Gypsy was relieved to be in prison, she finally had a stable environment, gained weight, started getting healthy, grew her hair. Do i really need to say more about why someone would prefer prison to their home-life.?
I dont see any evidence put forward that she lacked empathy in any way, on the contrary, she never wanted her dead, she wanted her to stop and just be a normal mom. So ending up thinking this was the only way, just fits with her very limited perception of how the world works. She had seen time and time again, how Dede could manipulate people, and even when she learned she probably wasnt as sick as she thought, she still didnt have the mind capacity to figure out that simply showing the neighbors she could walk, could be her ticket out, cus it would have been enough to make them see Dede was lying constantly... But she believed Dedes threats that no one would believe her if she tried to tell she wasnt sick, and she was terrified of angering her, according to evidence. I believe if she hadnt found someone to do it for her, she would never have been able to carry it out.
Hi Dr. Grande, I simply love each of your videos. I find it extremely interesting to listen to your observation and discussion of each subject. This is a very disturbing case. God Bless ( South Africa)
N * I guess they are talking about the show The Act that is about that case. Gypsy has stated that it is not very realistic and that she’s disappointed that yet again, the media has sensationalised and exaggerated this case
gypsy was poisoned poked prodded kept a prisoner used manipulated and disrespec5ed her whole life...operated on even. this poor woman has already suffered. set her free!!!
Absolutely. But she should get help to be reintegrated into society. She probably has no idea abuse isn't normal, because that's how her mother conditioned her. She needs to work though all the emotional scars her mother inflicted.
Agree. I think that happened because of the country she lives in and the fact they still have the death penalty in some states. If she was in a more liberal country I think she'd have been placed in a psychiatric treatment facility then released when her condition improved. Unfortunately American society isn't very compassionate about things like this. I do believe her mother would have stalked her if she escaped and the system failed to protect her from an abusive parent.
@@dirkjensen969 Charles Manson and Clyde Barrow did not kill the people who were inflicting the mistreatment. They inflicted abuse and murder on people not associated with them. Gypsy Rose was legally controlled by her mother who used drugs and mental abuse to control her. I think a big difference.
"...it is important to note that sometimes when people are slowly hurting other people, this is viewed much differently than if they're quickly hurting people. We know that both types of harm are morally wrong and legally wrong..." Once again Dr Grande you've called out a killer hiding under the bed. You must NOT stop telling it like you see it, please. For myself and my 9.5 ACE score, hearing you call out the demons I have wrestled alone for so long is comfort, knowledge and encouragement, the likes of which I can hardly articulate. Thank you and please keep yourself well!
The KNOWING doctors are COMPLICITE in this debacle. Watch out for these doctors. There's a whole lot of bull going on. EVERY ONE OF THEM WERE PAID FOR THEIR TIME!!!
Yes let's randomly blame everyone a little bit. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's blame the doctors who, when the mother came in and said "She has X Y and Z wrong with her....." and the doctor found out she did NOT, didn't take the poor girl into a private room and say...."tell us what's going on..." That is not the 'whole system," that is a doctor's JOB.
That poor girl suffered enough. I think she should be set free and put on probation and get therapy. Her father is in her life again and hopefully will be supportive. I think women who are in domestic abuse situations can kind of understand what this girl was feeling. Being trapped being kept away from friends and family with daily or weekly physical emotional and mental abuse.It’s a very scary and lonely place to be.
@Kat LaBash....Exactly. People do not "get" it about domestic abuse. I've wondered often where her father was in all of this from Day One...He claims he just "believed what DeDe told him." Why would he????? In the next breath he said "One of the reasons he divorced her was because she was a pathological liar who wrote fraudulent checks? " One would think the man would have at least gone to some of the doctor's appointments with his own daughter who had been "diagnosed" with so many illnesses. I'm glad he is there for her now but I hold him partially culpable along with Gypsy's doctors.
I'm glad you said domestic abuse. Domestic abuse is so much more than just domestic violence. A person alienating their spouse's friends and family members is domestic abuse. As is controlling the finances of the spouse and other similar behaviours.
In the documentary 'Mommy Dead and Dearest' she says she feels hurt and horror at her mother being killed and looking back she realises she could have contacted her Dad and got him to rescue her and then sought possible things like therapy and legal action for her mother.
I do think there should be a different law for ppl the law and system have already failed. It's not like someone who kills for money or an argument. And for kids you really can't just go to the police. They rarely believe children and even if they do they have to investigate and that takes time and triggers their abuser to become even worse .
This case always baffles me. The Blanchard family lived in my hometown, and they were constantly in the limelight. People were always going above and beyond to make Gypsy feel special. I remember watching a segment on the local news about them, and thought: "Wow! That's so awesome that everyone is stepping up to help this poor girl."" Literally, we all bought into the lie.
Yea and Gypsy went along with it very well .. she actually wanted to .. She had choices and made the choice to try to kill mom , keep scamming , and get a boyfriend, except the police was smarter than her .
This is one of my ”pet” cases (for lack of better words, I don't mean to minimise the case or offend anyone) and another interesting aspect is the fact that her parents and relatives claim that Dee Dee committed fraud, wrote bad checks and committed petty theft years before giving birth to Gypsy Rose, so she allegedly had issues in the past with lying and law breaking. Another allegation has to do with her supposedly poisoning or in some way causing the death of her own mother if I recall correctly. I'm not sure there's any evidence for this but it's interesting nonetheless. Paints quite a picture of Dee Dee (if true) even before the abuse of Gypsy Rose. Thank you for another great video as always Dr. Grande.
Dee Dee's family thought she was awful. I read somewhere that none of them wanted to pick up her ashes. When someone finally did, they flushed them down the toilet.
Deedee isolated her sick mother from everyone else and may have starved her to death. She was poisoning her stepmother by putting roundup in her food, but she survived.
I do think some punishment for the murder was in order. Life, no. Ten years , eh. I think a bit shorter. I believe both Gypsy Rose and Nick would have benefitted more maybe being in a mental health institution. If Nick has to serve life, to be life in a mental health institution. You have two very unique people, unique circumstances that does not fit the one size fits all justice system. I too am very torn. Gypsy has been abused all of her life and her mother definitely could have ultimately have killed her as she kept telling her father she wouldn't make it to her 21st birthday. Usually the other 90% that do live are because the parents have been caught and their children taken from them. The 10% are the ones who continue to get away with the Muchausen by Proxy, and that's why those children die. Those who scream she should have life are those who have ZERO idea what it's like to be abused by another person. They have no idea what it's like to be someone else's prisioner. And they have zero idea on what they would do if they were put in that position.
I think it’s also important to point out that someone doesn’t have to fear death to necessarily inflict death on their abuser. Just the fear of the abuse and torture itself is enough to drive someone to the conclusion Gypsy did. There was a case of a teen boy who was being molested/raped by a trusted adult family friend for years, and one day the boy snapped and stabbed his abuser 30+ times to death. He was not in danger-he never feared for his life. But he feared the abuse. There are worst things than death.
As a mother I totally understand why she did what she did. That woman would have never let her go, she had to be forced to. Her mother definitely brought that shit on herself
MSP is a severe case of child abuse. I cannot imagine what Gypsie Rose had to go through. At this point I feel it was self-defense. The caretaker usually seeks attention. You could say they are the ultimate narcissist. Thank you 🙏🏾 Dr Grande
wow, she isn't much older than me. I was born in 1994. My heart breaks for Gypsy because of all that her mother put her through. that's just awful. Great video Dr. Grande!!
~ thank you ~ i find nicolas godejohn's current situation equally as inhumane as grb's decade sentence. i think it's one of the most egregious mis-/over-uses of lwop i've seen ~ & lwop, itself, deserves reëvaluation & recodification as the abusive punishment it truly is, in a tremendous number of cases. the current american desire for relentless retribution with nary a nod to rehabilitation scares me. in a case like this one, again, overwhelmed by so many cruel, unusual, & terribly sad extenuating circumstances i think it particularly appalling.
I've investigated several of these types of cases, involving young victims. I've always wondered what kind of impact being the victim of this type of abuse could have on their mental health later in life. Gypsy's case definitely gives us a prime example of an extreme impact. Thank you for another great video Dr!!!
Yes it's all about how much money you have and who can tell the biggest lies!!! The system is a joke. Where is common sense. The people that condemned her should be treated like her and then let's see if they hand down that sentence! Fools
Let's be clear: She's in jail for killing someone. But in this country, a fancy lawyer can keep you out of jail for many kinds of crimes. It's awful that that is the way things are.
When I knew she was submitted to unnecessary major surgeries that lessened her life spam and thought of all of those years being gaslighted, I truly believed she deserves mercy.
Having watched and read so much about this case I’m confused as to what would be right or wrong in regards to Gypsy. For what happened to her at the hands of her own Mother my heart goes out to her. Hearing her give evidence in the court hearing was quite chilling. She did mastermind her Mother’s murder, and admitted it was her idea. The knife was stolen by her from a trip to Walmart (I think that’s where it was) and she hid it in her wheelchair. However, I find it very hard to believe Gypsy didn’t feel under constant threat, even if it wasn’t imminent threat, that deep kind of fear is pervasive and all encompassing. What concerns me is that Godejohn came across as very simple minded with mental health issues that required treatment, and I think Gypsy also requires a lot of treatment and assistance in assimilating into normal human society. I do feel she manipulated Godejohn to a degree to commit the murder, but possibly due to trauma she had endured. The question that remains in my mind is - was the life sentence without parole on Godejohn fair considering his mental status? Argh, I’m so confused with this case and so torn with compassion yet justice for all. Thank you Dr Grande for this absolutely intriguing video. I was going to request this one! Happy Day Doc ☺️
Her mom literally had her healthy teeth pulled, and all those life saving medications are painful. It was a lifelong torture. Her life was in danger everyday because her mom would never stop forcing her to go to the doctor
I have a lot of empathy for her boyfriend Godejohn. I believe he should spend the same amount of time or possibly a little more than Gypsy. Life is not fair in this case in my opinion.
THANK YOU! My biggest issue is no one seems to care about godejohns fate. She manipulated him into loving her, masterminded the idea, and she only gets a decade while he gets life no parole? This man felt exactly how we feel about gypsy and was getting first hand accounts and probably witnessed it. At the very least they should of gotten the same sentence (imo 15 to life with parole chance after 10)
Dr. Todd, I was raised by an abusive mother with the ability to look “normal” on the outside while causing injury and terror at home. During my childhood I was constantly in fear of being killed. Once the person you expect to protect you has shown their willingness to damage you physically, and especially if they seem to lose all reason when doing so, you are ALWAYS afraid. In my case I was also told that nobody would believe me and frightened away from seeking help for myself. I was so afraid of the consequences should I attempt to run away and fail, that I never tried to leave. I fully believe that Gypsy Rose was similarly always in fear for her life. Her mother’s apparent control over her and willingness to expose her to harmful and invasive medical treatments, along with the testimony of her mother’s temper and ability to punish her for extensive amounts of time no doubt heightened her fear of what would happen should she attempt to escape and be caught by her mother. Furthermore pregnancy would not have ensured her freedom as it might have simply given her mother another soul to torture. We must remember that at the time most outsiders (including the law) thought she was still a minor due to her mother’s’ lies about her age. Because of all of this I believe she truly believed that she was always in imminent danger and that nothing short of the death of her mother would secure her freedom and survival. The Facebook notes were words of relief that her abuser was unable to get to her anymore. I therefore do not believe she should have gone to jail. I am sure that she will always feel glad/sad about the death of her mother because when your abuser is the one who is also your caregiver things can get muddy. Every now and again they will be nice, rewarding your “good” behaviour, sometimes they will care for you when you are sick, making you believe they care, but that only serves to confuse and hurt you more because your life is one of living in fear of their anger and their moods, of their issues and the abuse that they dish out so easily. You never know what will please them or trigger them so you’re always afraid and on edge. Gypsy Rose has my deepest empathy and I hope she has found a good psychologist to help her deal with the burdens she no doubt bears. I hope she finds emotional and psychological freedom from her past, including the fact that she had to kill her mother to save her own life. I do not think it was easy for her to reach that conclusion. I have been seeing a really great psychologist for several years now and I am finally feeling free, so I can now talk about it, and live a life free from the shadow of it, but the memories never leave you.
Yes I agree at self defence but society cannot tolerate self defence we don’t really have a structure in the law that adequately takes account of someone’s fear of another human being this is domestic violence on a grand scale starting with a little baby. This is terrible we really have to address this really have to change The way the law interprets abuse and self defence and the powerlessness of the abused
Penny Thpmas A person’s mental capacity is important in these cases of murder, though. Trauma alters the mind in ways that can completely deter from a mentally stable person’s mind. We can’t just look at the logistics of a murder case-we have to look at the psychology behind it, otherwise we run the risk of punishing those who just needed psychological rehabilitation.
I think people that have a close and loving relationship with their mothers have a harder time understand that a daughter killed her mother. As someone who had an abusive mother can understand how scary the situation can get, and hopeless you feel to ever be free
I'm so sorry you had to endure abuse. It's hard to fathom that a mother could abuse the very person they're supposed to protect. I will say that it is BECAUSE I have a close relationship with my mother that I really feel for people who weren't afforded the same experience. It's just so unfair. It is unfathomable that a mother could hurt her child, especially to the extent that dee dee abused gypsy. Gypsy did not deserve prison time imo. She had already suffered enough. What she really needed was intense therapy to recover from the trauma she endured.
@@katies.8555I think it is much more common that people think sadly. Many mothers have mental health issue or personality disorders and specially the latter makes them very susceptible to abuse their children. Mental health services are in most countries in the world very difficult to access and/or are very expensive. That is even if the mother does have self awareness, which most do not. The people around her never think she can do such horrible things and they do not protect the children enough. Some children do not stand a chance, their mothers ate too evil. For example: Elisa Izquierdo's mother, Nixzmary Brown's mother, Baby Brianna's mother and sadly so many more.
