Fantastic insight into a subject most of us know nothing about, so to hear proof of success in imprinting what most will tell you don’t do really is food for thought. Good to hear it from the horses mouth as they say. Thanks for sharing .
Easily the nicest most well balanced Harris' I have ever worked with was a creche reared male. He was a pleasure to work with and i flew him for 13 seasons, until his death.
He lived fast, and it was bound to happen sooner or later, I was just happy that I got to spend that long with him. There were a number of times over the previous seasons where I thought he was going to be a goner, unfortunately he tested his luck just once too often.
Great video and nice to hear an insight from David & the lads. I grew up flying parent reared Harris Hawks and always thought who could put up with a screaming imprint 🙉This video and certainly Alan puts a different twist on that. Putting the work in as the boys have is always key, and crucially getting them hunting quickly.
What's frowts? Had a look online but nothing comes up? Many thanks! Love the video and videos very informative 👌 Doing what I can to learn all I can before I commit to my 1st bird of prey! Cannot wait till the day comes I get my Harris'. Want to know all and as much as I can before I take the plunge 👍
Frounce is a disease found in birds , pigeons deffo have it a fair bit , I guess cause they flock. Often seen as cheesy deposits in mouth, tongue , throat . Infected birds stop eating and starve , if you’re hawk eats an Infected hawk it’s likely to catch it
@DAVE SHARPE: Nature Boy My spelling let me down there, thanks for the reply. Assuming it's essential getting to the quarry as soon as you can each time to check them over 👍
Brilliant video Dave and team. Yeah I remember the falconry forums well when I was starting out. There was abundant information on the forums after you filtered through the arguments. But to be honest I much prefer channels such as your own and David Rampling's for falconry advice and entertainment. I'm very interested in some more content of your and David's Chilean Blue Eagle. After 16 years of flying Red-Tailed hawks and recently acquiring more hunting permission (additional 1800 acres) here in Stirlingshire I'm now seriously thinking of flying a Chilean Blue in the next 2 years. What are your thoughts on hunting with these small eagles? Thanks.
It’s a video in my head on a que hehe! Very good and well worth it for something. Different, if you have the slopes and could Flush enough quarry they make awesome soaring birds . One lady ha hi red gates off the glove with some success but these birds are built to soar
Really interesting... it does seem that the Harris' Hawks, being 'genetically social', might be a good choice as a 'companion', rather like a hunting dog, bot a companion and a hunting partner? I wonder if one could, with the right time and place, have success with imprinting a pair of Harris' Hawks, so that they might be more accepting of other hawks? This would likely require a very dedicated falconer, with lots of time, and space, and no pesky neighbours ! Not exactly 'Apartment pets' !! Thanks for nice video, with a range of experiences.
Thanks again Dave another great video. This was very helpful. I do have a question you may be able to answer or possibly make a video out of. Do you have any ideas what the noises mean that Harris hawks make ?
Yes o k ow what mine says hehe. You’ll notice they have a little noise to say ‘ there’s some Thing hiding under here ‘ one to say ‘look out eagle/ coyote ‘ when they see a dog or microlight …. And angry growl , and so on
Thanks Kyle and Tom, an honest review of what you guys have done. Fantastic detailed explanation of how to hack and fly HH well. Totally get the benefits of hacking and serving plenty of quality slips. Would love to hear more on the difference as you see it between an imprint and PR bird. To be honest there seems to be lots of people who think they know about imprint HH. I would still side with the Coulson's in avoiding imprint HH. The bobble hat is a funny story, but also a classic example of how the imprint could easily cause injury even when there no intent. It would have been very unlikely to have happened with a PR bird. So PR to Imprint what do you gain?
Deffo not a choice for any novice or those not understanding Imprinting well ( as mentioned ) I think you gain a diffenrt bond and with imprints hunting wise you often get ‘more fire in the belly ‘ but I’m not the best to ask as when it comes to hunting birds I e always preferred parent reared ! I will say alan is a top level hh, but maybe with all the work the lads out into him he would be anyway? The Argument between imp and pr Comes down to only one thing ; personal choice and your enjoyment …
@@falconry.davesharpenatureboy The trouble is for some imprinting has become seen as a lazy option to avoid manning, and for 99% that try it with a HH will run into serious issues, even if they won't publicly admit it. Kyle and Tom are far more experienced and knowledgeable than the vast majority of Falconers out there, and they have put a massive amount of time and effort into the imprint HH. Probably more than they would have needed to with a PR bird. Would a well hacked and served PR HH end up as awesome as Tom's bird, clearly Kyle thinks not. But Zara has had a good season so far. My concern is do videos like this normalise the idea of imprinting HH. Even though we know that most people that try it, won't get it right. And then what happens to the unwanted aggressive/noisey HH for the next 25 off years. I would love to see a video from the Coulson's drawing on their massive experience giving their opinion on imprinting HH. Would make for a good balance on the subject.
