Well, he confessed right away... she did not. She acted as if she did not know her mom was dead, and never took any responsibility in her initial interrogations. She tried to manipulate the police the same way she manipulated Nick
I do not think he got a fair sentence . He was manipulated mentally. I believe Gypsy Rose couldn't have been in that environment with her mother for as long as she was and not learn the behavior. I do believe Gypsy Rose was abused however I believe Nick was a victim too.
I totally agree with you! I'm sure she has picked up on the power of manipulation and I do worry about when she is let out (I think she'll be released much earlier than 10 years).
He had the mental capability to kill. If it wasn’t with Gypsy, it could’ve been with someone else. Two severely mentally damaged people together have the potential to do some serious harm.
Wait, food for thought! The fact that he was able to be manipulated so easily, doesn't that make him more dangerous that the average person? Hes proven he will go and murder someone for a girl who wants him to.
People tend to forget how gypsy faked shock that her mother was dead once arrested by police. She knew the game she was playing. Yes she was a victim of her mother but she also learned these manipulative techniques from her which makes her dangerous to others as well
@@ToxicBrando she’s as bad as her abuser bC she manipulated someone ? Her mom raised her to do exactly that, LIE. That’s not good logic, she ain’t bad, but yes she deserves some sort of punishment, not as bad as her evil ass mother thO at all. If yu were raised evil narcissist, what would yu expect her to be other than a liar??
@@zwergie256 it's honestly more proof of what a sociopath psycho she is. This whole story is absolutely despicable, the notoriety in money Gypsy and her family are making makes me sick to my stomach. My heart goes out to Nicholas's family as there is no way they could have seen this coming .
@@lindacarbone9576 I agree. She also announced she's suing Hulu - from prison - she's been a busy little bee. It looks to me like there was no Munchausen, it looks like she was involved in a major scam with her mother, and she was fully on board. Not only did she pretend to be a paraplegic for years, she was 23 when she got arrested, so she was faking being wheelchair bound for FIVE years as an adult - that's fraud, she also faked being a child, she faked the baby voice. Now, no way her mother could have made her do that, alter her voice. This is her first hearing after they got arrested, her mother's not around anymore, Listen: ruclips.net/video/q4KvjI4mUoA/видео.html Now compare her voice to her recent interviews, her Dr. Phil segment. The cruel irony here is that Godejohn really is a child, effectively, while she's a fully functioning adult. This woman targeted Godejohn, manipulated him, and framed him. He's an autistic guy with the mental age of a ten year old, and he's in some supermax, forever.
@@starrykat7263 Yes she did not to mention she claims she is the one who stole the knife, when they ask her why she stole it she said that the ones in the house we're not sufficient enough .
KingSabsLane The fact that his mental illness wasn’t taken into account really fucked him over. Gypsy pinning it all on him & feigning innocence really took him down too
I do believe he was manipulated, but not on purpose. I like to think of Gypsy as a good person at heart, even with the corresponding I have had with her. I think she just wanted to be loved and when she found someone--anyone--she wanted to be with that person. With that being said, every man loses his mind in adolescence and thinks about only one thing (I don't know about girls because I'm not one, but I know what teenage boys think about ALL THE TIME). I think that she wanted her freedom and he wanted to get laid so they used each other. The part that scares me with him is that he speaks of multiple personalities. Granted, he was never diagnosed but that scares me because that part of the story, they both agree on.... and that any one of those personalities can come out and at least one of those is murderous. On the other hand, he would have never heard of DeeDee Blanchard or gone to Missouri if she didn't put them on his radar, so to speak. Maybe the murderous side never would've come out. Who knows? But this did carry on for months and months, including 2 bus trips to another state, which he had hours to consider all possibilities. Every boy wants to get laid but I've never heard of killing for it. He had to have thought about that at some point. It NEVER crossed his mind to call the police or social services? I know he was thinking of Gypsy but that's the first thing a 6 year old would do....call the police.... As for the original question at hand. I believe that Gypsy does need to do some serious time (not in prison but in a mental institution), and Godejohn needs the same. Life without parole seems very harsh for someone like Godejohn. I think he should've gotten the same sentence as Gypsy. As for my personal opinion on Gypsy, I believe she does have some manipulative traits because of her mother but I also believe she is working hard to overcome that, but she needs help. I believe that if they had gotten away with it, she would always be with Godejohn and it would have been as toxic as it was with her mother because of his mental illnesses. She wanted to be loved and I think he did too. The problem is neither of them knows how to love in a healthy manner.
@@treemarie213100 She denied any responsibility and pointed the finger squarely at him. She lied through her teeth, even to her father. Only AFTER she got her sweetheart deal did she come out with some partial truths, at which point she was completely safe because she had immunity and could never be tried for this murder.
Gypsy is a manipulator . She communicated with Nick for 2 years . telling him all of what her mother had done ! Gypsy stole the knife ! Gypsy gave the knife to Nick , told Nick where her mother was in the house . And she only gets 10 years . Injustice .
And she lied to Nick saying that she was pregnant and that Dee Dee made her lose the baby ( according to the Good Wives Network) when the feeding tube was changed she supposedly lost the baby. So if that's true then that's why he killed her I think?
Noooo. I don't think he should be in prison for the rest of his life. I don't agree with that at all! His brain isn't even fully developed. Things and ideas about life are going to change with each year. I think a psychiatric ward for extensive therapy should tell the truth of it better than a prison ever will. Yes, I think he was manipulated. Thank you Dr Grande. 👍🌹
I dont think its fair to point at someone telling her to go to the police. If you'll remember, the police were called and sent to her home to inspect the situation multiple times and did not save her. I too went through that as a kid and it altered my perception of how useful the police are. Further, right around this same time her mom was working with a lawyer to make her legally dependent on her mother. Gypsy had (imo legitimate) fears that she would be seen as the crazy, handicapped daughter lashing out due to frustration with her illness, which is ultimately the position her mom wanted her to be in (or believe she was in)
We also have no idea how much medication her mother was giving her and the effects of that medication. All we know is that the mother had a pristine closet full of different drugs.
@@Juichi Many of which were waaaaay past expiration. I had forgotten this, but you are right this is also something I considered when I heard about all the medications that had such serious side effects. Not to mention a feeding tube her mom insisted on using that bypassed any tastes that could be an indication.
@@INDUSTRIALWAIST Evidently she had another guy in 2011, so she seems quite cyber adept, busy little bee . And since she met Godejohn in 2012 her virgin story is likely bullshit. Her tale about "escaping" is also odd to say the least; she hitchhiked to Arkansas, nobody noticed she's on foot ( no wheelchair) and her mother found her 4hrs later, in another state? How ? A lot of her story is highly suspect.
@@INDUSTRIALWAIST She's far more dangerous than he is. Every time anyone questions any part of her story it's always explained away by her claiming her mother controlled her, that's her explanation for everything. Well that's the thing about a dead person, they can't dispute anything. She faked being a paraplegic for five years as an adult (until her arrest at 23) - now that's fraud any way you look at it because she was an adult and used it to get money, and the law doesn't care if you claim someone else made you do it, if you're an adult that's fraud. There is a police report from 2009 when someone called 911 to report that Gypsy was not sick, ie: to report what the sheriff would later refer to as a long running financial fraud scheme. An officer went to the house and interviewed both of them, he found no criminal activity - meaning he found no fraud - this means that Gypsy went along with the act. and she was 18 at that time. To suggest she had no opportunity to blow the lid off this scam is absurd, the evidence suggests she was a willing participant in it. eu.news-leader.com/story/news/crime/2015/06/24/authorities-seize-blancharde-home/29230145/ Now consider her "escape" story; so she met some guy, presumably on the internet again, and hitchhiked to Arkansas, and she claims that her mother found her four hours later - does that make any sense? Nobody noticed she was not in a wheelchair? How did her mother track her down in another state in 4 hours? She tracked her down and put her back in her wheelchair? Why didn't this guy call the police, or the press, to tell them she's not wheelchair bound? Why has this guy never been interviewed? Now consider her theater story: she claims they met Nick at a theater and watched a Disney movie together. So how did her and Nick end up having sex in the bathroom? Did Gypsy want to go to the bathroom and her mother just let her go by herself, in her wheelchair, to a theater toilet? And what about Nick? Did he just happen to need to go to the toilet at the same time, and her brutally controlling mother didn't find that odd? She didn't find it odd that both of them were missing at the same time, for a considerable amount of time, she just sat there by herself watching the cartoon Cinderella while they fucked in the toilet? Does any of that make sense?
Tahtahme Xero What you say is true, but she knew she could walk. All she had to do was stand up in front of family, friends, at an event, at the hospital (probably the best place), or out in public even. She was abused and I’m sure very scared, but she’s smarter than we give her credit for. She hated her mother and wanted her to be murdered.
After looking at all the facts, text messages, etc in totality, i believe 100% that gypsy manipulated nic to help her escape her mother. I don't think she had the foresight to know what was to come after the murder, but she absolutely left him high and dry when she realized that she had an out
If Yolanda Saldivar got the possibility of parole for murdering an angel like Selena, then Godejohn should have at least gotten the possibility of parole for killing someone as vile as Dee Dee
I felt a lot of sympathy for Gypsy until the recent footage of an interview with her. When asked if Nick got a fair sentence she turned as cold as ice and dismissed him as if it had nothing to do with her. Cold and manipulative.
I do feel Gypsy manipulated Nicholas, but I think it was unwittingly done. I don’t think she understood that’s what she was doing. She’d never had a relationship of any kind with anyone outside her mother. I don’t think he ever did either. After a lifetime of a seriously dysfunctional and abusive relationship with her mother, I feel all she thought was this was her only chance to get away from her mother. I also see how their relationship went really fast and became sexual charged just as quick. Again she was a grown woman at that point, who never had a friend before let alone a relationship. She was immediately in love. A crush as the rest of us know it. We all remember how charged crushes were as young people. I think she confided in him, they formed a bond based around the mother’s behavior and he became her hero. HE probably never had a relationship this close either as he clearly had issues. So here they are, bonded in an utterly unhealthy way. They start talking about how great things would be if her mother wasn’t around, and somewhere in that the getting rid of Mom turns into an actual plan, that I don’t think either one took seriously at first.... The sexual tension and the sense of urgency to get away from mom became super charged and now it WAS the answer, and plan. No matter how or why it came to be, or his low IQ and medical issues, HE did the killing, with full knowledge that it was wrong. Even a child knows instinctively something like this is wrong. I agree with his sentence, however with the possibility of parole. I agree to her sentence as well. She, upon realizing what her mother has been doing to her could’ve reached out to her father or another relative if not the police. Both were delusional in thinking this was a viable plan. Delusional like desperate teens wildly in love from a distance. This proves both had developmental issues. Neither was at the maturity level they should’ve been by their age. I did follow much if the media attention on this case and saw interviews with Gypsy. As for her mother the family interviewed all reported that the mom was a con woman and something of a grifter. Always had been, even prior to having Gypsy. The mom moved around a lot to hide what she did from her family! She manipulated an entire community into believing that she and Gypsy were hurricane Katrina survivors and got a home out of it! I believe the mom duped Habitat for Humanity, I could be wrong there, but she DID get a home from her con! Who was going to question this wonderful mom with her sweet handicapped child. The community also believed Gypsy was a child. A neighbor found out Gypsy in fact could walk. They’d been duped to thinking she was confined to a wheelchair! Had Gypsy and her boyfriend done nothing at all things may’ve turned out much differently because the community was realizing they’d been duped! Anyway you look at this situation something bad was bound to happen. This was a veritable powder keg waiting to explode! Thank you Dr. Grande, great video!
If you abuse an animal, like the whales at Seaworld, they get very hostile and can even kill people. Who's to say that's not what happened here, even though what G Rose did was wrong? Maybe she didn't know how to have a healthy relationship with anyone if her mother was the only person she'd ever been close to.
Mark my words, Gypsy knew what she was doing. She was abused, yes. And horribly. She also knows exactly what abuse and manipulation looks like. We see this constantly in people in their "inherited" actions. She's like her momma. She found someone to do her dirty work. Her actions are already starting to show her weird, manipulative, possibly even sociopathic side and she's been out a day. I'm not disregarding the horrible things she went through, either. But both things can be true. In fact, we already know how trauma and traits are passed down. Dad beat his kid, kid beats his kid. Mom was a drunk, kid is a drunk. This woman is BAT SHIT CRAZY and has ALL her mother's traits.
@@stevenhair6156 Yeah, how else would she escape? There's no way the mom would have let her leave. No way she would have let go of her cash and empathy cow. She had power of attorney for her. What a terrible deranged woman.
@@poponachtschnecke she could've escaped. She was capable to walk, she could've just one night leave her house and never return. Where? I dunno somewhere where she could've then contacted for help and tell she is on a run from her abusing mother who is committing a fraud with her expense. You all act like she was trapped in a basement for years and then she had a chance to hit a sharp pen or a knife through her abusers neck to escape. To manipulate a low IQ person to do the act for you is even more disgusting what her mother did, she became the monster herself when she acted like her mother. And what did Nicholas gain from this? Nothing he is in prison for the rest of his life when he thought he will just help his girlfriend and now his girlfriend has apparently married a new man. What a disgusting human being with such a sad backstory but doesn't justify the acts she was capable to come up with.
I agree with Dr. Grande’s assessment. All facts of this case pointed to premeditated homicide and, in most states, a 1st degree murder conviction is usually a life sentence without possibility of parole or death. It’s sad the prosecution lacked empathy for Nicholas Godejohn’s diminished capacity to offer him a plea deal. I feel a life sentence with the possibility for parole after serving a minimum of 25 years would been a fair sentence in this case. I hope Nick will have enough support to help advocate for clemency or a Presidential pardon on his behalf years down the line. It is estimated 1 in a 100 children, mainly boys, are diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder, and it’s unfortunate that many of those individuals are at high risk of being incarcerated because of their poor judgment and problems solving capabilities. Our government needs to do better for children with ASD, especially for those with lower socioeconomic backgrounds because early childhood intervention is the key. There should be a mandatory ASD checklist and parental education during pediatric office visits. Children who are symptomatic should have easy access to services that will help them become a fully functioning adult.
No he didn't she played everyone like a fiddle she was a lot smarter then what everyone gives her credit for and yes she was abused and mistreated in the worst way but she learned manipulation from the best i think he should get a retrial. Thank you for talking about this no one ever talk about him only her so thank you
She learned that from her mother. That's the way she was raised. At the end of the day, Dee Dee is the one fully to blame. She dug her own grave and is now laying in it.
Krystal well dee dee mother was just like her and that’s where Dede learned everything so are you gonna say it’s the grandmothers fault what happened to gypsy? No. So how about gypsy takes responsibility for her actions too.
@@krystal7781I believe it was law & crime that said, GR father & her other relatives would not hold a furneral for DeeDee & she was cremated & ashes flushed down the toliet !!!
