Cameron has come closest to putting the ethos of the 40k universe on the big screen, that humans have cast-off so much of their humanity for endless war that they've practically become more violent, ruthless and threatening than the xenomorphs in Alien ever were.
Part of the reason why the scene when Quaritch holds up his skull is so profound is because it's a reference to Hamlet and the message of immortality/life after death. When Hamlet holds up the skull, he does the famous "life is but a walking shadow" monologue, and the whole message of that monologue is that life is fucking pointless and meaningless. When Quaritch holds up his human skull, he's still coming to grips with the fact that that he was resurrected on behalf of capitalism because he was an investment, and the corporation needs to maximize its return on investment. Forget the fact that the faceless capitalist machine is creating sentience solely to maximize profits. Ethics be damned. So as he's coming to grips with the fact that he's been resurrected in hell (as a demon as the Na'vi call him), by holding the skull like Hamlet does, he's expressing that he thinks life is pointless, which is in part why he crushes his skull in frustration. But as the Chapo guys talk about, throughout this movie Cameron is expressing that life *isn't* pointless, and that if you, thru love and bravery, fight on behalf of the world and those around you, then you will live forever, just not with fountain of youth bullshit. So if Quaritch in Avatar 3, 4, or 5 realizes that life isn't pointless and that he can live forever by devoting his life to fighting against the faceless, ethics be damned, machine of capitalism, then he will switch sides.
Great post but the "life is but a walking shadow" line is from MacBeth's "Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow.." soliloquy not Hamlet's "Alas, poor Yorrick" one with the skull. Hamlet reflects that even the greatest men, Caesar and Alexander, have come to this, returned to the earth and been transformed into clay. Stoppers for the bungholes in beer barrels are made of clay and perhaps those great men may now be stopping bungholes in beer barrels. That is the case for all of us.
The initial landing of the Sky People is Neon Genesis levels of horrifying and the music during that scene is extremely reminiscent of the Evangelion soundtrack
my girlfriend cried when they killed the whale and then she was literally cheering outloud when payakan and the navi were brutally murdering the whalers
There’s some extensive similarities between the Dune books and the Avatar movies (not hating on either, just interesting). - messianic protagonist - protagonist is “the wrong guy” - extrasolar planet, currently uninhabitable for humans while another species/group thrives - each planet has its respective “unobtainium,” literal in the case of Avatar. - protagonist is introduced to planetary natives under the pretenses of colonialism - blue - protagonist assimilates with natives and becomes top banana - protagonist rides the biggest and baddest monster - Imperial humanity is successfully combatted, and overcome - one of protagonist’s children possesses even greater supernatural abilities
I think I just thought of a possible similarity. Colonel Quaritch is similar to a ghola. Quaritch could become a great asset to the Navi in the same way Duncan Idaho was to Paul’s (and son’s) efforts.
This movie works because they made it *real*.. the texture resolution in this second film is fucking INSANE. There were a few frames when the older brother Neteyam was smiling and I was seeing every gradient of white-to-yellow with slight chips and stains on his cat teeth. The Na'vi skin has more density, more pores and layers than the first movie and the amount of expression they were able to get with face mocap blows the first one out of the fucking water..
One detail I noticed and appreciated with the Ahab guy and Payakan is that Payakan lost half of his one fin. Which he returns the favor by cutting off half of the whaling guy's arm.
All the Sci fi vehicle tech was so cool that I had to keep reminding myself It was being used for genocide. And that's def on purpose. I grew up in the jingoistic post 9-11 world with games and movies glorifying and sanitizing the reality of american conquest. It was so intense then that me and many of peers wanted to enlist for reasons that had no bearing in reality. If you are my age you have only seen America's wealth be utilized for just what's happening in the movie. I hope that the later movies show more what life is like for humans off world.
I don't know if Avatar 2 was some transcendent piece of art or whatever but I went on a couple edibles and it's the only movie I've ever cried at. The whaling scene just hit in a way no other "sad" movie ever has.
I always used to wonder why Avatar re-releases made such a surprising amount of money, but then I rewatched it again before watching the sequel and it became instantly clear
To all the naysayers who claim Avayar has no “cultural relevance” and no memes about it, it’s because it’s a true work of art that has to be met with respect, experienced in one’s own mind on a personal level. Like the mighty Tulkun, you can’t just drill into the movie and extract the meme juice
Or alternatively, it’s because these movies are crowd-pleasing spectacles which people enjoy watching in the moment, but then forget about a week later.
Contrarian redditors in the comment section showcasing their superiority by dismissing sincerity and earnestness because it's more comforting to embrace lame irony, pathetic!
This (distorted) David Foster Wallace take "sincerity =good, irony=bad" is a terrible angle to operate film criticism on. The people that hate avatar 2 are not hating it because of its earnestness.
@@bun197the movie is bad because it’s long, filled with annoying characters that you don’t care about, disjointed, and unoriginal. They literally resurrected the antagonist from the previous movie cause they just couldn’t be bothered to write a new one? And then didn’t even explore the psychology of someone reincarnated in the body of their enemy
@@elbowjuice2627 nah it’s that you guys haven’t said anything worth taking into consideration. in an earlier comment you just said it was goofy or something. real deep take man.
I saw a tweet were someone said james cameron was a real life equivalent of a Shonen protagonist since everyone was doubtful that he could make avatar 2 well he really believed In this movie.
I think Matt’s been sincerity pilled for a pretty long time, most of his Cushvlogs going back to 2020 are sincere and he’s criticized crappy irony poisoned culture for years now.
I have been a VFX supervisor for many years. It is both an inspired and very troubled industry. I think it is one of the great labor battle grounds of our time, where incredible images are created often at the expense of atists' health and family well being. This movie was made by the incredible vfx company Weta Digital. They developed the ability to make this movie over the last 25 years on LOTR. king Kong. Avatar 1.0 , Planet of the Apes, etc. To say James Cameron had anything to do with the quality of the FX is deeply disrespectful to the masterful LABOR that went into this. Weta could have achieved these results with any director. What Cameron provided was the clout and financial backing to buy Weta the time to not rush the process, which is rare.
I think the point is Cameron did give them the time and resources. Unlike most studios/projects which rush them and overwork them in order to maximize profits. I don’t think it is meant as disrespect. What you see onscreen in Avatar is obviously due to the work of the artists, but Cameron is the gatekeeper (financially) and actually allows them to put their best work up there. Also, denying his innovative use of technologies is really weird. Avatar is collaboration of a lot of factors.
I don't think they could have achieved these results with any director; it's exactly that commitment to using his clout to provide the time and money Weta needed for these results that is unique to Cameron. You're also disregarding his absolute commitment to realism that motivated the production to be done as practically as a CGI possibly movie can be: every major prop and costume was designed practically before being recreated digitally; the movie was delayed for a decade to wait for the development of new tech like underwater motion capture, a situation where most directors would give in to the pressure of studio deadlines. So yeah, Cameron doesn't make a movie that looks this good without Weta, but I also don't think Weta makes that looks this good without Cameron. I think your assertion that Weta has made industry standard VFX with other directors illustrates this exactly: the visual immersion of Avatar 2 is well beyond "industry standard."
Seems like most people like avatar, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Most people seem to like it save for two groups, marines and ex military dudes, which makes sense to me. Then certain segments of the online left, which doesn’t. People seem legitimately mad or think they’re being trolled by Chapo because they like it? I do not see you.
Lol for real? Are they mad for this. I think they are obviously trolling. Who cares if someone like a movie or not, I can never understand how do some ppl get so personal about it. However I didn't liked the first one, don't think the second one is going to be doing much for me.
