1991 朝の通勤ラッシュー Morning Tokyo Trains 910208
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- Morning Tokyo trains, all taken on the same morning as the famous "Sardine Run" video (including some of that too), mainly from 6:00 a.m. until 8:00 a.m. on the Seibu-Ikebukuro Line.
Lyle (Hiroshi) Saxon
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地元民です。子供の頃の失われていた景色が蘇りました…。当時カメラを持ってるだけで目立って、撮影が大変だったと思います。このような貴重な動画を撮影して下さって本当にありがとうございます。感謝しています。
当時は、会社にどうしても9:00までに行けなければならなかったので、缶詰の魚見たいになっても、ただ20分ぐらいので、とにかく会社に時間通りにつくと、OKですの感じ....
西武池袋線の所沢、ひばりヶ丘、石神井公園。この映像の頃と、今（2015年）とは大分風景が変わった。貴重な映像をありがとう。THANK YOU!
The Seibu Line with its yellow and gray stripe brings back so many memories! Indeed, the Seibu Line is characterized by its yellow and gray colors. Thank you for sharing this precious footage.
1991年あたり西武新宿線や西武池袋線を利用してたから、懐かし過ぎます。当時に気持ちが戻れました。ありがとー
こういうコメントもありました：
「異常すぎるｗ 東京が嫌になった主な要因がこれ。 朝から気持ち悪くなった。 にしても、ホームの幅狭いね。怖い。」
朝早くの渋谷駅＞池袋駅乗り換え＞下り西武池袋線＞寝てしまう＞所沢駅で目覚め＞上り西武池袋線を乗る＞石神井公園駅で降りる＞次から次への満員電車を見る＞下り電車を乗って、ひばりヶ丘駅で降りる＞ひばりヶ丘駅辺りを見る＞おわり
通勤ラッシュ、すさまじいですね。２１世紀になって２０年経ちましたけど､時差通勤する人増えて、働いている人口も減りつつあるけど…。貴重な映像ありがとうございます。
在宅勤務も普及しましたしね。
乗客もなんの躊躇もなくタックルしに行く感じ凄いな
この当時の30代のサラリーマンはもう定年の年なんだな。。
This is priceless. Thank you.
4:10 電車を横転させそうな勢い
バブルのころの朝ラッシュは、混雑が非常に激しかったと聞いたことがありますが、昨今はコロナ禍鉄道利用者が減っているから、バブルのときと比べたら、今のほうがマシである。
Glad you liked it. It depends on the time of day - on weekday mornings on the commuter lines, it's usually really quiet. Sometimes you'll hear a couple of friends quietly talking together, but usually there's no talking at all. (Occasionally you'll hear someone complain to someone about being poked in the back, etc.) On Friday evening trains, it can get pretty noisy, with a lot of people talking with each other, but even then, it's usually friends, and not very often strangers. - LHS
Thanks for mentioning that - I'll look into it. I had noticed before that some people were labeled "director", but I didn't look into it. Thanks again! - LHS
it is an artistic video with ardent audacity to glimpse at folks' routines. Good job saxon!
これぞ真の 乗客.zip
Tokyo used to be very difficult to get about in a wheelchair (and it was in 1991, when this video was taken), but since then they've been steadily building elevators, ramps, escalators (that can accommodate wheelchairs), etc. and I now see people going about on the system in wheelchairs from time-to-time. An issue in the peak rush times though is how people are all smashed together, but people in wheelchairs are allowed in the morning women-only cars. - LHS
ありきたりですが、懐かしい。この頃は大学生でした。自動改札があまり普及されていなかった頃ですね。
Not as crowded as in 1991, but still crowded! See "Less Crowded in 2008" for a modern view of the same line during the peak morning rush to the center of Tokyo. - LHS
これを見ると今が楽に感じる。
4:12 この人たち全員入っちゃうのすごいなぁ
On this particular line (the Seibu-Ikebukuro Line), the nearest part of the train to transfer to other lines from is the very front. Both the 1991 and 2008 videos at Hibarigaoka Station were of the very first car on the train. The people very determined to get on there are probably running late and need to save every second they can. They should have taken an earlier train, but were probably up late, so... they take the last possible one and - that's the result! - LHS
Hi! Thanks for the information about the trains! I hadn't realized that the train carriages had been sold to other train lines. I did hear about the old Marunouchi Line trains being used in Argentina! (I have a video clip of one of those called "Old Marunouchi Line Train in Ginza - 1991").