I am writing this at the beginning of your presentation. From what I know, the entire case reeks of injustice. I don't believe either of these young people should have done a second of jail time. However, for her to be out and married to another guy while this poor kid rots for life because she orchestrated the entire fiasco (which I really do think was a justifiable homicide) is absolutely unfair, unjust, and un-American.
At least she took responsibility for this. At that point anyways. I mean I am sure she did feel utterly powerless against her mother's manipulation of everything and everyone around her.
She's getting let out which lead me here. She is getting overwhelming support below the video about her release and its frustrating how little insight people have about how dangerous and manipulative she is. I had a horrific childhood thanks to my parents and I'm Autistic and I cant even speak badly about them without feeling guilty let alone plot their murder
Her mom was an evil and manipulative person though at the same time I can’t justify murder. Gypsy likely felt like there was no other way. She probably felt Dee Dee would kill her eventually which is very possible
@@RYMAN1321 yeah I know my father would kill me so I moved away and if he turns up I'll call the cops.. now we know Gypsy Rose is capable of murder, I just think that's something people need to remember. He actually did try and kill my mother so it's a very real possibility
look, i may be wrong, but i doubt your family is comparable to her situation unless you had the childhood of someone like the green river killer. i really doubt you are really internalizing what it would mean to be isolated, forced onto a wheel chair, forced fed through a tube, your head shaved, fed several drugs that you don't need, profited from, forced to stay quite while outside or in front of proffessionals while they are lying about you, only to then not care at all about you back at home. proceed to do medical interventions even, which have no turn around. Her life wasn't just shitty, but inimaginably shitty. and i say that as someone who comes from an abusive family, but this is a whole different and extremely rare situation.
This case is so tragic. It makes me reflect on the cascade of dysfunction and destruction that untreated mental disorders may bring. It reminds us of the importance of your profession Dr. Grande- to understand and treat the complexities of human mind is no small task. It can change the course of so many events and prevent horrific outcomes. In addition, you are educating all of us here on YT! I genuinely have no words to express how grateful I am to have come across your channel. The information you provide is priceless.❤️
She did use her situation and apparent illnesses to manipulate him she told him that her mother would Ultimately cause her death if she made her go through anymore surgeries ( honestly I believe that too) so he felt compelled , working with people with Autism they are easily manipulated and find it hard to distinguish the difference between reality and fantasy especially if somebody is playing Along also dangling the carrot of a relationship to hard for someone wanting to fit in and be normal to pass up, I honestly feel bad for him and understand the situation.
Thanks Dr. Grande. The way you explained this made complete sense. I think Gypsy is manipulative; this may have been a survival defense mechanism. The whole case is so tragic.
I'm from New Zealand. Life is around 18 to 20 years. No life without parole. They would both be in psychiatric facilities for say a few years. Then released into a secure environment. America is soooo crazy and barbaric judicially.
Alexandra Picot Soooo, what do they do with murderers or repeat offenders there in New Zealand? I’m from Oklahoma (USA) and we have the death penalty in my state. People get put to death here frequently. It’s not a big deal if it’s what you’re used to I guess 🤷🏼♀️
AMY from Oklahoma statistically speaking because they actually have rehabilitation programs their number of reoffenders is drastically less then here in America. I’m not bashing any one it’s just science. Effective ways of reducing crime versus ineffective ways of reducing crime.
We have solitary confinment and the death penalty too. LOL, it is funny that you think that our legal penalties are insane and we think that your legal penalties are insane. Well, it is just difference in Countries/Cultures.
Nick was too willing to be forthcoming when questioned by investigators. There was zero manipulation, or deception from Nick. Investigators at some point were aware that he was intellectually challenged, yet they allowed him to confess to first degree murder and sign his sworn statement. I'm not convinced any part of his statements to police, including his confession, should have been admissable in court to begin with. It appeared as though the investigators also had concerns when having him sign his statement.
Good point but what would you do if you were the cop? I think it crazy they can manipulate mentally ill people however that's not on the cops that on our politician. Just imo we definitely need a law I believe maybe like they do with minors only with parents consent type deal
@@justinmopavich3685 I don't know, they knew they had a confession..I spent like an hour looking up if there is any protocol for law enforcement to follow and I couldn't find any.. Maybe I wasn't searching right.. That can't be possible.. Nick is messed up though, like a danger to society actually I think.. But the burden of proof lies on the state.. And it's not often any agency has a capital murderer with the level of mental deficiency..
People with autism tend to be very honest and blunt in their speech - so why wouldn’t a cop use that to their advantage? We are after the truth here, his mental deficiencies don’t change that.
this video just popped up on my feed.... and here we are, four years later. and gypsy lee's story is blaring anywhere and everywhere. what a strange place the United States is, and what a strange time we are living in. thank you, as always, Dr. Grande, for your insightful and enjoyable videos.
I feel a heavy heart for those who suffer from any form of mental illness, it can create a life that is almost unbearable. That said, I am glad we still live in a society that does not allow mental illness to be an excuse to commit a violent crime. If someone is a threat to society, they need to be removed from society.
My wife knew them. We live in their hometown, and they would come in to the candle shop where she used to work, regularly. My wife said that she would try to make friendly talk with them, and (just as it was depicted in various recreations) Dee Dee would tightly grip her hand and give little warning squeezes, whenever Gypsy would try to talk or make friends. I work in a medical field so I've heard some other stories about them, too. Dee Dee behaved monstrously, and I have very little sympathy for her. Gypsy was SEVERELY mentally and physically abused for her entire life. Nicholas has no such excuse.
Uhh yeah why do we care if a lifelong child abuser gets killed? And why do we throw someone who's been abused her whole life into jail where she will be abused again for the next 10 years?
i always really felt for Gypsy Rose. I really like your analysis of this case. The thing that really stuck with me was when she said she liked being in prison compared to her previous life of horror and abuse. that really said it all. That mother was awful and in my opinion it was self defense although it is unfortunate gypsy found nicholas and dragged him in.
I don't think gypsy rose was fully aware of the consequences of having her mother murdered, what people don't understand about Munchhousen proxy is that Deedie created an isolated fabricated reality for her daughter, Gypsy cut out from society, and for her brain development from 2 yrs to 10 yrs old are critical for understanding of what's right, wrong and what's empathy, this can create a disconnected child or a frightened co-dependent both can become harmful or violent towards others, Very likely Gypsy Rose has developed sociopathic tendencies, hence sociopaths are created and not born like as psychopaths, because Deedie her self had an extreme disorder, potentially would had murdered Gypsy in a few years as she became, more desperate as rebellion takes over and had her deception is no longer contained. But I believe 100% regardless of what has happened, Gypsy Rose is deeply in need of a long road of mental health care, not prison. F.Y.I. if you haven't heard she's engaged now with another man, that can be a sign of a co-dependent human being on a new road of unhealthy relationships.
Gypsey also dressed in a Cinderella costume when talking to Godejon and the first time they met and had sx, only reinforcing and manipulating the "Prince Charming" white knight aspect. I feel so bad for him, he was just a dupe.
This also completely destroys the Munchausen assertion. If she met him at the theater how did they have sex? Presumably not in her wheelchair. She always knew she could walk and did walk. The victim cooperating or participating in the (false) symptoms of illness is not a part of Munchausen by Proxy.
@@INDUSTRIALWAIST She always knew, she faked being a paraplegic for FIVE years (arrested at 23) as an adult, that's fraud. She also claimed her mother made her wear glasses; how do you NOT know you can see without glasses? She also faked being a child for many years, her baby voice is completely fake - and her mother did not make her do that, you can't make someone alter their voice. This is Gypsy at her bail hearing, she's 23, her mother's not around anymore, listen to her voice: ruclips.net/video/q4KvjI4mUoA/видео.html Now compare that to her voice now, in interviews, in the Dr. Phil segment. The doctor who was suspect of Dee Dee's claims, Dr. Flasterstein, ran a battery of tests which all came back negative (ie: Gypsy was healthy), including her muscle tone which would be atrophied had she been a paraplegic. This shows she was getting regular exercise, she was walking. This also shows that there were no actual symptoms of illness, they were all feigned, and this necessarily means that Dee Dee wasn't actually causing illness/symptoms as is often claimed. Gypsy evidently told her father that she knew she was not ill. Draw your own conclusions.
@@zwergie256 I hope you get put in a horrible situation that you can't "just walk away" from so that you understand what Gypsy went through. You people are disgusting human beings. She wasn't committing fraud, she was a child abuse victim. She couldn't "just leave". She tried in the past and was just brought back. Why would she stay and trap herself in an abusive situation and continue being abused for years and let her mother keep all of the money for it, getting nothing out of it herself? That makes no sense.
@@zwergie256 Completely agree with you... She's highly manipulative and knows how to play the victim game. She's become a malignant covert narcissist like her mother.
I've been watching a lot of videos about this case, and this is the first time I've heard that Godejohn suggested calling the police to get Gypsy away from Dee Dee. If that's true, it really changes how I feel about Gypsy. I thought that Gypsy believed that the police would not believe her, but if an outside person suggested it and she still chose to go through with the murder, she's not as much of a victim as I thought.
Well that doesn't mean you wasn't afraid. She said she was afraid that they wouldn't believe her and Deedee would punish and respress her more. That being said, I do believe Gypsy manipulated Nick. Even if she didn't completely understand what she was doing. There's been some inconsistency in her story but she was raised by a master manipulater. I really feel she didn't see another way out. It's too bad she didn't meet someone other than Nick. Who might've been able actually help her.
amanda engelman, her mother apparently had papers declaring her mentally unfit, so she knew she wouldn't be believed. She probably could've proven it & ultimately been separated from Dee Dee by adult protective services, but she didn't even know these agencies existed. I was abused as a child & never heard of CPS until I was well into adulthood, so I can kinda relate.
@@eljesperado exa tly. She tried to run away and her mother repeatedly called the police herself and that little girl saw police, doctors, even lawyers as only trusting adults and not her, a child. Godejohn could have told his mother. eitherer him or his mother couldve called the police or protective services. Godejohn didnt trust the police either because of what he called "a misunderstanding" at a mcdonalds involving porn.
Jesperado Her mother did not have papers declaring her mentally unfit. She didn't even have adult conservatorship of Gypsy, that would have required a judge to rule as such and she would have passed the questions to show she had sound mind and competency. It is not easy to receive conservative powers over an adult as you see on tv shows.
I will definitely agree with DeeDee was the ultimate architect of her demise. For whatever Gypsy did wrong here, we have to remember that her mother's condition could have very easily and very likely been the eventual death of Gypsy. Gypsy could have easily gone into the history books simply as the sweet, unique girl who braved countless health complications and ultimately lost her battle. She didn't just have her mother killed for fun. Gypsy would have never had any bit of reason to even considering killing her mother if her mother hadn't so thoroughly and horrifically abused her for personal satisfaction. Not to mention the rest of her family didn't seem to be attentive enough to notice or at least alert authorities. Gypsy was forced into a dire situation with a skewed notion of reality. It's really not surprising it came down to a murder plot between two mentally compromised people to kill another mental compromised person who should have been a source of guidance, love and trust.
It's not about what she thought or felt or even about the murder the point is whether he had fair sentence compared to hers and if he was manipulated or not why she did it is another story just like she felt there was no other way for her to have a bf she told him that's the only way he can be with her that she needed his protection he thought that was his only chance of a girlfriend love or friend in his life because of his disability it was hard to socialize or feel loved or to know the complete difference between reality and non reality it definitely played a role because he hyper focused on her if it wasn't for her he would have done it plus of u see the after video she wasn't scared she wanted to to ear her after he finished his brownie
Really enlightening analysis, Dr. Grande. After watching the Hulu series on Gypsy Rose as well as watching some of her interviews, I can see how she may have learned how to be manipulative from her mother. Premeditated murder then all of the text messages between the two of them are indicative of the manipulation.
It's absolutely not fair! He got railroaded. He got put away BC of his dangerous fantasies I think. He wanted to r*pe Dee Dee. So he was also manipulated but he's got dangerous thought. Still shouldn't have served more than ten years.
I thought it was all very weird from the beginning. I mean, cerebral palsy, Cancer, asthma, all of that,? As a medical assistant, kind of a red flag. It's just kind of an weird combination of serious conditions that are not usually co morbid, especially with no positive sign on any medical tests and no pcp
That guy was not normal and still isn't if you've seen the police interrogation and prison interview. The case should have been thrown out just for that and in a new trial got only a little more than her, she became what her mother was.
This channel deserves way more active subs, the topics are so interesting! 👍 I've to take a closer look into this case, really! Being tortured from birth by a master manipulator with Münchhausen by proxy syndrome, Gypsy undeniably had a super hard life! & I know what I'm talking about, I've been in a hospital for 2½ months after an accident ~25 years ago and still have PTSD and depression from that time. (Which is connected to the facts, that I had an "interesting injury" which was so rare and fascinating to the doctors; that they experimented around, instead of treating me properly. They're testing all sorts of painful treatments without my consent or knowledge). So I really feel for Gypsy, life has been torture for her. But I can't shake the feeling, that she's fooled the court, the jury, her discarded boyfriend,... the whole public into feeling more bad for her than she deserved. She had enough access to the internet to manipulate her bf into killing her monster-mother. - I don't miss Dee Dee, she got what she deserved. - But Gypsy couldn't google for the help she needed and send a bunch of emails, direct messages (or whatever she's able to use without her "mother" noticing) to prove her mental health and sanity to people who'd helped her? I truly doubt that, tbh. & I feel this murder was more about revenge and hatred, than self defense or fear for her own future and safety. That's why I think, I have to take a deep dive into her internet access at that time, (if possible/available online and when I've the time for it), bc I've the feeling I'm missing something highly important here. Raised by a master manipulator, this girl easily can already be and/or become a master manipulator & ticking time bomb herself. She was given the choice between prison and mental health facility and I think, she didn't tell the whole truth about the reasons why she chose prison. She said it would've "reminded her too much of a hospital and the terrible treatments she went through there". Which I can really relate to. I think that was just an excuse though, in the mental facility the doctors easily would've discovered her real motives and who she truly is/also was at the time of the murder: Someone, who'll always play the victim card, if something goes wrong. - She might become a repeated offender and she'll always discard her accomplices and portrait them in the worst ways possible, if needed to continue her own way of life... This is a very sad case! As much as I can relate to the tortures she went through, I'm really torn about this girl's future behavior. & I wonder if she isn't and will further grow into a huge danger to society with an angle's face but full of hate if something doesn't go her way immediately... She chose prison bc nobody's interested too much into her mental state/health there. :-/
Omgsh! Yes! Finally. You said exactly everything I was thinking and have tried to exhaustion to explain to people!!!! Btw, I'm so very sorry for your suffering. And as a medical professional myself, I'm begging you to remember that you must consent to everything or they cannot so much as take your vital signs. When treating patients, I must obtain verbal consent for EVERYTHING and often written consent for something as simple as injecting a patient with B12 or immunizations or even applying conductor gel to a person's face or body for laser hair removal. I can't even remove sutures from a surgery we've done without the patient signing consent. You have rights and if you're an adult, HIPAA laws prevent your medical team from so much as discussing an appointment let alone treatment with anyone unless you consent.
