Certainly the biggest turn off for me was the levelling experience. I am typically a casual player but have been raiding the previous two phases, so i put a lot of stock in the levelling experience and the different brackets and zones. I’m still playing, but i just had to personally opt out of the incursions because i think it would cause me to get bored at the endgame too quickly.
I agree SoD PvP kinda sucks right now, I’m still going to play SoD but I might be playing some vanilla and possibly cata Prepatch a little bit, if I play cata I really only plan on playing season 1 though
Preach it dude!!! Vanilla wasn’t created to min/max everything. Even the creators back in the day we’re just regular dudes/nerds that made a game that even they would want. They put their imagination into a video game and that’s why vanilla is so great.
Its like they removed weaknesses of casters like, giving priests disperse, mages heals, hunters melee dmg.. meanwhile pally is still kited by every class in the game
Bro, Paladins are so strong... 60 will be even better. You can actually make Shockadin work. So many complaining because you don't get to be OP like you were during 25.... Jesus
i predict SoD lvl 60 pvp will be really bad, and anyone that cares about pvp will just go to cata or back to classic era vanilla and SoD will only have a end game raiding scene but ill keep hoping i guess idk lol
it doesnt help that characters are not permanent. why farm rep or gear that will only have lasting effect for 3-4weeks? just give us a permanent phase that gets updates. that is what we wanted - a classic+. not seasons... fk that shit
I just can’t relate. If it felt off doing incursions why did you do them? I wanted to have a chill time questing and doing a couple dungeons and it’s been fun so far. Definitely the vanilla experience I wanted.
I just felt like I had to lvl with incursions to not feel left behind in the leveling process, I guess I didn’t have to do them but I would’ve leveled a lot slower, I’m also more of a pvp player, so when the pvp feels bad it just loses me, there’s literally no point in playing melee classes in SoD pvp right now outside of enhancement shaman and maybe melee hunter and rogue barely, and i personally hate casters, I hate SoD pvp right now.
@@StevenBonez I can understand the pvp gripes for sure; it's way too easy to get absolutely exploded. I personally don't mind taking extra time to level, but I understand that many players have to be max level during the first lockout. My sweaty wow time is over haha I do think though that the devs are listening more than ever and will likely take the feedback on P3. Cheers!
Blizzard killed phase 3 dead world,dead bgs beacuse then caused mass inflation with letting players keep the 1000g they made from incursions.Blizzard made the raid boss so hard players started to have to ling gnomer logs.....blizzard may have killed sod because of phase 3. the only good thing about phase 3 is the leveling is fast even after the incursion nerfs.
P3 got me out so fast. The economy is fucked, the leveling is fucked, i was enjoying SoD so far but cant fathom the incursion thingy. Nobody wants to do a dungeon, everyone is just spamming that, and if youre not, then youre out and not even gettin the same amount of gold :/ Totally a flop for me
I stopped during phase one because I felt the game was closer to late Wrath and Retail than Classic and had a feeling it would only get worse. But I'm not complaining because I see the community wanted this so I went back to Era where I'm happier.
the dungeon grind to dust? you mean the dungeons that don't offer replacements for every class and all their gear? Use your head. Most people don't want to spend days leveling. Especially when everything is just phases atm
I had no clue why they decided to do the incursions.. that was such a weird thing and not true to classic at all.. I don't want the full classic experience but I didn't want a retail blast through the levels experience. I was looking foward to pvp and man it feels awful especially as aff lock.. my dots do nothing because I'm getting 2-3 shot or who i have dotted is 2-3 shot. I realized I would have to play demo or destro to be somewhat viable... it just does not feel good and I was looking forward to pvping. ZF today was really easy with a pug for the most part.. did 6/8 with only 2-3 wipes.. I just finished it and theres not a lot more to do but do some old raids for gear since i game into phase 2 super late and hit 40 the day before p3..as of right now im thinking of goofing off in Wrath classic or even trying retail again for the first time in many years but I hear thats awful too...
yea SoD feels weird right now too, the pacing just felt weird leveling, and the gearing is weird this phase too, its not perfect but idk we will see, i just the pvp the get better but I dont think it will overall
@@StevenBonez It seems it wont get better either.. the game feels bursty in 1v1 situations let alone group play when 2-3 jump on you. Since the game is based around large group its just zerging players with no outplaying, no classes playing to their strong suites.. feels awful.
Phase 3 is bad. They made so many mistakes that I can't image any of the devs actually play the game, and it sad. P1 and 2 I was starting to get a bit of hope for the rest of the season. They destroyed all that with phase 3.
