Konnan on: is the CM Punk controversy a work?
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KONNAN talks about CM PUNK's media scrum meltdown ruclips.net/video/U60mGvNcXks/видео.html
How can AEW use this when Punk is injured for the next 8 months? Nobody wants to tune in to watch 8 months of Bucks vs Punk back and forth promos. Besides that Punk is too fragile, he'd never make it through one Bucks or Omega match. AEW just needs to move on and use this as an opportunity to reset, and highlight and push some young new talent.
Who are the other 2 that are in this clip? Their names aren't even in the description bro!
@@ogre_enterprises9398 Probably patreon marks.
@@ogre_enterprises9398 Bin Hamin and GGP Look up Hamin media group!
Love the podcast, but if YOU are Keepin' It 100, then you would leave the swear words IN, or don't bother saying it if your worried about monetization. Come on Konnan💯
Tbh I don’t understand why Punk is getting vilified for this. During a MEDIA conference, where historically we have wrestlers speaking their true mind out of kayfabe, and he spoke no lies and said things that we’ve all been thinking
The champ shouldn't bury guys he should be bringing them up. While I don't disagree w what he said he looked like an asshole doing it.
Thank you. Fanboys like outrage. They could care less about more important shit. So many Wrestlers had backstage fights in the locker room and that squashed it.
I agree. I stand with punk. Tony khans mismanagement is the cause of ALL of this. Punk wasn’t wrong. Just my opinion.
Cody Rhodes must call up Triple H every night and they just laugh for hours.
Why when Vince had step down cause he was fucking his employees and paying them off. They ain’t got no room to laugh
Cody knew exactly what was gonna happen and got tf outta there 😂😂
Nah, he took a shot at Triple H too. Don’t think Cody is going to be anything other than squashed when he gets back. Vince is gone, Cody’s push is over.
@@specialkay1931 stupid comment ironic your name starts with special because we could tell your special ed by that comment
I doubt it i mean cody was a pillar and evp for that company from the start. Im sure he isn't content with the imploding of aew backstage bs. Not like he wants the company to die like the wwe schills do
Jim cornette managing punk would be incredible
My hopes that this was a work was crushed when Tony announced another tournament for the championship belt. The safest, least interesting thing he could possibly have done.
Imagine if, instead, Punk came out with the belt and said something like, "they can't fire me because I'm CM Punk." That place would have exploded.
Shemp Howard is taking the All Elite title with him back to Chicago!
CM Punk is injured.
Have him drag back MJF and make them a duo. MJF came back because of Punk and they both hate the EVP. Easy stable.
Yep agree 100%
@@markfroman738 Whooooo?
I would of had MJF come out on Wed in a Colt Cabana t shirt, and say, “My oh my, what a few anonymous texts to the dirt sheets can do.” And claim responsibility for taking Khans EVPs and favorite wrestler out of the company. Then have Hangman come out. Have a stair off and hug. Laughing about Punks ego being as fragile as his body.
That's actually really fucking good man
Would have been great
Genius. How can writers who get paid a fortune not think of that kinda heat.
That's would make him a Babyface in that crowd if that's what you are going for.
Better than what they did by a mile, kudos!!
As a fan, I can say Colt Cabana was an ass to me - for complimenting him. He's super defensive and doesn't seem that smart. I lost all respect for him. You don't treat fans that way.
were you trying to get an autograph?
@@britishbulldogsvsthehartfo5677 No. I just mentioned his podcast and complimented him on it and he got on my case about how it was free and since it was free keep my opinion to myself or something like that. I was confused and blown away. As I said, he came across very defense and I can only think he somehow misunderstood my simple comment to him. He was an ass about it and it was uncalled for. So ya know - F him.
Wtf did he ever do to you?
By now we all should understand that AEW does not have sense.
Tony Khan should hire Vince as a daily senior advisor to Wrestling operations.
Konnan says just because cabana treats disco fine doesn't mean he doesn't treat other people like shit then says he couldn't see the bucks doing anything wrong... take your own advice konnan. I've heard the bucks would blackball people who didn't worship them in like PWG. Just because they treat you fi e doesn't reflect how they treat everyone. How could one person so blatantly speak out of both sides of their mouth?
Yeah, I’m willing to bet. Guys, who aren’t a threat to their spot, are treated wonderfully but the opposite is true for those guys who are.
Konnan still needs a job at AEW so...yeah. Politic to make that money.
He is a booker so he know how they are.
@@dmat606 no, Konnan knows how they treat the man paying them. He doesn’t know, how they treat subordinates or guys on the same level.
@@spidey1z a booker knows the locker room dynamics pretty well my guy.
I figured it was real because MJF's return was greatly overshadowed and there's no way they would have done that on purpose.
If it's a work it's not good for AEW
If it's a shoot it's not good for AEW
i said the same all week....
either way shows this company to be ridiculous...
It's managed to keep dynamite above 1 million viewers. So, it is good for AEW.
My favorite part of all of this is split in two.
First, seeing the Meltzer boys shitting on Punk, after they all chanted CM Punk's name for over 7 years.
