Has Peugeot made a killer 400+ mile EV? 2024 e-3008 first look

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  • Опубликовано: 11 дек 2024

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  • @DontPanicDear
    @DontPanicDear Год назад +32

    I find myself liking the look of recent Peugeot products, more than most other cars on the road 😮

    • @Tottorul
      @Tottorul Год назад +1

      Many nice looking cars recently. The only question is, how reliable is it. Relevant question when it comes to Renault and Citroen

    • @garnray8568
      @garnray8568 Год назад +6

      @@Tottorul They are extremely reliable. Stop living in the past. I drive a Peugeot 3008 since 2017, it's just the best car I have ever had. I'm 52, been a BWM guy all my life. Now I'm a Peugeot guy Stop living in the past. They are super reliable. Never had a single issue with my Peugeot.

    • @Tottorul
      @Tottorul Год назад

      @@garnray8568 That could very much be

  • @davidrolfe9571
    @davidrolfe9571 Год назад +11

    I've been driving for 62 years and the 2019 3008 180 PS 1.6 EAT8 was the best, most refined (and more than adequately fast) car I'd ever had. Traded it for a Skoda Enyaq iV 80 Sportline which is even more refined, but I do miss the Peugeot dash / wheel set up. WLTP ranges are fine, but never achieved in the real world, so my philosphy is to go for the longest possible range - if only because it must improve the resale value by suiting the needs of a wider market. When my Skoda reaches 3 years old would consider swapping it for the long range version of this E3008.

  • @stennordenmalm9900
    @stennordenmalm9900 Год назад +6

    I did not see this EV coming, great work from Peugeot

  • @lupislune
    @lupislune Год назад +2

    That color checks all the boxes!

  • @mcmurder8835
    @mcmurder8835 Год назад +2

    I'm on my third Pug 5008 since 2018, no issues. My second was a straigt forward trade old for new. Unfortunately it was t-boned and written off a month ago. We had a few weeks of car hire which gave me an opportunity to try a few alternatives. In the end I bought another 5008, an 8 speed auto this time. Peugeot are making great cars atm. They look great, drive well, and are quite practical. My only issue is the rising prices.
    The range on these e3008s is on another level, they'll sell well.

  • @johnminshall242
    @johnminshall242 Год назад +5

    Looks promising. I’d be interested in the LR 400-mile version, and will be watching the first tests and reviews!

  • @albertlira7443
    @albertlira7443 Год назад +6

    There's something very interesting about the frenchies styling. A very striking design that i think has improved with time. Great sneak peek Rodie!

    • @lupislune
      @lupislune Год назад +1

      They, like Sir Mix A Lot, have similar taste when it comes to the back side of vehicles.

    • @albertlira7443
      @albertlira7443 Год назад +1

      @@lupislune i agree

  • @AM-zq8ro
    @AM-zq8ro Год назад +1

    This guy is funny. I look forward to more of his reviews

  • @ellisrochlin2267
    @ellisrochlin2267 Год назад

    You come over massivley enthusiastic, even though you stated peuguet are not paying you for this rehearsed in depth pitch.

  • @mustang7845
    @mustang7845 9 месяцев назад +1

    Bought a 408 GT last July its a real beauty but the Auto gearbox is a bit laggy

  • @nathanwolf5547
    @nathanwolf5547 Год назад +2

    A great review. I love you irreverent style of presenting too. Hope to meet you at an SMMT event one day.

    • @TimRodieDrivesStuff
      @TimRodieDrivesStuff  Год назад +1

      Thank you! I'm usually at the main test day and the southern day!

  • @tacodias
    @tacodias Год назад +7

    Car designers mentality:
    Q: people want cars that fit the family and stuff
    A: make wagons
    Q: they want a higher driving position and we can charge more for a suv
    A: make SUV
    Q: people think suvs are clonky
    A: make coupe-ish suvs
    Q:headroom is compromised and so is cargo space
    A: make them bigger
    Result: a stupid massive coupe suv compromised in space and habitability whit a 45k price tag
    -

  • @edwarddejong8025
    @edwarddejong8025 Год назад +1

    Gorgeous color. Fantastic design. So sad that in USA we don't get the fun stuff like the Japanese mini cars like the Jimny and N Box. And reasonably priced Euro products like the 3008 and the Skodas. We in the USA are milked like cows by everyone. Our local manufacturers price things just low enough to stay in business. So annoying.