@@dilawn_bv lmao learn to think and speak without memes. I don’t know what “Reddit brain” means. The movie is both sloppy and boring, sorry bud. Too many characters, not enough development, cheap “oh no the kids” stakes in the action scenes. Trite Vietnam war imagery for cheap sympathy, moustache twirling villains saying things like “I love killing a mother in front of her baby, and then I only use the smallest part of the body!”
Why do so many people think this praise of avatar is ironic or joking? Has passion died? Has the immortal soul of the mortal withered away into dust? Shame on all the nay sayers found here, liberate your mind or perish alongside all the rest.
Hollywood is dead. James Cameron is the closest thing we got to what Lucas, Spielberg and others once did. While I'm not an Avatar fan, I do give him that.
People are hating because it's not a "deep" movie. Its message is incredibly ham-fisted, like Don't Look Up. Unlike DLU, it's a fun movie that's not centered around being preachy, but centered around the plot. The message is more of a way to be humorous than anything.
@@glennyoungkindid9116 I think the comparison is that Avatar and Cameron are sincere, whereas Johnson and Glass Onion are not. Cameron appreciates and heightens the genre he works in and takes it to its absolute peak. Johnson hates the genre and tries to deconstruct it to the point where Glass Onion isn't even a whodunnit. He's just trying to hide the fact that he can't actually construct a genre narrative, which is why all he adds all of the memeable stuff. He did it in Star Wars and the last Knives Out too.
Their criticism is basically right, Johnson is literally Hitler but more importantly Glass Onion is reactionary wokeness. Still fun, just not important in the least.
Evidence for Quaritch switching that they missed/didn’t bring up: When he finds his old body as a skeleton in the jungle, he remove the skull and examine it longingly, then crushes it in his palm in what seems to be disgust. To me this is him truly realizing that he as he is now is superior to his former self. He is also the most willing to try things the “native” way when on his journey to find Jake, taking joy in it in a way the other jarheads don’t.
Dude voluntarily jumped head first into taming the wildlife at risk to his own life. Might be a reach, but maybe that domineering personality mixed with the willingness to embrace the change lent him some favor with the planet
I think it hit me where this conclusion is going. Now that these Marines are undead Avatars, their memories including deaths can be recorded by Ewa and not humanity, and that can be weaponized at a certain threshold. How many visceral memories of your own painful death would it take for you to give up?
So I’m not shocked at all that they liked this tbh. I’ve never had any love for the series up until I saw the first movie recently. (In fact, I saw it for the first time the night before I saw the second one) I LIKED the first one enough. Just a basic natives versus colonizer story with some alien love in there with amazing visual effects. But then I saw Way of Water in theaters and I liked that one way more than the first one. The effects are way better and I liked this story infinitely more than the first one. Kiri really stood out to me as a character more than Jake Sully and Stephen Lang’s Quaritch was a joy to watch. It definitely left a bigger impact on me than anything Marvel as made recently.
@@chucklefuck Well yeah, I didn’t know basically anything about it. It’s not that I hated it or anything, I was just indifferent until the sequel was actually coming out. I just said “what the heck, I’ll give it a chance” and I ended up really liking it.
I don't think Quaritch will switch sides but I definitely think he'll refuse a human body again if offered. I think what's most likely gonna happen is terraforming Pandora fails, so instead they're gonna make human/Na'vi hybrids which are essentially just blue humans with the head-tail who can breathe pandora air, but the upper elites will get full Na'vi bodies.
I feel in the end, he’s just gonna pull a Kit Carson. Faithfully execute the genocide/relocation his masters want him to do, but in the end also sorta, kinda feel shit about it, though not enough to do anything about it. Also, he will almost definitely marry a Navi women and/or adopt a Navi son to replace the hippie tarzan son who rejected him, only he’s going to rub salt in the wound by de-nativising said Navi son, evangelizing him in the ways of the leatherneck. He’ll come up on him him like “stop talking to those fucking plants, son and take some of this dip. We’re gonna shotgun some Pabst and watch 6 straight hours of NFL highlights.”
I do like listening to this but I feel like these guys fleshed out Cameron’s ideas better than Cameron himself. For example, they make Quaritch coming back sound deeper than it is or likely ever will be. In the movie, it felt like a way to just bring him back because why not? However, him not dying at the end made perfect sense.
@elbowjuice I thought the same thing when I first heard Chapo's review of Avatar 1: ie, these boys are waaay smarter than Cameron is. But upon re-listening to that review, the boys themselves point out many details that prove Cameron really IS that smart: the visual similarity of the Home Tree's collapse to the Twin Towers... Ribisi playing office-golf & Quaritch sipping coffee while matter-of-factly overseeing ecosystem destruction... but most compelling: _Sigourney's avatar wearing a Stanford t-shirt._ This is a detail i wouldn't have understood if Chapo didn't explain it to me: soft colonialism. The soft entry that used to be done by missionaries is now done by academics and NGOs. It's recon work. Once you know this, you realise there's no way Sigourney's shirt is an accident. Also, the Avatar 1 movie we all saw was the theatrical cut. I learned of the extended cut from the comments section of the prior Chapo review. It contains scenes that absolutely flesh out Cameron's worldview. For starters, that version begins on Earth, and shows us the soul-crushing BladeRunner-esque distopia it has become. There's also a scene where Sigourney tells Sully about a school she once ran for Navi children. I don't want to ruin it for you, but it would be hard to watch that scene and not see it as a direct message to the audience. I imagine Cameron cut these scenes because he felt they were either too on-the-nose, or he didn't want the movie to become overtly political.
@@jayanti2371 i rewatched the first movie after listening to their review and was also surprised at what i discovered. But i feel like everything worked given what the concept of the movie was. But with this one…look, all i’m saying is, when one of Quaritch’s henchmen is a chick who has no dialogue or characteristics other than chewing gum and evil grinning…come on now. Some of the stuff doesn’t work imo and i think it actually bogs it down a bit. The bloat, the retreading of plot points (idc if its a trope, its just boring), the sloppy first hour…that being said, it was cool.
@@elbowjuice2627 my comment was specifically addressing your feeling that some stuff is in the film "because why not?" i guess I'm just saying that Chapo made me realise how deliberate Cameron is. i no longer think that anything in his films (whether we like his films or not) is random/thoughtless. that said, i very much agree with you that the film could have been streamlined and the characters improved. how these big budget movies get made without better script consultants is a mystery to me. anyway, cheers mate. i hope at some point you get a chance to see the director's cut.
I was skeptical of Chapo’s Avatar love until some guys wanted to go see the new one, so I saw the original online and the Way Of Water the next day. I was absolutely blown away, they were not joking about how great these movies are. The creature design in particular I think doesn’t get enough love because it’s fantastic across the board, but especially in the second one. Absolutely looking forward to 3.
I actually drool over the human machinery design. I know the head designer who did the helicopters and the giant shuttle! (his name is Ryan Church if you want to look up his portfolio) It all looks SO real and so.. lifeless. It's not over-the-top menacing, it's just really mean in how brutalist it all is, I guess? I think it's one of the best parts of the movies, second to the creature design.
@@Mushubeans yeah when the ships show up in the beginning they’re so foreboding, cold and utilitarian, such a wonderful stark contrast to Pandora’s majesty. The crab submarines were also so cool.
@@Mushubeans One thing Cameron does really well is keep his tech designs firmly grounded in reality. Like in the original you could totally buy that the gunships were future developments of modern attack helicopters. AND those power suits from the new one will be the forklift of the future
I think the tulkans can use their second smaller set of eyes to better see things through the wavy surface (either from below up or reverse). They have a secondary sample that is slightly offset from primary and can use their big brains to apply a sort of correction to the image to minimize the noise caused by the chaotic surface lensing.