I believe that Gypsy wasn't too sure about how her mother would react to her pregnancy-plan. If she became pregnant, maybe she believes that her mother would force her to abort it, and after that tighten the grip around her even more; I believe she knew that this would probably not end well, and only result in more abuse. The only way to be sure was to kill her mother. There would be no more abuse then. The mother abused Gypsy by drugging her, letting her go through painful medical procedures that was totally unnecessary, hit her with a coat hanger, Gypsy had lost several teeth, did not receive schooling, was denied normal contact with the world - where should she learn about developing a moral compass? And not to mention how Deedee portrayed Gypsy as mentally retarded, someone you could not take seriously. That is severe, and life-altering. No one would come out of that with a straight head on their shoulders. I think Gypsy should go free, also receive compensation for ALL the failings from society, and her pretty disgusting jail sentence. What moral and modern country puts a severely abused child in prison with common criminals. Ach.
Or the mother would have lied that Gypsey was not able to care for a baby and take the child as her next victim. A whole new life to get her claws into. Maybe after a few pre and post childbirth dramas.
Interesting topic. I believe Gypsy felt she had no other choice. The lifelong abuse from her mother, her having the relationship with the guy, which Gypsy is said to not have really loved, (but where did she learn love in her life?) And the boyfriend should have gotten a lighter sentence too. If she would have run away with the guy, she truly believed her mother would have caught them, and she was obviously deathly afraid of her mother.
Thank goodness she didn't opt for her alternate plan to get pregnant while her mother was still around. Both women would have had the opportunity to inflict harm on another innocent.
I agree re: Nick. I don’t think he deserves life when you take into account his mental health. Neither of them had the insight needed to fully grasp the depth of their actions.
I don’t think Nick should’ve gotten life either. He’s mentally ill but I’m not convinced he’s necessarily dangerous. I think if he had never met Gypsy Rose he wouldn’t have ever killed anyone. I feel like he really thought he was rescuing her from her mother. I’m not condoning this at all and the way he did it and his actions after are callous and he clearly knew it was wrong and did it anyway. I think he deserves a harsh sentence but not sure about life. I’m also not entirely convinced of Gypsy’s mental capacity and innocence. I feel like she’s smarter than she lets on and manipulated Nick to escape her situation. I doubt she spends much time regretting that her mom is dead but I think it’s more disturbing that she probably doesn’t spend much time regretting Nick is in prison for life either.
As a victim of abuse myself, I understand what it’s like to believe theres no escape and the need for desperate action to make it stop, and I wasn’t abused nearly as bad or as long as Gypsy. I can’t imagine how desperate she was.
This case breaks my heart so much, and it bothers me that Gypsy is locked up. DeeDee abused her for her entire life, in twisted ways and while it is true that DeeDee was also probably very sick, and I think Gypsy/Nick should have outed her lies to the public, report her to the police, or any other solution other than killing her, but Gypsy was so abused ad fearful that she didn't see another option at that time. Nick also of course shouldn't have done it, and of course I do think he needs help being that he went along with Gypsy's plan so easily ... But he also had mental issues I believe, and I he knew that Gypsy was being abused, and in his mind I think he was just trying to be the knight in shining armour to save Gypsy. But I definitely don't think Gypsy should be locked away, maybe in mandatory therapy, or having frequent check-ins or whatever, but I think the abuse she's suffered is enough, she shouldn't be going through more.
The psychological damage to one's own character is arguably worse than any form of "single event abuse". The way it shapes you if it is from birth and by one's own parent goes so deep and is probably in many ways irrepereable. And what was her father doing?!
Her father believed she was ill and that her mother was the only one who could care for her. Since they were divorced and, while he was involved in his daughter's life, he didn't live with them he couldn't see through Dee Dee's lies. Also he was younger that her (he was 17 when Dee Dee got pregnant with Gypsy Rose, while Dee Dee herself was 24) so he probably trusted her to know what's best.
Such a wild case. It’s indisputable that Dee Dee’s murder was premeditated, but Gypsy suffered 23 years of abuse. She tried to get away multiple times, but every time the mother brought her back and punished her severely for her. Gypsy will need so much help settling into the real world. Every aspect of her life has been controlled, first by her mother, then my prison. She had never had any agency, and the only time she exercised her agency was when she killed her mother. She has never experienced the world like we have. And she never will, it will always be tainted by her upbringing. I hope she is able to build a life for herself. I worry that she will he susceptible to people who will use and abuse her, because that is the dynamic she has always known. I can only hope it is making medical professionals aware of this kind of abuse and making them rethink the treatment of some of their patients
What an unbelievable, grazy and horrible case. Always very interesting in the way you talk about it. Thank you for putting many of your time in thinking and making this video Dr. Grande.
Such a very sad situation, I agree that gypsy deserves mercy... What's very disturbing is how her mother was able to avoid Punishment ....but then she was murdered...she was killing her daughter...I agree with you Todd. Thank you!
That mother mentally, emotionally and physically abused this girl all of her life. How people didn't see this, and why doctors didn't follow through to rescue her is beyond my ken. Who knows what threats this mother made to her throughout her lifetime. I think she felt desperate to escape this abuser and did what she had to do. I don't blame her and she has suffered enough. Add the current jail time to the number of years she was in prison hell with that mother and let her go free as she has served more than enough time....being free is something she has never known in her entire life. Thank you for analyzing this case...it needed to be done!
@@Leanne_w She was drugged up, underfed, abused mentally, emotionaly, physically, feared for her life, was forced to lie and maniplulate, was isolated from society, and only being taught right and wrong from her horrible mom. Do you think you're going to react to that situation any better? Ppl who say stuff like this obviously have know idea what is to truely be scared for your well-being, to fear what your abuser might do next, or thinking about how they're going to kill you.
@@meikaaa9042 Also yes I do know what it’s like to feel fear. You have know idea what I’ve been through. I’ve been through both physical and mental abuse. My ex tried to murder me & I was pregnant to him I lost my baby. So who are you to say that I’ve not been through things?
Unless you've been abused (in any way) especially over an extended period of time, you could never understand. Remarking that the abused can "just leave" is so insensitive. It happened to me twice, through relationships. The second one lasted longer and left a stain on me. You don't know how it feels and I can't accurately describe it either.. But it's almost like a dark rain cloud, bursting with thunder, bursting with lightning and raining hail, then someone says.. "the sun is just on the other side.. reach for it." They make it sound so easy and maybe it should be.. But when you're mind has been infiltrated, there's nothing your physical body can do. I mean, sure, logically I know the sun is there, I've seen it before, but I don't know if I can make it through the storm. I'm trying to stay dry but the rain seems endless. So then I begin to doubt if the sun still exists. I pray that whomever may read this, continues to live in ignorant bliss.
I identify with what you said. Currently living under coercive control. He alternatively kind then cruel. He threatened to get my ex after me. I still feel unable to leave or trust him. I'm codependent and I feel helpless to say or do something to help myself. The fear is really real and often nobody believes the victim! The abusers are great at working the people around them to believe that they're great people. Even if I say something nobody will believe me.. he's a great liar and has threatened to throw me into prison. So many abuse victims feel really really trapped.😢😢😢
@@Simplicityandkindness This happened to me too. How he lies to people about you and turn them against you. He would do things like open the door for me and take the grocery bags in when people were watching, "own up to his mistakes", but behind closed doors it was different. Psychological control doesn't leave bruises/evidence and, again, most people just think, "Why didn't you just leave"? I couldn't do it alone, and ultimately needed help. I strongly suggest you get help too, to be as safe as you can. A crisis hotline, family, or whoever. I know, I know, I know, it's A LOT easier said than done. And even after you leave, there's a recovery process, especially for the paranoia. But you can do it. Be firm and make sure he doesn't find out. Don't warn him or drop any hints. Nothing. And just go.
Very educational video, I had always wondered what Eminen was saying in one of his songs when he claimed to be a victim of Münchausen Syndrome, AND he HATED his mother. I"m a 30+ year attorney (my parents are both medical doctors) and I find that your legal/psychology analyses are EXCELLENT in all of your videos.
She is a.victim of narcissistic abuse. Look up what that does. Most either end up narcissistic which can definitely be dangerous and others with post trauma and that also can be dangerous. She needs treatment.
I think she would have been much better off in a long term mental health facility until she was deemed stable enough to be integrated back in to society. She’s likely getting little to no help in prison.
@@PermaVirgin Yes, exactly! I've been to a facility like that and it was horrible but it would still be better and a much more appropriate placement than prison, which will likely traumatize her more.
Could you do a video on the difference between Mental Illnesses and Personality Disorders? I was reading about one trial where the defendant was said to have a personality disorder, not mental illness, so couldn't be institutionalized, but had to go to prison. Why is that?
I am quite disturbed by the sentence and mental health of the boyfriend. There is of course huge consideration for Gypsey Rose but I am really disturbed at her ability to manipulate the boyfriend. There are so many things to consider in this case and just how THREE lives were mangled by the mother - not just two.
Right, what about her boyfriend who was persuaded to kill because he loved Gypsy so much. Why is he forgotten and will rot in jail until his death. Glad I am not the only one with thoughts of him. I do think Gypsy got a proper sentence but, not so sure her boyfriend did. Best regards, Lee
Honestly I think they should do an examination on Gypsy's mental health state whenever she's released. People who go through extreme abuse are never *normal* and can become monsters. Look at most serial killers for example. A lot of them went through abuse/trauma to a much lesser degree and they don't exactly turn out wonderful. Just because she's a woman doesn't mean Gypsy can't be manipulative or do harmful things. I'm also not comparing her to a killer, rather as an example because how the brain grows/or doesn't grow can make a big impact. The amadyla for example can be effected and that's the part of the brain that effects how we feel empathy. I'm not trying to be mean, just realistic...
I've never comfortable with the 1st deg & life without here. I think the multiple personality was real. Add that to level 2 autism, & throw in the unreal & unique situation of the girl he fell in love with. He stated you have to ask Victor. I highly doubt anyone else would ever have asked that, & with treatment ot could be dealt with. The 2 meeting was always going to end bad. But in hindsight I u stand why she ,& him though this was only way out. Entire system failed her.
@@womenturneddeadly Nick also had a lower than average IQ which apparently could have also effected him. I feel like there's a double standard here between Gypsy's outcome and Nick's outcome.
This was super interesting, thank you! Can you also make a video on Schofields who appeared on Dr. Phil? She is also frequently related to Münchausen Syndrome by Proxy.
The Schofields used to live in the same city as we did in Valencia/Stevenson Ranch, CA area, (we have since moved), however I would see her at the grocery store and around school, etc. I can tell you, in person she was very strange! Tons of anger and very aggressive woman...like beyond normal. Drill-Sergeant type parent.
@@marys3127 she accused Dr. Phil of editing the show to a point which makes her seem like a crazy person. I almost believed her because Dr. Phil is definitely over the top dramatic. But I've read some posts on forums about this woman, and now I read yours which is similar, so yes, there is definitely something going on with her.
I was thinking the same thing! I know doctor Phil isn't everyone's cup of tea but if you've seen Susan's old videos and behavior... It's concerning to say the least.
I really feel for this girl and for the amount of abuse she had to suffer in order for her mom to get money and trips. You know it must have been pretty bad when a family member is asked what to do with DeeDee’s ashes, and he says, “Flush them!”
2 things. Isn't it matricide when someone kills their mother? And Dede's family believes she killed her own mother. Her own mother was very manipulative. Then Dede becomes even more manipulative and the detectives who interviewed gypsy believe she is also manipulative. It's a very strange family tree
Didn't she use Godejohn to do the deed (murder by proxy)? Shouldn't his mental issues have been taken into account before sentencing him to life in prison without the possibility of parole? There is also the question as to how much a victim Gypsy was and how much a willing participant in a lucrative joint enterprise with her mother. To her credit, as a witness in Godejohn's trial she's quite honest and open about her role in deceiving the public.
Richard Ward-Jackson Richard Ward-Jackson if you ask me, he did the world & Gypsy a favor by killing her. I also look at Dee Dee like the world would look at someone who abducted/stolen a kid because that’s exactly what she did; she held Gypsy prisoner & stole her entire childhood, teen hood, & part of her adulthood. This whole situation is so horrible & personally I think DeeDee got exactly what she deserved. Now if Gypsy was someone else’s child & this women stole her childhood like she did with Gypsy & held her prisoner, but at some point was able to kill her then in that hypothetical scenario they wouldn’t have gone to jail, but because DeeDee didn’t actually take this child from someone else EVEN though she did the same crime, which is essentially stealing this poor girls childhood. Ugh I really hope she can get an early release & get the therapy she so desperately deserves!
She was "honest" because she had immunity, she could never be tried for the murder. It's also questionable of how honest she was, and furthermore she seems to have complete impunity no matter what she says because it's all attributed to her abuse. When they were first arrested, she immediately started lying, she first claimed she didn't know anything then she claimed he did everything. If anyone was honest all along it was Godejohn, who immediately confessed and basically took the blame. I have no problem with her sentence but the discrepancy between their respective sentences is outrageous: they both should've gotten the same sentence (for the same crime): either life no parole or ten years, both of them.
@@staceyherald7953 She targeted him, she recruited him, she framed him. She is a healthy adult who could've killed her mother herself, but she preferred he do it for her, and then tried to dump it all on him, and succeeded. Why did she go on facebook, pretending to be him, claiming she was raped, which she was not, and suggesting she was kidnapped? Why did SHE mail the knife to HIS house? She planned the murder, she financed it, she got the knife, she pressured him, she covered it up. She is arguably more guilty than him. She's a grown ass adult with a normal IQ, he's an autistic guy with the mental age of a ten year old. And just FYI, prisons are full of people who were abused, many worse than Gypsy. And lets not forget the reason he killed her mother, whose name he didn't even know, was to save her, so why is she viewed as a victim but the guy who tried to save her is viewed as a monster? No Gypsy no murder. So before you go around calling people mental you should recalibrate your moral compass.
