Funny Thing About Babolat Pure Aero 98
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2023
- An unexpected detail on the Pure Aero 98 that makes me wonder which racket is really better for what.
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Love these types of videos! The difference in density I believe is to compliment their respective headsizes. Denser on the 100 to minimize any loss of control and more open on the 98 to maximize its sweetspot because of its smaller head and thinner beam.
Great point! As I think about it, though, I see it more as countering the headsize. I find it ironic the smaller one opens up the string pattern that much. I would personally just prefer the additional density.
But the racket plays well. It just makes me lean towards the standard pure aero when I look at details such as this.
Interesting take. I personally tried 98 only and it feels dampened (what I like) but kinda stiff. The balance is great, but overall it feels lite boardy and I thought it’s because of the string pattern. Might be just strings itself or the tension.
That is interesting. A good example is the Prostaff 6.0 85 is a 16x18 string pattern.
Was it a demo? Might be that way a little anyway. I generally find babolat to be
@@time410s yeah, it was. Strung with rpm blas 1.25 at around 53
My son who used to have a head speed pro auxetic which is very controlled 18x20 had an easy transition to Pure Aero 98 16x20. He was actually at home with it from the first shot -really easy transition. I did not expect that coming from Head to Babolat. While he tested the Pure aero 100 2023 and the difference for him is night and day. He didn’t like the pure aero 100 especially on the backhand.
I see. Pure Aero regular too powerful or something like that? Not controlled enough?
Very good insights!
Thanks!
Awesome attention to detail. Not unlike your observation about the pattern of the 16x20 Vcore 95 being more open than the Ezone 98. It's like the manufacturers are trying to tame the inherent power of their larger frames by tightening the pattern of the sweet spot. And conversely, increase the pop of the more control oriented, smaller frames by opening their pattern. Also goes to show that, at least in those frames, a 16x20 is not really a tight pattern in the way that the 18x19 pattern is in e.g. a TFight ISO 305.
Thank you! Yes, these are the kinds of reasons that make such observations so interesting to me. It's like the string pattern is trying to undo or make up for something else then running with the marketed idea and taking it a step further with the pattern. I also really wonder, would it be THAT different? It's kind of crazy to me that it would be necessary to open up the PA98 pattern more than the PA 100. It's only 2 inches smaller with 1 extra cross. What's the point if it ends up being more open, comparatively? I know it's still different but that detail specifically is funny to me considering the supposed intention of the racket.
If you have a 2020 Pure Aero VS lying around, would love to see a string density comparison with the new 98! Side by side from my eyes, I see it slightly more denser on the new 98.
I'll try it!
Interesting. I prefer the feel of string patterns like on the PA98 where the crosses are spaced wider near the edge of the frame. I find that when all the strings are bunched towards the centre (like with the 100), I get a mushy feel off the stringbed.
I observed something similar to you comparing the Prestige mid (93sqi) to the Pro Staff 85. Even though the Pro Staff has a much smaller head size, the string pattern is more open than the Prestige. I had a much better feel with the Pro Staff and it felt a lot more powerful as well despite the smaller head. With the prestige, I could not tell when I was hitting the sweet spot. The Pro Staff gave me a nice feeling of crushing the ball when I hit the sweet spot.
You might be onto something. I'd imagine more density might struggle to pocket as easily but also would dampen the sensations. Either way it is a less malleable bed at the same tensions but even lower, it can be stiffer in the sense that relative to it's tension, it's still less "elastic"
But I can't necessarily confirm a mushy lack of feel sensation from denser spaced patterns but I can get down with that theory.
i would love to have more drill patterns choices in frames (I want the korda 18x19 blade pattern); hopefully we will get there as people become more obsessive hehe
Oh that's a thing? What else do you know about that one? 18x19 they did on the blade 104 of a couple generations ago. Didn't know of others. Could be custom. Could be available on the pro stock market.
Have you ever tried the Dunlop Cx 200 tour? They have a 16x19 and 18x20 string pattern available!
I have. Tried to like it but I just don't think it feels nearly as good or juicy as the EZONE 98 and it's actually barely any denser around the sweetspot in the 18x20.
What is more important for the directional control, the density in the mains or in the crosses? Same question for spin, I know the mains are the ones snapping back, so if the mains are more open, in theory the pattern is more spin friendly right?
I feel like a combination of tighter mains with more open crosses would be more spin friendly than open mains and tight crosses. Mostly because of the friction and tension from the crosses resisting snapback.
As for directional... That's hard to say. You might want a balance because if the tension isn't pretty even between both, it will pocket strangely.
I am excited for the upcoming release of the new pure aero rafa frame. That new paint job pops!
Oh I haven't even seen it yet! Are pictures out? I'll look.
Very loud. I kinda like it. Pink lemonade summer party beach vibes.
@@time410s I am a Rafa fan. I am happy Babolat is releasing a Pure Aero with a Rafa spec. I will happily purchase one!
It's a sweet color scheme. Do you have several?
I bought last year's Raffa racquet and was going from an old aero that someone gave me the strings are more spaced out on last year's Raffa, and I've struggled with the control that I didn't have with the old racquet. The new 2023 looks like my old racquet, kinda wished I had waited or gone for something different.