Love that Sully's kids seem to speak English in a mostly contemporary style, but there are consonants where you can hear a subtle navi inflection. Really noticed it with how Sigourney speaks her T's from the front of her teeth. Adds a good bit of immersion
@@Flamewarden_Honoushugoshin Which same-said 15 year olds in "all-Na'vi" scenes seemed to me to be ( as would a human teen) not much shorter than the "full-grown" specimen (perhaps a head-height or so?) whereas the "mixed" Spider-inclusive ones ...eh! My friend I saw it with said "Definately MAYBE" but a careful "rescrutinization" may indeed be in order as I didn't think of it till "after the fact" anyway, so "swept-up" was I at the time in it ! What I DID think "during", however, was, there's NO WAY that the forest Na'vis should be able to ANYWHERE NEAR "keep up" (hold their breath as long, swim as fast etc.) with the sea-side kind regardless of how many "positive affirmations" they recited, their practice and "willingness" and what-not, because that would make a MOCKERY of all that "specialzed adaptation" and "physical evolution" that they (the naval Na'vi) obviously underwent to gain the "finny" fore-arms, stouter tails, webbed digits & etc. If it's all just a matter of "mind over matter" than why even "bother" (evolving at all I mean !). "Tree-Na'vi transplants" immersed in the constant sogginess of the "lagoon lifestyle" would more than likely be MUCH MORE wrinkled, chapped and sun-burnt than were our favorite "super-adaptive" fleeing family, wouldn't they? I contend that this "coulda/shoulda" been written in/for as "every bit (of verisimilitude) helps"! The overall "world" WAS thought out so cohesively and realized so convincingly that the "errors" seem "glaring" by comparison perhaps but I'm ABSOLUTELY "on-board" for "Part 3" (and maybe even a "rerevue" of "Parts 1 & 2" for that matter) !
I think my favorite sequence in the movie was when the humane came back and it was shown in no uncertain terms that they were bringing Hell with them. As the humans landed, they burned and destroyed the forests and wildlife in that area. We are meant to view this as the literal desecration of the Divine.
I always saw them more as the Matrix exosuits (from the Battle of Zion) but armored up more. Or better yet, a militarized version of Ripley's loader from Aliens, since that's another Cameron flick.
Even after all the episodes where they talk about Avatar, I still CANNOT tell if their liking it so much is a bit or not and if you ask me that was the real lesson of avatar all along.
Wow, this episode is getting some pretty strong reactions in the comments. I'm fine either way. I think I'm one of seven people left that never watched the original Avatar. Nothing against it, just too much hype for anything kills my boner. Well, I guess it's gonna be another decade before I can give it a try.
haha funny thought. probably because they're trying to colonize pandora and not burn it all up. I assume navi are everywhere, and live on all the good parts, so doing that might be too detrimental to the environment. i'm sure the humans will burn it all up later though, like they did with earth.
IT'S ABOUT TIME! I just got out of seeing Avatar The Way of Water for the 123243 time and listened to this before going in. Truly an epic that makes you go how the fuck did Big Jim do that? several times over. I see you Big Jim at the Oscars
They cannot do another review of an Avatar movie without Matt. His autistic inability to switch to anything but a serious tone is what makes this comedy gold. I dont remember a thing about this movie, all I remember was the audience cheering when they torched some navi village and when they destroyed a forest or something.
If you believe you're not the same person you were yesterday because going to sleep (which terminates a continuity of consciousness) is the same as death, then it's a second new person.
@@MrDevival Felix has legitimately been praising the first Avatar as an underrated classic. He has a whole theory about it being an anti colonialist masterpiece that's deeper than critics give it credit for. I'm sure there's some ironic jokes in this episode but their thesis on Avatar 2 isn't a bit. They're genuinely promoting the movie.
They really "missed a trick" by overlooking the opportunity of giving Sully his own personal theme song (for us all to identify with) which of course would be a slightly modified version of the old "Village People's" homage to cultural appropriation, 🎵 "IN THE NA-VI" ! 🎶 ( you can make it if you're BLUE...can't believe it but it's TRUE...this can happen to YOU ! ... etc.)
I never watched OG Avatar because I am afraid of the "post-Avatar depression". I really don't need another depression to pile up on the three or four I already have.
the first one made me depressed because i wanted more of the world and the second left me filled with joy and excitement and the will to live to see the rest of the movies
I genuinely think the post film depression for most people stemmed from a deep unconscious awakening to the fact that they are miserable and sleep walk through life to cope under capitalism and profit motive; but they don't have the ability to put it into words since they were never taught otherwise. The Navi tap into our innate human sensibilities of communion and the relationship with nature we once had, they have real freedom and love compared to our commodified pre packaged existence built for us before birth. Essentially they realize they want what capitalism can not only can never give them, but is blatantly trying to destroy. Just my interpretation of the phenomenon. Many people like to undervalue the effects art can have on people, but good art can bypass preconceived notions and pretensions one has to tap directly into the subconscious
@@n3n3b3n3 I am super skeptical of bringing back the bad guy and Weaver's character...and retconning the boy. It just wreaks of making it up as they go, which ruined Star Wars for me. I will probably like it while wishing it was better.
I think we might actually see "regular" navii. A marine's training in an avatar body is a potent combination. Will there be a navii with knowledge of human science and technology, or are they viewed in fundamental opposition? There are a few key things happening that parallel what amounts to an alternate history of Westward expansion. In particular unification of the indigenous American population. I have believed for a while that the preserve or "reservation" system, given to many separate tribes across the U.S. was a method of erasure. Instead of a single comingling of many tribal identities they are sparsely scattered and dying. In 100 years I think there may be nothing left but pictures. In trying to remain what they were in the old times they can't evolve or adapt. They are crumbling Polaroids. Yet that is the intent of the system, of "cultural preservation" to keep them as they were until they die. The world tree mega mind seems to have a capacity to infuse all the navii with detailed knowledge and understanding. So I think that is how they will revise the history to give a collective Native American culture Western knowledge/tech, but from an outside perspective so they aren't poisoned by that thinking. In the end if the navii survive in a way that isn't slow extermination then they will change and adapt. The way of water. The way of change. Lastly, Will has it close to right for me. However it's not enough to be willing to die, you have to expect to die and to be completely owned. I remember a teacher talking about being willing to kill but also willing to die if joining the military. It's like killing? Sure whatever check. Dying? Heroically like a cool martyr? Mmm asterisk. However I'm sure Vietcong that saw their homes burn for days, and Taliban that saw hills and mountains that had stood for a million years imploded, knew they would die. Not maybe, but 100%, and with no book or movie to remember their name. It's s completely different I think, to go into something knowing you will die. The one other thing I'd like to see from a movie about war, is that all war, real war that can only be waged by civilisation with specialization, are won by rice. Any movie about war shows the fighting of soldiers. Yet every soldier must be fed, their machine must be fueled and weapons repaired. The more advanced the army the more complex the logistical needs and the more intensive the base most unit to make war. The war should be lost offscreen because they literally just don't have the fuel to send anymore armadas to Pandora*. I enjoyed the first movie but assumed they were bullshitting because everyone else seemed to think it was goofy. Glad Felix converted them.
