Caveira Needs a Rework - Sunday Mailbox - Rainbow Six Siege
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Today we learned that Ubisoft has plans on changing Caveira in Rainbow Six Siege.
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these bans are just comfort bans
Facts
90% of the Siege community in a nutshell.
Victor Johnson ranked was better when it was in beta, as soon as they took it out it went downhill
Question: why we needed bans in Ranked in the first place?
They are just bans that everyone bans because everyone else bans them. If you know what I mean. No one does strategic bans because people suck.
Cav isn’t op she’s just scary to go against. From a winning standpoint I’d prefer plenty of other defensive ops on my team over cav
Ye I ban her since I play solo and don't want to give her a interegate and lose the game because of it
Yeah. Scary dudes just call Caveira OP as an excuse.
Agreed caveira really doesn't need a nerf. Lesion tho...
That's why they made Jackal! Then they nerfed Jackal and now they want to nerf Caveira! I wish they would leave the Operators alone!
that makes no damn sense, if she's scary to go against wouldn't that help you?
I honestly want them to fix the audio
Audio fix is possibly next season
Lol let them get to it, rankeds still in beta so that should give you an idea on a timeline;)
What do you mean?
They actually announced a audio fix in one of the recent patch notes
@@flyingmanwhich8951 it actually isn't anymore they removed the beta tag 2 seasons ago
The main feedback for battlefield 5 has been that the guns feel amazing but the rest of the game is broken.
Dice naturally thought they would break the guns so that the entire game is broken. Pretty genious if you ask me
Tommy this was pretty funny I’ll admit
@Aidan Snyder He is talking about TTK. Guns were more powerful and the comunity liked it that way. Also the changes are plain useless. The major complaint is that you can't kill people at range anymore because you need 10+ shots. Now, before the patch you needed already 6 to 8 shots to kill someone at long range with an automatic weapon. On my book, 6 shots is enough time you give your enemy to go in cover. In my opinion if someone gets killed at long range he was either hurt or dumb because with 6 shots to die at long range you have plenty of time to escape death. If you are some kind of braindead that walks in the middle of nothing with no cover you deserve to die on long range in 6 shots.
For Cav they could add a feature where you can choose how long you interrogate a person with 5 tiers. The longer you interrogate, the more people you will mark.
The Deep Rooted Tree that’s a great idea
That wouldn’t be a bad idea
That's awesome
Send this to ubi this is a great idea, or you could choose how long the interro lasts by the tiers instead. (For example tier 1 is 3 seconds of wallhacks and tier 5 is 15 seconds)
@@surwo7990 done
Castle: Dying operator
Ubi: eh...
Popular Operator Doing slightly better than usual: hey
Ubi: *Nerf Or Nothin'*
@@TheJonte12345 Yes, he's very powerful if the attackers don't have breaching charges, frag grenades, ash, sledge, zofia, or maverick. So basically he isn't powerful.
@@bubbleman2002 or Kali
@@TheJonte12345 that doesn't happen often, there's always a soft breacher in a team and there's plenty of players ysing breach charge instead of claymore
@@TheJonte12345 never said he was useless, it just means that he has plenty of counters. Every round/match he will always have a counter.
Even with castle having a lot of counters he is still good.For example if they destroyed it you know where they are coming from and also it makes you more comfortable so you don't have to look at every doorway.
I remember when pick and ban wasn't supposed to be about balancing 😂
Pepperidge farm remembers
What?
Ok boomer
@@joshdeveaux6936 ok kid sit down
@@joshdeveaux6936 get off the internet kid
dont remember pick and ban was to balance the operators....
Yes and no
Exactly
You always sound so happy and enthusiastic. I like that about you, matimi0.
There needs to he colorblind mode, I am colorblind and sometimes the red sites blend in with the flash and I cant aim or see
@Anonymous you got it
Or get colorblind glasses dumbass LMAO (jk im colorblind too, ily)
I agree im color blind and operator outfits make the game SO much harder
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You could change Cav to where if she’s picked, the game automatically assigns a attacker to each defender. If she gets the interrogation, each alive defender can see the location as is now of the attacker the game assigned them. That way each individual can only see one person.
With this, uncoordinated teams won’t be able to figure out where the whole attacker team is. But coordinated teams would be rewarded by being able to coordinate where their assigned attacker is
Aaron Tijerina that’s a great idea. Never thought about that.
