The most asburd part of this dupsterfire of a scene is that they completely butchered her character. Isabela, a tough pirate, would NEVER give a single shit about pronouns and such.
Showing more skin doesn't increase sex appeal. Making breasts and buttocks larger and bigger while keeping the body moderately slimmer increases the appeal of sex of females.
Seems the ladies were right about personality making or breaking someone's perceived attractiveness. Because, personally, I saw her without witnessing the cringe that was the "bharve" or "barf", more like, and I thought she was hot. The moment I saw that, it was over.
"Pulling a bharv" is one of the dumbest things written in this game. If someone offended me and instead of genuinely apologising they started doing push-ups, I think it'd just make me confused or angry. Any growth and emotional maturity Isabela went through in 2 is non existent. Also this outfit is absolutely awful, it's clear Bioware are over sexualising her again and they've failed because it's just a really ugly outfit. And the lack of mention of Hawke if you romanced her? Sad. I think the lack of world state import is one of the biggest weaknesses of the game by far.
This is what happens when you let communists write a video game. They come up with retarded shit no one likes and then claim some kinda oppression when no one likes it.
The new bioware casually took a good looking character, took her clothes off and then managed to butcher her so much people wish she had a full plate armor.
@@MrBas-cu7dtIsabela at least is similar personality-wise, she'd be the one to pull a cringe eccentric side show instead of just apologizing. Morrigan was butchered and buired 45 feet under instead
Hawke doesn't exist in the Veilguard. Did anyone even mention its name at any point? I'm not even sure that the Warden-Commander (hero of Ferelden) is mentioned, despite stopping the 5h blight 18 years ago.
Anytime I've heard people talk about mis-gendering, they always said to just apologize, make the correction, and move on. Avoid turning it into a thing, and keep the initial topic going. Don't make them feel uncomfortable. The irony of this scene is that Isabela DOES make a big hash of it. She makes it about herself, and the conversation hardcore pivots. She's only focussed on making it look like she means it. Honestly, if you want to convince the person you mean it, just make the correction and learn from it. No need for displays. It's a simple mistake, and you didn't do it on purpose. You're apologizing because it's polite, not because you've actually wronged someone (unless it's deliberate).
I hate how they made a 50 year old dress like she was still 20. This outfit is more for a young rebel woman aspiring to be like Isabela and challenging social norms.
Well she's still that liberal hoe that challenging social norm for it's time, now it's time for gender war in dragon age universe, so she train her best to pull a bharv.. Because dark spawn is not a real threat for her, misgendering someone is..
Kinda disagree with that getup being anything like Isabella regardless of her age. It's definitely a younger styled costume. But it's Also in no way resembles a pirate...except for that ridiculous..loud.."pirate hat". But that style, peacock feathers in the back and all, looks more like something you'd see in a pride parade. Nothing like a medieval style dress, further still from a pirate, and nowhere close to Isabellas style besides.
The fact that Veilguard Isabela has less clothes on but is somehow still less attractive. Her outfit is so cartoonish it looks like she's about to go to a costume party or something.
@@RayoSombrio78 Thats not even the "main reason". If there is anything I learned about these people is not that they have the mental faculties of a tantrum throwing idiot baby. It is that they have absolutely shitty sense of fashion. More than half of these characters won't look half as bad if they "wore something else". Its really about 70% of the "uglifying." The remaining 30% is their uglified face and shitty hairstyle (if any) Also, by "wear something else" i'm including all the stupid accessories. Every single one of them. Not just their shirt and pants. If its a robot like that walking trash can from Concord. Its entire existence is "clothing". And as one would expect. It's entire existence is also shit.
Unfortunately, DA:O aged like milk when It came to graphics. it's surprising how more graphically beautiful 2 is despite the limited time and recicled assets.
@@awthorne9877 Graphics of a game should be the LEAST part of the game you look at when looking into playing it. I still play the shit out of old games like Morrowind, Daggerfall, M&B 1, and a ton of other old "classic" games simply because the story and gameplay are better. Anymore, gaming developers think making a game look good is the be all end all of a game, and that's where they fail.
@@ZHBraden13 Naturally, but I played the entire trilogy when It was priced 10€ on Steam this summer (I played before only Origins on the Xbox 360 when I was a kid) and I have to say that despite being one of the best RPGs I have ever played, when I replayed it I noticed that the graphics was a little outdated even for it's time, except the most important scenes. Aside from Sten model which didn't have horns for problems with wearing helmets; Denerim's market, most of the armors (especially the mages sets), Isabela's model and even Flemeth's are barebones. The game is great, I really enjoyed it but considering that Dragon Age II came out shortly after, the series made a serious jump in terms of graphics and characterization of both main and side characters.
@@awthorne9877 I've never played these games and I actually like the artistic direction of the first game quite a bit. Reminds me of the Witcher. Veilguard looks like World of Warcraft.
That entire conversation on the DA Veilguard makes me not want to buy the game even on a huge discount, speaking about non binary and other stuff like this in a medieval/fantasy world is just beyond me, they also nerfed her like hell.
