@@drazendukat4013 Agree. Lost some respect for Ariel cause who is he kidding? Stipe looked like he was roleplaying as a heavy bag. No movement and the movement he did have was in slow motion.
@@kubrenh8976Go watch Stipes fights against JDS, Hunt, even Cormier and tell me he’s the exact same guy. His fucking demeanour during his own intros is even diminished. Doesn’t mean Jon may not have still beaten him but you’re being incredibly ignorant to suggest he beat a prime HW Goat. For those of us present during Stipes come up and reign it was clear as day and this was just sad. Ariel’s talking out his ass on this.
@@Justsomeguy26 You know there's 5 years between 37 and 42, right? You know that's the difference between a guy being just barely out of his prime and a guy who's so far out of his prime, 99% of fighters retire long before his age, right? Like, how do you not see the point being made here?
Well Ariel, i haven't watched you in a while. Congrats on becoming the biggest casual ever. Stipe is one of my all-time favorite fighters and i have so much respect for him and i am Croatian. He is an absolute legend, one of the greats and a wonderful human being. With all that Stipe looked horrendous on Saturday, so slow. Stipe would have major difficulties today against any HW in the top 10. He just looked unrecognizable, slow and stiff. And still in that manner managed to land something on Jon. Welcome to reality Ariel.
@@k.e.reternal2437 So a much better version of Jones would destroy Stipe? Yes of course. A much worse version of Jones destroyed Stipe on Saturday. What is your argument?
... "No matter hes 40 years old hes still Stipe" seriously bad argument Ariel, like saying "No matter the age Tyson is still Tyson" These are different scales of the same idea but still Stipe's old age and inactivity definitely made him a shell of himself in there Whats with the casual take?
I was also surprised hearing Ariel spew the same BS like DC, Rogan and Dana. A retired 42 yrs old firefighter who just got off the couch to fight, who hasn't fought in almost 4 years.." is still the same guy who beat Ngannou and DC ? Gtfo Ariel ..
How is he above Islam with a win over a 42year old who hasn’t fought in almost 4 years 😂😂😂 Islam last 4 fights…Poirier Sub, Volk KO and Volk Decision & Olivera Sub it’s not even close.
@@Osealey 16 years? nibba please, he spent half of them not fighting. built a career on fighting over the hill fighters. he arguably lost vs gustaffson, santos AND reyes. where are they now? biased americans. khabib has never ever ever ever looked vulnerable in the cage. he is the absolute goat of fighting, period. nobody is in the same stratosphere as khabib
Jon has to fight Tom for the unification of the belts. Alternatively Jon relinquishs the belt. He can't pick and choose his opponents like he has in the past. 🦆🦆🦆
@@mosamakgoka1374 its bigger in almost every aspect. "Greatest of all time" vs Fastest finisher of all time. Both supremely skilled in all aspects of martial arts, the highest caliber heavyweight fight in UFC history. idc if Brock was famous from WWE. This fight is the all around better, more meaningful, significant fight in MMA.
No No, Jon did not make Stipe look old and slow. Stipe IS slow and old. The man is 42 and has not fought in 3-4 years. You got your narrative backwards. Everyone can see through the BS, we saw it with our own eyes. We don’t need you and Chael to tell people how to perceive fights 😂
He got well over 10 mil for this fight and would be in a position to probably make closer to 15-20 for a fight with Tom. Sounds like fuck you money to me.
@@deluxsound123*_IF_* he got more than $10m, it wasn’t well over. I’ve seen recent estimates as low as $6.3m. If he managed $10m, then it’s not unreasonable to push for 15. If he looks for that, it’s legit. If he looks for more, then we know he’s pricing himself out. Let’s see what numbers get thrown around in the near future.
Im gonna say it. Take the $40M+ Conor was going to get in his return and give it to Jon to fight Tom. Conors washed and literally don't give a fuck if he comes back
No because they don't like Jon Jones so they don't want him to get paid what he's worth. The UFC only pays losing fighters like Conor and Ronda Rousey😆😆
Everytime Jon fights they say he will lose. That is why the hate towards him has grown to the delusional level it's at today. It's sad when it gets to the point that a bunch of "men" toss their logic in the trash and strap their feelings on tight 😆✌🏾
@@I8THESHROOMS 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 it's crazy, they said the same thing about Gane "He can kick, he moves fast for a HW" Jon subbed him in mins. Tom bouncing around like a Kangaroo isn't a threat to Jon.
