This team doesn't break up double plays?
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
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The is the type of unhinged shit I love. Watching 100+ potential double plays from each player as you go down the rabbit hole. Great video
Agreed! I wish yall would put more of this stuff in the talkin baseball show so you can talk about it with Trev n Jake
Compare this kinda work ethic and breakdown compared to the absolute crap the ESPN puts out
How is it 'unhinged' ? It seems structured and organized to me.
I hope a reporter asks a Mets coach/ manager about this.
Only issue about this is our manager is new and wasn’t part of any prior regime
@@cartierhendrix Agree, but unfortunately he might be put in that situation. Luckily he has that in the back pocket to just say "We will look into it, if it’s a mindset from prior coaching we will figure out the best strategy moving forward”.
These reporters are only concerned about the Alonso extension and getting weird quotes from Vientos
This is the type of content Jimmy should be doing, this is what he's interested in and willing to put mad effort in
It’s what put Jomboy on the map. Lip reading videos. Classic Jimmy
Yep. It’s the kind of content that would make the Mets rethink their base-runners after seeing all those bad throws to first when it was Hoskins lol.. they’ll be pissed 😂
@@traviscoates6878Classic Jimmy
That McNeil montage was wild lmao.
I think the theory behind running through the bag is if you sprint to and through the bag (like running thru first base) you’ll get there faster than sliding, but it only makes sense if you have a good jump and might actually beat the throw. You’ll be tagged out later but the run scores. But they’re not doing that at all - they’re jogging. It’s wild that they’re pulling up as much as they do, Lindor even pulled up in that example
This is also supposed to be with runners on first and third, not first and second. And SPRINTING through the bag at second. So if he does beat the throw the extra couple seconds to tag him will allow the runner at 3rd to score without the force play.
The facts keith even said you can't slide to take out the second basemen kind of proves they don't know the rule
St. Louis Cardinals demonstrated this sort of idea almost to perfection against the Pirates on 06/15/2022
I just don’t get it. You could argue you could disrupt the throw by going hard through it if the guy is over the bag. But pulling up like that, and considering a potential injury through collision or stepping on feet and rolling ankles? I’m so confused.
@@richardcranium5801If you sprint through second, you could potentially beat the throw to second, allowing the guy on third to score before a double play. Then you'd get tagged out ending the inning but a run would score
As a Mets fan HOLY SHIT THIS IS CRAZY!! I never noticed this, so thank you Jomboy for all the research
What I learned from this video:
1. McNeil either gets a terrible jump on balls-in-play, wants to protect himself, or doesn’t try
2. Crazy how Hoskins’ slides were getting guys like Carlos Santana safe at first
3. If this is a team wide philosophy it needs to be changed, it’s just not baseball
Hope the NY media catches on to this and it gets it’s way to the Mets
Facts man I never knew about any of this
I don’t think it’s supposed to be “casually run through the bag in case he misses the bag” it’s supposed to be “run hard through the base and if you beat the throw, the defender on second is going to have to decide to throw to first or home or tag the guy who just ran passed him”
With that said, it seems like the Mets are using the strategy where it doesn’t make sense..
I believe there are a couple of videos out there of the cardinals over the last 2 years making the strategy work
@@AFischerManI believe Willson did this last year sometime early
I believe it worked a couple times for Elly last year but that’s because he’s so fast that he can beat the throw to second, I don’t think it’s intended for every player in that scenario
@@robbyhall6904 that makes sense to me. I think it has to be a judgement call for the player right? They need to make a call when they’re a few steps away if they think there’s a chance they could beat the throw standing
It could also be "in case the throw gets away from him you can quickly run to 3rd "
This is fantastic content! Listened to it and then had to come to RUclips to see the video.
Same!! Listening at work and couldn't wait to be able to watch it
At the same time, this did really not make for good listening content…
Who knew Chase Utley’s slide from almost 10 YEARS AGO would still scar the Mets today 😂?
10 years ago…damn.
Broke more than Tejada and now it all seems worth it. Back then of course it was crazy hard baseball that ended in tragedy, but like most tragedies, it's now a comedy.
Softly hit but vogelbach dosen't run well killed me tbh
As a Braves fan, I really appreciate all the extra outs the Mets gave us.
We have given you a million, and this team will definitely give you some more this season. Haha
Think Jomboy just took a handful away from the Baves this year, lmao
Braves fans are so cool
Mets fan here, seeing this team constantly run through the bag and the innings being over always felt wrong after watching other games, and it just never clicked why. Thanks for this. I hope we see change, because we need it.
I know the Utley case left a scar on the team and rightly so, but clearly, there's a time and a place for strong slides and it's grim looking at this footage.