Just putting it out there- maybe he was speaking poetically, but it’s something a lot of people literally misunderstand: no, we are not just our memories. We are a conscious subjectivity- an observer. Our memories, thoughts, feelings, sense experiences, etc., isn’t our actual SELF any more than our address or our phone number or our favorite color is. It’s information about us, it’s part of our mind, but our mind & ego & beliefs & persona (the narratives & facts we believe about our identity as an individual)- all of these are objects of conscious awareness… Things we observe, which therefore are not the observer itself… That conscious awareness which actually can look at all of those things is our true self. But it would still really suck to have a military corporation own the contents of our minds, memories or otherwise. I only think it’s worth mentioning because identifying with the ego, with the contents of the mind, rather than recognizing that you are actually the observer who observes all of that (happening to you as much as being a part of you) is literally ego involvement/Maya (the illusion of separateness & alienated individuality that a lot of traditions would argue [I think quite soundly] is really the source of suffering, the thing that keeps us reactive, short-sighted, ensnared in the pain & difficulties associated with the material world). Given that he’s talking about spiritual liberation & release in this context, it’s kind of an important distinction to clarify, because if you think you have transcended, but the thing you think is the true self, is liberation, is actually still just part of ego, is actually still just part of the illusion, then… Well, that famous quote about how none are more enslaved than those who falsely believe they’re free pretty much describes it. In the extreme it can lead to full-on solipsism. People convincing themselves that they’ve transcended, that they’re seeing the deepest nature of reality, & that all it is is their own personal ego & memories & preferences… That everyone else are just philosophical zombies- automata, NPCs populating their own personal imagination… That isn’t transcendence- it’s the most profound form of self-delusion.
The only thing I disagree with Matt on here is that Clement is indeed returning in the sequal, and with a mechanical arm no less, but not as Ahab, he's coming back as Paul Watson and will be leading the Sea Shepherd/Greenpeace human faction.
@@supermossboy1226 So the marine biologist who didn't lose his arm is coming back with a robot arm in the next movie, got it. regardless, you're way off about that do nothing soyboy marine biologist, you saw the extent that his type struggles in the face of genocide, just make some snide comments and talk about his alcoholism. How do you extrapolate that to greenpeace hero of the whales? Do you relate to the biologist? is it wishful thinking?
The movie innovated nothing for storytelling, but it will be the closest 99% of people will get to seeing a healthy coral reef in their lifetimes. When I saw it there was actual cheers in the theater at the whalers being killed, and the film's on the nose pro-indigenous stance was... not well handled and maybe could have used 10x more Indigenous people involvement. But at the end of the day arguing about cultural entertainment products is zero substitute for actual organizing for actual changes to actual laws and rules but arguing online does separate people and create profitable buzz, so I can't really abide the calls to boycott for being culturally insensitive. I resent defending the movie but it at least adds something anti-imperialist to the polluted mud-dumpster of public discourse?
"it innovated nothing for storytelling" dude like over 95% of all movies follow the same basic storytelling, its called the hero's journey, look it up, maybe it'll clear things up for you
The only thing I didn't like about the new avatar are some of the plot threads going nowhere, like how the hunters were hunting the tu'kun for amrita or his Jakes adopted daughter being connected in some way to the planet. I know they're setups for the next movies, but man, just let a movie be it's own thing.
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I've listened to thousands of hours of the trap and this avatar review is the happiest, most positive, most un-sarcastic they have ever been.
Unironically since Bernie
their Avatar 1 review is similarly exuberant. that ep is when I fell in love with the boys.
They've drunk the salt-water Kool-Aid !
I.C.U. 2 !
@@theoleadfoot2864 except movies have a higher chance of saving us than bourgeois electoralism
Cameron: Every Frame a Painting
Russos: Every Line a Tweeting
The Age of Napoleon continues
Cameron has come closest to putting the ethos of the 40k universe on the big screen, that humans have cast-off so much of their humanity for endless war that they've practically become more violent, ruthless and threatening than the xenomorphs in Alien ever were.
it is actually adorable how much they love this movie
I AM NOW AVATARDED AND NAVIPILLED
I'm in my water arc, I'm eywamaxxing
I am a proud Avatard
Hell yeah
It refers to the slowing down of one's revolutionary inhibitions, it's not an ableist slur
Speaking as someone who hates this movie and the people who like it, “Avatarded” is a great term and you should all use it to describe yourselves.
Part of the reason why the scene when Quaritch holds up his skull is so profound is because it's a reference to Hamlet and the message of immortality/life after death. When Hamlet holds up the skull, he does the famous "life is but a walking shadow" monologue, and the whole message of that monologue is that life is fucking pointless and meaningless. When Quaritch holds up his human skull, he's still coming to grips with the fact that that he was resurrected on behalf of capitalism because he was an investment, and the corporation needs to maximize its return on investment. Forget the fact that the faceless capitalist machine is creating sentience solely to maximize profits. Ethics be damned. So as he's coming to grips with the fact that he's been resurrected in hell (as a demon as the Na'vi call him), by holding the skull like Hamlet does, he's expressing that he thinks life is pointless, which is in part why he crushes his skull in frustration.
But as the Chapo guys talk about, throughout this movie Cameron is expressing that life *isn't* pointless, and that if you, thru love and bravery, fight on behalf of the world and those around you, then you will live forever, just not with fountain of youth bullshit.
So if Quaritch in Avatar 3, 4, or 5 realizes that life isn't pointless and that he can live forever by devoting his life to fighting against the faceless, ethics be damned, machine of capitalism, then he will switch sides.
Great post but the "life is but a walking shadow" line is from MacBeth's "Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow.." soliloquy not Hamlet's "Alas, poor Yorrick" one with the skull. Hamlet reflects that even the greatest men, Caesar and Alexander, have come to this, returned to the earth and been transformed into clay. Stoppers for the bungholes in beer barrels are made of clay and perhaps those great men may now be stopping bungholes in beer barrels. That is the case for all of us.
The initial landing of the Sky People is Neon Genesis levels of horrifying and the music during that scene is extremely reminiscent of the Evangelion soundtrack
That’s probably where Cameron got it from. A lot of western directors have taken inspiration from anime’s that they’ve watched, I’m sure.
Yup! Even their fucking landing sequence is devastating to the environment...
End of Evangelion >>>>> Avatard 2
@@kobayashi1194 lmao yeah kid, let’s pretend fucking everything popular in Japan (especially anime) hasn’t completely stolen it from Western media
my girlfriend cried when they killed the whale and then she was literally cheering outloud when payakan and the navi were brutally murdering the whalers
is she on the spectrum?
@@wywy74 I guess you have to be on the spectrum to have a moral compass
@@anmolt3840051 what an underrated response lmao well done
@@wywy74 Ryan, find a hobby outside of hating avatar on the Chapo RUclips, please.
I'm glad the Chapo boys loved the "humans re-arriving on Pandora" scene as much as I did.
There’s some extensive similarities between the Dune books and the Avatar movies (not hating on either, just interesting).
- messianic protagonist
- protagonist is “the wrong guy”
- extrasolar planet, currently uninhabitable for humans while another species/group thrives
- each planet has its respective “unobtainium,” literal in the case of Avatar.
- protagonist is introduced to planetary natives under the pretenses of colonialism
- blue
- protagonist assimilates with natives and becomes top banana
- protagonist rides the biggest and baddest monster
- Imperial humanity is successfully combatted, and overcome
- one of protagonist’s children possesses even greater supernatural abilities
“Blue”
I think I just thought of a possible similarity. Colonel Quaritch is similar to a ghola. Quaritch could become a great asset to the Navi in the same way Duncan Idaho was to Paul’s (and son’s) efforts.
@@ogluster8873 oh shit, you’re dead on
The orcas (i.e. killer whales) have listened to this episode, and I wish them godspeed!!!
Uncritical support for the Marine Life Coalition's jihad against the apes!
Felix is so unbelievably real for referencing Armored Core AND Zone of the Enders in the same sentence.
Waiting to see it in 480p, as Allah intended.
Dude idc it was so good in 3d I hope one day you can see it as Cameron intended
Praise God 🙏🙌
120p I'd all you need
The whale section of this episode is going into my gym playlist
Also I'm making this comment on company time, look at me go
This movie works because they made it *real*.. the texture resolution in this second film is fucking INSANE. There were a few frames when the older brother Neteyam was smiling and I was seeing every gradient of white-to-yellow with slight chips and stains on his cat teeth.