Second, MJF getting completely overshadowed, the same way he did everyone else.
Ha.
I agree all the fans calling out cm punk are the same fans that wanted him back this has always been cm punk. Twinkletoes McFingerbang &
The Kookamoonga Kids have only pushed people who are in their incircle. I’m glad this happen NOW we get to see AEWS true talent carrying the company.
Thats when it was not a work when it overhsadowed MJF return which was supposed to be the highlight of all out and which would lead to mjf vs punk with punk maybe turning heel and mjf babyface and aew guy vs ex wwe fued happen but punk messed up all those plans and mjf turned back heel and now doing same old wwe stuff.
@@kingdavid3621 you really spent some time writing all those names cornette came up with lol.
that was the whole point of this stunt to overshadow a returning MJF and get all the attention for himself. cm diva is so petty he just had to upstage MJF since he's still so butthurt about him overshadowing and embarrassing him on his first dynamite as champ lol
@@kingdavid3621 *Cucamonga, as in Rancho Cucamonga, California.
Fightful inquired with Hoffman police department and no report was filed, and they only responded on site for some kind of family thing. Until it’s reported that the police have a report I’m leaning on “work”
Or it could be simply that no one called the police. Thats more likely. Its kind of an unwritten rule with the boys if you have fight leave the law out. Cornette talked bout that. So no police report means nothing. It just means no one called the cops.
14:13 "Vegan beefs" Is epic and I'm totally stealing that 🤣🥦🥩
if this is a work then Tony Khan is officially confirmed as the single worst booker of all time. This whole thing is making AEW look like a sloppy mess.
Lmao hahah
what ??? i was hearing the opposite lmao. IF this is a work he's a brilliant booker.
Tell me mjf shooting on TK didnt damage aew but in the long run worked in aew's favour ? Right ?
He’s got a high bar to clear with Russo but he’s a terrible booker
@@maklame3318 This is bad booking. Impact is putting on much better, quality shows with a lower budget. The amount of money TK has poured into AEW's production is disguising all of the chaos happening on and off screen. Even before Punk's original injury, they should have never gave a young upcoming Adam Page the title if they weren't going to go all in on him. That's common sense, booking 101. Now it doesn't matter if Mox or Page wins the belt, because they'll look like paper champs, the same for the trios belt and the womens title. There are way to many major booking mistakes which are affecting the value/legitimacy of their championships. Not to mention MJF's return got has been ruined and overshadowed even if it got a good pop at the PPV. Every time AEW picks up steam they have to push the reset button.
If this is storyline I think it’s currently being handled awfully. I personally thought it had to be because of how absurd the stories seemed. But when Tony came on Dynamite and didn’t offer any explanation for vacating titles that to me seemed it isn’t storyline. And if it is that was a huge miss in opportunity. Seems like it was realistic to expect that this situation making the news was a chance to intrigue casual viewers to the show to see what happened. And if they did the lack of acknowledgement took away the chance of hooking them. And what’s hard is I can’t confidently use that to rule it out because for whatever reason AEW has always seemed almost averse to explaining things on their show for casual audiences to catch up on what they’ve missed. Love or hate WWE one thing they’re great at is continuing to offer recaps in their show to catch people up on things they may have missed. WWE even does it for things that happened earlier in the same show. AEW has always seemed to just expect their viewers to always know what’s going on and to consume their outside products even to keep up on what’s happening for the main show. And that is exactly the opposite of appealing to non-hardcore fans of your product offering.
OK, I don't think it's a work, but Konnan saying, "How can it be a work? Someone got hit with a chair!"
Is straight up hilarious. A chair shot? In wrestling?
Well we were told right but who saw it ? I thought its possible to be a work also. Aew has dirt sheet write what they like. Even if wasnt 100% a work doesnt mean they cant turn it into a work.
@@chrisortiz8072 Punk's injured now though. And I don't think Punk or the Buck Gang are the types to be able to work past this.
Triple H hit him with a sledgehammer its not a work lmao aww man sounds funnier after I read your comment
If they would fake all this then they need to actually assemble a super team of bookers to try and make the on screen show more compelling. Also in this instance I am not trying to knock the performers but what about Dirt Sheet drama, Elite, Ace Steel, and CM Punk would be compelling to a new fan? I think people are so caught up into wrestling and not wanting to feel like a wrestling story could actually fool them any more that they'll believe anything is a work.
What exactly would they benefit out of it from it being a work though? Lol
Regarding hangman’s advice comments: I could get him not wanting to listen to Punk. But the idea he isn’t listening to anybody when you have Regal, JR, Jake Roberts and Arn apart of the company is just wild to me.
if this is a work then it has completely backfired. It makes AEW look bad, the only people who are benefiting from this are wrestling podcasts.
and the WWE must seems like paradise now.
Not a work
They lost 340k viewers on that dynamite
Man you know what. I think CM Punk fans are so desperate for him to have an Authority or company to root against so they have convinced themselves the Young Bucks and Omega are that authority. Plus Jim Cornette loves CM Punk and hates the Elite so it's icing on the cake. Also the Elite are dorks but they occupy same fans that saw Punk as a hero 10 years ago.
and mjf's last promo didnt damage TK and or AEW ? Anti authoritarian characters are always huge in wrestling.