The video as mentioned at the start has to be taken in context ,especially the bits re they’re not a beginners bird in any way . I do t think the coulsons lime them so probably have little experience of doing a good job of any , much like myself . Yeats ago breeders worked out that imprint and ai gosses were the east way to breed them, they then said to everyone fly imprints even a novice can etc etc they’re much easier … I disagree ! Hood imprints take good falconers not novices and even then you gotta want to fly an imorint , or like me in some cases it may be a bird that you can get imprinted or not at all …
Hh are quite prey driven . Expect Far more likely hood of one screaming a lot first couple years especially if imprinted and not hunted . If you don’t hunt you’ll need to o Or all about it as the bird will still kill stuff if it gets the chance
Great video, nice to hear that Alan was from Wayne he's a top bloke with some brilliant birds. I was lucky to get my female hh(parent reared) from Wayne and couldn't have asked for a better bird in terms of her success and drive at higher weights for being a parent reared bird. More videos like this one please dave maybe one on Imprinted vs parent reared accipiters?
Brilliant video.....I'm worried now as like Tommy, I think I don't have the time etc to keep a bird, but Kyle reckons that's the perfect candidate....might ger Kyle to email my wife lol....
Fantastic insight into a subject most of us know nothing about, so to hear proof of success in imprinting what most will tell you don’t do really is food for thought.
Good to hear it from the horses mouth as they say.
Thanks for sharing .
Super video with loads of food for thought. Thanks Dave.
Thanks for that input
Easily the nicest most well balanced Harris' I have ever worked with was a creche reared male. He was a pleasure to work with and i flew him for 13 seasons, until his death.
Sad to here it was cut short ; I know the feeling
He lived fast, and it was bound to happen sooner or later, I was just happy that I got to spend that long with him. There were a number of times over the previous seasons where I thought he was going to be a goner, unfortunately he tested his luck just once too often.
Great video and nice to hear an insight from David & the lads. I grew up flying parent reared Harris Hawks and always thought who could put up with a screaming imprint 🙉This video and certainly Alan puts a different twist on that. Putting the work in as the boys have is always key, and crucially getting them hunting quickly.
Yes I’d say more for the experienced and not for the novice fox sure
What's frowts? Had a look online but nothing comes up? Many thanks! Love the video and videos very informative 👌
Doing what I can to learn all I can before I commit to my 1st bird of prey! Cannot wait till the day comes I get my Harris'. Want to know all and as much as I can before I take the plunge 👍
Frounce is a disease found in birds , pigeons deffo have it a fair bit , I guess cause they flock. Often seen as cheesy deposits in mouth, tongue , throat . Infected birds stop eating and starve , if you’re hawk eats an Infected hawk it’s likely to catch it
@DAVE SHARPE: Nature Boy My spelling let me down there, thanks for the reply.
Assuming it's essential getting to the quarry as soon as you can each time to check them over 👍
Usually you can , it can be treated but you need to see it beifre they stop eating ideally!
Great video, regards from Mexico!
Thanks , how’s the falconry there ?
Brilliant video Dave and team. Yeah I remember the falconry forums well when I was starting out. There was abundant information on the forums after you filtered through the arguments. But to be honest I much prefer channels such as your own and David Rampling's for falconry advice and entertainment. I'm very interested in some more content of your and David's Chilean Blue Eagle. After 16 years of flying Red-Tailed hawks and recently acquiring more hunting permission (additional 1800 acres) here in Stirlingshire I'm now seriously thinking of flying a Chilean Blue in the next 2 years. What are your thoughts on hunting with these small eagles? Thanks.
It’s a video in my head on a que hehe!
Very good and well worth it for something. Different, if you have the slopes and could
Flush enough quarry they make awesome soaring birds . One lady ha hi red gates off the glove with some success but these birds are built to soar
Really interesting... it does seem that the Harris' Hawks, being 'genetically social', might be a good choice as a 'companion', rather like a hunting dog, bot a companion and a hunting partner? I wonder if one could, with the right time and place, have success with imprinting a pair of Harris' Hawks, so that they might be more accepting of other hawks? This would likely require a very dedicated falconer, with lots of time, and space, and no pesky neighbours ! Not exactly 'Apartment pets' !!
