Towing with a Tesla Model 3? Are We Crazy!? Testing the Range and Power While Towing an Airstream
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- We met up with Andy from Can-Am RV Centre in London, On to see exactly how he setup his Tesla Model 3 to tow a 26-foot Airstream.
Can-Am RV Centre Website: www.canamrv.ca/
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Hey folks! Have a question about range, legality, insurance or charging? Then watch our followup interview with Andy where we ask him all those questions for you - ruclips.net/video/jB-olOdQVik/видео.html
Can you redo the experiment using a 2022 American made Tesla Model 3? I want to haul a trailer too but I heard the newer model 3 has been upgraded with a different battery called the 4680 battery among other upgrades.
Want to see if this video is still accurate with all the new goodies.
Locomotives actually use electric motors to pull huge loads. It’s a hybrid system that uses a Diesel engine to generate the electricity. This should tell you something about what electric vehicles are capable of.
WW2 Elefant tank destroyers were also powered by electric motors and a generator : p
Electro motor can provide huge torque at low speed which is not possible for an ICE without gearboxes. So use electro motor to tow heavy loads reduce the chance of incident and the cost for maintenance, thanks to the simplified mechanical structures.
Ya I work of union pacific railroad and I had no clue that the electric powered all of the loads until I got into training.
now telsas just need diesel engines to make them hybrids
It's not about electric motor but the battery.
Andy is the "Hitch Guru". I've purchased 3 30' Airstreams from Andy over the years; pulling them all with Mercedes ML's. Customers come from all over North America to have their hitches dialled in. He's a Canadian national treasure.
I love towing with Andy. I learn so much each time - Stephen
Ron Feinberg- Andy's crew set up my 2009 VW Tiguan to tow my 2004 16' Airstream Bambi International CCD. It was the nicest rig to drive that I've ever had. Can Am really knows their stuff as you say! I drove 500 miles one way to get it done but it was the best towing investment I ever made.
@@pedalmike Does Andy just have one location? any place in the US?
@@EarlBalentine -it's just the one location in London, Ontario....however Andy has been willing to consult with customers over the phone with specific advice for your rig to enable a shop local to you to do the work.
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This makes me more excited for my Cybertruck. Tesla’s are dreamy!
Why are they dreamy? Because you can’t do an oil change? 😅
@@advancedscarecrow uh they don’t need oil changes? Because they’re electric?
Duh I was implying that he’s lazy to oil change and that he’s exited to not change oil or something to that extent 😂
Losing your roof while you're driving is hella dreamy 😂
@@advancedscarecrow smh, but gas cars need way more maintenance and it cost a lot.
I had this very fun idea which I really want to do when I get older and have my own property for second vehicle I'm planning to have a model 3 or a model y long range and I want to make from scratch a solar powered camper so when you're camping out it would be self-sustaining and you could also charge your car as well even if the Tesla runs out and you're like in the middle of nowhere just can't be on the side of the road it will be fine I gave myself this idea by talking to my brother about making a solar powered shed for electric lawn equipment
I'm not happy about losing a bit of that wonderful storage space in the trunk, but to be able to tow 6000 LBS is something I didn't think would be possible with a Model 3.
Nice work!
I'm glad you talked about the increased efficiency of the m3 motors over the mx motors because people are trying to compare what the CT will be able to do based on what they've seen with mx. There's a lot more to consider, efficiency, weight, cog, to name a few.
Can’t wait to see your reviews when the Tesla truck comes out
Great Job!
Impressive show, I'm not a towing guy but this was interesting to say the least. The Model 3 certainly is a more capable car than some people are giving it credit for. Only goes to show that with professional insight and know-how even unthinkable things are possible.
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This was the last box the model 3 had to check for me. Great video thanks guys!
Super rad video!!! Would love to get Andy to set this up on my rig.
Wow! I thought I’d have to wait for the Cybertruck. I should do this for my model S. Even though I hate to ruin the aesthetics of that vehicle.