@@AlphaMom55 Unfortunately I've been unconscious, while they found me and for the following 12 days, so most of the first consent the doctors got there, came from my parents. I've been 27 though (52 now), but age doesn't matter much in such an emergency situation. My parents certainly didn't consent to any secret tests and/or experiments though, so I don't blame them. I'm living in Austria/Europe and this all has happened ~25 years ago. There was no internet to look for any informations online, this was a completely different time. Even the law for a patient's will still didn't exist in 1994 yet, this came out later in 2006. These tests were all done entirely secretly. Thankfully the lowest ranking doctor told me the truth, because I was mentally at the point of wanting to jump out of the hospital's window. He recommended, I should look for a second opinion (medically) and he's been completely right and truthful; but I couldn't walk, which complicated everything tremendously. It's been even worse than he'd expected as my right leg's bones were necrotic as well - I'd suffered a so called "compartment syndrome" cause my leg had been stuck for more than 36 hours, while I've been unconscious - and I had to amputate that leg later in another hospital. I knew about the necrotic flesh, but not the bones; doctors lied to me. (Till today I wish they would've found me dead). I had to promise this honest doctor not to say to his colleagues, that he's been the one who's told me though. Necrotic bones are easily to spot on an x-ray after a few days, that's why they never made one, when I was awake. - I'm absolutely certain they did x-rays before my surgeries though, during anesthesia. & I'm sure they knew exactly what's going on! There're literally allies of red flags everywhere. The other doctors had already planned to transplant muscles, nerves, skin, (...) from my shoulders, upper legs and back onto these necrotic bones. - This would've been totally pointless of course, but the entire procedure would've lasted for 3 years(!), in which I would've been in this hospital for most of the time, only going home "on vacation" for a few weeks in-between. (Or for as long as they could've hidden the necrotic bones successfully). They've even said, that they "couldn't release me with open wounds" and they've BLACKMAILED me into giving my own written CONSENT - to transplant skin from my upper leg onto these wounds, which were full of puss cause of the necrosis - IN EXCHANGE FOR GETTING RELEASED from that hospital afterwards... (I've never signed such a nonsense during any police interrogations, but under these circumstances, I've caved and signed to finally go home; sigh). They skinned my whole right upper leg, but cause of the puss, these transplants didn't work of course. (They've tried 3x). This was not the point of their skinning anyways, they also skinned 2 other women of my room on the same day and their own skin transplants didn't work on their wounds either. We were 6 women in that hospital room and who knows, if they've also done this to other patients from other rooms. - I couldn't leave my bed to go looking into the other rooms anyways. We've all had different bandages (!) though on the spots from where they took the mesh craft/skin. & The next day a very young doctor - (who's a highly well known plastic surgeon now) - came and questioned us about these different bandages. That was the only reason for this whole procedure. He even had some sort of plastic measure object "for idiots" on which you could show him the amount of pain from 1 to 100 (during change of the bandages and during wearing). Still hate this guy for that somehow. & This is only 1 example I wrote down to give you an idea of which type of experiments I went through. - So 3 years (!) of experimenting was their plan/goal they didn't tell me about of course, I've had no insurance at that time and was their half private half official guinea pig. Cause of all this completely unnecessary delay, I got hepatitis C from blood transfusions and/or blood products, too. Which was a deadly and incurable disease at that time and looking back, I'm grateful now that I got it! Needless to say, I'm on disability now. & Avoid doctors at all costs. I know my liver is gone soon and I'm grateful and fine with that, I'll certainly make no organ transplantation. I'll never become their "object to study" again, they can literally kiss my a..! Suing in this country is also totally pointless. I've tried cause of the hepatitis C infection I got there, as this was the easiest to prove and first I wanted to start with in court, bc the rest with these experiments would've been way harder to prove. - But after seeing, that I've had troubles with the law for smoking weed, no lawyer wanted to take my case. Those I spoke to all said, the hospital would claim, that I've got the HCV before I've had the accident and came to them. They didn't even look into the people who've donated that blood... This being the times with paper files, they most likely didn't even have any idea and overview anyways. (& I also didn't have the physical and mental power to search for hundreds of lawyers on foot, still I've no DL cause of the old weed story and besides that, getting morphine for pain now). So yeah, I think the consent question is VERY different nowadays. It also varies from country to country I'd say. SORRY for the long rant! At that point in time though, consent my a...! I'm at least in mental pain daily, life is constant torture, I've no trust in people anymore and I want to die asap! I'm grossed out as soon as I wake up and look at the missing leg and the stripes on my upper leg (where this plastic surgeon had removed my skin). I wish for a change of law for medical assisted suicide, I'm to weak to move to the Netherlands where it's allowed! You can't even begin to imagine... I'll never get over this! Bye
@@Anita-kI am so sorry for everything you've gone through 😢 It's horrific. This is an old comment so I don't even know if you are still alive today. If you are I just want to say that I am sorry for everything you've gone through. Life doesn't make sense sometimes does it. 😢.
If you watch Gypsy's court testimony at Nick's trial, she admits she stole the knife and that she asked him to kill her Mom. I believe her ongoing abuse caused her to feel there was no other options. Nick's sentence seems too harsh, yet seems he may have done something like this even if he hadn't meant Gypsy.
She learnt from her mother that was mostly all she knew . She did use him she was able to recognise he would dance if she told him and she did just that. She did think or i believe mail the knife to him didn't she. He suggested she leave with him forget about mother but she insisted on staying.
Gypsy stole the knife from Walmart, she didn’t mail it to him (what would be the point in doing that) they both mailed the knife back to WI after the murder so they wouldn’t be caught carrying it on the bus. He never suggested she leave, they had planned to leave together to “start a new life”. She didn’t insist on staying because she wanted to get away with murder so was never going to remain in that house. He admitted to trying to hurry her up when she was cleaning up the blood, that was all. She turned the thermostat down to try to slow decomposition thereby giving them more time to get away. That was chilling to me, the amount of calculation around her crimes. Fast forward to today and many more people can see how truly manipulative she is. Destroying a mans life by using him then disposing of him when he was no longer useful, committing adultery 6 weeks after her release and now pregnant with another mans child. I’m interested in what Todd would make of her behaviour since her release.
Dee Dee apparently had papers declaring Gypsy mentally unfit, so she was afraid she wouldn't be believed by anyone. She probably could've proven it & ultimately been separated from Dee Dee by adult protective services, but she didn't even know these agencies existed. I was abused as a child & never heard of CPS until I was well into adulthood, so I can kinda relate.
I don’t nick should of gotten a life sentence with out parole it’s ridiculous. He was manipulated by her she couldn’t kill her mother herself so she used him and now he’s in prison for life and she gets out in 10years yes she was abuse mentally physically emotionally by her mother but he was just trying to “save” Gypsy. Just like you said dee dee and nick had a way out so did gypsy she could of stand up, walk, tell someone..
Glam_by_Yela she did escape many times and every time she did, she was made to apologise publicly to the people involved. No one believed Gypsy, they trusted Dee Dees word.
Gypsy killed her mother by manipulation and proxy just like her mother was doing to her, it was bound to happen given Gypsy only knew this life of manipulation and use of proxy, and her freedom and life was up to her alone with no help or notion of help occuring.
I agree with your statements. ASD would make an individual (typically) more naive and vulnerable to manipulation. This seems to be exacerbated when you're dealing with diminished capacity in situations where these people have strongly bonded to another. I've seen brutally honest people with ASD and IQs of less than 80 be coerced into "learning" dishonesty by a manipulative parent. Low empathy isn't always a component of diminished capacity, because this can also be true of those with normal or higher IQs. What *is* especially horrifying about this is the premeditation and violence of the murder. I absolutely concur: there were several legal alternatives Gypsy Rose could have found. "Feeling trapped" is not *being* trapped. So we could apply Learned Helplessness. But I'm very uncomfortable with the fact that she lied. I believe her sentence was much too lenient and he needed (needs) Mental Health intervention. 🐯
Yes at the same time, a large percentage of people with autism do not hear multiple voices or claim to have multiple personalities. He also lied regularly after and during the murder plan. People with autism wouldnt be able to lie. I know. I have autism
@@charlierohkohl5182 Most people with ASD don't lie. I don't lie. But I have worked with Autistic people who have been strongly bonded to a parent who is dishonest or violent who convinces them to lie about or do harm to a certain person. These were not high-functioning individuals and they were, IMO, overmedicated and possibly incorrectly medicated. As for hearing voices? Multiple Personalities? No. This would indicate either a second or third Co-morbid condition, deception or an incorrect diagnosis altogether. 🐯
@@octoberskye1049 that's what i said. Yes, they learn over time but i cannot imagine in a long dsitance relationship where their speaking via videa and text would cause a serious affect on his ability to lie comfortably without any meltdowns.
@@charlierohkohl5182 Dude I have ASD and I'm a fabulous liar. We are all individuals. I mask hard and as a result I can lie better than many neurotypicals. I realise this vid is old but she's getting out now
I 110% believe Gypsy took advantage of Nicholas’s state of mind. However Gypsy was a victim of horrendous abuse that spanned over 2 decades and had limited options to escape it. My sympathy goes out to both of them. But I can’t help have a slight resentment towards Gypsy for what she did. She knew Nicholas was vulnerable with Autism and various other mental challenges and weaponised it to her advantage to get him to do what she wanted. I believe he truly loved her and all he ever wanted was to be loved but the sad reality is that I don’t think she loved him as much or loved him at all. He didn’t deserve that sentence and I hope one day he is able to get it appealed but that doesn’t seem likely.
I agree John should go to prison for the murder, but life absolutely no way and she gets 10 years she she was mentally abused but planning a murder and getting a kid with aspergers to commit it by going on at him she learnt by the best and let's not forget dd learnt by her mother. Gypsy should never be allowed freedom. She didn't/doesn't have a a learning disability in anyway shape or form
Reeta Tassberg I’m so sick of this excuse. So what? A child who was raped doesn’t have the right to get a lighter sentence for raping a child. Like wtf just cause she was abused doesn’t give her the right to plan and execute a murder! Especially since all she had to do was stand up at the next bbq or at the doctors office. And self defense is immediate response to a threat. Dede was passed out from drugs in bed and not a threat so....she could’ve just ran away with nick to Wisconsin and I’m sure her mother wouldn’t even know where to start looking for her
I've seen people commit murder and get 20 years and may serve 15-20. I work in a mental health facility and the people I have seen who pull this time are mentally healthier then Nicholas. He really thought he was saving Gypsy. I do not think it's fair that a special needs young man got life in prison when she got 10 years. I think he could have been rehabilitated and put on medication and at least given another chance at life. I am positive his parents would also keep a closer look on him too. I know I would. As a mother to an autistic son. There are 3 levels to Autism but Doctor's, (90%+) don't use these levels anymore because there's such a wide spectrum to Autism. They would not put my son on a level. He would be level 2.3- almost level 3. He is 7 and on a toddler level and he's been on the same level since he was 3. I always wonder if later down the road he will develop into a 10-15 year level. But right now he mostly acts like a 1-2 year old (worse tantrums) but speech at 2. Each year he remains at this level and I pray for improvement. I can definitely sympathize with his parents and family. ALSO. Autistic people are easily manipulated. They are rarely the perpetrators. I also believe he had a mood disorder on top. He could have gotten help. The justic system 100% failed him. As mentioned Autistic individuals are easily manipulated yes but rarely commit murder. She really manipulated him. She even went and got into all the personalities to build this repor to get him to like her more because I think she was setting him up to murder her. In addition to wanting to feel love. She also used him and she knows she did. It doesn't seem like she knows how to hold accountability for her mistakes. When she finally did hold some accountablility it was likely because she wanted to be well received in the court of public opinion. Her mother was very charming and very manipulative and she seems to be the same way. Her mother was just very cruel and calculating and I'm sure she felt there was no other way out (to an extent), but I also feel like she grew to enjoy the wheelchair and being the center of attention when it benefited her. I think that's part of the reason she didn't confide in others and the other part was fear and stolkholm syndrome. I think her sentence of 10 years was fair but I don't think he should have received life in prison.
Heard they had sex right after the mother was murdered! Then footages show them checking into hotels etc. And when police was questioning her, the way she faked a shock & cried was proof enough she had no regrets. So sorry but i do feel she was as manipulative as her mother. Though she was jailed before she could do more harm!
I've said this before, I would argue that Gypsy WAS in immediate danger. Her mother was giving her dangerous things to make her ill, and she could have dropped dead at any moment. It's a miracle that she didn't.
How has he taken “no responsibility” for the crime? We have the word of two people against each other, one of whom appears to have acted to rescue someone else from extreme abuse, at the urging of the abused person, which may have involved exaggerations or lies. He was successfully used, and then he was discarded holding the bag. The difference in their two sentences is outrageous. I hope she will eventually lobby for leniency for him and hold herself responsible for where he ended up.
@@jomcmenamin4579 I am hoping her conscience speaks to her some day. It might not be until she has had a taste of freedom and normal life. Or maybe motherhood. Anyway I disagree quite a bit with Dr. G. The sentence disparity is way too high, given their roles, and also their disagreement as to their roles.
I want to respect differing opinions on the sentencing, and to consider different sides, but.... as far as the severely abusive situation goes, I don’t think that required any exaggeration. I don’t think it’s fair to imply that gypsy rose exaggerated or lied about the severity of the abuse or how much it was affecting her mentally. Other things, sure. But the abuse took its toll. And being literally trapped in a house as well as in a web of your mother’s lies... and being isolated and disallowed any agency....your whole life... I can understand why she would feel to some extent powerless, and desperate for some way to escape. The fear, and feeling of a lack of options that she might’ve felt.... seems valid given the situation.
@63 Rambler I agree. And I would add that a grown woman of 23 with a normal IQ got a slap on the wrist while he, an autistic guy with the mental age of a ten year old, got completely destroyed. When they were apprehended by the police Gypsy immediately started lying, first she claimed she didn't know anything then she claimed Godejohn did it all. By contrast, he immediately confessed and did not in any way deny he himself committed the murder. She targeted this guy, recruited him and framed him. Grande should ask himself why SHE mailed the knife to HIS house, and why SHE went on facebook, while pretending to be HIM, and posted a (false) claim that she was raped, suggesting she was kidnapped.
@@jomcmenamin4579 She won't lobby for him because she recruited him and framed him, quite deliberately. Now she got a slap on the wrist and a whole load of sympathy. She will make money off this too. She's already on the media circuit, while he's buried forever.