  • @willsmyth639
    @willsmyth639 Год назад +7

    All looks good until the price especially for a normal family car, sad to say we could be looking at a time when some family’s couldn’t afford a car except for an older model especially not electric, times are hard and expensive for most but car prices are stupidly high therefore out of reach for most now

    • @paulfowler3416
      @paulfowler3416 Год назад +2

      You can blame brexit and tory populist government inaction for some of the really high uK ev prices

    • @willsmyth639
      @willsmyth639 Год назад +2

      @@paulfowler3416 so why is it global the problem with car prices and the rise in last 8 years ?

  • @paulwardzynski3265
    @paulwardzynski3265 Год назад +6

    Good video as always (well most of the time). Peugeot do try hard and probably deserve a bit of success with persevering with their quirky styling both outside and in. Range sounds great but I think they will struggle with the pricing though.

  • @michaeledwards8079
    @michaeledwards8079 Год назад

    where is the rear wiper

  • @trophyian
    @trophyian Год назад +2

    Another delightfully irreverent but informative review. I'll have one. How much?? Maybe not.

  • @stevenziegler2523
    @stevenziegler2523 Год назад

    This available in U.S.?

  • @goodlifebdg
    @goodlifebdg Год назад

    Can the backseats recline ?

  • @ssgeek4515
    @ssgeek4515 11 месяцев назад

    Cracking over 400miles Is that REAL World figures??? Do hope so.My Pug 3008 is everything any driver needs.I also baught it.None of this 3year plan crap.The lion does go from strength to strength!

  • @jdmguy44
    @jdmguy44 Год назад

    Very striking as with all Peugeot's these days.

  • @ISuperTed
    @ISuperTed Год назад +1

    Very nice looking but I dread to think how much the long range version will cost given Stellantis want £40k for a top-spec Corsa!

    • @TimRodieDrivesStuff
      @TimRodieDrivesStuff  Год назад

      Yeah, we shall see! I reckon it'll be £55k…

    • @renardargent6487
      @renardargent6487 Год назад +1

      @@TimRodieDrivesStuff 😏That doesn't auger well for price in Australia

  • @alfamonk
    @alfamonk Год назад

    Loving the new design details, less of a big brash face than the old 3008 which I don't love. Problem with Pugs now is their pricing is super punchy, and there are lots of new competitors out there. Will be interesting to see what happens to the old car-makers over the next 10-15 years.

  • @notyet64
    @notyet64 7 месяцев назад

    Good looking E car, but what is the purpose of the Start/Stop button here? No one need this one again. I used it in my 2008 fuel version.

  • @RoscoeColtrane
    @RoscoeColtrane Год назад +1

    The vehicle color matches your pants. I approve.

  • @chiliphil64
    @chiliphil64 Год назад

    I wonder if it will have vehicle to grid

  • @niklace
    @niklace Год назад

    The big screen is high and seems to hide part of the driver's vision isn't it ?

  • @tshikosiphathutshedzotshik1396

    French are so good with stylish cars.

  • @marcgoodey9968
    @marcgoodey9968 Год назад +1

    Love the videos Tim. Lovely car but "promises 435 mile range"? Whilst on paper that is great from October to April you can safely half that for real world. I appreciate the measurement is all we have, carefully regulated and all that but as a regular long trip driver we need a bit more honesty about range than this one method. If e-cars actually went as far as stated then "anxiety" could be managed but they simply don't. I know mpg is not perfect either, but in the last 4 cars I've owned I've managed about 90% of the stated figures no matter what the weather.

  • @ananassomalvagio
    @ananassomalvagio 11 месяцев назад

    Hi, I'm interested about new Peugeot 3008 plug-in hybrid version. I would like to know if the 3008 plug-in version is reliable or not, because I've a CH-R Gr Sport full-hybrid and I'd like to try a plug-in hybrid car. What are the difference between Toyota and Peugeot?
    I apoligize you if my English sucks, but I'm Italian 😅 An Italian that love this new 3008 version (above all the interior are wonderful)

  • @nauristebernieks2161
    @nauristebernieks2161 Год назад

    Stunning looking car! Is there going to be a Diesel engine?

