Capture One: Catalog VS Session
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In this video I go over the asset management in Capture One - Catalog and Session. I'll discuss the advantages and disadvantages of both so you can decide which one better suits your needs. I'll speak as well about the basic concept that stands behind any efficient workflow in Capture One - a non destructive workflow.
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Non destructive workflow in Capture One
05:17 Catalog
09:37 Session
All this seems to occasion a lot of confusion among users, at least judging by the quantity of videos there are devoted to the topic. What is often missed, however (though not always), is that these separate strategies do not exclude each other but rather can work very well together simultaneously. For example, while traveling, I start with a Session for wherever I happen to be (and note that this same logic may be applied for projects or events, say, for those who don't travel so much) . At any given location, I always start a fresh Session. When I leave, I start another one for the next location, while the previous one gets absorbed into a master Catalog. There are many ways to manage this and C1 has the functionality to make it almost seamless in every case (great topic for a separate video, btw) . If any confusion remains, experimenting with this more hybrid approach, I think, is perhaps the best way to explore the relative strengths and weaknesses of the two models, and so come to a final decision as to which method or combination thereof best suits. I doubt that many of us here are managing tens of thousands of images, but I daresay we'll all be grateful for having bitten this particular and often painful bullet early on, --for when we do.
Randall, thanks for sharing your perspective. I agree that these two approaches can be combined. What you are describing is using the Catalog as the core structure and using Sessions as a sort of "middle step", is that correct? For every new subject/ location you create a new session, where you go through culling and all the promising captures land eventually in the Catalog.
Thanks for suggesting subject for the next video - I'd have to test it out for a while to get a taste of it. Up till now I've built my photo archives with Sessions and to be honest never had any need to step into the "hybrid" universe. But as always, it all depends on photographer and his / her particular workflow.
How to put a Session into a Master Catalog? I will edit my images in Sessions from now, but can I still move the Sessions into a Catalog later, while the edits still stay safe by each image?
@@bioliv1 also my question. I just use sessions. One for each time/day I use the camera but would love to have a kind of summary sessions. Can this be done with catalogues? If yes, does this catalog understand, for instance, the ratings Ihave give to a picture in a session? Thanks in advance!
There are two ways to do this, Oyvind. 1) You can import the session into your master catalog, which will reference the session without moving its location or altering it in any way. The imported images will have all their adjustments included. If, however, you subsequently make further edits to the same image from within the catalog or within the original session, those changes will not be synchronized between the two (separate databases are involved which do not communicate). So, if say you make changes afterwards in the session, you would have to reimport the session, or the particular image, to see those changes reflected in the catalog and vice versa (that is, if you decide to further edit the images in the catalog, those edits will not be reflected in the original session). 2) A simpler way to manage this is, once you're done working within the session, import it to the master catalog, then drag and drop the images you want into whatever destination folder you desire, or create a new one, with the Library tool. This time the images themselves are moved, along with their adjustments, and you can safely delete the session altogether or merely maintain it as an archive backup somewhere. That's what I do. That way all your images and any subsequent edits are consolidated in just one place. Just remember *not* to delete your session until you've moved the files somewhere else, so that C1 knows where to find them. Lots of ways to skin this cat and a ton of tricks and tips. Some people, conversely, prefer to continue editing within their sessions and use a global catalog instead as their final archive. Highly recommend you watch a few of David Grover's in-depth videos on Organizing with Sessions/Catalogs in Capture One. This topic comes up again and again, and because C1's asset management is so immensely powerful it's sometimes hard to get your head around it all at once.
@@randall8496 Sounds very smart to have a Master Catalog on an external hard drive, I have a new one, think I'll reserve this hard drive just for a Master Catalog, and store the Sessions on two other external hard drives. Will never dare to delete the Sessions, sounds too scary, but with three back-ups I'll from now have one hard-drive with a Master Catalog, to drop my Sessions into, and two other hard drives where I store the Sessions themselves.
But if I go back to an image later, I think I'll continue to edit it in the Sessions. So I'll have two hard drives at home inside, one with the Master Catalog and one with Sessions for further editing, and one hard drive outside with Sessions I don't edit further, just an outside storage in case of fire.