@@kingjams they just hate him so instead of saying "I want to see him lose" they say things I know for a fact they wouldn't put their rent money behind - because I'm willing to bet if they fight....🫰🏾
Saturday Night's Main Event battle royal was like 2 weeks prior. Andre eliminated Hogan in the battle royal, designed to make you doubt Hogan. Not a 1-on-1 match, but yeah they were in the ring together. Almost 30 years ago so I'd forgive him for getting it wrong.
Next, they'll pull the first ufc heavyweight champion mark coleman out of retirement and then say that since jones beat him, that proves he would have beat every champion that came afterward. 😂
Jones goes as his opponents goes. He’s seen faster guys than tom all day. The minute tom comes out the gate fast jones will also. Just like him and Dc fights.
In JJ's case it depends entirely on how scared he is of losing his 0. Vs Ngannou it was 10 million (a preposterous amount at that time), vs Aspinall it will be at least 20 million I think.
Jones vs Aspinall Dream Fight! Francis I wish was still in the UFC because I think he can beat both. Cross over fights with the PFL between these 3 would be a dream come true.
Even current fighters who are in their prime right now are shocked when they get in the ring with Aspinall, his speed and power is unmatched, ask Blaydes, Pavlovich, Volkov, who he rag dolled. There’s no way Jones will get in the ring with Aspinall unless it really is stupid “fuck you” money. Jones will be made to look slow against Aspinall, and if Tom touches him, he done
Jon is the goat , wearing hip waders , and he is treating the UFC and us fans like his sheep . We just waited an extra year for this fight , we don't need another year or more on the next one...
Cry more. Last i checked, jibes was declared innocent of the PED use by USADA themselves. Also this is exactly why jones diesnt need tobbed over to you haters' demands and fight Tom
Stipe was working 24 hrs shifts up until two weeks before the fight. He's been out of action going on 4 years after the brutal knockout loss to Francis. Nice win, but everyone is making too much out of the win. Have Jon work 24hr shifts after being out of action for 4 years, and see how he performs. Just saying.
When I take even a few WEEKS off training, when I come back, I can seriously feel the difference. Imagine going from being a professional fighter for your whole career, to taking 4 YEARS off without training seriously and not fighting at all. Anyone who seriously thinks Jon deserves credit for beating “stipe miocic, the greatest heavyweight of all time” is an idiot
Great show Ariel As Good as Tom is i wonder can he beat jones I was rooting for stipe In my mind Nganou is the one can destroy jones I heard Tom got paid 200K just being backup fighter
People forget both of Jones brothers are huge in nfl and as such he has been exposed to and has the access to shrewd negotiators who I’m sure have advised him how to play this hand. If you go back you can see Jones was quoted as being frustrated he didn’t do what McGregor did and maximise his value.
Hey Ariel Can you just put timestamps... Because many people want to hear some statements from fighter as soon as podcast begins so for them timestamps can help at lot.
Jon thought by acting like he doesn’t care and dismissing Tom was going to make people not care but only made us want it more because he seems scared. I believe Jon is the best and never has really had a super tough fight where he didn’t have some sort of advantage. Tom has convinced me Hes going to be the guy. Will he be the Chris Weidman to Anderson?
Don’t see things like Ariel on this one. Stipe WAS old and slow. Yet still had success against Jon. Not a lot - but he landed shots and did back him up a couple of times. Francis steam-rolled Stipe in their second fight, to a far greater degree than Jon did in my opinion. Jon was able to land some amazing techniques but Tom would not be stood still for those to land in anything like the same way. I’m not saying that means Tom wins, but Tom is bigger and faster than both Jon and Stipe and that makes it an unbelievably exciting fight.
John fought guys in their 30s while he was in his 20s, and since he has turned 30 he hasn’t done anything except ducking or very very favorable match ups
what i came to is that if Dana said he the best Jon is well that means am the best than i should make more than Francis yes Francis doesn't have to do with Tyson or Paul i think
The real question is - Is Ariel Helwani still pound for pound number 1? The answer is NO! It is Kevin Iole, Adam Cateraal, Oscar, Schmo, Nina Drama in that order. Ariel couldn't even get Jon Jones to interview before the fight even though he is American.
Anyone and everyone in the top 5 would look great against Stipe. Jon didn’t make Stipe look old, Stipe would’ve looked old against anyone. We love Stipe but Jon knew that Stipe was the easy/big money fight and there’s nothing wrong with that. But don’t say beating Stipe makes Jon look great. You crazy Ariel.