Yes
I tow a small pop up with our Model 3. I average about 420-450 wh/mi cruising on the highway. What is your consumption like while cruising on the highway?
That doesn't sound too bad. Thanks for the data.
So nice coming down hills not burning brakes + recharging
What were the kWh while towing 55mph
what's the range impact . that's the key question I'd like to get a straight answer. thanks!
Andy says that he gets 100 miles / 160 km on a charge towing that 6,000 lb trailer - straight.
@@TruckKing To add to that, a full charge on a Tesla Supercharger, depending on if it's a version 2 or version 3, can be between 30 minutes and 50 minutes. Would be great to tow with a larger battery, maybe the Cybertruck will do a better job at this when it releases, would be interesting to see a video on that beast, maybe you'd see around 250 to 300 miles per charge as it does 500+ on one charge without a trailer. :)
(The above times assume you're charging to full, not just to 75% like you would when driving without a trailer. Electric cars charge very slow past 80% so most owners only charge to 75% to save time on their journeys, usually that's only a 15 minute stop! More stops but less overall time!)
I love it when you add metrics for the rest of the world.
What does Tesla think of this? Does it invalidate your warranty? And what about your car insurance, what do they think about people welding hitches onto the structural components of the car?
If the load you tow is larger than the vehicle allowed towing capacity and that is the reason that the motor f.ex. gets damaged then yes. You can bet your tushy that Tesla wont pay you a dime in repairs. As for insurance the answer is clear. Insurance will not cover you in case of an accident. That is the law. Everyone on the net can tell you ''it is fine just buy buy buy'' but it is your money, your safety and your life that is at the stake so choose wisely.
this is amazing! i am so glad I got to see this video. I was wondering if my Tesla M3 performance would be able to tow the smaller Airstream Bambi. Now I know it can,,, I have to do a lot more research into how to properly add the tow bar/hitch
This is insane, can we get some videos of a towing uphill and downhill?
There has been so much interest in this video that we are doing a follow-up with Andy soon.
That Tesla Model 3 you’re using in the video is towing a full sized 6000 pound Air stream trailer! WOW 👁👄👁
Did regenerative breaking mess with the breaks of the trailer?? My trailer tripping on me
Most of Europe is towing with Cars and small SUV, and not Trucks. Trailers are build differently in Europe - at lot less tongue weight. My 2 horse trailer in the North-American has like 250-300 kg on the hitch - in EU a trailer of similar size and weight has only 50kg on the ball. There is only 4% of the trailer weight required on the hitch. Many trailers on this side of the pond are running 20% of the total weight on the tongue, which is unnecessary.
The trailer design in the USA is different and requires between 10 and 20% of the weight on the tongue to prevent sway at even low speeds. The trailers in Europe have aligned axles like the front of a car and thus wanting to go straight without the extreme tongue weight needed in the US. The concern with this example on the Model 3 is that they use a weight dist hitch which you can not use on unibody cars. These hitches are designed to be used on trucks and SUV's with a full frame.
@@RMTFamily thanks, that is interesting. By aligned trailer axle you mean - camber caster, toe in etc.? I know that a little more toe in gives you greater stability. Since trailer axle are often solid -they have no toe in - they are neutral. You mean that the EU axles are curved?
@@sebastiant5695 Actually a lot of trailers in Europe do not have a solid axle going all the way across from one side to the other. Most are just stumps about 15" or so long, that stump is bolted to the frame and it is basically a rubber torsion axle. Eliminating a leaf spring which can cause a lot of alignment issues. Many years ago I used to own a "Brenderup" 2 horse trailer. This is a design from Europe and the chassis was imported from there. It towed great behind a Ford Explorer Sport, a Mitsubishi Montero Sport and even towed it with a 1980's Toyota 2WD Pick-up. The tongue weight was around 150lbs. Did not need a weight dist hitch or a sway control. Some of the longer travel trailers in Europe might require a sway control.
