As a long-term Dragon Ball fan seeing the franchise losing it's edge was my biggest fear, but at the same time I always expected something similar to happen because there's something about Toriyama that all fans ignore: he hates drawing action and his true passion is comedy. And I'm not making shit up, he literally said that in a 2014 interview.
It's something I really do hate about him as a creator. Once DBZ went into space, it outgrew him. It became something other than what he was used to, because he just fucks around adding in random plot points _as the story progresses._ He had no plans for a space epic of any kind, and it became a space epic. He's good at two things. Drawing comic strips, and bullshitting. I do appreciate & enjoy the DB franchise- just not toriyama.
@@magne7771 It's called garden style writing. Planting the seeds and seeing what it grows into with less direction than a planner style of writing. It's highly common and makes a bunch of good stories, but yes it can get away from you if you let it grow out of control.
I think Toriyama misses the way things used to be during the early Dragon Ball days before it got darker and full of transformations. That, and he doesn’t have his original editors to interfere with his original ideas, some of which made changes for the best, especially during the Cell Saga. Nothing happens the same way twice and nostalgia can only satisfy fans for so long. But all that being said, I’m just hoping Daima can bring SOMETHING new to the table and at the very least be a lot better than how GT turned out. On the bright side, at least the anime will have more than enough content to adapt whenever they get back to doing Super.
During Cell arc? Are you kidding? Retconning your main villain in the middle of the arc (trice, no less) is not a good thing. It doesn't make Cell arc better, in fact it's the opposite.
@@kindlingking It was a lot, but I'm glad we got Cell. No doubt 19 and 20 would've been great, but man, Cell is pretty sweet. I'm glad with the way it turned out. You never know how it'd turn out if he had his old editors but I like to think Super and maybe the direction would be better if so. I'd LIKE to THINK.
@@joaocbcneto well, "work" - it's still an arc that keeps jumping from one narrative/villain to the other without properly exploring either (like wouldn't it be interesting to learn more about Gero and his motivation? Or develop androids as characters more? Or go full in with Cell being a horror movie monster instead of turning him into a budget Frieza?), has lots of absurdities (senzu bean moment is the most famous one) and plot holes (the whole time travel thing) and introduces transformation creep, something that keeps plaguing Dragon Ball to this day. It's also super lazy in signature Toriyama style. Oh, I need a training arc in the middle of a villain goose chase? Bam, here's a magical room with distorted time flow that could've been very useful in previous arcs, bur of course only the current threat is dangerous enough. Wrote myself into a corner by twice by giving Cell too clear of a weakness? No problem, actually he can move his core within his body and can just zenkai into his perfect form without absorbing both artificial humans, from a self-destruction mind you. At least Goku realises what a terrible and oblivious father he was for Gohan throughout this arc. That's a highlight.
That's what's baffling about kid-focused DBZ content. Are kids today even picking up dragon ball? Everyone who grew up watching the show is at least 30 now.
I think the most frustrating thing is that Super started off a bit of a miss, but the tournament of power arc seemed to bring a lot of people back, and following that it seemed the DBSuper Manga started to really pick up too. I would be very disappointed if we never get to see Moro or "Ultra Ego" visualised on screen. It feels like Daima is for a complete difference audience or perhaps a new one.
we're never going to see anything interesting in the manga again at this rate. its honestly hard to believe they would make the creative choice to spend a YEAR lazily retelling the spinoff movie that JUST came out, while Broly got a one or two page spread and a blurb.
Dbs manga is insanely bad, Granolah and Moro arcs are the worst dragon ball fiction I've ever seen, any fan manga is better. Quick reminder - fat buu in moro arc got ssj blue power level from sleeping. Yeah, fat buu, the weak fragment of the original fat buu, who was weaker than ssj3 Goku in Z just got a whole anime season worth of power boost. And it wasn't some divine power or something like that, he just slept, awakening the guy, who got killed by kid buu.
Dbs manga is insanely bad, Granolah and Moro arcs are the worst dragon ball fiction I've ever seen, any fan manga is better. Quick reminder - fat buu in moro arc got ssj blue power level from sleeping. Yeah, fat buu, the weak fragment of the original fat buu, who was weaker than ssj3 Goku in Z just got a whole anime season worth of power boost. And it wasn't some divine power or something like that, he just slept, awakening the guy, who got killed by kid buu.
Super Fans: YOU HATE SUPER BECAUSE YOURE BLINDED BY NOSTALGIA! Also Super Fans: OMG! THEY BROUGHT FRIEZA BACK!!! TRUNKS IS BACK TO WARN THEM ABOUT THE FUTURE AGAIN!!! OMFG ITS CELL VS GOHAN AGAIN!!! YAAAAAS!
@@djn6962 I have to wonder how anyone thinks SSGSS (ssj blue) is a good transformation...its literately just ssj1 but worse in practically every single way!
The biggest problem Super has is it's fast paced story style. Concepts get introduced, and they quickly just gun for the ending without really doing the proper legwork. The greatest examples of that are the TOP and UI transformation. The TOP was cool, but it suffered major problems like who are most of these guys? The TOP should have been the grand finale to Super after many arcs of build up exploring the other universes. Since we didn't do that its just mindless action most of the time, which is fun but not really much else. We also have the consequence of just killing almost everything BOG introduced. Like how many of you guys honestly want to see an arc in Universe 2? Probably not a lot of you. Then, with UI, I think it's pretty obvious. After Goku got it in the TOP, the next few arcs should be about Goku trying to achieve it again, learning and growing slowly until the big "Aha" moment somewhere down the road. Again because we didn't do that, now we have a situation where Goku is just too strong for the story. At the end of the Morro arc Goku was supposed to have a more stable UI than he did before yet somehow in the beginning of the Granolah arc he suddenly has all these problems that were never called up before. Super has a lot of potential left but I think they threw a lot of it away. The biggest case in point is the fact that the most hype thing it has going for it is a Z villan thats returned like 3 times already in canon. The even bigger case in point is the nostalgia fest Super is now.
Honestly I disagree, last thing Super needed was a slower pace, and when you consider that a lot of the ToP contestants were just skipped over In the manga, it could of been a little more boring in that aspect
@@doodguytheblank2403 Also how many times have we memed about Goku taking 100 episodes to launch a Kamehameha in Z? Z was pretty bloated, we all know it and we saw it as an issue that Super kinda fixed but now people are nostalgic towards how long Z was when it was just painfully slow... Specially for the Japanese audience. Imagine having to wait like almost half a year for the Goku and Frieza fight to end.
I hate the nostalgia bait so goddamn much, Golden Freeza, Future Trunks, Blue Vegito, Broly, Bardock and most recently Cell Max, Gohan Blanco and... Freeza again...but now Black. But the worst part is, its a working formula and been extremely successful, so I cant fault Toei at all. They're making their money. Even people that are critical of Super are eating that shit up and are begging for characters like Cooler and Janemna and its like we just cant move forward. Such a shame, so many new concepts could be explored but looks like it aint gonna happen
Yeah, I LOLd really hard when he said Toriyama is the most knowledgeable person about Dragon Ball. Toriyama is well known for not caring all that much about it, never bothering to re-read his older stuff, and regularly forgetting details leading to plot holes or contradictions (or inessential but beloved side characters never ever being mentioned again, like Launch). I believe with near-100% confidence that even the most casual of fans has more accurate factual knowledge about the lore and details of the story than Toriyama himself does. Going 'well he's the author, he knows best' might seem intuitive and probably correct for most media, but in this situation it's just denying widely known reality, lmao. I always complain that Toriyama (or Shueisha, or whoever is the ultimate owner of the IP) should just hire a fan or two to fact-check every new thing that he, the Toei writers, Toyotarou, or even video game writers come up with. Someone whose long-term investment in this fictional world can be safely assumed to be purely based on how much they genuinely love it, without any additional financial incentive like for anyone that directly profits from new Dragon Ball media being released.
@@spadedust24 The covers are in colour, and there's of course promotional art that shows the characters' colours, and even full-colour reprints for some popular series. Bulma and Trunks have always had purple hair in the manga pre-Super, just like the pink segments on Piccolo's arm have always been yellow, and Karin (the talking white cat from the tower) always blue. Same with Dragon Ball Online and a couple other video games based on the manga rather than the anime
Had the manga not continue with the 2 new arcs and stopped where the anime did, I think hate for Daima wouldn't be as bad, because waiting and anticipating how Moro will be like, seeing Ultra Ego Vegeta and even for just 5 minutes seeing Black Freeza was something that everyone would've gotten hyped for. Daima just comes off as a strong backhand to the fans that were patiently waiting for the anime while keeping taps on the manga.
@@roxtechsyea, but then you had to factor in toei animation being more focused on other projects, and had to find the best schedules for them to make daima.
@pieguy7 I totally agree with you bro the timing of this shit is so dumb we the real dragon ball fans have been waiting for an anime for over 5 years and yet instead of giving us a mini series of the entire Moro arc with this animation would have been awesome instead you go backwards and do this dogshit gt worst part was making Goku a kid so why go with it this anime is going to force fans too wait until 2026 until dragon ball super comes back or at least we get a new movie Damn!!!!!!
Bro, you are giving Toriyama too much credit. He is notorious for forgetting Dragon Ball facts, details, appearances, plot, and characters. He even said in an interview about his work on Battle of Gods that he forgot what Super Saiyan 3 was.
De-aging everyone was not a great choice, just when Trunks and Goten were actually aging too. I think Toriyama's out of his mind, but I'll wait and see.
I would have some hype if it wasn't for the de-aging. Toriyama aged up the cast so fight scenes could be better and to symbolise progress... this is the opposite. But yeah when this releases next year it's gonna be... interesting to say the least 🤔
No one knows Dragon Ball quite like its original creator? Toriyama forgets about the existence of characters entirely, and even forgets names. He once forgot who Piccolo was in an interview and got Yamcha and Radditz mixed up. It is confirmed he made a lot of stuff up as he went along, leading to infamous continuity errors like Cell regenerating from having his entire upper body blown off and then later saying he can regenerate only if the nucleus in his head survives.
So he's not allowed to forget about certain characters or mix up names periodically? You do realize bro is dam near 70 right? DB also isn't his only series and isn't deeply involved in DB like he was when he was writing/drawing it back in the day.. Also Akira making up things as he goes was literally his strong suit which gave us classic arcs in DBZ so I don't think anyone's complaining especially when people say Cell Saga is one of the best arcs of the franchise. He literally made Super Saiyan because it was more convenient to draw and didn't want to shade in hair. Akira was never a conventional writer.
I hope the continuity of everything is made clear. That's my biggest gripe with modern Dragon Ball. Say clearly where Daima is on the timeline and then either do a Super 2 and make clear that the order is Broly->Moro->Granaloh->Super Hero or just don't bother with it at all because the lack of one continuity creates a headache.
Bro the dragon timeline is all messed up 😂 They are trying to fit everything between the 10 year Z timeskip Like imagine in a decade or something someone who’s never seen dragon ball and knows nothing about it is about to Finally finish Z But he notices there’s a timeskip with stuff in between to watch in order Bro would have to watch the entirety of super, super 2, diama, just to finish that last episode of Z😂 Bro
We have been waiting years and years for Trunks and Goten to age and most of us who saw Super Hero were very excited to see some of that present. And now we have GT 2.0 instead of a solid continuation off of where Super Hero left off. I just really question the direction of this franchise sometimes. The highs are high and the lows are low.
We've been waiting YEARS for uub too. We will wait several more years for Jiren to return. It's wild how the series just jumps timelines over and over again.
Toriyama is running out of time to he's not gonna live forever. Once he dies, and the story that he will write will be animated. I feel that dragon ball will fall off and we will never really see a good ending. I hope he finishes this series before he goes and puts it to rest.
The storytelling in OG Dragonball was so much more grounded and character based. No matter how many powerups and interesting villains Super had, it just felt like shallow action and fanservice. I completely welcome any attempt to shake up the formula.
@@cory6640 I love the fighting. I think for many that is what got them into the series to begin with, such as myself. 25yo, grew up watching Z. However the story drove the action, which WAS the fights, so I dunno. I for one thought Super was OK, but Z was my favorite. People have different points of entry you know? DB story always been kinda odd and sometimes nonsensical with their storyline, but I feel like Z had a good story, some stuff actually made sense story-wise and character-wise. Super, I don't know... I used to love Goku but not so much now
Thats how I feel about Super, it lacked actual story, and narrative like Goku learning more about being a martial artist. Super just felt like a shallow run of the mill Dragonball Z series extension with transformations just being thrown in left and right with no meaning, or weight to them. A lot of things people complained about that made Super less impactful to Z, within none of the arcs being memorable beyond the fights. So if Toriyama is doing this, his way then I hope its better to prove what Super was missing.
Just remake the og series with Z and Super in mind. Seeing Kid Vegeta in DB as a cameo was a staple in fanart. Having it happen would've been amazing, a true call to the lore of 40 years.
Original was made on a shoestring budget and much more of an action adventure series . The Anniversary movie was better than entire OG dragon ball. Fighting was due to kung fu and other martial arts were having a HUGE boost of popularity worldwide and series was greenlit to capitalize on it.
Sorry Guys, but regardless of the quality of the art, animation, and such, I am not at all interested in "Everyone gets turned into Children". They can never sell this idea to me, and we must remember, you are never the only one who thinks or feels something. If you tried to tell me that the majority of Dragon Ball fans always wanted to see everyone get turned into Children or that they think everyone getting turned into Children is a great next step for the story, I'd say they were lying and that anyone who said either of those things were just coping and trying to prove they are more loyal in a "holier than thou" way.