Imagine jones beats aspinal and at the post fight interview with Rogan jones says “and that’s how you sell a fight” I could see him saying some shit like that but I do think aspinal has a great chance of beating him at HW for sure
Who is to decide what Jon Jones is "worth"? Jon will have an opinion, as will Dana, as will Tom, as will most every reader / viewer of MMA ... but isn't that the whole point of the pay-per-view points system (if you'll excuse the inadvertent pun), ie that the more interest there is in the fight, the more money Jones would get. So, Jones has to "take away" the thing that people want (the fight with Tom) to boost the demand ... if he wants the most money, he has to make people believe first of all that it's worth paying for, and it looks like that's what he's doing by using the media to suggest the fight won't happen. Stipe DID look old and slow, and I think retirement was the correct choice for him, but Jones did what he usually does, looks good enough to win. Would THAT Jones have beaten Tom, if Stipe had withdrawn? I doubt it, but I'm a bigger fan of Tom than Jon because I can't respect Jones as a man after everything he's done, so maybe that influences me?
I will buy the fight to see 🐐 jones run through Tom just like he did Cyril gane fast and easy, I believe it will happen Jon is playing it smart he wants a ton of money for his last fight and I would too if I was him ..
There’s no interim champ when u have a undisputed champ . Who has a better resume as of right now Alex or Tom ? Alex is the fight to make . Hop off Tom’s -
It’s not undisputed though is it? Who has the better resume? at HW is Aspinall all day, if Jones wants to to fight Alex, let him, but he has to vacate the belt
I honestly think that Dana is that petty towards Francis that he will make the fight and pay Jon to try to make Francis look worse in the previous failed negotiations “see we can make a deal when both guys actually want to fight, unlike Francis. It was never a money thing”
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but did Jon ever mention money when it came to fighting Gane or Stipe? Yet he wants an insane amount to fight Tom because he’s clearly more worried about the result of that fight
You watch people change their perspective on the stipe vs Jon fight when Tom destroys Jon, suddenly it will be “stipe was very slow” not “JON MADE HIM LOOK SLOW”
I feel so bad for all y’all when Jon takes Tom down and smashes his face in and miss me with that bjj black belt because Jon has fought multiple black belts throughout his career
No, he was slow AF from the beginning. I don't think the Stipe fight did anything for his legacy. Stipe hadn't fought for almost 4 years and looked his age and then some.
STIPE was Laser focused? Dude was doing 24 hr shifts 2 weeks before the fight. At 42 yrs old barely taking training seriously. Jon took 3 rounds to take Stipe out who barely fought back, Jon Don't beat any heavyweight in the top 3.
What part of the bloodsport organisation run by second generation Italian mobsters and an Irish conman from Boston struck you as a Liberal firm until now...?!!
Jones is 100% pricing himself out of this fight. 30 million is the number. He said Deontay Wilder money the fight Francis. He just got paid 15 million to fight Stipe. If Dana is to make this fight he’ll need to pay Jon 25/30 million
So what he's worth more than that what's the problem is he crazy or are you!?? When people get into their hating mode logic goes right out the window every time😆😂✌🏾
Pereira is going to 5 more wins before this 2 sign the contract, pressure for him fighting Jones will build up... and Aspinal will probably end up loosing for Malhadinho Almeida instead, after getting tired of waiting while watching Jones vs Pereira trilogy
Okay both Dana and Ariel are wrong. I agree Jon Jones is p4p#1 but as long as he's the champion. Not as long as he's active. If he loses fights but stays active like Anderson Silva did late in his career then he definitely won't be p4p#1 but we may still call him the GOAT.
People act like jon jones is crazy for being tired of being underpaid. The jon jones hate is real. Its sad. When he beats tom if they fight - you guys will surely burst into tears & pass out from hate😢😂
I don’t buy many ppvs but I will pay forJones vs Aspinall
it will be my first ppv fs.
You wouldn’t with Alex 😂
Id pay $200 for that fight as long as they refund back to normal price if jones pulls out.
why so they can make $2.50 at most per buy, don't do it
Same
I’m sorry but I fought for 12 years. Anyone who ever entered the ring/cage can see that Stipe old and slow from the get go.
Absolutely ridiculous take from Ariel.