Isn't it there in the books that munchausen is a form of narcissism? My narcisstic wife does the same with our son, he's always sick for one reason or another - that gives grounds for a lot of drama, presents opportunities for the mother to be a hero, allows the mother to stay at home and do nothing, and everything that a narcissist likes so much
Whoah! This sounds very likely. But could it also be a product of histrionic personality disorder with some psychopatic traits ofcourse? There could be some comorbidity here too. At least that's what i have in mind. Because in the case of Gypsy Rose the mother didn't just stay at home, she needed an audience to validate her and actively searched for the right one. She needed the attention and empathy of others. So sad for the little girl.
I kept thinking the same thing when I heard about what Dee-Dee did to Gypsy Rose. Her daughter was an object, a tool for attention and praise - nothing more. And that's how a lot of kids of narcissists get treated. Not always to this horrible extreme, but it's the same basic symptom, where people are just a means to an end. That poor girl. I mean, I thought my mom was bad. She was, but damn - this is some next level narcissism. Actually, I wonder if Dee-Dee was a psychopath. That level of cruelty and conning and manipulation - just....damn. ETA: I'm so sorry your son is the victim of this. I hope you can find your way through this labyrinth, and help your son and yourself.
Things are not that dramatic, of course... But stuff like allergy, stomach seizures, irregular breathing keep popping up. The closest case was jaundice that she invented and even convinced a doctor to diagnose it and prescribe a medicine, while the reason for the child's sickly complexion was the lack of sleep prior to her visit to the doctor (bilirubin check showed the child was ok). She likes to control a helpless person, and enjoys idea of being a saviour of the child. But when it comes to actual sicknesses, the task of giving medicines makes her very forgetful...
My mother was like your wife, nothing too extreme, just liked me being unwell and exaggerated every tiny symptom I had and for similar reasons that you have mentioned. It does make it confusing when you are an adult trying to understand how sick or well you are, I have a lot of fear come up when I am not well, anxiety that I may be sicker than I am and it gets really hard to address health issues as I am terrified that it is the worst case scenario for my symptoms and start to get debilitating panic attacks.
Again Dr GRANDE is the best and most interesting to listen to ! I was diagnosed at 17 with bipolar 2 and shades of schizophrenia so these videos help me understand the circumstances that happened with negative actions and how to better assess negative feelings and situations for myself and others in very depressing or delusional family or public settings and in life. Dr grandes unbiased approach is the best and most professional o have seen to date! Keep up the good work !
Hi Dr. Grande great content. Could you cover narcissism in families specifically mother daughter relationships would love to hear your informed opinion! How to deal with toxic family relationships. Etc ... that would be great !!
There is a way to continue talking with toxic family members, while also keeping yourself safe. But you need to figure out the distance, and balance. For example, my mom lives in another state, so thankfully I don't have to worry about intrusions. But I do allow talking over fb (messenger/video chat) but I won't allow it, if I can see that I'm being roped into something I shouldn't be pulled into. (like fighting, bitching, or anything negative!) All I have to do is shut it off... See what I mean? It's perfectly understandable to pushed away, if the people around you are not good for you. Take care of yourselves!
One of the interviews I saw of Gypsy , she was afraid that her mother was going to try to convince doctors to start amputating limbs. Her mother would eventually have killed her, if that would’ve gotten DeeDee more attention. Remember the DeeDee’s own family suspected that DeeDee starved her mother to death and of poisoning her stepmother, although the stepmother survived. I think the sentence was fair. She did conspire to commit murder, and provided Godejohn with the means & equipment to commit the murder
Baffling case no doubt , and to see Gypsy is engaged now in prison ..: It’s sad to see what she went through ... and I think truly the best place for her now would be a psychological hospital for 10 yrs instead of a prison.:. As I worry when she gets out she may have issues in society as she was so abused mentally and physically
I agree - I wish it had been a psychiatric hospital too. She's gonna need so much help to recover. This seems like the first time she's been allowed to grow up, and it's so sad that it's in prison.
The mentally ill still have a conscience. It is inherent in every human being. The conscience however can be seared with repeated offenses contrary to it. Those who have seared their conscience should still be held accountable and responsible for crimes which they commit. Did the mother sear Gypsy's conscience? No. Humans still choose evil with consciences intact.... Her conscience may not have been seared at all. However, when a human has a seared conscious it is precipitated by series of mindful, conscious and deliberate choices to act contrary to the conscience. What about the sociopath or psychopath who is seemingly without a conscience? We cannot quite pinpoint where the seat of the conscience is. Is it the mind? The soul? There is evidence of a genetic cause for these disorders. However, think also of brain plasticity....on the physical plane the brain has the capacity to become malleable and bent in a certain direction through a series of choices which become a pattern of thinking. That pattern alters the brain. This is one way the conscience becomes seared. Does culture influence conscience? Certainly. The culture whether familial, tribal or religious is the incubator for the conscience. We know there are cultures and tribes which have been extremely violent, blood thirsty, ruthless, or incestuous and in which rape is tolerated. Do we excuse their crimes? We know that oftentimes perpetrators of child abuse were themselves abused. Do we excuse their crimes on other innocents? Gypsy's mother is accountable for her crimes. And Gypsy must be accountable for what she chose to do with the life she was born into. As with us all, our path in life is a series of choices we make as to how we deal with the circumstances we encounter every day of our lives.
She so does not need to be engaged right now. I don't get what her obsession is with love. It can't save her from all the horrible things she went through. She needs to work on herself first, not expect a guy to fulfill her
I don't think murder is wrong in some cases. Most people have a slight concession to this notion when talking about explicit cases of self-defense, but I think that can be too restrictive. If a victim of perpetual abuse genuinely has no viable escape options, which can be the case when a guardian is the abuser and is in good standing in the community, I'm in favor of premeditated murder. There are too many situations where authorities have returned children that escaped to the abusive parent for me to accept the notion that our justice system is reliable enough for escape to be a viable option. I consider it likely that if she had reported her mother to local police, they would have dismissed her story, called her mother, and sent her home to her abuser. If she was able to report her mother at a precinct that wasn't local, things might have gone differently, but they probably would have contacted her local precinct and ultimately accepted the idea that she was too ill and to properly understand her situation. Basically, I think her mother was actually right in saying that the police wouldn't believe her. I'm not saying that it should be legal to murder people that are hurting you, but half of all murders go unsolved. If the police were (or would have been) complicit in that abuse, then I have no problem with murder of abusers being part of that half.
Exactly, because dozens if not hundreds of people in the social system did nothing. Gypsy endured this through out her entire childhood. By the time she was 3 she was already indoctrinated into this hell, and didnt know what normal was. So everyone could fail her, but she takes the entire rap for their failures too. I have no sorrow for that mother.
She was horrifically tortured. I think she should have been offered treatment. Her whole value system was warped as a result of these intentions and actions of her mother.
I dunno. I agree law and order is important, but I think Gypsy Rose should've been given a sentence in a psychological institution that works towards integrating people back into society, if they can rehabilitate. I know we can't have people going around murdering their parents, but really...if someone was going to murder their parents and then use the Blanchard case as precident they'd have to establish proof that the same extent of abuse had been occurring...and in the event the murderer *was* being abused, wouldn't mercy be a better course of action? I mean they will have suffered at the hands of those who ought to have loved them the most and their psychology was such that they couldn't think of a different recourse. I think that special cases ought to be made in the case of dependent abuse. They ought not to be freed entirely, but they ought to be placed into therapy and rehabilitated so they can live better lives upon their release. As it stands now Gypsy Rose is gonna be dumped, when she's in her early to mid thirties just as neuro-elasticity is starting to decline, into a world that she has only experienced a teeny tiny portion of as her own free agent. Like, that ought to be considered cruel and unusual punishment IMO
Hello Dr. Grande!! 😊 I’m glad you had done a video of this case. She’s coming up in the news again because she is being set free. I was researching what this story was about .. anyway, I’m glad I saw one of my favorite RUclipsrs covering this. Be well.
I think that she didn’t realize the consequences of their actions because they just left Deedee’s body right on the bed and left paper trails everywhere. She honestly thought they could live in Wisconsin.
yes because she never had proper education or any other inputes on life other than from her mother. also another part of the abuse, she was a teenager/then adult raise as a child
I am really sad for the boy friend. Poor guy had no money for a high price lawyer but was manipulated to the max by a real con artist. I hope his sentence gets reduced
Completely agree. Its really upsetting that he got a life sentence. The poor guy has a disability and mental illness. I think he was easily manipulated and thought he was rescuing Gypsy.
A perfect storm. I'm still blown away that doctors, officials (age discrepancies) and teacher's did not push for deeper questions and answers. Thank God there wasn't chemo but hair loss from chemo and a shaved head look entirely different. All of these mandated reporters wondered but didn't force the issues? Even with Dee Dee changing locales there should have been searches for applications to access State or Federal benefits. At some point Gypsy, through conditioning and threats, became a party to these deceptions with her performances playing into her mom's deceptions. I also believe that Nicholas was manipulated into participating. Gypsy needs jail- or parole based long-term treatment. If you look at video of Gypsy's behaviours as a juvenile and teenager, some of her " performances" on TV are good but not consistent with a person with developmental disabilities and partial paralysis. I DO believe that she was, or felt trapped. She was failed thoroughly by all those who were around her that should have been questioning, especially family members, teacher's and doctors. Although it was not in her mother's interest to kill her, the chance that Gypsy could have died under her "care" was very great.
Such a sad case. I think you present compelling arguments. Various court cases set precedents for other cases and most would prefer that those who commit murder or those who conspire to murder not go unpunished. I am concerned about her ability to function in society after the extensive abuse. I hope she receives lots of effective counseling and does not get exploited in the future. It is sad that she apparently saw no other feasible options to improve her life.
She saved her mother until the end even though her mother tried to kill her all her life also robbed her of developmental milestones and happiness/ so sad
Hello Dr. Grande, thank you for the video. I have heard of this case and it sickens me what the daughter endured. It is hard to imagine what she went through, growing up in such an atmosphere. I understand and agree with your comment about balancing compassion and law and order. In my opinion she doesn't deserve jail time but she does need extensive and mandatory therapeutic care. Without the proper support, she could end up being a danger to society because of her upbringing. So, supervised, mandatory therapeutic care would help her and help to protect society. Just my thoughts. Thank you for another interesting subject!
I cannot tell you how impressed I am with your speaking abilities. Here you are in continuous streaming with few edits and just really well-spoken. I also noticed you don’t use filler words, which blows me away. That takes skill. Great work.
I got so much out of this video. The consideration you give is phenomenal. What a world we would have if our justice system were as reasoned and loving as you.
I always appreciate your take and opinions and how you are careful to weigh in that we are on the “outside” of these situations therefore must be careful when possibly getting slipped up in diagnosing, especially if we have clinical background....on the topics and cases you cover and I thank you for your effort and time. I’ve learned a lot from you and your videos and I’m certain others have as well. Take care Dr.T 😊🔆
Thanks for your input on the case. I agree that compassion is needed, but whether or not she is a danger to those around her in the future depends on treatment and therapy during her 10 yrs in prison. Her perspective may be off.
Yes, I was just thinking this. She has come from an environment where manipulation was a survival technique, she needs to suffer consequences and receive appropriate therapy or it could perpetuate unhealthy behaviours/schema.
I grew up with a mother who had MBP. She used me for years; as an excuse, as a means of getting feedback and martyr-like hero status, and as a diversion from dealing with her own childhood trauma. It started with an actual, organic illness and I believe that attention sparked off her MBP. I say this because I had older siblings who were relatively healthy. But, a small physical issue of mine landed me in the hospital and off to the races she went. I am the baby of my family and I have wondered if her need to feel needed, knowing I was her last shot, also played a part? Her ruse had me, and my family, entirely convinced that I was sick. Like Gypsy, I was put through procedures and given meds. But, ironically, because my father was also mentally ill and needed me to be the superstar... his need for me to go to school (or get home hospital school) and be something he could brag about often clashed with my mom's need to keep me trapped and sick. It caused strife. Ultimately, I was just a pawn for their stories...not a child with an independent identity. Had social media been a thing in my childhood; it's likely my mom would've done more for financial gain. But, even still, even with everything...I think we're underestimating Gypsy and her own manipulations. Kids of MBP parents learn to manipulate and go with the flow. I spent years in therapy trying to discern what manipulation was because, in my house, manipulation was the only language spoken. I literally didn't know when I was being manipulative until it was pointed out. I also had weird concepts of death. If you're listening to someone tell you that you're going to die soon for 16 years, it sort of feels like death is easily defied. It's possible Gypsy couldn't see death as permanent. However, I came away from my experience with an absolutely abhorrence for child abuse and self-aware that this disease of MBP was somehow coded upon my DNA. When one of my children was hospitalized, I felt so scared that I would fall into the same trap that I literally told every nurse and doctor that my mom had had this disease and I was terrified that I might fall into that pattern. I even thought about terminating my own parental rights because I didn't want to be the person making choices for my child...just in case. But, with the help of a fantastic hospital staff and education, after five years, my child came out blessedly healthy and vibrant and hasn't had long term health issues. I share all of this just to say... I feel bad for Gypsy. But, there's also a bit of personal accountability that she needs to understand and work on...no matter whose fault it is that she has these issues. To live a full life, outside jail, she's going to need intense retraining.
@Jonathan Edward 80% of my says jail is an appropriate place and 20% is skeptical. I think jail put her in a safe place, from the standpoint of it not being a place where the system is going to pay for unnecessary medical procedures. She'll get/has received a full medical workup and I'm sure hearing from an outside source that she's healthy is good for her. I think the structure and space to transition from an isolated, dependent child to a mature woman is beneficial...however, I think she may have gained more from a facility that would've offered her a program based on mental wellness. I worry, however, that jail will only expose her to others that are manipulative, self-centered, and dangerous...that's not ideal for someone who goes in with a warped perspective on truth.
I guess what makes me uneasy about this case, is that Gypsy strikes me as just as manipulative as her mother in some ways. Not only with Nick, but with the world in general. Every interview I see, Gypsy just strikes me as very disingenuous. I think people underestimate her intelligence and that the murder of her mother proves that she is actually quite ruthless.