If they wanted to do something like turning everyone into kids they could’ve just made a new show at that point with new characters with the help of Toriyama. Btw How are they gonna do fan service for the Coomers if they’re all kids😂
Agreed in no reality would I prefer to go backwards into something I’m familiar with in opposed to delving into something completely unique and new. I’ve been watching DB since the 80’s time for some new and interesting villains and subplots..I would’ve even preferred another TOP…
Bruh what. I’m super excited for this. It’s not “getting turned to kids” that ppl have been wanting, it’s the new character interactions that we’ll be getting from it, like Goku working with shin and getting his power pole back, to name a few
Personally if they were going to do a GT-esqe show i would have rather had them do an adventure series where Pan is like 8 and Goten, Trunks and Uub are taking care of her while exploring the universe. That way young Pan could give us the goofy moments Kid Goku had and we wouldn't have a ridiculous power creep. Also keeping in line with the passing of the torch themes. Goku would essentially be a "Master" type character like Roshi, Kami, Korin or King Kai but in his own way.
Usually, but not always, when I grab the manga/watch tne anime I can be more-or-less sure that I'll experience complete story with understandable canon. And that's great, because not only it is easier toget into a series like this, but also a series that respects its own canon is less likely to make writing blunders and so on, and so on. But with modern Dragon Ball, I am convinced that quite literally nothing matters in there anymore. Daima will most likely be no different, regardless of how much Toriyama will have fun with it.
Yeah once you kill the canon the franchise dies soon after. That's a mistake both modern Star Wars and post Infinity War MCU have been making a lot. Once I learned that Ultra Instinct doesn't even exist in the movie continuity, I tuned out.
Canon is a western concept and is something that was NEVER prioritized in Japan as opposed to Western comics. Dragon Ball has multiple continuities with the original DB manga being the main storyline/continuity and Super being a sequel to that as the anime adaption is its own continuity but still canon. It's not that hard to follow what's "canon" or what isn't. Also since when was UI not apart of the movie continuities. What are you talking about? Every movie prior to Battle of Gods is canon and in the latest movie T.O.P was literally referenced so UI definitely exists.@@Yodah97
@@WizG. The funny thing is, I agree. In that canon is mainly western concept. But the ironic thing is, mangas are often still sticking to it more often than mainstream western comics. Seriously, when I grab the manga, I ustally have the story as it meant to be told. I don't have to dealt with shitload of continuities, multiverses that encourage lazy writing and other stuff like that. Dragon Ball, while being a japanese story is becoming more and more like a western one. And its not good.
@@WizG. This channel has a video about that. The Tournament of Power is canon. Jiren is canon. Ultra Instinct as a new form with white hair is not canon to the movies. Or more importantly, it doesn't seem to be canon for Toryama, since he writes the movies. Black Frieza and Ultra Ego are most likely not canon to him either.
My theory. This is gonna be Masako Nozawas last time as Goku, and Yes I do believe that super is coming back, but I think the next big part of the story in super will happen. They just don’t want the situation that Goku dies in the middle of the production. So Toriyama is writing something he’s passionate about because he wanted the last performance of The legendary actress to be his story. She’s 87 and it would make sense considering how many actors we lost in the last 7 years.
I don’t know people get pretty old in Japan. She could even become 110. You never know. I don’t think they’re waiting for that. Personally without Masako Nozawa there is no Goku for me.
So your theory is that daima was created because they didn't want the voici actress to die during the second season of super ? I'm sorry this is hilarous
Daima is being created celebrate the 40th anniversary of the franchise. And No it’s not replacing super. The next chapter of the anime will happen it will just take time
To be honest with you I wasn't the best fan of Dragon Ball super But now that the anime is gone I kind of really respect and value it no matter how wonky it got sometimes. Because believe it or not we are grown adults that still love the series and can show our kids the series as well.
Super is just pure trash. A lot of the roots that were grown throughout the series were just thrown out the door to compete with new anime’s. Db doesn’t need that. The only decent thing about super was the zamasu arc. It at least felt like Z
I still don’t know how to feel about Daima, I was waiting on that Dragon Ball Super Season 2 to be announced. But the creator has a lot of high hopes for it so it might not be too bad. Though my expectations for this is very low.
Something to also note is that the Japanese have the Japanese audience as their main priority, so unless you’re writing/speaking in Japanese, you’re complaining to the void
I mean a tiny RUclips channel can only reach so far. But don't underestimate how much Toei values foreigners. The overseas market is a huge source of revenue, particularly for theatrical releases. And money talks. That said, Daima as an all-star team producing an celebratory anime for the 40th year anniversary of the series... yeah, their focus is 1000% on the Japanese audience for that one. And on OG Dragon Ball Fans who liked Goku better before he went blonde.
I respect Daima for what it is, but for however long that Daima runs for ensures that dragon ball super won't get animated. If I remember correctly, that also means that none of the characters in post TOP arcs can appear in games because I believe there's a clause where no character can appear in a game until it has been animated. The problem was that what people were hoping for was completely steamrolled by something nobody asked for.
Except for Supers next arc was announced about same time , Broly arc with a bigger budget for animation. Don't know how all these people covering Daima missed the Super info
I mean lets be honest, this is all because toriyama wants to make Daima. Im guessing that was the only project he was willing to work on (refusing super season2) so they gave him permission to make daima so they can at least sell SOMETHING dragonball. Honestly this looks like the end of DB/Z/S to me
@@DarkepyonXim gonna need a source on the claim super season 2 was announced. Just searched and no solid results. There are *rumors* and "leaks" that sesson 2 will come out in 2023, but its almost november 2023 and still no official confirmation.
Nah if they make a Dragonball series like the first show, they should use Pan as the new protagonist. The first Dragonball show was great because it was not always about strength and power. Goku had to be outsmart a lot of his opponents. The new shows are all power level fights. A smart and powerful enemy, or an enemy with a unique and sinister ability is better than "new color power".
@@rudkomontana2618 Dragon Ball Z was on a downward spiral by the Buu arc. People only remember it fondly because they only remember SSJ3, mystic Gohan and Buu in isolation. Kinda like how you can love Super by only remembering the hype stuff like UI and Goku Black.
@@ekki1993 I dropped Super after a few episodes, I couldn't stand it. It should have stayed finished after Buu, or if anything, continued with the Uub story. Dragon Ball is good, and I love the original, but man, forcing a continuation like with Super just gives me a bad taste in my mouth.
What's weird to me is that despite the fact Toyotaru has been blessed by Toryama to be his spiritual successor when it comes to manga, this new series completely ignores most recent manga arcs and turns everyone back into children (rip teenage Trunks and Goten ig). I don't like it, and I don't understand why people are defending it.
It ignores the most recent arcs because it’s supposed to be happening before them. During the 4-year period between the end of Z (not including Uub) and the start of super.
People are defending it because they have read the manga, the next two arcs would suck ass unless heavily changed with Granola making even the worst GT arcs look like the Frieza Saga. Daima could be interesting and those who like original dragon ball (mainly the Japanese audience, something everyone seems to ignore) are finally getting something that might bring back that experience, and at the cost of what? Waiting a few more years for DBS 2, so it can adapt two bad arcs that would diminish the significance of things like MUI which the broader fanbase still holds in high regard because they only watch the anime.
Dragonball peak was from Og DB till the end of the Namek Saga. This was when Toriyama just couldn't care anymore. This is why the Cell saga and Buu saga dropped in writing level.
Cell saga had an absolutely amazing villain. Cell just fucken fantastic very creepy very sneaky and intelligent at the beginning and wish got more love and time into writing. I love buu saga in many ways but for sure massive drop, I love how it has much comedy mix in but they really fail in much of the execution and same with buu. Buu himself is an amazing character and concept with very unique pure evil being of chaos that really throws a wrench compared to every other villain but could have had more horror moments or serious moments like giving goten and trucks maybe even giving gohan the win would have been great change if pace. Think team four star did great idea of showing a horrific part of buu that seems genuinely possible of having buu spawn mouths on his body sounding like gohan friends and family suffering, in pain, or scared beyond belief and it just gives absolute amazing idea of psychological horror along with chaotic evil that buu is. Could have been so much more but of course just doesn’t care anymore and lot much of what made of dragon ball great even what made sayian saga too namek saga great
As someone who has been a fan of Toriyama for 30 years, Toriyama was never an action writer, but rather a comedy/slice of life writer. It was no coincidence Dr. Slump was his first hit manga, he treats it like his first born child, and always comes back to the silliness of it, even with his more serious series. Fans of DBZ on the other hand, have a different image in their head, they like the edgy out of this world power scaling aspect of it, not the grounded yet sometimes absurd humor Toriyama brings like Arale breaking the planet in half multiple times, and the next minute everything is back to normal while the sun is wearing sunglasses. Daima with Toriyama in the lead, will not be what the fans want, but it will be Toriyama wet project, a project he's been dreaming about ever since GT and Super went in different directions.
Freezer saga, cell saga and buu saga are very serious in Dragon Ball. In cell freezer and cell saga you have 0 element of comedy. toriyama has always been good at seriousness when he is supervised by torishima his editor. the problem with dbs and daima is that it's only a bad comedy without the serious aspect of dragon ball and above all torishima doesn't supervise dbs like he supervised dragon ball
The reason Toriyama was able to get away with replacing Super is because the reception for Super has always been mixed and because it's half-baked if it were as well received as Z it wouldn't have happened
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Honesty.... why did Dragon Ball fans like Moro's and Granola's arc?
Honestly because we were complacent I have been a dragon ball follower for a long while now and I'm seriously disappointed I just started to watch other anime's and I'm actually having fun now
I liked it as even though there were glaring issues the way they were paces and overall handled was a step up from the other arcs (goku black excluded). There are still big issues with some of the main points, but I just think it shows that the next few arcs to come after this super hero retelling have the potential to be really good.
Why did ppl like dbz? It has has no fucking story an mc that ppl cant even understand and vegeta, the most overrated character in shounen, he went from villain to anti hero to hero and people are like "OMG CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT EJEIEJJ) mid anime overall, newer anime neg.
The hate for this is ridiculously unnecessarily and stupid. This will be better than any continuation was Super. Most the same people who are hating on this, are the same people who said they where sick of Super and its formula, and they where sick of characters not being treat right, and sick of plot holes and inconsistent animation, and sick of the jarring differences between the manga and anime making the canon confusing. This will be a nice change of pace for once, something fun and something most importantly different. Super's formula was getting stale (minus the movies), after this it when Super does drop itll make it that much more exciting and worthwhile. This series will be great, but most of you probably wont give it a chance anyway because it isnt exactly what you wanted (which is apparently more Super despite the hate Super got when it was coming out).
It seems like a bad idea for Dragon Ball series to go this route with the Daima anime since there's a lot of hype surrounding DB Super and I believe letting go of that moment might cause issues in the future especially if Daima is received mixed or poorly with fans.
@@hatefulgaming1800Honestly considering I've went through the drought of nothing between 2000 and 2012 (there was the special episode of 2008 and Cross Epoch and that's it) DB fans post 2013 are spoiled. Not to mention without DBA general interest towards the franchise wouldn't have been as big as it was.
We are still getting dbs season 2, it is coming out after the prequel arc to super is done. Also Daima is a single season celebration season taking place between dragon ball z and dragon ball super.
Thing is, we already had De-Aging happen, and it was icky and creepy. Ending up with a 35+ year old woman turning into a kid, turning into Trunk's young crush and later main romantic interest (when mentally she's probably, what, 70 to his 18-21?)
I mean GT already had a de-aged Goku, which in my opinion ultimately worked alright, because fans have already seen Kid Goku back in original Dragon Ball, so in a way it was bringing back a familiar character, on top of giving him an absolutely busted powerup by having him age into adulthood for a second time. Super had a de-aged Pilaf Gang as an "inversion" of GT, but this time it was difficult to digest because we never saw them as kids/teens before. It's creepy but at least it was the Pilaf Gang which have become secondary comedic characters. The whole main cast on the other hand though... That's just far too weird
Honestly if this has dope action without any lame transformations I’ll be okay with it. I’m way in the minority but I’m so tired of all these boring transformations just give me classic OG Dragon Ball martial arts
I think jumping into a season 2 right now would be too soon, considering we have only 3-ish arcs to look forward to, which are smaller than most Z arcs. Unless we want Filler to consume our Anime (which isn’t so bad imo), we should wait until the manga hits the End of Z point.
The manga isn't the source material for the anime. Both were being made at the same time following Toryama's notes. The manga was only made to promote the anime (don't ask me how that works, I don't get it either). But this means there is no need to give the manga room to advance before starting Season 2. Season 1 was written and produced without using the manga as a guide. This also means that the anime might skip the Moro and Granola arcs entirely. Seems unlikely to me, but they could do it. Especially if the manga gets cancelled.
Should have just worked on DBS, it'd be done and possibly even have the dub ready to simulcast, instead of making us wait a year. This looks garbage, animation and all.
I was hoping we would get a new story focusing on Goten, Trunks, Uub and Pan since toriyama has been hyping them up as the “ Next Generation of Z Fighters “ for years now. But all we get is another Goku and Vegeta Show but as Babies now lol 😂😂.
