New Aircraft & Returned Leases: The State Of Russian Aviation
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- Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2023
- It’s crazy to think that we are now nearing two years since Russian president Vladimir Putin launched his full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The western world, as well as some East Asian nations reacted swiftly with sanctions, but this war continues to reveal the complicated, intertwined nature of international aviation and Russia’s previous dependence on it. With all of this in mind, we thought it would be a good time to provide a large update on the state of the country’s aviation sector. From seized aircraft to canceled orders to canceled partnerships - a lot has happened in the past year alone.
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Loosing about 40% of global market in just 2 years , building 2 new competitors… that’s “great” strategy
Out of necessity rises innovation.
Russia was by far Antonov's biggest market for civil aircraft. When the original sanctions hit Russia after the 2014 events in Crimea, Antonov (Ukrainian aircraft maker) never sold another aircraft to Russia and never made another saleable hull after 2015.
ОЛЕГ КОНСТАНТИНОВИЧ АНТОНОВ - РУССКИЙ АВИАКОНСТРУКТОР, РОДИВШИЙСЯ ПОД МОСКВОЙ. КБ АНТОНОВА БЫЛО СОЗДАНО , ВО ВРЕМЯ WWII В НОВОСИБИРСКЕ... И ЛИШЬ, В 50-Х ПЕРЕМЕЩЕНО В КИЕВ... ВСЕ САМОЛЁТЫ АНТОНОВА - СОВЕТСКИЕ/РУССКИЕ, РАЗРАБОТАННЫЕ И ПОСТРОЕННЫЕ НА РУССКИЕ ДЕНЬГИ...
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Antonov was moved to ukr in 1952. Originally it was found in Novosibirsk, russia.
@@paulwilson8061parts of it were moved to Novosibirsk due to Hitlers attack.
@@spxram4793 what? It was found in 1946.
For hundred years the Russians building their own plane and the last 25 years they neglected that especially in civil aviation but now it's another situation for another approach
Yep. This goes for any major countries, don't neglect your core industries for some quick bucks. Russia is an oil producer and exporter, whatever the fuel efficiencies gained by buying Airbus and Boeing probably weren't worth the headache now if they look back at it.
Aer Lingus also bought two A320 Neos that were originally ordered by the Russian airline Smartavia but cancelled due to sanctions.
I was in Geneva in February and saw a grounded Aeroflot A320
Very interesting knowing what they are doing with these sanctions
This aircraft is an A321 and he is parked since the beginning of the war. Obviously
@@arbrechene3644 have you seen it
@@mrwelshaviation_024 yes I live not far away from geneva and I always see it when I go to work
@@arbrechene3644 nice
As an avgeek, the silver lining is we get to see potential new aircraft models flying like the Sukhoi Superjet 100 with the new sabrelet and the IL96-400M.
That plane has been a disaster
@@johniii8147Can you explain how it has been a disaster? And how does it compete in its 'disastrousness' with the Boeing Max series?
@@johniii8147disaster? Boeing 737Max
@@linkmeforfun It had 2 crashes it self with only 155 built. Airlines also dumped it because of slack of spare parts and poor dispatch reliability. It didn't have the support infrastructure for carriers. Just time to move on from the MAX issues. They have been resolved and back selling very well. Very unfortunate, that whole thing but Boeing and airlines have moved on. It's now the most tested plane in history.
@@johniii8147you mean the 2 crashes that had nothing to do with the design of the SSJ100..? Also there are well over 200 of the type in service..
Oh my, what problems arise with sanctions.
Russian industry is chugging along just fine, they have the knowledge and resources, but it takes some time to adapt.
Same sanctions were put on small and mid sized marine engines, and Russians just developed their own in couple of years.
They had the technology before the globalisation, and brushing dust off and resuming after hibernation seems to work well for them.
Were, not where, dear.
Is that why so many Russian planes have breakdowns? I wouldn’t call that “fine” homemade parts aren’t reliable
@@TKUA11 How are Boeing planes doing?