@@maklame3318 mjf's promo was part of the show and there was not even an explanation of why everyone was getting stripped on the show . most of the people who watch the show on TV don't even know what happened . only the internet fans know all the details and the internet fans only watch clips or pirated streams ! If mjf was really some rogue agent he would've said something about it !
Its real simple for the next 12 weeks each person in this Saga needs to have a sit down conversation with JR to have a shoot/work interview to air out their grievance starting with Ace Steel and culminating to Punk at the end. This can set up a Civil War style PPV once all suspensions are lifted and keep people talking and eyes on the product. If they lose this angle because Khan is scared its the end they will always be the #2 wrestling brand. Controversy creates cash Tony needs to sit down with everyone and either they do business or they are out of business..
I saw a weird video on youtube yesterday of someone put together some clips , I guess from being the elite. One clip shows the Elite talking about hw great it would be to get CM Punk. There was no acting or goofy stuff they usually do. next clips are them making fun of how long Punks return promo is going. Next clip shows a semi trailer with ad for AEW Elite and Punk on the picture. They are saying how amazing they never taught they would see them with Punk on an ad together. Then next its a clip of them complaining about Punk. This could be several things , once Punk arrived he rubbed Elite the wrong way. The Elite is just working the dirt sheets . Or this has been a long con angle for awhile and is ongoing. Or they just are a bunch (Punk too) of unprofessional morons.
YES!
AEW CIVIL WAR! sounds BAdASS!
So you agree it’s a work?
@@Bunbunfunfun I like how you think pal. Here’s more to add to that. If you’ve been keeping up with with cheers and boos, what state was Punk most booed during his run? That’s right, New York. The next Dynamite was in Buffalo. If they strip him in Chicago or Milwaukee or somewhere like that, reaction isn’t the same.
The entire Elite was suspended. Omega, Matt, Nick, 2 contracts Cutler, Nakazawa, and Daniels. You telling me Cutler was throwing hands? Nobody knew Ace Steel was even in the company until the Punk segment.
I don’t make guarantees often, but I guarantee you the Bucks will do something related to Target soon on BTE ESPECIALLY since they have exclusive figures going in the stores soon. Punk said he wanted to come
Back for a good story. The story is to work everybody. This also gives Omega time to work on the game. Punk is still a 2 time champ, Mox is still a 2 time champ, Bucks are still the first Trios champions. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s an Ace Steel/Punk/Colt mediation of some sort. They just showed you that he can talk and get people into his character. That last one is a stretch, but he was both of their trainer.
a work towards WHAT? people already thought that AEW was a joke company before, this issue is only making them look worse.
Can’t see it being storyline after Dynamite this week. The stories seemed so crazy to me that I assumed it had to be some sort of storyline but I can’t imagine that it is after Tony not acknowledging it or offering any explanation whatsoever for vacating belts on TV. If somehow this was some storyline they’ve already been shown inept in not capitalizing on it right away.
@@Matt-cr4vv that was a really, really bad Dynamite. I honestly feel like we're going to the end of AEW
Exactly. This is just something for smart fans and industry Insiders to care about. Any casual or wrestling fan that doesn't pick sides will turn in your show and a nervous dude reading a teleprompter. Then MJF saying how great WWE talent and their fans are.
This conversation is phenomenal. Every last one of them is preaching the gospel.
I know these young fans don't wanna hear any of this.. but it is what it is. These "boys" are fucking it up for everyone...can't take criticism, don't want advice, think they know shit even when they have no clue... Art is imitating life
Folks should really look up the real story told from both Tony Atlas and CM Punk about that incident. It’s actually pretty funny, was admittedly a misunderstanding on Tony Atlas’s part, and the two of them have made up since. Tony even says CM Punk got him a deal with Pro Wrestling Tees to sell his shirts since then. Videos are on RUclips and worth the watch
If it was a work they would've shown footage of the fight, and those involved wouldn't have been suspended and stripped of their titles. No this was as real as it gets.
If they had shown the footage, the whole point of shoot or work will be over. Ofcourse it's a work.
i mean punk and khan mite of been the only 2 in on it. ok here’s my scenario. Punk knew he still had a serious injury and was going b out for a while. so khan told punk to go All out at the media scrum(no pun) and whatever heat comes from it, TK will handle. Then u got plenty of people all over seeing what’s AEW will do? apart of me feels like by next All out or at least summer we will see Punk vs omega along with the bucks maybe FTR and possibly MJF sprinkled in.. this could end up being a year long build (while punk heals up, and probably turning heel) towards this fued. time will tell
Good point. People who's saying it was a work gives Tony way too much credit
@@GeeCoach35 it's a work and I give zero credit to Tony cause it's cheap publicity at best and wrestling world just want to ran with it as materials for their podcasts.
mjf's last promo before his return was never shown again. Wasnt on youtube or mjf was referenced until now. I still dont think this is a work but a lack of footage doesnt prove anything.