As a mother of two autistic boys this breaks my heart taking advantage of a young boy who can and could be minipulated he did not get a fair trail now what she went threw was terrible and I do feel for her but she threw it all on him that's what makes her a monster too she asked him to do it and didn't take an ounce of blame she has been trained to minipulate and she is just as much as fault the only reason she didn't face a jury is because they were afraid that the jury would take pity on her apart from what she went threw this breaks my heart
She also said all she knew what to do is lie and she was good at lying without feeling bad bad for it! Makes it hard for me to believe a lot of things she said, yes i believe she went through a lot, but i also think she over exaggerated some things to try and get less time in prison
I believe, whether the boy was manipulated or not, that girl could NOT have received any outside help EVER. She would have NEVER gotten away from Dee Dee. These 2 kids should never have met...ever. idk about the rest. Sad all around
Umm..all She had to do was walk to the neighbors house and tell them what happened. Actually all she had to do was run outside during the day and shout in the street to expose her mother. She didn't though.
@@ginger8805 abuse doesn't work that way, that poor girl was abused her entire life. Every time she tried to leave her mother found her, beat her and it was worse each time. You can pretend to know but you can't unless you have been there. Sounds easy to you and me but those kinds of thoughts don't pop into victims heads.
I enjoyed this video and agreed with much of what was said. I believe when Gypsy gets out of prison, she needs to be housed within a system that will not only protect her but also protect others from her learned and deeply imprinted skills. I believe that if she is left to her own devices, she will remain just as dangerous as Nicholas would be if he was left to his own devices. Nicholas has murdered in cold blood and did so without grasping the later consequences of this crime. As an adult with autism and a learning disability, he should NOT be spending the rest of his life in prison but in a supported living environment where he has expert guardians 24/7. He needs to be with people who understand his condition and thats never going to happen in prison.
Jan Maria Blackwell in America most criminals don’t get help after getting out of jail and en ld up going back again. I don’t think Gypsy will murder anyone ense but she can be manipulated by someone. Godejohn has been arrested before. He shoyld have gotten help long before this murder.
Unfortunately when prison systems become 'for profit' they give little in mental health and demand long term prisoners. I don't think Gypsy will coerce anyone else into murder but I believe, because of her abusive upbringing, she will, if not helped, revert back to what she knows best. Having spent years working with severe autistic adults with learning disabilities, I'm not in the least surprised that Godejohn had been arrested for flashing. From that point on he should of been in 24/7 assisted living with guardians protecting both him and others from him. @@Ritaaw1
This is a very informative analysis of certain extenuating circumstances, and it concisely yet effectively maintains sensitivity to the complex dynamics of the case. I have reviewed other articles and presentations about the Gypsy Rose Blanchard saga, but now, after viewing this video here, I can say that Dr. Grande has filled numerous gaps in the credible information which I have encountered thus far -excepting the official published criminal court transcripts. I say this because Dr. Grande focuses on mental health and cognitive disabilities issues influencing the court’s rulings, and includes all three parties involved in this focus, with fairness and objective compassion for all three of these individuals. This case and the court’s rulings have drawn my attention for personal reasons (as a survivor of long term abuse and torture) but from an academic standpoint I really appreciate Dr. Grande’s approach here to the topic of manipulation, and how an individual’s use of -or vulnerability to-manipulation can have a tremendous influence on outcomes in the courts, as well as in our life experiences.
This case gets to me sometimes. I am sort of glad that she didnt get that much time because she as a victim, like any other victim sometimes feel, like she was driven to think of killing her mother. In regards to nick, its unbelievable that he got life in prison just because of his mental issue. Some people get off with very short time just for not knowing “right from wrong”, which I believe it makes no sense. So why did he get so much?!
If Nicolas Godejohn was so vulnerable, where was his family throughout this relationship? If he was vulnerable they should have been more aware of what he was doing, so they could assist him to not make decisions that could ultimately end up harmful to him.
@@ThatMans-anAnimalThen Dee Dee didn't have complete control. Gypsy wouldn't have been able to start a relationship if her mom had complete control. There's some holes in this that need to be looked at. Also if Gypsy had access to the internet then she could have easily researched ways to get away. Instead she chose to be like her mother.
I strongly believe that being exposed as a fraud and scammer would have been worse than death for Dee Dee. I wonder if Gypsy was just so convinced that Dee Dee was the judge, jury, ruler that it would be impossible to get away from her.
Gypsy is now free. I agree with your final thoughts. She continues to crave attention but I wish her well. It’s a shame NG didn’t get possibility of parole for the reasons you cited .
To me the more I watch about gypsy and Nicolas it’s becoming clear as day she used him and manipulated him knowing he loved her and would do anything for her in the interrogation when they both got arrested she was putting all the blame on him saying she wouldn’t hurt her mum she’s a manipulator a liar and used him as soon as he killed her mum she didn’t want to know him she should have got more time than him because she was setting him up and told him what to do knowing he had split personalities
A man's life wasted because of his love for a person who wanted him to do her dirty deed all through the fact of him being a vulnerable person and her having a good teacher of manipulation. So yes he was totally manipulated by her and yes he sentencing should have been looked at for the fact of his mental health issues and her influence on the way she played him.
I believe the contemplation of sexually assaulting Dee played a big factor in the decision for no parole it sure makes me think of it differently as far as risk to society
watching this video and i just wanted to let you know i definitely like your newer intro better but i still will go back and watch your older videos obviously! would love to see a gypsy rose update since she was released.
I saw one of his videos over the weekend and immediately substituted. This man divers facts in an intelligent manner and without inserting irrelevant information or emotion.
Gypsy was convicted for murder of her own mother. If her mother was the worst person in the world, her crime is still unforgivable: she took a life of person who gave her life. Her ex boyfriend is guilty too, but weight of moral guilt is way bigger on her side. They could both escape from Didi without murdering her and stealing money from her.
Unrelated to the subject, but dr Grande, did you move your camera closer? It doesn't show the top of your head and that slightly bothers me.. not saying "go back to the original setup" but.. Actually, I am saying that. Tia 😉
Listening to Dr. Phil’s podcast The Killer Thorne is Gypsy Rose. It’s a 3 part podcast. The 3rd was a sit down interview with her. Dr Phil states before we hear Gypsy that she WAS the true mastermind of her mothers demise.
Yeah he was 100% manipulated by her. I dont understand how everybody is so supportive of her. She lied, she manipulated, she feined shock and surprise over her mothers death. He didnt lie, he was forthcoming with his part of the plot. She is just as lousy as her mother!
He got more time because he was a boy, Gypsy Rose got less time because she is a girl. Although she was a manipulative person (what she learned from her mom) They should have gotten the same sentence for the crime.
Vilma Camacho But she didn’t stab her mother, had been a childhood victim of SEVERE abuse and was sexually confused. He was a criminal before he did this. I’m not saying I agree with his sentence though.
No. Verdict wasn’t fair. He was manipulated into killing her mother. She is out and enjoying life. He’s suffering behind bars for life. Unfair verdict. He did it thinking he’s saving her life. He had low IQ. He wasn’t dealt with the verdict equally as Gypsy. Girl enjoyed all her life with fame and fortune. She wasn’t under fed. Yes mother did wrong things. But she didn’t deserve to be killed. She could have gone to the police. But instead missed a pawn to commit her crime. He’s behind bars for years and she’s out?
Two of my three children have autism. My daughter is 24 and my son 16. My daughter was originally diagnosed with aspergers but of course that diagnosis code dosen´t exist anymore they are under the autism spectrum. My son was non verbal till 5. My daughter has no speech issues. But I find diagnosing as a level one or two can be very misleading. One child may excel in one area and have major trouble in another and both needing constant support to function. My son has an IQ of 136 but cannot ride a bike or tie his shoes. He is very innocent in his thinking but can be persuaded to do most anything. I can definitely see how someone on the spectrum could be easily led because my experience shows that most children on the spectrum are very eager to please. They love attention, and will do just about anything to get it. I feel he should eventually get parole.
Thank you! Autistic people really take issue with functioning labels or "levels" for the same reasons you've mentioned. To me, functioning labels/levels (and previously, the "Asperger's" diagnosis) are used to separate "good" (read: allistic/non-autistic passing) autistic people from "bad" (read: non-passing) autistic people, entirely from an allistic person's outside perspective. They aren't truly reflective of an autistic person's abilities and an autistic person's level of functioning can fluctuate for many reasons. In the same vein, "mental age" rubs me the wrong way as well. It's another way of judging autistic people through allistic (non-autistic) standards rather than their own merit. A 21 year old autistic person isn't equivalent to a ten year old allistic person. To suggest that is the case would be infantilizing autistic people. A 21 year old autistic person has the mentality and the experiences of...well, a 21 year old autistic person. They might need more assistance than an allistic 21 year old, but that doesn't make them any less worthy of respect.
Another point I would like to hear you address is this. I am old enough to remember the Pamalea Smart case out of New England. Pam Smart was a teacher's aide in a school, 23 years old and having sex with a 15 year old boy she knew from school. She had him and his friends kill her new husband in the dawn of his life. She, Pam Smart is serving life here in New York's Bedford Prison for Women, and the boys served 25 years and are out. This shouldn't be in reverse for without Gypsy, Nick doesn't kill anyone.
As far as I'm concerned, Nicholas did the world a favor and got rid of a sick, abusive woman. He helped out an abused girl. I hope he has appeals left in the court system, because I don't feel like he deserved life in prison. Yeah, he committed a murder and deserves to be punished for it, but with all his extenuating factors, he deserved a lesser sentence. Gypsy didn't deserve any time at all, in my opinion. Gypsy served her time in hell with her monster mother. She was imprisoned her whole life. I'm glad they didn't give her a crazy long sentence. I hope she gets the help she needs while on the inside and is able to start a better life when she's released.
How on earth could you say that the guy functioned like a 10 year old, then also say that life in jail is the right choice? It's throwing away an entire person with a disability because they didn't have the decision making capacity that someone without a disability would make.
Did anyone see his interview ? I was thinking his sentence was too harsh until I saw it: he said he had a devil on his shoulder and it had been there for a long time: he definitely was a dynamite , and I think it was just a matter of time. He would need a lot of therapy and supervision for anyone to ever feel safe with him on the streets.
I think it's fair especially because, in the trial, when asked if he would kill someone again, he said yes. The life sentence was mostly for the safety of other people. However, I don't think he should've been sent to prison, maybe a mental institution would've been more fitting
I disagree with the sentiment “Gypsy rose was not in immediate danger on the day of the killing.” I’m not defending her behavior, but to me she seems like a kidnapping victim, so everyday she was in danger and victim to real physical harm.
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Well, he confessed right away... she did not. She acted as if she did not know her mom was dead, and never took any responsibility in her initial interrogations. She tried to manipulate the police the same way she manipulated Nick
Mrs.A she could have been dissociated
because they had a plan for what they were gonna tell police
She claimed he raped her after the murder, but it was consensual.
I do not think he got a fair sentence . He was manipulated mentally. I believe Gypsy Rose couldn't have been in that environment with her mother for as long as she was and not learn the behavior. I do believe Gypsy Rose was abused however I believe Nick was a victim too.
Crime is always a crime and he is an adult. Godejohn could have avoided killing, for Gypsy this was self defense.
I totally agree with you! I'm sure she has picked up on the power of manipulation and I do worry about when she is let out (I think she'll be released much earlier than 10 years).
Danielle Quintero shouldn’t he be in a mental health prison? I believe she should too. It’s a travesty that she’s not getting mental health help.
He had the mental capability to kill. If it wasn’t with Gypsy, it could’ve been with someone else. Two severely mentally damaged people together have the potential to do some serious harm.
Wait, food for thought! The fact that he was able to be manipulated so easily, doesn't that make him more dangerous that the average person? Hes proven he will go and murder someone for a girl who wants him to.
People tend to forget how gypsy faked shock that her mother was dead once arrested by police. She knew the game she was playing. Yes she was a victim of her mother but she also learned these manipulative techniques from her which makes her dangerous to others as well
And now she’s free.
I do wish her the best, her evil egg donor put her through so much torture
If she only got 10 years, he shouldn’t get more than 20 years. The sentence was too harsh. De Dee was a monster!
Both of them should be released.
Man, if yu kill ur abuser it should be self defense. Who cares about danger at the moment when ur in danger all the time .
@@NotReallyAya. I agree but she manipulated him Into the murder so she deserves as bad as her mother.
@@ToxicBrando she’s as bad as her abuser bC she manipulated someone ? Her mom raised her to do exactly that, LIE. That’s not good logic, she ain’t bad, but yes she deserves some sort of punishment, not as bad as her evil ass mother thO at all. If yu were raised evil narcissist, what would yu expect her to be other than a liar??
@@NotReallyAya. that doesn’t change the fact she told someone to commit premeditated murder
I feel Nick was vulnerable in mentality & maniputation. I don't think the sentencing was fair.
She destroyed him
@@zwergie256 Not to mention his family,
@@lindacarbone9576 And now she's engaged to be married, isn't that lovely?
@@zwergie256 it's honestly more proof of what a sociopath psycho she is. This whole story is absolutely despicable, the notoriety in money Gypsy and her family are making makes me sick to my stomach. My heart goes out to Nicholas's family as there is no way they could have seen this coming .
@@lindacarbone9576 I agree. She also announced she's suing Hulu - from prison - she's been a busy little bee. It looks to me like there was no Munchausen, it looks like she was involved in a major scam with her mother, and she was fully on board. Not only did she pretend to be a paraplegic for years, she was 23 when she got arrested, so she was faking being wheelchair bound for FIVE years as an adult - that's fraud, she also faked being a child, she faked the baby voice. Now, no way her mother could have made her do that, alter her voice. This is her first hearing after they got arrested, her mother's not around anymore, Listen:
ruclips.net/video/q4KvjI4mUoA/видео.html
Now compare her voice to her recent interviews, her Dr. Phil segment.
The cruel irony here is that Godejohn really is a child, effectively, while she's a fully functioning adult.
This woman targeted Godejohn, manipulated him, and framed him.
He's an autistic guy with the mental age of a ten year old, and he's in some supermax, forever.
Gypsy Rose learned well from a master manipulator - that is all.
Anna Starr 💯
Thank you!!! I've said it since day one
She admitted herself that her mother taught her how to be a great liar.
@@starrykat7263 Yes she did not to mention she claims she is the one who stole the knife, when they ask her why she stole it she said that the ones in the house we're not sufficient enough .
@@lindacarbone9576 Exactly. She is in prison,and not a treatment facility for a reason.
I feel like his sentence was too harsh .. He was manipulated i believe
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The fact that his mental illness wasn’t taken into account really fucked him over. Gypsy pinning it all on him & feigning innocence really took him down too
I do believe he was manipulated, but not on purpose. I like to think of Gypsy as a good person at heart, even with the corresponding I have had with her. I think she just wanted to be loved and when she found someone--anyone--she wanted to be with that person.