@@drazendukat4013 Agree. Lost some respect for Ariel cause who is he kidding? Stipe looked like he was roleplaying as a heavy bag. No movement and the movement he did have was in slow motion.
Ariel's a woke leftist pen pusher wtf does he know about physical activity
So was Jon, Stipe was just that much slower. Anyone who thinks differently is a buffon. Let's just forget the four failed tests
John even looked old and slow
No he was old and slow Ariel wtf are you talking about
Ariel was paid to say that I don't see any other reason.
Miocic looked like a 57 yo grand pa
No he wasnt old and slow, jon jones was just fucking phenomenal
Not at all.
@@kubrenh8976Go watch Stipes fights against JDS, Hunt, even Cormier and tell me he’s the exact same guy. His fucking demeanour during his own intros is even diminished. Doesn’t mean Jon may not have still beaten him but you’re being incredibly ignorant to suggest he beat a prime HW Goat. For those of us present during Stipes come up and reign it was clear as day and this was just sad. Ariel’s talking out his ass on this.
Yes, he looked slow af from the beginning. The dude hadn't fought for almost 4 years, and looked like it.
Jon didn’t make stipe look old. He looked old because he is old. Smh. He’s 42 and not fought in 3+ years. Common ! 🤦♂️
Wasn’t ready 44???
And Jones is 37 and also hasn’t fought in years. What’s your point?
@@Justsomeguy26😂🤡🤡🤡
Ofc jon make him look old like he made look old other fighters... they just not on the same level as jon ,people need to wake up
@@Justsomeguy26 You know there's 5 years between 37 and 42, right? You know that's the difference between a guy being just barely out of his prime and a guy who's so far out of his prime, 99% of fighters retire long before his age, right? Like, how do you not see the point being made here?
Well Ariel, i haven't watched you in a while. Congrats on becoming the biggest casual ever. Stipe is one of my all-time favorite fighters and i have so much respect for him and i am Croatian. He is an absolute legend, one of the greats and a wonderful human being. With all that Stipe looked horrendous on Saturday, so slow. Stipe would have major difficulties today against any HW in the top 10. He just looked unrecognizable, slow and stiff. And still in that manner managed to land something on Jon. Welcome to reality Ariel.
Was stipe expected to not land a punch n Jon Jones? And the Jon jones that fought dc would destroy stipe
@@k.e.reternal2437 So a much better version of Jones would destroy Stipe? Yes of course. A much worse version of Jones destroyed Stipe on Saturday. What is your argument?
... "No matter hes 40 years old hes still Stipe" seriously bad argument Ariel, like saying "No matter the age Tyson is still Tyson"
These are different scales of the same idea but still Stipe's old age and inactivity definitely made him a shell of himself in there
Whats with the casual take?
I was also surprised hearing Ariel spew the same BS like DC, Rogan and Dana. A retired 42 yrs old firefighter who just got off the couch to fight, who hasn't fought in almost 4 years.." is still the same guy who beat Ngannou and DC ? Gtfo Ariel ..
He's trying to suck up to Jon Jones, he wants an interview
Stipe didn't even look good when he fought Francis in their rematch, Stipe was 38. Francis dominated from start to finish.
It's as if people get slower and weaker as they age. Lol. Someone should inform Ariel.
Ariel just understandably glazing Jones to keep a chance of an interview, he’d be mad to tell the truth about boths slower hand speeds.
How is he above Islam with a win over a 42year old who hasn’t fought in almost 4 years 😂😂😂 Islam last 4 fights…Poirier Sub, Volk KO and Volk Decision & Olivera Sub it’s not even close.
Fr islam is number 1, and its really not that close
His body of work over 16years and through 3 generation of fighters but still active
@@Osealey 16 years? nibba please, he spent half of them not fighting. built a career on fighting over the hill fighters. he arguably lost vs gustaffson, santos AND reyes. where are they now? biased americans. khabib has never ever ever ever looked vulnerable in the cage. he is the absolute goat of fighting, period. nobody is in the same stratosphere as khabib
@@OsealeyYeah not to mention Islam hasn't fight up a division. Not taking anything away from Islam but Jones ranks higher.
You’re right it’s not even close to close 😂
Jon will ask for 1billion dollars.....and then post on X saying "he tried to neogtiate a deal but was insulted by UFC's offer" LMFAO
Yep. He will price himself out of the fight. Like a coward.
