Simon's ability to use fancy vocabulary while saying stupid things is remarkable. Of course, there was backlash. I know this for a fact because it was precisely why I refused to support it despite liking both Fury and Ngannou. Yes, AJ is a bigger draw because people can't imagine AJ fighting a debutant or beating up Charles Martin for a third time instead of fighting Usyk. Opponents matter. Respect shown to the sport and the fans matter.
So just so you know Eddie wanted the Ng fight, they claimed they refused to chase world titles only to refuse a world title fight. Eddie is yet again wanting Ng as Joshys next fight. Eddie is a walking contradiction who desperately wanted Joshy to fight Ng earlier this year. A debutant. Cheers
@Andrew-is7rs after he damaged fury, his no longer a debutant mate.. fury has turned novice nganou into a world beater.. it's clear u ain't a businessman, if u wer, u would know why hearn would now consider d nganou fight.. unlike fury, aj in not holding up an entire division fighting in circus shows..aj is not a champion, he can fight who he likes... but rather fury behaves lik a selfish pric, avoiding real boxers n fighting in circus show while he holds and diminishes d world title.. if u don't see d difference, tak ur head our furys ahol
@@Andrew-is7rs I hadn't even mentioned Eddie but since you have, he has never denied liking to make money or do business with the Saudi's. How is he contradicting himself? As a matter of fact I think I remember Frank being very critical of Eddie and AJ doing a show in Saudi Arabia and yet he contradicted himself and jumped at the opportunity when he had it.
@@Andrew-is7rsYou’re making their point by trying to say something against them. Yes, Eddie took the fight to AJ, but he refused because he thought it will be a money grab fight and decided he instead wanted to chase a world title route. But after Ngannou beats the No. 1, surely beating him now will push you closer to a world title because everyone just realized he’s actually skillful
Fury has a ‘cheapening’ effect. Look at his language, his suits, his budget energy drink. He is a spoiler and his effect on the division and the sport as the most vocal heavyweight champion is similar. He recognised how the WBC let Wilder move with minimal mandatories and soft touches, wanted some of that, and since he has had the strap has continued in the same vain. Neither have been good for the division with their weak resumes and reluctance to be consistently active and to get in with the majority of the other personnel in the division.
Lol. Anthony Joshua was fighting 1 mandatory every three years for each of his belts. AJ had a Cheapening Effect on the heavyweight boxing. He got battered by a fat man in the biggest upset of last 20 years. He ducked number 1 and number 2 ranked heavyweights; Fury and Wilder
The whole fury family are an embarrassment I can’t believe he and other say he’s the best ever 😮 He’s not even the best of this era it’s ridiculous he’s only beat an old klitchko and wilder and that’s it ? How ca. he be called great?
@@omabdulganiunless joshua has found his balls and is willing to engage then wilder wipes him out in a round. Joshua needs to fight in a way that he hasnt fought in about 7 years. Wilder loves guys on the defensive which is what aj would more than likely be.
Fury doesn't need Joshua any longer to prove himself a dud. Fury has proven himself a Dud without the assured loss to Joshua. Joshua would have landed 10 times more punches 👊 to sound and Blubbery Blubber Fury, signifying nothing.
Ofcourse AJs a bigger draw. Always has been. It’s the only reason fury came back from his drug ban/retirement. Boxing fans respect AJ for what he’s done for the sport and within it. Boxing fans see Fury as someone that hasn’t provided much for the sport and only takes from it.
@@jamesprynne1422your sarcasm insinuating that AJs outburst is a measurement of what he gave to the sport based on that 1 moment is ridiculous and low I.Q! 😂 grow up kid!!
@@jamesprynne1422 you sure you wanna takl about meltdowns when Fury is in the conversation? lol... the man who literally ran away from the sport for 3yrs to avoid the rematch with Wad!!!
Fury’s PPV numbers have always been low apart from the wilder 2 fight and even then the promoters struggled to break even because of their layout towards the event as a whole. Whether you like AJ or not, organically he drove numbers and money to this sport, I know he’s fallen off a bit lately after his losses to Usyk and tame comeback but if he fights wilder it will be a block buster, and if he beats wilder and fights fury after the numbers will go through the roof even further. The reality is, fury has made a lot of money off the back of AJ’s stardom, but Fury’s promoters/broadcasters haven’t seen much in terms of a profit from him.
I think Tyson Fury has ruined the heavyweight division he's divided everyone in other words he's put a spanner in the Works we the boxing fans want the best to fight the best and it's proving now that Tyson Fury is not even in the top five contenders .
No they got it wrong about the biggest PPV buys records = Mayweather vs Pacquiao got the biggest buy ever at 4.6 million followed by Mayweather vs McGregor with 4.3 million.
Talksport have 20 odd videos mocking AJ's achievements, now they're admitting he's the biggest draw!! They ignored the numbers and told everyone Fury is the "cash cow" when the truth is the only way he could get anywhere near that AJ money was to fight someone outside the sport in Saudi.. 🤷♂️
Amusing that the people on here saying AJ isn’t a draw and is irrelevant are the same people who multiple times a day EVERYDAY for years now mention him in all their comments. Even on videos that have nothing to do with him! “There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.” ~ Oscar Wilde
It’s not even a debate, hence why Joshua’s name is mentioned every single day whilst holding no belts and being “out in the cold” aj always has and always will be a bigger draw than fury
The nos were low because people have realized who Fury is and they are tired of his bad mouthing, ranting, ducking . He talked himself into hatred. Unfortunately for him, his last fight confirmed that he’s not a Champ he’s claiming. I’m afraid, his fight against Usyk might even do a lesser no. Fury has lost his face and fans. Let’s move on
Nah usyk actually sells PPVs and tickets where as fury’s been a hard sell his entire career even around the time when he fought KKO. He struggled to sell 2k tickets at the MEN for the fight he was supposed to have with Alexander Ustinov and he pulled out of the fight. The traveller community aren’t properly behind him and neither are the U.K. audience. I called it months before fury fought ngannou that Francis never did more than 300k in UFC and fury’s last fight did 600k with chisora that this fight wouldn’t do 500k buys.
Why are you afraid of the numbers being low? Isn't boxing a sport? If it is a legit sport, then Fury should fight Usyk. Or Fury should vacate so that Usyk has the chance at becoming undisputed.
@@HisExcellencyB when his country is at war you mean and most of the refugees In Poland will be women children and old people and he still sold 40k tickets in a country not his own. Usyk did 1.2 million PPV buys last time he was on PPV.