Meltzer is the cause of all this drama. Take him out of the equation and you’d be shocked how much this B.S stops.
it shows you how immature and dumb punk and the evp's are, do you see the yankees or the warriors fighting with each other because some random blogger spread a bunch of lies about them?
Hangman might not have been involved in the fight, but better believe he took that L because he was indirectly involved, and possibly was one of the catalysts for it.
The look Bryan Danielson gave Page at the beginning of the match when he let go of the tie up in the corner and double slapped Page in his chest told me everything I need to know.
Bryan also refused to shake Page's hand and brushed him off. But I think it was planned and wouldn't read much into it
Everyone seems to be trying to talk over each other here. It’s a kind of chaotic team here sometimes
that's my biggest complaint about this podcast, instead of a professional discussion it can turn into a bunch of drunken friends all trying to tell their version of a funny joke they heard that one time ten years ago
Punk worked everyone. I even think Punk told Kahn he was going to say some stuff and Kahn okay'd it. Then Punk started talking and went too far. Punk probably thought the EVPs weren't going to do anything but yell and it got out of control...
What's funny about this is I can see another fan really saying, "I heard Punk told Khan he was going to say some stuff and Khan okay'd it" and that spreading.
@@davyjones2032 In the Summer of '22.
wrestling in general has never come off softer.
..and this was the only one of those horrible scrums worth watching. I'd like to see more.. rather than the ball licking they usually turn into, with Jericho talking about how awesome he is, Tony talking about how awesome a very rough TV show is, all the journalists genuflecting and groveling it's usually an embarrassment. This was finally entertainment
well said it was actually interesting for a change. I don't think it's completely out of left field either. punks very nature is to be volatile and to just basically work every thing towards a shoot. he was never going to get along with the bucks. They are the exact opposite just schwarmy little douchebags who wrestle 500 miles an hour and who? look out for their friends.
SAWFT
I laugh every time Disco’s assistant asks, “Whoooo?”
I like how you call Konnan, Disco's assistant. Because its true. Disco is the star of this youtube channel not Konnan.
I don't know whoooooooo is talking on this video. Ha.
@@beeher8101 Lol I believe it's a known thing now that the reason most of us are here is mainly because of Disco and his take on today's wrestling
@@Am0ment0fB I have no idea to whom they’re speaking, either. No names in the description or the clip. I’m just glad Billy wasn’t on this clip.
@@ithinkaboutthings9052 I'm with you. Here have a 🍪. Ha.
This thing seems like perfect entertainment for a hardcore smark audience like AEW. They must know this backstage stuff is eventually going to make it onto the internet. Wrestling should just assume there is no backstage anymore, every wrestling secret has ended up in the media now. AEW seems to rely on this for entertainment, rather than the stuff in TV. So, I guess it could be a work since some wrestlers realize nothing really stays backstage anymore. Too much internet awareness.
It does, but they aren't smart enough to run a program like this
Who are these guests? Whoooooo??
@@Faustino__ who?
The bucks first match back needs to be losing to FTR and the second one is losing to FTR. Ha.
Ha! ?
The MJF thing wasn't a work and neither is any of this. The inmates actually run the Asylum in AEW. It's literally WCW, but significantly worse. WCW could at least draw 9 million people during it's chaotic years and would beat WWE's Flagship show on a regular basis, while AEW Is struggling to tango with WWE's developmental show.
Tony hands the keys to the inmates and says...have at it guys...
Mjf was a work and they fool us
I haven't watched wrestling in ten years, and I tried to watch that week's Dynamite. Great job.
Edit: "Vegan beefs" popped me!
Who is the guest? They didn’t introduce him and I can’t tell by the voice.
Imo it's not a work but Punk planned this flip out at the scrum. He knew he was injured, just like he knew Paige couldn't answer his ring challenge. Punk is a player and is a smart guy, this is just a melee
@harvard smith deangelo then the evps need to be fired for injuring the top guy
@harvard smith deangelo Let me guess your Twinkletoes McFingerbang &
The Kookamoonga Kids fan?
What if he did it as a response to HHH responding to media scrums by having a media scrum on Saturday? Was HHH mocking AEW? Was CM Punk actually mocking HHH? Could this all be about CM Punk vs. HHH?
@@goodday2760 no chance in hell. Period. No offense but I can't believe u actually are thinking this to be a possibility.
Nah punk is a drama queen crybaby
Sounds like Punk is just standing up for himself and other people can't stand it, a man will never let somebody disrespect them without saying or doing something about it. Everybody on here talking shit are has beens or never were's, nobody on this podcast has been on the level punk has gotten
@harvard smith deangelo what he do that makes him a snake. Being a prick doesn’t make you a snake
The Kookamoonga Kids have only pushed people who are in their incircle. I’m glad this happen NOW we get to see AEWS true talent carrying the company.
