dunno what was wrong with my hi-hat but I dismantled it and then built it back up like you instructed in this vid and now it seems to be sounding better so thanks lol
Hey man, I need some help with my hi-hat stand. The stand came loose from the chain at the bottom. This has happened before, and usually, I just screw it back on pushing the rod bar down to show where to screw the bolt in the rod bar. But this time, the bar either fell inside or got stuck, so I couldn’t reach the part to screw it back. I had to open the stand and expose the rod bar. I pressed it down to reach the bottom and screwed the chain back in place. Now the chain is connected, but when I put everything back together, the chain just drops to the ground, like nothing’s holding the bar. The bar is inside the spiral spring, and I think the chain isn’t connecting properly to whatever it’s supposed to. The spring is at the bottom of the stand, right? Is there something that's supposed to hold it in place? Any help would be really appreciated because I’m not sure if I broke something
I see a lot of drummers use the hi-hat really loose and flimsy like rock and roll I was just curious how I can get mine to do that or do I have to have a certain stand to do that I'm talking like how you put them together and make them move really fast in up beat songs!
You can achieve the loose hi-hats by adjusting the clutch nut 1:40 in the video ( Problem no. 2 ). You will probably need a locking nut that does up tight against it though, otherwise it'll keep undoing and falling off. A decent clutch can make this easier.
Hi Joyce, thanks for watching. Not all stands have Spring tension adjustability, but most stands that do are adjusted by turning a (usually black plastic) collar located about a third of the way up the stand above the footplate. Turning the collar to the right usually increases spring tension and makes the the pedal harder to press and turning it to the left will make the pedal easier to press.
What about spring tension? Is that adjustable? While I play I tend to keep my hihat foot bouncing (I just bounce the heel, not the toes) to help me lock into the groove. However I sometimes get an unwanted double (ghost) note because the spring tension is strong enough to lift the cymbal even though I have the weight of my leg pressing on the pedal. To stop those accidental ghost notes I have to bury my foot on the pedal to regain control, and that of course messes with my flow. How do I remedy this issue? Is it my hihat playing style that I need to get more under control or is there something that can be done about the spring tension?
You could try adjusting your spring tension to see if that helps at all, but from experience of teaching others that have had similar issues to this, it sounds like a technique issue. There's no problem with keeping pulse with your left foot, but it's best to utilise that in your playing if you're going to do it - try playing deliberate quarter notes or eighth notes with your left foot (heel up) and use it to your advantage. It can sound great while your right hand is on the ride cymbal but I've seen it done while playing on the hi-hats too. It's muscle memory and will take time to perfect, so work slowly at first before trying faster tempos. Remember that there should be minimal tension in your body when you play though. Best of luck. Thanks for watching.
@@BeatmastersGuild I do play quarter notes. I like playing quarter notes with my foot. It's fun and spices up the groove so much. But this tension issue that I have throws in a one eight note in my game, a note that I don't want there. Now, I'm not yet that good with foot driven eight notes on hi-hat, it still messes up my dominant foot when I try, so I stay away from em for now 🙂 But I will keep working on it. The thing is, it appears my hi-hat stand does not have spring tension adjustment. I looked for it, but could not find none. The stand was a gift from a fellow drummer. Now, is it possible (if there are hi-hat stands without spring tension adjustment as an option) that I got that very one that has no tension adjustment? Could that be the case here? But if I have had a stand that has spring tension adjustment, how would I go about adjusting it? What does one do exactly? One more thing, how do I tell the two stands apart. If I wanted a hi hat stand with a spring tension adjustment, what exactly should I look for when I am out shopping for one, so I don't end up buying another stand that has no spring tension adjustment? What's the tell tale sign I have to pay attention to?
@@alisaljic it's still worth a look at technique and see if there's any underlying issues there. Remember to keep things slow when making changes. As for stands without spring tension adjustment; yes some stands don't have it. If they do have adjustability, it's usually a small dial/wheel above the footboard near the bottom of the stand. The tighter you make it, the harder it is to press the cymbals together. Most stands these days have adjustability though except really cheap models mid range models from - Mapex pearl Tama DW Gibraltar Natal Yamaha etc will be fine. The more you spend, the more control you have over things. No substitute for dialing technique first though
The tool you'll need to tighten the nut will be a small spanner (size will depend on what make the stand is), but you can also use an adjustable wrench, or even a pair of pliers to tighten the nut. You'll need to turn it right (clockwise as you look at it) to tighten it.
How can I keep my hi hat pedal from slipping and disconnecting from the pull rod? Also when I play my hi hat, I noticed the pull rod moves a little is that normal or do I need to adjust something??