In an analysis of the percieved top 4 isn't it amazing how Joshua, Fury, and Usyk can be said to be in decline or off form. Nothing about Wilder. He gets a gimme because he the best to choose from in the US. If he was any other nationality he'd already be in everyones rear view mirror. Wilder is the luckiest man in Boxing! He has one good win on his resume in Ortiz. He has won just one fight since 2019, and flipped his lid with crazy accusations, bitterness, and delusion after Fury fight ever since. Yet sits on his couch waiting for pay day. Simon doesnt mention loss of form, not being on the slide, or him being mentally weak or lost it unlike all the other fighters being drawn into question. Basically Simon is part of a group of people who got swindled by the big lie put in place to turn Wilder into a big PPV star. So all connected (includimg media) could benefit from trickle down. A plan firstly dragging Joshuas name through the mud (because at that time Joshua was the only show in town) and then beating Fury. Nothing on paper added up to Wilder and Fury being no1 and 2 and a fight would determine who was best in the World. Marketing filled the massive holes in the tale, and that is what was sold over the 3 fights. Based on nothing other than words some even had it Wilder, Fury, and then Ortiz top 3 for a time around the first fight?!?! Then Fury scuppered the party. He wasn't as bad as expected after time out the ring and won. So Fury signed with American base Toprank and the media were happy to insert Furys name where they wanted Wilders to be. Now Simon is changing his tune really based on the fall in his relationship with Fury. Before he was blinded by bias.
@@kippsguitar6539and on heart medication, himself not beating anyone to prove he’s a top 5/10 fighter. He couldn’t get Scott out of there. Once fighters retire, it usually takes about 10 years for people to truly comprehend and look at a fighters career objectively. Lewis for instance wasn’t appreciated at all when he was fighting, but no you’ll find him on the majority of boxing fans top 5 heavyweights of all time. Once Wilder’s retired and the hype has gone, he’ll be seen as a paper champion who beat nobody of note
AJ fans are sh**tig on Wilder because he will destroy GayJay. If Wilder is a bum, why AJ is ducking him for 7 years. He is still crying about his back and wants more tune ups before Wilder retires him🤣
@Anonymous-bb8mg To still believe that at this point you have to be a simpleton. Or simply happy to go along with the lies. Wilder even admitted in a message on twitter to Fury. "You know I was offered more money to fight Joshua than I was getting to fight you".
Anthony Joshua has always been the biggest draw in Boxing in the last 8yrs. Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder built a career by using his name to build their profile. I made a video on this a little while back. Everything is now coming to the surface. Ben Whittaker is the next Anthony Joshua.
I think fury could have pulled large ppv numbers if he didn’t always talk nonsense people are just getting fed up with his lies and it reflects on his numbers really think its that simple
Fury has to eat humble pie now and that writer Rick Broadbent is right Fury legacy is destroyed forever and will never be taken seriously as a ATG that would have never happened to Lewis,Klitch,Ali etc.
The public told ye, fury announced the fight with usyk because the numbers were looking bad, but the public saw through furys bs and knew he would duck usyk regardless and didn't buy it. All the suppose experts told us it would definitely happen in December with usyk and like we said fury ducked usyk again
Obviously joshua has more pull than fury. AJ has a total of 22 million ppv buys sold whereas fury has only 4 million and has been boxing for longer than AJ
No one knows who AJ is in the United States! Hearn still can’t make the Wilder fight after 6 years of trying but Fury made made 3 fights with him in 2 minutes of trying
A whole lot of this makes sense when these guys from 2017 realize that Tyson Fury is NOT the number one heavyweight in their sport. He's really considered a semi-retired fighter. 2 years ago he looked terrible against Dillian Whyte and that was accused of being an Exhibition. since then he's only had a Sparing Demo against Chisora dubbed 'the least wanted bout on earth' even though it was just hard sparring demo. what is so surprisingly when he's not Usyk, hes not even Zhang or Joyce who actually fought other top 5 rivals. Its not 2016 anymore.
Deontay Wilders PPV numbers in the USA are far from impressive.. The biggest fight regarding ppv numbers would be AJ vs. Either Fury or Wilder. But looking at past numbers. AJ would carry the event and the numbers
Imagine doing this for a living, and in your first 4 minutes getting the facts wrong on something you're trying to have an intellectual conversation about.
I used to be a big Fury fan boy - His charisma, the press conferences, the way he came back from where he got to after Klitschko - AJ was the Matchroom/Sky manufactured, fake roadman - trying to sell himself as a role model.. The past 12 months I've come to the realisation I was wrong. Fury is crass, can give it but can't take it, classless, avoids everyone and has become very tedious. Out of the two give me AJ anyday.
In terms of 10 biggest UK boxing PPV Joshua has had 5 of the biggest (3 of which being the biggest)..Fury isn’t even in the list! 1 Anthony Joshua vs Joseph Parker - 1.832m 2 Anthony Joshua vs Wladimir Klitschko - 1.631m 3 Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz 2 - 1.575m 4 David Haye vs Tony Bellew - 1.529m 5 Anthony Joshua vs Alexander Povetkin - 1.247m 6 Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 1.232m 7 Wladimir Klitschko vs. David Haye - 1.170m 8 Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Ricky Hatton - 1.150m 9 Oleksandr Usyk vs. Dereck Chisora Sky Box Office - 1.059m 10 Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Conor McGregor - 1m
Simon, you're on record as saying the Frank Warrens (your mate) feet would be held to the fire post Fury v Ngannou to provide a date for the unification fight - we're are you with that now. Taken a step back after the joke ppv figures and the fact Fury got a pasting? AJ has and aways will be more popular than Fury😉
Tyson is finished!.. Francis is the man of the moment and rightly so!.. tyson was a greedy showman!.. I think he will not come back from this, unless there is a MASSIVE Purse involved.. Uysk is the man I feel sorry for.
This is nothing to do with the platform and everything to do with Fury's mouth. We're all so fed up with Fury ducking fights and taking pay to win fights instead of boxing real opponents
I think the heavyweight division at the minute is as interesting as it’s ever been. Not the best ever but very very interesting. So many upsets and so many potential match ups. You’ve got Fury AJ Usyk Wilder Zhang Joyce Dubois Ruiz and may as well throw Ngannou in there too. So many contrasting styles and bloated fight records that it’s hard to pick winners
Aj is and still is way bigger than fury. Fury has never cracked a mill ppv 😅 Aj done 1.7 with vlad not even comparable. Even the Andy Ruiz fight done 600k at 5 am
Tyson isn’t in the same league as AJ as a draw. Tyson’s confirmed PPV buys total in 5 fights is 4.8 mil. If we believe the rumours, it’s sub 5 mil in 6 fights. For context, Usyk, who Tyson accuses of being unknown and irrelevant has made just shy of 4.5 mil in 4 fights. So Usyk average’s more per fight. Anthony Joshua has 14.6 million PPV buys. There are multiple AJ fights that have drawn around 1.5 million. AJ is an exponentially larger draw and it’s not close. If you take AJ’s three biggest buy rates, they eclipse Tyson’s disclosed career total. Fact is, Tyson gets a lot of attention, he grabs headlines and social media mentions, but people don’t pay to watch him fight.
if joshua fought ngannou it would have done massive numbers. its becasue fury talks a load of crap abot what hes doing, when hes doing it and ends up not doing any of it. Im not keen on fury or joshua but a lot of fans are sick of fury now
Because of the non fighting between the top HW fighters, I think people are losing interest. John and Tyson's behaviour is embarrassing and turns people off them. Fury is on the decline and usyk will beat him, I think fury usyk fight won't happen. They keep saying it's signed, but I have no trust in it.