With that being said, every man loses his mind in adolescence and thinks about only one thing (I don't know about girls because I'm not one, but I know what teenage boys think about ALL THE TIME). I think that she wanted her freedom and he wanted to get laid so they used each other. The part that scares me with him is that he speaks of multiple personalities. Granted, he was never diagnosed but that scares me because that part of the story, they both agree on.... and that any one of those personalities can come out and at least one of those is murderous.
On the other hand, he would have never heard of DeeDee Blanchard or gone to Missouri if she didn't put them on his radar, so to speak. Maybe the murderous side never would've come out. Who knows? But this did carry on for months and months, including 2 bus trips to another state, which he had hours to consider all possibilities. Every boy wants to get laid but I've never heard of killing for it. He had to have thought about that at some point. It NEVER crossed his mind to call the police or social services? I know he was thinking of Gypsy but that's the first thing a 6 year old would do....call the police....
As for the original question at hand. I believe that Gypsy does need to do some serious time (not in prison but in a mental institution), and Godejohn needs the same. Life without parole seems very harsh for someone like Godejohn. I think he should've gotten the same sentence as Gypsy.
As for my personal opinion on Gypsy, I believe she does have some manipulative traits because of her mother but I also believe she is working hard to overcome that, but she needs help.
I believe that if they had gotten away with it, she would always be with Godejohn and it would have been as toxic as it was with her mother because of his mental illnesses. She wanted to be loved and I think he did too. The problem is neither of them knows how to love in a healthy manner.
iBeFloe To be fair gypsy admitted and took full responsibility for asking him to do it at his trial.
iBeFloe Gypsy testified on his behalf during his trial. Have you not seen that video?
@@treemarie213100 She denied any responsibility and pointed the finger squarely at him. She lied through her teeth, even to her father. Only AFTER she got her sweetheart deal did she come out with some partial truths, at which point she was completely safe because she had immunity and could never be tried for this murder.
Gypsy is a manipulator . She communicated with Nick for 2 years . telling him all of what her mother had done ! Gypsy stole the knife ! Gypsy gave the knife to Nick , told Nick where her mother was in the house . And she only gets 10 years . Injustice .
And she lied to Nick saying that she was pregnant and that Dee Dee made her lose the baby ( according to the Good Wives Network) when the feeding tube was changed she supposedly lost the baby. So if that's true then that's why he killed her I think?
Noooo. I don't think he should be in prison for the rest of his life. I don't agree with that at all! His brain isn't even fully developed. Things and ideas about life are going to change with each year.
I think a psychiatric ward for extensive therapy should tell the truth of it better than a prison ever will.
Yes, I think he was manipulated. Thank you Dr Grande. 👍🌹
I agree 💯 yes this is so absurd !
Things and ideas do change each year. In Northern Europe it’s impossible to send a person to jail for life at once but ansentence can be prolonged.
@@Ritaaw1 Interesting.
I do believe as well getting psychiatric help will more suitable for him.
He admitted to killing her too. He should’ve only got 29 years
I dont think its fair to point at someone telling her to go to the police. If you'll remember, the police were called and sent to her home to inspect the situation multiple times and did not save her. I too went through that as a kid and it altered my perception of how useful the police are. Further, right around this same time her mom was working with a lawyer to make her legally dependent on her mother. Gypsy had (imo legitimate) fears that she would be seen as the crazy, handicapped daughter lashing out due to frustration with her illness, which is ultimately the position her mom wanted her to be in (or believe she was in)
We also have no idea how much medication her mother was giving her and the effects of that medication. All we know is that the mother had a pristine closet full of different drugs.
@@Juichi Many of which were waaaaay past expiration. I had forgotten this, but you are right this is also something I considered when I heard about all the medications that had such serious side effects. Not to mention a feeding tube her mom insisted on using that bypassed any tastes that could be an indication.
@@INDUSTRIALWAIST Evidently she had another guy in 2011, so she seems quite cyber adept, busy little bee . And since she met Godejohn in 2012 her virgin story is likely bullshit. Her tale about "escaping" is also odd to say the least; she hitchhiked to Arkansas, nobody noticed she's on foot ( no wheelchair) and her mother found her 4hrs later, in another state? How ?
A lot of her story is highly suspect.
@@INDUSTRIALWAIST She's far more dangerous than he is.
Every time anyone questions any part of her story it's always explained away by her claiming her mother controlled her, that's her explanation for everything. Well that's the thing about a dead person, they can't dispute anything. She faked being a paraplegic for five years as an adult (until her arrest at 23) - now that's fraud any way you look at it because she was an adult and used it to get money, and the law doesn't care if you claim someone else made you do it, if you're an adult that's fraud.
There is a police report from 2009 when someone called 911 to report that Gypsy was not sick, ie: to report what the sheriff would later refer to as a long running financial fraud scheme. An officer went to the house and interviewed both of them, he found no criminal activity - meaning he found no fraud - this means that Gypsy went along with the act. and she was 18 at that time. To suggest she had no opportunity to blow the lid off this scam is absurd, the evidence suggests she was a willing participant in it. eu.news-leader.com/story/news/crime/2015/06/24/authorities-seize-blancharde-home/29230145/
Now consider her "escape" story; so she met some guy, presumably on the internet again, and hitchhiked to Arkansas, and she claims that her mother found her four hours later - does that make any sense? Nobody noticed she was not in a wheelchair? How did her mother track her down in another state in 4 hours? She tracked her down and put her back in her wheelchair? Why didn't this guy call the police, or the press, to tell them she's not wheelchair bound? Why has this guy never been interviewed?
Now consider her theater story: she claims they met Nick at a theater and watched a Disney movie together. So how did her and Nick end up having sex in the bathroom? Did Gypsy want to go to the bathroom and her mother just let her go by herself, in her wheelchair, to a theater toilet? And what about Nick? Did he just happen to need to go to the toilet at the same time, and her brutally controlling mother didn't find that odd? She didn't find it odd that both of them were missing at the same time, for a considerable amount of time, she just sat there by herself watching the cartoon Cinderella while they fucked in the toilet? Does any of that make sense?
Tahtahme Xero What you say is true, but she knew she could walk. All she had to do was stand up in front of family, friends, at an event, at the hospital (probably the best place), or out in public even. She was abused and I’m sure very scared, but she’s smarter than we give her credit for. She hated her mother and wanted her to be murdered.
After looking at all the facts, text messages, etc in totality, i believe 100% that gypsy manipulated nic to help her escape her mother. I don't think she had the foresight to know what was to come after the murder, but she absolutely left him high and dry when she realized that she had an out
jesse Warren I don’t even think it was manipulation, they were naive and it was a fantasy
She asked him to murder her mother!
Yup
You sound like a bitter incel.
If Yolanda Saldivar got the possibility of parole for murdering an angel like Selena, then Godejohn should have at least gotten the possibility of parole for killing someone as vile as Dee Dee
But Yolanda killed someone in cold blood over selfish reasons who wasn’t at all a threat to her.
It’s not a given she’ll ever be released though
R.I.P. Selena!! I loved her but don't believe in" life without parole" unless it's an extreme case i.e. Chris Watts.
I felt a lot of sympathy for Gypsy until the recent footage of an interview with her. When asked if Nick got a fair sentence she turned as cold as ice and dismissed him as if it had nothing to do with her. Cold and manipulative.
"They made me do it" is not a defense. If you're not responsible for your own actions then you are the definition of a danger to society.
I do feel Gypsy manipulated Nicholas, but I think it was unwittingly done. I don’t think she understood that’s what she was doing. She’d never had a relationship of any kind with anyone outside her mother. I don’t think he ever did either. After a lifetime of a seriously dysfunctional and abusive relationship with her mother, I feel all she thought was this was her only chance to get away from her mother.
I also see how their relationship went really fast and became sexual charged just as quick. Again she was a grown woman at that point, who never had a friend before let alone a relationship. She was immediately in love. A crush as the rest of us know it. We all remember how charged crushes were as young people.
I think she confided in him, they formed a bond based around the mother’s behavior and he became her hero. HE probably never had a relationship this close either as he clearly had issues. So here they are, bonded in an utterly unhealthy way. They start talking about how great things would be if her mother wasn’t around, and somewhere in that the getting rid of Mom turns into an actual plan, that I don’t think either one took seriously at first....
The sexual tension and the sense of urgency to get away from mom became super charged and now it WAS the answer, and plan.
No matter how or why it came to be, or his low IQ and medical issues, HE did the killing, with full knowledge that it was wrong. Even a child knows instinctively something like this is wrong.
I agree with his sentence, however with the possibility of parole. I agree to her sentence as well. She, upon realizing what her mother has been doing to her could’ve reached out to her father or another relative if not the police.
Both were delusional in thinking this was a viable plan. Delusional like desperate teens wildly in love from a distance. This proves both had developmental issues. Neither was at the maturity level they should’ve been by their age. I did follow much if the media attention on this case and saw interviews with Gypsy.
As for her mother the family interviewed all reported that the mom was a con woman and something of a grifter. Always had been, even prior to having Gypsy. The mom moved around a lot to hide what she did from her family! She manipulated an entire community into believing that she and Gypsy were hurricane Katrina survivors and got a home out of it! I believe the mom duped Habitat for Humanity, I could be wrong there, but she DID get a home from her con! Who was going to question this wonderful mom with her sweet handicapped child. The community also believed Gypsy was a child. A neighbor found out Gypsy in fact could walk. They’d been duped to thinking she was confined to a wheelchair!
Had Gypsy and her boyfriend done nothing at all things may’ve turned out much differently because the community was realizing they’d been duped!
Anyway you look at this situation something bad was bound to happen. This was a veritable powder keg waiting to explode!
Thank you Dr. Grande, great video!
If you abuse an animal, like the whales at Seaworld, they get very hostile and can even kill people. Who's to say that's not what happened here, even though what G Rose did was wrong? Maybe she didn't know how to have a healthy relationship with anyone if her mother was the only person she'd ever been close to.
@@wickedfeylady Well said. What a sad situation that led to this.
I agree 190%
@@wickedfeylady Humans are not Whales. For instance would Whales build a place to store and show Humans for money.
Mark my words, Gypsy knew what she was doing. She was abused, yes. And horribly. She also knows exactly what abuse and manipulation looks like. We see this constantly in people in their "inherited" actions. She's like her momma. She found someone to do her dirty work. Her actions are already starting to show her weird, manipulative, possibly even sociopathic side and she's been out a day.
I'm not disregarding the horrible things she went through, either. But both things can be true. In fact, we already know how trauma and traits are passed down. Dad beat his kid, kid beats his kid. Mom was a drunk, kid is a drunk. This woman is BAT SHIT CRAZY and has ALL her mother's traits.
Gypsy went through a lot and grew to hate the life she was being forced to live. She found her escape in Nicholas. The real monster was that mother.
If she killed the mother in self defense in the moment that argument would stand.
Gypsy's mother took power of attorney over her into her adulthood which means there was no escape for her. Its really quite sad.
@@stevenhair6156 Yeah, how else would she escape? There's no way the mom would have let her leave. No way she would have let go of her cash and empathy cow. She had power of attorney for her. What a terrible deranged woman.
Patience Rachel yup
@@poponachtschnecke she could've escaped. She was capable to walk, she could've just one night leave her house and never return. Where? I dunno somewhere where she could've then contacted for help and tell she is on a run from her abusing mother who is committing a fraud with her expense. You all act like she was trapped in a basement for years and then she had a chance to hit a sharp pen or a knife through her abusers neck to escape. To manipulate a low IQ person to do the act for you is even more disgusting what her mother did, she became the monster herself when she acted like her mother. And what did Nicholas gain from this? Nothing he is in prison for the rest of his life when he thought he will just help his girlfriend and now his girlfriend has apparently married a new man. What a disgusting human being with such a sad backstory but doesn't justify the acts she was capable to come up with.
I agree with Dr. Grande’s assessment. All facts of this case pointed to premeditated homicide and, in most states, a 1st degree murder conviction is usually a life sentence without possibility of parole or death. It’s sad the prosecution lacked empathy for Nicholas Godejohn’s diminished capacity to offer him a plea deal. I feel a life sentence with the possibility for parole after serving a minimum of 25 years would been a fair sentence in this case. I hope Nick will have enough support to help advocate for clemency or a Presidential pardon on his behalf years down the line. It is estimated 1 in a 100 children, mainly boys, are diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder, and it’s unfortunate that many of those individuals are at high risk of being incarcerated because of their poor judgment and problems solving capabilities. Our government needs to do better for children with ASD, especially for those with lower socioeconomic backgrounds because early childhood intervention is the key. There should be a mandatory ASD checklist and parental education during pediatric office visits. Children who are symptomatic should have easy access to services that will help them become a fully functioning adult.
I don't get your comment. If he should have received life without parole then what about Gypsy?
No he didn't she played everyone like a fiddle she was a lot smarter then what everyone gives her credit for and yes she was abused and mistreated in the worst way but she learned manipulation from the best i think he should get a retrial. Thank you for talking about this no one ever talk about him only her so thank you
She learned that from her mother. That's the way she was raised. At the end of the day, Dee Dee is the one fully to blame. She dug her own grave and is now laying in it.
Krystal well dee dee mother was just like her and that’s where Dede learned everything so are you gonna say it’s the grandmothers fault what happened to gypsy? No. So how about gypsy takes responsibility for her actions too.
bear in a way yeah if u look at it.
@@smokythebear1004 that's such a good response!
@@krystal7781I believe it was law & crime that said, GR father & her other relatives would not hold a furneral for DeeDee & she was cremated & ashes flushed down the toliet !!!
I am writing this at the beginning of your presentation. From what I know, the entire case reeks of injustice. I don't believe either of these young people should have done a second of jail time. However, for her to be out and married to another guy while this poor kid rots for life because she orchestrated the entire fiasco (which I really do think was a justifiable homicide) is absolutely unfair, unjust, and un-American.
Gypsy testified in the trial that she stole the knife for Godejohn to use
She would have died soon anyway with her mom poisoning her with different medications trough her unecessary feeding tube.
Ian Ppp and she didn’t ”forget” to use VPN, I don’t think she knew what that was.
Gypsy said she shoplifted the knife from Walmart.
At least she took responsibility for this. At that point anyways. I mean I am sure she did feel utterly powerless against her mother's manipulation of everything and everyone around her.
She's getting let out which lead me here. She is getting overwhelming support below the video about her release and its frustrating how little insight people have about how dangerous and manipulative she is.
I had a horrific childhood thanks to my parents and I'm Autistic and I cant even speak badly about them without feeling guilty let alone plot their murder
Her mom was an evil and manipulative person though at the same time I can’t justify murder.