@@MrDomingo55 really well. Theyre doing so good that Russia decided to steal a bunch of them They’re the most used airplanes in the world, and they make billions in profit. How are your broken down Russian boeing planes doing down there? How much worthless rubles do you have to earn to fly on one?
@@TKUA11 Yes, really well flying into the ground and losing parts of fuselage. How did Boeing get there, many ask. Answer, direct more than 90% of profits into pockets of shareholders and only few percent in R&D. What used to be a company that was managed by Engineers, creating great planes that would inevitably generate profits, was turned into a company run by bean counters focused on milking it to the maximum and neglecting R&D investment. Unfortunately for millions of citizens of that country, Boeing was not isolated case. Since 1970's, maximizing shareholder dividends became the absolute focus of the Captains of Wall Street, so much so that next logical step was to export much of industry to China and other low cost countries. No one seem to have considered the consequence of such a policy; millions of homeless living on the streets of American cities. That is what you get when you allow Capital to run your country for benefit of Oligarchy. At least in Russia such people have been neutered and they no longer decide who becomes the next president.
You must be proud of your political system that has brought such poverty to US cities. Geriatrics populate your Senate and House of Reps and a geriatric demented president to round it all off.
last month I flew on a Rossiya Sukhoi SuperJet 100 from Kazan to St. Petersburg. Amazing plane!
An S7 airlines 737 had a dual engine incident the other day
Don't panic about the IL96. It wasn't a completely new build, but a partially completed freighter version converted to passenger configuration; and the biggest production year for the IL96 was 1996, when they managed to build - hold on to your hats - THREE! 0 to 2 units all other years.
at the time, boeing was dominant manufacturer. whole world was supplied by them so what is strange that even russia wanted those planes. in that environment what is the benefit to tie up cash in building hundreds of passenger planes if there is no buyers? they built freighters and that is what they could sell to the market.
now situation changed, lets see how all this develops.
We have not 1996. We have 2023. Wtf is wrong with you?
ha ha
Nobody panics about 1996 - it's long gone.
В первой половине 90-ых годов авиастроительство в России намеренно уничтожалось по указанию Ельцина. Он объяснял это словами: "для улучшения отношений с иностранными партнерами"
The current state of Russian aviation in terms of new aircraft and returned leases is not mentioned in the provided search snippets. However, Russia has been actively developing and producing new aircraft, such as the Sukhoi Superjet 100 and the MC-21. As for returned leases, there is no specific information available.
The sanctions are the best thing that ever happened to Russia's aircraft industries.
Not really, plus think of the people dumbass, and Russia will probably be fine until the war is over and they'll probably still be fine
Это точно! Санкции это лучшее что случалось с Россией, потому что наконец сами начали что-то создавать !
Oh, yes, IL96 back in "production." In 36 yeas they've only built 33. That's less than one per year on average, and only 16 are still in service. In 1970 alone, Boeing built ninety-two 747s.
@@wintersbattleofbands1144 You act like a fat man sitting near the finish line laughing at Usain Bolt because he just started running fast.😄 Now everything bearing the Boeing name is 90% made in China, while every single Russian aircraft is 100% made in Russia. Sure, Boeing sells a lot more planes, but Russia and China have only just begun to take over the entire aircraft industry.
I love the super jet ❤
It looks amazing
One of the biggest thing you skipped is rapid development of PD35 engine, a very modern High bypass engine which upon certification would make it possible for Russia to make IL 96 like wide bodies but with only 2 engines.
Hardly rapid development. It really doesn't compare the most modern western engines in the west. It's at best s second choice to get around sanctions. It's many years from matching the west in performance, testing and reliability.
Yes… and that beautiful airplane will be a Good bird!!!!❤
Is a good engine, on paper. Who will certify those engines?
@@fernandonunogoncalvesRussia itself
Are they going to build it out of thin air? Or they'll need raws and parts... some under sanctions. Now the plane itself... do thry have EVERYTHING?