Naw it’s the fans that been hyping them up for years lol. Goten and Trunks were clearly made to be jokes cause they aren’t even relevant in super. Then there’s Uub in Pan who seem like characters he wishes to end the series with
@@weridplusho Right we don’t have nearly enough information. Cause in the description the show was being described with Goku and Shin along with two other companions
you've become my favorite dragon ball youtuber because you are just fucking real with it man, I tried saying these kind of things on the dragon ball subreddit and just get dogpiled on by fanboys. thanks for using your platform to tell it like it is
The rest of the Super manga will eventually get made into anime as long as Dragon Ball remains popular. But the franchise does need some time away from endless transformations.
I would have preferred a series on universe 6 with cabba as the main character where we meet the king of saiyans of universe 6 and even interaction between him and vegeta( as vegeta promised to do) or maybe even a fight. An interaction between Broly and Kale would've even been possible as well and wanted by a lot of fans...
I want you to know that people like me exist; I would have preferred Gohan as the great saiyaman and his antics be the future of dragon ball. Sometimes by being too picky, you end up with something worse and half assed. And I believe that’s what we got. Great saiyaman wasn’t given a chance, and it’s fine that it was different. The Jojo parts don’t just stay the same even in tone and theme, do they? Just some food for thought. Needless to say, I am completely confident if Toriyama’s creative vision remains uninterrupted that dragon ball daima will be the greatest, funniest installation of dragon ball since the *Namek saga.*
Bro this man wanted dr gero to kill super saiyan goku. If you leave him uninterrupted he will destroy everything you love about the series. But we shall see.
@@nitishbenie3813 Toriyama did not plan for that. In the original timeline similar events happen, but Goku likely dies to the heart virus for whatever reason. Toriyama has Goku take medicine which trunks gives him at the beginning of the arc. Even if a sick and tired Goku died to that android, would that not make for a compelling story? And who are you to question the writing abilities of Toriyama. I’m glad I boxed, because I learned respect for those better than me at a skill even if I disagreed on their methods personally. That doesn’t mean the method is entirely wrong, and it can lead to a better end. I think Toriyama should be criticized for his shortcomings, but that’s not what I’ve seen. All I’ve seen in this community is a complete disrespect for Toriyama’s writing abilities as if he didn’t invent dragon ball. Would you question Mike Tyson’s fighting methods before the fight is over? For example. I remember seeing someone say Toriyama is bad at fight choreography. What a joke. That’s like saying Einstein is bad at math.
As much as I respect Toriyama's vision and his skill and all, genuinely all I want is Moro animated and then I'll literally never complain about dragon ball again, I know how good it would be especially now with the current staff and everyone would like it, plus even if we don't get granolah it would still be a pretty cool spot for dbs to end on with UI fully mastered.
I'm more than happy to give Daima its fair shot. The fact that the man is putting so much effort into it says to me that he wants to return to the days of OG dragon ball and I am definitely going to let him. Super had its hype moments, sure, but that's all they ever really were. Moments. Super Hero has been my favourite dragon ball anything that I've seen in several years now and not even because of the fights. I can barely recall anything from the UI reveal episode but I'll never forget Piccolo holding a phone like an old man, sneaking around a base in disguise, how upbeat the vibe was, and the humor throughout it so if Daima can give me that, as you said, let the man cook
My thing with toriyama is that yes he has had success where without him manga and anime would likely have struggled but more but much like what happened with spielberg, Lucas, and Cameron if you allow the success to go to their heads they begin to lose sight of what made them successful in the first place. The talent is still there of course especially for toriyama and Cameron but their attitudes especially in your description of toriyama just shows he really doesn't know how to be humble or understand he needs to keep a focus.
More like if you're a fan of Z/Super you're done. Almost no chance we ever get super season 2 if we are getting this daima show and still 0 confirmation on a season 2.
I thought about something you said in this video regarding everyone turning into children again. Yes - Toriyama aged up a lot of the cast in order to make the fights better and demonstrate "progression", but haven't child warriors always been a part of Dragon Ball? Gohan is a small child for a majority of DBZ, Trunks returns in the Buu Saga as his present child version, Goten brought along some great moments with Trunks, and Gotenks is a fan favorite demonstrating that fights can still be very interesting with a child character involved. I understand it may be off-putting or polarizing to see our cast turned into children again (some for the very first time, which is fun), but to Toriyama's point - this could be very refreshing to Dragon Ball by having our characters depend on their martial arts and tools (like the Power Pole) instead of countless transformations and Ki Blasts. Just feels a little half baked of an argument that does lean more on the side of criticism rather than optimism in my opinion. I'm a big fan of your content, but I think it's fair to argue both sides fairly.
“No one knows Dragonball like its own creator” Toriyama: “who’s general tao pai pai?” lol “I forgot launch existed” “I thought super saiyan 2 was super saiyan 3” lmao okay guy 😂
@@SniperKing-O Eiichiro Oda was interviewing Toriyama & Oda was talking about Toriyama’s previous work & asked a question about General Tao & Toriyama didn’t even remember who he was & had no idea who he was even talking about. lol
@shenron7x Lol, my God! Toriyama needs someone to carry an encyclopedia of DB lore for him so he can knock those cobwebs out of his head. Maybe Oda could give him some pointers on how to keep track of all his characters, because he seems to have zero trouble.😂 😭
@@SniperKing-O or Dragonball can just fucking end, or they can fire all the writers that were in super, specially kick Toriyama out of the writing room, he can’t brains anymore.
As someone who was a Dragon Ball fan during the 90s I don't like the direction where toriyama took the franchise in modern day and I felt like GT was the perfect end to the franchise there was no reason for him to bring it back but nope Dragonball evolution made sure of that he came back. They should have never given the franchise to Hollywood in the first place they don't understand the Dragon Ball lore and in modern day times I think Toriyama doesn't even know his own lore anymore since he's so forgetful. Toriyama has full control over his project and he's going to do whatever he wants. As Dragon Ball Daima I really have no interest in seeing it and I was never really that big into the OG Dragon Ball I grew up with Dragon Ball Z first Dragon Ball GT was okay could have been better it has some of the cooler villains like Baby Vegeta and the shadow dragons plus Super Saiyan 4 was very creative and Dragon Ball super I thought was a downright piece of crap good ideas executed poorly and it had to rely on nostalgia instead of doing fresh ideas. I have other animes to keep me entertained that are more interesting than the current dragon ball and if I really wanted to go back to Dragon Ball I just go back to the old stuff.
@@dominiquerobinson8888 I'm not expecting it to be like the original Dragon Ball and it's not a GT remake. I think this is going to flop just like super did in Japan
They really need to do "Dragon Ball: Ultra" and show some time passage with UI Goku and UE Vegeta being equal-ish while it's really their *children* whom we're focused on. There may be a lot of questions we have as to what has happened in the last... say... 6-7 years since the ToP finished. Trunks and Goten weren't there to know, so we, the audience, are as unsure of the past -- and future -- as they are. What suspense that would bring, the opportunities to open up a new horrible past and form a terrifying new future from that. And of course, Goku and Vegeta will never stop being important or developing, just, that development is more happening in the background whilst we observe their successors' burgeoning growth more closely. I think this is perfect. It gives almost everyone what they want, plus it's a good parallax on the passage of multiple stories as you have the much quicker-paced children moving things along in the foreground and the much slower-paced adults still growing, if menacingly, in the backdrop of all that passes. Sigh.
Honestly, we're not missing out on much not getting the rest of Super. Also, since I keep seeing this shit everywhere - Daima is NOT GT. The only thing it's taking from GT is making Goku a kid again. If anything, it'll be closer to og Dragonball in tone
Toriyama is one of the manga authors that got CARRIED by his editors more than almost any manga author I've known of and honestly if it weren't for his editors he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did
Bro stuf 😂 you watch one video and you think you know everything that went down between Toriyama and his editors? The guy is a creative genius all they did was keep him focused on action, . the talent, the art, the ideas, the characters, its all him you goofy clown 😂
Daima must have been a godsend for the producers. It's A) A story that Toriyama is actually passionate about, B) completely unrelated to the Super shitshow and C) perfect opportunity to grab the younger audience.
@@Eru_3ru Funny, and where's YOUR decades spanning animated franchise dare I ask? If Toriyama wants to make a goofy show with the cast as kids he's allowed to experiment. You know, like an artist?
its crazy how people would watch dbs or even dbz but not db. Its like skipping straight to wano arc in one piece or skipping to when ichigo gets his bankai
Idk man, not to sound negative but I genuinely don’t trust in toriyama cooking, modern dragon ball has fucked over many old and new characters that had good concepts and the stuff he wrote is especially worse than the original manga. Minus,broly,rof and even super hero are almost entirely written by him or supervised by him and those movies ruin/have alot of the bad traits in dragon ball(fights that have no impact and mean nothing, mid stories that overall don’t impact anything from it or later, transformations and fanservice just for the sake of it, and more) the only good thing that has come out from modern dragon that was written by him was battle of gods but that was because he ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND READ THROUGH THE SOURCE MATERIAL. I don’t blame anyone who’s hyped for the upcoming stuff planned or even trusting in toriyama’s storytelling, more power to them. But personally speaking, i have nearly zero trust in his storytelling or in daima, but I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt when it drops and give it a watch as the character designer,director and staff are all individuals that i adore their work so hopefully it’ll at least look good and maybe, just maybe it’ll have a good story
I'm not gonna lie, I'm hyped for any Dragon Ball content. I've been a fan since i was 5 with my mum randomly buying me 'Dragon Ball Z: The World's Strongest'. Daima seems like an amazing concept and I've always been a fan of the more light-hearted SOL moments in dragon ball as they display really good world-building that the series doesn't often get due to its lack of perspective writing. Daima gives me the hype of early DBZ and late DB for some reason with the whole 'light-hearted 'till the fights roll out' vibe. Also from what I've seen, they probably wont stay children forever and will probably 80% revert back to adults somewhere throughout the series as they beat the main villains. Even if they remain as children right until the final scene, I'll still be hyped as hell because I love Dragon Ball as a series and not just for its big ass, cluster fuck fights (which are still the epitome of anime fight types IMO).
I was absolutely loving what Super was doing, especially with Superhero, Moro and Granolah. They made me actually like Broly so that was nice too (though it’s a different and better character that just shares a legacy name imo), and I also LOVED the growth done to present Trunks and Goten. Trunks being middling with technology and being more disenchanted with helming the family business and Goten being an aloof geek obsessed with all kinds of technology and video games was so cool to me. The antagonistic Trunks played off of the more blunt Goten in such a fun way in that prequel arc. Daima kinda just reverted all of that and imo cuts off progress at the knees. It’s an open secret that Toriyama really only cares for stuff he has a large stake in creating, and his most fun work has to do with Kid Goku, but I think Daima is the result of giving the man too much creative power. You cannot reach an emotional core with literal baby characters, and the toriyama vibe is going to be much more whimsical and aimed at a kid audience. For all of the whining about Super’s more child oriented character jokes and scenes, I feel like we’re gonna get a ton of that in Daima. GT stans love their serious and grungy aesthetics and storytelling, and classic Z fans love their focus on serious action and violence. I have an inkling this might be a “under new management” situation for those that hate Super lol. Overall though, despite me being a pretty big DBS fan, I’ll still check out Daima. I would’ve preferred a Super return obviously but as long as the manga continues to deliver I’ll live, and Daima’s premise seems fun especially if the other cast members actually get to contribute unlike in GT.
@@HighTierHuman219 eh the "I will blow the earth by Fucking BLOATING and anything that move me will explode me" is bullshit plot copy and you know it, only the beginning makes it good mid to end is too much for sane people, imo anyway
@@firdanharbima6997 db villains always do that though? Cell decides to just nuke the planet, Buu actually does it, Frieza tries to do it, Vegeta tries to do it, etc. The word you’re looking for is trope, and that’s not really a flaw whatsoever. Moro is an egomaniac power hungry wizard, if his back’s truly against the wall him trying to just kill everyone in his path is perfectly in line with his character, especially if we consider that the Angel powers he absorbed was actively decaying his mental state. The Moro arc is completely fine and no less good than something like the Buu arc. If you wanna talk plot holes or storybeats that go nowhere, I could rant abt that arc all day lol
@@thedude2604 He's not wrong though. When something has multiple media formats, it becomes a franchise. Super itself has anime, manga, and movies. Like Persona 5. It has Anime, Mnaga, and games, making it it both a franchise of it's own, as well as part of the larger Persona franchise, which itself is part of the SMT franchise, being a spinoff. In the same vein, Super is a franchise of is own and well as part of the larter Dragon Ball franchise.
@@stevenhiggins3055 Persona 5 is part of the persona series of games, which is a branch of the Megami Tensei Franchise. . Super is just part of the DragonBall franchise. Anyways that aside.. my comment was made to suggest that he's a Super only fan and doesn't know what he's talking about. It really wasn't that deep lol
@@thedude2604 Akio Iyoku, one of Dragon Ball's current editors reffered to the Super Anime and manga as ''two lines of Dragon Ball Super''. So yes, Super it's treated as a brand/franchise on its own. The same way ''Dragon Ball Z'' it's still used for merch and games associated to that particular era, despite Dragon Ball being one singular work in the manga.
Sometimes a series needs to go back to its roots. Dragon Ball Z was always 20% adventure/80% episodes of AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH with some fighting mixed in. OG Dragon Ball needed its own version of Kai, and this might just fill that need.