You don't want to buy a game simply because they mention non binary? So you didn't buy Inquisition because there was a trans person in it? Or the fact you could be a lesbian or gay in Inquisition? Acting like Dragon Age has always been for straight men only, Veilguard has it's issues but if your reasoning is purely due to the fact it's got non binary characters then grow up...
@@omicronthelordofdestructio485i think the problem is the execution rather than the concept. Krem in Dragon age inquisition made sense given the context but the way it is handled here is just wrong. I haven't played the game so i may be wrong but i saw some clip where the protagonist accompanies a Qunari(?) companion to have dinner with what seems to be the mother and the companion says "I'm not binary" in modern slangs, while the mother tries to understand and uses actual terms from the setting(like the ones used by Krem). I tought it was some parody with voice over but it seems like that's an actual dialogue... Btw you could play as a girl and have a romance with a female character even in the previous games, not just Inquisition. Plus straight men and gay people have nothing to do with the discussion, why mention it? Please stick to the topic.
@@omicronthelordofdestructio485No because it's being thrown in our faces and lecture. People were gay,trans or whatever before but they never had to mention it or throw it in our faces there's a big difference.
@@omicronthelordofdestructio485 The problem is not about the pronoun or the woke culture. BG3 has a ton of that but everyone likes that game even me. It's THE WRITING that is dog-doo-doo. Putting the discussion of pronouns and non-binary in the conversation of medieval fantasy games shows how idiotic the writer is. Not to mention the game treats its players like a baby, they hold hands 24/7 to get even simple things done. Why don't you grow up and consume some better media for once and see what good food is really like before protecting mid-tier junk?
@@omicronthelordofdestructio485 Where did i say that i had any issue with having a trans person in DA? I just said that having conversations and using terms like nonbinary, misgender etc, that are very moderns terms in a dark medieval/fantasy world makes no sense at all, so you're the one refusing to understand why people dont like the game.
The fact that they're already working on ME5 means Veilguard is already a commercial success. This was their last straw, and if EA wasn't happy, Bioware would've gotten the axe. If it succeeded, then they would've gotten the green light to start working on Mass Effect
So, they took a strong, clever, independent female character who could hold her own 3 against 1 using her skills and brains rather than brute force to even the odds, have her speak bluntley and straight to the point like a true pirate, giving zero shits about anyone (even her own party members) for the sake of riches or personal gain, and had her make a whoooole fuss about misgendering someone???? This is the complete opposite of a strong "feminine" character, this is just character assassination for the sake of the writers petty politics. She wouldn't give two shits about pronouns and if she misgendered someone, she'd make a fun show of it by offering the person a drink and sharing stories of their adventures, not this retconned push up bull shit that is obviously just the dev writer complaining to the player "seeeeee, if u misgender someone, grovel at their feet and do ten push ups you shtupid bigooot!!!"
Character interactions in Veilguard in the last scene give a strong vibe of some woke teenagers' overnight jabber, not an RPG fantasy game storytelling.
Awh, would you look at that. Isabela pulled a Bharv for Arishok and he forgave her post mortum, so now she doesn't fidget around a qunari like a fox caught in a chicken coop. How nice that everyone can get along after all
Haha bharv for Arishok that cracked me up :D That face would have been priceless. haha This whole scene would not be possible, if I could bring my save where I let the Arishok take her.
Isabela has literally never been feminine. She has always had a very stereotypically masculine energy to her because she had to. She had to get stupid men to take her seriously.
Most people just use "femininity" to mean "Female attributes I like" and the same for "Masculine" with men. There is no expectation for a pirate to "Provide and Protect" for example - Which is a core function and value of traditional masculinity. It is also not an all-encompassing binary. Antisocial behavior is not gendered for example. This includes antisocial behavior that specific sexes have a tendency for like "nagging." Nagging is female associated behavior but not "feminine" behavior. Calling "female behavior I dislike" -> "Masculine" and vice versa is also really stupid. Particularly since it could very easily lead to boys and men adopting antisocial female behavior as "masculine." Old school Isabella was "badass" but limiting her to "feminine" vs "masculine" is silly. Particularly since its applying social expectations on an outlaw to society.
You know the team is fucked when they *try* to sexualize a conventionally attractive character and fail so hard, that work from nearly two decades ago is still seen as better.
wait.... THATS ISABELA!?!?!?!? WHAT HAPPENED TO HER!? I had NO idea they brought her back and THIS is what they did? do I want to see what they did to the others....?
Pulling s Bharv sounds like something a Discord Moderator would make someone who broke the rules do to not be kicked out of the server. This would never go down in a medieval setting
As other have mentioned already, they somehow made Isabela more scantily clad in Veilguard and less sexy at the same time. It's like she just came back from New Orleans but forgot to dress down from attending Mardi Gras.