But as I organize everything with date, I can then first search up an image in the Master Catalog, and thereafter find the correct Session on my other external harddrive, to continue editing the image there.
The advocates of sessions are always very convincing and indeed this workflow has several advantages. But at least two important aspects of catalogs are often overlooked. First, that CO includes simple means to backup catalogs and it can be done e.g. at the end of every working day. And secondly, with catalogs you can organize your archive into a real database, where it is possible to search images by keywords and descriptions, which cannot be done over multiple sessions.
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I only recently (too late actually) discovered your channel and WOW, that's what I was looking for. Tons of value, and super clear explanations for all the topics covered. All I can say is Thanks! and Respect! Kudos to you.
Back to the topic. As a recent Fuji shooter, I used to use C1 express Fuji, which is a great free tool for 'post' beginners. But one of the reasons for which I recently upgraded to C1 pro is precisely the 'session' feature (which doesn't exist in the free version). The ability to consider each and every set of photo shoots as a separate database is just awesome and clever, and the possibility to have a logical naming structure for all the sessions is just sooo efficient (and complies to my actual file organization ;) ).
Just have to figure out yet how to get the best of both worlds.
Thank you for a clear and concise presentation -- very helpful!
That's it Kasia. I'm now a devoted fan...excellent explanation and you're not affraid to dig the subjet.
You just convinced me to use Sessions.
Thank you for the explanations.
You do a good job explaining stuff. I have subscribed and will binge your old videos 😎
Thanks Nene :)
You convinced me to move to Sessions right away, just to think about Catalogs already makes me fearful, and it's just 10 minutes since I watched your video. And so much easier to work with, just to drag maps around as you like, and never loose data. I'll never look back!
Hi Øyvind! Good to see you back :) Hahahaha, well, that wasn't my intention. Surely there are plenty of people who are happy with Catalogs. I just find that for a photographer who focuses on personal projects the Session structure allows plenty of flexibility. Read Randall's comment - he suggests a hybrid approach that might be worth trying out too.
Thank you for this!
You should keep posting videos ! They are great and very helpful !
This was an amazing explanation thank you.
Sorry to notice that you're not making videos anymore, our loss.
Informative. I have used Catalog since I migrated from Lightroom to Capture One a couple of years ago. However, I have not had problems with my catalogs until Capture One 21 where I had experienced a corrupted database twice within a month. Good thing though the "verify and repair" function worked as intended. I was able to restore the damaged catalog. Notwithstanding, I might give the session a try.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts Ong Taik Kheng! I guess Catalog is the smoothest transition for people who are coming from Lightroom. "Corrupted database" sounds horrific to me. In computer world anything can happen, I prefer to keep my "eggs" in different baskets, since I don't need to manage the images with keywords.
Thank you!
I usually import into a desk top folder. The problem I’ve been having is if I later on move that folder to another drive and then work from there C1 tells me it’s missing. The process of using locate file frankly doesn’t work. I’ll have a play with sessions and go from there. Thanks.
Hi Kaisa, I use the catalog but a session has always been appealing to for the reasons you mention in your well explained video. My question for you is, do you still use a single catalog that has all your sessions imported? If yes, what is your experience with this and do you have tips on how to combine the best of both worlds? Lot’s of greetings, Dennis 🇳🇱
I think out of all the videos i have seen. The first person to explain how the files are located and how this really works in the background. For me this is very important. The question i have is how do you browse various sessions at the same time. Seems to me that catalog permits this but it is impossible in sessions. I am not working on projects all the time. And sometimes just want to jump from different years and look at older stuff.
Kasia, You are very good to explain how things work. For example this session. I'm impressed. 💕
Thank you Hakan! 🙏🏻
I'm sorry I cannot agree. You didn't show how to create a catalog or how to create a session, what to press and which settings to choose, I still don't know how to do it after watching this quite a lengthy tutorial. All I understood is that I'm using catalog, but I have no idea how to use sessions.
