Well you’ve convinced me, no way I am going electric in the near future. Been waiting for someone to do a real world test like this and it’s exactly what I thought it would be. I am in Australia and 145 miles is 233 kilometres, which is woeful! Throw in a 40 C day (104 F) which is normal around here and I expect it would be worse still. No way that is acceptable when you’re doing long distance touring, or towing cars a 1000 Klms (621 miles) like I do. Going to be another generation or two of battery development before I go electric.
It was 33ºC this day, so it was pretty hot. But, we understand this won't be for everyone. Glad we could help you make the decision that was right for you.
@@AllElectricFamily 33 is a mild day around here... High 30's to Mid 40's is my common summer. High 40's out where I work. Even now in Winter it can easily hit Mid to high 20's during the day.
I get the feeling the the big range reduction when hauling or towing is a problem with all of the new electric trucks coming out. The video of the new Ford f-150 lightning losing about 75% of its range when towing at close to capacity has a lot of views. I imagine its the same for other electric trucks that have come out or will be coming out soon. If someone, like you, does a lot of towing that is an understandable deal breaker. Someone who is using an electric truck more like they would use a car (daily commute and limited hauling/towing) probably would not be seeing the big range reduction. At any rate, this is something that anyone considering an all-electric truck should know about ahead of time, so thanks for posting this vid, AEF. 😀
Great info! Thank you guys. Been towing my airstream around the country for almost 2 years now, would love to go electric. However 143 miles on a full charge is a little tight. Maybe in a few years ill make the switch when battery tech is a bit better.
Great video! I have a Airstream 25FB and I'm thinking about getting a R1T. How is rear visibility using the side view mirrors while towing the Airstream?
You’ve got the 1980 shin breaker for your weight distribution hitch. Step into 2020 with an Anderson WD sway control hitch. Your shins will thank you! We take one long 2 week trip with our camping friends each summer. 2-3k round trip and we travel all together as I am the handy person. One friend buys a new truck every 3 years and I told him we are not stopping every 74 minutes for a 30-45 minute charge. We typically stop every 3 hrs even with 2-3 kids in each vehicle. I drive an old 20’ ram ecodiesel and we all have 30’ campers around 6-8k. Perhaps in another 8-10 years the batteries will be ready but not heat. Even our 4-6 short trips of 200-500 mile trips won’t work for a battery non-eco friendly EV. The carbon foot print you have to overcome is typically 80-100k which for most people never happens. The electricity to charge does not come from wind or solar but rather coal at least 90% here in the good old USA. Also, who drives 55mph. Try highway speeds of 70mph and as I mentioned above our campers are close to the same size and weight.
Nice video! After we purchased a bigger trailer I was Sooo sad to have to sell our model X. Hadn’t been watching your videos. Glad to see your still doing EV videos! Thanks so much for this video!! Wanting a RIven now!
We have a R1T coming soon but plan on just flipping it for profit. We current use a 2022 Sierra 1500 diesel to pull our 26 ft micro lite and are able to get 300 miles towing on a tank. Having to stop every 120-140 miles and go through the unhitching process which includes weight distribution hitch just to charge is a deal breaker. When electric trucks can get 300 miles while towing we I'll consider it again. Still have our model Y for day to day driving.
Yeah, it’s not ideal for everyone. We enjoy the learning process and figuring it all out! Getting out of the vehicle for a while seems to make our trips less stressful for us, so it works for our family.
@@AllElectricFamily oh trust me no one more electrified and green than us. We were pulling our smaller camper before we upgraded with an Audi Etron that required stops every 90 miles. Wasn't as bad without the weight distribution hitch but with the new camper it's an absolute deal breaker having to spend 10-15 min unhitching and then rehitching aside from the 30-40 min charging. Would take 6 hours for a 3 hour drive.
We had big range anxiety towing two times with the model x. Once we hit 4% in Blythe CA because we couldn’t top off to 100% at Indio we were at 83% and it was a high use charger so kept resetting to 80% and stopping the supercharge. So 1-2 hours slow charge to get to Quartzite. Our bigger trailer was 80-100 miles wish I had gotten an airstream. Lost free supercharging for life when I sold the model x :(.
It definitely takes some getting used to. There are times when it's not the best, but we don't run into those situations often. So far the benefits have outweighed the cons for us. The Airstream does make a big difference with aerodynamics...and the free supercharging on the X is hard to beat!
This is a super video! Thanks so much for all the trouble involved in sharing your adventure with us! And thanks for your infinite patience with some of the comments!
Thank you for your kind comment. We love sharing to help people see what owning an EV is really like! As for the comments, we get a laugh out of most of them and move on. Their beef isn't with us, we just get to hear about it.
Thanks for this helpful video. A quick comment on your hand-held selfie shots from the passenger side. Assuming you're shooting these on a smart phone, you can go in and reverse those shots in edit mode before exporting so we're not seeing the image flipped. It's a tad disorienting. :) Great work and helpful insights, looking forward to more.
Thank you for this real test. 100ml is seems to low for long distance trips. Any chance of having some trailers that can spare their battery with rivian, and give sopme extra miles?
@@PassionatelyOffroad Yes I watched both of their tests. The Ike was more of a torture test, less about efficiency. Their flat tow mileage test with the teardrop highlighted the aerodynamic penalties of a trailer.
Also I did 2500 miles drive from Miami,FL to Zion National Park in Utah. I did it in 5 days ( around 500 miles per day ). With a Rvian it would have taken me at least 15 days. So for shorter trips the RVian would be ok but not for medium or long ones.
You could do 500 miles a day in this current setup but it would be 10-11hr drive days. We rarely did 500 mile day trips with our previous F350 but understand some people are good with that and this current tech of EV may not be your jam because it'll add 1-2 hours of travel time to a 500 miles trip. Thanks for watching.
We went wa state to Nebraska, to az, back to wa state in our rivian, most days were 8 hours, 3, 15 hour days between 3 drivers, we camped every night., can do it, forces you to slow down.
@@s.porter8646 That is exactly the problem with electric vehicles today. In my case I did not have time to slow down, with my Silverado I could pull to the gas station and in 5 minutes I'll put gas and keep going. If I had to wait 45 minutes everytime just to recharge to go another 120 miles and then another 45 mins and so on. Also here one Florida there are so many Tesla's that there is a line waiting for two or three cars ahead of you. So for local driving electric cars are good, not so much for long distances. Also keep in mind now they are a novelty therefore charging the battery is cheap, if the majority of people drive electric cars the price of charging the battery will go up a lot.
