Magnum Primers?
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- This is a precision rifle primer conversation, in this case Federal, some other styles of cartridge have other factors like cup thickness changes for magnum hand gun cartridges, still use what suits you....Cheers
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I bought magnum primers because nobody had anything else. I have some test loads but you are helping me feel a little easier about me loading them when out of options.
Awesome, Cheers
Different brands are different power as well. Winchester lr primers are basically like a magnum cci or federal. Winchester lrm is the most powerful. I’ve watched a lot of guys test it
Ever since I seen the first time that you said about using a regular large rifle primerin Magnum calibers I started using the federal gold medal match large rifle primers in my 338 Lapua and you are 100% correct it's not such a sharp shove as it is a gentler start with the same end result
Thanks Allen, Cheers
I also headed this advise when Mark mentioned using regular primers, feels easier to control recoil. Thanks again.
did the same thing for my 300winmag
I live in Alaska and I shoot the .243 and I can say I use CCI 250 LRM primers and they go bang every time. In the summers I used to switch but the supply chain screwed that up for me. But I haven’t had any bad effects from it
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I have been looking for large rifle magnum primers for a year, I rang 8 shops just this week. Tonight, I decided to look into the possibility of using standard primers for my 375 H&H and yet again, you have the answers. Thanks mate.
I was seeing similar comments on forums, but hearing it here and reading the comments gives me the confidence to work with what I've got. A bit more research first.
I now see in Nick Harvey's Practical Reloading Manual that he discusses the same points. I suppose the other half a dozen reloading manuals I have also make similar points.
Thanks Man, Cheers
If it is any help I've been running the laupa small primer brass in 6.5 Creedmoor for some time now and have not had any ignition issues in temperatures down to -40C when testing specially that. It seems to be a lot easier to find the small primer brass and then small primers for it than it does sourcing the large rifle or LRM's.
Cheers from Canada!
@foonus406 good point and great results, thanks fooonus.
As a interesting side note I used magnum primers on my 243 loads once without realising my mistake, to prevent any undesirable effects I cut back the load charge by a few grains of powder ( using 87gr Hornady projectiles) worried about increased pressures and now have almost used up all of them without any issues. Cutting back the powder charge rather than wasting the primers worked out for me.
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i agree... i run a .30-06...i run Fed GMM primers....yes it does save powder..once the fire is lit by those primers...its game on....
Some time ago you mentioned using large rifle primers and I loaded some in rounds for both my 7mmRemMag and 300RUM. It was during the warmer months of summer and I could not only feel the difference between them and the magnum primers but, my groups were better. However, when I was getting ready for hunting season and went to the range, they didn't perform as good as the magnum primers did on groups. It was 23F that day and you just explained why they didn't work as good. Cold weather is hard on the ignition of powder and this is where the magnum primers excell.
Thanks Craig, Cheers
Mark, you are far more of an engineer than many people who have the piece of paper to say they are an engineer.
Lol, don't tell them that....Cheers Dave all the best.
Great Video Mark!
I will say (from personal experience) that you are spot on with the magnum primers in the cold even in small cartridges like the 243, 6.5cm, etc...
As for magnum primers in magnum cartridges, I've always had good success with regular large rifle primers consistently better results with one exception, ball powders. With ball powders, even in warmer climates I've had several hangfires and misfires with regular large rifle primers in Magnum cartridges.
Cheers CJ, thanks man, all the best
CCI recommends magnum primers when using ball powders. Recently I was only able to get ball powder for my 300 H&H. I’m definitely using magnum primers, and will see the results.
I n my PERSONAL experience, I've tested both and found hardly any difference if any at all,. I've used federal gold medal match magnum in every compatible rifle cartridge I've used from .260 rem, .270win, 308win, 30-06, 6.5x55 swede, .300 winmag and others, only because I can get them in larger numbers. What I DID find, was in a few cartridges that I use slower powders in, I had much better SD's with magnum primers (going from 23 down to 6 on one occasion) but this was the exception rather than the rule. Other people have found different. I think it all comes down to, test your results and change your process if those results don't meet your expectations. Good video as usual mate!