Isabella in dragon age 2 was so beautiful, in fact there are people say that she is the most beautiful one in the dragon age franchise, Even her look in the dragon age origins was cute but they made her beautiful and dragon age 2 and for some strange reason she doesn't look as good as she did before and she is even showing more skin, her outfit in dragon age 2 I thought it was awesome cuz she look like a real pirate... But I think the reason why she's not as attractive and people say shame interesting as she was before has nothing to do wish you looks.. I think it's her role of identity politics,... I will never ever understand how Bioware allowed identity politics into the video games, we deal with politics every single day we have to hear about it almost every single day, we play video games to give us a break from reality, and we enter like a fantasy world, most gamers don't want to do without identity politics, I think that's one of the main reasons why this game flopped... I have a top five favorite games of all time two of them is dragon age franchise and the Mass effect franchise it was games that I was counted today to play them but I always wait to for the reviews and once I heard about the maiden non-binary character I have no urge to play it anymore because I'm afraid that I'm not going to like the game, I'm not saying we should never put identity politics into games but if by were wants to do that why not make a game or a franchise that's based off of that I will have absolutely no problem and maybe even support it if they want to make a game on the side, so if there's people out there that are gamers and want to deal with that in a way then they have the option of playing those games instead of fixing something that's not even broken... I apologize for this comment I know we went to a different direction and I'm sorry it's just never been disappointed in a video game now the silver lining to dragon age vanguard as a failure The company of BioWare decided and not going to do any DLCs on it and inside they're going to now completely focus on the next Mass effect game, that she's a favorite franchise it would be Mass effect particularly Mass effect 2 while the closed distance with Mass effect 3 and Mass effect, and Mass effect A wasn't a bad game, it was going against Rex expectations were so high that if you didn't have the original cast chances are it wasn't going to be as good and I do like the game
Wait you have to pull a Bharv even if you eat the last biscuit on a plate? Got to leave it for the special character even though they didn't call dibs.
Never played either of these games but it's obvious to me the original two games were written by talented people. Men most likely, with a sense for sharp wit and actual charm. While veilguard was obviously a far more, let's say, colorful writing staff at best. The marvelization of the dialog is insufferably on full display.
Bellara: What if they mean it when they say they're sorry, though? Isabela: Some people mess up and *get all dramatic*. They make it about them. Literally Isabela seconds ago: Pulling a Bharv Bharv - ...you sweat a little. Makes you think a little more. Shows the other person you mean it. Me: its [Bharv] called being dramatic X.x The irony escapes the DEI writer :/ I can agree with the part that some times people just want to apologize haphazardly just to move on from the ordeal but there are also other times where the apology is sincere and you can feel it and not for nothing Isabela's apology doesn't feel sincerely at all, if anything it felt that she just want to get the whole ordeal over with and think it makes things square when she just do some pushups and sweat a little.
You can tell half of these comments haven't played Inquisition where Hawke is in it and is able to die in the fade if the player chooses too. so no wonder they chose for Isabela not to mention them in Veilguard.
unrelated but "Can't anyone fix their lives around here" was just so dry but also funny out of nowhere 😭 There's a lot of opportunity where Veilguard dialogues could be naturally hilarious but they all missed it. idek why. it's like the writers are gonna throw a joke out there and immediately go "wait dial it down for the kids" and you get a half-assed delivery instead which makes you think "is that supposed to be funny?"💀
If the Warden is female and in relationship with Liliana, and accepts Isabella’s offer with Ohgren in the party, his eyes roll back and he passes out right in the bar. Great scene.
I only have 2 wishes 1- close Bioware so we never see shit like this again 2- remake for the first dragon age but we don’t want the current Bioware to touch it
Is it just me or is that "apology" insulting? I get the point of meaning that you are sorry for an accident, but that looked like she did push-ups (in a rather poor form) and that was it. No explanation until pressed and she was the only one to know what it meant. I also think she dodged the what if the person meant the apology by saying that it felt grandiose and about the offender and not the victim despite the scene later showing a sincere apology that wasn't about the offender. This felt fake and like writers don't have life experience. Sad to see
Ok. WOW. I remember the quest with Dragon Age Origins Isabela and I have a complete disconnect with the Origins and Dragon Age 2 version hahahahaahahahah. 2/Inquisition Isabela are the only ones that matter IMO. I've watched quite a few Veilguard videos and did not realize that was Isabela. At all. Why is she dressed like a tart from the summer isles?
'they' doesn't even make sense in that sentence. Maybe if SHE wasn't right next to Isabela while she's telling Taash's story it would be acceptable. note to DA writers: They means group of something or past tense of someone. As Taash looks like a 'mighty' warrior, i'd assume she can stand up for herself. This just makes her character weak.
DA2 for the win... also am i the only one who finds her armor in DAVS more similar to a shitty Brazilian samba costume than a pirate outfit or something
Why do I get the sense that DA2 to Veilguard are just railroaded games? I loved Origins and the DLC. For some reason DA2 didn’t attract me enough to play it. And neither have the others.
BioWare, i remember so well the days i created my own levels with Neverwinter NIghts, putting armor and weapons in places that made it so i could cheese the game. The game was just about single player fun. Then i bought Dragon Age for the PS3 with some good story's and adventures and i didnt feel the need to cheese any of it (nor could i on the PS3 but nevermind that). I felt like i wanted to take on that challange and the game rewarded me with companions and story's and skills. I never finished Dragon Ago 2, it just wasnt on par but still a good game. Now there is this dumpster fire, like.. where is the fun? where is game? This just mentally hurts.. parents should educate their children, games should not invade that space. Let games be games for fun. If BioWare was my company i would of been proud 15 years ago. This however isnt something thats made for gamers. My brain wanted to die on itself watching this, what kind of game director okays this?! I completely understandable if they go bankrupt.