Jea man, im going to agree to disagree, you have your driving needs, and others have their's, do you currently own an EV, and I'm not taking shots at you, I've been an owner since 15 (never a tesla) some do view as a novelty or not going to last. This is an era of early adoption/ pioneering. Gas stations were far and few at the beginning of the 20th century. I've had to ter behavior of driving definitely, im retired military and im probably 10xs less patient than you, but I wanted to go electric for my own reasons. Our 2 week trip is cause we are moving out of the country for a few years, but, you can make an ev work, just takes planning. Yes its going to be a while before charger crowding is mitigated, but its growing very fast. Curreenly there are over 30,000 chargers in the us, when I got my first ev in 15, there was half that many, what ever your choice I do hope it works for you.
I would be uneasy having a range of only 143 miles on a full charge. I've been doing long road trips in my Tesla for a few years now. Traveling conditions are not always ideal. That range can be shortened by rain, snow, temperature extremes, strong headwinds,, hilly terrain, traffic tie ups, etc. Add to that the varying spacing and poor reliability of many charging stations and situations will inevitably arise that produce range anxiety. I would carry along a tank of propane and an electric generator for an extra 100 miles of range for the peace of mind it would provide. A propane generator can be integrated into the trailer to provide power at primitive campgrounds, as well.
It does. I think it’s going to work pretty darn well. We are also on the list for the Lightning. …Didn’t think they’d be getting delivered so close together. 😂 We will let you know if we come through!
Thank you for doing this. I have my reservation in for the Rivian. I have a 27’ globetrotter to tow. I am stopping every 200 miles for gas right now for $80 to fill it up! So this was great information.
Every 200 miles you stop 5 or 10 mins for gas. With a Rivian it would mean stopping every 100 to 120 miles and having to spend between 45 mins to an hour for the recharge.
You won't get anywhere near 200 miles..best case is 100 with a little left incase of an emergency. You definitely don't want to run your EV down to zero..way to much range anxiety..with all of the other real world problems out there I don't need this amount of drama to save a few bucks. To much built in anxiety for me and my family's lifestyle. Good luck to anyone who thinks you can tow with these EVs..and enjoy your trip. When you go on a vacation why make your trip and time a nightmare.
Our 3/4 trip across the US, 5000 mile route, the only grip was unhooked the camper to charge, otherwise, was better than WA to MA in a bolt. Great vids
I think the Ford Lightning EV has "Pro Trailer Backup Assist" for different aspect of trailer connecting and backing. Likely Rivian will do software updates for the same. ie. even auto backup to hitch location.
Thank you for sharing this info. I’m one of what has to be many people who are curious about this test…especially since we too have the FC 30FBB. One question - how are you calculating 143-147 (standard/low) miles on a full charge? Completely understand wind and ambient temperature were not ideal and will vary, but your screen was showing 74 miles range remaining with 79% charge remaining and there was a comment that you just started…maybe missed 1% from the start of the test. So let’s say 75 miles remaining with 80% charge. Using those numbers and assuming all other variables remain constant, that’s 94 miles range on a full charge. What am I missing?
Great question! We don’t know how Rivian determines range on the screen, I believe it would be very difficult for them to get this number right. The usable battery in the R1T is 125kWh so with that just take the efficiency of miles/kWh into the 100% of usable battery and that’s how you get those numbers.
@@KyleKobold the fast lane truck burned thru 80% of its pack in only 70 miles pulling 6k lbs. so that 73 may be 100% accurate. They also towed at actual speeds that I’d guess 95% at tow at donut on interstate where most all trailers spend their life.
TFL's video was towing under very harsh conditions. Yes, you will run into similar conditions if you are towing all over the country, but no matter where you are, the towing test they did would be almost worst case scenario.
Just curious...how about a real world situation. Actually driving on an interstate at 75 mph? I don't think it would even be safe to drive 55 on some parts of I-90!!!
From Australia ,towing here with an ev is not an option their range is nowhere near enough when towing and charge times can be a pain ,in comparison my V8 turbo diesel landcruiser has a tow range of 475 miles pulling 2.4 ton and a normal range of 680 miles ,and I won’t kill the battery by fast charging
With the F350 depending on if it was DRE or SRW, the reflection weighed more than the truck. This affecting stability. In the rivian weighed almost as much as the trailer making it more stable? Why drive at 55 mph as most of the miles on an RV is always on the interstate. Could you do a test at 62mph (the standard that most folks think is safe) and one at 70 (most new load rated RV tires are rated at at least at 72 and most new ones 80. Could you do a test at 70 to see the true range and pull in hill country? Also, what about charging? Where can you charge with truck and trailer? The Fast Lane truck tested the rivian with 6000lbs and burned they 80% of its battery in 70 miles. It took 70 minutes to charge from 18%-99% (had to charger this much due to lack of chargers during their test). It was $63 to charge it without membership to EA. It took 70 minutes to charge. 70 minutes every two hours would be very unacceptable.
Yes, the weight of the battery evenly distributed along the bottom of the truck definitely increases the stability. We immediately realized that when we started towing with the Tesla the weight of an EV makes a difference. We did 55 for a couple of reasons: (1) Because we did our towing test in our Tesla at 55. (2) Because in most states the legal speed limit when towing is 55-65 mph, so in some states you can't go any faster than 55 legally. (3) We wanted to see what the furthest range was, and on most highways don't really want to go below 55 for safety reasons. So, we felt 55 was the best place to start. However, we will be doing a lot more towing videos and will be testing different speeds! We have several longer trips planned this summer, so we will have more information on cost and time to charge when we can get out on the road!
I've watched several of these towing videos from various sources. Basically, EV's are nice for around town, go to work, go to the store type errands. I don't see them ready for heavy hauling on a routine basis, with lack of range being the major downfall. Once you leave the comfort of charging them overnight at home, the appeal of EVs fades quickly.
That's the beauty of it, once we reach our destination we are back to charging overnight. We've had a few bumps in the road with charging on our trips, but nothing that will stop us from continuing to travel & tow with our EVs. For us, the benefits outweigh the downfalls.
Hey guys, thanks for your time to post a really helpful video with lots of good information - super helpful in thinking about what towing with an Airstream may be like for us in the future. Couple (hypothetical) questions and thoughts after watching your video. 1) What are your thoughts / plans on performing towing tests with the Rivian in Conserve mode? My understanding is the Rivian drops to it’s lowest suspension setting and only uses 2WD so should provide slightly better towing performance? 2) Looking at your previous video where you towed the 22ft Airstream with your Tesla, it seemed like aerodynamics were a larger factor in towing rather than trailer weight. Just curious if you think our 23ft Airstream (similar aerodynamic profile to your 30ft) would fare better being lighter weight or if you think we would see similar towing #’s to what you will see? 3) Lastly - if you were in a position to take delivery of your Rivian now with an option for the max battery pack - do you think it’s worth the extra $10K for an additional 80’ish mile (non towing) range? I know, lots of personal preference in that one but based on your EV towing experience would it be worth it to extend driving time between charge stops? Thanks again for all the great information, much appreciated!