Fury was on track to be more popular that AJ. Then decided to take the p!$$ out of the fans and they turned on him. Simple as. People aren't as stupid as Fury and Warren think they are.
i see simon and spencer is sitting back on bricktops shoulders again..warren claimed this was the biggest global event hes ever promoted and was expecting 2 million buys..we see you simon we see you spencer..
fury has never been a bigger draw than AJ.fury aint done himself any favours with his behaviour.Any ppv involving fury i wouldn't buy .AJ vs Wilder im all over that .
The event was aired at 1-6pm in the states. On a Saturday. Was never going to sell well there. If that fight was in vegas at a US friendly time.. it would of sold 700k+ imo.
Nice of them to cite their sources as I was the one who brought them numbers to RUclips 😂😂 as I said before the Saudis won’t care about the financial loss but they will care about the numbers as that’s eyes on Saudi, and the eyes on Saudi in the main markets of UK and US was low, so they’ll be upset about that
Only you guys think Fury is the best HW in boxing 😂 everybody around the world think differently, now you see the outcomes and you guys are surprised really. When you fight good opponents the results will show. No wonder AJ remains the HW cash cow and also one of the best HW boxers of his ere.
Well they used to kiss fury ass all day but he says he doesn’t need them at all anymore so they drowning him now. It’s all fair. Time he learnt the power of media. All the shine about to come off
Like aj was beat by a better boxer but don't ever for get that aj ko usyk with in one round if that PUNSH lands right and aj really goes for it as I belive aj got told to many times he as to drag the fight out and get rounds under his belt
Simon now saying Joshua cv is better than fury’s after the last few years saying it was fury’s that was better… all of a sudden fury’s banned him and Simon has changed his mind… 😂😂😂 come on lads sort it out
Jordan is a turncoat. Fury doesn’t like him now, so he’s scrambling for a new side to hitch his subjective journalism to and fire back at Tyson. Those AJ PPV figures are not new; over the course of their careers AJ has outperformed Fury across PPV. Yet, over the last few years of his Fury brown-nosing and AJ bashing he conveniently forgot that. Or worse, missed the fact.
aj is just watchable and had a mission to get to the top and do the right things and fight the best, fury's fights are always sort of weird and seem scammy but both are great fighters on their day
I'm suprised with this being a youtube media channel they didnt take into consideration the build up and marketing in comparison. The build up to Mayweather vs Mcgregor was phenomenal, world tours, social media wipeouts it was hilarious. Fury vs Ngannu was non existent.
Ppl wanted to see floyd vs McGregor, as ter was beef with Conor fans thinking he was d best fighter in d world .. at that time Conor was on d up and floyd was retired, so som fools taught Conor had a chance. Floyd held no title and was not avoiding real challengers, so he could fight who he wanted. Ter wer numerous factors which made that fight big..here we hav fury, current world champion, who has numerous guys in line , zhang, aj, usyk, hergovic, Sanchez, bakole etc etc..he does not fight any off them in d last 3 years, and makes a fight against nganou.. fans are not stupid, we want to see big fights, not circus shows..if fury wanted circus shows, fine, just drop d title and maybe then we will be interested in clown shows, but right now his disrespecting fans and enriching himself..he is doing nothing for boxing fans .. not sure what ppl are fans of cos fury ain't Givin them anytin
No it was also a circus but both were hugely popular and in Mayweathers case was virtually retired and had given up his belts. Both events were about money and the ability to extract it from gullible fools.
People dont want the so called lineal champion and best boxer of this era doing stupid cross over fights we want to see him fighting for the undisputed and defending his belt against the top 10, and he has paid for it he got made to look stupid
No matter what opinions we hear and the recent PPV figures that has recently been released between TF and FN …. The intrigue in a rematch because of the split decision, figures would hit the roof ….?? And rightly so … FN won the fight, the time they gave for TF to recover, the elbow in the 6th round I believe, that should have been a point deducted….. TOTAL FIX …. IF TF thinks he’s the man, then PROVE IT ….. but of course TF has not fought AJ, USYK, HRGOVIC, ZHANG, not even Joe Joyce, just because Zhang was successful in both fights THAT does not prove anything …?? TF talks a good game WITHOUT PROVING IT ….. MOST protected HW in the division….
Huge fighter purses started with Mike Tyson. Making 20-40 million a fight. Purses like that are going to end with Tyson Fury. There is no one left to pay these boxers that kind of money besides the Saudi’s. After a few events like this, the Saudi’s won’t be interested anymore.
Honest answer What would the reaction be the reaction if that was aj vs ngannu and he scraped thru like fury did. I think nobody would look for excuses like an off day or under estimated. He would of got slaughtered and told to retire. Then with the ppv numbers on top!
We are only having this debate about who is the real cash cow because what Fury has done is close the gap from where he was before the Wilder fights till now, relative to AJ. However, AJ is still heads and tails above Fury because he captivates the casual audience!
Fury is still the real cash cow. He made 50 million from Ngannou fight, can earn 200 million from the undisputed. Joshua vs Helenius wasn't even a PPV fight😂
The difference between The Fury fight compared to The Mayweather one, is .. Ppl were tuning in to watch Mayweather lose ...not a lot of ppl thought Ngannou had a chance, so different expectations
Fury unfortunately chose the easier option in Francis instead of fighting Usyk, and then actually got beat up by a novice boxer. Tyson made a massive blunder there, hopefully he can dust himself off and come better next time. I really hope his not finished as it would be a shame to a great career
Simon 'I'm switching allegiances because Fury has banned me' Jordan. Lets have a sense of perspective to help things along. Joshua has just failed to sell out the 02, a small arena by his standards in his own city. He was scheduled to fight Dillian Whyte in the 02 arena, and at the point of the late replacement it still wasnt sold out. Fury vs whyte just under a year prior sold out wembley with a record crowd and couldve sold it out twice. My position in the queue for tickets on day one was over 160k. That fight was the highest grossing ppv of that year beating AJ vs Usyk, and whyte did zero promotion. Fury vs wilder 2 did 800k buys in the usa alone, when does wilder ever without fury get numbers even close to that? The other 2 fights in that trilogy did 600k and 700k in usa alone respectively. How many did aj vs ruiz do on AJs american debut? We also only ever get eddie hearns word for all AJs ppv numbers, it was matchroom not Sky that provided this detail. As for the fury vs ngannou numbers, lets see if the real figures get released, and more importantly the UK. Im not sure how reputable a wrestling journalist that is friends with Dana White is as a source for the american numbers either. But accepted an exhibition is a hard ppv sell. To suggest Fury vs Usyk for undisputed, the fight the whole world wants to see and has for a long time, wont be as big as aj vs wilder is as disingenuous as it is stupid. Aj vs wilder is massive yes, but theres only one fight that would potentially rival fury vs usyk and thats fury vs aj. I do accept fully that AJ is a big draw. Most of his fans are armchair fans not hardcore boxing fans so there's an explanation for why his ppv could be healthier than his recent ticket sales. They are a very fickle bunch and a lot stopped watching him as soon as he lost. But to suggest he's bigger than Fury in this day and age is simply silly, he was massive for a time while fury was out but that time has gone A final point, boxing on the sky platform is enormous compared to any other. Joshua hasnt come close to his old numbers since he left sky, fury fights on tnt sports, which is one channel out of 900 on sky. Put that into perspective in terms of platform. Unless you sit and watch tnt sports regularly you arent going to see fights advertised unless you're on youtube a lot
Love the show Simon & Spencer. Given the heavy weight division s still in a bit of a state of flux what division could replace it in 2024 as the one to look out for?