The Na'vi skin has more density, more pores and layers than the first movie and the amount of expression they were able to get with face mocap blows the first one out of the fucking water..
Yeah it looked incredible. Flawless.
I can't enjoy the movie at my dead end job but I can be radicalized endlessly by its review.
I was looking forward to this review for so long
One detail I noticed and appreciated with the Ahab guy and Payakan is that Payakan lost half of his one fin. Which he returns the favor by cutting off half of the whaling guy's arm.
... before killing him
A+
All the Sci fi vehicle tech was so cool that I had to keep reminding myself It was being used for genocide. And that's def on purpose. I grew up in the jingoistic post 9-11 world with games and movies glorifying and sanitizing the reality of american conquest. It was so intense then that me and many of peers wanted to enlist for reasons that had no bearing in reality. If you are my age you have only seen America's wealth be utilized for just what's happening in the movie. I hope that the later movies show more what life is like for humans off world.
That crab mech was a cool AF design, though.
Sun Tzu says about the The Way of Water - "If you want to live here,you must ride"
I don't know if Avatar 2 was some transcendent piece of art or whatever but I went on a couple edibles and it's the only movie I've ever cried at. The whaling scene just hit in a way no other "sad" movie ever has.
The punishment in that scene never ended
I always used to wonder why Avatar re-releases made such a surprising amount of money, but then I rewatched it again before watching the sequel and it became instantly clear
To all the naysayers who claim Avayar has no “cultural relevance” and no memes about it, it’s because it’s a true work of art that has to be met with respect, experienced in one’s own mind on a personal level. Like the mighty Tulkun, you can’t just drill into the movie and extract the meme juice
"but what about muh dank memes" they shout in raspy reddit voices
I’m not watching a revised titanic or it’s sequel, thank you very much.
Or alternatively, it’s because these movies are crowd-pleasing spectacles which people enjoy watching in the moment, but then forget about a week later.
Oh fuck yes I been waiting for this. The first avatar episode was a light in a dark time for me.
Contrarian redditors in the comment section showcasing their superiority by dismissing sincerity and earnestness because it's more comforting to embrace lame irony, pathetic!
the movie is bad because nobody on my discord shared memes or porn of it. zero cultural impact!
…and clowns in the comments failing to come to terms with others just not liking it.
This (distorted) David Foster Wallace take "sincerity =good, irony=bad" is a terrible angle to operate film criticism on. The people that hate avatar 2 are not hating it because of its earnestness.
@@bun197the movie is bad because it’s long, filled with annoying characters that you don’t care about, disjointed, and unoriginal. They literally resurrected the antagonist from the previous movie cause they just couldn’t be bothered to write a new one? And then didn’t even explore the psychology of someone reincarnated in the body of their enemy
@@elbowjuice2627 nah it’s that you guys haven’t said anything worth taking into consideration. in an earlier comment you just said it was goofy or something. real deep take man.
I saw a tweet were someone said james cameron was a real life equivalent of a Shonen protagonist since everyone was doubtful that he could make avatar 2 well he really believed In this movie.
Matt has taken the SincerityPill
as should we all
And he's a better man for it and you know it ...
Bum.
I think Matt’s been sincerity pilled for a pretty long time, most of his Cushvlogs going back to 2020 are sincere and he’s criticized crappy irony poisoned culture for years now.
I have been a VFX supervisor for many years. It is both an inspired and very troubled industry. I think it is one of the great labor battle grounds of our time, where incredible images are created often at the expense of atists' health and family well being. This movie was made by the incredible vfx company Weta Digital. They developed the ability to make this movie over the last 25 years on LOTR. king Kong. Avatar 1.0 , Planet of the Apes, etc. To say James Cameron had anything to do with the quality of the FX is deeply disrespectful to the masterful LABOR that went into this. Weta could have achieved these results with any director. What Cameron provided was the clout and financial backing to buy Weta the time to not rush the process, which is rare.
That’s as idiotic as saying Cameron could have made this movie with ANY vfx studio.
They have made industry best VFX with many other directors already.
I think the point is Cameron did give them the time and resources. Unlike most studios/projects which rush them and overwork them in order to maximize profits. I don’t think it is meant as disrespect. What you see onscreen in Avatar is obviously due to the work of the artists, but Cameron is the gatekeeper (financially) and actually allows them to put their best work up there. Also, denying his innovative use of technologies is really weird. Avatar is collaboration of a lot of factors.
I don't think they could have achieved these results with any director; it's exactly that commitment to using his clout to provide the time and money Weta needed for these results that is unique to Cameron. You're also disregarding his absolute commitment to realism that motivated the production to be done as practically as a CGI possibly movie can be: every major prop and costume was designed practically before being recreated digitally; the movie was delayed for a decade to wait for the development of new tech like underwater motion capture, a situation where most directors would give in to the pressure of studio deadlines. So yeah, Cameron doesn't make a movie that looks this good without Weta, but I also don't think Weta makes that looks this good without Cameron. I think your assertion that Weta has made industry standard VFX with other directors illustrates this exactly: the visual immersion of Avatar 2 is well beyond "industry standard."
Seems like most people like avatar, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Most people seem to like it save for two groups, marines and ex military dudes, which makes sense to me. Then certain segments of the online left, which doesn’t. People seem legitimately mad or think they’re being trolled by Chapo because they like it? I do not see you.
Lol for real? Are they mad for this. I think they are obviously trolling. Who cares if someone like a movie or not, I can never understand how do some ppl get so personal about it. However I didn't liked the first one, don't think the second one is going to be doing much for me.
i’ve met many a military/marine dude who likes avatar for the scenes where the marines blow up home tree very disheartening
It's the same guys who really enjoy the first 3/4 of American History X.
Little did they know. The big blue dommy mommy memes would continue till morale improved.
Avatar: honey they abducted the kids
Damn i wanted more tulsa king
It’s commin, brother
RIP Gangsta Boo
Could've used 20 more minutes of Payakan/Luak spirit bro shit instead if rhe endless drowning.
lmao at reddit absolutely melting down over avatar in the comments of this
It's really sad to see, you'd think CTH fans would be better than this reddit tier navel gazing. I bet they've never even posted hog or read Carl Max.
You have to be redditor to dislike a sloppy, boring movie?
-sloppy
explain. how? it’s wonderfully directed and the script is extremely tight
-boring
ADHD
@@BlueSkullFish if you think avatar is "sloppy and boring" because it doesnt appeal to your *intellectual tastes* then yeah, you have reddit brain
@@dilawn_bv lmao learn to think and speak without memes. I don’t know what “Reddit brain” means. The movie is both sloppy and boring, sorry bud. Too many characters, not enough development, cheap “oh no the kids” stakes in the action scenes. Trite Vietnam war imagery for cheap sympathy, moustache twirling villains saying things like “I love killing a mother in front of her baby, and then I only use the smallest part of the body!”
Why do so many people think this praise of avatar is ironic or joking? Has passion died? Has the immortal soul of the mortal withered away into dust? Shame on all the nay sayers found here, liberate your mind or perish alongside all the rest.
Because the movie is not good. The first one is fine, the second one is boring, predictable, and uninspired
@@BlueSkullFish sad
Oh my god lol
Hollywood is dead. James Cameron is the closest thing we got to what Lucas, Spielberg and others once did. While I'm not an Avatar fan, I do give him that.
@@technologic21 nolan, tarantino, scorsese, GEORGE MILLER
Didn't know I am not supposed to like Glass Onion. Slamming billionaires is fun.
Rian Johnson is a good director 🤷♂️
Saw it in theaters with my folks in November. Nothing wrong with a goofy mystery flick you can take family to see.
People are hating because it's not a "deep" movie. Its message is incredibly ham-fisted, like Don't Look Up.