Thanks for watching! So, Conserve and Tow are both drive modes…so we don’t think you can do conserve while towing. But we will see if we can the next time we have the trailer! And I think length and being slightly lighter will be beneficial to your range. I don’t think big changes, but some increase in range. We may end up doing some testing with lengths at some point! As for the max battery pack…it would definitely help with range anxiety and time of charging because you wouldn’t have to charge as deep into your battery pack. So, it could be worth it!
@@AllElectricFamilyThanks for all the additional info, didn’t even think conserve mode may not be available if in tow mode so makes perfect sense. If you;re looking for a 23 ft Airstream to do any future tow comparison tests, we can arrange that … 😂
On my SILVERADO 2WD the 25/50 and 400 mile fuel usage calculation provides very different results as it’s Impossible to actually get the 25/50 range which can be as high as 33 mpg on a full tank HIGHWAY trip which is generally 25 to 27 MPG
Curious if the Rivian having battery pack at bottom (vs F350 with a standard engine) and therefore a lower center of gravity do the trucks when they go by still push the car and trailer around or is it slightly different?
The lower center of gravity definitely helps with stability. The trailer does not push the truck around-we were getting gusts of probably close to 25mph or more and it wasn’t causing any sway.
@@AllElectricFamily can you do a video on charging with a trailer while on a trip. I think that is the biggest concern for me as most charging stations are not “trailer friendly” pull through type experiences and no one wants to have to unhook before charging. I’d also be curious to see to how you would charge the Rivian while at a park with full hookups while your trailer is connected to the power post.
Your videos are always interesting. 1. Your video seemed to be a mirror image, in that the steering wheel seemed to be on this side and sometimes on the other side of the vehicle. 2. Watching other youtube videos of the Rivian, there are good tow vehicles, and then there are better than good, and the Rivian is in that better-than-good comment category by the presenters. 3. More charging stations are nice, but they need to be pull-through type . It is nice that Rivian has a charge connection in the front. Others have pointed out, it would be nice if there was one on both sides of the front of the Rivian. Maybe you can find out if there is an extension cord would work. This is when you try to connect by coming in from an odd angle because you can't find a place to unhitch and leave the trailer so that you can charge your EV. 4. I saw the idea of the all electric with regen brakes airstream trailer. Nice, looked expensive. It would be cheaper and pretty cool if with a 3 position switch on the dash, one could send battery from Rivian to trailer, or take some of the energy from the trailer to add to the Rivian. I am thinking of those trailers where people have put in enough batteries to power an airconditioned house. Seems, even if it was done by an inefficient charger, there should be some way to do this economically. Ford is on the right track with their hybrid F150. An idea for one of the engineer types that like the Rivian.
Yes, it is a mirror image when I am shooting on my phone. The battery died on our GoPro mid-video! I think the Rivian is going to be an excellent tow vehicle. The power, torque, and stability are there. It will take more planning and hopefully the CCS charging network proves to be more reliable than we think it is going to be. 🤞🏻 We haven't had to charge with our Rivian towing yet, but at least with our Tesla we haven't had an issue finding a place to drop the trailer so we could charge--and it was always close enough we could walk back to the trailer to eat/hang out there while we charge. Hopefully the same is true for the CCS network. I think there is going to be a solution for everyone--eventually. Only time will tell. The innovation and ideas going into all of it is very cool to see!
@@AllElectricFamily you can mirror-image videos when editing (to put it back the way it should be). Just check your editing software. The setting is in there somewhere.
The real comparison shouldn't be how far on a charge vs tank of gas but how far you can go on say 100 dollars thats the whole reason of an ev is lower operating costs it would be vastly different up here in canada bc since gas is almost 8 dollars a gallon 😐 also if paying by the minute only charge to where it starts to taper down unless its by the kwh otherwise your just paying more for a slow charge time kinda what tfl did then they compared that to gas but if they didn't and only charged to 80 it would of probably cost half that
Okay, stop with the ignorant, blanket statements about Rivian/EV’s not being a good choice for towing. My take is that for regular, long-distance towing, ICE and especially diesel engines are certainty the most practical choice. But for around town/local towing, a truck like the Rivian actually seems to be the most practical. Effortless towing power and stability, and all you do is take 20 seconds to plug in when you get home, so you’re saving time you’d otherwise spend at the pump with an ICE.
Thanks for the video. Congrats on your Rivian. Good results in my opinion. EV trucks will inky get better and better as time goes on. just a correction, I think you get better efficiency the smaller the wheel, don’t you? So to go to a 21” you’d be getting worse mileage.
@@AllElectricFamily But this has to do more with the type of tread. The 20” are all terrain, the 21 are street tread. Typically the larger the tire the less efficient (within reason…obviously you wouldn’t put toy tires on) if you compare the same tread. The reason for it is because of the weight of the wheel/tire goes up.
Interesting video. Our neighbor has a Rivian and just pulled his boat from Florida to Alabama. He was curious about the charge and discovered that pulling the boat; that by the way is not designed for air efficiency, he had to stop about every 125 miles to charge and he would charge to 80-85% and get back on the road. Because it was his first long trip he stopped three times and paid a total of $30. On the return he stopped twice so it's a very good idea to test your setup as you guys are doing. We pull a 18' teardrop that is very aerodynamic and are strongly considering a Rivian to replace our Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Yeah, it seems to do pretty darn well. Had it in 50mph winds the other day (not by choice, had to get home!) and it was pretty darn stable. We'll know a lot more by this time next week after our longer trip!
EV for towing is still a long way to go. My uncle new Ford F150 lightning max out at 107 Miles with 100% charged ,towing a 5700 Lbs travel trailer. I have a 2015 Chevy Express van V8 and I went 488 miles without stopping for gas ,towing a 5000 lbs travel trailer. I paid $15K for my van.
The real test should be how pounds of coal you have to burn to generate the charge power compared to the gallons of gas. All we're doing is trading one fossil fuel for another. Me and all my family members work at a coal mine averaging around 75 hours a week at 50$ an hour. We would never have thought we would make more than most doctors a year. Come on EV Generation.
Basically, these electric trucks are not for long road trips, especially with a trailer. Tesla vehicles are the best ev for long trips. These trucks are good for local trips and contractors who need to tow smaller trailers in town.