  • @michaelmcgrath7465
    @michaelmcgrath7465 Год назад +1

    Very boxy. Can’t wait for the e-308 wagon. Much more elegant.

  • @drfisheye
    @drfisheye Год назад

    They've put the screen far away from the driver, which makes it hard to reach. And even harder to reach for the passenger. And then there are ventilation controls angeled towards to passenger instead of the driver, but there is no temperature control. It all makes no sense.

  • @RobertSmith-le8tg
    @RobertSmith-le8tg Год назад

    No rear wash/wipe. Rear vision is going to be interesting........

  • @MrDAVIDATKIN
    @MrDAVIDATKIN Год назад +1

    Looks a great car, sadly if the prices suggested are actual price paid I can't see them selling many. Mid £40k for a stard range for a peugeot when you can pick up a standar range Tesla for just under £40k.

    • @trthib
      @trthib Год назад

      Who would want to finance Musk's crazy political agenda....? Anyone buying a tesla could as well be paying trump's lawyers or buying for putin's....

  • @BispoOnRoad
    @BispoOnRoad Год назад

    Coupe styling looks awesome but it eats so much boot space....

  • @wayneheyes4934
    @wayneheyes4934 Год назад

    I’ll wait for the petrol or hybrid

  • @JackMelqart
    @JackMelqart 9 месяцев назад

    well...
    so far, the UK/FR/DE sites have only the petrol and the single motor smaller battery version as an option. neither the bigger battery nor the dual motor, also would point it out how weird it is that the dual motor comes with the smaller battery, makes no logical sense. you would think dual motor need more juice thus the bigger battery would be the logical choice..
    also i know during winter the FWD is better then RWD, bit in general RWD feels better, and is more fun to drive.

  • @kennydouglas9459
    @kennydouglas9459 Год назад

    It look nice. But knowing it’s a Peugeot, they’re gonna price it way too high.

  • @smwatson1512
    @smwatson1512 Год назад +3

    I don't really get why they've made it a "coupe" shape, when they have the 408? Range is getting promising.

    • @TimRodieDrivesStuff
      @TimRodieDrivesStuff  Год назад +2

      Yeah I think it's for aero more than anything. But there'll be a 5008 on this platform next year too, I imagine that must keen a regular SUV shape to cater for the third row of seats?

    • @smwatson1512
      @smwatson1512 Год назад +1

      @@TimRodieDrivesStuff You'd think so. Just seems like an odd overlap between models. The 408 is quite a bit bigger I guess, slightly longer than the current 5008.

    • @disarchitected
      @disarchitected Год назад

      I read a press release saying they want the 5008 to major on practicality and the 3008 to be more ‘stylish’, differentiate the two models more.

  • @Eire369
    @Eire369 Год назад

    As soneone who drives all over the country in my job the long range model would be something I'd definitely be seriously considering as an alternative to my diesel

    • @allanbriggs807
      @allanbriggs807 Год назад

      Keep the diesel for a while - until they get the bugs out of the EV engines. (or the batteries)

  • @liquidreven
    @liquidreven Год назад

    Looks great and range is awesome but why so slow, must be the slowest EV in this price range

  • @harry7384
    @harry7384 Год назад

    For this time, the look of the Renault Scenic is better !

  • @alexis1959
    @alexis1959 Год назад

    Gimbal? Needs calibration. Other than that nice video

  • @simonparker4701
    @simonparker4701 Год назад

    2.1 tons...😮

  • @cityblue0202
    @cityblue0202 Год назад

    Not many ev’s can do more than 4 miles per kilowatt, my ID 4 driving normally only got 3.6 mpk. But I am going to wait to see the real world range then buy 1 when it’s a year old and 40% cheaper than £45000 which is brand new Tesla price

    • @Ben-oy1td
      @Ben-oy1td Год назад

      My Ioniq 5 has averaged 4.4 mph/h for the last 13 months ( easily)

    • @cityblue0202
      @cityblue0202 Год назад

      @@Ben-oy1td I did see a video on the old ioniq and they said it did nearly 6 but it had something like a 35 kw battery