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Look how they massacred my girl
I think she aged fine. The part where they use her tho...
Best girl
G-G-Girl?! That’s part of a binary! Drop and do 1,000 barves!
@@xavierhouston4650 No it's fine to say girl. Isabella identifies as a girl. Hope this helps :)
@@a.trance6997except for the part where her big fat milkers mysteriously vanished. Nah man, she got uglified.
The most asburd part of this dupsterfire of a scene is that they completely butchered her character. Isabela, a tough pirate, would NEVER give a single shit about pronouns and such.
she likes sexual deviations so im not that sure
You clearly didn't she feels bad and don't fuck if you are taken same with Zev.
Old Isabella would steal their money and laugh in their face if pronouns were mentioned.
All Isabela would say is this. "Hey as long as you know who's pants you want to get in and where yours are...any port in a storm mate"
@@MrApoorvaSingh753 mmm I don't see the correlation
She shows more skin but somehow doesn't look better than DA2
Despite what idiots online like to say, making a sexy character is about more than just showing skin
Showing more skin doesn't increase sex appeal. Making breasts and buttocks larger and bigger while keeping the body moderately slimmer increases the appeal of sex of females.
@@quatreraberbawinner2628 Nah the models in Veilguard are just ugly and bad
she's like almost 50 in Veilguard so uh...
Seems the ladies were right about personality making or breaking someone's perceived attractiveness. Because, personally, I saw her without witnessing the cringe that was the "bharve" or "barf", more like, and I thought she was hot. The moment I saw that, it was over.
"Pulling a bharv" is one of the dumbest things written in this game. If someone offended me and instead of genuinely apologising they started doing push-ups, I think it'd just make me confused or angry.
Any growth and emotional maturity Isabela went through in 2 is non existent. Also this outfit is absolutely awful, it's clear Bioware are over sexualising her again and they've failed because it's just a really ugly outfit. And the lack of mention of Hawke if you romanced her? Sad. I think the lack of world state import is one of the biggest weaknesses of the game by far.
This is what happens when you let communists write a video game. They come up with retarded shit no one likes and then claim some kinda oppression when no one likes it.
They even made her say it ten times. Go count it
"You must complete your mandated humiliation ritual for someone who isn't there, how else will we know you're truly sorry?" - Totally not a cult
The new bioware casually took a good looking character, took her clothes off and then managed to butcher her so much people wish she had a full plate armor.
full plate armor is hot af tbf.
@evazinz9755 In DA origins she has full plate and she's hot, I agree.
@@evazinz9755the less you see, the hotter they look.
@@buggart In my opinion. Yes, but only if they lose the metal plate.
By which I mean, fully covered in cloth.
Fun fact- In origins, if you're playing as a female character romancing leliana and accepting isabela's offer with leliana,ohgren will faint.
Gonna have to play the game again just for that
I love how they just showed middle finger to Hawkes that romanced Isabela. He/she cannot even be mentioned. Disgusting and disrespectful.
You think that's bad? Morrigan straight up acts like Kieran and HoF never exist
@@MrBas-cu7dt They do not sadly. There is the worst cannon story in veilguard.
@@MrBas-cu7dtIsabela at least is similar personality-wise, she'd be the one to pull a cringe eccentric side show instead of just apologizing. Morrigan was butchered and buired 45 feet under instead
If ya think that then ya havent seen his death choice in Inquisition.
Him or Loghain.
Hawke doesn't exist in the Veilguard. Did anyone even mention its name at any point? I'm not even sure that the Warden-Commander (hero of Ferelden) is mentioned, despite stopping the 5h blight 18 years ago.
Anytime I've heard people talk about mis-gendering, they always said to just apologize, make the correction, and move on. Avoid turning it into a thing, and keep the initial topic going. Don't make them feel uncomfortable.
The irony of this scene is that Isabela DOES make a big hash of it. She makes it about herself, and the conversation hardcore pivots. She's only focussed on making it look like she means it. Honestly, if you want to convince the person you mean it, just make the correction and learn from it. No need for displays. It's a simple mistake, and you didn't do it on purpose. You're apologizing because it's polite, not because you've actually wronged someone (unless it's deliberate).
When writing sucks
That's what you get when games don't actually know the audience they're aiming for lol
I hate how they made a 50 year old dress like she was still 20. This outfit is more for a young rebel woman aspiring to be like Isabela and challenging social norms.
Oh shit.... I almost forgot that she's 50 or almost 50 y.o. in DA2 she's about 35-40 yes?
Well she's still that liberal hoe that challenging social norm for it's time, now it's time for gender war in dragon age universe, so she train her best to pull a bharv..
