Full Interview! Experts React to Rabies Outbreak in Seals

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @KPassionate
    @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +12

    Special thanks to Naude Dreyer, co-founder of Ocean Conservation, for sharing his knowledge about cape fur seals and the rabies outbreak in South Africa.
    Follow OCN → www.youtube.com/@OceanConservationNamibia
    Support OCN's rescue efforts → www.ocnamibia.org
    World Health Organization Rabies Facts:
    • Rabies is 100% preventable through vaccination.
    • Rabies is zoonotic, meaning humans can get the disease from animals.
    • Rabies is endemic in over 150 countries. Common carriers include foxes, jackals, bats, raccoons, skunks, as well as feral and domestic cats and dogs.
    • The virus is transmitted through contact in saliva from close contact with an infected animal such as bites, scratches, or even licks on broken skin and mucous membranes.
    • Rabies vaccination of dogs and cats is mandatory by law in most countries.
    •Once the virus infects the central nervous system and clinical symptoms appear, rabies is fatal in 100% of cases.
    •However, rabies deaths are preventable with prompt post exposure prophylaxis (PEP) by stopping the virus from reaching the central nervous system. PEP consists of thorough wound washing, administration of a course of human rabies vaccine and, when indicated, rabies immunoglobulins (RIG).
    •If a person is bitten or scratched by a potentially rabid animal, they should immediately and always seek PEP care.
    [1] www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/rabies
    Rabies post-exposure prophylaxis (PEP) treatment is nearly 100% effective if administered before symptom onset. Approximately 60,000 people receive PEP annually in the U.S., and 29 million people globally, after being exposed to rabies. During 2000-2021, an average of 1-3 people died from rabies every year in the U.S. and none had received PEP treatment. Although fatal once clinical signs appear, rabies is entirely avoidable; vaccines, medicines and technologies have long been available to prevent death from rabies. If you are bitten by a wild animal, or come into contact with known carriers like bats or raccoons, see a doctor immediately. For more information, see the links below.
    [2] www.cdc.gov/rabies/hcp/clinical-overview/index.html
    [3] www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/rabies/prevention.html
    [4] www.who.int/health-topics/rabies/rabies-is-100-percent-vaccine-preventable

    • @MrsW_2352
      @MrsW_2352 27 дней назад

      I think Naude is awesome 🤩 the whole OCN team are incredible 👏 but oh Naude with his dedication, calm leadership and sense of humour 💙

  • @ComaLies225
    @ComaLies225 2 месяца назад +24

    Rabies is quite possibly one of the most frightening diseases in my opinion

    • @John_Weiss
      @John_Weiss 2 месяца назад +5

      And once you show symptoms, it's too late to help you.

    • @I-cannot-make-it-prettier
      @I-cannot-make-it-prettier 13 дней назад +2

      I once accidentally got bitten by a bat in a rabies quarantine zone and needed the whole series of injections but people who work with animals such as vet techs usually get mandatory vaccination and titer check-ups.

  • @marykuga4589
    @marykuga4589 2 месяца назад +4

    I think that the fact that fishermen are calling OCN for seal entanglements of fishing line is awesome. It will make them more aware of their fishing gear and that’s a step in the right direction. I can’t praise these guys and gals enough of the work they do.

  • @suek.1507
    @suek.1507 2 месяца назад +5

    The gang at OCN is an awesome, awesome group doing wonderful rescues that we wish they didn't have to do. ❤ OCN

  • @hela_helio
    @hela_helio 2 месяца назад +13

    Thanks for providing the full interview!

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +3

      Of course, thanks for watching!

  • @Mcat7101
    @Mcat7101 2 месяца назад +9

    Thank you, KP. It’s a very well balanced interview: full of information from both of you without sensationalisation of the issue.
    I adore both your channels, having had OCN videos recommended by the algorithm after watching your work with sea otters.
    No fakery, just genuine people with knowledge and experience.
    Complete irrelevant, but I loved the cameo appearance by your ferret. OCN's livestreams often have had appearances by Naude's and Katja's cats or dogs.😂

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +1

      I'm glad you enjoyed it! And I was hoping people would enjoy the ferret cameo 😊

  • @lynnlawrence834
    @lynnlawrence834 2 месяца назад +3

    After watching the first video I wondered if Orcas could get rabies. I saw in the comments others had the same question, thank you for looking into that and listing the marine mammals who can and cannot get rabies. I'm so glad I stumbled across your channel, it's extremely interesting and informative.

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +1

      I'm glad you enjoyed it!