I’d say the Heavyweight division was soundly replaced by many other divisions this year already. For 2024 the Lightweight division still looks spicy if the right fights can be made. As for keeping an eye on living legends obviously Bud Crawford and Inoue are making history right now. Lots to look forward to while the HW crowd sort their sh*t out.
@@alexreid4131100% agree, the boxing community don’t care as much about heavyweights anymore it seems. I feel the heavyweights are an attraction to the broader casual public for big guys with big knockouts. The smaller weight classes are better skills, better fights and more fights especially.
@@mercuriusmc213 agreed. The HW division doesn’t have enough guys right now focused on making history. For all the flak AJ gets it’s clear that he does actually want belts and I think Usyk’s focus is very clear which is to be the first guy in the four belt era to be Undisputed at Cruiserweight and Heavyweight. I’d love to know if Fury cares about legacy but you just never know with him and it’s that lackluster approach that has permeated the division right now I feel. Stupid money fights and looooooong layoffs. Some of the lighter divisions have really hungry guys right now who genuinely want to be legends.
As a boxing fan, I want to see fury Vs usyk, these are the two best heavyweights out there. The best skilled and tactical. AJ Vs wilder is a shootout (that wilder wins IMO) both these fights will be good fights to watch for different reasons but fury/usyk is far the bigger fight for boxing regardless of what makes more money
Before this fight all of Tysons fanboys were repeating the same mantra ‘ nobody knows who he is’, remember when Fury was trying to lowball and duck his way out of the ‘Wembley fight’ and justify boxing a novice 😂. I put it in commas because it was never going to be at Wembley but Fury pulled the wool over peoples eyes which ended up backfiring gloriously.
Simon is just so unbelievably biased in favour of Fury- they both are just boot lickers. Fury simply has no draw and has nothing to do with the crossover fights. As others have been successful.
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Simon's ability to use fancy vocabulary while saying stupid things is remarkable. Of course, there was backlash. I know this for a fact because it was precisely why I refused to support it despite liking both Fury and Ngannou. Yes, AJ is a bigger draw because people can't imagine AJ fighting a debutant or beating up Charles Martin for a third time instead of fighting Usyk. Opponents matter. Respect shown to the sport and the fans matter.
So just so you know Eddie wanted the Ng fight, they claimed they refused to chase world titles only to refuse a world title fight.
Eddie is yet again wanting Ng as Joshys next fight.
Eddie is a walking contradiction who desperately wanted Joshy to fight Ng earlier this year. A debutant.
Cheers
@Andrew-is7rs after he damaged fury, his no longer a debutant mate.. fury has turned novice nganou into a world beater.. it's clear u ain't a businessman, if u wer, u would know why hearn would now consider d nganou fight.. unlike fury, aj in not holding up an entire division fighting in circus shows..aj is not a champion, he can fight who he likes... but rather fury behaves lik a selfish pric, avoiding real boxers n fighting in circus show while he holds and diminishes d world title.. if u don't see d difference, tak ur head our furys ahol
@@Andrew-is7rs I hadn't even mentioned Eddie but since you have, he has never denied liking to make money or do business with the Saudi's. How is he contradicting himself? As a matter of fact I think I remember Frank being very critical of Eddie and AJ doing a show in Saudi Arabia and yet he contradicted himself and jumped at the opportunity when he had it.
Who were Joshua's last two opponents and who's he fighting next?
@@Andrew-is7rsYou’re making their point by trying to say something against them. Yes, Eddie took the fight to AJ, but he refused because he thought it will be a money grab fight and decided he instead wanted to chase a world title route. But after Ngannou beats the No. 1, surely beating him now will push you closer to a world title because everyone just realized he’s actually skillful
Fury has a ‘cheapening’ effect. Look at his language, his suits, his budget energy drink. He is a spoiler and his effect on the division and the sport as the most vocal heavyweight champion is similar. He recognised how the WBC let Wilder move with minimal mandatories and soft touches, wanted some of that, and since he has had the strap has continued in the same vain. Neither have been good for the division with their weak resumes and reluctance to be consistently active and to get in with the majority of the other personnel in the division.
So you don't like him then ?
Money doesn't buy you class.
Lol. Anthony Joshua was fighting 1 mandatory every three years for each of his belts. AJ had a Cheapening Effect on the heavyweight boxing. He got battered by a fat man in the biggest upset of last 20 years. He ducked number 1 and number 2 ranked heavyweights; Fury and Wilder
The whole fury family are an embarrassment I can’t believe he and other say he’s the best ever 😮 He’s not even the best of this era it’s ridiculous he’s only beat an old klitchko and wilder and that’s it ? How ca. he be called great?
this just isn't true.@@Anonymous-bb8mg
I'm a big boxing fan, and although Fury and Uysk are the best boxers in the heavyweight division, I'd much rather watch AJ against Wilder.
Did you not watch AJ’s last two fights. Boring waste of money.
@@sb1980s styles make fights. AJ and Wilder are perfect for each other
@@omabdulgani if it happens I’ll be buying.
Fury isn’t the best. He’s not proved it. He’s only fought one boxer who is in the top 10.
@@omabdulganiunless joshua has found his balls and is willing to engage then wilder wipes him out in a round.
Joshua needs to fight in a way that he hasnt fought in about 7 years.
Wilder loves guys on the defensive which is what aj would more than likely be.
Fury's ego has deluded him in thinking that he was a star. These PPV figures proves that he needs AJ.
Fury need Bodybuilder that cant even sell out O2 Arena nice joke
@@9icoFury couldn't even sell out York Hall.