Ubisoft: Adds pick and ban system
Players: ban people
Also Ubisoft: reeeeeeee why are you banning people must nerf
Ubisoft is yet to learn that leaning towards mediocrity makes the game much less fun
exactly, make every operator overpowered lmao
@@infernodotdash2203 Thinking with extremes is even worse, my dude
@@infernodotdash2203 hell no
@@infernodotdash2203 dumb
Ubisoft from my experience just listens to the small percent of the community who suck at the game and dont know how to counter when they ask to ban something AKA ACOG. RIP ASH, JEAGER, BANDIT
Hey matt if ubi keeps using the pick and ban system to nerf/tone down operators do you feel like we, as the players, are gonna be left with a lack of diversity in the skill gap/risk reward of the operators, because it seems like thats where ubisoft is pushing it
-Ian M
ClmB43Strm yes, totally, because then once one “op” op gets nerfed, we’ll just ban a new one. Honestly so dumb that they are solely using PaB to balance. Cav is just a comfort ban, super easy to counter, but scary.
In lower levels of siege, Caviera can be incredibly powerful.
Personally I think she’s well balanced,
and can teach new players the value of teamwork when attacking.
No, leave caveira as is.
I think they kind of rework how interrogating works then buff her pistol again
@@sauber4843 nerf*
Frequent Man she needs a pistol buff she cant take gunfights as well anymore
@@sauber4843 the pistol is sort of better now because they gave it better range. When it still had 99 dmg it'd only do that at point blank range, after about 5 meters it went down to 60 anyway.
@@Ghostkiller__166 Isn't it being nerfed to 40 now?
Don’t nerf my bae cav, she doesn’t deserve it
@@iKnowAllo scrub
@@iKnowAllo No she doesn't. You aren't good if you think so.
TnL Daboss what they said...
I’ve played Caveira for 2 years, I have >2K kills with her, over 1 million XP earned while playing, 700 interrogations, my Xbox gamerPic and discord image are Caveira’s logo, I have the Caveira acrylic light, I have Caveira as my phone background and lock screen, I have every cosmetic Caveira has to offer, a Caveira T-shirt and workout shirt, a Caveira wallet; you get the point. If they change her I’ll be depressed af.
Jessica Alburn i was the exact same but with blitz...and look at what they did to him...THEY KILLED HIM😭😭😭
cav rework idea(s):
-when interrogated only teammates inside get tagged
-when interrogated only teammates in a certain radius get tagged
When she interrogates, the ops that are in a certain range will be detected and maybe only for her
Thatcher- Fookin laser sights
Ubi- Fookin comfort bans
8:37 do bushes dance now?
Does Echo exist to Ubi? Every Ranked game I’m in, Echo gets banned.
Echos ban is 100% based on the fact that he cancels the plant animation. Nerfing that would end the constant bans, but would fundamentally break echo as an operator, as the nerf would have a complete change to the effect of echos drone on attackers even during non-plant situations.
A. Williams but that’s the same woth cav. They nerfed her pistol from 99 to 67 or whatever. And now they want to nerf her even more to the point where cav won’t be considered as cav. Same as ela, ela has a nerf after another
His gun is trash if he isnt being a sneaky lil runt hiding behind a sheild in a corner some where.
They've worked him into a corner, any change to him would yeild more damage than positive results.
I think the issue that comes with Cav applies to how frustrating her “gadget” is. The damage model of having a 1-2 shot down most of the time makes you feel like you have no time to react to her. I would like for her “gadget” to function more like Kali where if she goofs you can have a chance to react. Maybe replace the spam “non lethal” pistol with a unique shotgun that fires tasers or beanbags or something. Or since the pistol is “non-lethal” maybe make it so if you get downed by it you can pull yourself back up like Zofia when she gets downed. Cav is just really annoying to go against as is.
90% of the time I watch a killcam of cav getting me or my teammates, is her coming around a corner on full silent sprint and hitting one or two shots before her ads is even finished.
Her pistol is essentially a strong shotgun and she gets it while having no footstep noise.
I love how youre first topic is the title. Were intrigued by the title, and immediately we get the information. No skipping to the part or anything. Good on you for that man
the jackal treatment? change it so that only she sees the other player's locations
He lol
@@infinit33 talking about cav...that's a she
@@fardinshahriar1877 I know that
From my experience, the way to combat this kind of problem is to keep buffing the weapons and changing secondary gadgets until there is an actual justification to nerf the ability itself. Jackal is currently still a good operator. He, in fact, is still the best roam clearing operator. While nerfing his ability, Ubisoft buffed the PDW9 and swapped his breach charges for an anti-personnel mine (which in my opinion should have been frag grenades instead). Plus, Jackal still has access to smoke grenades and a secondary shotgun.