Absolutely amazing video with great insight. I also had rhotacism as a kid and went to speech therapy. I didn’t even know it was called that haha. Now I’m in college trying to become a sports broadcaster
Being a hustle guy AND a unwritten rules guy is an interesting combo because usually they contradict each other.
Not really
@@ftb3817Yes really. They are VERY inconsistent and pick and choose who they want to impose it on
As someone who grew up in a half Mets half Yankees household on Long Island nearby where Keith Hernandez lives... never expect Keith's explanations of things to make any sense.
Keith is still good at explaining situational hitting and first base positioning, but he's never been particularly great at making up explanations about other stuff on the fly in my experience. He does come from a solid baseball IQ background though, his dad used to drill him and his brother on flashcards relentlessly when he was a little kid.
Keith may have his eccentricities, but he absolutely knows what he's talking about when it comes to serious baseball analysis and you're an absolute fool if you don’t acknowledge that. Even the most ardent Mets haters know that the Mets have one of the best, if not the best broadcast booth in all of baseball.
I agree with this but keith is really smart about baseball. He just can’t always articulate it well
The Mets breakdown is a fantastic rabbit hole that you found! I was shocked watching
As a Jeff, I admit to doing the gentlemanly thing to avoid breaking up double plays also as well.
therefore.
@@keithfoley3360 indeed! 🤣
The Blue Jays getting such weak contact against Blanco may be their scouting report. Looking at Statcast, last year Blanco was nearly 50% slider and 40% fastball and just 9% changeup. In his no hitter he was pretty evenly distributed between changeup, fastball, and slider. That's a pretty drastic difference! A pitch he threw 9% of the time in his few starts last year was just as frequent as the fastball and slider in this game.
Thanks for these deep dives, i really enjoy them!
ive never seen a cleaner example of hustle saving so many outs
dont let frank the tank see this
Please send it to him
I would kill to watch that reaction
Love the deep dive on the Mets. This is the kind of content I love from Jimmy, he finds things in the game that you would never think to look for notice.
@jimmy please more videos like this. This is what I watch this channel for. Gimme the off the wall super in depth looks at stuff that doesn't matter to the casuals.
This is my favorite video of the year so far!
This is a really good segment Jimmy! Hope you keep this for the foreseeable future ! Very informative!
Great stuff jomboy. This is CRAZY.
This was a lot of fun, the Mets and No Hitter break downs are super interesting and you got me paying extra attention to turned double plays to see how different teams slide/don't slide.
That’s what I love about Jomboy. He introduces you to different aspects of the game to watch that you didn’t consider. Makes the game more fun when you catch adjustments that players/teams make
The idea behind running through second is that it’s quicker to get to the bag than sliding. That way, if there’s runners on first and third and one out, the runner coming from third will score since there’s no longer a force out. Daulton Varsho is very good at this… but the Mets players don’t seem to understand the concept that you actually need to sprint.
Maybe they started this after the chase utley Ruben Tejada play? Tejada was a met when that happened
Love this video. Glad you highlighted it on the main channel!
Hoskins is just trying to do what he can to avoid double plays and keep innings alive. Love it
Still a dirty play thougg
@@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa369How can you watch this video and say that? This undeniable proof that McNeil is wrong.
@@briangriffin391 you mean the video where Hoskins makes no contact with the plate and only slides into McNeils legs? There was no intention of sliding into the base, only into McNeils legs lmao
@@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa369 You don't understand baseball at all. Please pay attention to this video. You're as lost as McNeil. Hoskins slid and held unto the base completely, trying to break up the double play the way I was taught in 9u Little League.
@@briangriffin391 yes, I’m not saying it’s against the rules… but he very clearly went after his legs, which is legal, but still douchey imo
Bro i know you worked hard on this and this video deserves massive attention. A multi billion dollar company, ESPN, doesnt even put a fraction of this effort into their program.
Great work Jim. Have said it before, will say it again. This is where Jim is at his best. Love this stuff.
Love the pitch breakdown. Awesome stuff
this video is incredible! Thank you for this
Man great job! This is amazing work dude
When Jimmy says he’s doing a deep dive it’s next level. Incredibly done content. 👏👏
Wow, extremely informative video. Loved this!!
I think the thought process about running through the bag at second is this:
Sliding slows you down, so they’re instructing players to just run full speed all the way to the bag if it’s going to be a close play so they’ll have a better chance of beating it out, which would allow the run to score. The Cardinals pulled it off a couple years ago, but with the way the Mets do it, it makes no sense lol.
The problem being that they are DEFINITELY not running full speed.
@@jimmyk4445 Yep lol. That’s the point I was making. It would seem the players don’t understand the strategy of running through the bag, which is pretty embarrassing.
@@gentlemanjake8005 it's so weird. Cuz the thought process revolves entirely around sprinting. Just like we know you don't slide into first. So it's absolutely nonsense to just jog it out.