But would she have been like that had she been raised in another normal or more stable family? Karma is a bitch. When you screw with parenting your kids, it comes back to bite you.
How can you be genuine when your entire existence was to manipulate others for your mother. I feel like all she knows is manipulate relationships (her mother manipulating her/ using her to manipulate others, and Gypsy manipulating nick) it’s like her brain is wired to just say what will get her the outcome she wants regardless of the truth or how it affects others.
@@rocinadelossantos3479 exactly. ..she was taught this. And while eventually adults are responsible for their behavior, someone in a therapeutic setting for long term needs to help Gypsy rewire her brain and resolve her traumas. I personally believe all people are born pure and innocent until parents and the world poisons them. And the poison can be subtle.
Through no fault of her own I think Gypsy was so severely damaged by her Mother she has become a risk to others and to herself. Her reaction after she killed her Mom was very alarming. She also knows how to lie very convincingly.
Don’t see at all how Gypsy would be a danger to anyone - she was defending her life as her mother was trying to kill her and robbed her of any sense of a normal childhood - how could she know anything but deception and manipulation Her mother was a good teacher
Yes, I believe that Gypsy Rose could become dangerous,but more in the sense of maybe bullying someone into suicide. I read comments that describe her as highly manipulative towards others and that she stalked a girl online for years from prison, almost resulting in the girls' suicide. It takes someone who has a cluster B personality disorder to do something like that. Now that I know that, I firmly believe that Gypsy Rose has dangerous qualities in her personality that require treatment and attention. Just my opinion. She has a mean streak. She also texted to Nick that she wouldn't have a problem with it if he r*ped another girl! This is highly concerning and should not be overlooked.
Could you consider looking into the Madeleine McCann case? The affect of the parents during their ordeal has frequently been commented on. It would be interesting to hear your take.
I'm at around minute 8 and want to give a little side note: I think everyone can imagine how hard it must have been as a social outkast to make friends and sometimes you will end up with the wrong crowds cause other women and men her age probably wont be able to relate to Gypsy Rose and give her the side eye!?
If someone kidnapped you and locked you away and tortured you and you killed them to get away would you be convicted of murder!? No, it was in her own defense for her life.
I agree with your commentary. As you were talking a thought popped into my mind, and it was her mother being her care provider her whole entire life, that having the boyfriend she may of assumed she'd have someone else to take care of her. Once her when mother was gone. Thanks so much for providing these interesting topics.
Hello Dr. Grande. Thank you for another amazing and informative video. Could you make a video on psychotic depression and the types of paranoia or delusions that are commonly associated with this illness? You only have one video on psychotic depression and I haven't been able to find many videos on this illness.
I’m curious what source indicated that Gypsy found Nick ‘creepy’ and she didn’t like him initially? I know she has said her mother called him creepy after the awkward movie introduction. This is just the first time I’ve heard that element in all the sources I’ve read and watched. Also to add something about Gypsy’s escape efforts... DeeDee has told her that she had paperwork that declared Gypsy incompetent (it’s unclear if this was true or not) which also led her to believe that no one would listen to her. Also, her family has stated that when they cleaned out Deedee’s house they found a stolen Rx pad and a TON of meds. Gypsy has said Deedee would administer meds through her stomach tube- sometimes while Gypsy slept. So often Gypsy was sedated when she was in a place she could have asked for help. Once when CPS came to investigate Deedee sedated her and presented her as developmentally delayed and unreliable. Such a sad, but interesting, case. Also interesting tidbit- Gypsy did not learn her true age or that she did NOR have cancer until her defense attorney informed her after she was charged.
I agree this case is troubling. I do think that it’s important to note the extreme level of abuse that Gypsy suffered as a result of her mother’s actions for years. The horrible physical, psychological, emotional pain and isolation that she suffered while her mother was alive is staggering. I agree that she was in a situation that would have felt hopeless and I don’t think she truly felt that she had any other avenue of escape. Her mother controlled every aspect of her life and had set the foundation for others to believe that Gypsy was mentally and physically incapable of taking care of herself. Unfortunately, if she would have tried to leave, her mother would have lied and manipulated authorities into forcing her to return. Dee Dee was financially benefiting from keeping her daughter sick and in the public spotlight. She was also feeding her need for attention and I don’t believe she would have ever let that girl go. I think would have killed her before she allowed that to happen. Dee Dee was a very sick and dangerous woman to Gypsy and I hope Gypsy can receive the help she needs to finally live a happy and normal life one day.
Years ago, I read a book called "Sickened" (I think it was by Julie Gregory), whose mother had Munchausen By Proxy, which did end up being diagnosed by professionals later on. I highly recommend it but of course it's an easy read (meaning I read it through in like 2 days) but certainly not a *light* read (meaning it will enrage you and make you nauseous at times). Gregory includes things like her medical records in the book as well; her mother was able to keep up the abuse by doctor-shopping and making sure she didn't keep going to same hospital systems over and over.
I want to be sympathetic to Gypsy Rose because of the horrible abuse she suffered, but a little voice in the back of my head keeps going on about how she used Nick and ruined his life.
Dr. Grande, Thank you for your professional and thorough review of these cases. As others have mentioned, your review of the Jon Bonet Ramsey case would be very much appreciated! I still believe the family (probably the son and the mother) were the murderers. Strange that John Ramsey had two daughters who died under tragic circumstances. Everything about the supposed kidnapping was bizarre. Would a better police investigation from the beginning have solved this case? If the family was involved, why would they leave her badly abused body in the basement? Is that why they hatched the ransom note/kidnapping scenario? If they weren't involved, how likely is it that an intruder/child murderer would take the time to write the note, but NOT take the time to leave with her body?
If you have the time I’d like to watch or listen to you do some longer deep dives on cases like this. I really respect your opinion and I trust you to tell us about it in a non biased intelligent way. It would be so cool! If a video is too much maybe do a podcast? I really like your videos btw you’re awesome
Hi Dr. Grande, thank you for this, it was extremely interesting. This whole case fascinates me, and I wonder if you will do a follow up on Nicholas Godejohn? I agree that 10 yrs punitive phase is fair for Gypsy, and that she would have taken a massive gamble by going to trial, so I do understand why she took the plea deal. I also understand people who think she should not have gone to prison at all, but as you point out … she did participate in a murder, and she readily admits that and has expressed remorse. One of the saddest things is that she has said she feels more free in prison that she did with her mother. I wish her all the very best on her release, whenever it happens, and hope the man she is now engaged to is not the abusive type. Such a tragic case. Thank you again.
Hi Dr Todd thanks for sharing your thoughts and perspective on this case. I covered this case during my training and I agree with the balance way you go through the case especially when discussing Münchausen Syndrome by proxy.
Missouri has a really jacked-up culture when it comes to sentencing and public safety guidelines anyway, as a former MO resident I'm not really surprised by how unfair the sentencing in this case is. Thanks for uploading!
My mother had Munchhausen by proxy. She diagnosed me with one disease after another (usually cancers, or conditions which were linked with mental retardation) from the time I was born. Down's syndrome, hydrocephalia, leukaemia, MS, brain tumour... When I was 12, I changed violin teacher. My new teacher had a meeting with my mother, and tried to convince her I should be going to a school with a compact timetable (i.e. classes from 8am to 2pm or 12 noon to 6pm, instead of the usual 8:30am to 4:30pm, 5:30pm, 6:30pm), so that I'd be able to practice playing the violin 6 hours a day, as well as attend musical theory classes (up to 5 hours a week, on weekday evenings), orchestra rehearsals (up to 25 hours a week, on Saturday and Sunday), and join the chamber music class (string quartet, which would have involved weekly rehearsals of 2 hours or so a week). Previous teachers, and the school's directors, had already discussed this with my mother, in vain. My mother explained to my violin teacher that I was terminally ill with a brain tumour, and would be dead within 1 or 2 years. My violin teacher enquired 'What kind of treatment has she had?' and my mother replied 'Oh, there's no treatment, it's too late, there's nothing left but to pray God!' (my mother was 'catholique traditionnaliste). My violin teacher didn't discuss my 'health' further, but once she was home, she called her daughter. Unknown to my mother, my violin teacher's eldest daughter was a brain surgeon (specialised in strokes and aneurysms). Her daughter agreed that the diagnosis seemed very strange, and suggested 'Ask her if her daughter has had a MRI'. My violin teacher did, to which my mother replied 'Oh, no, there's no need for a MRI, it's too late, the disease is too advanced... and besides, she also has MS, primary progressive, so she will end up deaf and bed ridden, like Jacqueline Dupre, very very soon!' My violin teacher didn't attempt to start an argument with my mother, but once we were alone, she explained to me about Munchhausen by proxy. Until then, I was actually convinced that I had a brain tumour and MS... but I was starting to have doubts, as initially I wasn't supposed to make it to 6 years old, then 9 years old (leukaemia) then my mother suddenly switched from leukaemia AND a brain tumour (following the diagnosis of a kid in the neighbourhood with a tumour of the pituitary gland - she was dead within 1 year)... and I was supposed to die within 1 or 2 years (she even bought a concession for me at the graveyard, and we visited it every week after the church service), but still I didn't die! The downside is that when I got diagnosed with cancer several decades later, I was incredulous... I'm now in my 40s, so my mother's diagnoses were definitely wrong.
Everyone saying Gypsy suffered enough so what’s the answer then should everyone who has been wronged by anyone else be allowed to murder them? We can’t allow vigilante crimes without punishment. I do think her mother was wrong and that Gypsy did suffer at the hands of her mother and that should be taken into consideration but she still should have to face punishment for planning a murder.
What GRB suffered was horrible and I feel very sorry for her. I hope she does have some mental health services and supervision when she gets out. I think the spotlight on this disorder is a double-edged sword though. I hope the media attention will help medical and psychological professional be more aware and catch more true cases of it before there is damage to the child. However, sometimes people have children with conditions that aren't easily diagnosed, and getting this label stuck on the mom and/or dad unfairly just makes life harder.
I always really empathized with Gypsy bc my mom made me think I was making it up when I was being abused by her & others in my home. You really don’t even think you can run away. Freedom does not exist as a concept in your mind.
Gypsy was relieved to be in prison, she finally had a stable environment, gained weight, started getting healthy, grew her hair. Do i really need to say more about why someone would prefer prison to their home-life.?
@Suspicious Ned Flanders It's actually pretty brutal.
I dont see any evidence put forward that she lacked empathy in any way, on the contrary, she never wanted her dead, she wanted her to stop and just be a normal mom. So ending up thinking this was the only way, just fits with her very limited perception of how the world works. She had seen time and time again, how Dede could manipulate people, and even when she learned she probably wasnt as sick as she thought, she still didnt have the mind capacity to figure out that simply showing the neighbors she could walk, could be her ticket out, cus it would have been enough to make them see Dede was lying constantly... But she believed Dedes threats that no one would believe her if she tried to tell she wasnt sick, and she was terrified of angering her, according to evidence. I believe if she hadnt found someone to do it for her, she would never have been able to carry it out.
Great point 👍🏼
I watched an interview of gypsy from prison and she said she’d “never felt so free” :(
Agreed. The fact that this girl wasn’t able to flourish until she ended up in PRISON says so much.
This is such a disturbing case that has been sensationalized by the media. I appreciate your balanced discussion.
Girl, yes! I agree.
Carrie Cat in what way was it sensationalized? I haven’t seen anything false or exaggerated? If there is something I would appreciate that information
Hi Dr. Grande, I simply love each of your videos. I find it extremely interesting to listen to your observation and discussion of each subject. This is a very disturbing case. God Bless ( South Africa)
I def prefer Grandes take on it.
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I guess they are talking about the show The Act that is about that case. Gypsy has stated that it is not very realistic and that she’s disappointed that yet again, the media has sensationalised and exaggerated this case
I also think Gypsy Rose was terribly abused and doesn't deserve more punishment. If anything she needs therapy.
gypsy was poisoned poked prodded kept a prisoner used manipulated and disrespec5ed her whole life...operated on even. this poor woman has already suffered. set her free!!!
Absolutely. But she should get help to be reintegrated into society. She probably has no idea abuse isn't normal, because that's how her mother conditioned her. She needs to work though all the emotional scars her mother inflicted.
I agree. I hate to sound cold, but this is terrible abuse of a child. I don't believe she needs punishment.
Agree. I think that happened because of the country she lives in and the fact they still have the death penalty in some states. If she was in a more liberal country I think she'd have been placed in a psychiatric treatment facility then released when her condition improved. Unfortunately American society isn't very compassionate about things like this. I do believe her mother would have stalked her if she escaped and the system failed to protect her from an abusive parent.
@@dirkjensen969 Charles Manson and Clyde Barrow did not kill the people who were inflicting the mistreatment. They inflicted abuse and murder on people not associated with them. Gypsy Rose was legally controlled by her mother who used drugs and mental abuse to control her. I think a big difference.
"...it is important to note that sometimes when people are slowly hurting other people, this is viewed much differently than if they're quickly hurting people. We know that both types of harm are morally wrong and legally wrong..." Once again Dr Grande you've called out a killer hiding under the bed. You must NOT stop telling it like you see it, please. For myself and my 9.5 ACE score, hearing you call out the demons I have wrestled alone for so long is comfort, knowledge and encouragement, the likes of which I can hardly articulate. Thank you and please keep yourself well!
Mmm. Reminds me of my gaslighting ex. Three years at least, some people endure that for decades.
@@KK-rm7gz- Myself, for example.
I'm sorry for what you've been through. I hope you're in a better place now.
@@hawkarae goodness
Can't imagine what being in your head is like knowing mine
The whole system failed this woman
@megan griffith....Spot on. We don't have a "system" in this country. It's ludicrous this continued year after year due to abysmal medical "care."
Her “mother” did
The KNOWING doctors are COMPLICITE in this debacle. Watch out for these doctors. There's a whole lot of bull going on. EVERY ONE OF THEM WERE PAID FOR THEIR TIME!!!
So agreed.
