7 Tests to Know if you're Truly Saved
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- If eternity in either heaven (/new heavens and earth) or hell are real, then it is critical to know if one is going to arrive at the right destination. This video summaries seven points from the New Testament about how a Christian can know if they are in fact saved.
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Great video!
Glad it is of some value. Means a lot coming from Mr Croome. Thank you 🙏
I've asked him to save me(called upon the Lord) if I go off of fruit I would say my view on my sin is different and I do feel conviction. I however am disappointed at times because I'm not as vocal about my faith or able to pray aloud. Not sure if its because I overthink or am an isolated person but before I was saved I had people full of joy witness to me in public. Why am I not like this?
Hello Steven - thanks for being so open. You seem to be in the right place spiritually - aware of sin, and aware of an area you can grow in (we can all grow in areas of our walk with Jesus). This passage comes to mind:
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, (Jude)
I think joy comes with seeing God's power in and through us. Sometimes this goes hand in hand with evangelising. Not everyone is called to be an "evangelist", but we should be equipped by them (see Ephesians) to evangelise. (*you probably already know these things, but doesn't hurt to be reminded / encouraged - am speaking to myself, also)
Thank you. I can most likely be used in a way I'm not yet knowing. I know I'm a fallen sinner bit I just want to serve the Lord Jesus Christ.
This video should be called "7 Test to make you doubt you're truly saved."
This is works salvation.
How so?
@Matthew515 To begin with you cited at the start two scriptures out of context (Mt 7 & 2 Kor 13) to establish the notion that we are to test whether we are saved or not by works according to seven tests.
Test 1. This one started well but you added some questionable qualifications (heart level faith, confessions of faith, submission to Christ). You really require more than faith for salvation here. A special kind of faith, confessions and a submissive life, all of which are additional conditions for salvation.
Test 2. This question is already answered if you believed. And again this unbiblical and subjective notion of "true deep down heart level belief" came up. Also you equated relationship with God with fellowship with God. The first is established after faith has been exercised, the second is a matter of ongoing sanctification. You require an ongoing holy walk for salvation.
Test 3. Should already be taken care of in conversion (just like test 2). Appearantly you require ongoing conviction of sin for salvation. And you misinterpreted 1 Cor 6_9-11, making works (or the avoidance of certain sins or sinful lifestyles) a condition for salvation.
Test 4. A desire to do right as a test of salvation. A very subjective standard. Then you misinterpreted passages from 1 John, making the works listed there conditions for salvation.
Test 5. You make the fruit of the spirit (ultimately good works) conditions for salvation.
Test 6. Another very subjective standard. You misuse scriptures again and make a subjective spiritual experience a condition for salvation in the process.
Test 7. You equate salvation with discipleship, making love or works of love a condition for salvation.
You might object in saying that this whole catalog of works are just evidence of salvation. But subtract the works and you go to hell. Faith + works as evidence is still faith + works, not faith alone.
Here is the one true test. Do you believe in Jesus Christ who died for your sins and rose again (1 Cor 15_3-4) and who promises eternal life for those who simply trust in him alone (instead of works before or after conversion)?
If so, you are saved. Otherwise God would be a liar. The promise of the gospel is enough to find assurance of salvation and is really the only thing that can give true assurance. We are to look to Christ for salvation before conversion and we are to look to Christ after conversion for the assurance of salvation.
@@minorsingingairhead I acknowledge that I did not provide the contexts of all the verses cited, but this is more for the sake of brevity. I understand 2 Corinthians to be much about Paul's apostolic authority being defended, but verse 5 still holds as applicable in a wider principle sense. 1 John is much about what it means to be a true believer, as is the Matthew 7 reference. Can you explain to me why they would not support the idea of ensuring one is genuinely saved? And, yes, I would object by saying that works (or *fruit*) is the evidence of genuine faith. What do you do with the argumentation in James on this matter?
@@Matthew515tweet There is an underlying paradigm, accepted by most bible believing christians that states: "Faith alone saves, but the faith that saves is not alone." But this is a false paradigm (Calvin and the puritans are mostly at fault for this understanding, I believe). You might as well say: "Faith alone saves, but faith plus good works saves." Bottom line, no works, no salvation. This view is simply a convention of the church to battle "false Christianity" that inevitably leads to a form of legalism and a looking away from Christ to self. Grace itself has been effectively negated that way, but many don't realize it. Calvinists with their doctrine of the perseverance of the saints subscribe to it by necessity. But most non-Calvinists bought into that as well.
I recommend Fred R. Lybrand's book "Back to Faith: Reclaiming Gospel Clarity in an Age of Incongruence" on the whole issue.
I suppose you can apply 2 Cor 13_5 that way, if the goal of this testing is to clarify for someone what it means to believe the gospel and what the content of the gospel is. It might be that the person thinks he has to do good works to be saved or that believing the gospel necessarily includes good works somehow - both wrong ideas that destroy the gospel. So yes, I can ask a Christian those questions "to see whether they are in the faith," so to say. But in contrast, these 7 tests include works and many subjective qualities that have to be found in the believer. I think, assurance of salvation for you is less about the object of faith (Christ and the gospel) and more about the quality of one's faith (indicated by good works). That way the person is lead to trust in his faith and not in Christ alone, on whom faith must fix itself. But in my opinion this passage is not about checking your salvation anyway, so why apply it like that? There is no evidence that Paul ever doubted the salvation of his readers in Corinth (and as you know, they were very carnal, thinking and behaving like mere men, that is, unsaved people).
You can apply Matthew 7, too, but only if you subtract works from the equation and focus on the object of faith. In short, this passage is about identifying false teachers, not false Christians and there is no good reason to think they put their trust in Christ alone, since they point to a buch of works they did.
Since both passages in their contexts are not about tests to know if a Christian is truly saved, you misapplied and used them as proof texts. Legitimate application must always be based on correct interpretation.
I can't go into detail either, but John in 1 John and James in his book did not doubt the salvation of their readers either. The burden of proof therefore lies with you. They were more interested in the sanctification process of their readers, not their once and for all justification before God. There are good exegetical arguments for that view. You just have to look for them and read them with an open mind. I admit the view I hold to is not (and never will be) the mainstream, but that shouldn't matter. The book mentioned above should provide enough material to challenge you (there is also a big chapter on James in there).
@@minorsingingairhead I feel perhaps you did not watch my video to the end? Never do I suggest faith *plus* works. And I must disagree about it not being Christ / gospel centred - much is about the relationship aspect.
Paul most certainly does address the issue of potential false conversion: for example we have the infamous 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor]sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."
In addressing the sexual immorality among those in the Corinthian church - Paul is warning that these things must be left in the past. A Christian that continues in a sinful lifestyle / is unrepentant, is *deceived* - they are not producing the fruit in keeping with true repentance (see Acts 26:20), and they will not inherit the kingdom.
You really must address James' argument on this topic - especially:
James 1:22-27
"But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless. Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.
James 2:14-26
"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
It is difficult to support your claim that the NT writers are writing *only* to genuine believers. The theme of true and false conversion or genuine faith / repentance or false versus true teachers / teaching is prolific. Think also of the imagery of the wheat and the tares, the sheep and the goats. There will be a great sifting. This is why we are taught to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
Yes, it starts with faith. But genuine faith produces fruit as we abide in the Vine.
Peace, brother.
Read 1 Cor. 12 : 3 😊❤😎