Thanks Connor, Cheers
I also had similar results. Found that using cci450's +h4350 with the same powder charge resulted in lower SD's than with cci400's. The 400's gave me higher FPS though oddly enough. Also a noticeably sharper recoil with the 450's. I use the 450's for hunting in below freezing temps and the 400's for at the range.
I live in Northern Ontario Canada. I shoot 243, 308, 300 win mag and a 30-30. I've never had any issues with Standard primers. I've had an issue with my 30-30 bolt action once but it was caused by a weak primer strike because of over lubrication. I removed the excess lube and the problem went away. A typical winter day here can go from -15C to -30C.
Dam thats cold!!!!! Im from the southeren part of the states in my years ive seen afew single diget temps but very few!!!
Thanks Luc, Cheers
Same winter conditions for me and same experience with those calibres except for the 300WM which I found to be more consistent with magnum primer with the powder I use.
@@TubeDobs I'd be interested in the powder your using. I've reloaded for years but I'm new to the 300WM. So far I've only used IMR 4350 with magnum primers for it.
@@redhawk449Hodgdon H1000
From here in Utah, USA; concerned about you Aussies and what we see as you folks being faced with an ever-more oppressive govt. We are dealing with it here too...but we have that pesky little Constitutional RIGHT to our arms. The oppressors hate that about America. But we will keep that beacon of Liberty lit for every human being on Earth...probably til many of our dying breaths. Mark and Sam, we have plenty of wide open space here in the Western US that you can blast away...just a thought.
That is the other side of the country, all good here, at this stage, lol, Cheers
Thanks for the great content. I'm looking to getting into reloading. This is very helpful.
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Thanks for the laugh about a magnum primer in a .22 magnum rifle. It was great.
Lol, cheers
This is a question that has been nagging at the back of my mind for sometime now. Thank you for providing the answer and explaining the difference…….. Hi Sam !
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For what I have read is like what you touched on was with the cold weather! And being able to get a better burn in those conditions. Have a great day!
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In the U.S.A primers are hard to get so I'm using what I can get. Currently using small pistol magnum primers in 9mm because its what I got. No issues but would like to be using regular small pistol but can't get them right now. Nice explanation Mark well done. Now back to hurricane prep because we have a storm bearing down on us here in South Louisiana
Stay low, all the best, Cheers
Keep you powder dry ol'son
And
Put them primers in a good ammo can
Inside
A bigger ammo can.
Be safe.
@@markandsamafterwork Acutally its bet to get on high ground. We are in bayou country just outside of New Orleans. We are behind a levee system however my house is at 3.5ft (just over 1m) above sea level.
Update. Got hit with the north east quadrant of hurricane Ida. No damage but 6 days later still no power. Currently on generator. But all my primers and powder stayed dry!
Well said I have made the mistake of using magnum primers. I thought I needed to. Ie 300wsm. But later noticed loading info said use magnum primers with caution with 300wsm. So great info thx.
Thanks Man, Cheers
Thanks for the video. Currently getting ready to reload 300 PRC with H1000 but can’t get magnum primers, hence my research into using large rifle primers, which I have a lot on-hand. Most of what you stated here has been consistent with my research so I’m rather eager to get started on test loads, and not have to be delayed any longer trying to find Mag primers.
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Thank you Mark for the explanation. I’m an old fart and have been reloading to 60 years or so. I have always believed, as you mentioned, that magnum cartridges use magnum primers. Your explanation certainly makes more sense.
Cheers Man
On the other side of the coin, I have reloaded hundreds of shotgun shells with magnum primers due to current shortages with perfect results. I dropped my charges by 1 to 2 grains and they work great!
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10 percent I was told
Just the video i was looking for! Thankyou so much
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I use magnum primers in my 243 but for a very specific reason. I'm using a fairly stout load of H1000 behind a Barnes 112 grain match bullet. I find that I get maybe 25 fps more velocity but the me extreme spread and SD are way lower. Helped accuracy beyond 400 yards quite a bit.