Because dark spawn is not a real threat for her, misgendering someone is..
why making these stupid boundaries? shes still her in her 50s the fuck
Kinda disagree with that getup being anything like Isabella regardless of her age. It's definitely a younger styled costume. But it's Also in no way resembles a pirate...except for that ridiculous..loud.."pirate hat". But that style, peacock feathers in the back and all, looks more like something you'd see in a pride parade. Nothing like a medieval style dress, further still from a pirate, and nowhere close to Isabellas style besides.
If flemeth in DA2 can show her boobs in 6-7x Isabella can too,
The fact that Veilguard Isabela has less clothes on but is somehow still less attractive. Her outfit is so cartoonish it looks like she's about to go to a costume party or something.
They uglified all women in that game.
@@RayoSombrio78 Thats not even the "main reason". If there is anything I learned about these people is not that they have the mental faculties of a tantrum throwing idiot baby.
It is that they have absolutely shitty sense of fashion.
More than half of these characters won't look half as bad if they "wore something else". Its really about 70% of the "uglifying." The remaining 30% is their uglified face and shitty hairstyle (if any)
Also, by "wear something else" i'm including all the stupid accessories. Every single one of them. Not just their shirt and pants.
If its a robot like that walking trash can from Concord. Its entire existence is "clothing". And as one would expect. It's entire existence is also shit.
@@leila13dnd fake Egyptian clothes and a comical pirate hat. How is that a good design?
Dammit she deserved a pirate coat and some pants
Stage 3 Francis Drake from fate grand order then?
NO, "panties only " is her signature .
@@Raximus3000 Hahaha, looks like someone at Bioware like too much japanese gacha, yes.
wait that's isabella i thought it was some rando... bruh...
My same reaction when I saw that scene for the first time.
I also thought it was someone else until someone else mentioned it was her... They totally butchered her character
@@zellrang totally unrecognizeable...
I hope Bioware finally shuts down after this dumpster fire
Apparentely, first they need to ruin even mass effect, then they'll close, or at least I hope so...
@@alessandrogarofalo9951yeah mass effect 5 got greenlit, probably will be the final nail in the coffin
I'm not even sure they're run by the same people we knew and loved. They probably got replaced by DEI hacks and baboons
@@Become-Eggplant it is, i saw article the people that worked on veilguard will migrate to work on mass effect, they canceled the DLC for failguard 😂
@@CopingDoom you got to be joking andromeda was already bad they don't need to bucther it again
"Devolution" for Failguard.
Deagradation or vandalism is more appropriate since this is nothing like how she was visualy and character wise.
I miss when dragon age characters spoke with a bit of flair and didnt just sound like college students
Origins is the best game but Isabela peaked with DA2
Unfortunately, DA:O aged like milk when It came to graphics. it's surprising how more graphically beautiful 2 is despite the limited time and recicled assets.
@@awthorne9877imagine DA2 graphics and combat with DAO RPG depth.
@@awthorne9877 Graphics of a game should be the LEAST part of the game you look at when looking into playing it. I still play the shit out of old games like Morrowind, Daggerfall, M&B 1, and a ton of other old "classic" games simply because the story and gameplay are better. Anymore, gaming developers think making a game look good is the be all end all of a game, and that's where they fail.
@@ZHBraden13 Naturally, but I played the entire trilogy when It was priced 10€ on Steam this summer (I played before only Origins on the Xbox 360 when I was a kid) and I have to say that despite being one of the best RPGs I have ever played, when I replayed it I noticed that the graphics was a little outdated even for it's time, except the most important scenes. Aside from Sten model which didn't have horns for problems with wearing helmets; Denerim's market, most of the armors (especially the mages sets), Isabela's model and even Flemeth's are barebones. The game is great, I really enjoyed it but considering that Dragon Age II came out shortly after, the series made a serious jump in terms of graphics and characterization of both main and side characters.
@@awthorne9877 I've never played these games and I actually like the artistic direction of the first game quite a bit. Reminds me of the Witcher. Veilguard looks like World of Warcraft.
I totally forgot that she looked so different in orgins since I always play with the mod that replaces her with her updated look
That entire conversation on the DA Veilguard makes me not want to buy the game even on a huge discount, speaking about non binary and other stuff like this in a medieval/fantasy world is just beyond me, they also nerfed her like hell.
You don't want to buy a game simply because they mention non binary? So you didn't buy Inquisition because there was a trans person in it? Or the fact you could be a lesbian or gay in Inquisition? Acting like Dragon Age has always been for straight men only, Veilguard has it's issues but if your reasoning is purely due to the fact it's got non binary characters then grow up...
@@omicronthelordofdestructio485i think the problem is the execution rather than the concept.
Krem in Dragon age inquisition made sense given the context but the way it is handled here is just wrong.
I haven't played the game so i may be wrong but i saw some clip where the protagonist accompanies a Qunari(?) companion to have dinner with what seems to be the mother and the companion says "I'm not binary" in modern slangs, while the mother tries to understand and uses actual terms from the setting(like the ones used by Krem).
I tought it was some parody with voice over but it seems like that's an actual dialogue...
Btw you could play as a girl and have a romance with a female character even in the previous games, not just Inquisition.