@harvard smith deangelo an unlikable asshole yeah probably but how is he a snake wht did he bully u in school and steal your lunch money or something, you don't know that man's personal business to say sum dumb shit like that
@@pleaseshutup7053 triple h said it best he only cares about change when he’s on top. If ain’t on top that’s not good enough. He’s a narcissist
@@kingdavid3621 That remains to be seen even if they are gone alot of their friends are still there and can just replace them as influence peddlers. Hell one of the bucks wives is the head of merch in AEW still as far as i know.
I don’t get how anyone could think this is a work given all the fallout that came with this. Fans who bought tickets to live shows were affected with the suspensions, titles have been stripped, and storylines were rewritten. Not to mention how bad this makes Tony Khan look, and what it’s doing to their locker room.
I thought it was staged until Dynamite. Once he stripped titles and didn’t even mention their names or a reason why he titles were being vacated it seemed clear this can’t be staged. And if it is they have already mishandled it.
Is it a work? Hell to the no.
If khan wants to turns this around and become a huge promoter in the process, he should somehow manage to get hangman and punk in grudge match. That would be huge.
If their egos allow it that is.
I feel like modern professional wrestling has somehow become a parody of itself gone overboard with the gimmicks and blood and negative press and the swearing it's just childish they're so desperate for viewership they're blowing up two wrestlers fighting each other backstage like it's some rare thing that has never happened before I don't get it is this supposed to be exciting or something am I supposed to be wondering what happens next it is supposed to make me want to watch next week's episode it doesn't when you make this big of a deal about a couple punches being thrown backstage and then you do nothing when there's like a backstage brawl or something it makes everything look really really really fake and it's not fun
This right here has nailed it ☝🏻
Wrestling was about tough guys/girls and entertaining personalities who could harness an audience.
Now, it’s all about who could ‘perform’ the prettiest flip, and everyone talking about how friendly they are and how fake everything is.
Get that fake tough guy with the "New Jersey trailer park" accent off the show. Anyone who has to talk on the internet about being an "old school tough guy" is most definitely NOT one!
Tony Atlas - "I got bears 🐻 messing with my garbage I don't need this" lmaooo I died
Makes no logical sense at this point to believe it's a work. Why divide hardcore fans AND make Tony look emasculated just for ticket sales or ratings?. Bubble will tell you CM Punk is some megastar carrying things. Why purposely keep him and the people who helped start the company out? Also even tho he's great why keep allowing MJF to just praise WWE and their talent? He just came back from his actual shoot and back to threatening to leave very first episode.
Look at Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who and Tolkien. These types want to ruin escapism and crave the power to do it to fuel their own egos. They want to divide the fans because they want THEIR fans to replace them
Your point falls flat and you expose yourself as a hater because punk is one of the 4 or 5 wrestlers in the industry today that move the needle and affect business
MJF does need to stop with the WWE talk and praise. It's getting annoying. I'm a WWE fan. I am a AEW fan as well. When I am watching AEW I want to see and hear about AEW not WWE. WWE by and large pays AEW no attention. They should do the same and focus on their own stuff in my opinion.
@@JADub87 FACTS!!! FUCKING THANK YOU
@@JADub87 he's a heel and gets good heat from the crowd by mentioning WWE and how they are better. Why would he stop doing it if the crowd reacts to it?
AEW wanted CM Punk they got him. Now they're finding out why WWE got rid of him
Hey now ! I commend Punk too for getting in to UFC . He put a LOT on the line here . Time , energy , focus etc... He gave it his all and came up short . But that takes fn balls to do ! I see nothing wrong with CM doing that . I applaud him for doing so .
If that was a work then that was better than Punks original pipe bomb promo. He seemed generally pissed off to me and Tony seemed genuinely shocked and awkward as well
One this is for sure,
Colt Cabana ain’t po’ no mo’!
A million+ fans have either donated or purchased something from him, his merch site crashed.
We got over an hour and 30min of K100 youtube contant today. Lets go!
Watching the last Dynamite
Hangman is being punished, took the L to Danielson, who they’ve cooled off so much I didn’t expect him to win
Kenny and the Bucks Trios division/tag team division and women’s division failure should be proof they should stripped of all Booking duties
CM Punk is likely done, why bring him back after his injury? There’s a 8 month window WITHOUT him, unless he’s there to “shoot” safely on a week to week basis
MJF and Moxley were clearly told not to curse and it’s Neutered them both at the onset because it’s obvious now
If Punk could fight the EVPs in the back, then he could take a power bomb from Wardlow and do actual business
Bischoff was rght controversy=cash...so that's a good thing, but where do you go from here because Punk is out for awhile
Brock lesnar had a hell of a lot better chance at making the vikings. Hell he made it until the last cut-down day. Punk got tickled in his 2nd fight. Bad comparison konnan
Who are the guests in this video. They’re hilarious
I'm a country boy. Grew up on a dairy farm. If anyone showed up to the barn with butterfly pants on he would of been picked on do bad. And probably slapped
Hangman is a disgrace he must change gimmicks
Phil is gonna Phil that is the most apt thing someone can say.
Seeing as how Lockport Phil has a history of being a whiny man-child who is always pissing and moaning about something I'm inclined to believe that this is not a work.
Would be helpful to explain who is talking.