@@sebastiant5695 Yes, camber caster is key as these make your steering wheel go back to straight on a properly aligned car.
@@RMTFamily yes torsion axles are great. I had those at my Germany trailer, but I also got them on my current US build Hawk trailer - but this axle is a solid square pipe going under the trailer. Those are the same axles as Airstream uses I got told.
Wow. Impressive.
Outrageous!!
After getting over my initial reaction, I'd ask do you have to unhook from the trailer at the tesla supercharger? I don't think there's room at these superchargers for both model 3 and travel trailer.
It varies, Andy told us that he often was able to pull around the back of the chargers and still reach.
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Did I miss the wh/mi figure at highway speeds? That will give you range for your trip using EV trip planners like abetterrouteplanner.com I wasn't able to see the figures on the graph at about 10:35
They conveniently avoided the sore subject of range because it is dismal. Over 10,000 lbs. gross here and coefficient of drag is much greater. You could travel at 50 mph but who wants to do that. Maybe Tesla could make travel trailers that come with another 100 kwh battery in them (lol). Towing a fold down or crank down trailer makes much more sense than that Airstream.
Wow impressed ! I got a model 3 dual motor I’m definitely doing something like this in the future
Who set the tow hitch up in there? Is that custom or is that from tesla? Where can I get that same setup in a model Y in Milwaukee Wisconsin
That was amazing!
Have my Cybertruck ordered and Andy will be my first stop.To buy and set up my trailer.
"I poke along at 90 kph" lol backing up traffic to the next province lol
My suspicion is that if you get in an accident and your insurance figures out that you have exceeded the GVWR, you will be paying out of pocket.
Sure, you can tow more than the rating, but the rating is there for a reason, and it protects your insurance company, as a side benefit.
100 mile range is not good.
Why can't I save this vid to refer to later? Is that a setting by the publisher? I've never seen or noticed a vid I could not save on RUclips before. Would like to save as a reference.
Never mind! So many options I had to scroll right. That was new
I still don't trust EV vehicles. But I am highly interested in how the hitch set up in these vehicles are done. Thank you for demonstrating it
Thank you so much for this incredible video. I look forward to towing with the Cybertruck
So how far can you go on a single charge. I heard an estimate of 100 mi; but don't recall hearing the results of your test.
That's what Andy said he got while towing that 6K trailer
@@TruckKing Thanks. Great video. Absolutely amazing
The trailer should have a second battery which would connect with the car. That would balance back the range loss.
Have a 2020 Model Y 2 motor AWD, LR battery and a factory hitch pulling a Tab 320 Teardrop trailer. 1,800 dry weight 14 feet long. Getting about an average of 120 miles on a full charge. Travel at 55 mph most of the time. 300 miles per day is doable. Only concern is several Superchargers don’t have pullin stalls so have to parallel several of them to get charge port close enough. Only other option is to unhook (a pain if done every time). Most Tesla owners will move to a backin stall to let us use their pullin. Would be appreciated if they would not use a puliin If a backin one is available. No problem in a rural or small population area as Supercharger stations are rarely full. But is dicey in metropolitan areas of high density of Teslas (SF, LA etc). Planning a multi month, circumnavigation of the continental contiguous US border states (over 15,000 miles). Love the rig and comfortable to drive. Tesla owners are nice folks. Wish us luck.
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I wonder what JD from Big Truck Big Trailer would think about this.
Towing a trailer that weighs more than the car? And 3 times the towing limit if the car too?
wow thank you- super interesting and helpful! WHere can I buy that towing attachment for the model 3? could. you include a link to buy it? thank you
Being able to tow is one thing. Accident in front of you and you’ve got to stop fast. Nope you won’t. Too many people on the road towing trailers they shouldn’t be. This video is telling people the wrong thing. Safety is #1.