Thanks also for the information about the train version numbers. I rode on the type of trains in the video for many years, but didn't know their proper names.
Thanks! - LHS
Excellent question! This is the Seibu-Ikebukuro Line, and at Ikebukuro Station (where they are all going) the closest exit for transferring to other train lines (which most of them will do) is the front. So these people working so hard to be at the front will likely be getting to work just barely in time - so they are trying to save every second they can by being in front of everyone. (You can run at the front when you get off, but not at the back or middle!) - LHS
It is really weird the first time, but when you ride the sardine lines day after day, it becomes normal! Not fun, but not (usually not anyway) terrible. The dividing line is between what you can do nothing about, and what is unnecessary. So when it's really crowded, people don't usually complain or mind too much about people being against them - since they can't help it. But if there's space and someone is still against you, then people become irritated. - LHS
いい時代だった･･･戻りたい･･･
Thanks! The full uncut version is about 30 minutes - I don't think I have that much space left at RUclips... - LHS
It's just before 8:00 a.m., and with transfers to other lines at Ikebukuro (where everyone is going on this line), as well as walking time, it takes most people an hour or more (one way) to get to work. In 1991, there was almost no flex-time, and companies were strict about people not being late, so people rushed so as not to be late. These same morning joggers tend to work late, making it hard to get up early. working hours have dropped some since then.... - LHS
当時は有楽町線乗り入れていなかったし大江戸線もなかったから大変な混雑だったんでは？
The first train in this video (silver with green stripe on side) is the Yamanote Line, but one of the very early morning trains, before it gets crowded. There are a huge number of poeple who use the Yamanote Line, but there are trains every two or three minutes in the morning, so it wasn't as bad as the express trains on the Seibu-Ikebukuro Line. Also it depends of the stations - some parts of the line are more crowded than others (Shinjuku to Shubuya). - LHS
Thank you! Yes, that's Hibarigaoka Station, both the most crowded train in the video and the people rushing up the stairs to get to the station. Most of the trains are at Shakujikoen, and then I rode back to Hibarigaoka for that last train in the video. There's also a quick bit at Hibarigaoka between Tokorozawa and Shakujikoen. All this in 1991. See "Less Crowded in 2008" for a modern view. - LHS
That train was going *away* from central Tokyo. The crowded trains were all going towards central Tokyo (except for the very early morning ones before the crush-rush got into gear. - LHS
The problem wasn't so much how much time, but simply whether you could punch your time card before 9:00 a.m.! If you punched in at 8:59, you were okay, if you punched in at 9:01, you were late! So in a case of someone running from the last station and punching in at about 8:58, losing 3 minutes would mean that they were late! Also, in the morning crush, EVERY train was (still is on many lines) crowded, so waiting for the next train doesn't help! - LHS
Thanks! "Sardine Run" comes from "packed in like sardines in a can"! The "run" part is because the rush of huge numbers of people into central Tokyo every morning is sort of like a run of a school of fish going somewhere. - LHS
The signs in the station (Ikebukuro Station, where I changed from the Yamanote Line to the Seibu-Ikebukuro Line) indicate where other train lines are, etc. The sign over the Seibu-Ikebukuro Line ticket gates says "Iriguchi" ("Entrance"). If there's a really specific spot you're interested in, let me know the specific spot, like 0:16 (which says "Ticket Machines"); 0:14 has several things, like "Lockers", "Marunouchi Subway Line", etc. - LHS
Thanks! It's not exactly as I wanted, but I did spend a bit of time on editing it.
