, on the same team. Keep it up.
Does it bothered you Campbell is responsible for more suffering and death of children then most people in the history of the world? Or not?
@@noworriesnoproblems6382 The Iraq 2003 war did bother me at the time, yes, as did the 2001 Afghanistan invasion. Blair, Bush, Saddam, and the others directly involved would not make the list of people I'd trust with my children, should I choose to have any. Given the relativity of the question though, no, it didn't bother me as much as reading about Stalin, Pol Pot, Baden-Powell, Hitler, Mao, Putin, or others of their ilk. I did read enough history for that. However, while I keep it at the back of my mind, I do not focus on that when listening to podcasts. It would seem you do, and all I do is hope that it doesn't overly close your mind to nuance and the free exchange of ideas, regardless of their originator.
@@klumhruMay voted in favour of invading Iraq in 2003 anyway, so she's as culpable as any of them.
There are few politicians who have been so wrong so often, but get this much sympathy
Ha true! The clown show that came after her was the best thing that could have happened for her. Boris et al made her look reasonable and disguised her disastrous home secretary policies. Same for Cameron & Osbourne. They should breathe a collective sigh of relief that Boris took the heat off their legacy with his despicable buffoonery.
@zanmato3041 this is it!
She was a horrible at both her main jobs, and yet we all seem to have collectively forgot/glossed over it.
She doesn't get enough stick for her "oversight" for what led to the Windrush matter
Dignified, measured and thoughtful. There’s much to criticise Mrs May for, and plenty she did as Home Sec and PM with which I disagree, but the current crop of politicians could learn a lot from her.
As an Irish person living in Ireland I have great regard for Mrs May
Please explain
@@devilgod136why? You like division I suppose. It’s 2023 move on
Love yourPodcas, gentlemen. It is interesting, relevant and informative. Thanks😅
I would have thought Maybot’s biggest regret was when it upgraded its operating system software to Maybot v2.0 which had a robodance programme that caused it to do the Iggie-biggie-biggie dance every time it detected music.
I am not a Conservative supporter, I firmly believe that Theresa May is a decent and honest woman, I liked he approach to the Brexit negotiations. In hindsight, I think she was a much better Prime Minister than she was given credit for. She was an undeserving victim of the Brexit hard liners. I took a dislike for her for the way she was responsible for closing police stations and putting the police in a very weak ineffective position in society.
I wish they dug more into why they did the vans, when the problem with it was so obvious. Could have really shone a light on how bad and toxic politics is promoted by the system as it is now.
Also would have liked to see May pressed harder on what she did to the police, and how the state they are in now derives from her decisions.
On the vans specifically she's said previously that the idea of the vans was already in progress when she arrived at the home office and that if she had her time again she would have stopped them. It's not clear whether she was even aware. She is loyal to the party but my impression is that May doesn't just make things up, so there is probably some truth in that.
@@drdreel5559 Thanks for that! Do you know where she said it?
@@trytwicelikemice3190 I THINK one of LBC, Times Radio or Radio 4 at the time of the book launch. Doesn't narrow it down much in afraid!
@drdreel5559 I'll google it, thanks anyway!
I could never vote Tory but I always thought that Mrs May was the very essence of a serious, decent and hardworking PM. She was the only one brave enough to take the job after the Brexit vote and then had to undertake the role with knives in her back. Bless her.
She is delusional, the Tories never helped anyone but their selves, their pointless austerity policy says it all and the reason the country and public services have been run into the ground.
That is such a simplistic thing to say. That *must* be hyperbole... you cant really think " then never helped anyone"?. Thats quixotic and wrong.
She's has more dignity and morals in her little finger , than Cameron Johnson Dories Mogg Patel Braverman Sunak and Truss put together. And I say that as someone who leans left middle left and votes Labour. She was stabbed in the back by her own party and is a decent human being.
She genuinely did her best. She had a degree of integrity unlike anyone who has come since. I'm no Tory but I would happily swap her for sunak
Great interview.
@margaret-yr6uh lol what's wrong with a good stretch!