Gypsy likely felt like there was no other way. She probably felt Dee Dee would kill her eventually which is very possible
@@RYMAN1321 yeah I know my father would kill me so I moved away and if he turns up I'll call the cops.. now we know Gypsy Rose is capable of murder, I just think that's something people need to remember. He actually did try and kill my mother so it's a very real possibility
look, i may be wrong, but i doubt your family is comparable to her situation unless you had the childhood of someone like the green river killer. i really doubt you are really internalizing what it would mean to be isolated, forced onto a wheel chair, forced fed through a tube, your head shaved, fed several drugs that you don't need, profited from, forced to stay quite while outside or in front of proffessionals while they are lying about you, only to then not care at all about you back at home. proceed to do medical interventions even, which have no turn around.
Her life wasn't just shitty, but inimaginably shitty. and i say that as someone who comes from an abusive family, but this is a whole different and extremely rare situation.
This case is so tragic. It makes me reflect on the cascade of dysfunction and destruction that untreated mental disorders may bring. It reminds us of the importance of your profession Dr. Grande- to understand and treat the complexities of human mind is no small task. It can change the course of so many events and prevent horrific outcomes.
In addition, you are educating all of us here on YT! I genuinely have no words to express how grateful I am to have come across your channel. The information you provide is priceless.❤️
Agree, very complicated. It also demonstrates the lack of support and people falling through the cracks.
She did use her situation and apparent illnesses to manipulate him she told him that her mother would Ultimately cause her death if she made her go through anymore surgeries ( honestly I believe that too) so he felt compelled ,
working with people with
Autism they are easily manipulated and find it hard to distinguish the difference between reality and fantasy especially if somebody is playing Along also dangling the carrot of a relationship to hard for someone wanting to fit in and be normal to pass up, I honestly feel bad for him and understand the situation.
So insightful and an excellent analysis, Dr Grande. I’ve learned so much from your content. Thank you!
Even though she learned it from her mother, she’s very manipulative. She manipulated him into the murder and too many are overlooking that.
Thanks Dr. Grande. The way you explained this made complete sense. I think Gypsy is manipulative; this may have been a survival defense mechanism. The whole case is so tragic.
Life without parole is rare in Australia and reserved for the cruelest murderers. Courts are harsh in US
I'm from New Zealand. Life is around 18 to 20 years. No life without parole. They would both be in psychiatric facilities for say a few years. Then released into a secure environment. America is soooo crazy and barbaric judicially.
Alexandra Picot Soooo, what do they do with murderers or repeat offenders there in New Zealand? I’m from Oklahoma (USA) and we have the death penalty in my state. People get put to death here frequently. It’s not a big deal if it’s what you’re used to I guess 🤷🏼♀️
From Finland and I agree, we have vert similar procedures here.
Yep! It's true
AMY from Oklahoma statistically speaking because they actually have rehabilitation programs their number of reoffenders is drastically less then here in America. I’m not bashing any one it’s just science. Effective ways of reducing crime versus ineffective ways of reducing crime.
We have solitary confinment and the death penalty too.
LOL, it is funny that you think that our legal penalties are insane and we think that your legal penalties are insane. Well, it is just difference in Countries/Cultures.
Nick was too willing to be forthcoming when questioned by investigators. There was zero manipulation, or deception from Nick. Investigators at some point were aware that he was intellectually challenged, yet they allowed him to confess to first degree murder and sign his sworn statement.
I'm not convinced any part of his statements to police, including his confession, should have been admissable in court to begin with. It appeared as though the investigators also had concerns when having him sign his statement.
Good point but what would you do if you were the cop? I think it crazy they can manipulate mentally ill people however that's not on the cops that on our politician. Just imo we definitely need a law I believe maybe like they do with minors only with parents consent type deal
Completely agree.
@@justinmopavich3685 I don't know, they knew they had a confession..I spent like an hour looking up if there is any protocol for law enforcement to follow and I couldn't find any.. Maybe I wasn't searching right.. That can't be possible.. Nick is messed up though, like a danger to society actually I think.. But the burden of proof lies on the state.. And it's not often any agency has a capital murderer with the level of mental deficiency..
That’s what I don’t understand. If you plead guilty to first degree murder, you only get a max of 20 years!
People with autism tend to be very honest and blunt in their speech - so why wouldn’t a cop use that to their advantage? We are after the truth here, his mental deficiencies don’t change that.
this video just popped up on my feed.... and here we are, four years later. and gypsy lee's story is blaring anywhere and everywhere. what a strange place the United States is, and what a strange time we are living in. thank you, as always, Dr. Grande, for your insightful and enjoyable videos.
I feel a heavy heart for those who suffer from any form of mental illness, it can create a life that is almost unbearable. That said, I am glad we still live in a society that does not allow mental illness to be an excuse to commit a violent crime. If someone is a threat to society, they need to be removed from society.
Along with GR, I agree
My wife knew them. We live in their hometown, and they would come in to the candle shop where she used to work, regularly.
My wife said that she would try to make friendly talk with them, and (just as it was depicted in various recreations) Dee Dee would tightly grip her hand and give little warning squeezes, whenever Gypsy would try to talk or make friends. I work in a medical field so I've heard some other stories about them, too. Dee Dee behaved monstrously, and I have very little sympathy for her. Gypsy was SEVERELY mentally and physically abused for her entire life. Nicholas has no such excuse.
He was mentally ill and she used to sex manipulate him and made him think that's the only way he
Uhh yeah why do we care if a lifelong child abuser gets killed? And why do we throw someone who's been abused her whole life into jail where she will be abused again for the next 10 years?
i always really felt for Gypsy Rose. I really like your analysis of this case. The thing that really stuck with me was when she said she liked being in prison compared to her previous life of horror and abuse. that really said it all. That mother was awful and in my opinion it was self defense although it is unfortunate gypsy found nicholas and dragged him in.
Kristin Torres yup
She is a liar.
Watch Gypsies interrogation vid- let us know if it changes your view. It validated my hinky distrusting sense of her current publicity interviews
She did not drag him in. He was already years into violent rapesex and murder fantasies. He wanted the inexperienced Gypsy for sexual abuse.
@@Justcausedeesnutswhat is she lying about? Curious to know your interpretation of everything she did?
I don't think gypsy rose was fully aware of the consequences of having her mother murdered, what people don't understand about Munchhousen proxy is that Deedie created an isolated fabricated reality for her daughter, Gypsy cut out from society, and for her brain development from 2 yrs to 10 yrs old are critical for understanding of what's right, wrong and what's empathy, this can create a disconnected child or a frightened co-dependent both can become harmful or violent towards others, Very likely Gypsy Rose has developed sociopathic tendencies, hence sociopaths are created and not born like as psychopaths, because Deedie her self had an extreme disorder, potentially would had murdered Gypsy in a few years as she became, more desperate as rebellion takes over and had her deception is no longer contained. But I believe 100% regardless of what has happened, Gypsy Rose is deeply in need of a long road of mental health care, not prison.
F.Y.I. if you haven't heard she's engaged now with another man, that can be a sign of a co-dependent human being on a new road of unhealthy relationships.
Gypsey also dressed in a Cinderella costume when talking to Godejon and the first time they met and had sx, only reinforcing and manipulating the "Prince Charming" white knight aspect. I feel so bad for him, he was just a dupe.
This also completely destroys the Munchausen assertion. If she met him at the theater how did they have sex? Presumably not in her wheelchair. She always knew she could walk and did walk. The victim cooperating or participating in the (false) symptoms of illness is not a part of Munchausen by Proxy.
@@INDUSTRIALWAIST She always knew, she faked being a paraplegic for FIVE years (arrested at 23) as an adult, that's fraud. She also claimed her mother made her wear glasses; how do you NOT know you can see without glasses? She also faked being a child for many years, her baby voice is completely fake - and her mother did not make her do that, you can't make someone alter their voice. This is Gypsy at her bail hearing, she's 23, her mother's not around anymore, listen to her voice: ruclips.net/video/q4KvjI4mUoA/видео.html
Now compare that to her voice now, in interviews, in the Dr. Phil segment.
The doctor who was suspect of Dee Dee's claims, Dr. Flasterstein, ran a battery of tests which all came back negative (ie: Gypsy was healthy), including her muscle tone which would be atrophied had she been a paraplegic. This shows she was getting regular exercise, she was walking. This also shows that there were no actual symptoms of illness, they were all feigned, and this necessarily means that Dee Dee wasn't actually causing illness/symptoms as is often claimed. Gypsy evidently told her father that she knew she was not ill. Draw your own conclusions.
@@zwergie256 I hope you get put in a horrible situation that you can't "just walk away" from so that you understand what Gypsy went through. You people are disgusting human beings. She wasn't committing fraud, she was a child abuse victim. She couldn't "just leave". She tried in the past and was just brought back. Why would she stay and trap herself in an abusive situation and continue being abused for years and let her mother keep all of the money for it, getting nothing out of it herself? That makes no sense.
@@zwergie256 Completely agree with you... She's highly manipulative and knows how to play the victim game. She's become a malignant covert narcissist like her mother.
@@zwergie256 I hope he gets another day in court... she's diabolical.
I've been watching a lot of videos about this case, and this is the first time I've heard that Godejohn suggested calling the police to get Gypsy away from Dee Dee. If that's true, it really changes how I feel about Gypsy. I thought that Gypsy believed that the police would not believe her, but if an outside person suggested it and she still chose to go through with the murder, she's not as much of a victim as I thought.
Well that doesn't mean you wasn't afraid. She said she was afraid that they wouldn't believe her and Deedee would punish and respress her more.
That being said, I do believe Gypsy manipulated Nick. Even if she didn't completely understand what she was doing.
There's been some inconsistency in her story but she was raised by a master manipulater. I really feel she didn't see another way out. It's too bad she didn't meet someone other than Nick. Who might've been able actually help her.
amanda engelman, her mother apparently had papers declaring her mentally unfit, so she knew she wouldn't be believed. She probably could've proven it & ultimately been separated from Dee Dee by adult protective services, but she didn't even know these agencies existed. I was abused as a child & never heard of CPS until I was well into adulthood, so I can kinda relate.
@@eljesperado exa tly. She tried to run away and her mother repeatedly called the police herself and that little girl saw police, doctors, even lawyers as only trusting adults and not her, a child. Godejohn could have told his mother. eitherer him or his mother couldve called the police or protective services. Godejohn didnt trust the police either because of what he called "a misunderstanding" at a mcdonalds involving porn.
The police would NOT have helped that girl. The mother had guardianship and she was very good at convincing ANYONE. NO ONE WOULD outsmart Dee Dee imo
Jesperado Her mother did not have papers declaring her mentally unfit. She didn't even have adult conservatorship of Gypsy, that would have required a judge to rule as such and she would have passed the questions to show she had sound mind and competency. It is not easy to receive conservative powers over an adult as you see on tv shows.
I will definitely agree with DeeDee was the ultimate architect of her demise. For whatever Gypsy did wrong here, we have to remember that her mother's condition could have very easily and very likely been the eventual death of Gypsy. Gypsy could have easily gone into the history books simply as the sweet, unique girl who braved countless health complications and ultimately lost her battle. She didn't just have her mother killed for fun. Gypsy would have never had any bit of reason to even considering killing her mother if her mother hadn't so thoroughly and horrifically abused her for personal satisfaction. Not to mention the rest of her family didn't seem to be attentive enough to notice or at least alert authorities. Gypsy was forced into a dire situation with a skewed notion of reality. It's really not surprising it came down to a murder plot between two mentally compromised people to kill another mental compromised person who should have been a source of guidance, love and trust.
It's not about what she thought or felt or even about the murder the point is whether he had fair sentence compared to hers and if he was manipulated or not why she did it is another story just like she felt there was no other way for her to have a bf she told him that's the only way he can be with her that she needed his protection he thought that was his only chance of a girlfriend love or friend in his life because of his disability it was hard to socialize or feel loved or to know the complete difference between reality and non reality it definitely played a role because he hyper focused on her if it wasn't for her he would have done it plus of u see the after video she wasn't scared she wanted to to ear her after he finished his brownie
Really enlightening analysis, Dr. Grande. After watching the Hulu series on Gypsy Rose as well as watching some of her interviews, I can see how she may have learned how to be manipulative from her mother. Premeditated murder then all of the text messages between the two of them are indicative of the manipulation.
She took advantage of him and got him caught up in her mess. Now, he’s doing life when she only got 10 years. That’s not fair.
"Innocent little girl" priviledge
It's absolutely not fair! He got railroaded. He got put away BC of his dangerous fantasies I think. He wanted to r*pe Dee Dee. So he was also manipulated but he's got dangerous thought. Still shouldn't have served more than ten years.
I thought it was all very weird from the beginning. I mean, cerebral palsy, Cancer, asthma, all of that,? As a medical assistant, kind of a red flag. It's just kind of an weird combination of serious conditions that are not usually co morbid, especially with no positive sign on any medical tests and no pcp
Her Mom went to many doctors till she got the results she wanted. She stole a prescription pad and got medicine. She moved around also.
Her Mom also would give her medicine to get the symptoms she needed to manipulate doctors and tests.
That guy was not normal and still isn't if you've seen the police interrogation and prison interview. The case should have been thrown out just for that and in a new trial got only a little more than her, she became what her mother was.
Exactly
Dr Grande, you're getting wise to youtube trends!
This channel deserves way more active subs, the topics are so interesting!
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I've to take a closer look into this case, really!
Being tortured from birth by a master manipulator with Münchhausen by proxy syndrome, Gypsy undeniably had a super hard life!
& I know what I'm talking about, I've been in a hospital for 2½ months after an accident ~25 years ago and still have PTSD and depression from that time.
(Which is connected to the facts, that I had an "interesting injury" which was so rare and fascinating to the doctors; that they experimented around, instead of treating me properly. They're testing all sorts of painful treatments without my consent or knowledge).
So I really feel for Gypsy, life has been torture for her.
But I can't shake the feeling, that she's fooled the court, the jury, her discarded boyfriend,... the whole public into feeling more bad for her than she deserved.
She had enough access to the internet to manipulate her bf into killing her monster-mother. - I don't miss Dee Dee, she got what she deserved. - But Gypsy couldn't google for the help she needed and send a bunch of emails, direct messages (or whatever she's able to use without her "mother" noticing) to prove her mental health and sanity to people who'd helped her?
I truly doubt that, tbh.
& I feel this murder was more about revenge and hatred, than self defense or fear for her own future and safety.
That's why I think, I have to take a deep dive into her internet access at that time, (if possible/available online and when I've the time for it), bc I've the feeling I'm missing something highly important here.
Raised by a master manipulator, this girl easily can already be and/or become a master manipulator & ticking time bomb herself.
She was given the choice between prison and mental health facility and I think, she didn't tell the whole truth about the reasons why she chose prison.
She said it would've "reminded her too much of a hospital and the terrible treatments she went through there".
Which I can really relate to.