Maybe the weirdest thing about it, is that it seems like a team wide philosophy. So it's not one dumb guy who doesn't make sense, it's a team of dumb guys, players and coaches, who either don't understand it's nonsense, or don't care. Like you said, it's so embarrassing.
@@jimmyk4445 The players are obviously not without blame, but that’s a complete failure in coaching if that’s the case.
@@gentlemanjake8005 I agree. Especially for the young guys like Baty and Alvarez. But guys like Marte and Lindor should shut this down immediately.
Love this video SO MUCH!!! Hope it gets the views it deserves
Every second of this is mandatory viewing. Love it.
Wow thanks for digging deep on this one!!
So BASICALLY Jeff McNeill is not a serious ball player
Only a cry baby
It's not just him. It's the whole team.
Enjoyed the no-hitter deep dive. Really interesting to see. Great work!
Great video. Loved the pitch breakdown.
16:26 is my favorite clip. The way Stott moves his feet.
Love the deep dive. This is the kind of analysis I love.
Good stuff. I like the deep dive with great info.
Brilliant sports analysis. Jomboy and Co keep it up
So glad this is back
this is so awesome! love the research!
Obsessed with the no hitter deep dive. Thanks, Jimmy!
@23:17 "Rhotacism" thanks for sharing and Talkin' Baseball, Jimmy! ⚾️💥♥️
Amazing breakdown, that was incredible analytics!
Love this stuff.
jomboy top 10 video for sure
excellent work, jimbo
You taught me so much about pitching from that no hitter walk through! I need to use savant more!
Amazing breakdown, Jimmy. Love that baseball is back!
And jeez, someone in the Mets coaching dept. Is having a talking to.
Great video Jimmy 👍🏻
Thanks Jimmy for your thorough journalism, so bizarre. Would love a follow-up on finding out why they do this.
This is the research and insight that NO ONE else is doing and I absolutely love it. Amazing video, Jomboy. This guy is a national treasure that we must protect at all costs.
I wonder if the Mets as an organization decided to not breakup double plays for the safety of their players and others because of the infamous Chase Utley slide?
this is good homework, ty for this :)
what a polite team they are
Nice work Jimmy, tbh I was kind of expecting you to come at this with a bias towards the Mets but this is a fantastic and objective explanation of a very clear pattern. I would be extremely interested to hear McNeil and the Mets coaching staff's response to this.
I had the same issue with my R’s as a kid. Glad I got it fixed.
So nice to hear something the angels are going right. This gives me hope for the season
This is why we love you Jimmy
This reminds me of some 1970s paranoia thriller, when the protagonist starts piecing the clues together, and realizing there’s a massive conspiracy. Like Jimmy is in “blow up” or “Parallax View”.
Betts does the same as McNeil pretty often. So do quite a few Dodgers hitters.
Baseball forensics....awesome!
That’s good journalism right there
Here's the theory to the best of my knowledge (I think I've only seen it used once successfully by the pirates - maybe? - last year.) It only applies if there is a runner on third or a runner advancing to third and the out at first would be the final out in the inning. If the inning ends with a force out, the run does not count. So the goal of the runner going to 2nd is to beat the throw to the bag and not be forced. Since running through a base is faster, it makes sense that they're coached as such. If successful, the runner at first is forced and even if the man running through 2nd is thrown behind and tagged, the run can still count because the last out wasn't a force. You're still probably going to suffer a double play anyway, but you steal a run by avoiding the final out being a force.
The possible outcomes are as follows: The ball beats the runner to 2nd and they turn the double play - no run. The runner beats the ball to second and the fielder threw to first as normal to record a force then the ball is thrown back to second to tag the runner or put him in a rundown to end the inning - the run scores. Or finally, the runner beats the ball to second, overruns it, and is tagged out immediately with no time left to throw record the out at first - the run scores.
The fact that the Mets are doing it with no one on third is absurd. In addition as Jimmy mentioned, they're just jogging. In order to pull that play off, hustling is required. I'm really glad this isn't a league wide trend that we all just missed. Cleanly breaking up double plays is a key factor in between winning and losing ball games.
I watched some of the Pirates' plays from last year and what I saw and what I remember them talking about on the broadcast is having their players going in hard standing up by basically keeping your body in the throwing lane as long as possible to disrupt the throw.
I can feel Jimmy's passion with this...yes...more!
this is awesome
I loved this video. Wouldn’t have clicked on it with the thumbnail though, I only ended up here with the shoutout from main channel.
Would’ve clicked if i knew the no hitter analysis was here, could all the topics be displayed in the thumbnail, with a focus on the primary one still?