Thank you for a very Informative video. I changed to Capture 1 from Lightroom last year and immediately started a C1 catalog as it was similar to the LR process; my catalog holds about 35k images. The potential of using sessions either exclusively or in tandem with a catalog is quite intriguing to me. I keep my master catalog on my desktop computer at home and use another catalog on a laptop to save and process photos during my travels. After my trips I merge the catalog and photos from the laptop with my master catalog on the desktop. I haven't quite master the merging process very well and have messed up a couple of times and had to restore catalogs from a backup ( luckily I do backup religiously). I am wondering if it makes sense to use sessions on my laptop when travelling and then somehow transferring the sessions into my master catalog back home. Is this even possible, I wonder. Thx again.
Thank you for sharing your workflow, *please read comment under this video started by Randall* . He describes in detail the "hybrid" approach - sessions for working on the go and as the last step importing selected photos into master catalog.
love your video
Hi Kasia: Thanks for creating and sharing your knowledge of C1. Can you clarify if edits within C1 could be stored on .xmp sidecard files as a protection against the possibility of corrupted C1 Catalogue? Thanks, Keith
Wow. Super helpful. I have about 40,000 images now stored on two hard drives (one main, one backup). My photos are organized into separate folders and labeled by date and subject. How complicated would that be to migrate to C1? If I created a session for each of my existing folders, where would my Capture One session adjustments reside? Would I drop that Capture One session folder in each of my existing photo folders that I have already created? The organizing part sounds much more complicated than the actual photo editing part! Thanks for you help!
Takie pytanie po latach 😀 czy w przypadku sesji, tez będzie można odszukać zdjęcie po słowach kluczach i tagach? Chodzi mi o to, ze jak wpiszesz słowo klucz „Kraków” czy szuka w całym capture one? W sensie przeszukuje katalog i sesje?
Well sessions....here I come!!
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Cześć, czy jest szansa na Twoje poradniki w języku polskim lub chociaż napisy pod wideo? :)
Thanks.
You’re welcome Mick!
I have "Windows experience" for 10 years... :) That's why i have a session in CO and remote editing via help of Synology. Very convenient !!
Thanks for the tips Michael!
Quick question: Kasia, if we post comments or questions on videos released months ago, will you still see them or is it preferable to confine things to the most recent videos?
Hi Randall, probably the best idea would be to comment on new videos - that way you will have a chance to get more feedback from other viewers. I should see every comment in my Yt panel, no matter where it was posted.
By the way - I've recently discovered the "held for review" tab in my comments section on YT. At times algorithm is putting on hold some comments, for various reasons. I've found over there two comments written by you - just want to let you know that finally I've seen them and replied. Sorry about the delay ☺️
Hello! Moved to Capture One because of the "Sessions" option. Just 1 question, how to you take a back up of the database file? Thanks!
Hi Anish, it seems that there is no backup feature for Sessions in C1. So the option is to store at least another copy of your session on a different hard drive / cloud. In Sessions the adjustments are stored in separate files for each image, so I'm assuming the best idea is to create a backup copy of the entire session.
@@KasiaZmokla बहुत बहुत धन्यवाद :)
@@anishdesai995 कृपया नीचे दिए गए टिप्पणियों को रान्डेल द्वारा लाल करें। बहुत बढ़िया सलाह!
@@KasiaZmokla :) very good advise from Randall!!
Hi Kasia, if you don‘t manage your images with keywords and don’t use a catalog, how can you ever find a certain photo within all your sessions? Thank you!
Hi Jorg, I use sessions for all my projects, but they are nicely organised on my hard drive. I'm using a chronological arrangement which allows me to quickly locate the particular photo shoot. I use as well a very simple naming convention within the chronological order: YEAR_MONTH_LOCATION_SUBJECT. It is really all I need to find a specific image. I work nowadays only on personal projects and this system is more than enough for me. The simpler it is - the more efficiently it works.
If you have mostly commercial projects and you need to locate let's say a fashion shoot for Zara's bikinis done in Bali in 2019, then keywords might be helpful. But following my naming convention could be useful too. Hope this helps :)
@@KasiaZmokla Thank you! Much appreciated.
@@jorghahn2903 You are welcome!