Huge question and apologize if the answer is in the comments and were missed by me. I work on the road in health care. Considering getting a Bigfoot trailer and an electric vehicle. Would you travel the country with Rivian or gas/diesel engine? Casual driving not "making deadlines."
Honestly it would depend on how long the towing drives were. Right now if I traveled all the time AND I was towing a trailer I would opt for something like the upcoming Ram Charger instead. The cost to public charge while towing is near or in some cases higher than a gas/diesel truck. There is a lot of inconvenience with stopping so frequently (usually every 100 miles or so). For infrequent towing (6 times a year or so for us) it’s fine but if you’re doing it on the daily full electric not a good option IMO.
Very welcome! You will get the R1S. To anyone waiting for their R1S I have heard, but its not confirmed, that the factory PPF option may delay your order. If you want it as quickly as possibly maybe try removing the PPF and get PPF applied after you take delivery.
Yes that's not great. We are in Frederick MD and currently delivery to us would be from Richmond, VA...still about 135 miles away. I know Rivian is trying to open additional delivery centers. One in MD is supposed to hopefully come online by the end of summer. Would you be willing/able to take delivery at the delivery center? If yes, maybe reach out to Rivian and let them know.
Yes I have the large battery pack. The large pack has a gross capacity of 141 kwh and the usable capacity is 131 kwh. We have the 21" Road wheel/tire setup which is the most efficient wheel/tire option. The 22" sport wheels reduce range slightly and the 20" all terrain tires result in a significant range decrease but they do provide a lot more capability off road.
@@ElectrifiedOutdoors Thanks. I am waiting delivery on a R1T Dual Motor (standard), Max pack with 21” wheels. Do you think if I could get 40 miles more out of this configuration with the same trailer as yours? Currently towing with a Tesla MYLR and MXLR, both get about 100-120 miles so I am really hoping the R1T gets about 140-150 miles between charges. Thanks.
Its possible you could do slightly better. The daul motor gets its efficiency advantage because its able to disengage the rear motor on demand where as the quad motor you have to put the truck in conserve mode. While towing though, the truck is locked in AWD both in the dual motor and quad motor. In the dual motor the rear motor will not be disengaged and in the quad the conserve drive mode will be locked out. While I can't say for certain I would speculate only a very marginal efficiency advantage for dual motor due to being locked in AWD while towing. Curious to see how you do!
Yes, the place we have the trailer stored is about 15 minutes away from our house. On this particular day I forgot to increase the charging limit to 100% before we left the house. I typically charge it to 80% for daily use.
There is some misinformation being given here. On your first trip you said it was a 125mi drive and you were leaving with only 90%. You arrived with 8% yet said your efficiency was about 0.9mi/kwh. The R1T has a 125kw usable pack, meaning even if you average 1mi/kwh you'd only be able to get 125mi of range out of 100% charge which you did not start with. So you either lied about the distance you had to travel or stopped and charged and didn't include it in the video.
Hey there! Yes I could have done a better job explaining the details. The usable capacity of the large pack in the Rivian R1 first gen when new is 131 kwh. When first released it was slightly lower, they opened up more capacity later on with a software update. The gross capacity is 141 kwh. The overall average was a little over 1mi per kwh. Overall when towing the travel trailer we average between 1 and 1.2 mi per kwh. Driving 60 yields the best range with the range going down closer to 1 when we go 65 or more.
Yeah, due to Mother Nature and traffic you will never be able to duplicate a trip. It does appear that both legs were fairly close though. Less than 5% difference. Quite frankly, a gas powered truck is the same. My 2010 Silverado with the 6.0 liter goes from 16 mph to 8 mph pulling my camper. That’s on a relatively calm day on flat terrain. I could only imagine on a windy day or hilly terrain. Speaking of hilly terrain, that is a pretty big bonus for an EV. Say you pulled that camper up a mountain 100 miles with a gas truck. You burned a lot of fuel. Now on the way down you are going to have the truck idling most of the time and using the breaks. So you may end the trip with a 1/4 tank. On the other hand, the EV will actually recharge on the way down. You may get to the top with only 10%, but arrive home with 75%.