Incidentally, I just tried posting an answer in Japanese, but when I check back to see if it's been posted, it's just vaporized. For some reason RUclips is black-holing any Japanese text I post, so I can only respond in English. - LHS
@KaleunMaender77 Basically, except they would turn on the seat heaters at the beginning of the line, before the train got crowded. By the time it got really crowded, it would sometimes get hot inside and someone would open a window a little to get more air in. - LHS
石神井だ。池袋方面先頭方は特に混みましたね。３ドアだから余計にひどかった。今は時代も変わりました。こんなには混雑しないし、時間も短くなりました。地上線路時代が懐かしくもありますが、今のほうがいいかな。最後の部分はひばりの北口ですね。
@gaskete Well - this was taken is 1991. Actually, the trains not being over-automated made them very reliable. The newer trains with more sensors and computer-controls sometimes have problems that never happened with the old rock-solid trains. - LHS
But remember this was taken in 1991. People are not as eager to cram onto the trains as they used to be and often a huge crowd just waits on the platform for the next train.... which wouldn't have helped on the Seibu-Ikebukuro Line in 1991 of course - since *all* the trains were packed! They've improved the service since then and there is more flex-time now as well. - LHS
I used to worry about that, but it hasn't happened yet. The thing is - while it's true that people are very close together, it's also true that no one can run away when it's crowded! So it would be a very dangerous situation for someone trying to pick another's pocket. If they noticed, there would be no place to run! Even when the train gets to stations, it's generally too crowded to actually run, so... no, it's probably safer! There have been problems on half-empty late night trains... - LHS
When this video was recorded I would have been 4 years old. Time flies fast.
I don't think so - but his posture is like that. Quite possibly it's someone who's been out all night and is taking the morning train back. You notice details! - LHS
1991年(平成3年）2月の風景かバブル経済崩壊していたなそれに駅のホームの中にワープロの専門学校の広告があるあれから27年日本政府はバブル経済崩壊後何もしていない
thx this way i got it. it's a typical commuters' life.
俺が社会人1年生の頃か。 新入社員は朝早く出社(7:30ごろ)して上司や先輩のデスクと会議室テーブルの水拭きと灰皿を置く事をしていました(当時は自席でタバコが自由に吸えた)。2年目以降はクルマ通勤でしたのでここまで酷いラッシュは経験しませんでした。
takana4381 タバコが自由だったんですね
僕は喘息持ちなのでそんなところ行けません
@@sunshinebgt2117さん 今ではクソでも当時はそれが当たり前の認識でしたからね。通過儀礼みたいなもんです。
There has been a general trend towards having more English used (to be more friendly to foreign visitors). Many trains also have English language announcements as well. - LHS
@1carrotcake Nearly everyone is going to Ikebukuro, the last stop on the line, so when it gets there, you can't not get off, since everyone flows out of the train like a river! - LHS
これを撮ってから、五年ぐらいの１９９６年あたりあちこち見始めた。
Yeah - that's about it! But it *is* better now than in 1991 (when this one was taken), since (a lot of people, not everyone) can get to work anywhere from about 8:30 to 10:30, some people take local trains, which can take 15-20 minutes longer, but don't get so crowded etc. Still - since a pretty large percentage of the 30,000,000 in Tokyo pour into the central area every day, crowding is hard to avoid.... - LHS
Having to push to get on doesn't happen at all stations, or all the time, but referring to this video taken in 1991, there was certainly a lot of pushing at both Hibarigaoka Station and also Shakujikoen Station. After Shakujikoen, the express trains skipped all the stations between there and the terminal station, Ikebukuro. Recently, the station employees hardly ever have to push from the platform, but passengers often have to push a little to get themselves on. - LHS
2色の101系電車懐かしい!
Good evening.
I live near Toritsu-kasei Station (Sinjyuku line)in Nakano Ward from before 40 years.
It is moved deeply for Seibu Model１０１series
train that cannot be seen to be seen in this movie now.
No.1128 and No.284 retired.I think No.284 will transfer it to other local railroad companies.(For instance Joushin-Dentetsu(Takasaki),Sangi-Railroad(Yokkaichi),Izu-Hakone Railroad(Mishima),Ohmi Railroad(Maibara･Hikone).)
2009.9.21 23:45
Yes, this begins on the Yamanote Line and then shows the transfer to the Seibu-Ikebukuro Line at Ikebukuro. I think maybe the Seibu-Shinjuku Line that comes through Takadanobaba is less crowded than the Seibu-Ikebukuro Line, isn't it? But it must have been very crowded the morning of the typhoon a few days ago when the Chuo Line was stopped! Do you work for JR or Seibu Tetsudo? - LHS
所沢変わっていないのはホームの形だけで後は同じ駅とは思えない
西武の塗色も懐かしい黄色とベージュのツートンだし
Some people do, but some commutes would take something like five hours one-way by bicycle.... - LHS
Now or then (1991)? It sure did in 1991. Sometimes it still does in 2008, but not much. - LHS
Great! Is that Hibarigaoka station at the end there?