Yes let's randomly blame everyone a little bit. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's blame the doctors who, when the mother came in and said "She has X Y and Z wrong with her....." and the doctor found out she did NOT, didn't take the poor girl into a private room and say...."tell us what's going on..." That is not the 'whole system," that is a doctor's JOB.
That poor girl suffered enough. I think she should be set free and put on probation and get therapy. Her father is in her life again and hopefully will be supportive. I think women who are in domestic abuse situations can kind of understand what this girl was feeling. Being trapped being kept away from friends and family with daily or weekly physical emotional and mental abuse.It’s a very scary and lonely place to be.
@Kat LaBash....Exactly. People do not "get" it about domestic abuse. I've wondered often where her father was in all of this from Day One...He claims he just "believed what DeDe told him." Why would he????? In the next breath he said "One of the reasons he divorced her was because she was a pathological liar who wrote fraudulent checks? " One would think the man would have at least gone to some of the doctor's appointments with his own daughter who had been "diagnosed" with so many illnesses. I'm glad he is there for her now but I hold him partially culpable along with Gypsy's doctors.
I think what would have been easier to stomach if a third party was not envolved
I'm glad you said domestic abuse. Domestic abuse is so much more than just domestic violence. A person alienating their spouse's friends and family members is domestic abuse. As is controlling the finances of the spouse and other similar behaviours.
@Finally Finally that makes no difference. It was her only way, in her mind, out of the abusive situation.
In the documentary 'Mommy Dead and Dearest' she says she feels hurt and horror at her mother being killed and looking back she realises she could have contacted her Dad and got him to rescue her and then sought possible things like therapy and legal action for her mother.
I 've heard, Gypsy actually feels, she finally has a life in prison. That says it all about the life, she had with her mother.
@@mud6866 Well, she tried this once and then was tracked down and forced to return.
Gypsy rose suffered enough at her mothers hands, she should be let out of jail to finally live a free life.
I agree wholeheartedly.
Absolutely. All the doctors involved in her mother's schemes need to be serving time if they're still alive.
I do think there should be a different law for ppl the law and system have already failed. It's not like someone who kills for money or an argument. And for kids you really can't just go to the police. They rarely believe children and even if they do they have to investigate and that takes time and triggers their abuser to become even worse .
@@valeriavagapova Thanks. I stand corrected.
I think she feels more free in prison than she ever felt with her Mother.
This case always baffles me. The Blanchard family lived in my hometown, and they were constantly in the limelight. People were always going above and beyond to make Gypsy feel special. I remember watching a segment on the local news about them, and thought: "Wow! That's so awesome that everyone is stepping up to help this poor girl."" Literally, we all bought into the lie.
Yea and Gypsy went along with it very well .. she actually wanted to .. She had choices and made the choice to try to kill mom , keep scamming , and get a boyfriend, except the police was smarter than her .
Awful isn't it. Abit like those parents that break their child's legs so that they will get more money begging. Emotional blackmail is sick!
This is one of my ”pet” cases (for lack of better words, I don't mean to minimise the case or offend anyone) and another interesting aspect is the fact that her parents and relatives claim that Dee Dee committed fraud, wrote bad checks and committed petty theft years before giving birth to Gypsy Rose, so she allegedly had issues in the past with lying and law breaking. Another allegation has to do with her supposedly poisoning or in some way causing the death of her own mother if I recall correctly. I'm not sure there's any evidence for this but it's interesting nonetheless. Paints quite a picture of Dee Dee (if true) even before the abuse of Gypsy Rose. Thank you for another great video as always Dr. Grande.
It's one of my "pet"cases too, I find it fascinating despite how horrible it was.
Wow.
Dee Dee's family thought she was awful. I read somewhere that none of them wanted to pick up her ashes. When someone finally did, they flushed them down the toilet.
Deedee isolated her sick mother from everyone else and may have starved her to death. She was poisoning her stepmother by putting roundup in her food, but she survived.
Probably antisocial/psychopathic.
I do think some punishment for the murder was in order. Life, no. Ten years , eh. I think a bit shorter. I believe both Gypsy Rose and Nick would have benefitted more maybe being in a mental health institution. If Nick has to serve life, to be life in a mental health institution. You have two very unique people, unique circumstances that does not fit the one size fits all justice system.
I too am very torn. Gypsy has been abused all of her life and her mother definitely could have ultimately have killed her as she kept telling her father she wouldn't make it to her 21st birthday. Usually the other 90% that do live are because the parents have been caught and their children taken from them. The 10% are the ones who continue to get away with the Muchausen by Proxy, and that's why those children die.
Those who scream she should have life are those who have ZERO idea what it's like to be abused by another person. They have no idea what it's like to be someone else's prisioner. And they have zero idea on what they would do if they were put in that position.
I think it’s also important to point out that someone doesn’t have to fear death to necessarily inflict death on their abuser. Just the fear of the abuse and torture itself is enough to drive someone to the conclusion Gypsy did. There was a case of a teen boy who was being molested/raped by a trusted adult family friend for years, and one day the boy snapped and stabbed his abuser 30+ times to death. He was not in danger-he never feared for his life. But he feared the abuse. There are worst things than death.
As a mother I totally understand why she did what she did. That woman would have never let her go, she had to be forced to. Her mother definitely brought that shit on herself
@@tross8863 it was Gypsy's self defense
And this has warped her since birth.
I have been abused by an ex and he tortured me. Sexually. I have trauma from it.😰💔
MSP is a severe case of child abuse. I cannot imagine what Gypsie Rose had to go through. At this point I feel it was self-defense. The caretaker usually seeks attention. You could say they are the ultimate narcissist. Thank you 🙏🏾 Dr Grande
This is such an unusual case of MSP. Usually the victim is usually eventually killed by the abuser. Here the abuser is killed by the victim
wow, she isn't much older than me. I was born in 1994. My heart breaks for Gypsy because of all that her mother put her through. that's just awful. Great video Dr. Grande!!
They both should have never got the sentences they did! So many people in America are in jail for killing their abusers!
SARAH'S HANSON especially when they tried to go to the police and they failed to do anything
Too many and its usually women who are abused.
Yes!! A 16 year old girl was sentenced to about 10+ for shooting a man who tried to rape her. The system honestly fails victims of abuse.
So many silent victims of psychological abuse
~ thank you ~
i find nicolas godejohn's current situation equally as inhumane as grb's decade sentence. i think it's one of the most egregious mis-/over-uses of lwop i've seen ~ & lwop, itself, deserves reëvaluation & recodification as the abusive punishment it truly is, in a tremendous number of cases. the current american desire for relentless retribution with nary a nod to rehabilitation scares me. in a case like this one, again, overwhelmed by so many cruel, unusual, & terribly sad extenuating circumstances i think it particularly appalling.
I've investigated several of these types of cases, involving young victims. I've always wondered what kind of impact being the victim of this type of abuse could have on their mental health later in life. Gypsy's case definitely gives us a prime example of an extreme impact. Thank you for another great video Dr!!!
If she'd had an expensive lawyer, she would've walked.
So really she's in jail for not being wealthy.
That describes a lot of people in jail
Yes!
Yes it's all about how much money you have and who can tell the biggest lies!!! The system is a joke. Where is common sense. The people that condemned her should be treated like her and then let's see if they hand down that sentence! Fools
Ok. Casey Anthony is a free woman. Enough said.
Let's be clear: She's in jail for killing someone. But in this country, a fancy lawyer can keep you out of jail for many kinds of crimes. It's awful that that is the way things are.
When I knew she was submitted to unnecessary major surgeries that lessened her life spam and thought of all of those years being gaslighted, I truly believed she deserves mercy.
Having watched and read so much about this case I’m confused as to what would be right or wrong in regards to Gypsy. For what happened to her at the hands of her own Mother my heart goes out to her. Hearing her give evidence in the court hearing was quite chilling. She did mastermind her Mother’s murder, and admitted it was her idea. The knife was stolen by her from a trip to Walmart (I think that’s where it was) and she hid it in her wheelchair. However, I find it very hard to believe Gypsy didn’t feel under constant threat, even if it wasn’t imminent threat, that deep kind of fear is pervasive and all encompassing. What concerns me is that Godejohn came across as very simple minded with mental health issues that required treatment, and I think Gypsy also requires a lot of treatment and assistance in assimilating into normal human society. I do feel she manipulated Godejohn to a degree to commit the murder, but possibly due to trauma she had endured. The question that remains in my mind is - was the life sentence without parole on Godejohn fair considering his mental status? Argh, I’m so confused with this case and so torn with compassion yet justice for all. Thank you Dr Grande for this absolutely intriguing video. I was going to request this one! Happy Day Doc ☺️
Her mom literally had her healthy teeth pulled, and all those life saving medications are painful. It was a lifelong torture. Her life was in danger everyday because her mom would never stop forcing her to go to the doctor
I have a lot of empathy for her boyfriend Godejohn. I believe he should spend the same amount of time or possibly a little more than Gypsy. Life is not fair in this case in my opinion.
@@FernandoTorrera no she did not .. no dentist will pull healthy teeth.. man will yall stop falling for it
@@FernandoTorrera her teeth were pulled because they were rotten from meds she was giving her. I think the seizure ones.
THANK YOU! My biggest issue is no one seems to care about godejohns fate. She manipulated him into loving her, masterminded the idea, and she only gets a decade while he gets life no parole? This man felt exactly how we feel about gypsy and was getting first hand accounts and probably witnessed it. At the very least they should of gotten the same sentence (imo 15 to life with parole chance after 10)
Dr. Todd, I was raised by an abusive mother with the ability to look “normal” on the outside while causing injury and terror at home. During my childhood I was constantly in fear of being killed. Once the person you expect to protect you has shown their willingness to damage you physically, and especially if they seem to lose all reason when doing so, you are ALWAYS afraid. In my case I was also told that nobody would believe me and frightened away from seeking help for myself. I was so afraid of the consequences should I attempt to run away and fail, that I never tried to leave. I fully believe that Gypsy Rose was similarly always in fear for her life. Her mother’s apparent control over her and willingness to expose her to harmful and invasive medical treatments, along with the testimony of her mother’s temper and ability to punish her for extensive amounts of time no doubt heightened her fear of what would happen should she attempt to escape and be caught by her mother. Furthermore pregnancy would not have ensured her freedom as it might have simply given her mother another soul to torture. We must remember that at the time most outsiders (including the law) thought she was still a minor due to her mother’s’ lies about her age. Because of all of this I believe she truly believed that she was always in imminent danger and that nothing short of the death of her mother would secure her freedom and survival. The Facebook notes were words of relief that her abuser was unable to get to her anymore. I therefore do not believe she should have gone to jail. I am sure that she will always feel glad/sad about the death of her mother because when your abuser is the one who is also your caregiver things can get muddy. Every now and again they will be nice, rewarding your “good” behaviour, sometimes they will care for you when you are sick, making you believe they care, but that only serves to confuse and hurt you more because your life is one of living in fear of their anger and their moods, of their issues and the abuse that they dish out so easily. You never know what will please them or trigger them so you’re always afraid and on edge. Gypsy Rose has my deepest empathy and I hope she has found a good psychologist to help her deal with the burdens she no doubt bears. I hope she finds emotional and psychological freedom from her past, including the fact that she had to kill her mother to save her own life. I do not think it was easy for her to reach that conclusion. I have been seeing a really great psychologist for several years now and I am finally feeling free, so I can now talk about it, and live a life free from the shadow of it, but the memories never leave you.
I never would have convicted Gypsy. She simply fought back against her attacker who tortured her for 23 years. Self-defense!
I don’t think the Justice system knew what to do with her
Yes I agree at self defence but society cannot tolerate self defence we don’t really have a structure in the law that adequately takes account of someone’s fear of another human being this is domestic violence on a grand scale starting with a little baby. This is terrible we really have to address this really have to change The way the law interprets abuse and self defence and the powerlessness of the abused
I agree in emotion, but we can't condone pre-meditated murder.
There were other courses, not easy, but you can't have license to kill.
Penny Thpmas
A person’s mental capacity is important in these cases of murder, though. Trauma alters the mind in ways that can completely deter from a mentally stable person’s mind. We can’t just look at the logistics of a murder case-we have to look at the psychology behind it, otherwise we run the risk of punishing those who just needed psychological rehabilitation.
Prosecutors love to prosecute. Innocence be damned.
I think people that have a close and loving relationship with their mothers have a harder time understand that a daughter killed her mother. As someone who had an abusive mother can understand how scary the situation can get, and hopeless you feel to ever be free
I'm so sorry you had to endure abuse. It's hard to fathom that a mother could abuse the very person they're supposed to protect. I will say that it is BECAUSE I have a close relationship with my mother that I really feel for people who weren't afforded the same experience. It's just so unfair. It is unfathomable that a mother could hurt her child, especially to the extent that dee dee abused gypsy. Gypsy did not deserve prison time imo. She had already suffered enough. What she really needed was intense therapy to recover from the trauma she endured.
@@katies.8555I think it is much more common that people think sadly. Many mothers have mental health issue or personality disorders and specially the latter makes them very susceptible to abuse their children. Mental health services are in most countries in the world very difficult to access and/or are very expensive. That is even if the mother does have self awareness, which most do not. The people around her never think she can do such horrible things and they do not protect the children enough. Some children do not stand a chance, their mothers ate too evil. For example: Elisa Izquierdo's mother, Nixzmary Brown's mother, Baby Brianna's mother and sadly so many more.
I believe that Gypsy wasn't too sure about how her mother would react to her pregnancy-plan. If she became pregnant, maybe she believes that her mother would force her to abort it, and after that tighten the grip around her even more; I believe she knew that this would probably not end well, and only result in more abuse. The only way to be sure was to kill her mother. There would be no more abuse then.
The mother abused Gypsy by drugging her, letting her go through painful medical procedures that was totally unnecessary, hit her with a coat hanger, Gypsy had lost several teeth, did not receive schooling, was denied normal contact with the world - where should she learn about developing a moral compass? And not to mention how Deedee portrayed Gypsy as mentally retarded, someone you could not take seriously. That is severe, and life-altering. No one would come out of that with a straight head on their shoulders.