Hey there, I am stopping in the middle of this video with a concern. I will continue watching but feel this is to important. I noticed a round mole on his right forearm. It looks very concerning. Have you had this checked by your Dr.? Please do so if you haven't, if so I hope it's alright. Unfortunately my father's side has had these and it did not turn out well. Thank you
@@AllElectricFamily Ok I thought the 135kWh was usable. Searching around I see that finding the official usable number is a bit difficult. I see some places claiming the usable is actually 128.9 kWh. 🤷♂️
So 1 hr for the last 10 or 5 percent with a fast charger. Whats the real world charge times.. cost at the station. How long to charge the first 80 percent. 45 min. 1.5 hrs..also I dont think of heat or cold or wind into my towing. There is no excuse.. you hook up and take off camping for the week or long weekend. You don't care about any if that. You load up full up and I go about 300 miles with my 2500 ram cummins at 70 75.. fill up in about 10 min and get some coffee n food bathroom and in the road maybe 15 min tops.. I have no problems with eletric motors they have been around for decades. On mixers equipment and anything else except they have constant electric feeding them from a 240v.. but for tow or work trucks... nope not for many of us..
They are going to have to pry my ICE Chevy from my cold, dead hands. Electric is sooooo overrated and many many years from being practical for overlanders and people who don't want to plan their trips around charging stations and long waits. Time is money and gas is way cheaper than the car payment on something like this. Also my city burns coal to power these green vehicles, so they aren't that green IMO with the batteries and environmental impact down the road. My 20 year old Chevy looks better everyday and is better than new based on what I'm seeing on modern trucks.
Thanks a ton for convincing me EV's are no where near ready for road trips, ESPE CIALLY Towing. I NEVER Worried about "Gusts" when driving before... this is a waste. "So for those people like me (A dumbass) 100 miles is doable"... That's a trip??? She's a dunce, he's a tool.
I know it looks like a truck, but it's kind of useless if it can only tow for 120-140 miles. It could take weeks to take a long trip. Why would you waste your $ on such a vehicle? If you want to tow, get a real truck. And there is no hard data to show electric vehicles produce less carbon (manufacturing and vehicle life cycle). Electricity is made by burning fossil fuels, no way around it yet.
On a 100% charge it would be over 140, we didn't charge to 100% for this video because we knew we wouldn't need it and charging to 100% all the time isn't great for the battery.
Depends on how you like to travel. For us, it works great…in fact we prefer it over gas vehicles since we are forced to slow down. Stopping to charge has taken us to places we never would have visited had it not been for our need to charge. So it’s all just a matter of personal preference.
@@DaxM So what. Humans aren't killing the environment by using petrol. The Sun is, solar forcing on a weak Earth's magnetic field is causing weather anomaly's
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Well you’ve convinced me, no way I am going electric in the near future. Been waiting for someone to do a real world test like this and it’s exactly what I thought it would be. I am in Australia and 145 miles is 233 kilometres, which is woeful! Throw in a 40 C day (104 F) which is normal around here and I expect it would be worse still. No way that is acceptable when you’re doing long distance touring, or towing cars a 1000 Klms (621 miles) like I do. Going to be another generation or two of battery development before I go electric.
It was 33ºC this day, so it was pretty hot. But, we understand this won't be for everyone. Glad we could help you make the decision that was right for you.
I'm in 😁
@@AllElectricFamily 33 is a mild day around here... High 30's to Mid 40's is my common summer. High 40's out where I work. Even now in Winter it can easily hit Mid to high 20's during the day.
@@AllElectricFamily haha, really? You need to plan on temp. when planning out your trip due to how your "truck" will respond. Yeah, hells no.
I get the feeling the the big range reduction when hauling or towing is a problem with all of the new electric trucks coming out. The video of the new Ford f-150 lightning losing about 75% of its range when towing at close to capacity has a lot of views. I imagine its the same for other electric trucks that have come out or will be coming out soon. If someone, like you, does a lot of towing that is an understandable deal breaker. Someone who is using an electric truck more like they would use a car (daily commute and limited hauling/towing) probably would not be seeing the big range reduction. At any rate, this is something that anyone considering an all-electric truck should know about ahead of time, so thanks for posting this vid, AEF. 😀
Thats great! Im also hoping for anything over 100 miles towing a camper this size, near 150 (full) is great.
Great info! Thank you guys. Been towing my airstream around the country for almost 2 years now, would love to go electric. However 143 miles on a full charge is a little tight. Maybe in a few years ill make the switch when battery tech is a bit better.
Great video! I have a Airstream 25FB and I'm thinking about getting a R1T. How is rear visibility using the side view mirrors while towing the Airstream?
Answer: 143-147 miles
Thanks, you could also use the trip meter so u don't have to keep looking at every 15min intervals
Yeah, we kind of realized it as we started the trip. Haven’t had it long enough to figure out where everything is yet! 😂
You’ve got the 1980 shin breaker for your weight distribution hitch. Step into 2020 with an Anderson WD sway control hitch. Your shins will thank you! We take one long 2 week trip with our camping friends each summer. 2-3k round trip and we travel all together as I am the handy person. One friend buys a new truck every 3 years and I told him we are not stopping every 74 minutes for a 30-45 minute charge. We typically stop every 3 hrs even with 2-3 kids in each vehicle. I drive an old 20’ ram ecodiesel and we all have 30’ campers around 6-8k. Perhaps in another 8-10 years the batteries will be ready but not heat. Even our 4-6 short trips of 200-500 mile trips won’t work for a battery non-eco friendly EV. The carbon foot print you have to overcome is typically 80-100k which for most people never happens. The electricity to charge does not come from wind or solar but rather coal at least 90% here in the good old USA. Also, who drives 55mph. Try highway speeds of 70mph and as I mentioned above our campers are close to the same size and weight.
Nice video! After we purchased a bigger trailer I was Sooo sad to have to sell our model X. Hadn’t been watching your videos. Glad to see your still doing EV videos! Thanks so much for this video!!
Wanting a RIven now!
Hope you get your Rivian soon--it's a great truck!
We have a R1T coming soon but plan on just flipping it for profit. We current use a 2022 Sierra 1500 diesel to pull our 26 ft micro lite and are able to get 300 miles towing on a tank. Having to stop every 120-140 miles and go through the unhitching process which includes weight distribution hitch just to charge is a deal breaker. When electric trucks can get 300 miles while towing we I'll consider it again. Still have our model Y for day to day driving.
Yeah, it’s not ideal for everyone. We enjoy the learning process and figuring it all out! Getting out of the vehicle for a while seems to make our trips less stressful for us, so it works for our family.
@@AllElectricFamily oh trust me no one more electrified and green than us. We were pulling our smaller camper before we upgraded with an Audi Etron that required stops every 90 miles. Wasn't as bad without the weight distribution hitch but with the new camper it's an absolute deal breaker having to spend 10-15 min unhitching and then rehitching aside from the 30-40 min charging. Would take 6 hours for a 3 hour drive.