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I'm using "Match Grade" large primers in the 270 and the 7mm rem. It's all I can get at the moment! They do perform great, glad i could get some primers in these troubled times. As always, thanks for your effort in explaining everything shooting!
Cheers Tom
@@markandsamafterwork I've been working the summer lift operations at my resort, comming home late, just catching up on a few vids. Re-loading componnents comming back on tap slowly, but much better than 6 months ago! Trust you and Sam are doingn well!
I learned this one the hard way. Just started reloading for a 25-06 this last year and I bought both CCI200 large rife primers and CCI250 magnum large rifle primers. No powder/bullet combination that I've tried gives consistent results with the CCI250 primers. I have several loads of the CCI200 primers over RL-23 powder that shoot bug holes but will not perform well with the CCI250. Too hot of a spark gives inconsistent MV.
Cheers Man
You video content as always on point... it's relative and it helps those on our quest to go just a little more distance...well beyond 100 meters.
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Lol, Cheers
I know it’s not ELR but I’ve used small pistol primers in my 22 K Hornet for years , as you said it gave me a more gentle ignition and more consistent velocity’s
Yep, Cheers
Brilliant as always SIR. Thanks. Cheers
Cheers Bob, thanks
I use cci large pistol magnum primers in my 10mm auto with 180gr bullet and power pistol powder. I would get 1300fps with spikes to 1450fps with regular large pistol primers. When I swapped to large pistol magnum and worked back up I now get a consistent 1450fps which tells me more consistent powder ignition.
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CCI recommends using magnum primers with ball powders. The recommendation is actually printed right on the box. I prefer single extruded powders, but with the powder shortage, I have resorted to using some ball powder with magnum primers.
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Excellent presentation. You answered my concerns regarding use of standard primers in lieu of magnum rifle primers. Remington 9 1/2's were not what I was provided; box appeared identical at a glance and is likely the reason for the mixup.
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Interesting. Makes a lot of sense. It always confused me that using the same powder as my 308 in the 300wm I would need different Primers. When it lights it lights. You can't get more lit than lit!.
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I use mag primers with all ball powders and with most slower burning powders. Also the 8-9 cartridges I load all have small primer pockets except one and the next lot of cases I buy for that one will have small primer pockets as well. Thank you Lapua.
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i think you hit the nail on the head mark....i hunt in temps from 0 degrees C to minus 40 degrees C and had a couple delayed fires with std large primers in a magnum, at -35C on the side of a mountain around 4000ft elevation on a cold crisp dry day in alberta lol they fired but with a short delay.... trigger broke clean, crisp felt good like dry fire practice.....but the discharge was not as expected. both rounds were shot on different days and the primer in each were from different batch numbers..CCI primers. i pulled the bolt when i got home, disassembled it. there was no dirt debris, metals or excessive oils of that nature inside, no sticky points with the firing pin. pin strike on the primer looked normal. bolt was locking in and out of full battery properly... i build my own hunting rifles with parts i source out so i do know the equipment fairly well. so i thought next in line is the ammo..started with the primer and now i use magnum primers in my loads for cold temps. slight more of a crack to it but no hangers since the switch....freak thing, bad primers or temp? anyway seems to work good now and the delayed fire hasnt happened since.
Yep, thanks Man, Cheers
Ive found by accident that using magnum or regular LRPs didn’t show much of a difference other than needing maybe 1 grain less powder than regular. Ive had and heard of great results with both but id bet Itd be no different than gasoline as some large engines NEED high octane fuel for performance and some run poorly unless lower octane and theres powder type variations that ignite easier with a mere spark and others especially if older and weaker and as said, at colder temps, that need more. Higher octane fuel takes more spark to ignite and therefore works best in the proper set up. The primer is basically the spark plug and powder the gasoline so its all a balance. I could see certain powders doing better with magnums vs others only needing regular but still fine with magnum, but Im no expert on powders and primers, I’m only assuming based on my experience. Excellent, very informative video, once again. Thank you!