😂according to the British, when the west takes assets belonging to Russia it’s called seizing assets but when Russia does it it’s called stealing 😂
There's a big difference between assets stolen from the Russian state treasury and leased aircraft that were shanghaied by terrorists but sure Zymp you do you 😂😂😂😂😂
According to Russia there isnt a War in Ukraine..... whats your point
@@SnarkyMcSnarkles War -- is what Israel makes in Palestine, and Russia performs special military operation in Ukraine
Mark Twain said, " Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. "
So I'll follow Twain's advice, idiot.
@@SnarkyMcSnarkles Russia isn't killing like Israel is doing you moron.
The unasked question is will any Airbus or Boeing aircraft associated with Russian airlines be allowed to land at airports* outside of Russia because of uncertified parts & maintenance once the ban is lifted? *Airports of countries that prohibited Russian airlines from using due to the Ukraine/Russia war.
It’s on the answered because there is no answer for that yet. That will be dealt with when it’s time. Obviously, it’s no I’m not the time yet.
This is also my concern. I can’t see any logically safe way those aircraft can ever be flown/landed in non Russian airspace. We essentially have no idea what maintenance has been done/parts tampered with etc
@@eastieloverChina and India let them in, also Thailand. But I do not think they will even be allowed to operate routes into "the rotting West", so the quesiton raised here is not relevant for the next 10 years or so. In that time, all stolen aircraft will be scrap value. There are already four caes of known almost-crashes losing the hull.
@@spxram4793They use domestic aircrafts for destinations in the west.
Those aircraft are already written of by the leasers and insurences paid.
We are talking about one of the biggest mass stealing in history that will not easily be forgotten by the leasers and insurance companies.
They will never be allowed to fly outside the Russian Federation without a Western certification of a 0 hour rebuild to manufacturer spec.
Normaly ordering new aircraft is way cheaper then a 0 hour rebuild.
For airlines in the Russian Federation ordering new ones from Boeing and Airbus will have insane surcharges and maybe even impossible for decades to come.
This will certainly boost Russia’s local manufacturing capability in the long term. The imported craft will all eventually be replaced.
For the past 30-some years I have flown on a series of Soviet/Russian and Western aircraft operated by Aeroflot. Until recently, it was exclusively Western-built aircraft. I am glad to see a return to Russian-built aircraft. I have never seen anything wrong with them. They meet all the specs to operate in Western airspace, proving the skills of Russian designers, engineers and pilots.
Talking of the CR-929, China wanted tecnology transfer from Russia in exchange for the large chinese market but Russia said na.
Based on your own sources.
Yahhh.
Integrating a whole different engine in a modern jetliner without help from the manufacturer... That's impressive.
What have you been drinking? They will be using their own engine on their own built aircraft. Existing Western planes will be retired eventually. Russians are not going to waste time and money on R&D to replace engines on foreign made planes with locally made engines.
I would welcome more military content. One can only read so much about airline schedules and aircraft purchases. Nevertheless I do enjoy most of the present content.
How many planes were shot down because of sanctions?
Can you make a video about all the aircraft that russia developed and were successful ? Like the Tu-204/214,IL-96 etc. and how could Russia manufacture aircraft again.
Russia could manufacture airplanes again when they leave Ukraine, pay reparations, negotiate sanctions removal, send their Botox midget to the ICC, and then just maybe, they can get enough parts from abroad to restart their aviation industry. Until then, they’re going to have the same problems with aviation that Iran has: flying old unreliable planes till they crash
I think you are confusing Russia with the Soviet Union. The latter is what Putin thinks he can re-create !
It would be interesting to see the twin engine variant of the IL 96 400 replacing the 4 existing engines with two new PD-35 originally offered for CR-929 and intended to upgrade the AN-124 too
The PD-35 Will be a game changer. That's the only thing that Russia is still lagging on.