Did they tell you that the airstream has nothing in it and the pictures they show you this before they hooked it up to the car
I also tow with a sedan, and find this to be misleading.
I tow a 16' Scamp with a Cadillac ATS. A much more suitable pairing in my opinion, but I digress.
The experts at Can-Am RV have failed to put even an ounce in the trunk or back seat area because it would certainly exceed the GVWR of the car and probably overload the tires. I can only surmise the Tesla is level because of air-springs?
I don’t believe the model 3 has the option for an air suspension.
It's level due to the torsion bars on the equillizer hitch.
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Since this is towing well above what Tesla rates (or doesn’t rate), what is the long term effect on the motors and suspension components, even the structure of the car? Sorry, I prefer a truck.
Everything in a Tesla is over engineered, for better or for worse. In this case the body is extremely solid and the drivetrain is rated for 1 million miles of use except for the battery which is only rated at 500k miles! Tesla understates so the car is more than capable, look out for the cybertruck!
Time will tell, no cars have that mileage. These cars are not rated for towing, which was my point...what effect will that have? Obviously the motors will see a lot more heat than normal, and the battery will need to be charged much more frequently. At 500k miles, a Tesla battery would probably have a maximum range of 50 miles or less.
@@tylermacconnell217 nope, 500k miles is when the battery will have more than 80% capacity left. So the updated model 3 with 353 miles new, will have a range of about 282 per charge after 500k miles. Which is more than the SR+ version today! Also that’s about 1500 charge cycles. Tesla’s also have a beast of a cooling system, so heat is not an issue! Model 3 isn’t meant for towing 6000lbs anyways yet it excels at it, Cybertruck will be much much better and it rated for 14,000 lbs!
Get the cybertruck
How do you know you prefer the truck? Have you tried towing with a Tesla? Or do you prefer to make uneducated guesses?
I wish Tesla still offers the light silver color, this would have been the perfect combination.
That’s the color of my model S. Love it.
I agree, I will order a X in silver as soon as it comes out with the new 46/80 batteries and silver to match my AS.
Great video guys.
It looks amazing.
Is this a completely custom hitch made by Can-Am RV? What about using the weight dist hitch on what is basically a unibody car?
It's custom. Call Andy and ask him.
Wow!
Im about to get a hitch for my AWD long range M3 Tesla which one is that in your demo and where can I purchase?
I'm a little disappointed. I wanted to see you at the Supercharger with that rig. I'm assuming you were near Kingston at 60km range left. That's awfully low. I would feel pretty anxious, especially with Andy remarking that the indicator is accurate.
It was just the projected range based on the last 10km. If you look at the battery state of charge, it's somewhere around one third and the range is in 3-digit numbers.
At 100 miles of range, you should just about always be able to reach a Tesla Supercharger.
@@rickhall7955 Much less. 100 km is only 60 mi. 60 km isn't much at all.
Need to show how to charge with trailer attached. Need to back in to most chargers.
Manufacturers set the Gross Axle Weight Rating based on requirements set by
Transport Canada.
This setup adds exactly 100 pounds to each tire. Less than four full size adults would in this car.
@@TruckKing Oh BS. So you are running with 400 pounds of hitch weight on a 6000 pound camper? Put it on the scales ready to camp, that thing is 800 pounds or more on the tongue.
Please share how this affected your range. I have a Model Y on order and am planning to tow my 20’ jetboat with it.
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And how do you make this legal? If the car is not rated for towing?
Was hoping for a 0-100kmh pull!
So did you get it to the shops and back
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I’m guessing you would have to find a place to drop that long trailer while you are charging
Do you have to unhook at supercharger stations?
how does it handle braking with all that weight?
fine - trailer has brakes too
Any modern sedan is powerful enough to pull 6000lb but can their unibody structure withstand pulling that weight without bending. Is Tesla using some sort of special high strength steel in their subframe that other manufacturers don't?
Why the regen is disabled ?