Unlike DLU, it's a fun movie that's not centered around being preachy, but centered around the plot. The message is more of a way to be humorous than anything.
@@glennyoungkindid9116 I think the comparison is that Avatar and Cameron are sincere, whereas Johnson and Glass Onion are not. Cameron appreciates and heightens the genre he works in and takes it to its absolute peak. Johnson hates the genre and tries to deconstruct it to the point where Glass Onion isn't even a whodunnit. He's just trying to hide the fact that he can't actually construct a genre narrative, which is why all he adds all of the memeable stuff. He did it in Star Wars and the last Knives Out too.
Their criticism is basically right, Johnson is literally Hitler but more importantly Glass Onion is reactionary wokeness. Still fun, just not important in the least.
Will Menakur doing the Rod Dreher soyface but over a bowl of Avatar Blu-Rays
Evidence for Quaritch switching that they missed/didn’t bring up: When he finds his old body as a skeleton in the jungle, he remove the skull and examine it longingly, then crushes it in his palm in what seems to be disgust. To me this is him truly realizing that he as he is now is superior to his former self. He is also the most willing to try things the “native” way when on his journey to find Jake, taking joy in it in a way the other jarheads don’t.
Dude voluntarily jumped head first into taming the wildlife at risk to his own life.
Might be a reach, but maybe that domineering personality mixed with the willingness to embrace the change lent him some favor with the planet
This movie is beautiful and is a harbinger of international revolution. 3rd viewing tonight Imax 3d regal unlimited bitches
I think it hit me where this conclusion is going. Now that these Marines are undead Avatars, their memories including deaths can be recorded by Ewa and not humanity, and that can be weaponized at a certain threshold. How many visceral memories of your own painful death would it take for you to give up?
All I want to be is El Chapo
personally, i thought there was an underwhelming amount of water. i expected WAY more water, so i'm taking off one bag from my score.
Explosive tipped harpoons used to be a real thing.
So I’m not shocked at all that they liked this tbh. I’ve never had any love for the series up until I saw the first movie recently. (In fact, I saw it for the first time the night before I saw the second one) I LIKED the first one enough. Just a basic natives versus colonizer story with some alien love in there with amazing visual effects. But then I saw Way of Water in theaters and I liked that one way more than the first one. The effects are way better and I liked this story infinitely more than the first one. Kiri really stood out to me as a character more than Jake Sully and Stephen Lang’s Quaritch was a joy to watch. It definitely left a bigger impact on me than anything Marvel as made recently.
"I've never had any love for the series up until I saw the first movie recently"
So you didn't like it until you actually watched it?
@@chucklefuck Well yeah, I didn’t know basically anything about it. It’s not that I hated it or anything, I was just indifferent until the sequel was actually coming out. I just said “what the heck, I’ll give it a chance” and I ended up really liking it.
I don't think Quaritch will switch sides but I definitely think he'll refuse a human body again if offered. I think what's most likely gonna happen is terraforming Pandora fails, so instead they're gonna make human/Na'vi hybrids which are essentially just blue humans with the head-tail who can breathe pandora air, but the upper elites will get full Na'vi bodies.
I feel in the end, he’s just gonna pull a Kit Carson. Faithfully execute the genocide/relocation his masters want him to do, but in the end also sorta, kinda feel shit about it, though not enough to do anything about it. Also, he will almost definitely marry a Navi women and/or adopt a Navi son to replace the hippie tarzan son who rejected him, only he’s going to rub salt in the wound by de-nativising said Navi son, evangelizing him in the ways of the leatherneck. He’ll come up on him him like “stop talking to those fucking plants, son and take some of this dip. We’re gonna shotgun some Pabst and watch 6 straight hours of NFL highlights.”
I do like listening to this but I feel like these guys fleshed out Cameron’s ideas better than Cameron himself. For example, they make Quaritch coming back sound deeper than it is or likely ever will be. In the movie, it felt like a way to just bring him back because why not? However, him not dying at the end made perfect sense.
@elbowjuice I thought the same thing when I first heard Chapo's review of Avatar 1: ie, these boys are waaay smarter than Cameron is.
But upon re-listening to that review, the boys themselves point out many details that prove Cameron really IS that smart: the visual similarity of the Home Tree's collapse to the Twin Towers... Ribisi playing office-golf & Quaritch sipping coffee while matter-of-factly overseeing ecosystem destruction... but most compelling: _Sigourney's avatar wearing a Stanford t-shirt._
This is a detail i wouldn't have understood if Chapo didn't explain it to me: soft colonialism. The soft entry that used to be done by missionaries is now done by academics and NGOs. It's recon work. Once you know this, you realise there's no way Sigourney's shirt is an accident.
Also, the Avatar 1 movie we all saw was the theatrical cut. I learned of the extended cut from the comments section of the prior Chapo review. It contains scenes that absolutely flesh out Cameron's worldview. For starters, that version begins on Earth, and shows us the soul-crushing BladeRunner-esque distopia it has become.
There's also a scene where Sigourney tells Sully about a school she once ran for Navi children. I don't want to ruin it for you, but it would be hard to watch that scene and not see it as a direct message to the audience.
I imagine Cameron cut these scenes because he felt they were either too on-the-nose, or he didn't want the movie to become overtly political.
@@jayanti2371 i rewatched the first movie after listening to their review and was also surprised at what i discovered. But i feel like everything worked given what the concept of the movie was. But with this one…look, all i’m saying is, when one of Quaritch’s henchmen is a chick who has no dialogue or characteristics other than chewing gum and evil grinning…come on now. Some of the stuff doesn’t work imo and i think it actually bogs it down a bit. The bloat, the retreading of plot points (idc if its a trope, its just boring), the sloppy first hour…that being said, it was cool.
@@elbowjuice2627 my comment was specifically addressing your feeling that some stuff is in the film "because why not?" i guess I'm just saying that Chapo made me realise how deliberate Cameron is. i no longer think that anything in his films (whether we like his films or not) is random/thoughtless.
that said, i very much agree with you that the film could have been streamlined and the characters improved. how these big budget movies get made without better script consultants is a mystery to me.
anyway, cheers mate. i hope at some point you get a chance to see the director's cut.
@@jayanti2371 yeah i’ll check it out i always wanted to see that version
The "life after death" discussion probably was it. I would not have thought of it
have not listened to the episode yet but this comment section seems so fucking cynical
I know. Everyone’s a critic 🙄
I was skeptical of Chapo’s Avatar love until some guys wanted to go see the new one, so I saw the original online and the Way Of Water the next day. I was absolutely blown away, they were not joking about how great these movies are. The creature design in particular I think doesn’t get enough love because it’s fantastic across the board, but especially in the second one. Absolutely looking forward to 3.
I actually drool over the human machinery design. I know the head designer who did the helicopters and the giant shuttle! (his name is Ryan Church if you want to look up his portfolio)
It all looks SO real and so.. lifeless. It's not over-the-top menacing, it's just really mean in how brutalist it all is, I guess? I think it's one of the best parts of the movies, second to the creature design.
@@Mushubeans yeah when the ships show up in the beginning they’re so foreboding, cold and utilitarian, such a wonderful stark contrast to Pandora’s majesty. The crab submarines were also so cool.
They're good movies
@@Mushubeans One thing Cameron does really well is keep his tech designs firmly grounded in reality. Like in the original you could totally buy that the gunships were future developments of modern attack helicopters. AND those power suits from the new one will be the forklift of the future
So where is Sylvester Stallone or am I in the wrong place?
I love listening to these geeks
I can’t go see Avatar 2 because it will make me depressed I don’t live in an anarchist commune paradise or have have a 10 ft tall blue qt alien gf 😢
Touch grass
@@PowerRUclipsrViewer A sad substitute for "attach your tail !"