I think May's talk about "fairness" regarding immigration is a great example of conservative philosphy. Earlier she talks about the Conservatives being the party that raises people up but it's clear that it is just as important (if not more important) to bring down and punishing "wrong-doers". It is so important that they are punished that it justifies innocent people being caught up in the process.
Never been a tory myself but Mrs May was the old school variety. This latest bunch simply aren't in her class. Boris culled most of the thinking ones
May wasn't an old-school conservative. She's a centrist globalist like Blair.
Please upload more episodes to RUclips, regardless of which platform I'm on, I cant get the podcasts to download in Iran even when using a vpn.
She talks about Conservatives wanting to help the vulnerable, then time and time again voted to remove all their support infrastructure 😢
Conservative politicians, no matter which country you find them, share two features: One, they are in utter (and often disingenuous) denial that a large number of people are in difficult circumstances, despite protestations to the contrary, and that require government intervention to "lift them up." Two, they are endlessly self-promotional, never missing a chance to take credit for things that went well and deny responsibility for poor decisions.
Theresa May is experienced enough to know how to embody these two features in a relatively inoffensive manner, at least compared to recent populist incarnations. But, Rory chose to separate himself from the party when the chasm between his values and the party's became undeniable and unbearable. He also does not seem as comfortable being a self-promoter, even though he's rather good at it in a genuinely humble way. As so often is the truth, the leaders we need are those men and women who are reluctant to step (back) into a political system that rewards, elitists, egomaniacs and apologists and ignores people who genuinely want to serve their constituents and the nation.
I sincerely hope Rory that you hold May's feet to the fire on her contention that fundamental changes to the structure of Britain's parliamentary democracy are not necessary. I'm sure you agree they are not only essential, but long overdue. The requirement for party members to tow the line, despite their moral objections is anathema to a true democracy, as is the peerage system.
Alistair and Rory make a fine counterpoint duo, however it does get rather tiresome watching Alistair constantly seeking opportunities to catch people out and say "gotcha," simply because they are or were on the other sides of an issue in which he is or was involved. He is definitely not the type of person who is needed in elected office, because we need to rid the system of pettiness, not see further divisiveness, even if it's cloaked as "healthy banter."
Can I offer one observation? I feel party coherency and loyalty is natural and desirable - it is impossible to act alone, so groups are inevitable
Our problem is a system that forces people into one of two ridiculously broad camps - we need a multi party system where both voters and politicians can find a group that is a natural size to naturally share values. The big parties are too big for natural coherency
According to my experiences the mentioned description of conservative politicians fit exactly the left wing ones.
@@katalinrobin6222 where did you find a left wing politician? They're a rare breed!
UK spends more on welfare than ever. Whatever you may think of so-called "conservative" politicians, the UK is truly enourmous welfare spender.
@0w784g much of which is for people in work, because we have embarrassingly low wages in this country for many roles 🙁
NO mention in any interview of any REGRET for stopping the Education Maintenance Allowance
Never ceases to amaze me that Ex-Tory Leaders always seem so nice and reasonable when it's not them directly responsible for the dire state of today, it's almost as if they weren't swivel-eyed loons with disasterous personal beliefs that left the Country a mess when they got the boot after all......
Has it occurred to you that maybe your media sources influenced your perception of her?
She actually used Liam Byrne's joke about their being no money left as a basis for arguing why austerity was a good idea. Scratch the surface and she's just as warped as she ever was.
@orangutanfan3179 everyone promised austerity in 2010. Darling, Osborne and Cable all said the cuts would be deeper than Thatcher.
lol you mean, the 100% of media sources that are owned by tory supporting billionaires?@@danw5760
Ever thought you’ve been fed a line by a) the press and b) the more extreme of the opposition
Calm, rationale, knowledgeable discussion - about politics? Where is the yelling! the Insults! the petty partisan sniping! As an American born in the UK, this is amazing. Actually, it is quite entertaining but also very informative for those of us outside the UK.
Unbelievable! All May wants to do is try and re-write the consequences of the dreadful policies that she enacted during her time as one of the most damaging Home Secretaries that we have seen in modern politics, and to blame her failure as PM trying to deliver a sensible Brexit (an oxymoron if ever there was!) on anyone other than herself. Fortunately, she will be judged in the long term on the consequences of her failures by political historians. And the judgement will be deservedly harsh.