Thanks Man, Cheers
Good explanation, it's based on powder ignition conditions that is usually a result of the environment used in.
Yep, Cheers Mark
I’m going to try this out. I’m running a 300 win. mag. in the US. Magnum primers are virtually impossible to get here right now and have been for some time. Regular rifle primers are finally in stock so that is what I have and am hoping to find they work great. It does get cold here and I do shoot in the winter but it’s usually on a nicer day. It is truthfully probably pretty rare that I would be out there when it is below 0c.
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I tested with a 6CM using same powder charge & jump, and got a better ES/SD using normal primers, although the magnum primers gave an average of 22fps faster speed.
Cheers Griff, thanks
Thanks Mark,
Im getting a 300PRC built by GCPD Arms and was worried about the non existence of Magnum primers.
I'll grab some Large Rifle primers when the come back in a few months.
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I use magnum primers in small primer, small flash hole Lapua 6.5 Creedmoor brass. Only because some folks on RUclips recommended it. Theory being the extra energy is needed to equal that of a regular large rifle primer.
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I have hand loaded for a long ,long time and many different calibres , and lately for my Enfield collection witch is 303 and variants I have drifted towards using magnum primers . Using 8208 powder I find it gives a cleaner burn and once I have found the right load for each gun it give a tighter group.
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Seeing depth can help you get more speed, but I dropped my charges. 5gr and I was in the same area as the LRP's.
We have videos on seating depth man.... Cheers
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! All the ideas in one place! WillyB
Cheers Will, thanks
I've always heard that you should use magnum primers with ball powders. I had a 220 swift Remington varmint 700 that I was using CCI 200 (so, so acuracy) with H380. I switched to CCI 250 and the groups shrank dramatically. Since then I use magnum primers with ball powders. Groups seem to be better.
Cheers Neil
Thanks Mark. I am testing primers on a 6 Dasher/105 Gr. bullet, as I am developing a load for a new rifle. I found that ES is noticeably reduced with a standard primer compared to a magnum across the load range and that Velocity to Load is fairly linear (no apparent node). However, the magnum primer I used, despite the higher ES, provide a nice, wide flat spot on the velocity graph - seems like the node i wide enough to offset the ES deficiency. I'll keep testing both primers for POI (OCW) and seating depths for a final selection based on target results. But the magnum seems to show promises.
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Thats very interesting i just bought my first magnum caliber rifle 300prc for hunting amd long range steel ringing just waiting for my tranfers to be done ive only loaded for 6.5cm so far so this was good info cheers 👍
Cheers Jezz, thanks
Something not mentioned would be some powders are harder to ignite than others like ball powders and a magnum primer will do the trick, we have guys at our club here in Scotland using small rifle primers in magnum getting good results and not freezing conditions.
I have only used magnums in a 7mm Saum bc they just worked when all else failed, why i dont know
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Mag primers like CCI 450 and Remington 7 1/2 seem to have a slightly harder cup and will take a bit more pressure.I use them a lot in in 223 and the 6.5 Grendel in bolt action rifles.I live in Canada and it can be very cold as in -20 or more and they have performed well for me when near maximum loads with heavy bullets.Even though I am not always hunting but target shooting I have had very low ES and SD when shot over the Chronograph depending on the powder used.I am getting low on the mag primers and will have to switch to standard primers so I will do more testing and see if I can FEEL the difference and the consistancy.
As always I enjoy your videos.
Thanks Robert. Cheers
I have only used magnum primers in my 7mm Mag for hunting in the Winter months
every thing else is standard.........Thanks......
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Good to hear. I will plan on trying some loads for my 7mm RemMag with standard primers.
Good info, thanks Mark.
Cheers Alex
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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The powder type used is the deciding factor for me to use magnum primers or regular LR primers. BL(c)2 and most ball powders get magnum primers.