Plus straight men and gay people have nothing to do with the discussion, why mention it? Please stick to the topic.
@@omicronthelordofdestructio485No because it's being thrown in our faces and lecture.
People were gay,trans or whatever before but they never had to mention it or throw it in our faces there's a big difference.
@@omicronthelordofdestructio485 The problem is not about the pronoun or the woke culture. BG3 has a ton of that but everyone likes that game even me.
It's THE WRITING that is dog-doo-doo. Putting the discussion of pronouns and non-binary in the conversation of medieval fantasy games shows how idiotic the writer is. Not to mention the game treats its players like a baby, they hold hands 24/7 to get even simple things done.
Why don't you grow up and consume some better media for once and see what good food is really like before protecting mid-tier junk?
@@omicronthelordofdestructio485 Where did i say that i had any issue with having a trans person in DA? I just said that having conversations and using terms like nonbinary, misgender etc, that are very moderns terms in a dark medieval/fantasy world makes no sense at all, so you're the one refusing to understand why people dont like the game.
I wish BioWare a very happy bankruptcy. Maybe their IPs can go to a studio that is more capable of giving them the love they deserve.
Hand 'em off to guys like THQ Nordic. They seem to do a fairly good job. Or better yet, the guys who did Stellar Blade.
Dragon Age 3 by Larian Studios
The fact that they're already working on ME5 means Veilguard is already a commercial success.
This was their last straw, and if EA wasn't happy, Bioware would've gotten the axe. If it succeeded, then they would've gotten the green light to start working on Mass Effect
The game has sold over a million copies in two weeks so they're not going to file for bankruptcy, bro.
@@scarlette_rot nah that's well below expectations for a AAA title. This is EA and they've killed better studios for less.
So, they took a strong, clever, independent female character who could hold her own 3 against 1 using her skills and brains rather than brute force to even the odds, have her speak bluntley and straight to the point like a true pirate, giving zero shits about anyone (even her own party members) for the sake of riches or personal gain, and had her make a whoooole fuss about misgendering someone????
This is the complete opposite of a strong "feminine" character, this is just character assassination for the sake of the writers petty politics. She wouldn't give two shits about pronouns and if she misgendered someone, she'd make a fun show of it by offering the person a drink and sharing stories of their adventures, not this retconned push up bull shit that is obviously just the dev writer complaining to the player "seeeeee, if u misgender someone, grovel at their feet and do ten push ups you shtupid bigooot!!!"
Character interactions in Veilguard in the last scene give a strong vibe of some woke teenagers' overnight jabber, not an RPG fantasy game storytelling.
Dragon Age: The Agendaguard
Awh, would you look at that. Isabela pulled a Bharv for Arishok and he forgave her post mortum, so now she doesn't fidget around a qunari like a fox caught in a chicken coop. How nice that everyone can get along after all
Haha bharv for Arishok that cracked me up :D That face would have been priceless. haha
This whole scene would not be possible, if I could bring my save where I let the Arishok take her.
@@kukurydza007 of course they didn’t read the scripts.
@@craiglee3048 right. they only saw the ending from inquisition.
Sad to see Bioware turning into this...
They took her femininity away in Veilguard
Isabela has literally never been feminine. She has always had a very stereotypically masculine energy to her because she had to. She had to get stupid men to take her seriously.
@@professorwright1428 baby, she was feminine. Hope this helps.
@@professorwright1428 You obviously have no clue what feminine means.
@@EllanaWolfI think you don’t.
Most people just use "femininity" to mean "Female attributes I like" and the same for "Masculine" with men. There is no expectation for a pirate to "Provide and Protect" for example - Which is a core function and value of traditional masculinity.
It is also not an all-encompassing binary. Antisocial behavior is not gendered for example. This includes antisocial behavior that specific sexes have a tendency for like "nagging." Nagging is female associated behavior but not "feminine" behavior.
Calling "female behavior I dislike" -> "Masculine" and vice versa is also really stupid. Particularly since it could very easily lead to boys and men adopting antisocial female behavior as "masculine."
Old school Isabella was "badass" but limiting her to "feminine" vs "masculine" is silly. Particularly since its applying social expectations on an outlaw to society.
*"Devolution"*
Why did they remove her curves?????
Isabella in DA:O and Da:2 : a sexy, strong, and badass swashbuckling-pirate.
Isabella in "the failguard: "I'm bharving, alright.'
You know the team is fucked when they *try* to sexualize a conventionally attractive character and fail so hard, that work from nearly two decades ago is still seen as better.
What they had done to Morrigan wasn't any better either, my no.2 girl in Origins, Leliana still takes no.1 for me.
wait.... THATS ISABELA!?!?!?!?
WHAT HAPPENED TO HER!?
I had NO idea they brought her back and THIS is what they did? do I want to see what they did to the others....?
No, you really don't.
I'm with you on that one, but don't investigate any further or you'll be even more disappointed.
She "woke" up after ten years of sleep.
... Time to see myself out.
Everytime I see her DATV outfit, it reminds me of the Blue Bird Parade outfit that Linda wore in Rio...