Cant on this car. Setting was on high.
You pulled 6000 pounds with a model 3, what can you do for the Y?
Brilliant!
Cost to modify trailer hitch?
If you watch the second Tesla video Andy give you his contact info. Call and ask him.
Good luck finding a charging station you can use while hooked up to the trailer.
Did this void your Tesla warranty? I image it would have.
How much was the range reduced while towing? 50%?
Who knew Tory Bruno worked at a RV place in Canada? Crazy.
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Can you do a video on towing with a 2019 chevy trax?
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Aren’t WD hitches a bad idea on a unibody?
Well? What was the range?
Andy explains that in the second video - have a look.
Would love to set up my model 3 this way. Any recommendations for installers ? ( Midwest US)
Sorry, we only know Andy - you might call him for a recommendation.
So did I hear right that the trailer was 6000 lbs and Model 3 was rated to 5000? Thus was it not illegal?
Model Y is only rated to 3500lbs. Model 3 is not really intended for towing.
When you're doing anything in life do you constantly think "is it legal"
@@ChurchInAshes I think about and consider is the action I am undertaking safe for my family and other people around me.
Awesome. But remember, the more efficient a car is, the more impact towing has on range.
Yep the tow range is pointless here. It's just to move things across town. Don't bother trying to road trip in this setup.
@@Neojhun Well, you just need to charge more often. There is couple that drove across Canada (Tesla X Canada, ruclips.net/channel/UCc165Q7JW2_4fofx7VaRL7w) at a time when there were essentially no superchargers. There is a difference between "inconvenient" and "impossible".
@@ekhaat i don’t see the point in buying a vehicle knowing it will be much more inconvenient than others but thats just me.
i agree its not impossible it would just get annoying in places where chargers can be 100+ miles apart.
@@yomomma1459 It is clear then that you have not had the pleasure of driving an EV yet. It is not without reason almost all EV-owners say "Never again ICE". You people seem to really hate to go to the gas station, wanting cars that go longer and longer on a tank.
You know, we never have to go to a gas station and stand there waiting while toxic fluid is filling the tank. But hey, if that's what you want. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink.
@@ekhaat no. ill admit i have not driven one but all my friends that bought EVs sold them and said never again. they all went back to gas/diesel and don’t plan on buying electric ever again.
my man its gonna be very impractical to tow thousands of pounds long distance regularly in an EV when they lose 50% to 75% of the battery range towing. i buy ICE vehicles because i tow heavy shit long distances regularly and currently EV technology is just not there for towing long distance.
im hopeful for the future of EVs i would like to own one eventually but right now they just don’t work well for how i drive and tow. i don’t dislike EVs they just don’t have the features i need.
also my current vehicle can easily go 500 miles on a single tank and one of my huge problems is how often i would need to charge. the best electric trucks do not have anywhere near the range of my ICE vehicle and i doubt charging your EV takes 5 minutes like it does to completely refill an ICE car.
i am looking forward to see how EV technology gets better but right now thats just not for me.
Crazy!
Well, there goes your warranty! Also illegal. Also if you get in an accident your insurance won't cover it.
So, what's the T3 range with that trailer on the back once on a highway with let's say 90%+ charge left?
Andy said on the highway at 90 km-h he got around 160 km with the 6K trailer
@@TruckKing I missed that! Thanks!
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the model 3 has a 2000 lb towing capacity so is a good idea to tow 6000 lbs
I want to get a Cybertruck, problem is I have a Ford F350 dually with an 8' box for my camper. That triangle shape of the Cybertruck ruins it for me. Oh well, looks like I am stuck with an oil burner for a while. Cheers.
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So you can tow an 8k generator to keep it charged ! Cool!
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Very impressive. Is there anything that Tesla’s can’t do?
Crazy, I did a similar video yesterday (only german language, sorry) 😜👍🏻😎
Something something gcwr, something something gvwr.