I think Gypsy should go free, also receive compensation for ALL the failings from society, and her pretty disgusting jail sentence. What moral and modern country puts a severely abused child in prison with common criminals. Ach.
Or if she could have become pregnant given everything her mother did to her
Or the mother would have lied that Gypsey was not able to care for a baby and take the child as her next victim. A whole new life to get her claws into. Maybe after a few pre and post childbirth dramas.
@@timheavyable my thoughts exactly
@@timheavyable omgosh, u got that freaking right!, and if Gypsy was in a way she would dispose of her somehow
Interesting topic. I believe Gypsy felt she had no other choice. The lifelong abuse from her mother, her having the relationship with the guy, which Gypsy is said to not have really loved, (but where did she learn love in her life?) And the boyfriend should have gotten a lighter sentence too. If she would have run away with the guy, she truly believed her mother would have caught them, and she was obviously deathly afraid of her mother.
Thank goodness she didn't opt for her alternate plan to get pregnant while her mother was still around. Both women would have had the opportunity to inflict harm on another innocent.
I agree re: Nick. I don’t think he deserves life when you take into account his mental health. Neither of them had the insight needed to fully grasp the depth of their actions.
I don’t think Nick should’ve gotten life either. He’s mentally ill but I’m not convinced he’s necessarily dangerous. I think if he had never met Gypsy Rose he wouldn’t have ever killed anyone. I feel like he really thought he was rescuing her from her mother. I’m not condoning this at all and the way he did it and his actions after are callous and he clearly knew it was wrong and did it anyway. I think he deserves a harsh sentence but not sure about life. I’m also not entirely convinced of Gypsy’s mental capacity and innocence. I feel like she’s smarter than she lets on and manipulated Nick to escape her situation. I doubt she spends much time regretting that her mom is dead but I think it’s more disturbing that she probably doesn’t spend much time regretting Nick is in prison for life either.
As a victim of abuse myself, I understand what it’s like to believe theres no escape and the need for desperate action to make it stop, and I wasn’t abused nearly as bad or as long as Gypsy. I can’t imagine how desperate she was.
@@13jonash so can I kill anyone that abuses me? No... so why is her case any different? Maybe people are abused and they dont go planning murders.
This case breaks my heart so much, and it bothers me that Gypsy is locked up. DeeDee abused her for her entire life, in twisted ways and while it is true that DeeDee was also probably very sick, and I think Gypsy/Nick should have outed her lies to the public, report her to the police, or any other solution other than killing her, but Gypsy was so abused ad fearful that she didn't see another option at that time. Nick also of course shouldn't have done it, and of course I do think he needs help being that he went along with Gypsy's plan so easily ... But he also had mental issues I believe, and I he knew that Gypsy was being abused, and in his mind I think he was just trying to be the knight in shining armour to save Gypsy.
But I definitely don't think Gypsy should be locked away, maybe in mandatory therapy, or having frequent check-ins or whatever, but I think the abuse she's suffered is enough, she shouldn't be going through more.
The psychological damage to one's own character is arguably worse than any form of "single event abuse".
The way it shapes you if it is from birth and by one's own parent goes so deep and is probably in many ways irrepereable.
And what was her father doing?!
Her father believed she was ill and that her mother was the only one who could care for her. Since they were divorced and, while he was involved in his daughter's life, he didn't live with them he couldn't see through Dee Dee's lies. Also he was younger that her (he was 17 when Dee Dee got pregnant with Gypsy Rose, while Dee Dee herself was 24) so he probably trusted her to know what's best.
The doctors deserve some scrutiny in this case. They were in the best position possible to spot abuse and they were close to useless.
Such a wild case. It’s indisputable that Dee Dee’s murder was premeditated, but Gypsy suffered 23 years of abuse. She tried to get away multiple times, but every time the mother brought her back and punished her severely for her.
Gypsy will need so much help settling into the real world. Every aspect of her life has been controlled, first by her mother, then my prison. She had never had any agency, and the only time she exercised her agency was when she killed her mother.
She has never experienced the world like we have. And she never will, it will always be tainted by her upbringing. I hope she is able to build a life for herself. I worry that she will he susceptible to people who will use and abuse her, because that is the dynamic she has always known.
I can only hope it is making medical professionals aware of this kind of abuse and making them rethink the treatment of some of their patients
What an unbelievable, grazy and horrible case. Always very interesting in the way you talk about it. Thank you for putting many of your time in thinking and making this video Dr. Grande.
Such a very sad situation, I agree that gypsy deserves mercy...
What's very disturbing is how her mother was able to avoid
Punishment ....but then she was murdered...she was killing her daughter...I agree with you Todd. Thank you!
I think death counts as a punishment
In a sick way she saved her mom from justice
That mother mentally, emotionally and physically abused this girl all of her life. How people didn't see this, and why doctors didn't follow through to rescue her is beyond my ken. Who knows what threats this mother made to her throughout her lifetime. I think she felt desperate to escape this abuser and did what she had to do. I don't blame her and she has suffered enough. Add the current jail time to the number of years she was in prison hell with that mother and let her go free as she has served more than enough time....being free is something she has never known in her entire life. Thank you for analyzing this case...it needed to be done!
Exactly
Yes! If one of the doctors e.g. muscle biopsy to show she has healthy muscles reported to the child abuse officials then this would be spotted.
She also ruined a mans life though...
@@Leanne_w She was drugged up, underfed, abused mentally, emotionaly, physically, feared for her life, was forced to lie and maniplulate, was isolated from society, and only being taught right and wrong from her horrible mom. Do you think you're going to react to that situation any better? Ppl who say stuff like this obviously have know idea what is to truely be scared for your well-being, to fear what your abuser might do next, or thinking about how they're going to kill you.
@@meikaaa9042 Also yes I do know what it’s like to feel fear. You have know idea what I’ve been through. I’ve been through both physical and mental abuse. My ex tried to murder me & I was pregnant to him I lost my baby. So who are you to say that I’ve not been through things?
She was already in prison for 23 years.and suffering.she did what she had to .she should be set free if even on probation.
My boy Todd, keep it up with the interesting topics on others. These are my favorites.
Chelsea Goodman I’m sorry but Todd’s MY boy 😉
Brenda DeHart My bad, my bad 👻 going ghost
Unless you've been abused (in any way) especially over an extended period of time, you could never understand. Remarking that the abused can "just leave" is so insensitive. It happened to me twice, through relationships. The second one lasted longer and left a stain on me. You don't know how it feels and I can't accurately describe it either..
But it's almost like a dark rain cloud, bursting with thunder, bursting with lightning and raining hail, then someone says.. "the sun is just on the other side.. reach for it."
They make it sound so easy and maybe it should be.. But when you're mind has been infiltrated, there's nothing your physical body can do. I mean, sure, logically I know the sun is there, I've seen it before, but I don't know if I can make it through the storm. I'm trying to stay dry but the rain seems endless. So then I begin to doubt if the sun still exists.
I pray that whomever may read this, continues to live in ignorant bliss.
That description is so spot on. Thank you
I identify with what you said. Currently living under coercive control. He alternatively kind then cruel. He threatened to get my ex after me. I still feel unable to leave or trust him. I'm codependent and I feel helpless to say or do something to help myself. The fear is really real and often nobody believes the victim! The abusers are great at working the people around them to believe that they're great people. Even if I say something nobody will believe me.. he's a great liar and has threatened to throw me into prison. So many abuse victims feel really really trapped.😢😢😢
@@Simplicityandkindness This happened to me too. How he lies to people about you and turn them against you. He would do things like open the door for me and take the grocery bags in when people were watching, "own up to his mistakes", but behind closed doors it was different. Psychological control doesn't leave bruises/evidence and, again, most people just think, "Why didn't you just leave"? I couldn't do it alone, and ultimately needed help. I strongly suggest you get help too, to be as safe as you can. A crisis hotline, family, or whoever. I know, I know, I know, it's A LOT easier said than done. And even after you leave, there's a recovery process, especially for the paranoia. But you can do it. Be firm and make sure he doesn't find out. Don't warn him or drop any hints. Nothing. And just go.
My ex tried to drown me in the bathtub. It's a trauma bond. I'm terrified of him.
I'm so sorry for everything you've gone through 😔. I'm just so sorry 😔.
Very educational video, I had always wondered what Eminen was saying in one of his songs when he claimed to be a victim of Münchausen Syndrome, AND he HATED his mother.
I"m a 30+ year attorney (my parents are both medical doctors) and I find that your legal/psychology analyses are EXCELLENT in all of your videos.
I have compassion for Gypsy Rose, but I also have to question whether or not she’s stable enough to be in society.
She is a.victim of narcissistic abuse. Look up what that does. Most either end up narcissistic which can definitely be dangerous and others with post trauma and that also can be dangerous. She needs treatment.
Terry Ellis She DEFINITELY needs treatment.
I think she would have been much better off in a long term mental health facility until she was deemed stable enough to be integrated back in to society. She’s likely getting little to no help in prison.
Chill B I’m sure.
@@PermaVirgin Yes, exactly! I've been to a facility like that and it was horrible but it would still be better and a much more appropriate placement than prison, which will likely traumatize her more.
Could you do a video on the difference between Mental Illnesses and Personality Disorders? I was reading about one trial where the defendant was said to have a personality disorder, not mental illness, so couldn't be institutionalized, but had to go to prison. Why is that?
Yes, would love to see a video on this
I am quite disturbed by the sentence and mental health of the boyfriend. There is of course huge consideration for Gypsey Rose but I am really disturbed at her ability to manipulate the boyfriend. There are so many things to consider in this case and just how THREE lives were mangled by the mother - not just two.
Right, what about her boyfriend who was persuaded to kill because he loved Gypsy so much. Why is he forgotten and will rot in jail until his death. Glad I am not the only one with thoughts of him. I do think Gypsy got a proper sentence but, not so sure her boyfriend did. Best regards, Lee
Honestly I think they should do an examination on Gypsy's mental health state whenever she's released. People who go through extreme abuse are never *normal* and can become monsters.
Look at most serial killers for example. A lot of them went through abuse/trauma to a much lesser degree and they don't exactly turn out wonderful. Just because she's a woman doesn't mean Gypsy can't be manipulative or do harmful things.
I'm also not comparing her to a killer, rather as an example because how the brain grows/or doesn't grow can make a big impact. The amadyla for example can be effected and that's the part of the brain that effects how we feel empathy.
I'm not trying to be mean, just realistic...
I've never comfortable with the 1st deg & life without here. I think the multiple personality was real. Add that to level 2 autism, & throw in the unreal & unique situation of the girl he fell in love with. He stated you have to ask Victor. I highly doubt anyone else would ever have asked that, & with treatment ot could be dealt with. The 2 meeting was always going to end bad. But in hindsight I u stand why she ,& him though this was only way out. Entire system failed her.
@@womenturneddeadly Nick also had a lower than average IQ which apparently could have also effected him. I feel like there's a double standard here between Gypsy's outcome and Nick's outcome.
This was super interesting, thank you! Can you also make a video on Schofields who appeared on Dr. Phil? She is also frequently related to Münchausen Syndrome by Proxy.
The Schofields used to live in the same city as we did in Valencia/Stevenson Ranch, CA area, (we have since moved), however I would see her at the grocery store and around school, etc. I can tell you, in person she was very strange! Tons of anger and very aggressive woman...like beyond normal. Drill-Sergeant type parent.
@@marys3127 she accused Dr. Phil of editing the show to a point which makes her seem like a crazy person. I almost believed her because Dr. Phil is definitely over the top dramatic. But I've read some posts on forums about this woman, and now I read yours which is similar, so yes, there is definitely something going on with her.
I was thinking the same thing! I know doctor Phil isn't everyone's cup of tea but if you've seen Susan's old videos and behavior... It's concerning to say the least.
Yes! I would love to see what he thinks about that case! I feel terrible for the kids in both situations
Good suggestion!
I really feel for this girl and for the amount of abuse she had to suffer in order for her mom to get money and trips. You know it must have been pretty bad when a family member is asked what to do with DeeDee’s ashes, and he says, “Flush them!”
I watched the mini series about Gypsy Rose. It’s really Horrible. I’m thankful you have compassion. More people need to have compassion. Great job.
I think Dr. Grande's compassion (and integrity) is (are) the most important asset(s) to his videos.
2 things. Isn't it matricide when someone kills their mother?
And Dede's family believes she killed her own mother. Her own mother was very manipulative. Then Dede becomes even more manipulative and the detectives who interviewed gypsy believe she is also manipulative. It's a very strange family tree
Parricide is neutral I think. Patricide is the father-specific term.
Didn't she use Godejohn to do the deed (murder by proxy)? Shouldn't his mental issues have been taken into account before sentencing him to life in prison without the possibility of parole? There is also the question as to how much a victim Gypsy was and how much a willing participant in a lucrative joint enterprise with her mother. To her credit, as a witness in Godejohn's trial she's quite honest and open about her role in deceiving the public.
I'm not sure that he should have gotten life in prison. It seems like overkill for the situation at hand
Richard Ward-Jackson Richard Ward-Jackson if you ask me, he did the world & Gypsy a favor by killing her. I also look at Dee Dee like the world would look at someone who abducted/stolen a kid because that’s exactly what she did; she held Gypsy prisoner & stole her entire childhood, teen hood, & part of her adulthood. This whole situation is so horrible & personally I think DeeDee got exactly what she deserved. Now if Gypsy was someone else’s child & this women stole her childhood like she did with Gypsy & held her prisoner, but at some point was able to kill her then in that hypothetical scenario they wouldn’t have gone to jail, but because DeeDee didn’t actually take this child from someone else EVEN though she did the same crime, which is essentially stealing this poor girls childhood. Ugh I really hope she can get an early release & get the therapy she so desperately deserves!