Papadon on the podcast?! It’s been a long time but papadon if you read this, you’re still the man. Hope you’re doing well brother.
Who's the guys talking with Disco and Konnan?
No idea.
Would be nice if the names were in the info
Poor target managers, taking it as an insult is BS.
It’s the wrong kind of “people talking about it” it’s making the company looking even more poorly managed.
As wel as make the biggest stars their (punk and Elite) look like obnoxious ,arrogant children. Thats not a good look for anybody in any business.
I agree. Anybody who had hope that TK was in control would have a hard time convincing themselves now after watching Punk emasculate him in front of everyone. And the fact that he never took up for the guys he hired to be EVPs in his company. If you were a wrestler with an offer to go here or to wwe I can’t see a reason why you’d try here. This place seems poorly run in almost every way. Especially looking at how giant their roster is compared to the tv time they have to feature people. I don’t see how anybody who wants to elevate their career would give this place a chance now. And I don’t even think it’s because Tony’s inept. I just think the dude has bit off more than he can handle and hasn’t been ready to delegate. He’s trying to take the McMahon approach and control everything. But the issue is McMahon did that but only had WWE to focus on. Tony is trying to do it while having multiple outside commitments making demands of his time. Until he learns to properly delegate it’ll get worse and worse.
How can anybody say Punk was in the right to bury Hangman when Hangman said what he said directly to CM Punks face. Punk got hurt went home and seethed for months that he didnt have a come back then&decided to go into business for himself when he came back. I dont have any respect for Punk.Punk had his chance to say something to hangman face to face&what Hangman said was no different than what eddie kingston had said! Then to say these guys never did anything b4 in the business-please. Hangman vs Kenny drew more than Mox vs Punk and the elite have done a lot in wrestling.They have a bigger legacy than Punk does. Also a veteran giving advice getting bitter and pissed off that people didnt listen-like dude fu
I popped when he said "what's your question Nick".
This Ben guy is a highly intelligent and wrestling motivated thinker. Truly digging his take on this situation.
His name is Bin
@@robbymarton74 oh cool. Thanks bro. I think I might be going deaf tbh.
@@robbymarton74 who is he?
Punk still bitter about being denied the Wrestlemania main event ten years ago. I do appreciate him bashing the dirtsheet guys though.
Hey kids-
Shane Douglas runs a Target. The shot had layers to it.
The entire media scrum was a work. If it wasn't he would have not have put it up in AEW like he did MJF. It could have been edited and Tony could have stopped it. I stand by it being a work
Regardless. The Bucks and Omega are EVPs. They can’t be busting in the talent’s locker room causing fights. Punk should be fired AND the Elite should be stripped of their EVP status. In ring talents have no business being involved in the booking and decision making in any way. It never ends well
How many main event talents did Vince McMahon fire for getting into fights
They shouldn't be busting in doors. However them being evps, if they wanna talk to punk he had to talk to them
Guys, ya gotta stop beeping the curses, just block them out if you have to do something. The beep is crazy loud.
That’s what I’ve been saying! At least equalize the beeps. They have to be several dbs louder than the rest of the audio.
PLEASE.....Stop with the "I repeat Punk for getting in the octagon." It was DELUSION not COURAGE that put him in the octagon. When things got real, and he had to walk out, he was TERRIFIED. That's nothing to be ashamed of, but what he should be ashamed of is that HE DIDN'T BELONG THERE! Just because I want to do something does not mean I've earned the RIGHT to do it at the highest level. I do Judo, I compete, I have NO delusions about being an MMA champion at the highest levels of the game. I compete at the level I am capable, BUT I worked from a young age to make it in the music industry, I certainly had my ups and downs, but I've been signed to there major label deals, I've stood center stage at Madison Square Garden wearing nothing but latex pants and a dog collar, I've toured the world...but I PAID MY DUES. I KNEW what I was doing, I worked from the time I was a young teenager and sacrificed A LOT to be able to do the things I did. I KNEW how to work a crowd, models, actors and actresses and other types who got jumped into the top wrongs of the music biz failed before my eyes. And I give them ZERO. credit for being a marionette. Just like I give CM Punk ZERO credit for deluding himself into thinking he can fight.
real or fake, the fact is that Tony Khan wanted to focus his company around some mid-40s WWE reject and it wasn't working. Wardlow should walk out.
It would be a dumb “work” if he buried the whole company, made the owner look like a fool while bashing the EVPs.
Maybe they’re planning something similar to Mr McMahon vs Stone Cold. Someone said Fightful select inquired with Hoffman police and they have no report filed of the incident
13:33 Ironically, a lot of people forget Brock Lesnar failed when he first left WWE to follow his dream of being in the NFL.
Failed??? He did a walk on with the Minnesota vikings and made the practice squad two weeks after having a motorcycle accident and breaking his pelvic bone. He ran a 4.6 40 yard dash,benched 225 for 30 reps and had a 10' standing broad jump...that's not failing.
Ahhhhhh Failed???
He made to the NFL but decided football wasn't his thing...so he pursued MMA...and became a huge mega UFC star and there biggest Draw and pay-per-view buyrate king... and became the UFC Heavyweight champion of world and broke Pay-per-view buyrate ratings for UFC during UFC big Golden Era boom periods...when They were freshly new on Spike Tv.