You do realize that first impressions are everything right? That's the point of teasers, if you don't like it that's fine, if you like it that's fine,. don't just ignore peoples. Criticism it makes you seem like a cooperate dog
"Toriyama's still got it" Yeah.... That's a big ass thumbs down from me, buddy. The only thing AT has is brain damage. Super convinced me that he probably never had it in the first place and was always a hack coasting off of other people's better ideas.
Was barely involved in Super but alright. Was a hack but created the most iconic manga series of all time in DB, got it 😂 Go watch another series if you hate the creator that created this franchise. I swear you DB "fans" are cancer
I hate Super with a burning passion for many, many reasons so seeing them veer away from that is so refreshing. Daima already looks so much more interesting than anything super's given me. Now of course this still has to be executed well and I need to see improvements to Toryima's flaws as a writer to truly get excited, but if done right this has the potential to fix alot of problems that have cropped up with Dragonball as a whole since Z ended. From anyone not Goku being sidelined, to the poor handling of Gohan, regressing charachters or making them act purely out of charachter in order to drive the plot , lackluster callbacks purely for fanservice with none of the emotional weight to have it mean something again, transformations feeling hollow and unearned with power levels getting obnoxiously high, causing many contrived plot points for how a hero beats a villian or opponent. I can list them all day but the point is Super sucked just as much as GT and honestly commited alot of the same problems. Something NEEDED to change or dragonball would've fallen far in the public eye. My hope for this is that everyone involved recognizes their faults and are using this as a way to fix them so we can get actual awesome Dragonball Content from an anime tv show. I did love Battle of Gods and I have yet to watch the last two movies so I can't comment if they were good or bad, but the show needs a different direction.
Love the idea and glad we are getting some content. If they just didn't bring anything out all the people who like other anime better wouldn't be mad. We all can't be the SunGod with toon force that stops all physical damage and only hurts the soul lol
Toriyama realized that he was jumping sharks with monster trucks. Probably bored with the power rush. A return to the classic Dragonball-style isn't that bad.
The one that throws me is Piccolo. Okay, so everyone is returned to being a 4 year old....Piccolo as a 4 year old was the villain of the Piccolo Junior arc in Dragon Ball. 4 year old Piccolo looks older than DBS Dende.
I enjoy og dragonball and going back to martial arts (and power pole) along with stakes being not so galactic would make for a fun time and I think thats where Toriyama wants to go to as well as to not have the ever growing goku problem and the escalation fans are so hungry for. Gohan SHOULDVE been the mc since namek cause that wouldve been a nice power reset/rebalance/goal but people complained about goku dying. Overall im hopeful for Daima but I do think that DBS needed to push the anime as the series is always on the edge of tipping it to the real potential it has (like trunks and goten doing something besides fusing)
I see as Diama as a good plan by the creators since it would be better for the manga to have more chapters released before animating it and end up catching up to the recent chapters. This was a problem SAO had where the animation caught up with the manga and had to be delayed due to having to wait for the manga chapters to be released. So I give praise for the DB creators
Super isn't based on the Manga though and it would be better for it to stay that way, so this wouldn't be a concern. I'll probably not bother watching Daima myself but the way I see it this could still be a good thing should Super come back at some point in the future, they could have Super be a bit more aimed towards adults while having Daima be more of a show for kids.
The manga is already two arcs passed where the anime stopped and they're currently adapting the latest movie. If they adapt the Broly movie the way they did Battle of Goda and Return of F, they gives the anime *three whole arcs* before they have to worry about colliding with the manga. Hell, the anime can just do it's own adaptation of Super Hero too, giving them four arcs. Not to mention, most anime these days only do one arc at a time, go on hiatus for a year or two then adapt the next arc. No reason Super can't do that. They can make a season 2 only on the Moro arc, take a break for a year, adapt the Granolah arc as season three, another year long break, Season 4 broly, wait a year, season 5 Super Hero, all while the manga continues to run. Anime fans get their fix, the manga gets to stay ahead so we don't get endless filler.
@@stevenhiggins3055 There wasn't endless filler before and the Anime has always been ahead of the Manga. No reason to start basing the Anime on the Manga now when there was no need for that when it first aired.
im happy nakatsuru is back as character designer. im looking forward to this, cant wait. one of the reason db anime isnt continuing soon is alot of the animators are still doing other projects like one piece, sandman and more. once one piece is near its end, then they ll start
idk for me i'm so happy this got announced. if DBD is gonna finally fix the power creep DBS created, i'm all for it. characters need to think how to solve their problems instead of the "be more powerful" cliché. the characters need to feel weak in order to have stakes in the story. and having them turn to kids will of course dial their powers a lot to the point the risk factor returns. i know DBS did have some risks taken but there's always some bullshit that just removes it, Beerus suddenly not wanting to destroy Earth, Whis turning back time, Hit giving the win to Uni 7, Xeno dealing with Zamasu, and Goku turning ultra instinct like 3 times in 45 minutes tournament + A17 for some reason is alive after self destructing (so he can be the winner). these are literally all the arcs in DBS excluding the movies and manga. and i'm gonna pretend i didnt see the Z fighters go up in power level TREMENDOSLY in a very short time just so they can compete in the Tournament of power. I really miss the DBZ era where if you want to win you need to have sacrifices. in DBS, almost no sacrifices were had and the villains just lost without killing anyone important which is why it lacks character highlights. we don't have Vegita and Crillin's death in Frieza saga highlights, we don't have Nappa killing everyone highlights, we don't have A16's death pushing Gohan to his limits. and we definitely don't have Vegita destroying himself after realizing what he did. while i doubt moments like those will return with DBD (because DB franchise just became much softer especially in the anime) i still think there will be risk factors and the characters will have to think before they just punch their way through any obstacles.
*I’m not a majority of fans I’m just an OG fan of DB. I for one can say (even thought I’ve never seen dickma (or whatever it’s called))it has never got 1 second of my watch time, which is why I clicked this video. I had no idea that dickma had replaced super or whatever this clickbait title says but I’m excited to learn about this “shift” that’s happening in the community. Maybe it’s worth a shot….in the head*
Im very interest in Daima the art looks gorgeous very fluid in 2d. And maybe Toyama will bring something fresh in years. Can be bad or gonna be so good that a new wave of fans are gonna appear
But what will that change? Colors look prettier now? The writing won’t change. This is a problem with the fan base sometimes. Just being satisfied with good animation without taking the storytelling into account. Then again , maybe this is what DB is.
love you and your voice/content! great stuff, this is my first video of yours. I loooove the dragon ball series and enjoy your style of commentary/narration. subbed!
Unpopular opinion: There's a lot of potential in Dragon Ball Daima. And if this turns out to be the death of Super, while still being a good show... I won't be sad. What I want is a Dragon Ball show that shakes up the status quo. And DBS is very much a status quo show. Apart from aging up Goten and Trunks (which only happened recently in the manga... but they were already adult at the end of Z... so aging them up is hardly a step forward) DBS never really furthered the story. It's in essence a mix between a sitcom and a monster of the week show. The monsters just last arcs instead of episodes. And I really enjoyed the DBS anime. But aside from the movies, I don't really need to see it again. Dragon Ball Daima's idea of de-aging the characters sounds weird, yes. But if it means Goku can travel to other realms and fight enemies in OG DB style...? Now THAT sounds more like a shake up of the status quo! Let's just see how this plays out.
Dawg GOOD. Super literally murdered what Dragon Ball was and the message it was trying to send. I hope Daima blows that faux DB out of the water (which won’t be hard, Kakumei comics are better than literally the entirety of Super.)
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No need to be so modest bro 😂
@@CAGExplainsI'm more Modest than her😢
@@haroldnecmann7040nobody cares
@@CAGExplainstoryiama is at his best when hes constrained, he brings the life to stories but the studio/editors make sure fans will enjoy it (usually)
As a long-term Dragon Ball fan seeing the franchise losing it's edge was my biggest fear, but at the same time I always expected something similar to happen because there's something about Toriyama that all fans ignore: he hates drawing action and his true passion is comedy. And I'm not making shit up, he literally said that in a 2014 interview.
**insert picture of Arale-chan waving around a spiral doo-doo on a stick**
It's something I really do hate about him as a creator. Once DBZ went into space, it outgrew him. It became something other than what he was used to, because he just fucks around adding in random plot points _as the story progresses._ He had no plans for a space epic of any kind, and it became a space epic.
He's good at two things. Drawing comic strips, and bullshitting. I do appreciate & enjoy the DB franchise- just not toriyama.
@@magne7771him bsing his way thru dbz is actually what makes dbz as iconic as it is. Watch totally not mark dbz review, he break it down there.
@@magne7771that’s how all of his stories are
@@magne7771 It's called garden style writing. Planting the seeds and seeing what it grows into with less direction than a planner style of writing. It's highly common and makes a bunch of good stories, but yes it can get away from you if you let it grow out of control.
I think Toriyama misses the way things used to be during the early Dragon Ball days before it got darker and full of transformations. That, and he doesn’t have his original editors to interfere with his original ideas, some of which made changes for the best, especially during the Cell Saga.
Nothing happens the same way twice and nostalgia can only satisfy fans for so long. But all that being said, I’m just hoping Daima can bring SOMETHING new to the table and at the very least be a lot better than how GT turned out. On the bright side, at least the anime will have more than enough content to adapt whenever they get back to doing Super.
What’s wrong with gt
During Cell arc? Are you kidding? Retconning your main villain in the middle of the arc (trice, no less) is not a good thing. It doesn't make Cell arc better, in fact it's the opposite.
@@kindlingking it's a risky play but it's lucky Toriyama and the editor managed to make it work in the end.
@@kindlingking It was a lot, but I'm glad we got Cell. No doubt 19 and 20 would've been great, but man, Cell is pretty sweet. I'm glad with the way it turned out. You never know how it'd turn out if he had his old editors but I like to think Super and maybe the direction would be better if so. I'd LIKE to THINK.
@@joaocbcneto well, "work" - it's still an arc that keeps jumping from one narrative/villain to the other without properly exploring either (like wouldn't it be interesting to learn more about Gero and his motivation? Or develop androids as characters more? Or go full in with Cell being a horror movie monster instead of turning him into a budget Frieza?), has lots of absurdities (senzu bean moment is the most famous one) and plot holes (the whole time travel thing) and introduces transformation creep, something that keeps plaguing Dragon Ball to this day. It's also super lazy in signature Toriyama style. Oh, I need a training arc in the middle of a villain goose chase? Bam, here's a magical room with distorted time flow that could've been very useful in previous arcs, bur of course only the current threat is dangerous enough. Wrote myself into a corner by twice by giving Cell too clear of a weakness? No problem, actually he can move his core within his body and can just zenkai into his perfect form without absorbing both artificial humans, from a self-destruction mind you. At least Goku realises what a terrible and oblivious father he was for Gohan throughout this arc. That's a highlight.
Most dragon ball super fans haven't seen og dragon ball 😭
Most dragon Ball fans in general haven’t seen OG dragon Ball💀
it’s so common TFS made fun of it.
That's a bigger problem then most people will admit
It's so disappointing people skip the best part of the entire series 😢
That's what's baffling about kid-focused DBZ content. Are kids today even picking up dragon ball? Everyone who grew up watching the show is at least 30 now.
It's so sad considering imo og is a lot better
I think the most frustrating thing is that Super started off a bit of a miss, but the tournament of power arc seemed to bring a lot of people back, and following that it seemed the DBSuper Manga started to really pick up too. I would be very disappointed if we never get to see Moro or "Ultra Ego" visualised on screen. It feels like Daima is for a complete difference audience or perhaps a new one.
we're never going to see anything interesting in the manga again at this rate. its honestly hard to believe they would make the creative choice to spend a YEAR lazily retelling the spinoff movie that JUST came out, while Broly got a one or two page spread and a blurb.
It's because they have no idea what to do like they keep redoing character arcs 😂
Dbs manga is insanely bad, Granolah and Moro arcs are the worst dragon ball fiction I've ever seen, any fan manga is better. Quick reminder - fat buu in moro arc got ssj blue power level from sleeping. Yeah, fat buu, the weak fragment of the original fat buu, who was weaker than ssj3 Goku in Z just got a whole anime season worth of power boost. And it wasn't some divine power or something like that, he just slept, awakening the guy, who got killed by kid buu.
Dbs manga is insanely bad, Granolah and Moro arcs are the worst dragon ball fiction I've ever seen, any fan manga is better. Quick reminder - fat buu in moro arc got ssj blue power level from sleeping. Yeah, fat buu, the weak fragment of the original fat buu, who was weaker than ssj3 Goku in Z just got a whole anime season worth of power boost. And it wasn't some divine power or something like that, he just slept, awakening the guy, who got killed by kid buu.
I still hate super till this day
Super Fans: YOU HATE SUPER BECAUSE YOURE BLINDED BY NOSTALGIA!
Also Super Fans: OMG! THEY BROUGHT FRIEZA BACK!!! TRUNKS IS BACK TO WARN THEM ABOUT THE FUTURE AGAIN!!! OMFG ITS CELL VS GOHAN AGAIN!!! YAAAAAS!
What are "super fans's" reasons for saying super is better than what came before?
@@Alienrun usually amounts to “better transformations” and in some cases “better story and animation”
@@djn6962 I have to wonder how anyone thinks SSGSS (ssj blue) is a good transformation...its literately just ssj1 but worse in practically every single way!