About a hundred miles on flat roads? Let's be honest, 8% left would be a nail biter for anyone trying to get somewhere. And this limits your "camping" to locations with electricity. Nobody would be foolish enough to "really go camping", away from a RV Park, for fear of being stranded.
It just requires a little planning. Camping without electricity is no problem. I towed it 1200 miles in July. Public charging does need to improve though. A lot of the EA stations are broken or derated (slow). Once you start driving EVs you don't have range anxiety anymore. Use a better route planner makes it easy.
@@ElectrifiedOutdoors I did. It's about what I expected. Towed my Tab 320 with my R1T up to some property we own and got about 1.3 miles per kilowatt hour. that was going 70ish. Unfortunately the places I usually go the range isn't there for towing which is why I kept my ICE truck too. Someday they'll get there just not yet. Love the truck though. Rivian knocked it out of the park with these things.
Yes, Rivian did do an excellent job! Well I think the charging infrastructure more than anything is the challenge right now. How far do you want to go before stopping to stretch, eat, or use the restroom. For EVs in general I think they still aren't for everyone. Access to home charging is still important and challenging for folks who don't have driveways or garages. We tow less than a dozen times annually but for someone who is towing long distances frequently it may not be good. Even if you tow frequently though and your within the range ...its great for that. If your frequently towing across country not so much. If you tow infrequently and there are fast, accessible, and reliable chargers on the routes its doable also. We need more pull through charging spots. We will be doing more long distance towing with it in the future!
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Huge question and apologize if the answer is in the comments and were missed by me. I work on the road in health care. Considering getting a Bigfoot trailer and an electric vehicle. Would you travel the country with Rivian or gas/diesel engine? Casual driving not "making deadlines."
Honestly it would depend on how long the towing drives were. Right now if I traveled all the time AND I was towing a trailer I would opt for something like the upcoming Ram Charger instead. The cost to public charge while towing is near or in some cases higher than a gas/diesel truck. There is a lot of inconvenience with stopping so frequently (usually every 100 miles or so). For infrequent towing (6 times a year or so for us) it’s fine but if you’re doing it on the daily full electric not a good option IMO.
Thank you!
Thanks for the towing info; we have a trailer that's almost the same size and weight so it's good to know what to expect if we ever get our R1S!
Very welcome! You will get the R1S. To anyone waiting for their R1S I have heard, but its not confirmed, that the factory PPF option may delay your order. If you want it as quickly as possibly maybe try removing the PPF and get PPF applied after you take delivery.
@ElectrifiedOutdoors I don't have the ppf option but I'm 250 miles from a service center so estimated delivery is end of next year!
Yes that's not great. We are in Frederick MD and currently delivery to us would be from Richmond, VA...still about 135 miles away. I know Rivian is trying to open additional delivery centers. One in MD is supposed to hopefully come online by the end of summer. Would you be willing/able to take delivery at the delivery center? If yes, maybe reach out to Rivian and let them know.
Hi. What is your battery size and wheel size? Thanks.
Yes I have the large battery pack. The large pack has a gross capacity of 141 kwh and the usable capacity is 131 kwh. We have the 21" Road wheel/tire setup which is the most efficient wheel/tire option. The 22" sport wheels reduce range slightly and the 20" all terrain tires result in a significant range decrease but they do provide a lot more capability off road.
@@ElectrifiedOutdoors Thanks. I am waiting delivery on a R1T Dual Motor (standard), Max pack with 21” wheels. Do you think if I could get 40 miles more out of this configuration with the same trailer as yours? Currently towing with a Tesla MYLR and MXLR, both get about 100-120 miles so I am really hoping the R1T gets about 140-150 miles between charges. Thanks.