20 min to charge, I don't have time traveling across the country.
Yeah you will spend more time on the road but you will also spend less money with an EV. Especially with the gas prices nowadays🛻
We had big range anxiety towing two times with the model x. Once we hit 4% in Blythe CA because we couldn’t top off to 100% at Indio we were at 83% and it was a high use charger so kept resetting to 80% and stopping the supercharge.
So 1-2 hours slow charge to get to Quartzite.
Our bigger trailer was 80-100 miles wish I had gotten an airstream. Lost free supercharging for life when I sold the model x :(.
It definitely takes some getting used to. There are times when it's not the best, but we don't run into those situations often. So far the benefits have outweighed the cons for us.
The Airstream does make a big difference with aerodynamics...and the free supercharging on the X is hard to beat!
This is a super video! Thanks so much for all the trouble involved in sharing your adventure with us! And thanks for your infinite patience with some of the comments!
Thank you for your kind comment. We love sharing to help people see what owning an EV is really like! As for the comments, we get a laugh out of most of them and move on. Their beef isn't with us, we just get to hear about it.
Thanks for this helpful video. A quick comment on your hand-held selfie shots from the passenger side. Assuming you're shooting these on a smart phone, you can go in and reverse those shots in edit mode before exporting so we're not seeing the image flipped. It's a tad disorienting. :) Great work and helpful insights, looking forward to more.
Hey, but it kept you on your toes, didn't it. 😆 Thanks for watching and we will check our settings.
Thank you for this real test. 100ml is seems to low for long distance trips. Any chance of having some trailers that can spare their battery with rivian, and give sopme extra miles?
1.18 mi/kwh on a 90+ degree day, with that trailer is more efficient than I expected. Can't wait to see my R1T.
Thanks for the aimless driving test!
Thanks! We love a good afternoon drive. 😁Yes, it did pretty darn well on a hot, windy day! Hopefully yours is set to come soon!
You should watch the fast lane trucks tow test. 80% of its pack in 70 miles!
@@PassionatelyOffroad Yes I watched both of their tests. The Ike was more of a torture test, less about efficiency. Their flat tow mileage test with the teardrop highlighted the aerodynamic penalties of a trailer.
@@brady783 he burned the 80% before he ever got to the Ike.
Also I did 2500 miles drive from Miami,FL to Zion National Park in Utah. I did it in 5 days ( around 500 miles per day ). With a Rvian it would have taken me at least 15 days. So for shorter trips the RVian would be ok but not for medium or long ones.
You could do 500 miles a day in this current setup but it would be 10-11hr drive days. We rarely did 500 mile day trips with our previous F350 but understand some people are good with that and this current tech of EV may not be your jam because it'll add 1-2 hours of travel time to a 500 miles trip. Thanks for watching.
We went wa state to Nebraska, to az, back to wa state in our rivian, most days were 8 hours, 3, 15 hour days between 3 drivers, we camped every night., can do it, forces you to slow down.
@@s.porter8646 That is exactly the problem with electric vehicles today. In my case I did not have time to slow down, with my Silverado I could pull to the gas station and in 5 minutes I'll put gas and keep going. If I had to wait 45 minutes everytime just to recharge to go another 120 miles and then another 45 mins and so on. Also here one Florida there are so many Tesla's that there is a line waiting for two or three cars ahead of you. So for local driving electric cars are good, not so much for long distances. Also keep in mind now they are a novelty therefore charging the battery is cheap, if the majority of people drive electric cars the price of charging the battery will go up a lot.
Jea man, im going to agree to disagree, you have your driving needs, and others have their's, do you currently own an EV, and I'm not taking shots at you, I've been an owner since 15 (never a tesla) some do view as a novelty or not going to last. This is an era of early adoption/ pioneering. Gas stations were far and few at the beginning of the 20th century. I've had to ter behavior of driving definitely, im retired military and im probably 10xs less patient than you, but I wanted to go electric for my own reasons. Our 2 week trip is cause we are moving out of the country for a few years, but, you can make an ev work, just takes planning. Yes its going to be a while before charger crowding is mitigated, but its growing very fast. Curreenly there are over 30,000 chargers in the us, when I got my first ev in 15, there was half that many, what ever your choice I do hope it works for you.
I would be uneasy having a range of only 143 miles on a full charge. I've been doing long road trips in my Tesla for a few years now. Traveling conditions are not always ideal. That range can be shortened by rain, snow, temperature extremes, strong headwinds,, hilly terrain, traffic tie ups, etc. Add to that the varying spacing and poor reliability of many charging stations and situations will inevitably arise that produce range anxiety. I would carry along a tank of propane and an electric generator for an extra 100 miles of range for the peace of mind it would provide. A propane generator can be integrated into the trailer to provide power at primitive campgrounds, as well.
Looks promising! Come back to Rich Hill in a few weeks and we can compare to my new Lightning(scheduled for production next week!!!).
It does. I think it’s going to work pretty darn well. We are also on the list for the Lightning. …Didn’t think they’d be getting delivered so close together. 😂 We will let you know if we come through!
so cool a trip just down the street then essentially
I'm thinking a Chevy Express 2500 or 3500 would be a better choice. Let's see what the cyber truck looks like next month.
And it’s worse lol
What is with the one camera having a reverse image, disconcerting
Thank you for doing this. I have my reservation in for the Rivian. I have a 27’ globetrotter to tow. I am stopping every 200 miles for gas right now for $80 to fill it up! So this was great information.
Glad it was helpful! Hopefully you get your truck soon!
Every 200 miles you stop 5 or 10 mins for gas. With a Rivian it would mean stopping every 100 to 120 miles and having to spend between 45 mins to an hour for the recharge.
@Jan 6 was "Wall Street Putsch" part 2 Yes that will be now, once the mayority of cars are electric the price won't be cheap anymore.
You won't get anywhere near 200 miles..best case is 100 with a little left incase of an emergency. You definitely don't want to run your EV down to zero..way to much range anxiety..with all of the other real world problems out there I don't need this amount of drama to save a few bucks. To much built in anxiety for me and my family's lifestyle. Good luck to anyone who thinks you can tow with these EVs..and enjoy your trip. When you go on a vacation why make your trip and time a nightmare.
@@frankalvarez8418 The Rivian adds 50% charge in like 20 minutes. There's no reason to charge for 45 minutes.
Our 3/4 trip across the US, 5000 mile route, the only grip was unhooked the camper to charge, otherwise, was better than WA to MA in a bolt. Great vids
We agree, hopefully more thought goes into new stations. Thanks
But what's the weight of the airstream???
That's what I'm wondering too.
As listed on screen when we picked up the camper, 8,800lbs fully loaded.