Thanks Albert
Thank you for info & perspective. I am considering some range ammo for my 7mm RemMag with IMR4064, IMR4350 & Win760 & use regular/standard rifle primers. I hope to conserve my Magnum primers for hunting loads with Retumbo, H1000 & IMR4451. I think your description helps give confidence to give it a try.
Cheers Man
I had some issues with mag primers in my 7mag! Some would fire some wouldnt,swapped to lg rifle primers on all is right in the world again!!!😁😁😁
Lol, Cheers
Primer shortage has caused, questions about what we can use, magnum primers were the last thing available,
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Well you definitely cleared up some stuff I've been wondering about... Deer season is almost here and the 6.5 Grendel I was building had to be put on hold. I've had an optic fail and the billet upper receiver that I ordered came in and it was out of spec and I didn't find that out until after I had built out the complete upper... So about to load some 270WSM but was just going to experiment with large rifle primers because I don't have any magnums glad to know they tend to work... Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Cheers Dan, thanks
I noticed about a 30-50 fps difference between fed 215 and CCI BR2. It's almost not noticeable in the flat nodes but once you start hitting max charges and peak pressures it's a significant enough difference and also vastly changed the harmonics for me
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I aso find different accuracy nodes with different primers. To tune it I keep the same powder charge but I play on the seating depth
Thanks mate that was something I didn’t know. 👍
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Good day mate 👍👍
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I have loaded 300 win mag for years. The manual calls for large rifle for the load.
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At this point I use the primers I can find and adjust my load as needed. Hope you are doing ok with the current lockdown it must be a miserable time for you folks.
That is the other side of the country, still all good here, Cheers
@@markandsamafterwork That's good to hear, sounds like the states some places are sane and others have lost their mind.
I accidentally bought magnum primers for loading my .45, I've been little worried about loading with them.
@@shibosuru If the load you are using is max back off a few grains and check velocity and check for pressure signs as you work back up just like any other change in components you should be fine.
My 6.5x55 swede gets better SD and groups using magnum CCI primers with H4831sc. Really need to try both flavors in load development.
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I know this is a year later. This is a very informative video. Just my 2 cents here.. I run a 6 Dasher in competition. The Federal 205M has always served me well. I recently wanted to try CCI 450s to see how they would do. On Average Im sitting in the 2-4 SD and gained 25-30 FPS switching to the 450s. Averaged 3-6 SD with the Federal 205M. Now this could just be a dasher thing but not sure. Going to test in buddies 6.5 creed to see what it yields there.
Thanks man, Cheers
Many years ago I did a primer test on a 300winmag spitting out 208 A-max pills and the results were interesting. There was NO difference in velocity between 210m and 215m and they both had the odd heavier bolt lift (10 % to 15 % had heavier bolt lift) ..., while the cci250's added an extra 25 fps and showed no pressure signs. I was using H-1000 powder. The Fed 210m/215m had better accuracy. 210m averaged 2,973 fps. 215m averaged 2,975 fps and the cci250 averaged 2,998 fps. from two 10 shot strings for each primer make.
Thanks Man, Cheers
Thanks Mark 😀😎😊
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Always wondered. Might give it ago in my win mag
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Dureing this awefull primer crunch we're in.I've only got magnum primers.So the combination of ball powder and Magnum primers in a 22-250.To my suprise it was lights out accuracy and no presure sighns.So no safe queens for me during this primer outage lol
Awesome, Cheers
When there's a primer shortage, magnum primers work just fine in a standard 308.
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Very interesting video indeed! Now, if I may ask... I have a pretty good stach of Vihtavuori N570, which is a pretty slow burning powder to load .300 Win Mag. Accidently, bought LR primers instead of LRM (RWS 5341 instead of 5333). Given that I shoot in a moderate climate (Southern Europe), and did not tested such primers. Will they ignite properly the N570?
Thank you so much for sharing! 👍👌
Probably, but you have to test for your self...Cheers
I’ve had the same experience as you have.
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Thanks Mark. I have been considering using large rifle primers in my magnum rifles... Mainly because magnum primers are nigh unobtainable right now and I have vastly more large rifle primers than I do magnum. Curious to see if it makes recoil more manageable.