He doesn't need joshua cause his promoters are paying him way over his actual worth
@@TimothyRice135sold out Wembley 😂😂😂 biggest attendance ever what are you on
Fury doesn't need Joshua any longer to prove himself a dud. Fury has proven himself a Dud without the assured loss to Joshua. Joshua would have landed 10 times more punches 👊 to sound and Blubbery Blubber Fury, signifying nothing.
AJ finally getting his flowers. AJ is the biggest star with the best CV in the division. Always has been, as long as he is around he will be.
I think Joshua v Fury would have the better build up but for sheer fireworks Joshua v Wilder would be a hell of a fight!
Luke’s actually mentally weaker than Joshua now 😂
@@Dan-qk3mt Who’s Luke?
@@yourmumsy1081he’s the bag of milk that had to Rob Ngannou on his boxing debut
@z388zhe’s probably still on a drink and drugs binge.
@@Dan-qk3mthe always makes comebacks and gets up unlike joshua who throws baby tantrums and argues with his own fans😂😂😂
Frank is right. This was definitely a GAME CHANGER. poor ppv, fury gets beat, a historic legacy changing sale for boxing!
Yep !
Look how his tune has changed since Fury said he doesn't want talksport at his events! 😅
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Ofcourse AJs a bigger draw. Always has been. It’s the only reason fury came back from his drug ban/retirement. Boxing fans respect AJ for what he’s done for the sport and within it. Boxing fans see Fury as someone that hasn’t provided much for the sport and only takes from it.
One million percent 🥊🥊👍👍
Yeah ajs meltdown after the usyk fight shown in volume what he’s done for the sport 🙄
@@jamesprynne1422your sarcasm insinuating that AJs outburst is a measurement of what he gave to the sport based on that 1 moment is ridiculous and low I.Q! 😂 grow up kid!!
@@jamesprynne1422 you sure you wanna takl about meltdowns when Fury is in the conversation? lol... the man who literally ran away from the sport for 3yrs to avoid the rematch with Wad!!!
@@Nemoticon hardly he is the man that beat vlad and beat wilder after aj ducked him for years so…..
Fury’s PPV numbers have always been low apart from the wilder 2 fight and even then the promoters struggled to break even because of their layout towards the event as a whole. Whether you like AJ or not, organically he drove numbers and money to this sport, I know he’s fallen off a bit lately after his losses to Usyk and tame comeback but if he fights wilder it will be a block buster, and if he beats wilder and fights fury after the numbers will go through the roof even further. The reality is, fury has made a lot of money off the back of AJ’s stardom, but Fury’s promoters/broadcasters haven’t seen much in terms of a profit from him.
He's always Been a dull spoil , grab n jab boxer in the ring.
And how exactly do you know this? 😂 spouting all this off with no numbers to back it up
@@brianmason8059who’s AJ been knocking over recently/last 8 fights?
@@ADEOLADEEBOwhat has AJ got to do with Fury going life and death with a novice?
@@Cayo737can you prove him wrong?
I think Tyson Fury has ruined the heavyweight division he's divided everyone in other words he's put a spanner in the Works we the boxing fans want the best to fight the best and it's proving now that Tyson Fury is not even in the top five contenders .
No they got it wrong about the biggest PPV buys records = Mayweather vs Pacquiao got the biggest buy ever at 4.6 million followed by Mayweather vs McGregor with 4.3 million.
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Talksport have 20 odd videos mocking AJ's achievements, now they're admitting he's the biggest draw!! They ignored the numbers and told everyone Fury is the "cash cow" when the truth is the only way he could get anywhere near that AJ money was to fight someone outside the sport in Saudi.. 🤷♂️
Now, someone with sense
Spencers a yes man already saying yeah yeah before Simon has finished
Amusing that the people on here saying AJ isn’t a draw and is irrelevant are the same people who multiple times a day EVERYDAY for years now mention him in all their comments. Even on videos that have nothing to do with him! “There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.” ~ Oscar Wilde
It’s not even a debate, hence why Joshua’s name is mentioned every single day whilst holding no belts and being “out in the cold” aj always has and always will be a bigger draw than fury
Joshua Couldn't sell out the 02 his last two fights but at least his next fight is rumoured for Wembley
.....Arena
The nos were low because people have realized who Fury is and they are tired of his bad mouthing, ranting, ducking . He talked himself into hatred. Unfortunately for him, his last fight confirmed that he’s not a Champ he’s claiming. I’m afraid, his fight against Usyk might even do a lesser no.
Fury has lost his face and fans. Let’s move on
Nah usyk actually sells PPVs and tickets where as fury’s been a hard sell his entire career even around the time when he fought KKO. He struggled to sell 2k tickets at the MEN for the fight he was supposed to have with Alexander Ustinov and he pulled out of the fight. The traveller community aren’t properly behind him and neither are the U.K. audience. I called it months before fury fought ngannou that Francis never did more than 300k in UFC and fury’s last fight did 600k with chisora that this fight wouldn’t do 500k buys.
I agree. Tyson has talked himself out of a lot of fans through being an unpleasant person half the time.
Why are you afraid of the numbers being low? Isn't boxing a sport? If it is a legit sport, then Fury should fight Usyk. Or Fury should vacate so that Usyk has the chance at becoming undisputed.
@@selectivevisions Usyk couldn't sell out in Poland when the tickets were 11 euros
@@HisExcellencyB when his country is at war you mean and most of the refugees In Poland will be women children and old people and he still sold 40k tickets in a country not his own. Usyk did 1.2 million PPV buys last time he was on PPV.
In an analysis of the percieved top 4 isn't it amazing how Joshua, Fury, and Usyk can be said to be in decline or off form. Nothing about Wilder. He gets a gimme because he the best to choose from in the US. If he was any other nationality he'd already be in everyones rear view mirror. Wilder is the luckiest man in Boxing! He has one good win on his resume in Ortiz. He has won just one fight since 2019, and flipped his lid with crazy accusations, bitterness, and delusion after Fury fight ever since. Yet sits on his couch waiting for pay day. Simon doesnt mention loss of form, not being on the slide, or him being mentally weak or lost it unlike all the other fighters being drawn into question. Basically Simon is part of a group of people who got swindled by the big lie put in place to turn Wilder into a big PPV star. So all connected (includimg media) could benefit from trickle down. A plan firstly dragging Joshuas name through the mud (because at that time Joshua was the only show in town) and then beating Fury. Nothing on paper added up to Wilder and Fury being no1 and 2 and a fight would determine who was best in the World. Marketing filled the massive holes in the tale, and that is what was sold over the 3 fights. Based on nothing other than words some even had it Wilder, Fury, and then Ortiz top 3 for a time around the first fight?!?! Then Fury scuppered the party. He wasn't as bad as expected after time out the ring and won. So Fury signed with American base Toprank and the media were happy to insert Furys name where they wanted Wilders to be. Now Simon is changing his tune really based on the fall in his relationship with Fury. Before he was blinded by bias.
And Ortiz was 40+
@@kippsguitar6539and on heart medication, himself not beating anyone to prove he’s a top 5/10 fighter. He couldn’t get Scott out of there.