Thanks! How much did that trailer weigh for the test?
Probably right around 7,500lbs.
How many kwh battery is your R1S?
Is the a RIGHT hand drive Rivian? Your video him driving in the left seat!
Had a setting wrong in the phone so it was mirroring the image.
Is it just me or is he left hand driving in some cuts. But right hand driving in others. Does the steering wheel move to both sides?
I think the Ford Lightning EV has "Pro Trailer Backup Assist" for different aspect of trailer connecting and backing. Likely Rivian will do software updates for the same. ie. even auto backup to hitch location.
Hopefully that will help make it easier!
Thank you for sharing this info. I’m one of what has to be many people who are curious about this test…especially since we too have the FC 30FBB. One question - how are you calculating 143-147 (standard/low) miles on a full charge? Completely understand wind and ambient temperature were not ideal and will vary, but your screen was showing 74 miles range remaining with 79% charge remaining and there was a comment that you just started…maybe missed 1% from the start of the test. So let’s say 75 miles remaining with 80% charge. Using those numbers and assuming all other variables remain constant, that’s 94 miles range on a full charge. What am I missing?
Great question! We don’t know how Rivian determines range on the screen, I believe it would be very difficult for them to get this number right. The usable battery in the R1T is 125kWh so with that just take the efficiency of miles/kWh into the 100% of usable battery and that’s how you get those numbers.
Ok, makes sense. Thanks again for the video.
@@KyleKobold the fast lane truck burned thru 80% of its pack in only 70 miles pulling 6k lbs. so that 73 may be 100% accurate. They also towed at actual speeds that I’d guess 95% at tow at donut on interstate where most all trailers spend their life.
@@AllElectricFamily Are you sure it's 125 kWh? Everything I've read says 135 kWh?
TFL's video was towing under very harsh conditions. Yes, you will run into similar conditions if you are towing all over the country, but no matter where you are, the towing test they did would be almost worst case scenario.
Set your cameras so the that driver is always on the right of the picture. It keeps changing.
But its fun driving on the other side sometimes.
Just curious...how about a real world situation. Actually driving on an interstate at 75 mph? I don't think it would even be safe to drive 55 on some parts of I-90!!!
Maybe you said in one of your videos but which Rivian did you get? Dual motor or quad. Which battery pack did you get?
Currently they only produce the Quad motor with the mid size battery pack. The big one would be nice.
From Australia ,towing here with an ev is not an option their range is nowhere near enough when towing and charge times can be a pain ,in comparison my V8 turbo diesel landcruiser has a tow range of 475 miles pulling 2.4 ton and a normal range of 680 miles ,and I won’t kill the battery by fast charging
That’s a lot of miles. I’m sure things will get better, seemed pretty good to us for being a first gen tech for a pickup. Thanks for watching
Tom from State Of Charge has a video on the charge rate and where the State of Charge falls-off. It may help you in your travels.
We will be sure to watch that one, thank you! It's so interesting how each EV has their own charge personality. Makes it fun to learn your new car!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing. 🙏
Thank you!! We can’t wait to get more towing in!
With the F350 depending on if it was DRE or SRW, the reflection weighed more than the truck. This affecting stability. In the rivian weighed almost as much as the trailer making it more stable? Why drive at 55 mph as most of the miles on an RV is always on the interstate. Could you do a test at 62mph (the standard that most folks think is safe) and one at 70 (most new load rated RV tires are rated at at least at 72 and most new ones 80. Could you do a test at 70 to see the true range and pull in hill country? Also, what about charging? Where can you charge with truck and trailer? The Fast Lane truck tested the rivian with 6000lbs and burned they 80% of its battery in 70 miles. It took 70 minutes to charge from 18%-99% (had to charger this much due to lack of chargers during their test). It was $63 to charge it without membership to EA. It took 70 minutes to charge. 70 minutes every two hours would be very unacceptable.
Yes, the weight of the battery evenly distributed along the bottom of the truck definitely increases the stability. We immediately realized that when we started towing with the Tesla the weight of an EV makes a difference. We did 55 for a couple of reasons: (1) Because we did our towing test in our Tesla at 55. (2) Because in most states the legal speed limit when towing is 55-65 mph, so in some states you can't go any faster than 55 legally. (3) We wanted to see what the furthest range was, and on most highways don't really want to go below 55 for safety reasons. So, we felt 55 was the best place to start. However, we will be doing a lot more towing videos and will be testing different speeds! We have several longer trips planned this summer, so we will have more information on cost and time to charge when we can get out on the road!
@@AllElectricFamily you are killing it sir (in a good way)!! I look forward to all of your content!! ✊✊
I've watched several of these towing videos from various sources. Basically, EV's are nice for around town, go to work, go to the store type errands. I don't see them ready for heavy hauling on a routine basis, with lack of range being the major downfall. Once you leave the comfort of charging them overnight at home, the appeal of EVs fades quickly.
That's the beauty of it, once we reach our destination we are back to charging overnight. We've had a few bumps in the road with charging on our trips, but nothing that will stop us from continuing to travel & tow with our EVs. For us, the benefits outweigh the downfalls.
Looks like the steering wheel is on the wrong side? Is it the camera?
It’s the camera
Hey guys, thanks for your time to post a really helpful video with lots of good information - super helpful in thinking about what towing with an Airstream may be like for us in the future. Couple (hypothetical) questions and thoughts after watching your video.
1) What are your thoughts / plans on performing towing tests with the Rivian in Conserve mode? My understanding is the Rivian drops to it’s lowest suspension setting and only uses 2WD so should provide slightly better towing performance?
2) Looking at your previous video where you towed the 22ft Airstream with your Tesla, it seemed like aerodynamics were a larger factor in towing rather than trailer weight. Just curious if you think our 23ft Airstream (similar aerodynamic profile to your 30ft) would fare better being lighter weight or if you think we would see similar towing #’s to what you will see?
3) Lastly - if you were in a position to take delivery of your Rivian now with an option for the max battery pack - do you think it’s worth the extra $10K for an additional 80’ish mile (non towing) range? I know, lots of personal preference in that one but based on your EV towing experience would it be worth it to extend driving time between charge stops?
Thanks again for all the great information, much appreciated!
Thanks for watching! So, Conserve and Tow are both drive modes…so we don’t think you can do conserve while towing. But we will see if we can the next time we have the trailer!
And I think length and being slightly lighter will be beneficial to your range. I don’t think big changes, but some increase in range. We may end up doing some testing with lengths at some point!
As for the max battery pack…it would definitely help with range anxiety and time of charging because you wouldn’t have to charge as deep into your battery pack. So, it could be worth it!