  • @powertechnical
    @powertechnical 15 дней назад +1

    The video of the seal going crazy and biting the rope was euthanized and it tested positive for rabies. They also found out that the seal was pregnant and that the unborn pup was also infected.

  • @lanapeterzon9055
    @lanapeterzon9055 2 месяца назад +4

    Thanks for this and thanks for your connection to OCN.

  • @BubsyWubsy-nk8mw
    @BubsyWubsy-nk8mw 2 месяца назад +9

    Extremely interesting, so glad I found your channel, thank you .

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +3

      I'm glad you found it too!

  • @JustInTimeWorlds
    @JustInTimeWorlds 2 месяца назад +3

    That is the cutest pronunciation of Naude I've heard in a long time :D It's honestly quite close but the little -ai at end absolutely had me giggling. Great video! Thanks for all you do.

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +2

      It’s how he pronounces his own name

  • @helenemalenfant5435
    @helenemalenfant5435 2 месяца назад +5

    Thanks for this. Just came up in my feed and now subscribed to get all notifications, will look at your back catalogue and see what kind of work you’ve been doing.

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +4

      @@helenemalenfant5435 let me know what you think!

    • @helenemalenfant5435
      @helenemalenfant5435 2 месяца назад

      @@KPassionate Just from the discussion and comments you made below the post, I can already tell you’re an informed scientist not given to hyperbole and are empirically based. I know very little about marine biology. I studied ethology, genetics, anthropology, cognition & neuroscience at undergrad and then neuroscience/behavioural endocrinology for my masters before switching to humans and neuropsychology. My husband considered doing his Ph.D. in marine biology but struggled with health issues (eventually diagnosed with a rare blood cancer at the end of his Ph. D). So both of us had health issues that essentially prohibited field work. I’ll definitely send him links to some of your videos.
      As someone who grew up in the far North of Canada in the middle of a forest, I must comment on the folly of some humans and how they interact with wildlife. I’ve pulled over on isolated stretches of highways when I see a tourist trying to get close to take photos of a moose or bear (sometime even with offspring!). You see this issue in National Parks and also in how they interact with some marine mammals, as I’m sure you’re aware re: unfortunate consequences of naive curious tourists with walruses in Europe. Anyhow, thank you for your work and looking forward to exploring your channel.

  • @amypod79
    @amypod79 2 месяца назад +2

    I started following you since i saw Naude in the thumbnail, and i caught the clip you did on Neil the Seal.

  • @colleeneggertson2117
    @colleeneggertson2117 2 месяца назад

    Thanks. Very informative. Laughed at the teasing about running in bare feet.

  • @Pan_Foka
    @Pan_Foka 2 месяца назад +1

    TY 😊

  • @Cam0412
    @Cam0412 2 месяца назад +4

    Should we be asking a question how this affects the food chain. Do Orca's feed on seals? Have there been any cases of any aggressive orca attacks lately

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +4

      I answer that at the 25:16 mark. Short answer is that it is extremely unlikely for an orca or a whale to contract rabies.

    • @Cam0412
      @Cam0412 2 месяца назад +2

      ​@@KPassionate wrote this right before I got there, appreciate you

    • @mindymorgan8479
      @mindymorgan8479 2 месяца назад

      Yes but it's extremely rare in seals as well. And if a seal will try to attack a human, rare, wouldn't they also bite other odd animals like whales? Even if they were being eaten and turned around and bit the shark or whale, would they get it. I'm pretty sure. So just describing it as rate is the entire point. I think orcas have it.

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +3

      A seal would have to bite or scratch them deep enough to penetrate their thick layer of blubber. This would also happen at sea where the saltwater would greatly dilute the virus, decreasing the risk of transmission.
      [1] www.whalefacts.org/can-whales-get-rabies/
      Even if a killer whale was infected, they would be unlikely to spread the disease because, again, water in the mouth greatly dilutes the virus and reduces it's transmission. Also, the virus lives in the salivary glands, and most whales and dolphins have atrophied or non-existent saliva glands.
      [2] baleinesendirect.org/en/do-whales-produce-saliva/

  • @lily_white
    @lily_white 2 месяца назад +2

    didn't know he could run with shoes on

  • @RagaarAshnod
    @RagaarAshnod 2 месяца назад +1

    Just heard about Otters attacking someone while they were jogging in Tanjung Aru Recreation Park. Thought I'd drop a comment to let you know, maybe you could do a reaction into why an otter might attack? Looks like it's an Lutra sumatrana or Hairy-nosed Otter, but I am not confident on that.

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +2

      Otters often attack people when they get too close to their territory. Particularly if they have pups.