Once fighters retire, it usually takes about 10 years for people to truly comprehend and look at a fighters career objectively. Lewis for instance wasn’t appreciated at all when he was fighting, but no you’ll find him on the majority of boxing fans top 5 heavyweights of all time.
Once Wilder’s retired and the hype has gone, he’ll be seen as a paper champion who beat nobody of note
Lets not forget, the doctor saving Wilder in the first Ortiz fight from certain defeat...
AJ fans are sh**tig on Wilder because he will destroy GayJay. If Wilder is a bum, why AJ is ducking him for 7 years. He is still crying about his back and wants more tune ups before Wilder retires him🤣
@Anonymous-bb8mg To still believe that at this point you have to be a simpleton. Or simply happy to go along with the lies. Wilder even admitted in a message on twitter to Fury. "You know I was offered more money to fight Joshua than I was getting to fight you".
Anthony Joshua has always been the biggest draw in Boxing in the last 8yrs. Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder built a career by using his name to build their profile. I made a video on this a little while back. Everything is now coming to the surface. Ben Whittaker is the next Anthony Joshua.
The next draw needs to be a HW. The casuals won't take to a smaller man like they would a HW
I watched a few of your videos. Beautifully well done. Keep it up.
Fury is getting 200 million from Saudis to fight Usyk for undisputed. Joshua couldn't get 20 million for Wilder fight
@@Anonymous-bb8mg wat kinda drugs do u fury buttlickers smoke?
Wilder vs Joshua is a career ending fight.
Furys American IP has been reduced since he was banned in the US because of the links with Daniel Kinahan which talksport never mentions.
I think fury could have pulled large ppv numbers if he didn’t always talk nonsense people are just getting fed up with his lies and it reflects on his numbers really think its that simple
Fury has to eat humble pie now and that writer Rick Broadbent is right Fury legacy is destroyed forever and will never be taken seriously as a ATG that would have never happened to Lewis,Klitch,Ali etc.
The public told ye, fury announced the fight with usyk because the numbers were looking bad, but the public saw through furys bs and knew he would duck usyk regardless and didn't buy it. All the suppose experts told us it would definitely happen in December with usyk and like we said fury ducked usyk again
AJ IS THE FACE OF HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING - BAD BOXER OR NOT
Obviously joshua has more pull than fury. AJ has a total of 22 million ppv buys sold whereas fury has only 4 million and has been boxing for longer than AJ
The numbers were low because nobody expected it to be competitive simple as that
What were the numbers for his two previous outings in the UK?
@@RBC0405 I don't Ron I don't bother finding out what ppv numbers are on every fight it doesn't matter to me as I'm not getting any of the profits
No one knows who AJ is in the United States! Hearn still can’t make the Wilder fight after 6 years of trying but Fury made made 3 fights with him in 2 minutes of trying
Where are the additional bits of the video as listed regarding pbc/netflix?
What happened to the rest of the episode? Cuts off at 17:34...
A whole lot of this makes sense when these guys from 2017 realize that Tyson Fury is NOT the number one heavyweight in their sport. He's really considered a semi-retired fighter. 2 years ago he looked terrible against Dillian Whyte and that was accused of being an Exhibition. since then he's only had a Sparing Demo against Chisora dubbed 'the least wanted bout on earth' even though it was just hard sparring demo. what is so surprisingly when he's not Usyk, hes not even Zhang or Joyce who actually fought other top 5 rivals.
Its not 2016 anymore.
Fair play to Simon giving AJ some respect finally
I agree but also it is very hard with Simon not to think he now only has this opinion because he got banned from covering Fury.
What happened to the rest of the video,,???
Deontay Wilders PPV numbers in the USA are far from impressive.. The biggest fight regarding ppv numbers would be AJ vs. Either Fury or Wilder. But looking at past numbers. AJ would carry the event and the numbers
What are Joshua's PPV numbers in the USA?
Aj never sold 1 us PPV a day in his life & wilder has sold more us PPVs than any heavyweight in 20 years. Those are facts
Imagine doing this for a living, and in your first 4 minutes getting the facts wrong on something you're trying to have an intellectual conversation about.
Let's put it simply, AJ's as a profile sells better than Tyson Fury in the box office.
Either way will this information help me in the boxing gym tonight? No.
Full episode is not there
I used to be a big Fury fan boy - His charisma, the press conferences, the way he came back from where he got to after Klitschko - AJ was the Matchroom/Sky manufactured, fake roadman - trying to sell himself as a role model.. The past 12 months I've come to the realisation I was wrong. Fury is crass, can give it but can't take it, classless, avoids everyone and has become very tedious. Out of the two give me AJ anyday.
Did Simon just say Joshua-Helenius did a million buys? The fight wasn't even PPV.
Simon lies all the time
In terms of 10 biggest UK boxing PPV Joshua has had 5 of the biggest (3 of which being the biggest)..Fury isn’t even in the list!
1 Anthony Joshua vs Joseph Parker - 1.832m
2 Anthony Joshua vs Wladimir Klitschko - 1.631m
3 Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz 2 - 1.575m
4 David Haye vs Tony Bellew - 1.529m
5 Anthony Joshua vs Alexander Povetkin - 1.247m
6 Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 1.232m
7 Wladimir Klitschko vs. David Haye - 1.170m
8 Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Ricky Hatton - 1.150m
9 Oleksandr Usyk vs. Dereck Chisora Sky Box Office - 1.059m
10 Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Conor McGregor - 1m
Aj-usyk 2 did 1.249 million ppv buys which takes 5th. Also puts usyk in the top 10 3 times yet hes only worth 30% according to fury
@@Dale-ew1ix yep!! Fury is a joke! He has Illusions of grandeur!!
Simon, you're on record as saying the Frank Warrens (your mate) feet would be held to the fire post Fury v Ngannou to provide a date for the unification fight - we're are you with that now. Taken a step back after the joke ppv figures and the fact Fury got a pasting? AJ has and aways will be more popular than Fury😉
Tyson is finished!.. Francis is the man of the moment and rightly so!.. tyson was a greedy showman!.. I think he will not come back from this, unless there is a MASSIVE Purse involved.. Uysk is the man I feel sorry for.
AJ has alway pulled the crowd but TalkSport has played that down. For Chinny Fury….
This is nothing to do with the platform and everything to do with Fury's mouth. We're all so fed up with Fury ducking fights and taking pay to win fights instead of boxing real opponents
Usyk is the biggest heavyweight in our sport. Tyson the biggest on Talksport 😂
I think the heavyweight division at the minute is as interesting as it’s ever been. Not the best ever but very very interesting. So many upsets and so many potential match ups. You’ve got Fury AJ Usyk Wilder Zhang Joyce Dubois Ruiz and may as well throw Ngannou in there too. So many contrasting styles and bloated fight records that it’s hard to pick winners
Aj is and still is way bigger than fury. Fury has never cracked a mill ppv 😅 Aj done 1.7 with vlad not even comparable. Even the Andy Ruiz fight done 600k at 5 am
Tyson isn’t in the same league as AJ as a draw. Tyson’s confirmed PPV buys total in 5 fights is 4.8 mil. If we believe the rumours, it’s sub 5 mil in 6 fights.