IF you are real man of culture, you must burn DVD with "Dragon Age: The Veilguard" in holly fire, do not fear of the devil, devil approved
theres women too you know
Can't even sell it for a decent price. No seriously, people tried.
@@vladbush1464They were smart enough not to buy this game.
That last bit got a few points for consideration and doesn't exactly make me want to Bharv, but Maker's breath does it feel forced.
Pulling s Bharv sounds like something a Discord Moderator would make someone who broke the rules do to not be kicked out of the server. This would never go down in a medieval setting
I wanna see Taash try and fit into Isabela's Veilguard outfit.
Nobody needs to see that.
As other have mentioned already, they somehow made Isabela more scantily clad in Veilguard and less sexy at the same time. It's like she just came back from New Orleans but forgot to dress down from attending Mardi Gras.
the DA 2 is more likely close to Isabela
They've been reduced to almost nothing; no doubt Isabella has some top surgery scars.
Disgraceful what they have done.
Изабелла любит привлекать к себе внимание, но купальник и павлиньи перья на заднице это перебор. Даже по ее меркам.
A cool character to a pawn of the alphabet mafia.
Theyre not even mafia.
Just ignorantly eel.
more like a cult
They somehow made her outfit more “problematic” in VG. How is that possible bruh she has a gold bikini now tf?
Isabella in dragon age 2 was so beautiful, in fact there are people say that she is the most beautiful one in the dragon age franchise, Even her look in the dragon age origins was cute but they made her beautiful and dragon age 2 and for some strange reason she doesn't look as good as she did before and she is even showing more skin, her outfit in dragon age 2 I thought it was awesome cuz she look like a real pirate... But I think the reason why she's not as attractive and people say shame interesting as she was before has nothing to do wish you looks.. I think it's her role of identity politics,... I will never ever understand how Bioware allowed identity politics into the video games, we deal with politics every single day we have to hear about it almost every single day, we play video games to give us a break from reality, and we enter like a fantasy world, most gamers don't want to do without identity politics, I think that's one of the main reasons why this game flopped... I have a top five favorite games of all time two of them is dragon age franchise and the Mass effect franchise it was games that I was counted today to play them but I always wait to for the reviews and once I heard about the maiden non-binary character I have no urge to play it anymore because I'm afraid that I'm not going to like the game, I'm not saying we should never put identity politics into games but if by were wants to do that why not make a game or a franchise that's based off of that I will have absolutely no problem and maybe even support it if they want to make a game on the side, so if there's people out there that are gamers and want to deal with that in a way then they have the option of playing those games instead of fixing something that's not even broken... I apologize for this comment I know we went to a different direction and I'm sorry it's just never been disappointed in a video game now the silver lining to dragon age vanguard as a failure The company of BioWare decided and not going to do any DLCs on it and inside they're going to now completely focus on the next Mass effect game, that she's a favorite franchise it would be Mass effect particularly Mass effect 2 while the closed distance with Mass effect 3 and Mass effect, and Mass effect A wasn't a bad game, it was going against Rex expectations were so high that if you didn't have the original cast chances are it wasn't going to be as good and I do like the game
6:32 cracked me up 🤣
hey you like dragon age? well heres dragon age but with all the dragon age taken out of it and in its place we put just more dustborn dialogue
Bro when I 1st saw this scene weeks ago. I didn't realize this was supposed to be my girl Isabella. Which make this scene so much worse.
The hell?! That's the same Isabela in Origin?!
And Dragon Age 2.....Look how they massacred her.
No, this is Veilguard. This isn't Dragon Age.
It's like Veilguard had the same director of the Star Wars prequels, always sitting and talking. Sitting and talking.
Wait you have to pull a Bharv even if you eat the last biscuit on a plate? Got to leave it for the special character even though they didn't call dibs.
Never played either of these games but it's obvious to me the original two games were written by talented people. Men most likely, with a sense for sharp wit and actual charm. While veilguard was obviously a far more, let's say, colorful writing staff at best. The marvelization of the dialog is insufferably on full display.
Bellara: What if they mean it when they say they're sorry, though?
Isabela: Some people mess up and *get all dramatic*. They make it about them.
Literally Isabela seconds ago: Pulling a Bharv
Bharv - ...you sweat a little. Makes you think a little more. Shows the other person you mean it.
Me: its [Bharv] called being dramatic X.x The irony escapes the DEI writer :/ I can agree with the part that some times people just want to apologize haphazardly just to move on from the ordeal but there are also other times where the apology is sincere and you can feel it and not for nothing Isabela's apology doesn't feel sincerely at all, if anything it felt that she just want to get the whole ordeal over with and think it makes things square when she just do some pushups and sweat a little.
In Veilguard, you can be anything except a beautiful woman
You can tell half of these comments haven't played Inquisition where Hawke is in it and is able to die in the fade if the player chooses too. so no wonder they chose for Isabela not to mention them in Veilguard.