  • @timrothwell33
    @timrothwell33 Год назад +3

    The range "is great" because they fitted a 98kWh battery pack

    • @TimRodieDrivesStuff
      @TimRodieDrivesStuff  Год назад

      Oh is that how it works

    • @timrothwell33
      @timrothwell33 Год назад +1

      @@TimRodieDrivesStuff it's just not that impressive to keep adding more and more expensive and heavy battery cells when the vast majority of the time, the vast majority of people have no need for that sort of range. Using their figures a 60kWh battery would give 266 miles of range.
      The latest version of the e-C4 has a 54kWh battery pack and 260 miles WLTP

  • @johnhaynes9910
    @johnhaynes9910 Год назад +2

    Dear Sicko Tim, Not a fan of the styling but in common with most EVs, it's too heavy and likely too expensive. To be honest I'm not too sure that EVs with current technology is really going to save the planet let alone Grunter what's her face :)

  • @neillordsnootyhawhaw812
    @neillordsnootyhawhaw812 Год назад

    The drivers side interior of the car looks more like a airplane cockpit than a car…….. I think car makers are putting too many distracting large screens in cars that are not needed and will cause accidents to occur….

  • @viggenras1
    @viggenras1 Год назад

    piano black is not good and even on the steering wheel. besides that it looks very nice.

  • @OscarEduardoRosales
    @OscarEduardoRosales Год назад

    Peugeot, what happened to auto hold?

  • @Tobias042
    @Tobias042 Год назад +1

    With a almost 100kWh battery you really really want to load faster than only 160kW

  • @MRCDF7
    @MRCDF7 Год назад

    That will be 60k or more, please.

  • @pigeonpoo1823
    @pigeonpoo1823 Год назад

    I kinda liked the way PSA went with 50kwh battery size. Seems the market dictates 75ish is required as a bare minimum. What a crying shame.
    Dig up stupid!
    I'm sure the base one (hybrid) will sell ok tho

    • @DontPanicDear
      @DontPanicDear Год назад +1

      Is PSA a thing anymore?
      I thought it was all just Stellantis now.

    • @pigeonpoo1823
      @pigeonpoo1823 Год назад

      @@DontPanicDear I'm referring to the current gen PSA products that were pre merger. They all had the same 50kwh battery pack. As for what platforms are being used with the Stellantis brands going forwards, I don't know.

  • @cotswoldphotographers
    @cotswoldphotographers Год назад +2

    rabats de jus 😂

  • @GrzegorzCor
    @GrzegorzCor Год назад

    FWD ? Every true EV manufacturer knows the EV rear wheel drive makes more sense. That means Stelantis still doesn’t follow the rules and those who lead the way.

  • @brunoheggli2888
    @brunoheggli2888 Год назад

    Game over for Tesla!

  • @justice4g
    @justice4g Год назад

    should have made it RWD

  • @Angusoksen
    @Angusoksen Год назад

    It looks a bit meh exterior wise. interior looks exclusive

  • @GrzegorzCor
    @GrzegorzCor Год назад

    If this will be as 2008 with horrible entertainment system and no planing navigating and all, it will be horrible.

  • @deeselx
    @deeselx Год назад

    Love the looks and the interior design but boot space and rear space doesn’t match the Tesla Y. You looked cramped and hunched up in the rear seats. My mate is 6.4” and has loads of room in my Y. Good attempt Peugeot but the benchmark has been set and you need to do better.

    • @disarchitected
      @disarchitected Год назад +2

      Different size cars though, the 5008 is Model Y sized. This is a class down from that, about 20cm shorter.

  • @doordedeur
    @doordedeur Год назад

    I think the sloped rear is very ugly and makes the car look 'handicapped'.

  • @csjrogerson2377
    @csjrogerson2377 Год назад

    Are the range figures EPA or WLTP? Are the batteries LFP or NCM/NCA? There is no way that car will get 438 miles lugging a battery that will weigh approx 1200Kg and if, as I suspect, the batteries are NCM or NCA, there is only 70% of the total charge available except on rare/infrequent occasions. Nobody gets 4.4 miles/kWh, not even Tesla and Lucids. Lucky to get 300 miles on an 80/10 rate.

    • @cbcdesign001
      @cbcdesign001 10 месяцев назад

      In summer I get 5.1 miles per kWh in my EV with ease, so much for your "Nobody gets blah blah blah"

  • @medialegend
    @medialegend Год назад

    If you actually had flu, I'm not sure you'd be standing up in front of a camera talking about it.