@@AllElectricFamilyThanks for all the additional info, didn’t even think conserve mode may not be available if in tow mode so makes perfect sense. If you;re looking for a 23 ft Airstream to do any future tow comparison tests, we can arrange that … 😂
Do you still own the Tesla Model x?
We do!
@@AllElectricFamily awesome 👍
What RVer only drives 140 miler per day? That's like 2,5 hours. They definitely have some work to do. Cool truck as long as you don't use it like one.
Why no sun glasses?
Future ain't that bright!
Aside from any manual control, do the trailer breaks activate with high regen? Do they activate when friction breaks are used on the truck?
They do not activate with regenerative breaking, but they do when friction breaks are applied.
On my SILVERADO 2WD the 25/50 and 400 mile fuel usage calculation provides very different results as it’s Impossible to actually get the 25/50 range which can be as high as 33 mpg on a full tank HIGHWAY trip which is generally 25 to 27 MPG
Good stuff!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Have you tried towing going up a mountain?
Yes we have, it was fun. Even more fun going down. Our newest video was the trip up the mountain. Thanks
@@AllElectricFamily The range must have been very different going up.
Curious if the Rivian having battery pack at bottom (vs F350 with a standard engine) and therefore a lower center of gravity do the trucks when they go by still push the car and trailer around or is it slightly different?
The lower center of gravity definitely helps with stability. The trailer does not push the truck around-we were getting gusts of probably close to 25mph or more and it wasn’t causing any sway.
@@AllElectricFamily can you do a video on charging with a trailer while on a trip. I think that is the biggest concern for me as most charging stations are not “trailer friendly” pull through type experiences and no one wants to have to unhook before charging.
I’d also be curious to see to how you would charge the Rivian while at a park with full hookups while your trailer is connected to the power post.
With the Ford F-350 with empty bed the dynamics are very different compared to the rivian where the batteries occupied all the chassis of the car.
@@jeffferrari8028 if they pulled this trailer with the f350, it’d be more stable than the rivian Bs the reflection they used to pull.
We will be covering both in upcoming videos!
Your videos are always interesting.
1. Your video seemed to be a mirror image, in that the steering wheel seemed to be on this side and sometimes on the other side of the vehicle.
2. Watching other youtube videos of the Rivian, there are good tow vehicles, and then there are better than good, and the Rivian is in that better-than-good comment category by the presenters.
3. More charging stations are nice, but they need to be pull-through type . It is nice that Rivian has a charge connection in the front. Others have pointed out, it would be nice if there was one on both sides of the front of the Rivian. Maybe you can find out if there is an extension cord would work. This is when you try to connect by coming in from an odd angle because you can't find a place to unhitch and leave the trailer so that you can charge your EV.
4. I saw the idea of the all electric with regen brakes airstream trailer. Nice, looked expensive. It would be cheaper and pretty cool if with a 3 position switch on the dash, one could send battery from Rivian to trailer, or take some of the energy from the trailer to add to the Rivian. I am thinking of those trailers where people have put in enough batteries to power an airconditioned house. Seems, even if it was done by an inefficient charger, there should be some way to do this economically. Ford is on the right track with their hybrid F150. An idea for one of the engineer types that like the Rivian.
Yes, it is a mirror image when I am shooting on my phone. The battery died on our GoPro mid-video!
I think the Rivian is going to be an excellent tow vehicle. The power, torque, and stability are there. It will take more planning and hopefully the CCS charging network proves to be more reliable than we think it is going to be. 🤞🏻
We haven't had to charge with our Rivian towing yet, but at least with our Tesla we haven't had an issue finding a place to drop the trailer so we could charge--and it was always close enough we could walk back to the trailer to eat/hang out there while we charge. Hopefully the same is true for the CCS network.
I think there is going to be a solution for everyone--eventually. Only time will tell. The innovation and ideas going into all of it is very cool to see!
@@AllElectricFamily you can mirror-image videos when editing (to put it back the way it should be). Just check your editing software. The setting is in there somewhere.
The real comparison shouldn't be how far on a charge vs tank of gas but how far you can go on say 100 dollars thats the whole reason of an ev is lower operating costs it would be vastly different up here in canada bc since gas is almost 8 dollars a gallon 😐 also if paying by the minute only charge to where it starts to taper down unless its by the kwh otherwise your just paying more for a slow charge time kinda what tfl did then they compared that to gas but if they didn't and only charged to 80 it would of probably cost half that
This is a great idea, you'll probably see a video about this very soon!
Can you give a video explain mi/kWh? What’s that mean for my lizard brain stuck on mpg’s? Thanks for the video! This is the setup we want to buy soon
We usually include this, sorry! It’s about 40mpg equivalent!
Was happy to learn in your video that ol’ Riv can tow more than I thought!
It did a great job for our little test. We can’t wait to take it further!
Okay, stop with the ignorant, blanket statements about Rivian/EV’s not being a good choice for towing. My take is that for regular, long-distance towing, ICE and especially diesel engines are certainty the most practical choice. But for around town/local towing, a truck like the Rivian actually seems to be the most practical. Effortless towing power and stability, and all you do is take 20 seconds to plug in when you get home, so you’re saving time you’d otherwise spend at the pump with an ICE.
Thanks for the video. Congrats on your Rivian. Good results in my opinion. EV trucks will inky get better and better as time goes on.
just a correction, I think you get better efficiency the smaller the wheel, don’t you? So to go to a 21” you’d be getting worse mileage.
Actually the 21” wheels on the Rivian are more efficient. So, we are getting worse range than some.
@@AllElectricFamily But this has to do more with the type of tread. The 20” are all terrain, the 21 are street tread. Typically the larger the tire the less efficient (within reason…obviously you wouldn’t put toy tires on) if you compare the same tread. The reason for it is because of the weight of the wheel/tire goes up.
Interesting video. Our neighbor has a Rivian and just pulled his boat from Florida to Alabama. He was curious about the charge and discovered that pulling the boat; that by the way is not designed for air efficiency, he had to stop about every 125 miles to charge and he would charge to 80-85% and get back on the road. Because it was his first long trip he stopped three times and paid a total of $30. On the return he stopped twice so it's a very good idea to test your setup as you guys are doing. We pull a 18' teardrop that is very aerodynamic and are strongly considering a Rivian to replace our Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Thanks. Have fun out there!
At least you can do , is hook the chains up correctly.
Doesn't look like they're crossed in the video, but they are if that's what you're referring to.
This wouldn’t work if you’re pulling in California Sierra mountains. Love to see you pull up hill in the mountains from 500 feet to 7000 feet.
Depends how far the distance of ascent and descent are
@@realMysta shorter distance would mean a steeper ascent, though
@@EV3NTH888 yeah but everything changes. Slower steeper = less air impact, so it all can have an effect
@@realMysta true, it would be interesting to see how the range would be change in that situation.