The issue isn’t so much the operator themselves, more the pick and ban system. Certain operators tend to be singled out time and time again. They should change the P&B system to each player picking an operator to ban, then the game can randomly select an operator from the ones picked to ban?
I like to get the formalities out of the way real quick and get into it.
Idea: make a radius for cav's interrogation. I dont think is fair that i get detected on the other side of the map because the random decided to go alone. My idea is to give a X meter radius (you guys decide) around the interrogated person, so if you get a risky interrogation you are rewarded with the location of his/her teamates and you can do a chain like usual cav, but if you get someone who was alone anyway you get the kill but dont win the round straigh away.
But that destroys the whole point of Caveira.
If enemies are nearby they're just going to wall bang her while she is interrogating the downed player.
@@user-ze6vt9xl2l thats why i was hesitant to put the distance of the radius, i dont play her or know how it would be fair for other players. Any suggestions?
Hiberian have coms and you’ll be fine
Na she is balanced you are prolly silver or copper if that happens to you alot
@@Ccubed92 As the other guy said as long as you have coms is good, the problem is when the random gets interrogated, thats why i'm suggesting the radius. I dont think is fair that me and my premade lose a ranked match (platinum) just because a gold random ints.
I love how DICE with BF4 had a Perfect team balancing system and BF5 non existent
Do you think that pick and ban will become pointless in the future because ubi keeps adding more ops that do the same thing? For example banning jager is less usefull because of wamai and to a lesser extent thatcher with kali.
jagers gadget can DESTROY multiple frags or stuns. Wamai can only grab one and the affect still happens.
I am very sad about every nerf to my boy jackal. And after these nerfs, I can't still play him.
He was never op, he’s an anti roamer, he’s meant to be frustrating/annoying to go against
Amazing gadget that puts you at an advantage in a gun fight and then give you a simply fantastic assault rifle, high rof low recoil and normal sized mag. Cav has bad guns and pulse has bad ones too it gies against the normal way they balance abilities that help you kill. I think jackal would be in a better place with just the smg and shotty options. Though in truth he would still be banned most of the time anyway
Cherry Gaming Jackal is banned 100% because everyone’s scared or can’t be bothered to challenge him, which isn’t even hard if you know how to counter him.
The best way to balance her is this:
Let her interrogate alright, but she can only reveal one person with each interrogation.
Idea for a cav rework: don't.
That's right !!!!
Once Cav interrogates it should have pings like Lion or Jackel.
The Zany Gamer no. Caviera’s interrogation is a lot harder to get and requires more skill than a simple press and of a button. Therefore it should be rewarded more as well.
Twoby I do agree but it would make her less annoying which is why she gets side lined.
The Zany Gamer yes, people would probably ban her less if that were to happen but she would also be very underpowered..
How about an opp who has a fuze like gadget but has smokes in it which they can see through this would be good for rushes and improve warden as he is a direct counter
One way smoke would break the game
New op idea for Sunday mailbox- an attacking operator that has a camera that can drill through any given breakable surface to see on the other side, maybe even reinforced walls but it make more noise.
Hey matimio do u thing they should add on console to be able to change your FOV
Can't. Console limits
Mitchell Kouwenoord battlefield on console has it 😗
The problem with cav and jackal is the same, your whole team gets rewarded without you having to communicate or teamwork, or your whole team gets punished because of one player's mistake. Only cav and jackal should be able to see the marked players, now it takes some communication to hunt them. It would make their usefulness in low ranks drop while keeping them pretty much the same in higher level play.
Might as well rework the whole game. Make Rainbow six great again.
Cav is rarely banned when i play ranked (plat3 - plat 1). Mira/Valk/Echo are the main 3 usually banned on Defense
Do you think ubi should add the old versions of maps in atleast custom games? I really want to play, lets say, old hereford with my friends who got the game later.
Matt I think it would be useful for Cav to pass out things for the bottom of peoples feet like rook to make everyone passively quieter like if a rook was running it would sound like a 2 armored op and for herself her pistol would only down when her ability was activated
The only way that I can think of to nerf/make people less scared of her (because that is really what it is) besides just continuing to nerf her guns is to extend the time it takes to actually perform the interrogation giving the offensive team more time to either save their comrade or to get to a safer position
anyone else been having audio issue? before my audio used to be muffled, now it just completely disappears,
Same.
Completely dissappeared,
Can't hear my mates & they can't hear me either.