@@funkspinnabro jon is trying to fight fuckin Alex Peirera there's no cowardice in him 😂
Jon has to fight Tom for the unification of the belts. Alternatively Jon relinquishs the belt. He can't pick and choose his opponents like he has in the past. 🦆🦆🦆
You clowns dont factor the fact that jones vs Stipe was made official long before Tom came into the picture
This is way bigger than Lesnar Mir 😂
No
Yes@@kenneyoakwood1293
Hellll nooo are you serious bro? You must amnesia of ufc 100. I Rememebr it
New fan alert
@@mosamakgoka1374 its bigger in almost every aspect. "Greatest of all time" vs Fastest finisher of all time. Both supremely skilled in all aspects of martial arts, the highest caliber heavyweight fight in UFC history.
idc if Brock was famous from WWE. This fight is the all around better, more meaningful, significant fight in MMA.
No No, Jon did not make Stipe look old and slow. Stipe IS slow and old. The man is 42 and has not fought in 3-4 years. You got your narrative backwards. Everyone can see through the BS, we saw it with our own eyes. We don’t need you and Chael to tell people how to perceive fights 😂
Aspinall/Jones is the biggest fight in UFC history in my opinion
Welcome to your first week as an mma fan
I agree
Aspinall v Jones
Ilia v Islam
DDP v Khamzat
Massive fights to make rn
Ilia & Islam just need to defend 1 more time each
Conor x Khabib
Conor's numbers are crazy. Casuals
Jones had his belt stripped for having Turinabol in his system.
Jon Jones is not worth F U money..
He got well over 10 mil for this fight and would be in a position to probably make closer to 15-20 for a fight with Tom. Sounds like fuck you money to me.
Only fighter in the ufc in history thats ACTUALLY worth FU money
I would say the undefeated GOAT of the sport would be worth F U money
@@deluxsound123*_IF_* he got more than $10m, it wasn’t well over. I’ve seen recent estimates as low as $6.3m. If he managed $10m, then it’s not unreasonable to push for 15. If he looks for that, it’s legit. If he looks for more, then we know he’s pricing himself out. Let’s see what numbers get thrown around in the near future.
I’m sure he isn’t worth it to the new era of fans that consider “UFC” a sport
This fight proved that ducks can beat goats as long as the goat in question is 42 years old, coming off a KO and 3 years of inactivity.
I’m about to hear my old head coach go on about how good Jon Jones is …
Wish me luck ugh
Jones had 2 minutes of octagon time since 2020 with his fight with reyes. And jones is no longer in his prime. Hes getting old dont try that BS
@@lonewolfstrife3637 it's always something, if he fights and beats Aspinall people gonna say he was inexperienced and a hypejob..
Jon has never ducked anyone in his 15 year career pal
↑ JJ meat rider above me ↑
Im gonna say it. Take the $40M+ Conor was going to get in his return and give it to Jon to fight Tom. Conors washed and literally don't give a fuck if he comes back
No because they don't like Jon Jones so they don't want him to get paid what he's worth. The UFC only pays losing fighters like Conor and Ronda Rousey😆😆
is it really 40M+? I thought UFC never paid any fighters that kind of money, even Conor
Tom is fast, Tom is fast, Tom is fast, Tom is fast, Tom is fast, Tom is fast. Ok. So what? All Jon needs is one takedown.
Everytime Jon fights they say he will lose. That is why the hate towards him has grown to the delusional level it's at today. It's sad when it gets to the point that a bunch of "men" toss their logic in the trash and strap their feelings on tight 😆✌🏾
@@I8THESHROOMS 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 it's crazy, they said the same thing about Gane "He can kick, he moves fast for a HW" Jon subbed him in mins. Tom bouncing around like a Kangaroo isn't a threat to Jon.
@@kingjams they just hate him so instead of saying "I want to see him lose" they say things I know for a fact they wouldn't put their rent money behind - because I'm willing to bet if they fight....🫰🏾
Jon did incredibly well and he is the GOAT for me with Anderson Silva. However, Miocic wasn't made to look old and slow, he was old and slow. Sorry.
Theres absolutely no garrentee Tom beats Jon.
From what ive seen of Jon, Jon wins that fight.
Andre the giant and Hogan had multiple fights prior to Wrestlemania 3.
Saturday Night's Main Event battle royal was like 2 weeks prior. Andre eliminated Hogan in the battle royal, designed to make you doubt Hogan. Not a 1-on-1 match, but yeah they were in the ring together. Almost 30 years ago so I'd forgive him for getting it wrong.