@@Alienruntotally agreed. Super is literally just pallet swap after pallet swap. Literally no creativity is put into new form designs…
@@Alienrun bro chill we get you don't like dbs but people just like dbs
The biggest problem Super has is it's fast paced story style. Concepts get introduced, and they quickly just gun for the ending without really doing the proper legwork. The greatest examples of that are the TOP and UI transformation.
The TOP was cool, but it suffered major problems like who are most of these guys? The TOP should have been the grand finale to Super after many arcs of build up exploring the other universes. Since we didn't do that its just mindless action most of the time, which is fun but not really much else. We also have the consequence of just killing almost everything BOG introduced. Like how many of you guys honestly want to see an arc in Universe 2? Probably not a lot of you.
Then, with UI, I think it's pretty obvious. After Goku got it in the TOP, the next few arcs should be about Goku trying to achieve it again, learning and growing slowly until the big "Aha" moment somewhere down the road. Again because we didn't do that, now we have a situation where Goku is just too strong for the story. At the end of the Morro arc Goku was supposed to have a more stable UI than he did before yet somehow in the beginning of the Granolah arc he suddenly has all these problems that were never called up before.
Super has a lot of potential left but I think they threw a lot of it away. The biggest case in point is the fact that the most hype thing it has going for it is a Z villan thats returned like 3 times already in canon. The even bigger case in point is the nostalgia fest Super is now.
Honestly I disagree, last thing Super needed was a slower pace, and when you consider that a lot of the ToP contestants were just skipped over In the manga, it could of been a little more boring in that aspect
@@doodguytheblank2403 Also how many times have we memed about Goku taking 100 episodes to launch a Kamehameha in Z? Z was pretty bloated, we all know it and we saw it as an issue that Super kinda fixed but now people are nostalgic towards how long Z was when it was just painfully slow... Specially for the Japanese audience. Imagine having to wait like almost half a year for the Goku and Frieza fight to end.
@@diegomedina9637 Bad story pacing and having patted out fights are two very different things.
@@hatefulgaming1800 Yeah whatever Z Tard. If you haven't seen the series aside from Z then whatever your dumb opinions are won't matter.
I hate the nostalgia bait so goddamn much, Golden Freeza, Future Trunks, Blue Vegito, Broly, Bardock and most recently Cell Max, Gohan Blanco and... Freeza again...but now Black. But the worst part is, its a working formula and been extremely successful, so I cant fault Toei at all. They're making their money.
Even people that are critical of Super are eating that shit up and are begging for characters like Cooler and Janemna and its like we just cant move forward. Such a shame, so many new concepts could be explored but looks like it aint gonna happen
Toriyama doesn't even remember the color of Trunks's hair.
Yeah, I LOLd really hard when he said Toriyama is the most knowledgeable person about Dragon Ball.
Toriyama is well known for not caring all that much about it, never bothering to re-read his older stuff, and regularly forgetting details leading to plot holes or contradictions (or inessential but beloved side characters never ever being mentioned again, like Launch).
I believe with near-100% confidence that even the most casual of fans has more accurate factual knowledge about the lore and details of the story than Toriyama himself does.
Going 'well he's the author, he knows best' might seem intuitive and probably correct for most media, but in this situation it's just denying widely known reality, lmao.
I always complain that Toriyama (or Shueisha, or whoever is the ultimate owner of the IP) should just hire a fan or two to fact-check every new thing that he, the Toei writers, Toyotarou, or even video game writers come up with. Someone whose long-term investment in this fictional world can be safely assumed to be purely based on how much they genuinely love it, without any additional financial incentive like for anyone that directly profits from new Dragon Ball media being released.
The manga is black and white. He draws the manga. Lol😂
@@spadedust24 Mangas have color pages.
@@spadedust24 The covers are in colour, and there's of course promotional art that shows the characters' colours, and even full-colour reprints for some popular series. Bulma and Trunks have always had purple hair in the manga pre-Super, just like the pink segments on Piccolo's arm have always been yellow, and Karin (the talking white cat from the tower) always blue. Same with Dragon Ball Online and a couple other video games based on the manga rather than the anime
@TheFinalChapters Trunks has the same hair color as Bulma. Her hair color went from blue to purple, now back to blue, which is why Trunks is.
Had the manga not continue with the 2 new arcs and stopped where the anime did, I think hate for Daima wouldn't be as bad, because waiting and anticipating how Moro will be like, seeing Ultra Ego Vegeta and even for just 5 minutes seeing Black Freeza was something that everyone would've gotten hyped for. Daima just comes off as a strong backhand to the fans that were patiently waiting for the anime while keeping taps on the manga.
Heck Daima should have come out during the Moro and Granola arcs
@@roxtechs That would have been fine too. Super Dragon Ball Heroes was active still while the manga continued, albeit internet released episodes.
@@roxtechsyea, but then you had to factor in toei animation being more focused on other projects, and had to find the best schedules for them to make daima.
@pieguy7 I totally agree with you bro the timing of this shit is so dumb we the real dragon ball fans have been waiting for an anime for over 5 years and yet instead of giving us a mini series of the entire Moro arc with this animation would have been awesome instead you go backwards and do this dogshit gt worst part was making Goku a kid so why go with it this anime is going to force fans too wait until 2026 until dragon ball super comes back or at least we get a new movie Damn!!!!!!
Wouldn’t be surprised if the creator did it on purpose as he is tired of fans complaining
The main problem with GT was turning Goku into a child. And they are making it again....
GT had MANY more problems beyond Goku becoming a kid again
Bro, you are giving Toriyama too much credit. He is notorious for forgetting Dragon Ball facts, details, appearances, plot, and characters. He even said in an interview about his work on Battle of Gods that he forgot what Super Saiyan 3 was.
De-aging everyone was not a great choice, just when Trunks and Goten were actually aging too.
I think Toriyama's out of his mind, but I'll wait and see.
Tbh, i will never understand why ppl dont like the deaging part
But to each their own
I would have some hype if it wasn't for the de-aging. Toriyama aged up the cast so fight scenes could be better and to symbolise progress... this is the opposite. But yeah when this releases next year it's gonna be... interesting to say the least 🤔
Toriyama is a fool and should retire. Dragonball needs competent writers.
I think it would have been funny to de-age everyone except Pan, Trunks and Goten.
Toriyama smoking the highest reggie
No one knows Dragon Ball quite like its original creator? Toriyama forgets about the existence of characters entirely, and even forgets names. He once forgot who Piccolo was in an interview and got Yamcha and Radditz mixed up. It is confirmed he made a lot of stuff up as he went along, leading to infamous continuity errors like Cell regenerating from having his entire upper body blown off and then later saying he can regenerate only if the nucleus in his head survives.
So he's not allowed to forget about certain characters or mix up names periodically? You do realize bro is dam near 70 right? DB also isn't his only series and isn't deeply involved in DB like he was when he was writing/drawing it back in the day.. Also Akira making up things as he goes was literally his strong suit which gave us classic arcs in DBZ so I don't think anyone's complaining especially when people say Cell Saga is one of the best arcs of the franchise. He literally made Super Saiyan because it was more convenient to draw and didn't want to shade in hair. Akira was never a conventional writer.
Exactly, I think without fear of being wrong that fans know more about dragon ball than toriyama nowadays
@@WizG.rider of the meat
@@lunarluxe9832but he is right
Just like how you dickride Mid Super@@lunarluxe9832
I hope the continuity of everything is made clear. That's my biggest gripe with modern Dragon Ball. Say clearly where Daima is on the timeline and then either do a Super 2 and make clear that the order is Broly->Moro->Granaloh->Super Hero or just don't bother with it at all because the lack of one continuity creates a headache.
Continuity in db has been shafted for years now
Whoever writes the script genuinely dont care then and they wont care now💀
Bro the dragon timeline is all messed up 😂
They are trying to fit everything between the 10 year Z timeskip
Like imagine in a decade or something someone who’s never seen dragon ball and knows nothing about it is about to Finally finish Z
But he notices there’s a timeskip with stuff in between to watch in order
Bro would have to watch the entirety of super, super 2, diama, just to finish that last episode of Z😂
Bro
It sounds like it’s set after Buu, but before Battle of Gods
They're never doing Super 2. Dragon Ball Super is dead.
Daimas probrably in the middle of Granola and Moro.
We have been waiting years and years for Trunks and Goten to age and most of us who saw Super Hero were very excited to see some of that present. And now we have GT 2.0 instead of a solid continuation off of where Super Hero left off. I just really question the direction of this franchise sometimes. The highs are high and the lows are low.
We've been waiting YEARS for uub too. We will wait several more years for Jiren to return.
It's wild how the series just jumps timelines over and over again.
Toriyama is running out of time to he's not gonna live forever. Once he dies, and the story that he will write will be animated. I feel that dragon ball will fall off and we will never really see a good ending. I hope he finishes this series before he goes and puts it to rest.
i was really hoping that goten and trunks were gonna do something this time around rather end up like their gt counterparts
So what, they're still grown up in the manga. 😂
@@electronicuk1639 well this aged like i guess
The storytelling in OG Dragonball was so much more grounded and character based. No matter how many powerups and interesting villains Super had, it just felt like shallow action and fanservice. I completely welcome any attempt to shake up the formula.
90% of the DB fanbase is literally only on board for the fighting. Doesn't need emotion for many, just a lot of flare and growth power. Its truly sad.
@@cory6640 I love the fighting. I think for many that is what got them into the series to begin with, such as myself. 25yo, grew up watching Z. However the story drove the action, which WAS the fights, so I dunno. I for one thought Super was OK, but Z was my favorite. People have different points of entry you know?
DB story always been kinda odd and sometimes nonsensical with their storyline, but I feel like Z had a good story, some stuff actually made sense story-wise and character-wise. Super, I don't know... I used to love Goku but not so much now
Thats how I feel about Super, it lacked actual story, and narrative like Goku learning more about being a martial artist. Super just felt like a shallow run of the mill Dragonball Z series extension with transformations just being thrown in left and right with no meaning, or weight to them. A lot of things people complained about that made Super less impactful to Z, within none of the arcs being memorable beyond the fights. So if Toriyama is doing this, his way then I hope its better to prove what Super was missing.
Just remake the og series with Z and Super in mind. Seeing Kid Vegeta in DB as a cameo was a staple in fanart. Having it happen would've been amazing, a true call to the lore of 40 years.
Original was made on a shoestring budget and much more of an action adventure series . The Anniversary movie was better than entire OG dragon ball.
Fighting was due to kung fu and other martial arts were having a HUGE boost of popularity worldwide and series was greenlit to capitalize on it.
Sorry Guys, but regardless of the quality of the art, animation, and such, I am not at all interested in "Everyone gets turned into Children". They can never sell this idea to me, and we must remember, you are never the only one who thinks or feels something. If you tried to tell me that the majority of Dragon Ball fans always wanted to see everyone get turned into Children or that they think everyone getting turned into Children is a great next step for the story, I'd say they were lying and that anyone who said either of those things were just coping and trying to prove they are more loyal in a "holier than thou" way.
Thank you for finally saying the truth
If they wanted to do something like turning everyone into kids they could’ve just made a new show at that point with new characters with the help of Toriyama. Btw How are they gonna do fan service for the Coomers if they’re all kids😂
lol stop crying also they're not gonna stay kids in the entirety of the show
Agreed in no reality would I prefer to go backwards into something I’m familiar with in opposed to delving into something completely unique and new. I’ve been watching DB since the 80’s time for some new and interesting villains and subplots..I would’ve even preferred another TOP…
Bruh what. I’m super excited for this. It’s not “getting turned to kids” that ppl have been wanting, it’s the new character interactions that we’ll be getting from it, like Goku working with shin and getting his power pole back, to name a few
Personally if they were going to do a GT-esqe show i would have rather had them do an adventure series where Pan is like 8 and Goten, Trunks and Uub are taking care of her while exploring the universe.
That way young Pan could give us the goofy moments Kid Goku had and we wouldn't have a ridiculous power creep. Also keeping in line with the passing of the torch themes.
Goku would essentially be a "Master" type character like Roshi, Kami, Korin or King Kai but in his own way.
Usually, but not always, when I grab the manga/watch tne anime I can be more-or-less sure that I'll experience complete story with understandable canon. And that's great, because not only it is easier toget into a series like this, but also a series that respects its own canon is less likely to make writing blunders and so on, and so on. But with modern Dragon Ball, I am convinced that quite literally nothing matters in there anymore. Daima will most likely be no different, regardless of how much Toriyama will have fun with it.
Yeah once you kill the canon the franchise dies soon after. That's a mistake both modern Star Wars and post Infinity War MCU have been making a lot. Once I learned that Ultra Instinct doesn't even exist in the movie continuity, I tuned out.
@@Yodah97 yeah as soon as I learned that I was like “😑”
Canon is a western concept and is something that was NEVER prioritized in Japan as opposed to Western comics. Dragon Ball has multiple continuities with the original DB manga being the main storyline/continuity and Super being a sequel to that as the anime adaption is its own continuity but still canon. It's not that hard to follow what's "canon" or what isn't. Also since when was UI not apart of the movie continuities. What are you talking about? Every movie prior to Battle of Gods is canon and in the latest movie T.O.P was literally referenced so UI definitely exists.@@Yodah97
@@WizG. The funny thing is, I agree. In that canon is mainly western concept. But the ironic thing is, mangas are often still sticking to it more often than mainstream western comics. Seriously, when I grab the manga, I ustally have the story as it meant to be told. I don't have to dealt with shitload of continuities, multiverses that encourage lazy writing and other stuff like that. Dragon Ball, while being a japanese story is becoming more and more like a western one. And its not good.