From a pve standpoint it’s perfectly fine, I just feel like they have done too much to the classes in SoD and pvp is atrocious, which is the main reason I play wow to begin with
@@carykious4245 lol it is classic + what are you talking about? You can't create classic + without delving into retail like features. Want new bosses to fight? New spells? New things to do? New PVP zones? New crafting stuff? How do you expect to do all this without delving into "retail lite"? What is classic + to you? Because so far, this is classic +. It may not be the classic + YOU specifically wanted, but for others this is it.
@@FlowersInAlaska my idea of classic + is actual vanilla with new raids, very few class changes, just get some of the meme specs to not go oom as often, give them maybe 3 new abilities at most, most other classes that actually perform half decent don’t even touch them, add horizontal progression so there’s very little power creep after naxx, just add new set bonuses that do cool stuff to shake up the meta and send it, SoD added way too much, and as a pvp player it doesn’t feel like classic + this is retail lite
I enjoy difficult raids in retail and Wotlk. But i do not enjoy difficult raids in SoD. I just want to zug zug bosses and get loot. I want to goof off with meme specs. I don't want to spend hours wiping in pugs. I enjoy the mechanics, but the bosses don't have to be so overtuned.
tbh phase 3 feels wonky, emerald incursion feels like playing retail, i play shammy and warrior and the new runes feel cooler than phase 2. ST raid is overturned but duable with decent players(even before the nerfs). parsing is ruining the overall experience especially for newer players, i brought 2 friends that played back in phase 1 and did BFD but every raid asks for gnome parses like we are racing for world first clear, ofcourse no one wants to play with bad players but doing gnome for entire of phase 2 just to have good parses for phase 3 and onwards for next phases i more of the community issue and how the sweaty players came to wow classic thinking its a job.
How is ST overtuned though? They nerfed it to the ground, it's way too easy now imo. First 6 bosses are free and last 2 are no stress if people communicate a little
Regarding pvp It kinda feels at this point it is no longer a problem which can be fixed. They simply had no idea or interest in balancing this aspect of the game, and they ended up giving some classes WAAAAY too much fire-power. I'm only playing this game for PVP so I think it's time for me to unsubscribe :( Also rolling a warrior and a paladin (LOL) which are my favourite 2 classes has been a pain in PvP. Phase 1 for me so far has been the best. It still had some vanilla wow vibe with some extra stuff. At this point SoD is just so different.....
The combat went from a very fast chess battle(Vanilla) to a whackamole retail parser e_peen(sod), so sad the developers are bringing the game to retail and a very bad instance of it. Everything is so trivial. Paid beta indeed.
Certainly the biggest turn off for me was the levelling experience. I am typically a casual player but have been raiding the previous two phases, so i put a lot of stock in the levelling experience and the different brackets and zones. I’m still playing, but i just had to personally opt out of the incursions because i think it would cause me to get bored at the endgame too quickly.
I haven’t been having fun with phase 3 so far, hopefully some changes are coming
It’s actually making me depressed because I enjoy pvp but what’s happening in sod isn’t fun
I agree SoD PvP kinda sucks right now, I’m still going to play SoD but I might be playing some vanilla and possibly cata Prepatch a little bit, if I play cata I really only plan on playing season 1 though
Preach it dude!!! Vanilla wasn’t created to min/max everything. Even the creators back in the day we’re just regular dudes/nerds that made a game that even they would want. They put their imagination into a video game and that’s why vanilla is so great.
got oneshotted for 5.5k by arcane mage
Mages have an I.K.I.L.L button every 2mins with Arcane Surge. But pals don't have Avenging Wrath. It's so fried
@@colton6806 That kill button, consumes all there mana and basically leaves them defenseless.... Wings nearly has zero cons.
@Tiex69 are you kidding?? Lmao poly + evocation.. mana gems. You can't even bubble after wings.. what do you mean no cons
Steve the goat
If you're a pally player, watch his videos.
Its like they removed weaknesses of casters like, giving priests disperse, mages heals, hunters melee dmg.. meanwhile pally is still kited by every class in the game
Bro, Paladins are so strong... 60 will be even better. You can actually make Shockadin work. So many complaining because you don't get to be OP like you were during 25.... Jesus
@Tiex69 Rets are so far behind other classes in SoD lol. Other than wars.. and not everyone wants to play shockadin.
Back to wotlk classic. So hype for cataclysm classic. Never thought I would be saying that. This phase just completely turned me off.