Thanks for nice video, with a range of experiences.
Yes alan was imprinted with his brother so recognises hh as kin too, I think…
Thanks again Dave another great video.
This was very helpful.
I do have a question you may be able to answer or possibly make a video out of.
Do you have any ideas what the noises mean that Harris hawks make ?
Yes o k ow what mine says hehe. You’ll notice they have a little noise to say ‘ there’s some
Thing hiding under here ‘ one to say ‘look out eagle/ coyote ‘ when they see a dog or microlight …. And angry growl , and so on
Thanks Kyle and Tom, an honest review of what you guys have done. Fantastic detailed explanation of how to hack and fly HH well. Totally get the benefits of hacking and serving plenty of quality slips. Would love to hear more on the difference as you see it between an imprint and PR bird.
To be honest there seems to be lots of people who think they know about imprint HH. I would still side with the Coulson's in avoiding imprint HH. The bobble hat is a funny story, but also a classic example of how the imprint could easily cause injury even when there no intent. It would have been very unlikely to have happened with a PR bird.
So PR to Imprint what do you gain?
Deffo not a choice for any novice or those not understanding Imprinting well ( as mentioned ) I think you gain a diffenrt bond and with imprints hunting wise you often get ‘more fire in the belly ‘ but I’m not the best to ask as when it comes to hunting birds I e always preferred parent reared !
I will say alan is a top level hh, but maybe with all the work the lads out into him he would be anyway?
The Argument between imp and pr Comes down to only one thing ; personal choice and your enjoyment …
@@falconry.davesharpenatureboy The trouble is for some imprinting has become seen as a lazy option to avoid manning, and for 99% that try it with a HH will run into serious issues, even if they won't publicly admit it.
Kyle and Tom are far more experienced and knowledgeable than the vast majority of Falconers out there, and they have put a massive amount of time and effort into the imprint HH. Probably more than they would have needed to with a PR bird.
Would a well hacked and served PR HH end up as awesome as Tom's bird, clearly Kyle thinks not. But Zara has had a good season so far.
My concern is do videos like this normalise the idea of imprinting HH. Even though we know that most people that try it, won't get it right. And then what happens to the unwanted aggressive/noisey HH for the next 25 off years. I would love to see a video from the Coulson's drawing on their massive experience giving their opinion on imprinting HH. Would make for a good balance on the subject.
The video as mentioned at the start has to be taken in context ,especially the bits re they’re not a beginners bird in any way . I do t think the coulsons lime them so probably have little experience of doing a good job of any , much like myself . Yeats ago breeders worked out that imprint and ai gosses were the east way to breed them, they then said to everyone fly imprints even a novice can etc etc they’re much easier … I disagree ! Hood imprints take good falconers not novices and even then you gotta want to fly an imorint , or like me in some cases it may be a bird that you can get imprinted or not at all …
Hi Dave another great video. A very interesting subject Also a great & honest article in the WOF
Ah cheer mate; the part two of that article will make you chuckle !
As someone who is incredibly interested in imprint harris hawks, would you have to have hunting ground as a would prefer not to hunt? Thank you :)
Hh are quite prey driven . Expect
Far more likely hood of one screaming a lot first couple years especially if imprinted and not hunted .
If you don’t hunt you’ll need to o
Or all about it as the bird will still kill stuff if it gets the chance
Griff i worked down barry hawking center RIP great man 🦅 its a shame his family closed it down there now
Our yellow billed kites came from there
@@falconry.davesharpenatureboy oh really i remember my good mate Colin Asquith worked there many years ago and Carlos did you ever meet them Dave
Great video, nice to hear that Alan was from Wayne he's a top bloke with some brilliant birds. I was lucky to get my female hh(parent reared) from Wayne and couldn't have asked for a better bird in terms of her success and drive at higher weights for being a parent reared bird. More videos like this one please dave maybe one on Imprinted vs parent reared accipiters?
Their all in my head ; but there’s a bit of a que ! More to come don’t worry
Brilliant video.....I'm worried now as like Tommy, I think I don't have the time etc to keep a bird, but Kyle reckons that's the perfect candidate....might ger Kyle to email my wife lol....
Erm… good luck hehehe