For context, Usyk, who Tyson accuses of being unknown and irrelevant has made just shy of 4.5 mil in 4 fights. So Usyk average’s more per fight.
Anthony Joshua has 14.6 million PPV buys. There are multiple AJ fights that have drawn around 1.5 million.
AJ is an exponentially larger draw and it’s not close. If you take AJ’s three biggest buy rates, they eclipse Tyson’s disclosed career total.
Fact is, Tyson gets a lot of attention, he grabs headlines and social media mentions, but people don’t pay to watch him fight.
if joshua fought ngannou it would have done massive numbers. its becasue fury talks a load of crap abot what hes doing, when hes doing it and ends up not doing any of it. Im not keen on fury or joshua but a lot of fans are sick of fury now
Because of the non fighting between the top HW fighters, I think people are losing interest.
John and Tyson's behaviour is embarrassing and turns people off them.
Fury is on the decline and usyk will beat him, I think fury usyk fight won't happen. They keep saying it's signed, but I have no trust in it.
Aj has and always will be a bigger draw than fury his numbers through his career has proven that and that keeps fury and frank up at night 😂🤣
Fury was on track to be more popular that AJ. Then decided to take the p!$$ out of the fans and they turned on him. Simple as. People aren't as stupid as Fury and Warren think they are.
i see simon and spencer is sitting back on bricktops shoulders again..warren claimed this was the biggest global event hes ever promoted and was expecting 2 million buys..we see you simon we see you spencer..
fury has never been a bigger draw than AJ.fury aint done himself any favours with his behaviour.Any ppv involving fury i wouldn't buy .AJ vs Wilder im all over that .
You guys have got it wrong May Paq sold more than May Mac
The event was aired at 1-6pm in the states. On a Saturday. Was never going to sell well there. If that fight was in vegas at a US friendly time.. it would of sold 700k+ imo.
I live in America I been trying to explain this to Brit’s for years & they don’t get it. You can’t air a boxing event during college football
Nice of them to cite their sources as I was the one who brought them numbers to RUclips 😂😂 as I said before the Saudis won’t care about the financial loss but they will care about the numbers as that’s eyes on Saudi, and the eyes on Saudi in the main markets of UK and US was low, so they’ll be upset about that
Joshua wilder is the money fight to make
Quality as usual boys 💙🤟
Everyone's got a firestick nowadays so 400,000 in Britain isn't actually that bad
Only you guys think Fury is the best HW in boxing 😂 everybody around the world think differently, now you see the outcomes and you guys are surprised really. When you fight good opponents the results will show. No wonder AJ remains the HW cash cow and also one of the best HW boxers of his ere.
Well they used to kiss fury ass all day but he says he doesn’t need them at all anymore so they drowning him now. It’s all fair. Time he learnt the power of media. All the shine about to come off
Joshua vs wilder is the one for sure 👌🏻
It depends who he fights. AJ vs Wilder woukd sell more than any fury fight other than AJ vs Fury.
Like aj was beat by a better boxer but don't ever for get that aj ko usyk with in one round if that PUNSH lands right and aj really goes for it as I belive aj got told to many times he as to drag the fight out and get rounds under his belt
Simon now saying Joshua cv is better than fury’s after the last few years saying it was fury’s that was better… all of a sudden fury’s banned him and Simon has changed his mind… 😂😂😂 come on lads sort it out
100% Joshua is a bigger draw than fury
Jordan is a turncoat. Fury doesn’t like him now, so he’s scrambling for a new side to hitch his subjective journalism to and fire back at Tyson. Those AJ PPV figures are not new; over the course of their careers AJ has outperformed Fury across PPV. Yet, over the last few years of his Fury brown-nosing and AJ bashing he conveniently forgot that. Or worse, missed the fact.
Simon is only saying this coz Tyson has made him excummunicado. It couldn’t be more obvious.
Excellent analysis and good facts.
Well done!
Joshua has done over a million ppv buys on multiple occasions fury has never done over 500k Joshua is a much bigger draw dramatically
Fury still no 1 tho !! And it bothers you 😊
@@NOBODY-cn6fj does not bother me at all he was just schooled and dropped by a 0 fight novice
@@nubianpiye schooled but he won tho !! Make sense fool and keep crying
@@NOBODY-cn6fj everyone knows he lost that fight. 90% of fans and fighters think he lost
@@nubianpiye how many PPV buys did Joshua's last two fights do?
Nganou already has a better resume in boxing than wilder
I actually dont mind these events being in Saudi purely because the time i can watch in UK. Better than staying up until 5am for a Vegas fight😂
3 biggest fights are all with AJ
AJ v Wilder, AJ v Ngannou and AJ v Fury
aj is just watchable and had a mission to get to the top and do the right things and fight the best, fury's fights are always sort of weird and seem scammy but both are great fighters on their day
Always has, always will
I'm suprised with this being a youtube media channel they didnt take into consideration the build up and marketing in comparison. The build up to Mayweather vs Mcgregor was phenomenal, world tours, social media wipeouts it was hilarious.
Fury vs Ngannu was non existent.
the amount of celebrities at the fury v ngannu was crazy
The fire stick wasn’t as popular back then 🫣
Ppl wanted to see floyd vs McGregor, as ter was beef with Conor fans thinking he was d best fighter in d world .. at that time Conor was on d up and floyd was retired, so som fools taught Conor had a chance. Floyd held no title and was not avoiding real challengers, so he could fight who he wanted. Ter wer numerous factors which made that fight big..here we hav fury, current world champion, who has numerous guys in line , zhang, aj, usyk, hergovic, Sanchez, bakole etc etc..he does not fight any off them in d last 3 years, and makes a fight against nganou.. fans are not stupid, we want to see big fights, not circus shows..if fury wanted circus shows, fine, just drop d title and maybe then we will be interested in clown shows, but right now his disrespecting fans and enriching himself..he is doing nothing for boxing fans .. not sure what ppl are fans of cos fury ain't Givin them anytin
No it was also a circus but both were hugely popular and in Mayweathers case was virtually retired and had given up his belts. Both events were about money and the ability to extract it from gullible fools.
@@MarcRobertson-gq2kvWow it’s was amazing wasn’t it 😂😂.
People dont want the so called lineal champion and best boxer of this era doing stupid cross over fights we want to see him fighting for the undisputed and defending his belt against the top 10, and he has paid for it he got made to look stupid
FRANK DIDNT DO THIS DEAL. SPENCER BROWN DID!