  • @lanapeterzon9055
    @lanapeterzon9055 2 месяца назад +1

    IMPORTANT QUESTION: Isn't there a problem with a pod of ORCAS attacking boats? (Don't remember where in the world it's happening but maybe Cali?)
    Could that have something to do with rabies? The rabies would be diluted by the water and the symptoms might not kill them, just make them aggressive etc. Is this a possibility? @KPassionate would you suggest it to the authorities involved? I'd really like an answer either pinned here or on one of your shows. Many thanks.
    (I watched this vid bc I recognized Naude on the thumbnail.)

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +1

      Naude and I talked about the possibility of orcas getting rabies at the 25:16 mark. While technically possible for an orca to get rabies, it is extremely unlikely. A seal would have to bite or scratch them deep enough to penetrate their thick layer of blubber. This would also happen at sea where the saltwater would greatly dilute the virus, decreasing the risk of transmission. As for the orcas attacking boats, they are in Iberia off the coast of Spain and Portugal. If they had rabies, their behavior would be much more erratic and uncoordinated. The fact that they still communicate, coordinate, and don't attack each other indicates that they are healthy. The orcas attacking boats are just playing. I did a video on this behavior that I'll link below if you're interested.
      ruclips.net/video/C0cGdd9lUgY/видео.html

    • @dianacryer
      @dianacryer 2 месяца назад +2

      Teenage Orcas being naughty. 😆

    • @colleeneggertson2117
      @colleeneggertson2117 2 месяца назад

      A pod of Orcas have been attacking and sinking sailboats around Gibraltar, Spain, Portugal and Morocco, according to news reports, for a couple of years.

  • @Pugfeathers
    @Pugfeathers 2 месяца назад +2

    Could there be an increase in rabies because great white sharks have left the area

  • @andred7684
    @andred7684 Месяц назад

    How does Hydrophobia affect mammal sea animals? Does it affect them differently?

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  Месяц назад

      The hydrophobic aspect of rabies actually applies to the drinking of water. The disease doesn’t want to get diluted in the mouth! Marine mammals don’t drink water at all. They get all the moisture they need from the food that they eat. So it wouldn’t cause them to be afraid of the water they live in.

  • @mindymorgan8479
    @mindymorgan8479 2 месяца назад

    OK so aren't Orchas attacking boats more frequently as well? Could they have rabies? Have we tested them? What about beached animals? I mean some of the rabid animals are trying to bite people. Coming up right to them. Would they do the same to other marine mammals? Has it ever been found in other marine non mammals? Hmmm.

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад

      I did a video on the Iberian orcas who are attacking boats if you're interested. I'll link that below, as well as a recent workshop conducted by marine biologists that concluded the orcas are very likely just playing. Which is the scientific consensus and one I've long agreed with. If they had rabies, their behavior would be much more erratic and uncoordinated. The fact that they still communicate, coordinate, and don't attack each other indicates that they are healthy.
      [1] ruclips.net/video/C0cGdd9lUgY/видео.html
      [2] archive.iwc.int/pages/download.php?direct=1&noattach=true&ref=22172&ext=pdf&k
      While technically possible for an orca to get rabies, it is extremely unlikely. A seal would have to bite or scratch them deep enough to penetrate their thick layer of blubber. This would also happen at sea where the saltwater would greatly dilute the virus, decreasing the risk of transmission. Also, the virus lives in the salivary glands, and most whales and dolphins have atrophied or non-existent saliva glands.
      [3] baleinesendirect.org/en/do-whales-produce-saliva/
      [4] www.whalefacts.org/can-whales-get-rabies/
      With very few exceptions (possums), rabies only infects warm blooded mammals. Birds, fish, lizards, insets, and turtles do not get or spread rabies. So no other marine animal that is not a mammal could get rabies because the virus needs very specific temperatures in order to survive.

  • @kevinim300
    @kevinim300 2 месяца назад

    rabid ocean creatures...yikes. man only does land.

  • @theresacrubaugh2095
    @theresacrubaugh2095 2 месяца назад

    Can the folks working with wild seals vaccinate the seals? Could rabies be the problem with the Iberian group of orcas attacking boats? Ok, the ending answered the orca question.

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад

      They have begun trial vaccinations, but their focus is on vagrant seals like leopard and elephant seals in order to prevent them from spreading the disease to remote southern populations. And no, the Iberian orcas do not have rabies. If it was rabies, their behavior would be much more erratic and uncoordinated. The fact that they still communicate, coordinate, and don't attack each other indicates that they are healthy. The orcas attacking boats are just playing. I did a video on the behavior if you're interested. Naude and I also talk about orcas and rabies at the 25:16 mark of this video.