When you say the pedal is slipping, I'm assuming that the stand is staying still, but the pedal is moving in relation to the stand? If so, it sounds like it could be an issue with the rails that mount the pedal to the stand - maybe they've become disconnected or loose. Or if it's becoming disconnected, then it's likely the little nut that's come loose that's mentioned in the video. You'll find that above where the pedal chain disappears up into the stand. As for the pull rod moving when you play, that'll be due to the nuts coming loose too. Check they are tightened up properly. Hope you manage to get the problems sorted
@@jordonpolete7381 in that case it's likely to be the nut has come loose. Look at 3:55 in the video and check that nut is tight. Also check the rails under the footboard are connected to the stand too
@@jordonpolete7381 no worries. Happy help. To answer your question - potentially yes - shouldn't crunch. It should be smooth to press. It might be that something has come undone completely inside and/or you have very high spring tension. I would follow the video from the bit where you look inside the stand and check that the pull rod and mechanism is all aligned properly.
It's difficult to say exactly as it'll depend on the make of stand. I'll hazard a guess and say 6mm thread though on average. You could replace with a bolt from a hardware store if you take it in to match it up. Alternatively, you can replace the whole 'hi-hat rest' (that's the round plastic part that the felt sits on and joins to the down tube.) You can buy hi-hat rests online or through local drum store. Again, check the make though if you're going that route. You may also have to chisel the old one off as sometimes they are glued on tight (don't do that until you have a matching replacement though obviously!). Cheapest route will be a new bolt though but it may keep coming loose if there's a problem with the nut inside the hi-hat rest. Good luck, hope you can get it sorted.
Problem number 2 The fix I'm aware of. I have to do it a bunch. Buy WHY does it keep happening? That's what I'd like to know and prevent from happening anymore. So frustrating!
It's a really common problem unfortunately. What you can do though, is get a second nut and tighten it up against the first nut to stop it coming undone. It does work. Alternatively, there are clutches available now that have locking nuts on them so they never come undone. Worth having a look. Makes like DW, yamaha, Tama, pearl etc all do them. Check compatibility with the size of your pull rod first though.
How can I prevent the nut under the top cymbal from coming loose? I like my top cymbal fairly loose since I play a lot of metal with loose half-open hi hats so the nut comes off constantly.
This is a really common problem Chris, I feel your plight. There are a couple of solutions to try though; you could add a second nut underneath the first one (tightened up firmly against the first nut and then they won't come undone), or you could change the clutch assembly for one of the ones with a locking bottom nut (they lock with a drum key). Gibraltar, tama, Yamaha, pearl etc all make them. You'll need to check compatibility with your stand first though, but they're all great and worth the money
@@BeatmastersGuild I’ll definitely look into a locking clutch, thanks. I do use a second nut underneath the first one but it comes undone now and then too. Thanks though :)
@@ChrisAirsoft556 the double nut method needs a little nip up with a wrench/spanners to work best - don't overtighten though. Sounds like the locking clutch is probably the best option for you. They're really convenient for quick set up time too
Hi Jordan, yes it does. You need to check what size yours is to make sure you get the correct one. Sometimes you can find a replacement on eBay or similar though. You can measure across the threads (guides available online if you're not sure). You may be able to order the wingscrew from the manufacturer, or a third-party one online. Just check that the thread in the stand isn't damaged too - look into helicoil options if so. Hope you get it sorted.
@@jordonpolete7381 you can usually tell if the threads are damaged, have a quick look at the threads and see if they are broken. Hopefully they're not and you can just replace the wingscrew
@@jordonpolete7381 there's usually a couple of different thread sizes (depends on the manufacturer.) If you're not sure on sizes, best just get the original manufacturer's replacement. Hopefully you can find one. Good luck.
Sounds like you need to increase the spring tension on the stand. There is a dial (or wheel ), or drum key operated screw, on the hi-hat stand that can be tightened to give a stronger spring setting. I'd try that first. Hope you can sort it.
the wing nut in the middle of the hi hat stand won't come out to keep the upper tube in place so i can't make the hi hat any higher. I stuck my finger in the hole where the middle wing nut goes and there is no hole for it to come out of to keep the upper tube in place, can you help?
Is it possible that it's cross-threaded or "threaded" as some people call it? Or, could it be the plastic sleeve/insert that the screw compresses on to has moved position. Can you take the tube out to check the position and condition of the sleeve?