確かに、当時そう思いました！
Thanks! I'll go back for another look, but (for now) I just checked out one of your videos - it looks like you're also interested in documentary video recording. Thanks for watching mine! - LHS
How do people in wheelchairs get around Tokyo? Is it fairly well equipped or is it difficult enough such that there aren't many people in wheelchairs?
あーだこーだ言っても
やっぱり懐かしいし
こういう雰囲気いいよね
痛いけどね…
And... I just thought of something - did you mean "Are they only in Japanese"? Most of them are! Recently there are many English-language signs in Japan, but in 1991, there weren't very many. - LHS
@70station そうですね。 スキーは、結構人気だった。 スノーボードは、まだ人気無かったし...
from your observation how much time would those hasty passengers spend on waiting for the next available train?
oh loved the girl with the manga magazine!
very good video though. I was just wondering how the atmosphere in japanese trains useually are, like everybody is talking with random people, or is it more like theyre minding their own business?
no problem. i guess i'm not as avid as you. i'm still light on recording films. there's one thing i still wonder: why do the japanese passengers try to get on one train so desperately, either in 1991 or now? is it due to the insufficience of commuting trains? for japanese modus operandi, that seems unconceivable to me. Or, it is because those over crowded trains are express/rapid express that would save commuters a great deal of time?
@woxow But this 20-minute train ride takes about three hours to walk...
and another thing that i had on my mind:
isnt there alot of pocketpocketers in these trains when its so crowded? should be an easy match for an pickpocketer?(!)
@themoaspecial Yeah - especially since I'd been up almost the whole night before. - LHS
In 4:08 why they are trying to ride in front of the train? I saw there is more room in back of the train.
とにかく笑っちゃうよねｗｗｗｗ
I'm not exactly sure about the question, but if it's whether it's a surface train and whether everything in this video was taken in one day:
It begins on the Yamanote Line, but after transferring at Ikebukuro, all scenes are of the Seibu-Ikebukuro Line and everything in this video was taken on the same day in February of 1991. - LHS
good video
携帯電話がありません。
だれも「Suica」「PASMO」なんて持ってない（笑）
MEITETSU2201F 存在してないからな。
改札も自動改札ですらない頃だな。
MEITETSU2201F この後やっとイオカードが出ましたね
Sugoiii ipai!!! Muy difícil. Los comprendo porque viví allá y tomaba esa línea Seibu. Nihon natsukashi. 😍🇯🇵🚉
How do they get off the train ?
how long did this take?
この時代は冬になるとスキー持った人が沢山居ましたね。
この時代にタイムスリップして、電車の中でスマホいじりたい。どんな感じにみられるんだろ?その前に電波圏外か😂
From the start of the video to the end on the day I took this? About four hours.
I want to put more videos of these Q
oh my god.
how is it in present day ?
@Mr303F そう - 山手線の渋谷駅から、池袋駅で西武池袋線を乗って...
how lot of the old video
昔はもっと厳しかったんですね～ 毎日お疲れ様です。
4:30 コートの裾、出てるやんw
通勤ラッシュは避けて電車に乗ってます。
朝が憂鬱になります。
スマホは無く携帯がまだ一般的ではない時代...
携帯電話は、少しあったが、金持ちしか持ってなかった。
バブル当時の携帯電話は、新規加入料が高額であったのと、通話料も高額であった。
the train sound like 京王6000系(走行音)
but happens if one has to get out before the others? ooks like theres no chance! do they all have to get off on the same station?
and i've heared that when it is that crowded rude men start touching women...
@1193F うん、座る場所が多い...
撮影者の方の今の顔が見たいです！l
@lylehsaxon flows out of the train like a river hahahhahaha
編集しすぎてて訳が分からん
0:29 Reading manga.
誰も携帯を持っていない
OL時代駅員さんにぎゅーぎゅー押されてたのが懐かしい。（小田急でしたが。）
今もこんな光景ってあるのかな？
客同士や駅員にキレたりする人なんてほとんど見たことなかった。
小田急の痴漢はハンパなかったけどね。
About perverted men touching women - that's a problem somewhat with crowded trains everywhere. In India they deal with it by just having separate train cars for men and women (or so I hear - I haven't actually been there). In Tokyo, they now have a "Women Only" car on most morning trains. They also stiffened the laws about it, so I don't think it's much of a problem now, although it used to be. - LHS
I would commute by bicycle.