@@WizG. This channel has a video about that. The Tournament of Power is canon. Jiren is canon. Ultra Instinct as a new form with white hair is not canon to the movies. Or more importantly, it doesn't seem to be canon for Toryama, since he writes the movies. Black Frieza and Ultra Ego are most likely not canon to him either.
BIG CORRECTION; it is Dragonball Super Season 7 not 2.......we had 6 seasons of Dragonball Super and it is DONE...COMPLETED now we need to move on
Good riddance
My theory. This is gonna be Masako Nozawas last time as Goku, and Yes I do believe that super is coming back, but I think the next big part of the story in super will happen. They just don’t want the situation that Goku dies in the middle of the production. So Toriyama is writing something he’s passionate about because he wanted the last performance of The legendary actress to be his story. She’s 87 and it would make sense considering how many actors we lost in the last 7 years.
I don’t know people get pretty old in Japan. She could even become 110. You never know. I don’t think they’re waiting for that. Personally without Masako Nozawa there is no Goku for me.
So your theory is that daima was created because they didn't want the voici actress to die during the second season of super ? I'm sorry this is hilarous
Daima is being created celebrate the 40th anniversary of the franchise. And No it’s not replacing super. The next chapter of the anime will happen it will just take time
To be honest with you I wasn't the best fan of Dragon Ball super But now that the anime is gone I kind of really respect and value it no matter how wonky it got sometimes. Because believe it or not we are grown adults that still love the series and can show our kids the series as well.
Understandable but my 8 year old doesn't want to see everyone turned to kids after he watched GT and owns the whole series..
I really disliked GT, but I also thought the best thing about it was Goku being a kid again.
Daima is the reboot DB needed. DBS was going downhill fast with nothing to show for it but recycled plots and bs power ups
Basically you hated it when you had it but now that its been killed off you want it back... God people online are kinda dumb.
Super is just pure trash. A lot of the roots that were grown throughout the series were just thrown out the door to compete with new anime’s. Db doesn’t need that. The only decent thing about super was the zamasu arc. It at least felt like Z
People said they want akira to be back in the franchise now he is lol.
Yeah but not taking the story backwards, everything “new” that we’ve gotten has been before the end of Z so the story is stuck not going forward.
Expectations are low, especially after Super.
I don't blame you at all! 😂
What do you guys want exactly? Whether it's Daima or Super, you'll complain anyway. 😂
@@j04370859 If it’s bad we’ll complain, we are tired of mediocrity.
@@j04370859 dragon ball z 2. make super non-canon and continue from where the last episode of z ended.
@@j04370859 something actually good
RIP KING
I still don’t know how to feel about Daima, I was waiting on that Dragon Ball Super Season 2 to be announced. But the creator has a lot of high hopes for it so it might not be too bad. Though my expectations for this is very low.
Something to also note is that the Japanese have the Japanese audience as their main priority, so unless you’re writing/speaking in Japanese, you’re complaining to the void
Yeah
I mean a tiny RUclips channel can only reach so far. But don't underestimate how much Toei values foreigners. The overseas market is a huge source of revenue, particularly for theatrical releases. And money talks.
That said, Daima as an all-star team producing an celebratory anime for the 40th year anniversary of the series... yeah, their focus is 1000% on the Japanese audience for that one. And on OG Dragon Ball Fans who liked Goku better before he went blonde.
Nnnnnope. I've see Japanese poeple complain too. Not everyone likes pointless repetition
@@falconeshield how does that change what I said? If you don’t complain in Japanese they don’t listen to you, plain and simple
@@falconeshield Lol, there was one fan manga I was reading on Pixiv where the writer/illustrator specifically said “Goku is not an idiot in this.”
I respect Daima for what it is, but for however long that Daima runs for ensures that dragon ball super won't get animated. If I remember correctly, that also means that none of the characters in post TOP arcs can appear in games because I believe there's a clause where no character can appear in a game until it has been animated. The problem was that what people were hoping for was completely steamrolled by something nobody asked for.
Yep, another reason to hate this garbage, thank you!
Except for Supers next arc was announced about same time , Broly arc with a bigger budget for animation. Don't know how all these people covering Daima missed the Super info
I mean lets be honest, this is all because toriyama wants to make Daima. Im guessing that was the only project he was willing to work on (refusing super season2) so they gave him permission to make daima so they can at least sell SOMETHING dragonball. Honestly this looks like the end of DB/Z/S to me
@@DarkepyonXim gonna need a source on the claim super season 2 was announced. Just searched and no solid results. There are *rumors* and "leaks" that sesson 2 will come out in 2023, but its almost november 2023 and still no official confirmation.
Nah if they make a Dragonball series like the first show, they should use Pan as the new protagonist. The first Dragonball show was great because it was not always about strength and power. Goku had to be outsmart a lot of his opponents. The new shows are all power level fights. A smart and powerful enemy, or an enemy with a unique and sinister ability is better than "new color power".
Good idea bro, it would be cool to see the effects of Goku and Vegeta battling far away from their Families and friends
Remaking Pan as the new protag would've been a great idea. But Japan hates women.
Uhh so you mean like (earlier segments of) Dragonball GT.
gonna watch it soon@@nakimushi11
Eh, Pan is just a diet Goku, so you might as well have the real Goku.
He did. RIP Toriyama 💔
Thanks for being real and honest about the current state of dragon ball unlike other channels
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Super was never good
@@rudkomontana2618 Dragon Ball Z was on a downward spiral by the Buu arc. People only remember it fondly because they only remember SSJ3, mystic Gohan and Buu in isolation. Kinda like how you can love Super by only remembering the hype stuff like UI and Goku Black.
@@ekki1993 I dropped Super after a few episodes, I couldn't stand it. It should have stayed finished after Buu, or if anything, continued with the Uub story. Dragon Ball is good, and I love the original, but man, forcing a continuation like with Super just gives me a bad taste in my mouth.
@@ekki1993As piccolo said at the end of the cell saga in tfs, "You peaked"
What's weird to me is that despite the fact Toyotaru has been blessed by Toryama to be his spiritual successor when it comes to manga, this new series completely ignores most recent manga arcs and turns everyone back into children (rip teenage Trunks and Goten ig). I don't like it, and I don't understand why people are defending it.
It ignores the most recent arcs because it’s supposed to be happening before them. During the 4-year period between the end of Z (not including Uub) and the start of super.
Toyotaros best work was his fan manga of AF. Which will never be canon.
Yeah but it's asinine if you think about it for a moment, unless they want to give Toyotaru time to draw some more manga but still
whats AF?@@HectorGarfria
People are defending it because they have read the manga, the next two arcs would suck ass unless heavily changed with Granola making even the worst GT arcs look like the Frieza Saga. Daima could be interesting and those who like original dragon ball (mainly the Japanese audience, something everyone seems to ignore) are finally getting something that might bring back that experience, and at the cost of what? Waiting a few more years for DBS 2, so it can adapt two bad arcs that would diminish the significance of things like MUI which the broader fanbase still holds in high regard because they only watch the anime.
Dragonball peak was from Og DB till the end of the Namek Saga. This was when Toriyama just couldn't care anymore. This is why the Cell saga and Buu saga dropped in writing level.
@Forzyyy_Cell saga was nice but too many plotholes
Cell saga had an absolutely amazing villain. Cell just fucken fantastic very creepy very sneaky and intelligent at the beginning and wish got more love and time into writing. I love buu saga in many ways but for sure massive drop, I love how it has much comedy mix in but they really fail in much of the execution and same with buu. Buu himself is an amazing character and concept with very unique pure evil being of chaos that really throws a wrench compared to every other villain but could have had more horror moments or serious moments like giving goten and trucks maybe even giving gohan the win would have been great change if pace. Think team four star did great idea of showing a horrific part of buu that seems genuinely possible of having buu spawn mouths on his body sounding like gohan friends and family suffering, in pain, or scared beyond belief and it just gives absolute amazing idea of psychological horror along with chaotic evil that buu is. Could have been so much more but of course just doesn’t care anymore and lot much of what made of dragon ball great even what made sayian saga too namek saga great
Yet both of those arcs were considered iconic, funny how that works
@@WizG. People were stoopid. And very easy to please.
@@asdergold1 Just like you 🤣
As someone who has been a fan of Toriyama for 30 years, Toriyama was never an action writer, but rather a comedy/slice of life writer. It was no coincidence Dr. Slump was his first hit manga, he treats it like his first born child, and always comes back to the silliness of it, even with his more serious series. Fans of DBZ on the other hand, have a different image in their head, they like the edgy out of this world power scaling aspect of it, not the grounded yet sometimes absurd humor Toriyama brings like Arale breaking the planet in half multiple times, and the next minute everything is back to normal while the sun is wearing sunglasses. Daima with Toriyama in the lead, will not be what the fans want, but it will be Toriyama wet project, a project he's been dreaming about ever since GT and Super went in different directions.
Freezer saga, cell saga and buu saga are very serious in Dragon Ball. In cell freezer and cell saga you have 0 element of comedy. toriyama has always been good at seriousness when he is supervised by torishima his editor. the problem with dbs and daima is that it's only a bad comedy without the serious aspect of dragon ball and above all torishima doesn't supervise dbs like he supervised dragon ball
The reason Toriyama was able to get away with replacing Super is because the reception for Super has always been mixed and because it's half-baked if it were as well received as Z it wouldn't have happened
Honesty.... why did Dragon Ball fans like Moro's and Granola's arc?
Honestly because we were complacent I have been a dragon ball follower for a long while now and I'm seriously disappointed I just started to watch other anime's and I'm actually having fun now
I liked it as even though there were glaring issues the way they were paces and overall handled was a step up from the other arcs (goku black excluded). There are still big issues with some of the main points, but I just think it shows that the next few arcs to come after this super hero retelling have the potential to be really good.
Why did ppl like dbz? It has has no fucking story an mc that ppl cant even understand and vegeta, the most overrated character in shounen, he went from villain to anti hero to hero and people are like "OMG CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT EJEIEJJ) mid anime overall, newer anime neg.
Did DB fans like it?
I was just hyped for non-saiyans to actually do things for Moro arc.
The hate for this is ridiculously unnecessarily and stupid. This will be better than any continuation was Super. Most the same people who are hating on this, are the same people who said they where sick of Super and its formula, and they where sick of characters not being treat right, and sick of plot holes and inconsistent animation, and sick of the jarring differences between the manga and anime making the canon confusing. This will be a nice change of pace for once, something fun and something most importantly different. Super's formula was getting stale (minus the movies), after this it when Super does drop itll make it that much more exciting and worthwhile. This series will be great, but most of you probably wont give it a chance anyway because it isnt exactly what you wanted (which is apparently more Super despite the hate Super got when it was coming out).
It seems like a bad idea for Dragon Ball series to go this route with the Daima anime since there's a lot of hype surrounding DB Super and I believe letting go of that moment might cause issues in the future especially if Daima is received mixed or poorly with fans.
As a wise man once said“There is nothing we can do”- Napoleon Bonaparte 😢
People are gonna watch anything Dragon ball related, it's too big to fail at this point.
@@hatefulgaming1800Honestly considering I've went through the drought of nothing between 2000 and 2012 (there was the special episode of 2008 and Cross Epoch and that's it) DB fans post 2013 are spoiled. Not to mention without DBA general interest towards the franchise wouldn't have been as big as it was.
@@hatefulgaming1800it will fail
@@hatefulgaming1800that wasnt the case for GT, and that was centered around just goku being turned into a child
We are still getting dbs season 2, it is coming out after the prequel arc to super is done. Also Daima is a single season celebration season taking place between dragon ball z and dragon ball super.
Thing is, we already had De-Aging happen, and it was icky and creepy. Ending up with a 35+ year old woman turning into a kid, turning into Trunk's young crush and later main romantic interest (when mentally she's probably, what, 70 to his 18-21?)
I mean GT already had a de-aged Goku, which in my opinion ultimately worked alright, because fans have already seen Kid Goku back in original Dragon Ball, so in a way it was bringing back a familiar character, on top of giving him an absolutely busted powerup by having him age into adulthood for a second time. Super had a de-aged Pilaf Gang as an "inversion" of GT, but this time it was difficult to digest because we never saw them as kids/teens before. It's creepy but at least it was the Pilaf Gang which have become secondary comedic characters. The whole main cast on the other hand though... That's just far too weird
"Its Moro-ver" "Its Grano-ver" "Its Ultra Ego-ver"
It's Gasover
Honestly if this has dope action without any lame transformations I’ll be okay with it. I’m way in the minority but I’m so tired of all these boring transformations just give me classic OG Dragon Ball martial arts
I’d love a mix of both.
personally even if i'm not a big fan of daima's concept i hope kaioken gets some use
@@zzzarkkafucken wish that was possible
Honestly it's better than what's going on with most western media franchises, tet it's still without it's flaws.
Mission impossible John wick are way better z
Daima isn’t better than invincible. It’s soulless cash grab garbage just like dbs
@@Chiefteeth1It’s pretty much better animation + Toriyama + Money = Daima
@Chiefteeth1 Hard disagree on this one and I didn't like the announcement originally.