If I get a fix to this, I'll let you know. Kindly do the same. Ty
I noticed that Kaid has a sort of saber thing on his belt but he never uses it. I feel like a neat little thing Ubisoft should add is Kaid has a bigger knife range in exchange of a longer knife time.
#SundayMailbox
I suggest Caveira receives the BOSG instead of Luison, the BOSG can only DBNO like Kali's rifle. In lore rubber slugs can explain this.
I think this will reduce her capacity (literally) to be able to DBNO multiple players to chain interrogations but she should still punish lone-wolves and poor intel gathering and relaying.
Alternatively/In addition; Caveira's victims could receive the withstand ability so that she cannot chain interrogations.
Cav doesn’t need a nerf. Just cause you don’t play cautiously and smart doesn’t mean she should get nerfed. That’s the same shit that ruined OverWatch. Kept nerfing people because the lower ranks were bad at the game and complaining about shit.
I think that one more problem with cav is that when she gets her ability off you have to take a hole other approach because now the entire defense can lock down or make your entire progress obsolete.
I mean regarding the Cav nerf, I think a reasonable change could be to reduce the time the opposing team is revealed after a successful interro. Maybe even halve the time and in exchange you can make the time it takes to interro twice as fast.
Howy Dayum, Dat Voice Pitch tho... HIGH!! Love it
2:00 rip coffee mug
As someone who's a valid cav hater she doesn't need a nerf she's just a scary op to play against
Siege will always be broken to someone out there (:
@Matimi0 I swear to god you have improved a lot in the game, you were pretty good before anyways but now you are waaaay better man!
If the next season wouldn't have any new maps? What four maps would you like to see reworked next?
Cavs interrogation should only locate people in a certain radius
Just make it that caviera only reveals ppl location if interrogated in a certain distance
Maybe shorter interrogation time but can only reveal ops that spawned in the same area as that specific attacker. Idk thinking out loud.
I got downed by cav once on Kafe and I was able to crawl into a spot under a table where she couldn’t get me. While she ran around the table trying, one of my teammates got her. Never stop fighting!
if it was just pings instead of the operator icon that would be a great buff or if they extended the interrogation time
I'd say the only logical way to fix cav in a balanced way is to reduce the time of the interrogation compromise by just a couple seconds. The length of time the enemy can see you really puts a lot of pressure on the attacking team.
Rework idea
-after you interrogate enemy team will be pinged just like lion did but slightly longer like getting pinged 5 times maybe (can be adjusted)
-with every interrogation amount of time it takes to defuse the defuser is reduced (2 or 3 seconds per interrogation)
That way even if you die after an interrogation reduces defuse time would be handy for the defender team
When people go against Caveira, they just need to get good
For the cav rework instead of having it like it is now just allow only up to 3 people getting tracked/ spotted
A great rework to Cav would be to change the way her interrogation works. For example: The closest attacker to her will be highlighted. This will make it so she can still help her team and chain interrogations like normal.
If they are to rework Cav, what do you think of this. Instead of her ability giving a real time location of the attacking teams operators, it just pings them 2-3 times like jackals ability does?
i think for cav they could make that the interrogation gives the position of only one random attacker in the enemy team but 1.5 times the time. that would reduce the "oh my god i just put my team in shitty situation."
Lol y did I go through that whole question thinking kali was kaid
I personally would make so when an attacker is interrogated by cav his teammates only get revealed at that moment, like when they’re pinged by a camera for exemple
I think you are right on the money with a Cav rework. Make it so her ability is less oppressive but easier to pull off so maybe she'll get used more at higher level play.
Comfort bans aren't a good grounds for a Nerf really. Like, I understand nerfing someone like Lesion, but Jackal and Caviera are just "uuugh I don't wanna deal with being punished for being out of position."
Verguchi Vergazo I agree I don’t like it when an op gets nerfed because people just don’t want to put up with it
Random thought but if Cav was changed so that she could only interrogate when her ability bar is full, so makes the player decide wether to wait for the bar to fill back up and interrogate or to just finish off the downed kill?
I have been playing cavers a lot more nowadays, and I think that she is VERY balanced. That risk-reward system is huge. Most people ban her because you
1.cant hear her
2. Her interrogation is terrifying
3. She’s faking scary
i think one of the best ways to fix cav is slowing her down. a huge part of her appeal and playstyle is her 3 speed 1 armour kit, so by doing making her 2 speed 2 armour you nerf her and change her playstyle so that she isn't as aggressive, making her easier to play against.
They could reduce Cav's ability by changing the number of oppo players highlighted by a percentage of who is alive - and nearest to the objective, for example, if 5 are alive, highlight just 3, if 4 just 2, if 3 or 2 alive , just 1...