@Wayne Martin Hi Wayne, just trying to work out which part you mean, could you give me a time frame from the video so I can see which bit you mean? (How many minutes/seconds in the video). This will help me answer the question better. Thanks
The nut on the bottom part where u pointed to in your video came loose on my drumset, & i can't get my symbal to open and close, with that screw being so tiny and there is no room to screw it it from the inside how do i fix that !!!
@Gavin Evans do you mean the nut on the bottom of the clutch that holds the top hi hat cymbal? Or the nut on the bottom of the stand that connects the footboard to the stand?
@@gavinevans7646 if you mean the nut that I point to at 3:52 in the video, then yes, these can be difficult to tighten up. I recommend getting a small socket on a ratchet to tighten it, or a small adjustable wrench or pliers might just do it. Putting the stand on its side with no cymbals attached may help. You may even need to take the stand apart so that you can hold the inner assembly still, whilst you tighten the bottom nut up. Hope you manage to get it tightened up again.
I've only seen this twice before. The first time was because the cymbals were bent flat so there wasn't enough clearance and the second time was because the clutch was the wrong size for the pull rod with a huge nut on the bottom of it. However, the clutch isn't actually supposed to come down as far as the 'Hihat Rest' - or the black tube in the middle of the bottom cymbal - as you call it. There's supposed to be some space inside the closed cymbals with an area of an inch or two of pull rod in there. Are they cheap cymbals? Because if they're out of shape this can cause a problem
dunno what was wrong with my hi-hat but I dismantled it and then built it back up like you instructed in this vid and now it seems to be sounding better so thanks lol
That's brilliant, glad it helped you out. Thanks for watching
Thank you I have been annoyed with it for a while and couldn’t make it work but finally I have it working it was the rod that was loose 😂❤
Excellent! Glad it helped. Thanks for watching
Thank you my fellow drummer brother,very helpful video
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@@KarsonTraue-dj1oh that's great to hear Karson. All the best.
Very educative , thanks I encountered the same problems
Glad you found it helpful Edwin. Thanks for reaching out
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Hey man, I need some help with my hi-hat stand. The stand came loose from the chain at the bottom. This has happened before, and usually, I just screw it back on pushing the rod bar down to show where to screw the bolt in the rod bar. But this time, the bar either fell inside or got stuck, so I couldn’t reach the part to screw it back. I had to open the stand and expose the rod bar. I pressed it down to reach the bottom and screwed the chain back in place. Now the chain is connected, but when I put everything back together, the chain just drops to the ground, like nothing’s holding the bar. The bar is inside the spiral spring, and I think the chain isn’t connecting properly to whatever it’s supposed to. The spring is at the bottom of the stand, right? Is there something that's supposed to hold it in place? Any help would be really appreciated because I’m not sure if I broke something
I see a lot of drummers use the hi-hat really loose and flimsy like rock and roll I was just curious how I can get mine to do that or do I have to have a certain stand to do that I'm talking like how you put them together and make them move really fast in up beat songs!
You can achieve the loose hi-hats by adjusting the clutch nut 1:40 in the video ( Problem no. 2 ). You will probably need a locking nut that does up tight against it though, otherwise it'll keep undoing and falling off. A decent clutch can make this easier.
How do you adjust spring tension? Hope you'll make a video about it cos that's a problem most players encounter. Thanks!
Hi Joyce, thanks for watching. Not all stands have Spring tension adjustability, but most stands that do are adjusted by turning a (usually black plastic) collar located about a third of the way up the stand above the footplate. Turning the collar to the right usually increases spring tension and makes the the pedal harder to press and turning it to the left will make the pedal easier to press.
What about spring tension? Is that adjustable? While I play I tend to keep my hihat foot bouncing (I just bounce the heel, not the toes) to help me lock into the groove. However I sometimes get an unwanted double (ghost) note because the spring tension is strong enough to lift the cymbal even though I have the weight of my leg pressing on the pedal. To stop those accidental ghost notes I have to bury my foot on the pedal to regain control, and that of course messes with my flow. How do I remedy this issue? Is it my hihat playing style that I need to get more under control or is there something that can be done about the spring tension?
You could try adjusting your spring tension to see if that helps at all, but from experience of teaching others that have had similar issues to this, it sounds like a technique issue. There's no problem with keeping pulse with your left foot, but it's best to utilise that in your playing if you're going to do it - try playing deliberate quarter notes or eighth notes with your left foot (heel up) and use it to your advantage. It can sound great while your right hand is on the ride cymbal but I've seen it done while playing on the hi-hats too. It's muscle memory and will take time to perfect, so work slowly at first before trying faster tempos. Remember that there should be minimal tension in your body when you play though. Best of luck. Thanks for watching.