I think jumping into a season 2 right now would be too soon, considering we have only 3-ish arcs to look forward to, which are smaller than most Z arcs. Unless we want Filler to consume our Anime (which isn’t so bad imo), we should wait until the manga hits the End of Z point.
The manga isn't the source material for the anime. Both were being made at the same time following Toryama's notes. The manga was only made to promote the anime (don't ask me how that works, I don't get it either). But this means there is no need to give the manga room to advance before starting Season 2. Season 1 was written and produced without using the manga as a guide.
This also means that the anime might skip the Moro and Granola arcs entirely. Seems unlikely to me, but they could do it. Especially if the manga gets cancelled.
@@Yodah97yugioh after dm has manga promoting the anime, generally they have a different story but similar elements like zexal numbers or gx school
I believe Dragonball daima is created as the 40th anniversary of the franchise.
After that, there is still much room to resume with DBS.
Should have just worked on DBS, it'd be done and possibly even have the dub ready to simulcast, instead of making us wait a year. This looks garbage, animation and all.
@@thedarkdragon89I think the animation looks great. Why be predisposed to hate something that hasn’t even released yet?
I was hoping we would get a new story focusing on Goten, Trunks, Uub and Pan since toriyama has been hyping them up as the “ Next Generation of Z Fighters “ for years now. But all we get is another Goku and Vegeta Show but as Babies now lol 😂😂.
Man i would LOVE that. Superhero proved we can have awesome films without goku and vegeta getting all the focus. it'd be great
Naw it’s the fans that been hyping them up for years lol. Goten and Trunks were clearly made to be jokes cause they aren’t even relevant in super. Then there’s Uub in Pan who seem like characters he wishes to end the series with
We don't even know if Vegeta'll have a major role in Daima. The trailer suggests it'll be the Goku and Shin show. lol
@@weridplusho because EVERY dragon ball fan was like "we need more shin in our lives"
@@weridplusho Right we don’t have nearly enough information. Cause in the description the show was being described with Goku and Shin along with two other companions
you've become my favorite dragon ball youtuber because you are just fucking real with it man, I tried saying these kind of things on the dragon ball subreddit and just get dogpiled on by fanboys. thanks for using your platform to tell it like it is
This show split the fan base more then gt did in 25 years 😂
But everyone loved Super Saiyan 4
The rest of the Super manga will eventually get made into anime as long as Dragon Ball remains popular.
But the franchise does need some time away from endless transformations.
I would have preferred a series on universe 6 with cabba as the main character where we meet the king of saiyans of universe 6 and even interaction between him and vegeta( as vegeta promised to do) or maybe even a fight. An interaction between Broly and Kale would've even been possible as well and wanted by a lot of fans...
cabba 🤢 🤮
Lmao
@@deluxillo Cabba is essentially like the young version of Goku/Gohan you guys are slow af.
fuck no
Universe 6 Saiyans 👎👎
I'm so glad somebody knows how anime seasons work.
I want you to know that people like me exist; I would have preferred Gohan as the great saiyaman and his antics be the future of dragon ball. Sometimes by being too picky, you end up with something worse and half assed. And I believe that’s what we got. Great saiyaman wasn’t given a chance, and it’s fine that it was different. The Jojo parts don’t just stay the same even in tone and theme, do they? Just some food for thought. Needless to say, I am completely confident if Toriyama’s creative vision remains uninterrupted that dragon ball daima will be the greatest, funniest installation of dragon ball since the *Namek saga.*
Bro this man wanted dr gero to kill super saiyan goku. If you leave him uninterrupted he will destroy everything you love about the series. But we shall see.
@@nitishbenie3813 Toriyama did not plan for that. In the original timeline similar events happen, but Goku likely dies to the heart virus for whatever reason. Toriyama has Goku take medicine which trunks gives him at the beginning of the arc. Even if a sick and tired Goku died to that android, would that not make for a compelling story? And who are you to question the writing abilities of Toriyama. I’m glad I boxed, because I learned respect for those better than me at a skill even if I disagreed on their methods personally. That doesn’t mean the method is entirely wrong, and it can lead to a better end. I think Toriyama should be criticized for his shortcomings, but that’s not what I’ve seen. All I’ve seen in this community is a complete disrespect for Toriyama’s writing abilities as if he didn’t invent dragon ball. Would you question Mike Tyson’s fighting methods before the fight is over? For example. I remember seeing someone say Toriyama is bad at fight choreography. What a joke. That’s like saying Einstein is bad at math.
Cope. This will be the magnum opus of shit. Even worse than that pathetic super hero movie.
I would have preferred gohan as great saiyaman if it meant toriyama didnt lose his passion for dragon ball. Seems like he is just done with super
@@scrumtJesus, stop licking toriyama's balls bro 💀💀
As much as I respect Toriyama's vision and his skill and all, genuinely all I want is Moro animated and then I'll literally never complain about dragon ball again, I know how good it would be especially now with the current staff and everyone would like it, plus even if we don't get granolah it would still be a pretty cool spot for dbs to end on with UI fully mastered.
They need to add more arcs if they want to do super again and super is really messy anyway so I’d rather seem this new series
I'm more than happy to give Daima its fair shot. The fact that the man is putting so much effort into it says to me that he wants to return to the days of OG dragon ball and I am definitely going to let him. Super had its hype moments, sure, but that's all they ever really were. Moments. Super Hero has been my favourite dragon ball anything that I've seen in several years now and not even because of the fights. I can barely recall anything from the UI reveal episode but I'll never forget Piccolo holding a phone like an old man, sneaking around a base in disguise, how upbeat the vibe was, and the humor throughout it so if Daima can give me that, as you said, let the man cook
Smh
My thing with toriyama is that yes he has had success where without him manga and anime would likely have struggled but more but much like what happened with spielberg, Lucas, and Cameron if you allow the success to go to their heads they begin to lose sight of what made them successful in the first place. The talent is still there of course especially for toriyama and Cameron but their attitudes especially in your description of toriyama just shows he really doesn't know how to be humble or understand he needs to keep a focus.
I personally don't like it toei could just as easily do dragon ball 2 with the same quality as one piece but toei dose play favorites.
they legally can’t
@@d1.KT1? I'm a little confused mind explaining
But i don't really hate it 😭
I am happy to see so many good animators. I only hope to see my favorite, Naotoshi Shida
If you are a fan of GT/DragonBall that is the target audience if you are a fan of Z/Super you gonna have to wait
More like if you're a fan of Z/Super you're done. Almost no chance we ever get super season 2 if we are getting this daima show and still 0 confirmation on a season 2.
You're my favourite RUclipsr bro, banger video yet again 🔥🙌🏿
Why do people call it season 2 when there have been 131 episodes? All those episodes and sagas were just 1 season? 🤷♂️
I thought about something you said in this video regarding everyone turning into children again. Yes - Toriyama aged up a lot of the cast in order to make the fights better and demonstrate "progression", but haven't child warriors always been a part of Dragon Ball? Gohan is a small child for a majority of DBZ, Trunks returns in the Buu Saga as his present child version, Goten brought along some great moments with Trunks, and Gotenks is a fan favorite demonstrating that fights can still be very interesting with a child character involved. I understand it may be off-putting or polarizing to see our cast turned into children again (some for the very first time, which is fun), but to Toriyama's point - this could be very refreshing to Dragon Ball by having our characters depend on their martial arts and tools (like the Power Pole) instead of countless transformations and Ki Blasts. Just feels a little half baked of an argument that does lean more on the side of criticism rather than optimism in my opinion.
I'm a big fan of your content, but I think it's fair to argue both sides fairly.
“No one knows Dragonball like its own creator”
Toriyama: “who’s general tao pai pai?” lol
“I forgot launch existed”
“I thought super saiyan 2 was super saiyan 3” lmao okay guy 😂
The man seriously forgot Tao Pai Pai? The other ones I knew about, but how the he'll do you forget about HIM!? 😂
@@SniperKing-O Eiichiro Oda was interviewing Toriyama & Oda was talking about Toriyama’s previous work & asked a question about General Tao & Toriyama didn’t even remember who he was & had no idea who he was even talking about. lol
@shenron7x Lol, my God! Toriyama needs someone to carry an encyclopedia of DB lore for him so he can knock those cobwebs out of his head.
Maybe Oda could give him some pointers on how to keep track of all his characters, because he seems to have zero trouble.😂 😭
@@SniperKing-O or Dragonball can just fucking end, or they can fire all the writers that were in super, specially kick Toriyama out of the writing room, he can’t brains anymore.
As someone who was a Dragon Ball fan during the 90s I don't like the direction where toriyama took the franchise in modern day and I felt like GT was the perfect end to the franchise there was no reason for him to bring it back but nope Dragonball evolution made sure of that he came back.
They should have never given the franchise to Hollywood in the first place they don't understand the Dragon Ball lore and in modern day times I think Toriyama doesn't even know his own lore anymore since he's so forgetful.
Toriyama has full control over his project and he's going to do whatever he wants. As Dragon Ball Daima I really have no interest in seeing it and I was never really that big into the OG Dragon Ball I grew up with Dragon Ball Z first Dragon Ball GT was okay could have been better it has some of the cooler villains like Baby Vegeta and the shadow dragons plus Super Saiyan 4 was very creative and Dragon Ball super I thought was a downright piece of crap good ideas executed poorly and it had to rely on nostalgia instead of doing fresh ideas. I have other animes to keep me entertained that are more interesting than the current dragon ball and if I really wanted to go back to Dragon Ball I just go back to the old stuff.
I get what you saying but this doesn’t seem like it’ll be og Dragonball or a gt remake.
@@dominiquerobinson8888 I'm not expecting it to be like the original Dragon Ball and it's not a GT remake. I think this is going to flop just like super did in Japan
They really need to do "Dragon Ball: Ultra" and show some time passage with UI Goku and UE Vegeta being equal-ish while it's really their *children* whom we're focused on. There may be a lot of questions we have as to what has happened in the last... say... 6-7 years since the ToP finished. Trunks and Goten weren't there to know, so we, the audience, are as unsure of the past -- and future -- as they are. What suspense that would bring, the opportunities to open up a new horrible past and form a terrifying new future from that.
And of course, Goku and Vegeta will never stop being important or developing, just, that development is more happening in the background whilst we observe their successors' burgeoning growth more closely. I think this is perfect. It gives almost everyone what they want, plus it's a good parallax on the passage of multiple stories as you have the much quicker-paced children moving things along in the foreground and the much slower-paced adults still growing, if menacingly, in the backdrop of all that passes.
Sigh.
Honestly, we're not missing out on much not getting the rest of Super. Also, since I keep seeing this shit everywhere - Daima is NOT GT. The only thing it's taking from GT is making Goku a kid again. If anything, it'll be closer to og Dragonball in tone
Toriyama is one of the manga authors that got CARRIED by his editors more than almost any manga author I've known of and honestly if it weren't for his editors he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did
Lol you are seeing it through a hateful view
wtf@@SampaFourty69
@@SampaFourty69 No I like what DB became but without his editors you get shit like DBS the cum dumpster of the franchise
Bro stuf 😂 you watch one video and you think you know everything that went down between Toriyama and his editors? The guy is a creative genius all they did was keep him focused on action, . the talent, the art, the ideas, the characters, its all him you goofy clown 😂
Kinda just wrong tbh
Z only perverts are at it again
How's is a GT remake when it was literally nothing from GT.
Daima must have been a godsend for the producers. It's A) A story that Toriyama is actually passionate about, B) completely unrelated to the Super shitshow and C) perfect opportunity to grab the younger audience.
Toriyama is out of touch
We don’t want to watch our childhood heroes turn into gey little children who go on adventures. That’s what made GT so insufferable.
@@caliburbeats9495Please crawl back under your rock and take your phobias with you
@@Eru_3ru Funny, and where's YOUR decades spanning animated franchise dare I ask? If Toriyama wants to make a goofy show with the cast as kids he's allowed to experiment. You know, like an artist?
@@metaloverlord7465 he can do that, said nothing against that.
its crazy how people would watch dbs or even dbz but not db. Its like skipping straight to wano arc in one piece or skipping to when ichigo gets his bankai
Idk man, not to sound negative but I genuinely don’t trust in toriyama cooking, modern dragon ball has fucked over many old and new characters that had good concepts and the stuff he wrote is especially worse than the original manga. Minus,broly,rof and even super hero are almost entirely written by him or supervised by him and those movies ruin/have alot of the bad traits in dragon ball(fights that have no impact and mean nothing, mid stories that overall don’t impact anything from it or later, transformations and fanservice just for the sake of it, and more) the only good thing that has come out from modern dragon that was written by him was battle of gods but that was because he ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND READ THROUGH THE SOURCE MATERIAL.
I don’t blame anyone who’s hyped for the upcoming stuff planned or even trusting in toriyama’s storytelling, more power to them. But personally speaking, i have nearly zero trust in his storytelling or in daima, but I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt when it drops and give it a watch as the character designer,director and staff are all individuals that i adore their work so hopefully it’ll at least look good and maybe, just maybe it’ll have a good story
I'm not gonna lie, I'm hyped for any Dragon Ball content. I've been a fan since i was 5 with my mum randomly buying me 'Dragon Ball Z: The World's Strongest'. Daima seems like an amazing concept and I've always been a fan of the more light-hearted SOL moments in dragon ball as they display really good world-building that the series doesn't often get due to its lack of perspective writing. Daima gives me the hype of early DBZ and late DB for some reason with the whole 'light-hearted 'till the fights roll out' vibe. Also from what I've seen, they probably wont stay children forever and will probably 80% revert back to adults somewhere throughout the series as they beat the main villains. Even if they remain as children right until the final scene, I'll still be hyped as hell because I love Dragon Ball as a series and not just for its big ass, cluster fuck fights (which are still the epitome of anime fight types IMO).