1) The 🐐 gets to choose‼️
2) Who's Tom⁉️
- How many title/ title defenses?
- How many PPV headliners?
Next, they'll pull the first ufc heavyweight champion mark coleman out of retirement and then say that since jones beat him, that proves he would have beat every champion that came afterward. 😂
Jones looked slow to Tom will destroy him in 1 round
Jones goes as his opponents goes. He’s seen faster guys than tom all day. The minute tom comes out the gate fast jones will also. Just like him and Dc fights.
😂 y'all say that Everytime he fights. Let's bet against eachother if they fight Mr. Genius sports analyst 😂😂😂
Honestly. Ariel your take here is fire. Your perspective here shows advocacy for the entertainment sport the UFC truly is.
I think this time around the UFC is desperate to have a big money fight as opposed to 2021 when they still had major stars.
"What he's worth"
How's that calculated & how much?
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In JJ's case it depends entirely on how scared he is of losing his 0. Vs Ngannou it was 10 million (a preposterous amount at that time), vs Aspinall it will be at least 20 million I think.
He's worth enough to make you guys hate him because no one can kick his a$$ I'll let you do the calculations 😂😂
Jones being Kanye putting on a character. He’s negotiating his next contract.
Let’s be honest Jones deserves it pay him and let’s see who the best heavyweight is
I’d really like to know how these guys come up with the rankings? What do they base it off of? Wins, loses etc?
It will be interesting to see how quickly Dana starts to bad mouth Jon......
Timestamps please
Jones vs Aspinall Dream Fight!
Francis I wish was still in the UFC because I think he can beat both. Cross over fights with the PFL between these 3 would be a dream come true.
Even current fighters who are in their prime right now are shocked when they get in the ring with Aspinall, his speed and power is unmatched, ask Blaydes, Pavlovich, Volkov, who he rag dolled. There’s no way Jones will get in the ring with Aspinall unless it really is stupid “fuck you” money.
Jones will be made to look slow against Aspinall, and if Tom touches him, he done
No way is jon p4p above Islam. Alex maybe bc hes mostly one dimensional but no way islam. You're just gassing him up trying to get an interview 😅
FU money in boxing is $150M. What’s FU money in mma?
How many minutes into this video until Ariel making it about himself?
Jon is the goat , wearing hip waders , and he is treating the UFC and us fans like his sheep . We just waited an extra year for this fight , we don't need another year or more on the next one...
Wish the UFC would still work with Ariel he's really good at cutting hype promo
If Jon does this again, how can we respect him the same. Champions dont back down from the fight of the century even once. Let alone twice
Except that using PEDs does remove him from the GOAT conversation, because he has an unfair advantage over most of his your opponents.
Cry more. Last i checked, jibes was declared innocent of the PED use by USADA themselves. Also this is exactly why jones diesnt need tobbed over to you haters' demands and fight Tom
Everyone was on peds then
Stipe was working 24 hrs shifts up until two weeks before the fight. He's been out of action going on 4 years after the brutal knockout loss to Francis.
Nice win, but everyone is making too much out of the win.
Have Jon work 24hr shifts after being out of action for 4 years, and see how he performs. Just saying.
It’s a shame we are where we are now as the UFC really should have made the Francis vs Jon fight happen, No matter the cost.
I fully believe that the Francis fumble is what is gonna make this fight happen.... (And Bones trolling all of you.)
All the fighters that gave a young Jon Jones an opportunity and now he holds the UFC hostage. Shame on him
When I take even a few WEEKS off training, when I come back, I can seriously feel the difference. Imagine going from being a professional fighter for your whole career, to taking 4 YEARS off without training seriously and not fighting at all.
Anyone who seriously thinks Jon deserves credit for beating “stipe miocic, the greatest heavyweight of all time” is an idiot
No reason why jones should not get mcgregor money for that fight. Especially considering it might be the most grossing fight ever for the ufc.
The reason Jones wants a BMF belt is because he knows he will most likely lose to Tom and if he does he loses PPV points.
You dudes in here hating Jon and being dismissive of his greatness are not real fans of MMA, you’re casuals.
Great show Ariel
As
Good as Tom is i wonder can he beat jones
I was rooting for stipe
In my mind Nganou is the one can destroy jones
I heard Tom got paid 200K just being backup fighter
People forget both of Jones brothers are huge in nfl and as such he has been exposed to and has the access to shrewd negotiators who I’m sure have advised him how to play this hand. If you go back you can see Jones was quoted as being frustrated he didn’t do what McGregor did and maximise his value.