So if I understand correctly orrectly you are 2000 Lb over the towing capacity of the vehicle.
Not cool.
1000 watt hr per mile
Yes very impressive but that is a Tesla bottom end mid-range. What about the bottom end electric cars like Nissan leaf and below
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Why don't you just tow a freight train while you're at it?....about as realistic. Nobody in their right mind would use a compact car...of ANY brand....to tow a camper trailer of that size. I love Tesla's.....but this isn't what they are made to do.
Never imagine that a model 3 can tow a big trailer like this. impressive!
Who would of thought ?
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Who would've thought?
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Locomotive Engineers.
I drove 4 hours to get my rig set up from CAN AM RV, let me tell you, what a god sent transformation, these guys are scientists. I went from trailer wobble to driving one finger in a wind storm. Warm friendly service and Andy himself takes you on a run after they're done and answers all of your questions. My Mercedes R350 hitch always kept coming lose, they reworked it, added steel and made her permanent. Great place.
Wow, that setup is insane. Thought this was gonna be vlickbait. Loved your Canadian touch on TFL, didn't know you split but looks like you have a pretty good channel going here!
so crazy to see a Model 3 towing a big travel trailer like that!
"EVs Won't Tow your Trailer. It's not going to Tow your Boat" Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison. Just shows how politicians only look at things in a political sense and very rarely in reality.
Yeah, well, he's rarely right about anything including how renewable energy will cost Aussie jobs, make a huge dent in the country's finances and, most importantly, climate change realities. Climate change damage to the Great Barrier Reef will cause massive job losses in the Aussie tourist, hospitality and fishing industries which is worth billions; "but hey, that's perfectly okay so long as me & my mates can keep in with our best buddies in the coal industrial complex - they do fund our political campaigns after all."
BTW, was just using the Reef as one example. Many more in Australia.
@@pinkelephants1421 the irony is that it will actually create thousands of 'green collar' jobs in the industry instead.
I'd rather be involved in a role maintaining a turbine than a giant stinking gas plant.
@@Stewiedude1 My guess is that you're far from alone in that. I've long thought that the Nullarbor Desert could represent a huge opportunity for solar power generation. There's bugger all out there, it's vast, and unless I've completely got the wrong end of the stick, no environmental reason not to do so. How it might equate to energy exports I couldn't say but I'd bet there's someone who could & very profitably too.
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You also get an improved ecosystem under the panels. opportunity for growing.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Not in the Nullarbor. It's *so* desolate that even the extremely clever and resourceful aboriginal people never bothered with it because they knew it just wasn't survivable. Even snakes and lizards are few and far between out there.
Wow! Really impressive to see these things move. It is pulling well over its limit and still manages to pull with no effort
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We own a Tesla Model Y and a 22ft airstream. It tows great. We have a reservation for a Tesla truck but this is working for now. Looking forward to having more storage room with the truck. But the length will be longer if we upgrade to a truck and I’m not 100% positive we want to do that. Sometimes getting into the superchargers with our set up now can be a little tight. If we add length with the truck we might end up having to unhitch at the superchargers. We just started our RUclips channel.
I have the Tesla Y Performance & I was told the towing capacity was 3500lbs., can it actually tow more?
@@harrygoldsmith5527NO, legally it can only tow 3,500lbs. I have a model y and towed a 3,500 lb trailer last summer and it was awesome. I’m not sure how these people at can am is legally changing weight ratings!
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Awesome video! I’ve been waiting for proof that a model 3 can tow a small trailer....and here’s proof that it can tow what I call a huge trailer! Model 3 can be ordered with a hitch in Europe but not here. Why? Did you have any issues with Tesla software sensing a trailer or exceptional weight? Tesla sends data back to HQ...have you had any enquires from Tesla as to your “efficiency problems” as the software might consider it?
Love it that truck guys are embracing electric transport. Guess the Cybertruck will be a game changer!