  • @newlinkdirect
    @newlinkdirect Год назад

    More like 250 miles in real world

  • @tomcockcroft9394
    @tomcockcroft9394 Год назад

    How can you review evs without reviewing the best selling car in the world?

  • @JV-kg1dm
    @JV-kg1dm Год назад

    its just another battery on 4 weels, i stay with my petrol car

  • @carlosorff
    @carlosorff Год назад

    Throw in an HDI engine and you will have a winner. The car will do over 900km on a single charge, winter or summer. With fast chargin in under 5 minutes to 100%.

  • @BobskiGang
    @BobskiGang Год назад

    They should have made it EV only. Now that platform supports Hybrids as well and thats why it is FWD and not RWD and AWD. There is stupid start button, which you don't need in real EVs. It is too heavy and the acceleration is poor... I hope they come with real EV soon. I used to love Peugeot cars, but I can't buy these hybrid/EV cars. Those are not real EVs

  • @dancooper2072
    @dancooper2072 Год назад

    Taycan and 208 aside why do electric cars all look like crap

  • @George_Shonia
    @George_Shonia Год назад +1

    No single tesla on your channel during all 3 years of its existence.. Lol, they're exist by tve way & that is why we have so much options in evs now.
    It's would be interesting to hear you take about at least one of their models.. Wanted to subscribe but... That is just childish, you're dening the existence of elephant in the room.

    • @TimRodieDrivesStuff
      @TimRodieDrivesStuff  Год назад +5

      That's because dealing with Tesla UK is a royal pain in the butt from what I've heard, so I've not even bothered asking for one. I've driven quite a few Model 3s, but booking one in for test to join the massive swamp of Tesla reviews isn't high on my list. Sorry!

    • @George_Shonia
      @George_Shonia Год назад

      @@TimRodieDrivesStuff i didn't realized if that channel was based in UK.. Understand now.

  • @ricarmig
    @ricarmig Год назад

    In my country Peugeot is one of the main brands and…what a headache!They are unreliable, many electric, software and mechanical issues (I won’t even tell my father’s 308 history…). Naturally the company doesn’t recognize them on most countries and the client has to pay or sell the car. The costumer support is as good as no costumer support. Never again!
    About this E3008: as in recent Stellantis’ history, the external and specially the interior design is very confusing, “too much stuff” and buttons with very angular corners. Like the designers opted for “the more the better”. Besides I wouldn’t trust Stellantis electric motors and batteries enough to spend a dime on such cars. Tesla (and I own one) is a “new” company that proved to be MUCH more reliable than any French or Italian car brand. For me it’s between Tesla and German brands.

  • @j.manresa2678
    @j.manresa2678 Год назад

    Otro engaño de coche, en 4 años empieza a salirle averias como el anterior 3008?

  • @Paul-li9hq
    @Paul-li9hq Год назад +1

    400 mile range? Excellent.
    Except the diesel version does over 700 miles.
    And costs significantly less. Like 10 grand less.
    10 thousand pounds!
    £10,000!!!
    A £10,000 price difference means the ICE car owner is already better off!
    10 grand buys you well over 1400 gallons of diesel)
    So... the price difference means the ICE owner effectively has 1400 gal of 'free' fossil fuel - compared to owning the EV model 😂 and 1400 gal at, say, 55mpg average is 77,000 miles! That means the ICE car is cheaper to own/run for around 6 years... at which the EV might start to claw some ground back 🤣
    ...for a couple of years; then it needs a new battery, and the owner is another £10,000 out of pocket 🤣🤣🤣

    • @allanbriggs9007
      @allanbriggs9007 11 месяцев назад

      Yep I have the last of the 3008 GT HDi's (2.0 diesel). It's a proven engine that will go forever. Buy an ex-demo and make further savings.

  • @mattchristie1810
    @mattchristie1810 Год назад

    So 435 miles WLTP = charge to 80% capacity of 350 … then real world driving take off one third, leaves say 230 actual, take off 20 for ensuring enough charge to get to a charging station, and you’re left with 210 miles actual useful range - less than half the stated range. Oh wait, that’s summer months, knock another 10% off for winter and it’s 190 miles half of the year. Ah but when you’ve done 3 years driving, battery degradation will knock another 10% off. So now down to 170 miles. Good luck future purchasers!!