Brock Lesner became a UFC Mega Star and mainstream star, much bigger star than he was when he was in WWE...because Spike ratings and Pay-per-view buyrates were higher then WWE...UFC was getting Attitude Era ratings back then and Attitude Era Pay-per-view buyrates in 2005-2014)...and most of there Pay-per-views back then had higher buy rates then the Attitude Era Pay-per-views.
UFC still gets higher Pay-per-views then any pro wrestling promotion now...accept for Wrestlemania, which does the same number as a big UFC show.
Brock became a even bigger star in the UFC..what are you talking about?
Unlike Punk who got his ass kicked by 2 UFC fighters in minutes or seconds and became a embarrassment and is mocked to this day for his horrible fighting skills...fake badassary...it's like Stone Cold & The Rock going to UFC in 1999-2000 at their peak and get destroyed in front of the whole world...they wont come back the same...they lost that mystic about them and causel fans
would lose interest in them because that saw that they are not as badass as they say they are...they're stock will go down and they won't be looked at as badasses anymore...It would be bad to lose as a top guy in a real fight...that's what Punk essentially did...people saw right through his fake badass exterior...just another indy DARLING that the Mark's worship.
But Brock became a even bigger Star then he was in WWE in 2002-2004)
I forgot to mention before his UFC career, he was The NJPW world champion.
Brock Lesnar made the team on a professional level with no prior football experience. He also is the main reason UFC hit mainstream popularity to the point their PPVs were beating WWE regularly between 2008 and 2011. Brock Lesnar is nothing if not a massive success story in every venture of his life.
Hard to say the guy failed. He made it to the very last cut prior to the 53 man roster after not playing football whatsoever since high school. And who knows if he could’ve made the team barring the motorcycle accident. Vikings saw enough in him to even make an NFL Europe offer that he declined. Then he spent a few years wrestling occasional big matches in Japan for likely a hefty amount of money before pursuing MMA and becoming heavyweight champion. Brock’s levels of success are absurd. I’m not sure some people truly grasp how incredible it is for someone nearly make an NFL roster after having not played a lick of football since he was probably 18. Think about that: 9 years of no football and the highest level you ever played was South Dakota high school ball and you were very nearly on an NFL roster with the best of the best. Can’t see that as a failure.
@@Matt-cr4vv Very well articulated.
Not to mention how fast he became a MMA fighter when most MMA fighters train for meny years since they were teenagers and it takes them meny years to make it to UFC...Brock Lesner was a UFC fighter by 2006...just 3 years of Training and he was running through everyone...he beat the greatest and most feared fighters at the time to become The UFC Heavyweight champion.
It's how fast he accomplishes his goals thats astounding and unfathomable.
Like Joe Rogan said he is unhuman, A freakish athlete...nothing like his breed...A once in life time theral bred that comes along once in life time.
Based on punk’s recollection of the story Tony asked about the tape and punk was respectful and tried to explain what the X meant but Tony seemed confused by it. He made a comment that punk will never make it to TV and at the time he was the ECW champ and looked at his bag and didn’t say anything the first time. It wasn’t until Atlas started calling him an a-hole in front of everyone that punk said anything. He didn’t act small but he tried initially to be respectful to Atlas. He did call out Atlas in front of everyone later though as sent down there to warn people to not turn out like him. Punk was respectful to guys like Harley race though. I’m not sure about Raven who did a lot for him. He was never disrespectful to wrestling knowledge as far as I know, his criticism is guys thinking they know everything already. He probably would have listened to tips on how to get over from Atlas.
CM Punk controversy ? The dude just stood up for himself. We live in such a docile culture, that anytime a man shows his masculine spirit it's a work !
Khan don't have a backbone
He's a owner and a legit stan for most of his top employees...turns into a big baby hugging dudes looking like a make a wish granted.
If this is a work it would have to be the most elaborate and well executed work in the history of the business. As of now I haven’t seen anything that says this couldn’t be a work. Although, this work would involve working the boys along with everyone else, which is hard for me to think Tony would do that. A police report would have sealed this as shoot, but of course there isn’t one.
Tony may not have a spine. Tony may not have experience. Tony has alot of money. None of this matters. Tony knows pro wrestling history and he buys into pro wrestling tropes big time. He has recycled a few things from the past. I think if anybody would and could work the boys ,it would be Tony. I just get a vibe from the guy he intentionally holding something back. MY hope was that this is a work, but sadly probably is not.
We’ll know sooner rather than later if it’s a work. Long term suspensions, terminations, or no angle indicate are all indications that it’s shoot. So, we’ll see. I’d also add I think Brian Last is credible when he talks about how the elite, especially Omega have been disrespectful and demeaning to the other talent backstage for awhile now. So, here’s to hoping for the hottest angle since the NWO, but I wouldn’t hold any breath.
the cops haven't written a report because they haven't stopped laughing
how would the police report be written? a bunch of 40 year old cosplayers had a half naked sissy slap fight that ended with them trading bites and arguing about their mom's bank account?