It is not aboute dense only . What about strings lengths(less trampoline effect)and beam width? It is all about more controll
All of that definitely matters. I just think it's interesting that the supposedly more spin friendly of the two has a more dense pattern, especially when the head is larger and there's 1 less cross.
I think that's really surprising.
Hello nice video, for control and conform in the arm is better pure aero 100- 98 or Yonex Vocore 98 2023? Thanks
Hmm that's going to be really hard to say. Those are all very close. The new pure Aeros are more comfortable than before so it's all hard to say. I find the EZONE 98 slightly more comfortable and soft than the Pure Aero 98 but I know you didn't ask about that racket.
Maybe the VCORE... It's a tough call
Great video…. What is your present racquet of choice? Ciao. John
Pronto! Italian? Current... undecided but trying to settle on a denser pattern. 18x20 or maybe even 16x20.
I might try the pure aero 98 again actually!
@@time410s The Shift 300 strung with MSV Swift Comfort at 53 is working for me!
Very cool!
The pure aero 98 has a lighter head and that also contributes to giving greater spin, in addition the 100 has greater weight in the head which gives it less control and more power; Therefore for me there is no doubt: greater control and spin with the 98.
probably true. Don't you also think the more open pattern helps? It has more strings, yes, but I mean the strings are much more spaced apart in the sweetspot area as well. Much more string movement from the 98.
@@time410s Yes obviously, that also helps and added to everything I mentioned above, it gives it a greater spin potential.
Cool we're on the same page then.
98 has more strings at the very ends so those 2 additional strings alone can reduce the movements of the mains. may be thats why it is more open all around to compensate that. (it may also be the other way, can be tighter on the 100 to add some control which other wise can be unplayable racqet?) I am just thinking, all around homogeneous pattern can make it less demanding, no? I demoed the aero 100 and I never been sure where ball was going despite the tighter string on the middle. I have pure drive 100 and dunlop fxtour 98, both 16x19 but strings spacing almost same as pavs and pa100 that we are talking here, fxtour giving more control, pd giving more spin and power.
It's good thinking! I do feel though that far down away from the sweetspot, the string spacing there matters so much less for spin than it does right around the sweetspot where the ball might be contacting directly. It all matters, for sure, but less as you move away from sweetspot at least for string movement.
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what’s the difference between the 98 and the 2020 VS and is it worth the upgrade?
I'm going to get a side by side look sometime soon. Working on the reviews.
I feel the opposite... Not a fan of a tight 16x19. Makes sense wrt stringbed stiffness, but I just like a higher launch angle. Diadem Elevate is similar to Aero 98 pattern.
I get ya. I find i can go looser and still get that launch and spin but it's still a bit more tamed. I like that plus the durability of it
Totally forgetting the thinner frame of the 98
I passed over it but you are right.
Not sure why, my backhand is amazing with the 98 and forehand my best shot ok, and with the 100 it is the other way around. Also the 98 has a nicer feel where the 100 was a tad hollow for some reason.
I think it's that thicker beam for the hollow comment. As for the other 🤷
Perhaps it's the SW difference between the two, especially if you have a one-handed BH.
Have you tried the extreme tour auxetic? How do they compare?
I’m using the extreme tour auxetic with Grapplesnake game changer string
I have not, actually. But for me, I think I've already looked and the string pattern isn't what I'm looking for and when that's the case, I sometimes lose interest haha.
Wait so which one has more control? I watched it twice but you didn’t specifically answer which one produces more control. Babolat says it’s their 98 but studies from channels like yours say that the 100 was designed for more control.
Honestly the video is asking the question but not answering it directly. And from personal experience I can't say for sure just yet. I'd need more time. Certain things about both imply they have more control than the other so the point is to challenge babolat on their marketing a little bit as well as the conventional wisdom.
However, I might say the pure aero 98. Even with the more open spaced pattern, there is a slight reduction in power and trampoline effect from the extra cross string and smaller head.
I should try it again. It's a very good racket but I figured I'd pick the EZONE over it but now I think I might pick the 98. Long story but it makes sense 😂
what is the likeness to the 2013 APD?
It's honestly hard to say because it's not an easy racket to find and it's ten years older. I wish I could easily look at them side by side. Anyone that has the older one, though, could definitely compare with the new at a shop
@@time410s thanks for the response 🙏🏼. I have heard in other early reviews that they were similar. I Currently play with the 2013 french open, and am looking to test the 98 as a new main to preserve the 2013.
Very welcome!
APD 2013 to PA2023. Do you still have the 13?
Nooo, probably sold it like 8 years ago or something. I wonder how different these are in string pattern 🤣
@@time410s Please compare it if you have the chance. They seem really really similar. Comfortable edge to the 23 for sure though
Might be hard to come by one 10 years old but I also feel a little funny comparing because rackets do age and ten years of history on one racket will affect it a bit. The weaves break down quite a bit even in a couple years if you hit often and hard.
If I get a chance I'll at least do a side by side.
Thanks man, what’s your main racket now?
Seems to be the EZONE 98