I think that was just an excuse though, in the mental facility the doctors easily would've discovered her real motives and who she truly is/also was at the time of the murder:
Someone, who'll always play the victim card, if something goes wrong. - She might become a repeated offender and she'll always discard her accomplices and portrait them in the worst ways possible, if needed to continue her own way of life...
This is a very sad case!
As much as I can relate to the tortures she went through, I'm really torn about this girl's future behavior.
& I wonder if she isn't and will further grow into a huge danger to society with an angle's face but full of hate if something doesn't go her way immediately...
She chose prison bc nobody's interested too much into her mental state/health there.
:-/
Omgsh! Yes! Finally. You said exactly everything I was thinking and have tried to exhaustion to explain to people!!!! Btw, I'm so very sorry for your suffering. And as a medical professional myself, I'm begging you to remember that you must consent to everything or they cannot so much as take your vital signs. When treating patients, I must obtain verbal consent for EVERYTHING and often written consent for something as simple as injecting a patient with B12 or immunizations or even applying conductor gel to a person's face or body for laser hair removal. I can't even remove sutures from a surgery we've done without the patient signing consent. You have rights and if you're an adult, HIPAA laws prevent your medical team from so much as discussing an appointment let alone treatment with anyone unless you consent.
@@AlphaMom55
Unfortunately I've been unconscious, while they found me and for the following 12 days, so most of the first consent the doctors got there, came from my parents. I've been 27 though (52 now), but age doesn't matter much in such an emergency situation.
My parents certainly didn't consent to any secret tests and/or experiments though, so I don't blame them.
I'm living in Austria/Europe and this all has happened ~25 years ago.
There was no internet to look for any informations online, this was a completely different time. Even the law for a patient's will still didn't exist in 1994 yet, this came out later in 2006.
These tests were all done entirely secretly.
Thankfully the lowest ranking doctor told me the truth, because I was mentally at the point of wanting to jump out of the hospital's window.
He recommended, I should look for a second opinion (medically) and he's been completely right and truthful; but I couldn't walk, which complicated everything tremendously.
It's been even worse than he'd expected as my right leg's bones were necrotic as well - I'd suffered a so called "compartment syndrome" cause my leg had been stuck for more than 36 hours, while I've been unconscious - and I had to amputate that leg later in another hospital. I knew about the necrotic flesh, but not the bones; doctors lied to me.
(Till today I wish they would've found me dead).
I had to promise this honest doctor not to say to his colleagues, that he's been the one who's told me though.
Necrotic bones are easily to spot on an x-ray after a few days, that's why they never made one, when I was awake. - I'm absolutely certain they did x-rays before my surgeries though, during anesthesia.
& I'm sure they knew exactly what's going on!
There're literally allies of red flags everywhere.
The other doctors had already planned to transplant muscles, nerves, skin, (...) from my shoulders, upper legs and back onto these necrotic bones. - This would've been totally pointless of course, but the entire procedure would've lasted for 3 years(!), in which I would've been in this hospital for most of the time, only going home "on vacation" for a few weeks in-between.
(Or for as long as they could've hidden the necrotic bones successfully).
They've even said, that they "couldn't release me with open wounds" and they've BLACKMAILED me into giving my own written CONSENT - to transplant skin from my upper leg onto these wounds, which were full of puss cause of the necrosis - IN EXCHANGE FOR GETTING RELEASED from that hospital afterwards...
(I've never signed such a nonsense during any police interrogations, but under these circumstances, I've caved and signed to finally go home; sigh).
They skinned my whole right upper leg, but cause of the puss, these transplants didn't work of course.
(They've tried 3x).
This was not the point of their skinning anyways, they also skinned 2 other women of my room on the same day and their own skin transplants didn't work on their wounds either.
We were 6 women in that hospital room and who knows, if they've also done this to other patients from other rooms. - I couldn't leave my bed to go looking into the other rooms anyways.
We've all had different bandages (!) though on the spots from where they took the mesh craft/skin.
& The next day a very young doctor - (who's a highly well known plastic surgeon now) - came and questioned us about these different bandages.
That was the only reason for this whole procedure.
He even had some sort of plastic measure object "for idiots" on which you could show him the amount of pain from 1 to 100 (during change of the bandages and during wearing).
Still hate this guy for that somehow.
& This is only 1 example I wrote down to give you an idea of which type of experiments I went through.
- So 3 years (!) of experimenting was their plan/goal they didn't tell me about of course, I've had no insurance at that time and was their half private half official guinea pig.
Cause of all this completely unnecessary delay, I got hepatitis C from blood transfusions and/or blood products, too.
Which was a deadly and incurable disease at that time and looking back, I'm grateful now that I got it!
Needless to say, I'm on disability now.
& Avoid doctors at all costs.
I know my liver is gone soon and I'm grateful and fine with that, I'll certainly make no organ transplantation.
I'll never become their "object to study" again, they can literally kiss my a..!
Suing in this country is also totally pointless.
I've tried cause of the hepatitis C infection I got there, as this was the easiest to prove and first I wanted to start with in court, bc the rest with these experiments would've been way harder to prove. - But after seeing, that I've had troubles with the law for smoking weed, no lawyer wanted to take my case.
Those I spoke to all said, the hospital would claim, that I've got the HCV before I've had the accident and came to them.
They didn't even look into the people who've donated that blood...
This being the times with paper files, they most likely didn't even have any idea and overview anyways.
(& I also didn't have the physical and mental power to search for hundreds of lawyers on foot, still I've no DL cause of the old weed story and besides that, getting morphine for pain now).
So yeah, I think the consent question is VERY different nowadays.
It also varies from country to country I'd say.
SORRY for the long rant!
At that point in time though, consent my a...!
I'm at least in mental pain daily, life is constant torture, I've no trust in people anymore and I want to die asap!
I'm grossed out as soon as I wake up and look at the missing leg and the stripes on my upper leg (where this plastic surgeon had removed my skin).
I wish for a change of law for medical assisted suicide, I'm to weak to move to the Netherlands where it's allowed!
You can't even begin to imagine...
I'll never get over this!
Bye
@@Anita-kI am so sorry for everything you've gone through 😢 It's horrific. This is an old comment so I don't even know if you are still alive today. If you are I just want to say that I am sorry for everything you've gone through. Life doesn't make sense sometimes does it. 😢.
If you watch Gypsy's court testimony at Nick's trial, she admits she stole the knife and that she asked him to kill her Mom. I believe her ongoing abuse caused her to feel there was no other options. Nick's sentence seems too harsh, yet seems he may have done something like this even if he hadn't meant Gypsy.
Bingo
Her mom likely put thoughts into her head (such as saying that the police and others won’t do anything etc)
She learnt from her mother that was mostly all she knew .
She did use him she was able to recognise he would dance if she told him and she did just that.
She did think or i believe mail the knife to him didn't she.
He suggested she leave with him forget about mother but she insisted on staying.
Gypsy stole the knife from Walmart, she didn’t mail it to him (what would be the point in doing that) they both mailed the knife back to WI after the murder so they wouldn’t be caught carrying it on the bus. He never suggested she leave, they had planned to leave together to “start a new life”. She didn’t insist on staying because she wanted to get away with murder so was never going to remain in that house. He admitted to trying to hurry her up when she was cleaning up the blood, that was all. She turned the thermostat down to try to slow decomposition thereby giving them more time to get away. That was chilling to me, the amount of calculation around her crimes. Fast forward to today and many more people can see how truly manipulative she is. Destroying a mans life by using him then disposing of him when he was no longer useful, committing adultery 6 weeks after her release and now pregnant with another mans child. I’m interested in what Todd would make of her behaviour since her release.
Dee Dee apparently had papers declaring Gypsy mentally unfit, so she was afraid she wouldn't be believed by anyone. She probably could've proven it & ultimately been separated from Dee Dee by adult protective services, but she didn't even know these agencies existed. I was abused as a child & never heard of CPS until I was well into adulthood, so I can kinda relate.
If Nick had been female with the same mentality and vulnerability there is ZERO chance he'd have gotten a life sentence.
I don’t nick should of gotten a life sentence with out parole it’s ridiculous. He was manipulated by her she couldn’t kill her mother herself so she used him and now he’s in prison for life and she gets out in 10years yes she was abuse mentally physically emotionally by her mother but he was just trying to “save” Gypsy. Just like you said dee dee and nick had a way out so did gypsy she could of stand up, walk, tell someone..
Glam_by_Yela she did escape many times and every time she did, she was made to apologise publicly to the people involved. No one believed Gypsy, they trusted Dee Dees word.
Gypsy killed her mother by manipulation and proxy just like her mother was doing to her, it was bound to happen given Gypsy only knew this life of manipulation and use of proxy, and her freedom and life was up to her alone with no help or notion of help occuring.
That seems like a very fair analysis. So sad all around
I agree, she acted out in desperation.
In her mind there was no help
Brilliant analysis, SB. I haven't heard anyone else make this connection so clearly.
You can't tell me that girl didn't know she didn't have cancer . She's very manipulative and that baby talk shit drives me crazy
This is so fascinating, you break things down so brilliantly and fairly. Excellent channel
This finally is a great analysis, clears up many crucial points. Thank you, Dr. Grande!!
I agree with your statements. ASD would make an individual (typically) more naive and vulnerable to manipulation. This seems to be exacerbated when you're dealing with diminished capacity in situations where these people have strongly bonded to another. I've seen brutally honest people with ASD and IQs of less than 80 be coerced into "learning" dishonesty by a manipulative parent.
Low empathy isn't always a component of diminished capacity, because this can also be true of those with normal or higher IQs. What *is* especially horrifying about this is the premeditation and violence of the murder. I absolutely concur: there were several legal alternatives Gypsy Rose could have found. "Feeling trapped" is not *being* trapped. So we could apply Learned Helplessness. But I'm very uncomfortable with the fact that she lied. I believe her sentence was much too lenient and he needed (needs) Mental Health intervention. 🐯
Yes at the same time, a large percentage of people with autism do not hear multiple voices or claim to have multiple personalities. He also lied regularly after and during the murder plan. People with autism wouldnt be able to lie. I know. I have autism
@@charlierohkohl5182 Most people with ASD don't lie. I don't lie. But I have worked with Autistic people who have been strongly bonded to a parent who is dishonest or violent who convinces them to lie about or do harm to a certain person. These were not high-functioning individuals and they were, IMO, overmedicated and possibly incorrectly medicated. As for hearing voices? Multiple Personalities? No. This would indicate either a second or third Co-morbid condition, deception or an incorrect diagnosis altogether. 🐯
@@octoberskye1049 that's what i said. Yes, they learn over time but i cannot imagine in a long dsitance relationship where their speaking via videa and text would cause a serious affect on his ability to lie comfortably without any meltdowns.
@@charlierohkohl5182 I agree. 🐯
@@charlierohkohl5182 Dude I have ASD and I'm a fabulous liar. We are all individuals. I mask hard and as a result I can lie better than many neurotypicals. I realise this vid is old but she's getting out now
She stated in many interviews that SHE stole the money from her Mother, NOT Nicholas
I 110% believe Gypsy took advantage of Nicholas’s state of mind. However Gypsy was a victim of horrendous abuse that spanned over 2 decades and had limited options to escape it. My sympathy goes out to both of them. But I can’t help have a slight resentment towards Gypsy for what she did. She knew Nicholas was vulnerable with Autism and various other mental challenges and weaponised it to her advantage to get him to do what she wanted. I believe he truly loved her and all he ever wanted was to be loved but the sad reality is that I don’t think she loved him as much or loved him at all. He didn’t deserve that sentence and I hope one day he is able to get it appealed but that doesn’t seem likely.
I agree John should go to prison for the murder, but life absolutely no way and she gets 10 years she she was mentally abused but planning a murder and getting a kid with aspergers to commit it by going on at him she learnt by the best and let's not forget dd learnt by her mother. Gypsy should never be allowed freedom. She didn't/doesn't have a a learning disability in anyway shape or form
Why would she not allowed to be free? She has been an imprisoner her whole life in her own home, going trough surgeries which she didn’t need.
Reeta Tassberg I’m so sick of this excuse. So what? A child who was raped doesn’t have the right to get a lighter sentence for raping a child. Like wtf just cause she was abused doesn’t give her the right to plan and execute a murder! Especially since all she had to do was stand up at the next bbq or at the doctors office. And self defense is immediate response to a threat. Dede was passed out from drugs in bed and not a threat so....she could’ve just ran away with nick to Wisconsin and I’m sure her mother wouldn’t even know where to start looking for her
@@smokythebear1004 exactly! Gypsy gets away with everything because of what she says her mother did to her.
I've seen people commit murder and get 20 years and may serve 15-20. I work in a mental health facility and the people I have seen who pull this time are mentally healthier then Nicholas. He really thought he was saving Gypsy. I do not think it's fair that a special needs young man got life in prison when she got 10 years. I think he could have been rehabilitated and put on medication and at least given another chance at life. I am positive his parents would also keep a closer look on him too. I know I would.
As a mother to an autistic son. There are 3 levels to Autism but Doctor's, (90%+) don't use these levels anymore because there's such a wide spectrum to Autism. They would not put my son on a level. He would be level 2.3- almost level 3. He is 7 and on a toddler level and he's been on the same level since he was 3. I always wonder if later down the road he will develop into a 10-15 year level. But right now he mostly acts like a 1-2 year old (worse tantrums) but speech at 2. Each year he remains at this level and I pray for improvement. I can definitely sympathize with his parents and family.
ALSO. Autistic people are easily manipulated. They are rarely the perpetrators. I also believe he had a mood disorder on top. He could have gotten help. The justic system 100% failed him. As mentioned Autistic individuals are easily manipulated yes but rarely commit murder. She really manipulated him. She even went and got into all the personalities to build this repor to get him to like her more because I think she was setting him up to murder her. In addition to wanting to feel love. She also used him and she knows she did. It doesn't seem like she knows how to hold accountability for her mistakes. When she finally did hold some accountablility it was likely because she wanted to be well received in the court of public opinion. Her mother was very charming and very manipulative and she seems to be the same way. Her mother was just very cruel and calculating and I'm sure she felt there was no other way out (to an extent), but I also feel like she grew to enjoy the wheelchair and being the center of attention when it benefited her. I think that's part of the reason she didn't confide in others and the other part was fear and stolkholm syndrome. I think her sentence of 10 years was fair but I don't think he should have received life in prison.
Heard they had sex right after the mother was murdered!
Then footages show them checking into hotels etc.
And when police was questioning her, the way she faked a shock & cried was proof enough she had no regrets.
So sorry but i do feel she was as manipulative as her mother. Though she was jailed before she could do more harm!
Best comment I have read here. I completely agree!
When Nicholas was arrested he said, "I think they call the them ham sandwiches." I felt so sorry for him.
I've said this before, I would argue that Gypsy WAS in immediate danger. Her mother was giving her dangerous things to make her ill, and she could have dropped dead at any moment. It's a miracle that she didn't.