Its possible you could do slightly better. The daul motor gets its efficiency advantage because its able to disengage the rear motor on demand where as the quad motor you have to put the truck in conserve mode. While towing though, the truck is locked in AWD both in the dual motor and quad motor. In the dual motor the rear motor will not be disengaged and in the quad the conserve drive mode will be locked out. While I can't say for certain I would speculate only a very marginal efficiency advantage for dual motor due to being locked in AWD while towing. Curious to see how you do!
I am new to Rivian. Is there a reason why you don’t start with 100% state of charge to start the trip?
Yes, the place we have the trailer stored is about 15 minutes away from our house. On this particular day I forgot to increase the charging limit to 100% before we left the house. I typically charge it to 80% for daily use.
Thank you! Great video by the way.
You're very welcome
There is some misinformation being given here. On your first trip you said it was a 125mi drive and you were leaving with only 90%. You arrived with 8% yet said your efficiency was about 0.9mi/kwh. The R1T has a 125kw usable pack, meaning even if you average 1mi/kwh you'd only be able to get 125mi of range out of 100% charge which you did not start with. So you either lied about the distance you had to travel or stopped and charged and didn't include it in the video.
Hey there! Yes I could have done a better job explaining the details. The usable capacity of the large pack in the Rivian R1 first gen when new is 131 kwh. When first released it was slightly lower, they opened up more capacity later on with a software update. The gross capacity is 141 kwh. The overall average was a little over 1mi per kwh. Overall when towing the travel trailer we average between 1 and 1.2 mi per kwh. Driving 60 yields the best range with the range going down closer to 1 when we go 65 or more.
I missed how much your trailer weighs?
5,000-5,500 with our stuff in it.
Yeah, due to Mother Nature and traffic you will never be able to duplicate a trip. It does appear that both legs were fairly close though. Less than 5% difference.
Quite frankly, a gas powered truck is the same. My 2010 Silverado with the 6.0 liter goes from 16 mph to 8 mph pulling my camper. That’s on a relatively calm day on flat terrain. I could only imagine on a windy day or hilly terrain.
Speaking of hilly terrain, that is a pretty big bonus for an EV. Say you pulled that camper up a mountain 100 miles with a gas truck. You burned a lot of fuel. Now on the way down you are going to have the truck idling most of the time and using the breaks. So you may end the trip with a 1/4 tank.
On the other hand, the EV will actually recharge on the way down. You may get to the top with only 10%, but arrive home with 75%.
About a hundred miles on flat roads? Let's be honest, 8% left would be a nail biter for anyone trying to get somewhere. And this limits your "camping" to locations with electricity. Nobody would be foolish enough to "really go camping", away from a RV Park, for fear of being stranded.
It just requires a little planning. Camping without electricity is no problem. I towed it 1200 miles in July. Public charging does need to improve though. A lot of the EA stations are broken or derated (slow). Once you start driving EVs you don't have range anxiety anymore. Use a better route planner makes it easy.
Without even watching the video yet the answer in no.... It's not lol.
You should watch...you might be surprised.
@@ElectrifiedOutdoors I did. It's about what I expected. Towed my Tab 320 with my R1T up to some property we own and got about 1.3 miles per kilowatt hour. that was going 70ish. Unfortunately the places I usually go the range isn't there for towing which is why I kept my ICE truck too. Someday they'll get there just not yet. Love the truck though. Rivian knocked it out of the park with these things.
Yes, Rivian did do an excellent job! Well I think the charging infrastructure more than anything is the challenge right now. How far do you want to go before stopping to stretch, eat, or use the restroom. For EVs in general I think they still aren't for everyone. Access to home charging is still important and challenging for folks who don't have driveways or garages. We tow less than a dozen times annually but for someone who is towing long distances frequently it may not be good. Even if you tow frequently though and your within the range ...its great for that. If your frequently towing across country not so much. If you tow infrequently and there are fast, accessible, and reliable chargers on the routes its doable also. We need more pull through charging spots. We will be doing more long distance towing with it in the future!