I was absolutely loving what Super was doing, especially with Superhero, Moro and Granolah. They made me actually like Broly so that was nice too (though it’s a different and better character that just shares a legacy name imo), and I also LOVED the growth done to present Trunks and Goten. Trunks being middling with technology and being more disenchanted with helming the family business and Goten being an aloof geek obsessed with all kinds of technology and video games was so cool to me. The antagonistic Trunks played off of the more blunt Goten in such a fun way in that prequel arc.
Daima kinda just reverted all of that and imo cuts off progress at the knees. It’s an open secret that Toriyama really only cares for stuff he has a large stake in creating, and his most fun work has to do with Kid Goku, but I think Daima is the result of giving the man too much creative power. You cannot reach an emotional core with literal baby characters, and the toriyama vibe is going to be much more whimsical and aimed at a kid audience. For all of the whining about Super’s more child oriented character jokes and scenes, I feel like we’re gonna get a ton of that in Daima. GT stans love their serious and grungy aesthetics and storytelling, and classic Z fans love their focus on serious action and violence. I have an inkling this might be a “under new management” situation for those that hate Super lol.
Overall though, despite me being a pretty big DBS fan, I’ll still check out Daima. I would’ve preferred a Super return obviously but as long as the manga continues to deliver I’ll live, and Daima’s premise seems fun especially if the other cast members actually get to contribute unlike in GT.
Man I loved the moro and granola arcs !!!!!!!! Sigh ........this is ridiculous........
@@Deathsyth-ks8uzehhh it's not even near perfect so much plot holes and bullshit that doesn't make sense just to end each arc
@@firdanharbima6997The Moro Arc was straight fire beginning to end but The Granolah Arc only got good around volumes 18-20.
@@HighTierHuman219 eh the "I will blow the earth by Fucking BLOATING and anything that move me will explode me" is bullshit plot copy and you know it, only the beginning makes it good mid to end is too much for sane people, imo anyway
@@firdanharbima6997 db villains always do that though? Cell decides to just nuke the planet, Buu actually does it, Frieza tries to do it, Vegeta tries to do it, etc. The word you’re looking for is trope, and that’s not really a flaw whatsoever.
Moro is an egomaniac power hungry wizard, if his back’s truly against the wall him trying to just kill everyone in his path is perfectly in line with his character, especially if we consider that the Angel powers he absorbed was actively decaying his mental state.
The Moro arc is completely fine and no less good than something like the Buu arc. If you wanna talk plot holes or storybeats that go nowhere, I could rant abt that arc all day lol
Sounds like Toriyama finally gets to write a more light hearted story without being at the mercy of his editor and fans. lol
More light hearted? The whole DBS franchise is light hearted 😂😂😂
The fact that bro called it the "DBS franchise" tells you all you need to know.
@@thedude2604 He's not wrong though. When something has multiple media formats, it becomes a franchise. Super itself has anime, manga, and movies.
Like Persona 5. It has Anime, Mnaga, and games, making it it both a franchise of it's own, as well as part of the larger Persona franchise, which itself is part of the SMT franchise, being a spinoff.
In the same vein, Super is a franchise of is own and well as part of the larter Dragon Ball franchise.
@@stevenhiggins3055 Persona 5 is part of the persona series of games, which is a branch of the Megami Tensei Franchise.
. Super is just part of the DragonBall franchise. Anyways that aside.. my comment was made to suggest that he's a Super only fan and doesn't know what he's talking about. It really wasn't that deep lol
@@thedude2604 Akio Iyoku, one of Dragon Ball's current editors reffered to the Super Anime and manga as ''two lines of Dragon Ball Super''. So yes, Super it's treated as a brand/franchise on its own. The same way ''Dragon Ball Z'' it's still used for merch and games associated to that particular era, despite Dragon Ball being one singular work in the manga.
R.I.P. AKIRA TOYRIAMA HE INSPIERED MANY
Sometimes a series needs to go back to its roots. Dragon Ball Z was always 20% adventure/80% episodes of AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH with some fighting mixed in.
OG Dragon Ball needed its own version of Kai, and this might just fill that need.
I just love how DB fans are rage-quitting before the new anime airs lol
Let them rage I bet the creator is laughing his ass off right now
@@dwaynejpeterkincorn ball
You do realize that first impressions are everything right? That's the point of teasers, if you don't like it that's fine, if you like it that's fine,. don't just ignore peoples. Criticism it makes you seem like a cooperate dog
True the first arc of gt gave it a bad rep till this day
The rest of it was good actually @@hype5456
"Toriyama's still got it"
Yeah.... That's a big ass thumbs down from me, buddy. The only thing AT has is brain damage. Super convinced me that he probably never had it in the first place and was always a hack coasting off of other people's better ideas.
Toriyama was effectively an editor for Most of Super, man.
Was barely involved in Super but alright. Was a hack but created the most iconic manga series of all time in DB, got it 😂 Go watch another series if you hate the creator that created this franchise. I swear you DB "fans" are cancer
I hate Super with a burning passion for many, many reasons so seeing them veer away from that is so refreshing. Daima already looks so much more interesting than anything super's given me. Now of course this still has to be executed well and I need to see improvements to Toryima's flaws as a writer to truly get excited, but if done right this has the potential to fix alot of problems that have cropped up with Dragonball as a whole since Z ended. From anyone not Goku being sidelined, to the poor handling of Gohan, regressing charachters or making them act purely out of charachter in order to drive the plot , lackluster callbacks purely for fanservice with none of the emotional weight to have it mean something again, transformations feeling hollow and unearned with power levels getting obnoxiously high, causing many contrived plot points for how a hero beats a villian or opponent.
I can list them all day but the point is Super sucked just as much as GT and honestly commited alot of the same problems. Something NEEDED to change or dragonball would've fallen far in the public eye. My hope for this is that everyone involved recognizes their faults and are using this as a way to fix them so we can get actual awesome Dragonball Content from an anime tv show. I did love Battle of Gods and I have yet to watch the last two movies so I can't comment if they were good or bad, but the show needs a different direction.
Toriyama's legacy is immortal. DBZ alone makes him one of the greatest manga creators of all time. He has nothing left to prove.
It may be cliche, but you really do die the hero or live long enough to become a villain.
Love the idea and glad we are getting some content. If they just didn't bring anything out all the people who like other anime better wouldn't be mad. We all can't be the SunGod with toon force that stops all physical damage and only hurts the soul lol
Toriyama realized that he was jumping sharks with monster trucks. Probably bored with the power rush. A return to the classic Dragonball-style isn't that bad.
Fuck it gonna make my own moro arc ain't gonna wait for anyone to animate it for me cuz toriyama clearly don't care
The one that throws me is Piccolo.
Okay, so everyone is returned to being a 4 year old....Piccolo as a 4 year old was the villain of the Piccolo Junior arc in Dragon Ball. 4 year old Piccolo looks older than DBS Dende.
I enjoy og dragonball and going back to martial arts (and power pole) along with stakes being not so galactic would make for a fun time and I think thats where Toriyama wants to go to as well as to not have the ever growing goku problem and the escalation fans are so hungry for. Gohan SHOULDVE been the mc since namek cause that wouldve been a nice power reset/rebalance/goal but people complained about goku dying. Overall im hopeful for Daima but I do think that DBS needed to push the anime as the series is always on the edge of tipping it to the real potential it has (like trunks and goten doing something besides fusing)
R.I.P king ❤
I see as Diama as a good plan by the creators since it would be better for the manga to have more chapters released before animating it and end up catching up to the recent chapters. This was a problem SAO had where the animation caught up with the manga and had to be delayed due to having to wait for the manga chapters to be released. So I give praise for the DB creators
Super isn't based on the Manga though and it would be better for it to stay that way, so this wouldn't be a concern. I'll probably not bother watching Daima myself but the way I see it this could still be a good thing should Super come back at some point in the future, they could have Super be a bit more aimed towards adults while having Daima be more of a show for kids.
The manga is already two arcs passed where the anime stopped and they're currently adapting the latest movie. If they adapt the Broly movie the way they did Battle of Goda and Return of F, they gives the anime *three whole arcs* before they have to worry about colliding with the manga. Hell, the anime can just do it's own adaptation of Super Hero too, giving them four arcs.
Not to mention, most anime these days only do one arc at a time, go on hiatus for a year or two then adapt the next arc. No reason Super can't do that. They can make a season 2 only on the Moro arc, take a break for a year, adapt the Granolah arc as season three, another year long break, Season 4 broly, wait a year, season 5 Super Hero, all while the manga continues to run. Anime fans get their fix, the manga gets to stay ahead so we don't get endless filler.
@@stevenhiggins3055 There wasn't endless filler before and the Anime has always been ahead of the Manga. No reason to start basing the Anime on the Manga now when there was no need for that when it first aired.
im happy nakatsuru is back as character designer. im looking forward to this, cant wait.
one of the reason db anime isnt continuing soon is alot of the animators are still doing other projects like one piece, sandman and more. once one piece is near its end, then they ll start
idk for me i'm so happy this got announced. if DBD is gonna finally fix the power creep DBS created, i'm all for it. characters need to think how to solve their problems instead of the "be more powerful" cliché. the characters need to feel weak in order to have stakes in the story. and having them turn to kids will of course dial their powers a lot to the point the risk factor returns. i know DBS did have some risks taken but there's always some bullshit that just removes it, Beerus suddenly not wanting to destroy Earth, Whis turning back time, Hit giving the win to Uni 7, Xeno dealing with Zamasu, and Goku turning ultra instinct like 3 times in 45 minutes tournament + A17 for some reason is alive after self destructing (so he can be the winner). these are literally all the arcs in DBS excluding the movies and manga. and i'm gonna pretend i didnt see the Z fighters go up in power level TREMENDOSLY in a very short time just so they can compete in the Tournament of power. I really miss the DBZ era where if you want to win you need to have sacrifices. in DBS, almost no sacrifices were had and the villains just lost without killing anyone important which is why it lacks character highlights. we don't have Vegita and Crillin's death in Frieza saga highlights, we don't have Nappa killing everyone highlights, we don't have A16's death pushing Gohan to his limits. and we definitely don't have Vegita destroying himself after realizing what he did. while i doubt moments like those will return with DBD (because DB franchise just became much softer especially in the anime) i still think there will be risk factors and the characters will have to think before they just punch their way through any obstacles.
*I’m not a majority of fans I’m just an OG fan of DB. I for one can say (even thought I’ve never seen dickma (or whatever it’s called))it has never got 1 second of my watch time, which is why I clicked this video. I had no idea that dickma had replaced super or whatever this clickbait title says but I’m excited to learn about this “shift” that’s happening in the community. Maybe it’s worth a shot….in the head*
Nobody wants this. I’m no die hard but we can all agree this ain’t it bro.
Im very interest in Daima the art looks gorgeous very fluid in 2d. And maybe Toyama will bring something fresh in years. Can be bad or gonna be so good that a new wave of fans are gonna appear
" a new wave of fans are gonna appear" yeah AKA PD-files and r34 artists
I really want them to redo super, a lot of it are hype yes but also fan services
Dragon Ball Super Kai? 🤔
Or just remake the original series, then follow that up with Season 2 of Super.
But what will that change? Colors look prettier now? The writing won’t change. This is a problem with the fan base sometimes. Just being satisfied with good animation without taking the storytelling into account. Then again , maybe this is what DB is.
Bro, I came here to learn about Daima, snd you taught me a Dbz 101 history lesson! ❤
love you and your voice/content! great stuff, this is my first video of yours. I loooove the dragon ball series and enjoy your style of commentary/narration. subbed!
Toriyama is probably losing it in his old age. He legit forgot super Sayian 2 existed
Unpopular opinion: There's a lot of potential in Dragon Ball Daima. And if this turns out to be the death of Super, while still being a good show... I won't be sad.
What I want is a Dragon Ball show that shakes up the status quo. And DBS is very much a status quo show. Apart from aging up Goten and Trunks (which only happened recently in the manga... but they were already adult at the end of Z... so aging them up is hardly a step forward) DBS never really furthered the story. It's in essence a mix between a sitcom and a monster of the week show. The monsters just last arcs instead of episodes. And I really enjoyed the DBS anime. But aside from the movies, I don't really need to see it again.
Dragon Ball Daima's idea of de-aging the characters sounds weird, yes. But if it means Goku can travel to other realms and fight enemies in OG DB style...? Now THAT sounds more like a shake up of the status quo! Let's just see how this plays out.
what potential it have?change hair colour?they should stop at dbgt..
Toriyama is dead😭
Dawg GOOD. Super literally murdered what Dragon Ball was and the message it was trying to send. I hope Daima blows that faux DB out of the water (which won’t be hard, Kakumei comics are better than literally the entirety of Super.)
Shit, the VAST majority of fan made comics, games and mods are better than the official material we get
*Frieza is never mere “bait”.* He’s the whole damn tacklebox, rod, and reel. 👁️🫶🫵😈‼️
We are talking about someone who completely forgot about Launch. Remember that...