I am so hoping 60 phase in sod is the best in pvp
i predict SoD lvl 60 pvp will be really bad, and anyone that cares about pvp will just go to cata or back to classic era vanilla and SoD will only have a end game raiding scene but ill keep hoping i guess idk lol
it doesnt help that characters are not permanent.
why farm rep or gear that will only have lasting effect for 3-4weeks?
just give us a permanent phase that gets updates. that is what we wanted - a classic+. not seasons... fk that shit
you're being uneducated. acting like farming rep and gear is hard currently. Fuck off... lol
its permanent, when the season ends the characters will either go to a normal classic server or SoD TBC
Great content keep going brother
Thanks man, yea I don’t plan on stopping
I just can’t relate. If it felt off doing incursions why did you do them?
I wanted to have a chill time questing and doing a couple dungeons and it’s been fun so far. Definitely the vanilla experience I wanted.
I just felt like I had to lvl with incursions to not feel left behind in the leveling process, I guess I didn’t have to do them but I would’ve leveled a lot slower, I’m also more of a pvp player, so when the pvp feels bad it just loses me, there’s literally no point in playing melee classes in SoD pvp right now outside of enhancement shaman and maybe melee hunter and rogue barely, and i personally hate casters, I hate SoD pvp right now.
@@StevenBonez I can understand the pvp gripes for sure; it's way too easy to get absolutely exploded.
I personally don't mind taking extra time to level, but I understand that many players have to be max level during the first lockout.
My sweaty wow time is over haha
I do think though that the devs are listening more than ever and will likely take the feedback on P3.
Cheers!
Blizzard killed phase 3 dead world,dead bgs beacuse then caused mass inflation with letting players keep the 1000g they made from incursions.Blizzard made the raid boss so hard players started to have to ling gnomer logs.....blizzard may have killed sod because of phase 3.
the only good thing about phase 3 is the leveling is fast even after the incursion nerfs.
P3 got me out so fast. The economy is fucked, the leveling is fucked, i was enjoying SoD so far but cant fathom the incursion thingy. Nobody wants to do a dungeon, everyone is just spamming that, and if youre not, then youre out and not even gettin the same amount of gold :/ Totally a flop for me
I stopped during phase one because I felt the game was closer to late Wrath and Retail than Classic and had a feeling it would only get worse. But I'm not complaining because I see the community wanted this so I went back to Era where I'm happier.
real talk
I like p3 .. maybe also bcs its different than two phases before. I rly enjoyed every release of SoD on maximum.
Pve is fine, pvp is suffering, if you play a melee class you’re pretty much fucked if the other team is competent
we found the serial killer guys
Yes I unsubscribed 😢
:(
Its because its too easy to level up and gives you a whole set of gear for free, leaving the dungeon grind in the dust..
the dungeon grind to dust? you mean the dungeons that don't offer replacements for every class and all their gear? Use your head. Most people don't want to spend days leveling. Especially when everything is just phases atm
Players want flat dmg reduction until SL master channeler felguard lock becomes unkillable
Good point, idk what the right fix is but something’s gotta be fixed in sod lol
we only have 8-10 weeks with the phase, having the raid unclearable by pugs for 4-6 weeks is half the phase and sucks.
Great meta report on pvp, we still need 30% more health everywher
I had no clue why they decided to do the incursions.. that was such a weird thing and not true to classic at all.. I don't want the full classic experience but I didn't want a retail blast through the levels experience. I was looking foward to pvp and man it feels awful especially as aff lock.. my dots do nothing because I'm getting 2-3 shot or who i have dotted is 2-3 shot. I realized I would have to play demo or destro to be somewhat viable... it just does not feel good and I was looking forward to pvping. ZF today was really easy with a pug for the most part.. did 6/8 with only 2-3 wipes.. I just finished it and theres not a lot more to do but do some old raids for gear since i game into phase 2 super late and hit 40 the day before p3..as of right now im thinking of goofing off in Wrath classic or even trying retail again for the first time in many years but I hear thats awful too...
yea SoD feels weird right now too, the pacing just felt weird leveling, and the gearing is weird this phase too, its not perfect but idk we will see, i just the pvp the get better but I dont think it will overall
@@StevenBonez It seems it wont get better either.. the game feels bursty in 1v1 situations let alone group play when 2-3 jump on you. Since the game is based around large group its just zerging players with no outplaying, no classes playing to their strong suites.. feels awful.
@@BluuSkyz I agree, it feels bad
@@BluuSkyz it's also level 50... not 60. How about we stop the doom and glooming? or maybe you should just leave and not return?