@@BeatmastersGuild I do play quarter notes. I like playing quarter notes with my foot. It's fun and spices up the groove so much. But this tension issue that I have throws in a one eight note in my game, a note that I don't want there. Now, I'm not yet that good with foot driven eight notes on hi-hat, it still messes up my dominant foot when I try, so I stay away from em for now 🙂 But I will keep working on it.
The thing is, it appears my hi-hat stand does not have spring tension adjustment. I looked for it, but could not find none. The stand was a gift from a fellow drummer. Now, is it possible (if there are hi-hat stands without spring tension adjustment as an option) that I got that very one that has no tension adjustment? Could that be the case here?
But if I have had a stand that has spring tension adjustment, how would I go about adjusting it? What does one do exactly?
One more thing, how do I tell the two stands apart. If I wanted a hi hat stand with a spring tension adjustment, what exactly should I look for when I am out shopping for one, so I don't end up buying another stand that has no spring tension adjustment? What's the tell tale sign I have to pay attention to?
@@alisaljic it's still worth a look at technique and see if there's any underlying issues there. Remember to keep things slow when making changes. As for stands without spring tension adjustment; yes some stands don't have it. If they do have adjustability, it's usually a small dial/wheel above the footboard near the bottom of the stand. The tighter you make it, the harder it is to press the cymbals together. Most stands these days have adjustability though except really cheap models mid range models from - Mapex pearl Tama DW Gibraltar Natal Yamaha etc will be fine. The more you spend, the more control you have over things. No substitute for dialing technique first though
@@BeatmastersGuild Thanks 👍🖖
What tool can iuse to check the screw on the pedal?
The tool you'll need to tighten the nut will be a small spanner (size will depend on what make the stand is), but you can also use an adjustable wrench, or even a pair of pliers to tighten the nut. You'll need to turn it right (clockwise as you look at it) to tighten it.
How can I keep my hi hat pedal from slipping and disconnecting from the pull rod?
Also when I play my hi hat, I noticed the pull rod moves a little is that normal or do I need to adjust something??
When you say the pedal is slipping, I'm assuming that the stand is staying still, but the pedal is moving in relation to the stand? If so, it sounds like it could be an issue with the rails that mount the pedal to the stand - maybe they've become disconnected or loose. Or if it's becoming disconnected, then it's likely the little nut that's come loose that's mentioned in the video. You'll find that above where the pedal chain disappears up into the stand. As for the pull rod moving when you play, that'll be due to the nuts coming loose too. Check they are tightened up properly. Hope you manage to get the problems sorted
I mean my pedal keeps dropping out
@@jordonpolete7381 in that case it's likely to be the nut has come loose. Look at 3:55 in the video and check that nut is tight. Also check the rails under the footboard are connected to the stand too
Sorry I'm bombarding questions but if my hi hat pedal makes a slight crunch when I press down on it then that means I need to loosen something right??
@@jordonpolete7381 no worries. Happy help. To answer your question - potentially yes - shouldn't crunch. It should be smooth to press. It might be that something has come undone completely inside and/or you have very high spring tension. I would follow the video from the bit where you look inside the stand and check that the pull rod and mechanism is all aligned properly.
What size is the screw under the hi hat mine falls out from time to time from vibration so I can never get to tilted right!
It's difficult to say exactly as it'll depend on the make of stand. I'll hazard a guess and say 6mm thread though on average. You could replace with a bolt from a hardware store if you take it in to match it up. Alternatively, you can replace the whole 'hi-hat rest' (that's the round plastic part that the felt sits on and joins to the down tube.) You can buy hi-hat rests online or through local drum store. Again, check the make though if you're going that route. You may also have to chisel the old one off as sometimes they are glued on tight (don't do that until you have a matching replacement though obviously!). Cheapest route will be a new bolt though but it may keep coming loose if there's a problem with the nut inside the hi-hat rest. Good luck, hope you can get it sorted.
Problem number 2
The fix I'm aware of.
I have to do it a bunch.
Buy WHY does it keep happening?
That's what I'd like to know and prevent from happening anymore.
So frustrating!
It's a really common problem unfortunately. What you can do though, is get a second nut and tighten it up against the first nut to stop it coming undone. It does work. Alternatively, there are clutches available now that have locking nuts on them so they never come undone. Worth having a look. Makes like DW, yamaha, Tama, pearl etc all do them. Check compatibility with the size of your pull rod first though.