  • @gdwlaw5549
    @gdwlaw5549 Год назад

    Lamborghini went to france …cheese ….was about to subscribe…nah

    • @TimRodieDrivesStuff
      @TimRodieDrivesStuff  Год назад

      Au revoir

    • @gdwlaw5549
      @gdwlaw5549 Год назад

      @@TimRodieDrivesStuff enjoy Brexit !

    • @gdwlaw5549
      @gdwlaw5549 Год назад

      @@TimRodieDrivesStuff Check on thé nationality of Peugeot design team. It’s international ! What a surprise

    • @gdwlaw5549
      @gdwlaw5549 Год назад

      @@TimRodieDrivesStuff almost like Nigel Farage doing a car review ….

    • @TimRodieDrivesStuff
      @TimRodieDrivesStuff  Год назад

      I think you missed the joke 😀 As for Farage… I’m the total opposite. Sorry to let you down with the cheese joke though

  • @nivaldodorownivaldo2790
    @nivaldodorownivaldo2790 Год назад

    O de antes era bem mais bonito eu acho que deram um tirro no pé

  • @Toxicdemon2
    @Toxicdemon2 10 месяцев назад

    They made a really UGLY car

  • @bobjohn6625
    @bobjohn6625 Год назад

    EVs sucks

  • @neilburns8869
    @neilburns8869 Год назад

    I usually like Peugeot but soon as you said it was all-electric that turned me off immediately.
    Sorry, but I don't do EVs.

  • @sasicuomo3973
    @sasicuomo3973 Год назад

    Peugeot🤮

  • @travidvidlegradic1995
    @travidvidlegradic1995 Год назад

    Ith has only one flaw: it is electric

  • @RosemarySmity-ix3fc
    @RosemarySmity-ix3fc Год назад

    I’m sorry but this review is a waste of space. Why do the reviewers seem to get off on the flashing lights and lovely colours. It starts with price, real world range and then usability ending with the cosmetics. At 80k pounds the story stops.

    • @TimRodieDrivesStuff
      @TimRodieDrivesStuff  Год назад +4

      Let's see your review then, big gob

    • @RosemarySmity-ix3fc
      @RosemarySmity-ix3fc Год назад +1

      @@TimRodieDrivesStuff such a well balanced response. Why do you think I even bother to look at the reviews? It is because I do not get access to these cars and want to know about them. The point I make is that EV reviewers seem to leave the most important details to last or leave out entirely. Those details are not how pretty it looks or the nice sparkly lights.

    • @allanbriggs9007
      @allanbriggs9007 11 месяцев назад

      You have a point. Surely things like price, handling, functionality, reliability etc are more important than how pretty a car looks.

  • @easy08154711
    @easy08154711 Год назад +13

    I don't buy cars from Stellantis. Even their CEO does not belive in EVs. So why should we buy their disbelief. The only company from the west that beliefs in EVs is Tesla, end of story.

    • @ricarmig
      @ricarmig Год назад +1

      I have a huge amount of stories around the (bad) reliability of Stellantis cars, starting that many of those issues aren’t recognized and repaired under warranty. Many issues that in the UK, France and Germany the authorities had to demand the brands to fix those issues, on many others Stellantis make the costumer pay for those engineering defects and the authorities just look to the other way…. (See Adblue pump / valve issue; see diesel common-rail injectors issues; see daylight light defect on one side present on almost all cars -my father’s car already replaced 3 and after that, I turned off the feature completely. I questioned why almost every car has that issue and one side, including Citroën /DS/Peugeot and the company said “it’s normal use”-).
      Stellantis…no thank you.

    • @hypernewlapse
      @hypernewlapse Год назад +11

      They are about to get big in EVs with the new Citroen eC3. Ex PSA brands are big in EV, its the American brands that lag behind

    • @trthib
      @trthib Год назад

      Musk only believes in money and power....oh and racism, and sexism, and vladolf putler, and any and all types of extremism....
      Just send your check to trump, farage,....or musk and act surprised when they turn the whole planet into a mix of iran and north korea....you'll be so proud of your tesla !!!

    • @disarchitected
      @disarchitected Год назад +1

      Its not just Stellantis, ZEV legislation is a huge headache for almost all legacy manufacturers. Only the Koreans and Chinese have taken it onboard with any degree of enthusiasm.

    • @doddsalfa
      @doddsalfa Год назад +1

      Lol b.