  • @basilbrushbooshieboosh5302
    @basilbrushbooshieboosh5302 2 месяца назад

    Question,
    Does a rabies infected seal die from having rabies?
    And if so, does anyone know a type of time-frame for this? For example, would the time -frame be in the close vicinity of that for humans and dog species, if their mortality onset is also similar?

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +1

      I don't have the answer to this. This is a very new thing and I don't know if the data is available yet. I'll take a closer look at the incident update report tomorrow, but that link is posted in the descriptions if you wanted to have a look.

    • @basilbrushbooshieboosh5302
      @basilbrushbooshieboosh5302 2 месяца назад

      @@KPassionate
      Thanks KP

    • @b.a.erlebacher1139
      @b.a.erlebacher1139 2 месяца назад

      Rabies virus travels to the brain via the nerves, not the bloodstream. This means that with a bite on the foot, it will take longer to reach the brain than a bite on the face or neck. In humans, it can take weeks to months for symptoms to appear, depending on where the bite is. This is why post-exposure vaccination works - there's time to get the immune system to mount a defence before the virus reaches the brain.

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks for this response!

  • @wendycassel3429
    @wendycassel3429 2 месяца назад

    Water socks 😊

  • @TheJudiBambiPurrsParadox
    @TheJudiBambiPurrsParadox 2 месяца назад +1

    *On your last video about this, I brought up if orcas got infected BECAUSE THEY EAT SEALS and YOU said THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE. NOW this guy said it HIMSELF. **_Please explain why you told me that can't happen, when this guy brought it up like I did..but you had a different response to him saying it._** What about the orcas 'attacking' yachts? Could THEY have it?*

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +4

      Naude is an expert in fur seals, not whales and cetaceans. If you watched, you'll note that I elaborated and explained why it is highly unlikely that an orca could get infected.

  • @honeybeeart9382
    @honeybeeart9382 2 месяца назад

    Can an animal like an Orca catch rabies by eating a seal, even if they aren't able to bite orca?

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +2

      Naude and I talked about that at the 25:16 mark. Short answer is that it is extremely unlikely for an orca or a whale to contract rabies.

    • @honeybeeart9382
      @honeybeeart9382 2 месяца назад

      @@KPassionate So the virus does not survive in the stomach then? I was just wondering since he stated that even in a decomposed carcass the virus can still be found, but I guess it must not survive in their stomach now.

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +1

      There are no scientifically documented cases of rabies transmission from eating raw meat from a rabid animal.
      [1] rabiesalliance.org/resources/search?page=1&type=913#:~:text=There%20are%20no%20scientifically%20documented,and%20PEP%20is%20not%20indicated.
      The virus lives in the salivary glands. It can be transmitted if the saliva or infected tissue like the brain comes in contact with open wounds or mucus membranes. Orcas typically swallow their prey whole, and they do not chew their food, so it would be unlikely to be transmitted through digestion. The saltwater in the mouth would also greatly dilute the virus and decrease the risk of transmission. Note: please do not handle or touch dead animals, especially those suspected of rabies.

    • @honeybeeart9382
      @honeybeeart9382 2 месяца назад +1

      @@KPassionate Oh wow! That is cool to know!

  • @K1lostream
    @K1lostream 2 месяца назад

    Video is not about rabies, I’ve watched almost 20% into the video now and they’re talking about whether socks are shoes.

    • @vitigaymer1053
      @vitigaymer1053 2 месяца назад +3

      Than you should have watched the edited video 😂

  • @bkm2797
    @bkm2797 2 месяца назад

    Thought Orcas are dolphins not whales? Fascinating and disturbing conversation, who would have thought of rabies in sea puppies. I watch OCN every morning, and like you I worry about Naude, Antoine, Denzel, Hawain, Dylan and the rest of the team, especially when they are running through those rocky areas, so worried they will slip. Thank you for educating us on this important subject, let’s hope it doesn’t spread and they come up with better ways of combating it.👍🦭💕

    • @KPassionate
      @KPassionate  2 месяца назад +3

      Yes, orcas are dolphins but dolphins are also whales. All whales, dolphins and porpoises are classified as Cetacea (whales). Within Cetacea are two suborders: baleen whales like humpback whales and toothed whales like dolphins, porpoises, beluga whales, and beaked whales.

    • @bkm2797
      @bkm2797 2 месяца назад +1

      @@KPassionate Well I’ll be, love learning new things so thank you!🐋🐬👍💕