She was "honest" because she had immunity, she could never be tried for the murder. It's also questionable of how honest she was, and furthermore she seems to have complete impunity no matter what she says because it's all attributed to her abuse. When they were first arrested, she immediately started lying, she first claimed she didn't know anything then she claimed he did everything. If anyone was honest all along it was Godejohn, who immediately confessed and basically took the blame. I have no problem with her sentence but the discrepancy between their respective sentences is outrageous: they both should've gotten the same sentence (for the same crime): either life no parole or ten years, both of them.
@@staceyherald7953 She targeted him, she recruited him, she framed him. She is a healthy adult who could've killed her mother herself, but she preferred he do it for her, and then tried to dump it all on him, and succeeded. Why did she go on facebook, pretending to be him, claiming she was raped, which she was not, and suggesting she was kidnapped? Why did SHE mail the knife to HIS house?
She planned the murder, she financed it, she got the knife, she pressured him, she covered it up. She is arguably more guilty than him. She's a grown ass adult with a normal IQ, he's an autistic guy with the mental age of a ten year old. And just FYI, prisons are full of people who were abused, many worse than Gypsy. And lets not forget the reason he killed her mother, whose name he didn't even know, was to save her, so why is she viewed as a victim but the guy who tried to save her is viewed as a monster? No Gypsy no murder.
So before you go around calling people mental you should recalibrate your moral compass.
zwergie256 , you make very good and interesting points in both your replies.
Isn't it there in the books that munchausen is a form of narcissism? My narcisstic wife does the same with our son, he's always sick for one reason or another - that gives grounds for a lot of drama, presents opportunities for the mother to be a hero, allows the mother to stay at home and do nothing, and everything that a narcissist likes so much
Whoah! This sounds very likely. But could it also be a product of histrionic personality disorder with some psychopatic traits ofcourse? There could be some comorbidity here too. At least that's what i have in mind. Because in the case of Gypsy Rose the mother didn't just stay at home, she needed an audience to validate her and actively searched for the right one. She needed the attention and empathy of others. So sad for the little girl.
Also. I'm sorry for your wife. Hope you clear things out. :(
I kept thinking the same thing when I heard about what Dee-Dee did to Gypsy Rose. Her daughter was an object, a tool for attention and praise - nothing more. And that's how a lot of kids of narcissists get treated. Not always to this horrible extreme, but it's the same basic symptom, where people are just a means to an end.
That poor girl. I mean, I thought my mom was bad. She was, but damn - this is some next level narcissism. Actually, I wonder if Dee-Dee was a psychopath. That level of cruelty and conning and manipulation - just....damn.
ETA: I'm so sorry your son is the victim of this. I hope you can find your way through this labyrinth, and help your son and yourself.
Things are not that dramatic, of course... But stuff like allergy, stomach seizures, irregular breathing keep popping up. The closest case was jaundice that she invented and even convinced a doctor to diagnose it and prescribe a medicine, while the reason for the child's sickly complexion was the lack of sleep prior to her visit to the doctor (bilirubin check showed the child was ok). She likes to control a helpless person, and enjoys idea of being a saviour of the child. But when it comes to actual sicknesses, the task of giving medicines makes her very forgetful...
My mother was like your wife, nothing too extreme, just liked me being unwell and exaggerated every tiny symptom I had and for similar reasons that you have mentioned.
It does make it confusing when you are an adult trying to understand how sick or well you are, I have a lot of fear come up when I am not well, anxiety that I may be sicker than I am and it gets really hard to address health issues as I am terrified that it is the worst case scenario for my symptoms and start to get debilitating panic attacks.
Again Dr GRANDE is the best and most interesting to listen to ! I was diagnosed at 17 with bipolar 2 and shades of schizophrenia so these videos help me understand the circumstances that happened with negative actions and how to better assess negative feelings and situations for myself and others in very depressing or delusional family or public settings and in life. Dr grandes unbiased approach is the best and most professional o have seen to date! Keep up the good work !
Your assessment is so deeply moving, Dr. Grande. And as always, very informative.
Hi Dr. Grande great content. Could you cover narcissism in families specifically mother daughter relationships would love to hear your informed opinion! How to deal with toxic family relationships. Etc ... that would be great !!
Yeah good one
ME TOO
There is a way to continue talking with toxic family members, while also keeping yourself safe. But you need to figure out the distance, and balance.
For example, my mom lives in another state, so thankfully I don't have to worry about intrusions. But I do allow talking over fb (messenger/video chat) but I won't allow it, if I can see that I'm being roped into something I shouldn't be pulled into. (like fighting, bitching, or anything negative!) All I have to do is shut it off... See what I mean?
It's perfectly understandable to pushed away, if the people around you are not good for you.
Take care of yourselves!
please
One of the interviews I saw of Gypsy , she was afraid that her mother was going to try to convince doctors to start amputating limbs. Her mother would eventually have killed her, if that would’ve gotten DeeDee more attention. Remember the DeeDee’s own family suspected that DeeDee starved her mother to death and of poisoning her stepmother, although the stepmother survived. I think the sentence was fair. She did conspire to commit murder, and provided Godejohn with the means & equipment to commit the murder
Baffling case no doubt , and to see Gypsy is engaged now in prison ..:
It’s sad to see what she went through ... and I think truly the best place for her now would be a psychological hospital for 10 yrs instead of a prison.:. As I worry when she gets out she may have issues in society as she was so abused mentally and physically
I agree - I wish it had been a psychiatric hospital too. She's gonna need so much help to recover. This seems like the first time she's been allowed to grow up, and it's so sad that it's in prison.
Truth. So sad.. That mother got what she had coming to her. Gypsy was a victim..
The mentally ill still have a conscience. It is inherent in every human being. The conscience however can be seared with repeated offenses contrary to it. Those who have seared their conscience should still be held accountable and responsible for crimes which they commit. Did the mother sear Gypsy's conscience? No. Humans still choose evil with consciences intact.... Her conscience may not have been seared at all. However, when a human has a seared conscious it is precipitated by series of mindful, conscious and deliberate choices to act contrary to the conscience.
What about the sociopath or psychopath who is seemingly without a conscience? We cannot quite pinpoint where the seat of the conscience is. Is it the mind? The soul? There is evidence of a genetic cause for these disorders. However, think also of brain plasticity....on the physical plane the brain has the capacity to become malleable and bent in a certain direction through a series of choices which become a pattern of thinking. That pattern alters the brain. This is one way the conscience becomes seared. Does culture influence conscience? Certainly. The culture whether familial, tribal or religious is the incubator for the conscience. We know there are cultures and tribes which have been extremely violent, blood thirsty, ruthless, or incestuous and in which rape is tolerated. Do we excuse their crimes? We know that oftentimes perpetrators of child abuse were themselves abused. Do we excuse their crimes on other innocents? Gypsy's mother is accountable for her crimes. And Gypsy must be accountable for what she chose to do with the life she was born into. As with us all, our path in life is a series of choices we make as to how we deal with the circumstances we encounter every day of our lives.
She so does not need to be engaged right now. I don't get what her obsession is with love. It can't save her from all the horrible things she went through. She needs to work on herself first, not expect a guy to fulfill her
Matthew Taylor And murder is what her crime was deemed. I, personally, feel it was self defense.
I don't think murder is wrong in some cases. Most people have a slight concession to this notion when talking about explicit cases of self-defense, but I think that can be too restrictive. If a victim of perpetual abuse genuinely has no viable escape options, which can be the case when a guardian is the abuser and is in good standing in the community, I'm in favor of premeditated murder.
There are too many situations where authorities have returned children that escaped to the abusive parent for me to accept the notion that our justice system is reliable enough for escape to be a viable option. I consider it likely that if she had reported her mother to local police, they would have dismissed her story, called her mother, and sent her home to her abuser. If she was able to report her mother at a precinct that wasn't local, things might have gone differently, but they probably would have contacted her local precinct and ultimately accepted the idea that she was too ill and to properly understand her situation. Basically, I think her mother was actually right in saying that the police wouldn't believe her.
I'm not saying that it should be legal to murder people that are hurting you, but half of all murders go unsolved. If the police were (or would have been) complicit in that abuse, then I have no problem with murder of abusers being part of that half.
Exactly, because dozens if not hundreds of people in the social system did nothing. Gypsy endured this through out her entire childhood. By the time she was 3 she was already indoctrinated into this hell, and didnt know what normal was. So everyone could fail her, but she takes the entire rap for their failures too. I have no sorrow for that mother.
I totally agree.
She was horrifically tortured. I think she should have been offered treatment. Her whole value system was warped as a result of these intentions and actions of her mother.
I dunno. I agree law and order is important, but I think Gypsy Rose should've been given a sentence in a psychological institution that works towards integrating people back into society, if they can rehabilitate. I know we can't have people going around murdering their parents, but really...if someone was going to murder their parents and then use the Blanchard case as precident they'd have to establish proof that the same extent of abuse had been occurring...and in the event the murderer *was* being abused, wouldn't mercy be a better course of action? I mean they will have suffered at the hands of those who ought to have loved them the most and their psychology was such that they couldn't think of a different recourse.
I think that special cases ought to be made in the case of dependent abuse. They ought not to be freed entirely, but they ought to be placed into therapy and rehabilitated so they can live better lives upon their release. As it stands now Gypsy Rose is gonna be dumped, when she's in her early to mid thirties just as neuro-elasticity is starting to decline, into a world that she has only experienced a teeny tiny portion of as her own free agent. Like, that ought to be considered cruel and unusual punishment IMO
Hello Dr. Grande!! 😊
I’m glad you had done a video of this case. She’s coming up in the news again because she is being set free. I was researching what this story was about .. anyway, I’m glad I saw one of my favorite RUclipsrs covering this. Be well.
I think that she didn’t realize the consequences of their actions because they just left Deedee’s body right on the bed and left paper trails everywhere. She honestly thought they could live in Wisconsin.
yes because she never had proper education or any other inputes on life other than from her mother. also another part of the abuse, she was a teenager/then adult raise as a child
She was on medication too 🤷♀️ Gypsy I mean..
I am really sad for the boy friend. Poor guy had no money for a high price lawyer but was manipulated to the max by a real con artist. I hope his sentence gets reduced
Jon Banks yeah same. He didn’t have full mental capacity to be held to that level of culpability
Completely agree. Its really upsetting that he got a life sentence. The poor guy has a disability and mental illness. I think he was easily manipulated and thought he was rescuing Gypsy.
@@ElloLoJo Yeah and the mentally handicapped are targeted in prison a lot. :/ not a good place at all for him.
You ask really valuable questions that demonstrate that situations aren't black and white. People are complicated.
A perfect storm. I'm still blown away that doctors, officials (age discrepancies) and teacher's did not push for deeper questions and answers. Thank God there wasn't chemo but hair loss from chemo and a shaved head look entirely different. All of these mandated reporters wondered but didn't force the issues? Even with Dee Dee changing locales there should have been searches for applications to access State or Federal benefits.
At some point Gypsy, through conditioning and threats, became a party to these deceptions with her performances playing into her mom's deceptions. I also believe that Nicholas was manipulated into participating. Gypsy needs jail- or parole based long-term treatment.
If you look at video of Gypsy's behaviours as a juvenile and teenager, some of her " performances" on TV are good but not consistent with a person with developmental disabilities and partial paralysis. I DO believe that she was, or felt trapped. She was failed thoroughly by all those who were around her that should have been questioning, especially family members, teacher's and doctors. Although it was not in her mother's interest to kill her, the chance that Gypsy could have died under her "care" was very great.
@@TheCandiceWang The perfect recipe for abuse.
One reason I'm not a fan of homeschooling.
The entire system failed her. Truly heartbreaking
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Such a sad case. I think you present compelling arguments. Various court cases set precedents for other cases and most would prefer that those who commit murder or those who conspire to murder not go unpunished.
I am concerned about her ability to function in society after the extensive abuse. I hope she receives lots of effective counseling and does not get exploited in the future. It is sad that she apparently saw no other feasible options to improve her life.
She saved her mother until the end even though her mother tried to kill her all her life also robbed her of developmental milestones and happiness/ so sad
Hello Dr. Grande, thank you for the video. I have heard of this case and it sickens me what the daughter endured. It is hard to imagine what she went through, growing up in such an atmosphere. I understand and agree with your comment about balancing compassion and law and order. In my opinion she doesn't deserve jail time but she does need extensive and mandatory therapeutic care. Without the proper support, she could end up being a danger to society because of her upbringing. So, supervised, mandatory therapeutic care would help her and help to protect society. Just my thoughts. Thank you for another interesting subject!
I cannot tell you how impressed I am with your speaking abilities. Here you are in continuous streaming with few edits and just really well-spoken. I also noticed you don’t use filler words, which blows me away. That takes skill. Great work.
I got so much out of this video. The consideration you give is phenomenal. What a world we would have if our justice system were as reasoned and loving as you.
I always appreciate your take and opinions and how you are careful to weigh in that we are on the “outside” of these situations therefore must be careful when possibly getting slipped up in diagnosing, especially if we have clinical background....on the topics and cases you cover and I thank you for your effort and time. I’ve learned a lot from you and your videos and I’m certain others have as well. Take care Dr.T 😊🔆
Thanks for your input on the case. I agree that compassion is needed, but whether or not she is a danger to those around her in the future depends on treatment and therapy during her 10 yrs in prison. Her perspective may be off.
Yes, I was just thinking this.
She has come from an environment where manipulation was a survival technique, she needs to suffer consequences and receive appropriate therapy or it could perpetuate unhealthy behaviours/schema.