It all depends. We hope to do some mountain towing very soon!
140 miles not bad range, that’s what we had towing our small trailer with the model X.
Yeah, it seems to do pretty darn well. Had it in 50mph winds the other day (not by choice, had to get home!) and it was pretty darn stable. We'll know a lot more by this time next week after our longer trip!
55mph test what's highway speed 65-75?
55 mph is the speed EPA ratings are done, that's why we use 55 for these tests.
EV for towing is still a long way to go. My uncle new Ford F150 lightning max out at 107 Miles with 100% charged ,towing a 5700 Lbs travel trailer. I have a 2015 Chevy Express van V8 and I went 488 miles without stopping for gas ,towing a 5000 lbs travel trailer. I paid $15K for my van.
Glad you like your van, we towed this 8800lb trailer 140 miles.
The real test should be how pounds of coal you have to burn to generate the charge power compared to the gallons of gas. All we're doing is trading one fossil fuel for another. Me and all my family members work at a coal mine averaging around 75 hours a week at 50$ an hour. We would never have thought we would make more than most doctors a year. Come on EV Generation.
Assuming your power comes from coal, sure. My power in western New York comes from wind and hydro!
@@randocrypto1678 unfortunately I live in Utah 100% coal
Basically, these electric trucks are not for long road trips, especially with a trailer. Tesla vehicles are the best ev for long trips. These trucks are good for local trips and contractors who need to tow smaller trailers in town.
In your opinion or for your use. For us, they're great for road trips and towing. Just a difference in mindset and the way we view our travels.
There's a couple ppl that have gone cross-country with the rivian, you stop to charge you can recharge too
Have you stopped at a scale to check weight on the rear axle and also checked how close you are to the payload limit of the truck?
120 to 140 miles. Its dead on arrival at the cabin for most people.
55 mph? That would get you ran over on the interstate :) LOL. Now do a test towing in real world conditions like 72-73 mph on the interstate.
Hey there, I am stopping in the middle of this video with a concern. I will continue watching but feel this is to important.
I noticed a round mole on his right forearm. It looks very concerning. Have you had this checked by your Dr.? Please do so if you haven't, if so I hope it's alright. Unfortunately my father's side has had these and it did not turn out well.
Thank you
Yes, thank you for your concern. It has been checked out!
At 1.18 miles/kWh my math gives a range of 159 miles. The R1T has a 135 kWh battery pack so 1.18 x 135 kWh = 159 miles.
It would be nice if the entire pack was usable but 125 kWh is usable if that pack so that’s how I arrived with my numbers. Thanks
@@AllElectricFamily Ok I thought the 135kWh was usable. Searching around I see that finding the official usable number is a bit difficult. I see some places claiming the usable is actually 128.9 kWh. 🤷♂️
Yea, I hear ya, it suck for towing any distance
Going 55 MPH on the Interstate is almost dangerous going that slow.
In several states that is the highest speed someone towing a trailer can go.
🤣 Call when your battery dies.🤣
You forgot to leave your number….
So 1 hr for the last 10 or 5 percent with a fast charger. Whats the real world charge times.. cost at the station. How long to charge the first 80 percent. 45 min. 1.5 hrs..also I dont think of heat or cold or wind into my towing. There is no excuse.. you hook up and take off camping for the week or long weekend. You don't care about any if that. You load up full up and I go about 300 miles with my 2500 ram cummins at 70 75.. fill up in about 10 min and get some coffee n food bathroom and in the road maybe 15 min tops.. I have no problems with eletric motors they have been around for decades. On mixers equipment and anything else except they have constant electric feeding them from a 240v.. but for tow or work trucks... nope not for many of us..
You just need a way for the wheels on the camper to generate electricity to generate power to charge while you drive
It would be nice. Airstream has a concept out there…but it’s too small for our family.
Wrong it won’t work and will make the camper heavier those making less efficient. It might work downhill only
They currently make a trailer with a battery pack…it’s only $285,000 extra and smaller than this trailer
300 plus miles per tank pulling a 35 ft travel trailer with my Duramax, I'll pass on the EV.
They are going to have to pry my ICE Chevy from my cold, dead hands. Electric is sooooo overrated and many many years from being practical for overlanders and people who don't want to plan their trips around charging stations and long waits. Time is money and gas is way cheaper than the car payment on something like this. Also my city burns coal to power these green vehicles, so they aren't that green IMO with the batteries and environmental impact down the road. My 20 year old Chevy looks better everyday and is better than new based on what I'm seeing on modern trucks.
Towing with a Tesla???
We did with our Model X!
You call that a success? Omg that's terrible. I use my truck to pick up 200km away on average.
Glad you figured out it doesn't work for you.
Thanks a ton for convincing me EV's are no where near ready for road trips, ESPE
CIALLY Towing. I NEVER Worried about "Gusts" when driving before... this is a waste.
"So for those people like me (A dumbass) 100 miles is doable"... That's a trip???
She's a dunce, he's a tool.
Welcome to Pathetecism.
I know it looks like a truck, but it's kind of useless if it can only tow for 120-140 miles. It could take weeks to take a long trip. Why would you waste your $ on such a vehicle? If you want to tow, get a real truck. And there is no hard data to show electric vehicles produce less carbon (manufacturing and vehicle life cycle). Electricity is made by burning fossil fuels, no way around it yet.
What a fail lol
It only can go 73 miles, that’s not very much
On a 100% charge it would be over 140, we didn't charge to 100% for this video because we knew we wouldn't need it and charging to 100% all the time isn't great for the battery.
I wonder how far the range will be with the max pack.
It’s not practical for towing…it’s actually useless unless you’re camping 50 miles away and camp next to a charger…
Depends on how you like to travel. For us, it works great…in fact we prefer it over gas vehicles since we are forced to slow down. Stopping to charge has taken us to places we never would have visited had it not been for our need to charge. So it’s all just a matter of personal preference.
@@AllElectricFamily Excellent response! Thank you!
Useless, absolutely useless. Electric is strictly a grocery getter in town. I'll take a Dodge Ram Diesel to do my towing. Period!
Well next time you want a grocery getter you know what to buy.
140 miles!! Ahahahahaha! POS! This thing is for hipsters to go glamping behind the mini -mall!
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147 mi...on a full tank of charge.....😂😂👎
It’s not going to be for everyone. But thanks for watching!
@@AllElectricFamily Not for anyone that tows period....
@@johnmills837 not everyone wants to pay stupid gas prices and kill the environment either.
🤦🏻♂️
@@DaxM So what. Humans aren't killing the environment by using petrol. The Sun is, solar forcing on a weak Earth's magnetic field is causing weather anomaly's
@@johnmills837 wow.