Love the vids, this pitch by pitch stuff and video review, not sure how to advertise it as that effectively, but it’s a cool concept.
ayo jomboy team, i've watched your content year round for years now, but i promise you these full vids (specifically this and talkin baseball) stopped popping up in my recommended-- thanks for smacking my ass into shape by posting a clip on the main channel
As a Mets fan I typically get annoyed with Jimmy’s blatant anti-Mets bias, but I actually like how this video was done. I never really noticed this before and seeing it against the rest of the league makes me wonder how many games could have gone the Mets way if their team-wide approach to this was different. Well done.
The Mets are hilarious man. Funniest team in baseball
They're very kind to baserunners too. Never even attempt to throw out stolen bases
Jimmy, you have to go further down the rabbit hole for us... Have the Mets not tried to break up a double play since the dirty Chase Utley Slide in the 2015 Playoffs???
Langoliers out here looking like a Jimmy/Jolly hybrid
i’m not sure why the score difference was included in the filters, and the exit velo was a good way to filter for this. appreciate your filtering.
I assume it’s because players are more inclined to break up a double play (or try) when it is a close game. If it’s a blowout, they might not want to risk an injury or something like that.
I dont know how any Mets fan could not have known theyve been doing this forever. I think I remember early in the 2022 season they said it was a Buck thing
Appreciate the deep dives, especially the one about the slides for Mets players. Good lord that is some atrocious baseball from the Mets players. Now I have to search for Cubs and White Sox footage, I really hope this isn't the case for either of them....
This is exhaustive and so good and so worthwhile. Happy to see you being you, Jimmy.
Also: McNeil is softer than fresh dog crap. Blue collar grinder, my caboose. Just an opinion, from Philadelphia, with love.
more of these please
tops breakdown. way better than any other trash on any shit network. thank you for your dedication Jom.
I'd be curious to see when the Mets implemented this because I'd be willing to bet it was shortly after the Utley slide...
Well done.
Okay, so if we combine this with the Mets being the most hit by pitch team. Is the reason they get hit the most because the pitcher's thinking, "I can play him a little more inside, he's a nice guy and If I hit him, he'll let it go."
Love this content. The deep dives I wish I could do, but will settle for watch/listening to this while doing chores.
Story of the no hitter was no one knew he threw a change up coming into the game. The batters prepared to face fastballs and mostly sliders.
It's kind of funny that the one time McNeil was accidentally aggressive it helped his team and in every other instance he sees infield contact and just gives up.
Watching the Met's refusing to break up double plays compared to teams that aggressively, within the rules, attempting to break them up is a perfect case study of why you should be aggressive. That little delay or off balanced throw caused by being aggressive doesn't seem like much but it's a huge difference when a double play is usually determined by no more than one stride.
We need a fallow up video of the Mets being asked and responding to this, crazy stuff
If i remember right from high school, i think we were told to slide early when we had no chance of making it like McNeil is doing. Partly because we weren't really allowed to brake up double plays. But also because there is a good chance you'll get hit by the throw to first if you don't slide early.
Then as an infielder, it was really annoying when a runner didn't slide early because you didn't want to hit them. But it's really simple as taking one step in either direction to avoid the runner.
yeah but considering he did a deep dive into every single team and this was only a trend on the Mets I think its safe to say its not a typical thing and that trying to break up the double is perfectly normal across the league.
This is amazing. I would say ... disrupting the play is part of the game at second. That's why playing as a baseman sucks even more. Put me in the outfield coach.
This is wild
The problem with the Mets is always the Mets. Can't wash that shit off.
Such a lazy, low-effort hate comment. You didn't utter a single thing of substance against the Mets, just generically insulted them. But I get it, that's an easy way to collect upvotes online. So congrats on saying nothing and getting "rewarded' for it.
@@BDizDaBest whatever bro
Rush is cool though
@@BDizDaBestsalty mets fan lmao
@@Boxscot49 Still not a substantive critique. It’s funny, because I’m not even against informed, fair criticism of the Mets (I do it all the time and I love the Mets), it’s just that there is a Mets Hate Industrial Complex now where you don’t even have to try at all or use facts anymore - any and all hate of the Mets is accepted and upvoted point-blank, face-value.
The strategy the mets broadcast mentioned was a strategy the cardinals started teaching in 2 out bases loaded scenarios not for double play balls. The mets make 0 sense
The situation where you run through 2nd base on a double play is 1st and 3rd one out. Run through 2nd but make a turn so you're not immediately out of the basepaths. So if you beat the throw, you might eventually get tagged out, but the runner at 3rd will score because it wouldn't be two force play outs.
What's interesting is this isn't a Buck Showalter thing because this has happened with multiple coaches now - this is a Mets issue and it has to be the players insisting on this because the announcers and Cohen aren't the ones advocating for it