How can I prevent the nut under the top cymbal from coming loose? I like my top cymbal fairly loose since I play a lot of metal with loose half-open hi hats so the nut comes off constantly.
This is a really common problem Chris, I feel your plight. There are a couple of solutions to try though; you could add a second nut underneath the first one (tightened up firmly against the first nut and then they won't come undone), or you could change the clutch assembly for one of the ones with a locking bottom nut (they lock with a drum key). Gibraltar, tama, Yamaha, pearl etc all make them. You'll need to check compatibility with your stand first though, but they're all great and worth the money
@@BeatmastersGuild I’ll definitely look into a locking clutch, thanks. I do use a second nut underneath the first one but it comes undone now and then too. Thanks though :)
@@ChrisAirsoft556 the double nut method needs a little nip up with a wrench/spanners to work best - don't overtighten though. Sounds like the locking clutch is probably the best option for you. They're really convenient for quick set up time too
Does it matter what size wing screw I get mine got cross threaded!
Hi Jordan, yes it does. You need to check what size yours is to make sure you get the correct one. Sometimes you can find a replacement on eBay or similar though. You can measure across the threads (guides available online if you're not sure). You may be able to order the wingscrew from the manufacturer, or a third-party one online. Just check that the thread in the stand isn't damaged too - look into helicoil options if so. Hope you get it sorted.
How do I check to make sure the inside isn't damaged!
@@jordonpolete7381 you can usually tell if the threads are damaged, have a quick look at the threads and see if they are broken. Hopefully they're not and you can just replace the wingscrew
The only I'm asking I had to replace mine I borrowed one from my church off a old kit as the replacement it fits well just looks a little bigger!
@@jordonpolete7381 there's usually a couple of different thread sizes (depends on the manufacturer.) If you're not sure on sizes, best just get the original manufacturer's replacement. Hopefully you can find one. Good luck.
I have a problem with the spring tension not strong enough to lift the top cymbal
Sounds like you need to increase the spring tension on the stand. There is a dial (or wheel ), or drum key operated screw, on the hi-hat stand that can be tightened to give a stronger spring setting. I'd try that first. Hope you can sort it.
the wing nut in the middle of the hi hat stand won't come out to keep the upper tube in place so i can't make the hi hat any higher. I stuck my finger in the hole where the middle wing nut goes and there is no hole for it to come out of to keep the upper tube in place, can you help?
Is it possible that it's cross-threaded or "threaded" as some people call it? Or, could it be the plastic sleeve/insert that the screw compresses on to has moved position. Can you take the tube out to check the position and condition of the sleeve?
I took the tension faster out at the slider. How do I get hole in shaft to show again so I can put fastener back?
@Wayne Martin Hi Wayne, just trying to work out which part you mean, could you give me a time frame from the video so I can see which bit you mean? (How many minutes/seconds in the video). This will help me answer the question better. Thanks
The nut on the bottom part where u pointed to in your video came loose on my drumset, & i can't get my symbal to open and close, with that screw being so tiny and there is no room to screw it it from the inside how do i fix that !!!
@Gavin Evans do you mean the nut on the bottom of the clutch that holds the top hi hat cymbal? Or the nut on the bottom of the stand that connects the footboard to the stand?
@@BeatmastersGuild yes!
@@gavinevans7646 if you mean the nut that I point to at 3:52 in the video, then yes, these can be difficult to tighten up. I recommend getting a small socket on a ratchet to tighten it, or a small adjustable wrench or pliers might just do it. Putting the stand on its side with no cymbals attached may help. You may even need to take the stand apart so that you can hold the inner assembly still, whilst you tighten the bottom nut up. Hope you manage to get it tightened up again.
@@BeatmastersGuild thanks ill give it a try 😎😎😎
Black tube in middle of bottom cymbal won't allow clutch stem to enter therefore the cymbal won't close
I've only seen this twice before. The first time was because the cymbals were bent flat so there wasn't enough clearance and the second time was because the clutch was the wrong size for the pull rod with a huge nut on the bottom of it. However, the clutch isn't actually supposed to come down as far as the 'Hihat Rest' - or the black tube in the middle of the bottom cymbal - as you call it. There's supposed to be some space inside the closed cymbals with an area of an inch or two of pull rod in there. Are they cheap cymbals? Because if they're out of shape this can cause a problem
@@BeatmastersGuild thanks I bought them from Soultones cymbals at $192.00 .I think it's the cymbal seat that may need replacing.the screw is missing
Soultone are decent cymbals so yeah it's more likely to be the Hihat seat or the stand itself. Hope you get the problem sorted.
Very helpful, thank you
Many thanks Nick