Whatever people think of her Theresa cared so much trying to do the right thing in her role as PM... great that you invited her on... in a totally different league to the former member for South West Norfolk
I listened to the pod cast. I don’t vote Tory, but I felt after listening that here was the last actual genuine politician the Tory’s had as a prime minister. I thought she came across really well.
As genuine as she is, our bar is now so low she comes across as empathetic and endearing. Don't forget her tenure in the Home Office, the "Hostile environment" etc.
I have a lot of respect for Theresa May, as a labour voter. I do genuinely believe shes a good person and i think its a shame that hwr premiership was overshadowed so heavily by brexit.
What an indictment of the Tories to have chosen May,Johnson and then the silly schoolgirl Truss to assume the mantle of Prime Minister of this nation.
I used to attend House of Commons Brexit debates when Johnson was PM. I sat in the public gallery of course. Theresa May was keeping a dignified silence. This was at the point when prominent Tory remainers were expelled from the party (including Winston Churchill's grandson). Johnson was clearly in thrall to Cummings at the time, and the policy was to refer to anyone who was questioning Johnson's tactics (prorogation, lying to the Queen etc), as "traitors". Various members begged him to stop using that word. He persisted. A Labour MP pointed to the plaque on the Commons wall to Jo Cox, who was murdered during the referendum campaign, particularly as the murderer gave his name in court as "Death to traitors". Half the public gallery applauded. (Which is against the regulations) It was a passionate moment in that place. In his next sentence, Johnson turned to his bench, smiling, and again used the word "traitors".
I would put a lot of space (or clear blue water) between May and Johnson. Mogg and Johnson seemed to take delight in tormenting May while she was PM, as she was trying to sort out the disaster that they had created. I have always seen her as a decent person.
May is in complete denial about what Conservatism as actually is (in terms of how it affects people, not just her idealistic version of it)
I think a lot of conservatives are. I think people.born into wealth generally haven't had the same life lessons to be able to weather storms and run things in an efficient way
You watch GB news dont you- you must be very clever and understand the detail of issues.
Rory is much the same.
All of the "reasonable" conservatives are like that
Out of interest why have you concluded this person must watch gb news rather than say novara media?
We didn't know how good we had it back then - Johnson, Truss and Sunak have shown what a good PM May was.
No, May was terrible and 3 after were and are even worse.
Shameful attempt at rebranding this shameless, corrupt individual.
'Price of everything and value of nothing' - Thank you for that.
Great debate, all thee great people, thank you. :-)
That Hillsborough picture is haunting. I dont think papers now would publish it and usually the RUclips algorithm wouldnt let it fly either.
Political Hero really Rory shes a terrible woman from a terrible party
She was basically better than those who succeeded her. But, again, Brexit has wasted a lot of time for policymakers and politicians in the UK! They could have spent more of their precious time on other sensitive matters dealing with issues such as child poverty, food banks, heating costs, frozen living standards, zero-hour contracts, low economic growth, lack of diversification in the British Economy, fracking of proven shale gas and oil reserves, exploration of fossil fuels in the North Sea, etc.
At least the Scottish govmt has been tackling some of these issues. Oh and just to correct u and the little english msm. The oil field opening up to the west of Shetland puts it in the Atlantic ocean and not the North Sea. Idiots.
As a lifelong Labour voter, I always liked Theresa May. She had decent principles and in a different situation she would have made a great Prime Minister
erm, bit awkward to mention this, but she *was* Prime Minister from 2016-2019
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT?
WINDRUSH, DEMONISATION OF MIGRANTS, DEMENTIA TAX, ARMING OF SAUDI ARABIA IN YEMEN, AUSTERITY????
@@dougallwinship it's only awkward because you obviously misunderstood what I said. I prefaced my statement by saying 'in a different situation', meaning that if circumstances had been different (ie no Brexit) then her tenure as Prime Minister would likely have been more successful
have you forgotten when she shook the money tree and found a billion pounds for the DUP? Not exactly a highly principled person.
@@RR-sp3ey no, that was factored into my opinion
I wish she was half as sensible during her time as the PM as she came across during this interview. What a contrast!