I think the tulkans can use their second smaller set of eyes to better see things through the wavy surface (either from below up or reverse). They have a secondary sample that is slightly offset from primary and can use their big brains to apply a sort of correction to the image to minimize the noise caused by the chaotic surface lensing.
JC is a camera designer/inventor with special focus in marine photography and binocular 3D so this is something he has thought of I believe.
That's the same with the dragon creatures. They have a second set of eyes that act as an early warning system and help them see at night
absolutely loving this james cameron glaze sesh
Lmao I love that Matt manifested white guilt from this movie and he can't explain why
showed up late to my first vewing, missed like the first 20 minutes but Cameron knows how to tell a story I didn't have trouble catching up.
The way of water has no beginning and no end
out for 8 hours and Content ID already cut the music from the movie from this
Sigourney Weaver is the best actress of all time for pulling off that performance as Kiri
Fully agreed. Best character in the movie.
Love that Sully's kids seem to speak English in a mostly contemporary style, but there are consonants where you can hear a subtle navi inflection. Really noticed it with how Sigourney speaks her T's from the front of her teeth. Adds a good bit of immersion
She was the absolute worst part of the film. Kiri should have had a child VA like the rest
Yeah she was really convincingly fucking annoying. I thought they actually cast a teen actor cause she was so irritating!
pandora pilled
The whole movie is an allegory for adrenochrome harvesting
literally what i thought of when they hunted down the whale for its brain fluid
@@n3n3b3n3 the way of frazzledrip
I finally know what to think about this movie
🐳🐋
Am I trippin' or were the Navi not so subtlely "height-adjusted" in their scenes with Spider?
He's mostly shown with 8-15 yr old Na'vi, children are shorter than adults.
@@Flamewarden_Honoushugoshin Which same-said 15 year olds in "all-Na'vi" scenes seemed to me to be ( as would a human teen) not much shorter than the "full-grown" specimen (perhaps a head-height or so?) whereas the "mixed" Spider-inclusive ones ...eh! My friend I saw it with said "Definately MAYBE" but a careful "rescrutinization" may indeed be in order as I didn't think of it till "after the fact" anyway, so "swept-up" was I at the time in it ! What I DID think "during", however, was, there's NO WAY that the forest Na'vis should be able to ANYWHERE NEAR "keep up" (hold their breath as long, swim as fast etc.) with the sea-side kind regardless of how many "positive affirmations" they recited, their practice and "willingness" and what-not, because that would make a MOCKERY of all that "specialzed adaptation" and "physical evolution" that they (the naval Na'vi) obviously underwent to gain the "finny" fore-arms, stouter tails, webbed digits & etc. If it's all just a matter of "mind over matter" than why even "bother" (evolving at all I mean !). "Tree-Na'vi transplants" immersed in the constant sogginess of the "lagoon lifestyle" would more than likely be MUCH MORE wrinkled, chapped and sun-burnt than were our favorite "super-adaptive" fleeing family, wouldn't they? I contend that this "coulda/shoulda" been written in/for as "every bit (of verisimilitude) helps"! The overall "world" WAS thought out so cohesively and realized so convincingly that the "errors" seem "glaring" by comparison perhaps but I'm ABSOLUTELY "on-board" for "Part 3" (and maybe even a "rerevue" of "Parts 1 & 2" for that matter) !
Coffee was the fuel of colonialism
Coffee and Tobacco
@@gz5405 True dat
Commodities you just can’t get enough of. Add in sugar and cotton and it’s over.
I think my favorite sequence in the movie was when the humane came back and it was shown in no uncertain terms that they were bringing Hell with them. As the humans landed, they burned and destroyed the forests and wildlife in that area. We are meant to view this as the literal desecration of the Divine.
Avatar 1 Mechs were more MechWarrior, not Armored Core.
I always saw them more as the Matrix exosuits (from the Battle of Zion) but armored up more. Or better yet, a militarized version of Ripley's loader from Aliens, since that's another Cameron flick.
Even after all the episodes where they talk about Avatar, I still CANNOT tell if their liking it so much is a bit or not and if you ask me that was the real lesson of avatar all along.
They are 100 percent sincere in their nerdy fondness for it
Wow, this episode is getting some pretty strong reactions in the comments. I'm fine either way. I think I'm one of seven people left that never watched the original Avatar. Nothing against it, just too much hype for anything kills my boner. Well, I guess it's gonna be another decade before I can give it a try.
It's easy to build and expand on the first Avatar since it was so simplistic, thematically speaking.
What if there was a group of sh*tlib Tulkun whales, called the "Pod Johns"?
I'll see myself out.
ya this movie is just too deep for my small mind to comprehend
why don't the humans just drop those forest clearing incinerators on every na'vi settlement?
haha funny thought. probably because they're trying to colonize pandora and not burn it all up. I assume navi are everywhere, and live on all the good parts, so doing that might be too detrimental to the environment. i'm sure the humans will burn it all up later though, like they did with earth.
That was their spaceship. Spaceships are expensive enough! Can't build a bunch more just to clear forests.
Probably takes an insane amount of fuel to do that.
They need the ecosystem intact enough to extract non-mineral resources from Pandora.
Bc they're expensive idk
IT'S ABOUT TIME! I just got out of seeing Avatar The Way of Water for the 123243 time and listened to this before going in. Truly an epic that makes you go how the fuck did Big Jim do that? several times over.
I see you Big Jim at the Oscars
They cannot do another review of an Avatar movie without Matt. His autistic inability to switch to anything but a serious tone is what makes this comedy gold. I dont remember a thing about this movie, all I remember was the audience cheering when they torched some navi village and when they destroyed a forest or something.
If you put another persons memories in another body, is it truly the same person or a second new person?
Being Na'vi hits different.
The dudes are merging
If you believe you're not the same person you were yesterday because going to sleep (which terminates a continuity of consciousness) is the same as death, then it's a second new person.
Consciousness of Theseus
Jesus fucking christ FINE I will go and see it. This had better not be a fucking bit.
i promise you, it's a bit
@@MrDevival
Felix has legitimately been praising the first Avatar as an underrated classic. He has a whole theory about it being an anti colonialist masterpiece that's deeper than critics give it credit for. I'm sure there's some ironic jokes in this episode but their thesis on Avatar 2 isn't a bit. They're genuinely promoting the movie.
@@MrDevival it’s not a bit. dang you really can’t distinguish when people are being ironic and when they are not?
@@acetate909 either it's an Andy Kaufman-level bit, or I have to think that for my own sanity and well-being.
Checking in to see who's looking for Paikun
Third movie is gonna have the Colonel leading a tribe of Navi.
There’s definitely going to be a line referencing “Heart of Darkness”.
What would James Cameron do?
Everything?
They really "missed a trick" by overlooking the opportunity of giving Sully his own personal theme song (for us all to identify with) which of course would be a slightly modified version of the old "Village People's" homage to cultural appropriation, 🎵 "IN THE NA-VI" ! 🎶 ( you can make it if you're BLUE...can't believe it but it's TRUE...this can happen to YOU ! ... etc.)
LOWTAX FINALLY FIXED SEARCH HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALMAO
Lowtax killed himself so he can live on Pandora.
This sold the shit out of it to me, buying a ticket tomorrow
What did you think?
@@Bpinator I forgot it was so long, will have to wait until weekend
@@tofubutcher7456 Its long as fuck. But both my girlfriend and I absolutely loved it. We saw it in 3D and it was an insane experience
I would like to see Chapo review Redacted 2007 the ultimate anti military movie.