Hey Ariel Can you just put timestamps... Because many people want to hear some statements from fighter as soon as podcast begins so for them timestamps can help at lot.
Jon thought by acting like he doesn’t care and dismissing Tom was going to make people not care but only made us want it more because he seems scared. I believe Jon is the best and never has really had a super tough fight where he didn’t have some sort of advantage. Tom has convinced me Hes going to be the guy. Will he be the Chris Weidman to Anderson?
When Jon wins people will shut up.
Don’t see things like Ariel on this one. Stipe WAS old and slow. Yet still had success against Jon. Not a lot - but he landed shots and did back him up a couple of times.
Francis steam-rolled Stipe in their second fight, to a far greater degree than Jon did in my opinion.
Jon was able to land some amazing techniques but Tom would not be stood still for those to land in anything like the same way. I’m not saying that means Tom wins, but Tom is bigger and faster than both Jon and Stipe and that makes it an unbelievably exciting fight.
Jon took 5 millions for Miocic fight but for Aspinall he wants 20mill+. He will never have this money..
John fought guys in their 30s while he was in his 20s, and since he has turned 30 he hasn’t done anything except ducking or very very favorable match ups
Did he not fight a wave of guys younger than him when he was reigning he champ?
He literally fought a younger heavyweight to win the belt
So what if young .
All Of them were in their prime u fool. It was championship fight u dumb
what i came to is that if Dana said he the best
Jon is well that means am the best
than i should make more than Francis
yes Francis doesn't have to do with Tyson or Paul i think
The real question is - Is Ariel Helwani still pound for pound number 1? The answer is NO!
It is Kevin Iole, Adam Cateraal, Oscar, Schmo, Nina Drama in that order. Ariel couldn't even get Jon Jones to interview before the fight even though he is American.
Anyone and everyone in the top 5 would look great against Stipe. Jon didn’t make Stipe look old, Stipe would’ve looked old against anyone. We love Stipe but Jon knew that Stipe was the easy/big money fight and there’s nothing wrong with that. But don’t say beating Stipe makes Jon look great. You crazy Ariel.
Imagine jones beats aspinal and at the post fight interview with Rogan jones says “and that’s how you sell a fight” I could see him saying some shit like that but I do think aspinal has a great chance of beating him at HW for sure
Coming off injuries and looking like that is impressive
I really hope you’re right Ariel. Big trust tho
Dana doesn't like the precedent of paying anyone F.U. 💰. Makes it harder for him and Gunter going fwd.
PS - Nobody cares about your obsession regarding the gloves, stop making something out of nothing..,move on Ariel. 🥊
Who is to decide what Jon Jones is "worth"? Jon will have an opinion, as will Dana, as will Tom, as will most every reader / viewer of MMA ... but isn't that the whole point of the pay-per-view points system (if you'll excuse the inadvertent pun), ie that the more interest there is in the fight, the more money Jones would get. So, Jones has to "take away" the thing that people want (the fight with Tom) to boost the demand ... if he wants the most money, he has to make people believe first of all that it's worth paying for, and it looks like that's what he's doing by using the media to suggest the fight won't happen. Stipe DID look old and slow, and I think retirement was the correct choice for him, but Jones did what he usually does, looks good enough to win. Would THAT Jones have beaten Tom, if Stipe had withdrawn? I doubt it, but I'm a bigger fan of Tom than Jon because I can't respect Jones as a man after everything he's done, so maybe that influences me?
I will buy the fight to see 🐐 jones run through Tom just like he did Cyril gane fast and easy, I believe it will happen Jon is playing it smart he wants a ton of money for his last fight and I would too if I was him ..
There’s no interim champ when u have a undisputed champ . Who has a better resume as of right now Alex or Tom ? Alex is the fight to make . Hop off Tom’s -
It’s not undisputed though is it? Who has the better resume? at HW is Aspinall all day, if Jones wants to to fight Alex, let him, but he has to vacate the belt
Jon jones will never fight Tom Aspinall.