@@Tiex69 so people are supposed to accept 6 months of phases because they can’t make PvP adjustments? D rider much? 🤣
Phase 3 is bad. They made so many mistakes that I can't image any of the devs actually play the game, and it sad. P1 and 2 I was starting to get a bit of hope for the rest of the season. They destroyed all that with phase 3.
This has been my fav phase launch so far ST is a much better raid than both gnomer and bfd
From a pve standpoint it’s perfectly fine, I just feel like they have done too much to the classes in SoD and pvp is atrocious, which is the main reason I play wow to begin with
SOD is retail lite and we are all falling for it now i am sad
SOD has always been retail 2.0 and that's a good thing. No one wants to play the same classic game anymore.
We want classic + not retail lite.
@@carykious4245 lol it is classic + what are you talking about? You can't create classic + without delving into retail like features.
Want new bosses to fight?
New spells?
New things to do?
New PVP zones?
New crafting stuff?
How do you expect to do all this without delving into "retail lite"?
What is classic + to you? Because so far, this is classic +. It may not be the classic + YOU specifically wanted, but for others this is it.
@@FlowersInAlaska my idea of classic + is actual vanilla with new raids, very few class changes, just get some of the meme specs to not go oom as often, give them maybe 3 new abilities at most, most other classes that actually perform half decent don’t even touch them, add horizontal progression so there’s very little power creep after naxx, just add new set bonuses that do cool stuff to shake up the meta and send it, SoD added way too much, and as a pvp player it doesn’t feel like classic + this is retail lite
I could care less about parsing I enjoy the PvP I wish they had more BG events like add a new BG or something would be cool
I enjoy difficult raids in retail and Wotlk. But i do not enjoy difficult raids in SoD. I just want to zug zug bosses and get loot. I want to goof off with meme specs. I don't want to spend hours wiping in pugs. I enjoy the mechanics, but the bosses don't have to be so overtuned.
Nobody forced you to level this way, you choosed to do it. Still enough people running dungeons and level in the open world
It doesn’t matter, if there is a faster way to level or do anything else people will do it, whether even they like it/want to or not.
@@joshw3719you didn’t get my comment…. 🥲🥲
That’s moron talk. The open world is dead, including dungeons, 🤡 If you’re playing wow… you’re doing the stupid ass incursion. You have no choice.
I already quit...wasted $15
tbh phase 3 feels wonky, emerald incursion feels like playing retail, i play shammy and warrior and the new runes feel cooler than phase 2.
ST raid is overturned but duable with decent players(even before the nerfs).
parsing is ruining the overall experience especially for newer players, i brought 2 friends that played back in phase 1 and did BFD but every raid asks for gnome parses like we are racing for world first clear, ofcourse no one wants to play with bad players but doing gnome for entire of phase 2 just to have good parses for phase 3 and onwards for next phases i more of the community issue and how the sweaty players came to wow classic thinking its a job.
How is ST overtuned though? They nerfed it to the ground, it's way too easy now imo. First 6 bosses are free and last 2 are no stress if people communicate a little
@@erikarnesen6052 Was talking about on release, yeah now its an easy 6/8 even with a dogshit pug
@@moonlighttv6810 Yeah I see, a few bosses were completely overtuned on release
shamans need a massive nerf, and several casters for pvp
Yea they need to make melee more in line with casters for sure.
Regarding pvp It kinda feels at this point it is no longer a problem which can be fixed.
They simply had no idea or interest in balancing this aspect of the game, and they ended up giving some classes WAAAAY too much fire-power. I'm only playing this game for PVP so I think it's time for me to unsubscribe :(
Also rolling a warrior and a paladin (LOL) which are my favourite 2 classes has been a pain in PvP. Phase 1 for me so far has been the best. It still had some vanilla wow vibe with some extra stuff. At this point SoD is just so different.....
yeah i didnt like incursions.
Cuz he missed out on the gold part lol but yeah it’s trash now
Phase 3 is pretty outstanding so far
Everything but the pvp is fine
Incursion trash, but i like the other content😊
I unsubbed and I'm having a better time playing league of legends....that's my sum up of SOD P3
The combat went from a very fast chess battle(Vanilla) to a whackamole retail parser e_peen(sod), so sad the developers are bringing the game to retail and a very bad instance of it. Everything is so trivial. Paid beta indeed.
to me phase 2 was off phase 3 is better haha
Everything is fine except the pvp, SoD pvp is some of the worse pvp I’ve ever played in all of wow
SOD is a flop, shit is so boring.
flop
u are all washed up 30 yo+ that burned out because you played sod p1 and p2 24/7... what did you expect...