What a shitty Cornette impersonation.
The cynic in me thinks this is the most elaborate work of the modern era, but the objective side of me thinks this was just the living epitome of unprofessionalism.
We still don’t really know if the MJF thing was a work or not. He’s back , he’s talking about leaving in two years but he’s on tv and has a chance at the champion title. Hmmm if this is a work it’s great and it’s something that no one else could do is this not the whole reason for AEW ? To be ground breaking . And let’s look at the fact that people h e been saying that AEW storylines have been weak and broken, well they hire the king of work shoot, mr cm punk and it’s a narrative that has already been written by fans and critics that he and the bucks wouldn’t get along , page did this promo that made no sense before punk got the belt but no fall out for his actions , and now the titles have been stripped people have been “suspended” but there is also talk of another punk injury that could have him out for even longer this time?!This is very interesting.
Tony Khan doesn’t know if it’s a work or shoot😂
@@patale1640 look at the way he returned. That was pure wrestling. And is now involved in a storyline. That doesn’t sound like a shoot to me
MJF will leak the footage of the locker room brawl.
@@cryforthemoon you know what, if they did that and this turned into a crazy work, this would eclipse the attitude era for years to come and become the new gold standard for American pro wrestling storylines
Let's have a work and make AEW look dysfunctional as fuck with a new TV deal In the works 😂 great job Tony
A new TV deal with a management team that has openly said they’re cutting $3B in costs. It’ll be interesting to see what the results are. Previous management at Turner were very AEW friendly - they extended them and gave them a second show like three months into the original deal. It’ll be very interesting to see how he handles a team that isn’t in love with his product and are openly trying to cut costs every way they can.
At first I hoped it was a work but I sincerely doubt it. Punk went into business for himself plain and simple.
Again and again. Looks like Punk needs a good shit kicking again
And it was glorious. Unfortunately the evp’s had to go too far and punk got seriously injured in his match
@Keepin' It 100 OFFICIAL (This is from Episode 323 but the link takes you to Episode 322)
Punk brought that shit back up twice, unwarranted, with no question asked about Colt Cabana. That's what a dude whos LYING does when he's trying to sell his lie. He brings up shit you didn't ask. FACTS.
Watching the media scrum video,I don't think any journalist ask punk about cabana,punk actually recognize a guy who did improv with colt and that triggered him to rant.
Lol Tony has the best freeze frame faces 🤣 the dude looks wacked out
Find it super funny people saying WWE is wrong fir having scripts but when AEW tries to go off the cuff this happens
This is an excellent convo between total pros thank you!
Who were the guests on this?
They owe it to the fans and the rest of the locker room to turn it into business
Who's the guest who sounds like Shane Douglas? That guy's got the skills to be a great podcaster (interesting, knowledgeable, good stories, no fear of saying something that might offend and words flow easily).
Konnan, people only said that Punk rehearsed his Media Scrum, the rest was a shoot, Punk apparently knew what he was gonna say but it still was a shoot & nobody except him knew that he was about to say all of those things. Atleast that’s what Dave & the other’s say.
Nope there's a bunch of videos saying it's a work now
@@j80282 so what if there is doesn't make it so. Are u one of those guys who thinks the world is flat because some nerd on RUclips told u so?
Is everyone forgetting how Cody Rhodes said wrestling fans were in for a wild ride before he left AEW?
Cody knew about this plan a year ago? That's also a vague thing and a way to be hyped. It's like Punk saying him and Danielson is like Bash at the Beach 96. Or even WWE saying Our Tribal Chief is the GOAT. It's just being hyped and excited.
Punk won the title two times. But he got hurt in both matches. Probably just had his last match.
Shayna is a star wars comic book girl and could drop punk in a heartbeat
Punks a gangster. Them 2 fights in UFC wasnt alot. But the training for them 2 fights took over 2-3 years before he fought. So he actually has some jui jitzo and id take punk over both bucks at the same time and Omega. He would put em all to sleep.
If you ever catch a 2CW show or where Bin Hamin is working just stand around and listen to him DESTROY fans walking in 😂😂😂
Does everything in wrestling have to be a work? This isn't a work.
in the last 365 days since All Out 2021, CM Punk has done more damage to AEW than anything else in the world. WWE look like masterminds for not bringing him back.
Now we all know why WWE didn't want Punk back, even with Fox paying him the millions. Ha.
How if he's brought more attention to the product then ever before?
@@jamalq7533 making actual money doesn’t count to these people. The only thing that matters to them are tv ratings they don’t even understand how they are calculated. This is a prime example of someone who was manipulated by the education system you spout nonsense and bring up things most people don’t understand to sound smart. Just like our politicians.
@harvard smith deangelo Twinkletoes McFingerbang &
The Kookamoonga Kids!!!
??? Viewership and interest has never been higher than when he’s on. Compare it to the EVPs when viewership crashes. The facts are available
Who was the guest? Was it Papadon? He was very well spoken. Have him on again.
When he said they made the first million off his back. I was like wow dude really?