Cheers Jack, thanks
I was surprised to see how well defined, shallow and how small of a diameter a primer strike is on a magnum cartridge rifle. In comparison a mil spec primer strike is a crater. I have no doubt that a proper mil spec sniper system is entirely different from any given hunting/sporting system. Operating requirements are just too different.
Yep, cheers
Well said thanks
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Now that we speak of Magnums, and you being a very handy car modifier, I’ve always wondered if Thomas Magnum’s Ferrari 308 was stroked 200 tho, to make it a P. I’?( and Mark you reckon you do long shots…😂🚀)
Lol, cheers
Great video
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I have never experienced a hangfire. I shoot in +35 to -35. That would most likely be to contaminated components or ammo causing that not temperature.
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For a long time we didn't have Magnum Primers. At least at the level of 7MM Remington Magnum or .300 Winchester Magnum. I don't think they are necessary.
Thanks Man, Cheers
At least here in Finland I havent had any issues with normal large rifle primers in 308 when hunting or generally shooting in - 30 celcius weather. Havent heard of anyone complaining about 9.3x62 usage in sub freezing temperatures with normal large primers, but most who I know own one dont go out in colder than like -10 or -15
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Could be using vita vohori powder that is less temperature sensitive than American powders.
mark, please give us video about bal.calc. how to own it. how to shoot at extra long ranges.
There are videos on the channel
When reloading Is it safe to use a Large Rifle Magnun primer on a 30 06 with the H4350 powder, can't find any Large Rifle primers? Large.Thank you for you content.
Yes, but load may need slight adjusting, Cheers
I go with the simple answer to this question... I use the primer called for in the reloading manual. I can't find a good reason not to.
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Possibly important, absent ambient temperature, was your comment that you generally only use ADI (US, read Hodgdon Extreme)powders which are all extruded powders. Were we to be discussing spherical powders I suspect we would be having a different discussion, esp. since I recall one of the ballisticians from Speer/CCi writing that their magnum primers are actually designed to ignite spherical powders.
Yep, Cheers
I have never had the need to use magnum primers even in the colder conditions I hunt in.
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Will mag primers help me any on my 153 a tips 6.5prc? There not as tight as lighter bullets on groups and was kinda disappointed so I grabbed mags as I will be usin em in my 7mm eventually and gonna test em anyway…
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I’ve got a 375H&H and a 458wm.
I’ve always used magnum primers but I can’t find them anymore.
Does anyone know if it’s safe to use large rifle primers instead of magnum primers in them?
It sounds like the answer is yes.
That is was about, lol, cheers
How will it affect a standard load in normal temps? Say 40 to 80 F, I can't get normal standard primers at the moment, so I bought 1000 magnum rifle primers. Do I need to adjust my load to accommodate for the slight extra power produced by the primer.
You have to find out, start 2grn lower and test, Cheers
@markandsamafterwork just finished loading some 308 2 grains lower than usual, going to find out tomorrow morning. Cheers my brother from down under. Wish you all well.
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Gudday mayt!
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Good. I think like that. Chears
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I live in Canada, I got to try it out. Eh!
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Never seen a reason to change the type of primer from what is stated in the Hornady reloading manual.
As said, if it works for you, leave it, Cheers
Large rifle primer in a 7mm Remington magnum?
All explained in video
Thanks. As you're aware, primers are as rare as hens teeth ATM..
Soon to be any primer you can lay your hands on, there’s a shortage on its way......
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The wife thinks I use a magnum. She won't be watching this propaganda that I may not need a magnum.
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Magnum P.I. hahaha
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Mark, how do you find CCI vs Federal?
Couldn't say, have only used Federal, Cheers
I’ve used both interchangeably and never noticed much of a difference. Use whichever gives you better ES.
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Magnum condoms??
Lol
Sell me some.
Lol, Cheers
Hmmm. Magnum trojans lol
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Magnum condom
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