I never watched OG Avatar because I am afraid of the "post-Avatar depression". I really don't need another depression to pile up on the three or four I already have.
the first one made me depressed because i wanted more of the world and the second left me filled with joy and excitement and the will to live to see the rest of the movies
I genuinely think the post film depression for most people stemmed from a deep unconscious awakening to the fact that they are miserable and sleep walk through life to cope under capitalism and profit motive; but they don't have the ability to put it into words since they were never taught otherwise. The Navi tap into our innate human sensibilities of communion and the relationship with nature we once had, they have real freedom and love compared to our commodified pre packaged existence built for us before birth. Essentially they realize they want what capitalism can not only can never give them, but is blatantly trying to destroy. Just my interpretation of the phenomenon. Many people like to undervalue the effects art can have on people, but good art can bypass preconceived notions and pretensions one has to tap directly into the subconscious
I had mixed feelings about 1. It was still good though. Guess I'll see 2!
im might be bias but the second one is so much better than the first and i love the first one
@@n3n3b3n3 I am super skeptical of bringing back the bad guy and Weaver's character...and retconning the boy. It just wreaks of making it up as they go, which ruined Star Wars for me.
I will probably like it while wishing it was better.
I think we might actually see "regular" navii. A marine's training in an avatar body is a potent combination. Will there be a navii with knowledge of human science and technology, or are they viewed in fundamental opposition?
There are a few key things happening that parallel what amounts to an alternate history of Westward expansion. In particular unification of the indigenous American population. I have believed for a while that the preserve or "reservation" system, given to many separate tribes across the U.S. was a method of erasure. Instead of a single comingling of many tribal identities they are sparsely scattered and dying. In 100 years I think there may be nothing left but pictures. In trying to remain what they were in the old times they can't evolve or adapt. They are crumbling Polaroids. Yet that is the intent of the system, of "cultural preservation" to keep them as they were until they die.
The world tree mega mind seems to have a capacity to infuse all the navii with detailed knowledge and understanding. So I think that is how they will revise the history to give a collective Native American culture Western knowledge/tech, but from an outside perspective so they aren't poisoned by that thinking.
In the end if the navii survive in a way that isn't slow extermination then they will change and adapt. The way of water. The way of change.
Lastly, Will has it close to right for me. However it's not enough to be willing to die, you have to expect to die and to be completely owned. I remember a teacher talking about being willing to kill but also willing to die if joining the military. It's like killing? Sure whatever check. Dying? Heroically like a cool martyr? Mmm asterisk. However I'm sure Vietcong that saw their homes burn for days, and Taliban that saw hills and mountains that had stood for a million years imploded, knew they would die. Not maybe, but 100%, and with no book or movie to remember their name. It's s completely different I think, to go into something knowing you will die.
The one other thing I'd like to see from a movie about war, is that all war, real war that can only be waged by civilisation with specialization, are won by rice. Any movie about war shows the fighting of soldiers. Yet every soldier must be fed, their machine must be fueled and weapons repaired. The more advanced the army the more complex the logistical needs and the more intensive the base most unit to make war. The war should be lost offscreen because they literally just don't have the fuel to send anymore armadas to Pandora*.
I enjoyed the first movie but assumed they were bullshitting because everyone else seemed to think it was goofy. Glad Felix converted them.
@@McNutEVD thanks babe.
Rian Johnston doesn’t deserve the heat he’s getting😂
Oh yes he does.. 🤓
I also felt like glass onion was a bunch of things Rian Johnson wanted to tweet, glad they said it.
An eternity of CoD sounds like the lives of WingsofRedemption or OUMB2
The commitment to the bit is impressive.
Will has broken kayfabe on some movie podcast where he briefly espoused the same opinion about Avatar 1 every other hack film reviewer has.
@@Gum_Cuzzler Was that pre, or post Felix Avatar-pilling them?
I don't really care, at the end of the day. I admire how hard they go for it, haha
Just putting it out there- maybe he was speaking poetically, but it’s something a lot of people literally misunderstand: no, we are not just our memories. We are a conscious subjectivity- an observer. Our memories, thoughts, feelings, sense experiences, etc., isn’t our actual SELF any more than our address or our phone number or our favorite color is. It’s information about us, it’s part of our mind, but our mind & ego & beliefs & persona (the narratives & facts we believe about our identity as an individual)- all of these are objects of conscious awareness… Things we observe, which therefore are not the observer itself… That conscious awareness which actually can look at all of those things is our true self. But it would still really suck to have a military corporation own the contents of our minds, memories or otherwise. I only think it’s worth mentioning because identifying with the ego, with the contents of the mind, rather than recognizing that you are actually the observer who observes all of that (happening to you as much as being a part of you) is literally ego involvement/Maya (the illusion of separateness & alienated individuality that a lot of traditions would argue [I think quite soundly] is really the source of suffering, the thing that keeps us reactive, short-sighted, ensnared in the pain & difficulties associated with the material world). Given that he’s talking about spiritual liberation & release in this context, it’s kind of an important distinction to clarify, because if you think you have transcended, but the thing you think is the true self, is liberation, is actually still just part of ego, is actually still just part of the illusion, then… Well, that famous quote about how none are more enslaved than those who falsely believe they’re free pretty much describes it. In the extreme it can lead to full-on solipsism. People convincing themselves that they’ve transcended, that they’re seeing the deepest nature of reality, & that all it is is their own personal ego & memories & preferences… That everyone else are just philosophical zombies- automata, NPCs populating their own personal imagination… That isn’t transcendence- it’s the most profound form of self-delusion.
I'm a discreet individual
The only thing I disagree with Matt on here is that Clement is indeed returning in the sequal, and with a mechanical arm no less, but not as Ahab, he's coming back as Paul Watson and will be leading the Sea Shepherd/Greenpeace human faction.
Clement isn't the Aussie whaler guy, he's the marine biologist
@@anonymousstormchaser That's correct, I'm failing to see your point in bringing that up however?
@@supermossboy1226 The marine biologist didn't lose his arm, and matt said the whaler would come back as ahab.
@@caiuscosades362 You're incorrect.
@@supermossboy1226 So the marine biologist who didn't lose his arm is coming back with a robot arm in the next movie, got it. regardless, you're way off about that do nothing soyboy marine biologist, you saw the extent that his type struggles in the face of genocide, just make some snide comments and talk about his alcoholism. How do you extrapolate that to greenpeace hero of the whales? Do you relate to the biologist? is it wishful thinking?
The Ilu remind me of Pinnacarids from Subnautica: Below Zero.
The movie innovated nothing for storytelling, but it will be the closest 99% of people will get to seeing a healthy coral reef in their lifetimes.
When I saw it there was actual cheers in the theater at the whalers being killed, and the film's on the nose pro-indigenous stance was... not well handled and maybe could have used 10x more Indigenous people involvement.
But at the end of the day arguing about cultural entertainment products is zero substitute for actual organizing for actual changes to actual laws and rules but arguing online does separate people and create profitable buzz, so I can't really abide the calls to boycott for being culturally insensitive. I resent defending the movie but it at least adds something anti-imperialist to the polluted mud-dumpster of public discourse?
"the closest 99% of people will get to seeing a healthy coral reef in their lifetimes" - depressing, and true
"it innovated nothing for storytelling" dude like over 95% of all movies follow the same basic storytelling, its called the hero's journey, look it up, maybe it'll clear things up for you
So glad to hear Lowtax is in this movie. I hope he can use a portion of the proceeds to fix his spine
And then Norm, (remember Norm? We all love Norm)
I like the thumbnail
Avatar is an Isekai. XD
Rich voice: "Oh my GOOOOD!"
The kids just get kidnapped over and over for 3 hours
The only thing I didn't like about the new avatar are some of the plot threads going nowhere, like how the hunters were hunting the tu'kun for amrita or his Jakes adopted daughter being connected in some way to the planet. I know they're setups for the next movies, but man, just let a movie be it's own thing.
they should just have released all sequels as one movie with intermissions