Rick speaks the truth, Tom still un proven and easily forgotten
I honestly think that Dana is that petty towards Francis that he will make the fight and pay Jon to try to make Francis look worse in the previous failed negotiations “see we can make a deal when both guys actually want to fight, unlike Francis. It was never a money thing”
Jon will never have this kind of money . NEVER
Jon Jones is definitely i
n the catbird seat. He has all of the leverage right now. You can't deny it brother has earned it ☺️
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but did Jon ever mention money when it came to fighting Gane or Stipe? Yet he wants an insane amount to fight Tom because he’s clearly more worried about the result of that fight
You watch people change their perspective on the stipe vs Jon fight when Tom destroys Jon, suddenly it will be “stipe was very slow” not “JON MADE HIM LOOK SLOW”
I feel so bad for all y’all when Jon takes Tom down and smashes his face in and miss me with that bjj black belt because Jon has fought multiple black belts throughout his career
No, he was slow AF from the beginning. I don't think the Stipe fight did anything for his legacy. Stipe hadn't fought for almost 4 years and looked his age and then some.
Whatever they pay him, everyone is going to see he’s not worth it when destroys him inside a round
Tom vs jon is more like francis vs stipe 1. Tom is still a bit too green but if he gets his shot he'll take it.
Did Stipe win his last fight 4 years ago? Hell no. He was brutally knocked the F out. Ya'll act like Stipe has been on some run for years. Get real.
ARIEL THATS LIKE SAYING THAT WAS STILL MIKE TYSON.
STIPE LOOKED WORSE THAN TYSON
Jon can’t knock a grown man out with his hands
Yea your right - the guys that he beat that knock people out are much better fighters than him😂😂😂😂😂 derrick lewis is the real heavy weight champion 🏆😆
If Jhon leaves(retire UFC he will have a huge chance to fight Francis. Dana knows that and he will make the fight between Jhon and Tom to happen
Jon Jones doesn’t need Tom Aspinall. Tom Aspinall needs Jon Jones. Who else does Tom have to fight?
I think if Jon lost for some reason they need a rematch.
Play it down.
Play it up.
Commit with some chocalate.
Jon knows what he is doing.
In 2027, no one will care if Jones fights Tom. Just like no one cares that GSP didn’t fight Rob or that Hendricks almost killed him.
Another up and coming fighter that will get humbled by Jon.
I don’t like Ariel but he spoke facts.
Jhon always makes the Opponents crippled and the fight looks easy
STIPE was Laser focused? Dude was doing 24 hr shifts 2 weeks before the fight. At 42 yrs old barely taking training seriously. Jon took 3 rounds to take Stipe out who barely fought back, Jon Don't beat any heavyweight in the top 3.
What will happen with Aspinal's career if Jones walks away. Who does he have to help elevate him?
Jones gives Tom legitimation.. Aspinall needs the fight, not Jones
UFC turning complete MAGA is such a bummer.
usa wanting to be great again is certainly a good thing
@@tarzanstrickland”Alternative facts”.
What part of the bloodsport organisation run by second generation Italian mobsters and an Irish conman from Boston struck you as a Liberal firm until now...?!!
@@MNToThat of course it's not liberal. But it doesn't mean the entire event needs to be a Trump and MAGA commercial.
The pandering has always been there but Saturday was too much
If the UFC won’t pay Jon, we should start a GoFundMe for this fight lol…
25:06 what exactly makes it the biggest fight ever. Would I watch yes but biggest fight ever is a stretch
If you think Katie won that fight, you did notwatch it
Jones is 100% pricing himself out of this fight. 30 million is the number. He said Deontay Wilder money the fight Francis. He just got paid 15 million to fight Stipe. If Dana is to make this fight he’ll need to pay Jon 25/30 million
So what he's worth more than that what's the problem is he crazy or are you!?? When people get into their hating mode logic goes right out the window every time😆😂✌🏾
John did not make him look old and slow he literally Waddles when he walks with bad hips he looked old because he is old
Pereira is going to 5 more wins before this 2 sign the contract, pressure for him fighting Jones will build up... and Aspinal will probably end up loosing for Malhadinho Almeida instead, after getting tired of waiting while watching Jones vs Pereira trilogy
Okay both Dana and Ariel are wrong. I agree Jon Jones is p4p#1 but as long as he's the champion. Not as long as he's active. If he loses fights but stays active like Anderson Silva did late in his career then he definitely won't be p4p#1 but we may still call him the GOAT.
People act like jon jones is crazy for being tired of being underpaid. The jon jones hate is real. Its sad. When he beats tom if they fight - you guys will surely burst into tears & pass out from hate😢😂
I think Jon has always been an incredible fighter but the first half of his career he played it dumb and the second half he is being smart as.