What do you think about an operator that can reinforce windows. This can be a new operator or an updated castle. The reinforcement can either completely close the window or it could be something like grids where you can still look through. Either way you would definitely need thermite in order to breach and make that window accessible again.
Once again, pick and ban is a failure
Pick and ban was a great addition to ranked. What isn't great is that they're using it as their only source of information about how to solve operator balance issues.
But, the community cannot be fixed. The community is abusing the feature. If the community is a mess, it's a mess. Unless the pick and ban feature gets reworked (Fe ban only from a random generated selection of 5 ops), the community won't bother.
I think that people hang on the fact that Kali is a 1-shot down and completely forget about the environment she’s in. R6S isn’t full of enormous, wide-open battlefield maps. Basically every defender is either hiding in a small corner or moving through tight corridors
Hey Mat what do you think as a potential rework for cav being that it temporarily shows the location on each specific player for a certain amount of time. This way the entire opposite team isn’t constantly exposed but it still gives her a way for her team to find the opposition. It would work by showing one players position like how it currently does but for a shorter time then after that time is up it shows a different player etc
I think if her intero just gave the position of one random attacker, or if it just revealed what ops the attackers were playing, without giving away their position, that would make cav much more balanced.
Maybe when she interrogates you, only the other teammates near your player, to a certain range, gets their positions compromised. Now that being said, that may cause teams to spread out, which wouldn’t be the smartest thing to do on ranked, but still would leave some flexibility for the attacking team...if Ubi rlly wanted a way to nerf her.
Nerf cav? My suggestion is...
When got interogated,
Attackers on indoors got spotted as usual before, on outside will started to have a blink or maybe unaffected. If attacker runout outdoors while getting spoted will have same effects as outdoor state
I think that pick and ban is the problem, there’s always gonna be an op that gets band and people will never play
What if they rework cav and make her ability only visible to her. So the whole team can’t see the attackers
That....that might just work
I think they should increase the amount of time for an interrogation, maybe around 10 seconds? But also increase her weapon damage, that way, her weak weapons are buffed, but her introgation is more dangerous to pull off, and it would reward teamwork on defense and offense!
So, since they put the aug on wamai but minus the acog why can’t they do that for other operators? It would give some people a great buff such as Castle, Kaid (aug) and maybe frost. I feel that it would make more ops that are “bad” and buff them. Also it would add more acogs to the defending side. But if they have a 2/3 speed with the same weapon they could get rid of the acog scope selection. (Goyo with vector (If Mira got acog)). I think that it’ll definitely change the ops that are shoved to the side.
They should try talking off the white outline on the attack when cavy interrogates
My Idea for Caveira: Take away her silent step and leave the interogations, so she can't easy creep up or has to relay on noices made from her teammates (gunshots, explosions, ect.) to cover up she is close by or:
Leave the silent step untouched but take away the interogation and let her by a just a quit roamer. Like Nøøk but just for the defence. She can still creep up to you and take some out by using a flank or hideout but can't EASIELY stall out the whole attack solo, through her abillity.
Sorry for my bad english, hopefully you'll get what i mean... 😁
i feel like the older the operator is, the more you have to change their identity of that operator in a rework. in order to make it worthwhile to rework a operator to make it in line with others
You could make Cavs ability only work for a certain radius
I think what frustrates people the most is that cav shows the entire enemy team. If I were to change her, I would make it so she shows the closest enemy or two. Overall I think she pretty balance, she has to take a huge risk to get an interrogation off and it should have a huge reward in return. If anything, if she dies after her interrogation phase, I think her ability should disable. Their many ways to counter a roamer in this game, such as nomad and gridlock, the best tool being drones.
I think the pings that Jackal and Lion have as opposed to live positions would be the only possible change to Cav that wouldn’t destroy her
@Matimi0 I think Ubisoft should make jackel only be able to track 3 speed operators so the roamers such as cav will be tracked even if she has silent step activated
Maybe make it so cav only reveals attackers in the building. They already have it mapped out for defenders running outside, so they wouldn’t even have to do work to decide where everyone is.
Maybe the intera should have a charge up. The longer you do it. The more enemies revealed. Also finka should allow you to get up if your being intera
If they are gonna change her maybe just make it to where it reveals people that are a certain distance from her
Cav is practically useless when players can just leave the game and then reconnect before an interrogation goes off.
Disconnected body should stay where it died, I don't think there is any other better way
The audio rework could help with cav to make it more consistent. She isnt 0 audio she is lower audio.