The real problem is that none of the females have "chesticles/ breasts", and when they introduced those with them, they just got rid of them.
unrelated but "Can't anyone fix their lives around here" was just so dry but also funny out of nowhere 😭 There's a lot of opportunity where Veilguard dialogues could be naturally hilarious but they all missed it. idek why. it's like the writers are gonna throw a joke out there and immediately go "wait dial it down for the kids" and you get a half-assed delivery instead which makes you think "is that supposed to be funny?"💀
They really didn't care anymore did they? She said a Bharv was a "quick ten".... but she only did 5....
Poor Isabela, Veilguard is such a shit
Bioware is cooked lol, this is awful.
Origins: strong start. DA 2: expectations skyrocket. Veilguard: Crash and burn..... -.-
Da2 Isabela is the only Isabela I ever need.
And that my friends is how political bullshit ruins gaming.
Keep. It. Out. Of. Gaming.
Game went from foursomes to After School Special. What a ride! 😮💨
If the Warden is female and in relationship with Liliana, and accepts Isabella’s offer with Ohgren in the party, his eyes roll back and he passes out right in the bar. Great scene.
Veilguard armor design is ugly
Hell is seeing what you could have been and realizing you are not even their shadow.
I find it funny that there’s now only 1 Asian in existence within Dragon Age.
She used to have a personality as a normal person, now she's a cultural idol.
Character assassination has become more of a literal it seems.
Pulling a Bharv reminds me of incentive training in the military lol. Pain...retains! 😂
Push up is not a pulling exercise. It's a push exercise.
I only have 2 wishes
1- close Bioware so we never see shit like this again
2- remake for the first dragon age but we don’t want the current Bioware to touch it
I have played Veilguard and I didn't even realize this is that Isabela...
You can literally be anything but a woman in veilguard
*Devolution
the "WHERE ARE THEY?!" had me rolling
DA2 was the best she looked.
Is it just me or is that "apology" insulting? I get the point of meaning that you are sorry for an accident, but that looked like she did push-ups (in a rather poor form) and that was it. No explanation until pressed and she was the only one to know what it meant. I also think she dodged the what if the person meant the apology by saying that it felt grandiose and about the offender and not the victim despite the scene later showing a sincere apology that wasn't about the offender. This felt fake and like writers don't have life experience. Sad to see
It's a humiliation ritual... like a cult.
Ok. WOW. I remember the quest with Dragon Age Origins Isabela and I have a complete disconnect with the Origins and Dragon Age 2 version hahahahaahahahah. 2/Inquisition Isabela are the only ones that matter IMO.
I've watched quite a few Veilguard videos and did not realize that was Isabela. At all. Why is she dressed like a tart from the summer isles?
Bro I didnt notice it was Isbela! XDDDD I saw this like 5 times
pounding the one eyed snake in the nose... actual middle schoolers
Dragon Age The Veilguard just wtf
'they' doesn't even make sense in that sentence. Maybe if SHE wasn't right next to Isabela while she's telling Taash's story it would be acceptable. note to DA writers: They means group of something or past tense of someone. As Taash looks like a 'mighty' warrior, i'd assume she can stand up for herself. This just makes her character weak.
DA2 for the win...
also am i the only one who finds her armor in DAVS more similar to a shitty Brazilian samba costume than a pirate outfit or something
Why do I get the sense that DA2 to Veilguard are just railroaded games? I loved Origins and the DLC. For some reason DA2 didn’t attract me enough to play it. And neither have the others.
I only knew of her in DA2 and I'm still a little salty she left with the relic.
I am also non buyanary
How far does this nonsense have to go before people wake up?
Until every line is crossed.
Well, I mean this bs helped get Trump in office. So I guess the time is nigh.
@@Vespyr_Damn.
yeah they went and made her full middle eastern
They did the dragon armor some disrespect. It's a wonderful armor in this game (origins) and mass effect 2.
Dayum, I played Dragon Age Origins Ultimate numerous times, didn't strike me Isabella was there... 20 years of stupidity lol...
I don’t remember meetings her, but that was 15 years ago
Whats flatter Veilguards dialouge or Isabela's chesticles...the dialouge, by far.
I am a girl, but I also think: what a dumbster.
I REALLY don't understand why Isabela never used a proper clothes after D.A.O....
I remember male Hawk could go have sex with one of the male elf after a quest. That was so funny.
BioWare, i remember so well the days i created my own levels with Neverwinter NIghts, putting armor and weapons in places that made it so i could cheese the game. The game was just about single player fun. Then i bought Dragon Age for the PS3 with some good story's and adventures and i didnt feel the need to cheese any of it (nor could i on the PS3 but nevermind that). I felt like i wanted to take on that challange and the game rewarded me with companions and story's and skills. I never finished Dragon Ago 2, it just wasnt on par but still a good game.
Now there is this dumpster fire, like.. where is the fun? where is game? This just mentally hurts.. parents should educate their children, games should not invade that space. Let games be games for fun.
If BioWare was my company i would of been proud 15 years ago. This however isnt something thats made for gamers.
My brain wanted to die on itself watching this, what kind of game director okays this?!
I completely understandable if they go bankrupt.
More like Darwinism.
WHERE ARE THEY!! 😂 😂 😂
I hope everyone gets fired after this
Pulling a bharv? More like Throwing up Barf!
She now just looks like Junkerqueen skin from OW.