Anthony carries himself as a champion, fury carries him self as a fool and a clown. AJ is just a much likeable person? Fury is a liar and a cheat!
No matter what opinions we hear and the recent PPV figures that has recently been released between TF and FN …. The intrigue in a rematch because of the split decision, figures would hit the roof ….?? And rightly so … FN won the fight, the time they gave for TF to recover, the elbow in the 6th round I believe, that should have been a point deducted….. TOTAL FIX …. IF TF thinks he’s the man, then PROVE IT ….. but of course TF has not fought AJ, USYK, HRGOVIC, ZHANG, not even Joe Joyce, just because Zhang was successful in both fights THAT does not prove anything …?? TF talks a good game WITHOUT PROVING IT ….. MOST protected HW in the division….
Most protected after Wilder...
Yep
AJ v Wilder is the one
Huge fighter purses started with Mike Tyson. Making 20-40 million a fight. Purses like that are going to end with Tyson Fury. There is no one left to pay these boxers that kind of money besides the Saudi’s. After a few events like this, the Saudi’s won’t be interested anymore.
Honest answer What would the reaction be the reaction if that was aj vs ngannu and he scraped thru like fury did. I think nobody would look for excuses like an off day or under estimated. He would of got slaughtered and told to retire. Then with the ppv numbers on top!
We are only having this debate about who is the real cash cow because what Fury has done is close the gap from where he was before the Wilder fights till now, relative to AJ. However, AJ is still heads and tails above Fury because he captivates the casual audience!
Fury is still the real cash cow. He made 50 million from Ngannou fight, can earn 200 million from the undisputed. Joshua vs Helenius wasn't even a PPV fight😂
The difference between The Fury fight compared to The Mayweather one, is ..
Ppl were tuning in to watch Mayweather lose ...not a lot of ppl thought Ngannou had a chance, so different expectations
Anthony and wilder or really anyone will slaughter Furys pathetic numbers.
Iv got to admit the whole fury v francis has been a complete fail for quesenbury promotions.
I think this is actually worse than a genuine defeat
Fury unfortunately chose the easier option in Francis instead of fighting Usyk, and then actually got beat up by a novice boxer. Tyson made a massive blunder there, hopefully he can dust himself off and come better next time. I really hope his not finished as it would be a shame to a great career
The answer is yes. Always has
People are sick of the Furys circus . He should retire then get boxing back to real boxing not sideshows .
Fury is a disgrace and people are sick of it , we won’t be hoodwinked by Luke and bricktop anymore
People are just so tired of the Fury dossers 😂
I'd rather watch AJ vs Wilder.
Simon 'I'm switching allegiances because Fury has banned me' Jordan.
Lets have a sense of perspective to help things along.
Joshua has just failed to sell out the 02, a small arena by his standards in his own city.
He was scheduled to fight Dillian Whyte in the 02 arena, and at the point of the late replacement it still wasnt sold out.
Fury vs whyte just under a year prior sold out wembley with a record crowd and couldve sold it out twice. My position in the queue for tickets on day one was over 160k. That fight was the highest grossing ppv of that year beating AJ vs Usyk, and whyte did zero promotion.
Fury vs wilder 2 did 800k buys in the usa alone, when does wilder ever without fury get numbers even close to that?
The other 2 fights in that trilogy did 600k and 700k in usa alone respectively. How many did aj vs ruiz do on AJs american debut?
We also only ever get eddie hearns word for all AJs ppv numbers, it was matchroom not Sky that provided this detail.
As for the fury vs ngannou numbers, lets see if the real figures get released, and more importantly the UK. Im not sure how reputable a wrestling journalist that is friends with Dana White is as a source for the american numbers either. But accepted an exhibition is a hard ppv sell.
To suggest Fury vs Usyk for undisputed, the fight the whole world wants to see and has for a long time, wont be as big as aj vs wilder is as disingenuous as it is stupid. Aj vs wilder is massive yes, but theres only one fight that would potentially rival fury vs usyk and thats fury vs aj.
I do accept fully that AJ is a big draw. Most of his fans are armchair fans not hardcore boxing fans so there's an explanation for why his ppv could be healthier than his recent ticket sales. They are a very fickle bunch and a lot stopped watching him as soon as he lost. But to suggest he's bigger than Fury in this day and age is simply silly, he was massive for a time while fury was out but that time has gone
A final point, boxing on the sky platform is enormous compared to any other. Joshua hasnt come close to his old numbers since he left sky, fury fights on tnt sports, which is one channel out of 900 on sky. Put that into perspective in terms of platform. Unless you sit and watch tnt sports regularly you arent going to see fights advertised unless you're on youtube a lot
Lol so now Fury has banned Simon Jordan all of a sudden he has complaints for AJ, you cant make this stuff up 😅😂😂
Bunch of sycophants
Love the show Simon & Spencer. Given the heavy weight division s still in a bit of a state of flux what division could replace it in 2024 as the one to look out for?
Good question. Whatever weight Shakur Stevenson & Devin Haney meet at 🔥☄️
I’d say the Heavyweight division was soundly replaced by many other divisions this year already. For 2024 the Lightweight division still looks spicy if the right fights can be made. As for keeping an eye on living legends obviously Bud Crawford and Inoue are making history right now. Lots to look forward to while the HW crowd sort their sh*t out.
@@alexreid4131100% agree, the boxing community don’t care as much about heavyweights anymore it seems. I feel the heavyweights are an attraction to the broader casual public for big guys with big knockouts. The smaller weight classes are better skills, better fights and more fights especially.
@@mercuriusmc213 agreed. The HW division doesn’t have enough guys right now focused on making history. For all the flak AJ gets it’s clear that he does actually want belts and I think Usyk’s focus is very clear which is to be the first guy in the four belt era to be Undisputed at Cruiserweight and Heavyweight. I’d love to know if Fury cares about legacy but you just never know with him and it’s that lackluster approach that has permeated the division right now I feel. Stupid money fights and looooooong layoffs. Some of the lighter divisions have really hungry guys right now who genuinely want to be legends.
@@alexreid4131 clear he wants belts but turned down two title shots in 12 months?
As a boxing fan, I want to see fury Vs usyk, these are the two best heavyweights out there. The best skilled and tactical. AJ Vs wilder is a shootout (that wilder wins IMO) both these fights will be good fights to watch for different reasons but fury/usyk is far the bigger fight for boxing regardless of what makes more money
Before this fight all of Tysons fanboys were repeating the same mantra ‘ nobody knows who he is’, remember when Fury was trying to lowball and duck his way out of the ‘Wembley fight’ and justify boxing a novice 😂. I put it in commas because it was never going to be at Wembley but Fury pulled the wool over peoples eyes which ended up backfiring gloriously.
I agree mate wilder chins aj
Simon is just so unbelievably biased in favour of Fury- they both are just boot lickers. Fury simply has no draw and has nothing to do with the crossover fights. As others have been successful.