I grew up with a mother who had MBP. She used me for years; as an excuse, as a means of getting feedback and martyr-like hero status, and as a diversion from dealing with her own childhood trauma. It started with an actual, organic illness and I believe that attention sparked off her MBP. I say this because I had older siblings who were relatively healthy. But, a small physical issue of mine landed me in the hospital and off to the races she went. I am the baby of my family and I have wondered if her need to feel needed, knowing I was her last shot, also played a part? Her ruse had me, and my family, entirely convinced that I was sick. Like Gypsy, I was put through procedures and given meds. But, ironically, because my father was also mentally ill and needed me to be the superstar... his need for me to go to school (or get home hospital school) and be something he could brag about often clashed with my mom's need to keep me trapped and sick. It caused strife. Ultimately, I was just a pawn for their stories...not a child with an independent identity. Had social media been a thing in my childhood; it's likely my mom would've done more for financial gain. But, even still, even with everything...I think we're underestimating Gypsy and her own manipulations. Kids of MBP parents learn to manipulate and go with the flow. I spent years in therapy trying to discern what manipulation was because, in my house, manipulation was the only language spoken. I literally didn't know when I was being manipulative until it was pointed out. I also had weird concepts of death. If you're listening to someone tell you that you're going to die soon for 16 years, it sort of feels like death is easily defied. It's possible Gypsy couldn't see death as permanent. However, I came away from my experience with an absolutely abhorrence for child abuse and self-aware that this disease of MBP was somehow coded upon my DNA. When one of my children was hospitalized, I felt so scared that I would fall into the same trap that I literally told every nurse and doctor that my mom had had this disease and I was terrified that I might fall into that pattern. I even thought about terminating my own parental rights because I didn't want to be the person making choices for my child...just in case. But, with the help of a fantastic hospital staff and education, after five years, my child came out blessedly healthy and vibrant and hasn't had long term health issues. I share all of this just to say... I feel bad for Gypsy. But, there's also a bit of personal accountability that she needs to understand and work on...no matter whose fault it is that she has these issues. To live a full life, outside jail, she's going to need intense retraining.
@Jonathan Edward 80% of my says jail is an appropriate place and 20% is skeptical. I think jail put her in a safe place, from the standpoint of it not being a place where the system is going to pay for unnecessary medical procedures. She'll get/has received a full medical workup and I'm sure hearing from an outside source that she's healthy is good for her. I think the structure and space to transition from an isolated, dependent child to a mature woman is beneficial...however, I think she may have gained more from a facility that would've offered her a program based on mental wellness. I worry, however, that jail will only expose her to others that are manipulative, self-centered, and dangerous...that's not ideal for someone who goes in with a warped perspective on truth.
I guess what makes me uneasy about this case, is that Gypsy strikes me as just as manipulative as her mother in some ways. Not only with Nick, but with the world in general. Every interview I see, Gypsy just strikes me as very disingenuous. I think people underestimate her intelligence and that the murder of her mother proves that she is actually quite ruthless.
But would she have been like that had she been raised in another normal or more stable family? Karma is a bitch. When you screw with parenting your kids, it comes back to bite you.
Dats how she was raised. She doesn’t realize her behavior is unacceptable
How can you be genuine when your entire existence was to manipulate others for your mother. I feel like all she knows is manipulate relationships (her mother manipulating her/ using her to manipulate others, and Gypsy manipulating nick) it’s like her brain is wired to just say what will get her the outcome she wants regardless of the truth or how it affects others.
@@rocinadelossantos3479 exactly. ..she was taught this. And while eventually adults are responsible for their behavior, someone in a therapeutic setting for long term needs to help Gypsy rewire her brain and resolve her traumas. I personally believe all people are born pure and innocent until parents and the world poisons them. And the poison can be subtle.
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If that were case she would have lied to police, she didn't. She admitted her part.
Very interesting topic. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it.
They have a show out called The Act if anyone is interested that's based on Gypsy and her mother(a bit dramatized) but it is intriguing.
@@TheCandiceWang Why?
It almost seems like a very extreme kind of self defense in a very distorted way
This was a genius idea !!! Thank you so much for doing Gypsy Rose. This case was so disturbing!!! God bless you and have an amazing weekend. 😊
I can't believe I can access this content for free. So interesting. Thank you for your very well-made videos.
Through no fault of her own I think Gypsy was so severely damaged by her Mother she has become a risk to others and to herself. Her reaction after she killed her Mom was very alarming. She also knows how to lie very convincingly.
Yes. I think, unfortunately, she could be dangerous to others. And yes because how she was treated. She had to find a way to survive
I don't think she is a risk to anyone. Unless they decide to abuse her for years maybe. In which case they'd deserve it.
Don’t see at all how Gypsy would be a danger to anyone - she was defending her life as her mother was trying to kill her and robbed her of any sense of a normal childhood - how could she know anything but deception and manipulation Her mother was a good teacher
Yes, I believe that Gypsy Rose could become dangerous,but more in the sense of maybe bullying someone into suicide. I read comments that describe her as highly manipulative towards others and that she stalked a girl online for years from prison, almost resulting in the girls' suicide. It takes someone who has a cluster B personality disorder to do something like that. Now that I know that, I firmly believe that Gypsy Rose has dangerous qualities in her personality that require treatment and attention. Just my opinion. She has a mean streak. She also texted to Nick that she wouldn't have a problem with it if he r*ped another girl! This is highly concerning and should not be overlooked.
Could you consider looking into the Madeleine McCann case? The affect of the parents during their ordeal has frequently been commented on. It would be interesting to hear your take.
There is a video already. I don’t know if you have seen it
@@Thankgot Thanks
I watched a documentary about this family with my husband.He said his mother would have loved to have been able to operate at that mothers level.
Your 1st Dr I have found who talked about Gypsy I subscribed love your channel and views already.
I'm at around minute 8 and want to give a little side note: I think everyone can imagine how hard it must have been as a social outkast to make friends and sometimes you will end up with the wrong crowds cause other women and men her age probably wont be able to relate to Gypsy Rose and give her the side eye!?
Hi Dr G- still binge-watching!
In light of hew recent release from jail-an update would be amazing :)
If someone kidnapped you and locked you away and tortured you and you killed them to get away would you be convicted of murder!? No, it was in her own defense for her life.
Good analysis base on the limited information. 👍🏻
I agree with your commentary. As you were talking a thought popped into my mind, and it was her mother being her care provider her whole entire life, that having the boyfriend she may of assumed she'd have someone else to take care of her. Once her when mother was gone. Thanks so much for providing these interesting topics.
Can you do an aftermath of her release?
Bailey Sarian does a really good detailed timeline of events of this case.
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Hello Dr. Grande. Thank you for another amazing and informative video. Could you make a video on psychotic depression and the types of paranoia or delusions that are commonly associated with this illness? You only have one video on psychotic depression and I haven't been able to find many videos on this illness.
I’m curious what source indicated that Gypsy found Nick ‘creepy’ and she didn’t like him initially? I know she has said her mother called him creepy after the awkward movie introduction. This is just the first time I’ve heard that element in all the sources I’ve read and watched.
Also to add something about Gypsy’s escape efforts... DeeDee has told her that she had paperwork that declared Gypsy incompetent (it’s unclear if this was true or not) which also led her to believe that no one would listen to her. Also, her family has stated that when they cleaned out Deedee’s house they found a stolen Rx pad and a TON of meds. Gypsy has said Deedee would administer meds through her stomach tube- sometimes while Gypsy slept. So often Gypsy was sedated when she was in a place she could have asked for help. Once when CPS came to investigate Deedee sedated her and presented her as developmentally delayed and unreliable. Such a sad, but interesting, case.
Also interesting tidbit- Gypsy did not learn her true age or that she did NOR have cancer until her defense attorney informed her after she was charged.
I agree this case is troubling. I do think that it’s important to note the extreme level of abuse that Gypsy suffered as a result of her mother’s actions for years. The horrible physical, psychological, emotional pain and isolation that she suffered while her mother was alive is staggering. I agree that she was in a situation that would have felt hopeless and I don’t think she truly felt that she had any other avenue of escape. Her mother controlled every aspect of her life and had set the foundation for others to believe that Gypsy was mentally and physically incapable of taking care of herself. Unfortunately, if she would have tried to leave, her mother would have lied and manipulated authorities into forcing her to return. Dee Dee was financially benefiting from keeping her daughter sick and in the public spotlight. She was also feeding her need for attention and I don’t believe she would have ever let that girl go. I think would have killed her before she allowed that to happen. Dee Dee was a very sick and dangerous woman to Gypsy and I hope Gypsy can receive the help she needs to finally live a happy and normal life one day.
Years ago, I read a book called "Sickened" (I think it was by Julie Gregory), whose mother had Munchausen By Proxy, which did end up being diagnosed by professionals later on. I highly recommend it but of course it's an easy read (meaning I read it through in like 2 days) but certainly not a *light* read (meaning it will enrage you and make you nauseous at times). Gregory includes things like her medical records in the book as well; her mother was able to keep up the abuse by doctor-shopping and making sure she didn't keep going to same hospital systems over and over.
I want to be sympathetic to Gypsy Rose because of the horrible abuse she suffered, but a little voice in the back of my head keeps going on about how she used Nick and ruined his life.
Love your channel. Would you ever consider captioning your videos so that they’re accessible for deaf and hard of hearing people?
Dr. Grande, Thank you for your professional and thorough review of these cases. As others have mentioned, your review of the Jon Bonet Ramsey case would be very much appreciated! I still believe the family (probably the son and the mother) were the murderers. Strange that John Ramsey had two daughters who died under tragic circumstances. Everything about the supposed kidnapping was bizarre. Would a better police investigation from the beginning have solved this case? If the family was involved, why would they leave her badly abused body in the basement? Is that why they hatched the ransom note/kidnapping scenario? If they weren't involved, how likely is it that an intruder/child murderer would take the time to write the note, but NOT take the time to leave with her body?
If you have the time I’d like to watch or listen to you do some longer deep dives on cases like this. I really respect your opinion and I trust you to tell us about it in a non biased intelligent way. It would be so cool! If a video is too much maybe do a podcast? I really like your videos btw you’re awesome
Hi Dr. Grande, thank you for this, it was extremely interesting. This whole case fascinates me, and I wonder if you will do a follow up on Nicholas Godejohn? I agree that 10 yrs punitive phase is fair for Gypsy, and that she would have taken a massive gamble by going to trial, so I do understand why she took the plea deal. I also understand people who think she should not have gone to prison at all, but as you point out … she did participate in a murder, and she readily admits that and has expressed remorse. One of the saddest things is that she has said she feels more free in prison that she did with her mother. I wish her all the very best on her release, whenever it happens, and hope the man she is now engaged to is not the abusive type. Such a tragic case. Thank you again.
Hi Dr Todd thanks for sharing your thoughts and perspective on this case. I covered this case during my training and I agree with the balance way you go through the case especially when discussing Münchausen Syndrome by proxy.
Missouri has a really jacked-up culture when it comes to sentencing and public safety guidelines anyway, as a former MO resident I'm not really surprised by how unfair the sentencing in this case is. Thanks for uploading!
I’m really glad I found this video. I had left a reply on another video asking if you could analyze this case. Thank you again Dr. Grande
Surely the case could be made by a good lawyer that she feared for her life. She certainly had reason to.
My mother had Munchhausen by proxy. She diagnosed me with one disease after another (usually cancers, or conditions which were linked with mental retardation) from the time I was born. Down's syndrome, hydrocephalia, leukaemia, MS, brain tumour... When I was 12, I changed violin teacher. My new teacher had a meeting with my mother, and tried to convince her I should be going to a school with a compact timetable (i.e. classes from 8am to 2pm or 12 noon to 6pm, instead of the usual 8:30am to 4:30pm, 5:30pm, 6:30pm), so that I'd be able to practice playing the violin 6 hours a day, as well as attend musical theory classes (up to 5 hours a week, on weekday evenings), orchestra rehearsals (up to 25 hours a week, on Saturday and Sunday), and join the chamber music class (string quartet, which would have involved weekly rehearsals of 2 hours or so a week). Previous teachers, and the school's directors, had already discussed this with my mother, in vain. My mother explained to my violin teacher that I was terminally ill with a brain tumour, and would be dead within 1 or 2 years. My violin teacher enquired 'What kind of treatment has she had?' and my mother replied 'Oh, there's no treatment, it's too late, there's nothing left but to pray God!' (my mother was 'catholique traditionnaliste). My violin teacher didn't discuss my 'health' further, but once she was home, she called her daughter. Unknown to my mother, my violin teacher's eldest daughter was a brain surgeon (specialised in strokes and aneurysms). Her daughter agreed that the diagnosis seemed very strange, and suggested 'Ask her if her daughter has had a MRI'. My violin teacher did, to which my mother replied 'Oh, no, there's no need for a MRI, it's too late, the disease is too advanced... and besides, she also has MS, primary progressive, so she will end up deaf and bed ridden, like Jacqueline Dupre, very very soon!' My violin teacher didn't attempt to start an argument with my mother, but once we were alone, she explained to me about Munchhausen by proxy. Until then, I was actually convinced that I had a brain tumour and MS... but I was starting to have doubts, as initially I wasn't supposed to make it to 6 years old, then 9 years old (leukaemia) then my mother suddenly switched from leukaemia AND a brain tumour (following the diagnosis of a kid in the neighbourhood with a tumour of the pituitary gland - she was dead within 1 year)... and I was supposed to die within 1 or 2 years (she even bought a concession for me at the graveyard, and we visited it every week after the church service), but still I didn't die!
The downside is that when I got diagnosed with cancer several decades later, I was incredulous...
I'm now in my 40s, so my mother's diagnoses were definitely wrong.
Everyone saying Gypsy suffered enough so what’s the answer then should everyone who has been wronged by anyone else be allowed to murder them? We can’t allow vigilante crimes without punishment. I do think her mother was wrong and that Gypsy did suffer at the hands of her mother and that should be taken into consideration but she still should have to face punishment for planning a murder.
What GRB suffered was horrible and I feel very sorry for her. I hope she does have some mental health services and supervision when she gets out. I think the spotlight on this disorder is a double-edged sword though. I hope the media attention will help medical and psychological professional be more aware and catch more true cases of it before there is damage to the child. However, sometimes people have children with conditions that aren't easily diagnosed, and getting this label stuck on the mom and/or dad unfairly just makes life harder.
I think the plea deal to the reduced charge is ... Meh 🤷🏼♀️ . . but the sentence is definitely too harsh.
I always really empathized with Gypsy bc my mom made me think I was making it up when I was being abused by her & others in my home. You really don’t even think you can run away. Freedom does not exist as a concept in your mind.