How has he taken “no responsibility” for the crime? We have the word of two people against each other, one of whom appears to have acted to rescue someone else from extreme abuse, at the urging of the abused person, which may have involved exaggerations or lies. He was successfully used, and then he was discarded holding the bag. The difference in their two sentences is outrageous. I hope she will eventually lobby for leniency for him and hold herself responsible for where he ended up.
63 Rambler she's not going to lobby for him ; she has discarded him
@@jomcmenamin4579 I am hoping her conscience speaks to her some day. It might not be until she has had a taste of freedom and normal life. Or maybe motherhood. Anyway I disagree quite a bit with Dr. G. The sentence disparity is way too high, given their roles, and also their disagreement as to their roles.
I want to respect differing opinions on the sentencing, and to consider different sides, but.... as far as the severely abusive situation goes, I don’t think that required any exaggeration.
I don’t think it’s fair to imply that gypsy rose exaggerated or lied about the severity of the abuse or how much it was affecting her mentally. Other things, sure. But the abuse took its toll. And being literally trapped in a house as well as in a web of your mother’s lies... and being isolated and disallowed any agency....your whole life... I can understand why she would feel to some extent powerless, and desperate for some way to escape.
The fear, and feeling of a lack of options that she might’ve felt.... seems valid given the situation.
@63 Rambler I agree. And I would add that a grown woman of 23 with a normal IQ got a slap on the wrist while he, an autistic guy with the mental age of a ten year old, got completely destroyed.
When they were apprehended by the police Gypsy immediately started lying, first she claimed she didn't know anything then she claimed Godejohn did it all. By contrast, he immediately confessed and did not in any way deny he himself committed the murder. She targeted this guy, recruited him and framed him.
Grande should ask himself why SHE mailed the knife to HIS house, and why SHE went on facebook, while pretending to be HIM, and posted a (false) claim that she was raped, suggesting she was kidnapped.
@@jomcmenamin4579 She won't lobby for him because she recruited him and framed him, quite deliberately. Now she got a slap on the wrist and a whole load of sympathy. She will make money off this too. She's already on the media circuit, while he's buried forever.
She did.
What happened to her was HORRIBLE, but she did throw him under a bus so fast it was disgusting!
Gypsy is thriving in jail. She says she has more freedom than ever & that goes to show how terrible her life was with her mother before the murder.
She absolutely did manipulate him
Man if y’all can’t tell this woman is crazy then idk what to say. The eyes never lie
He totally told the truth straight away when he was arrested she was trying to manipulate the police officer when she was being interogated
As a mother of two autistic boys this breaks my heart taking advantage of a young boy who can and could be minipulated he did not get a fair trail now what she went threw was terrible and I do feel for her but she threw it all on him that's what makes her a monster too she asked him to do it and didn't take an ounce of blame she has been trained to minipulate and she is just as much as fault the only reason she didn't face a jury is because they were afraid that the jury would take pity on her apart from what she went threw this breaks my heart
She admitted in his trial that she stole the knife from walmart.
Gypsy rose said she was good at manipulating people because her mother taught her!!
when did she say this
Interview with dr.phil i think or in another interview dont remember which one
Of course, Dee Dee was a single mother with only one child
She also said all she knew what to do is lie and she was good at lying without feeling bad bad for it! Makes it hard for me to believe a lot of things she said, yes i believe she went through a lot, but i also think she over exaggerated some things to try and get less time in prison
Mariah Vela No, there is a lot of evidence about the abuse that speak for themseoves
I believe, whether the boy was manipulated or not, that girl could NOT have received any outside help EVER. She would have NEVER gotten away from Dee Dee. These 2 kids should never have met...ever. idk about the rest. Sad all around
Barbi Button He did save her but I do believe both of them need mental health care, not prison.
Umm..all She had to do was walk to the neighbors house and tell them what happened. Actually all she had to do was run outside during the day and shout in the street to expose her mother. She didn't though.
@@ginger8805 abuse doesn't work that way, that poor girl was abused her entire life. Every time she tried to leave her mother found her, beat her and it was worse each time. You can pretend to know but you can't unless you have been there. Sounds easy to you and me but those kinds of thoughts don't pop into victims heads.
@@cutiedoggy475 agree
I enjoyed this video and agreed with much of what was said.
I believe when Gypsy gets out of prison, she needs to be housed within a system that will not only protect her but also protect others from her learned and deeply imprinted skills. I believe that if she is left to her own devices, she will remain just as dangerous as Nicholas would be if he was left to his own devices.
Nicholas has murdered in cold blood and did so without grasping the later consequences of this crime. As an adult with autism and a learning disability, he should NOT be spending the rest of his life in prison but in a supported living environment where he has expert guardians 24/7. He needs to be with people who understand his condition and thats never going to happen in prison.
Jan Maria Blackwell in America most criminals don’t get help after getting out of jail and en ld up going back again. I don’t think Gypsy will murder anyone ense but she can be manipulated by someone.
Godejohn has been arrested before. He shoyld have gotten help long before this murder.
Unfortunately when prison systems become 'for profit' they give little in mental health and demand long term prisoners.
I don't think Gypsy will coerce anyone else into murder but I believe, because of her abusive upbringing, she will, if not helped, revert back to what she knows best.
Having spent years working with severe autistic adults with learning disabilities, I'm not in the least surprised that Godejohn had been arrested for flashing. From that point on he should of been in 24/7 assisted living with guardians protecting both him and others from him.
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This is a very informative analysis of certain extenuating circumstances, and it concisely yet effectively maintains sensitivity to the complex dynamics of the case. I have reviewed other articles and presentations about the Gypsy Rose Blanchard saga, but now, after viewing this video here, I can say that Dr. Grande has filled numerous gaps in the credible information which I have encountered thus far -excepting the official published criminal court transcripts. I say this because Dr. Grande focuses on mental health and cognitive disabilities issues influencing the court’s rulings, and includes all three parties involved in this focus, with fairness and objective compassion for all three of these individuals. This case and the court’s rulings have drawn my attention for personal reasons (as a survivor of long term abuse and torture) but from an academic standpoint I really appreciate Dr. Grande’s approach here to the topic of manipulation, and how an individual’s use of -or vulnerability to-manipulation can have a tremendous influence on outcomes in the courts, as well as in our life experiences.
This case gets to me sometimes. I am sort of glad that she didnt get that much time because she as a victim, like any other victim sometimes feel, like she was driven to think of killing her mother. In regards to nick, its unbelievable that he got life in prison just because of his mental issue. Some people get off with very short time just for not knowing “right from wrong”, which I believe it makes no sense. So why did he get so much?!
Because he was offered a plea deal twice and turned it down 😔
If Nicolas Godejohn was so vulnerable, where was his family throughout this relationship? If he was vulnerable they should have been more aware of what he was doing, so they could assist him to not make decisions that could ultimately end up harmful to him.
Not every special needs person has a supportive family.
LuvIzLuvX0 I understand, I worked with people with special needs for years & that was sadly often a problem, but wasn't his dad with him in court?
Not even dee dee was aware of who gypsy was talking to and she had total control and stewardship over her
@@ThatMans-anAnimalThen Dee Dee didn't have complete control. Gypsy wouldn't have been able to start a relationship if her mom had complete control. There's some holes in this that need to be looked at. Also if Gypsy had access to the internet then she could have easily researched ways to get away. Instead she chose to be like her mother.
I strongly believe that being exposed as a fraud and scammer would have been worse than death for Dee Dee. I wonder if Gypsy was just so convinced that Dee Dee was the judge, jury, ruler that it would be impossible to get away from her.
I really appreciate the clinical explanations.
Gypsy's engagement is probably a very bad idea.
chris lane How so, If I may ask?
Emily Robart Way too soon. She's not healed. Doesn't know who she is yet.
chris lane I can see that! Plus she’s never met him in person. It is a lot different when you’re living together.
@@OhMyPearls That's a major assumption.
Gypsy is now free. I agree with your final thoughts. She continues to crave attention but I wish her well. It’s a shame NG didn’t get possibility of parole for the reasons you cited .
To me the more I watch about gypsy and Nicolas it’s becoming clear as day she used him and manipulated him knowing he loved her and would do anything for her in the interrogation when they both got arrested she was putting all the blame on him saying she wouldn’t hurt her mum she’s a manipulator a liar and used him as soon as he killed her mum she didn’t want to know him she should have got more time than him because she was setting him up and told him what to do knowing he had split personalities
A man's life wasted because of his love for a person who wanted him to do her dirty deed all through the fact of him being a vulnerable person and her having a good teacher of manipulation. So yes he was totally manipulated by her and yes he sentencing should have been looked at for the fact of his mental health issues and her influence on the way she played him.
I believe the contemplation of sexually assaulting Dee played a big factor in the decision for no parole it sure makes me think of it differently as far as risk to society
Dr. Grande, this is fascinating. I appreciate your deconstruction of mental pathology.
He took complete responsibility what are you talking about? Watch his interrogation, he was honest the whole time
watching this video and i just wanted to let you know i definitely like your newer intro better but i still will go back and watch your older videos obviously! would love to see a gypsy rose update since she was released.
Two wrongs don’t make a right or one righter. This is what’s so scary about problematic behavior
Why doesn’t this channel have more subscribers?!
Good question. The content is concise, accurate and from a highly qualified mental health professional.
I saw one of his videos over the weekend and immediately substituted. This man divers facts in an intelligent manner and without inserting irrelevant information or emotion.
Because many people enjoy drama and gossip and being cruel to others, as opposed to being educated and informed. Dr. Grande is an amazing educator.
I agree with you. I am a subscriber today.
@@JimsPal I absolutely agree with you. People feed off on other people drama, cruelty, etc.
Gypsy was convicted for murder of her own mother. If her mother was the worst person in the world, her crime is still unforgivable: she took a life of person who gave her life. Her ex boyfriend is guilty too, but weight of moral guilt is way bigger on her side. They could both escape from Didi without murdering her and stealing money from her.
Unrelated to the subject, but dr Grande, did you move your camera closer? It doesn't show the top of your head and that slightly bothers me.. not saying "go back to the original setup" but.. Actually, I am saying that. Tia 😉
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Listening to Dr. Phil’s podcast The Killer Thorne is Gypsy Rose. It’s a 3 part podcast. The 3rd was a sit down interview with her. Dr Phil states before we hear Gypsy that she WAS the true mastermind of her mothers demise.
Yeah he was 100% manipulated by her. I dont understand how everybody is so supportive of her. She lied, she manipulated, she feined shock and surprise over her mothers death. He didnt lie, he was forthcoming with his part of the plot. She is just as lousy as her mother!
He got more time because he was a boy, Gypsy Rose got less time because she is a girl. Although she was a manipulative person (what she learned from her mom) They should have gotten the same sentence for the crime.
Vilma Camacho she was a victim, he commited this and many other crimes.
Vilma Camacho But she didn’t stab her mother, had been a childhood victim of SEVERE abuse and was sexually confused. He was a criminal before he did this. I’m not saying I agree with his sentence though.
No. Verdict wasn’t fair. He was manipulated into killing her mother. She is out and enjoying life. He’s suffering behind bars for life. Unfair verdict. He did it thinking he’s saving her life. He had low IQ. He wasn’t dealt with the verdict equally as Gypsy. Girl enjoyed all her life with fame and fortune. She wasn’t under fed. Yes mother did wrong things. But she didn’t deserve to be killed. She could have gone to the police. But instead missed a pawn to commit her crime. He’s behind bars for years and she’s out?
Two of my three children have autism. My daughter is 24 and my son 16. My daughter was originally diagnosed with aspergers but of course that diagnosis code dosen´t exist anymore they are under the autism spectrum. My son was non verbal till 5. My daughter has no speech issues. But I find diagnosing as a level one or two can be very misleading. One child may excel in one area and have major trouble in another and both needing constant support to function. My son has an IQ of 136 but cannot ride a bike or tie his shoes. He is very innocent in his thinking but can be persuaded to do most anything. I can definitely see how someone on the spectrum could be easily led because my experience shows that most children on the spectrum are very eager to please. They love attention, and will do just about anything to get it. I feel he should eventually get parole.
Thank you! Autistic people really take issue with functioning labels or "levels" for the same reasons you've mentioned.
To me, functioning labels/levels (and previously, the "Asperger's" diagnosis) are used to separate "good" (read: allistic/non-autistic passing) autistic people from "bad" (read: non-passing) autistic people, entirely from an allistic person's outside perspective. They aren't truly reflective of an autistic person's abilities and an autistic person's level of functioning can fluctuate for many reasons.
In the same vein, "mental age" rubs me the wrong way as well. It's another way of judging autistic people through allistic (non-autistic) standards rather than their own merit. A 21 year old autistic person isn't equivalent to a ten year old allistic person. To suggest that is the case would be infantilizing autistic people. A 21 year old autistic person has the mentality and the experiences of...well, a 21 year old autistic person. They might need more assistance than an allistic 21 year old, but that doesn't make them any less worthy of respect.
Another point I would like to hear you address is this. I am old enough to remember the Pamalea Smart case out of New England. Pam Smart was a teacher's aide in a school, 23 years old and having sex with a 15 year old boy she knew from school. She had him and his friends kill her new husband in the dawn of his life. She, Pam Smart is serving life here in New York's Bedford Prison for Women, and the boys served 25 years and are out. This shouldn't be in reverse for without Gypsy, Nick doesn't kill anyone.
As far as I'm concerned, Nicholas did the world a favor and got rid of a sick, abusive woman. He helped out an abused girl. I hope he has appeals left in the court system, because I don't feel like he deserved life in prison. Yeah, he committed a murder and deserves to be punished for it, but with all his extenuating factors, he deserved a lesser sentence. Gypsy didn't deserve any time at all, in my opinion. Gypsy served her time in hell with her monster mother. She was imprisoned her whole life. I'm glad they didn't give her a crazy long sentence. I hope she gets the help she needs while on the inside and is able to start a better life when she's released.
How on earth could you say that the guy functioned like a 10 year old, then also say that life in jail is the right choice? It's throwing away an entire person with a disability because they didn't have the decision making capacity that someone without a disability would make.
I agree
Did anyone see his interview ? I was thinking his sentence was too harsh until I saw it: he said he had a devil on his shoulder and it had been there for a long time: he definitely was a dynamite , and I think it was just a matter of time. He would need a lot of therapy and supervision for anyone to ever feel safe with him on the streets.
I think it's fair especially because, in the trial, when asked if he would kill someone again, he said yes. The life sentence was mostly for the safety of other people. However, I don't think he should've been sent to prison, maybe a mental institution would've been more fitting
I disagree with the sentiment “Gypsy rose was not in immediate danger on the day of the killing.” I’m not defending her behavior, but to me she seems like a kidnapping victim, so everyday she was in danger and victim to real physical harm.