It would be interesting to see a Russian engine last more than 5 hours.
@@danh6720 5 hours? Were you born yesterday or what?😅
@@julienckjm7430 If I was born yesterday, it's amazing how quickly I discovered what hyperbole was.
@@danh6720 Yeah but 5 hours that's just ridiculous, even for a figure of speech. It screams propaganda all over...
IL-96 were flying in 1990, already. The interior of the aircraft were supplied by the Western parts, as russia was not able to make high quality plastics and perfect fit for them.
A shorter version was flying in 1990's and most of subsystems were of local manufacture.
😂 yes because only the west knows how to manufacture carpets and seats 😂😂
Boeing 737 was already flying in 60's 🤷♂️ 😂
@@kaboonali5466Yes, USSR and current Russia still have problem with manifacturing quality plastic products. I don't know Why it is that Way ! May be plastics demand attention to details ?
@@symmetry08 just like US" Boeing cannot issue chassy for its planes and titan material. Russia make it for Boeing
One fact in favor of russians: To get free their current air space traffic, in order to ease the pain od high costs for western european airlines flying to China, because they are banned to cross over Russian Federation making the operation much more expensive due to this particular issue. Negotiation with this fact?, May be, but not to soon.
This ban was respons on Western countries' ban for Russian planes to cross their sky.
The only think they'll do is raising the feee.
They'll have to adapt Russian made parts to replace the Western made parts in the long run.
The impression from video that Russia would stop without western parts and planes. Remember USSR did not need a single part from west. MS 21 is approaching its certification and testing phase and probably next 2 Y may start flying. As for IL 114, probably after more tests are completed, more clarity regarding future. IL 96 will take longer to start flying. Tu 214 is available to start from the beginning.
"The USSR didn't need western parts" because they had built their own aviation industry from scratch over many, many decades. And that was before it collapsed, Russia opened up to the West, and technologies were integrated (mostly by discarding outdated USSR garbage for superior western tech). It's not the 80s anymore, where you can relatively easily copy some mechanical part in some machine shop. Even then the Soviet Union had to rely on either making terrible copies of western computer systems, or buying them illegally, and that was before computers were that ubiquitous as today.
Russia can slowly build planes but only outdated ones that cannot in any way compete in the open market. The planes that Russia builds will only be used by them and it will cause either severe increase in airfare prices or will need to be subsidised by the state to financialy viable.
And if Russia ever in the future normalizes relations with the West all their planes will imediately go to the dump and be replaced by far more econimically viable Boeing/Airbus.
@@badatdota2811 No country has up to date whole fleet. Try to fly domestic flight to rural place in Canada or Australia, still old MDs or ATR from 80is. Meanwhile current Russian fleet would gradually improve inside Russia, all western planes retired to scrap. Give it another 10 years, Russian planes would start purging B and A from Global South, where former colonial masters are not popular. Rest assured, even if sanctions are eased, local production would not stop. USSR would never sacrificed own production base to buy imported goods, even if own USSR planes were not up to scratch. Russian production is in place for decades, providing jobs for Russian workers and engineers. current Russia is not Yeltsin dumb neo colony of USA, like Ukraine. So yes, Ukrainian Antonov would be soon killed by USA, but not Superjet and not MS 21 etc etc
I wouldn't be surprised if Antonov is recreated post-Ukrainian conflict.
@@mikalnaylor Antonov re-created? Ukraine role is to peripheral colony of USA. The role of colony is to buy technologies from metropolis ( USA) , not to create and export. and challenge supremacy of USA.
Russian cannot even keep their heating systems in their towns and cities functioning due to lack of skills, how the hell are they going to build decent aircraft....Russia has lived off oil and gas revenues for decades now, and their industrial base has shrunk massively since soviet times... often called 'Dutch Disease'' by economists.. A lot of the brighter people have already left Russia to avoid conscription....
We may never find out how many aircraft have crashed in Russia, and how many passengers have been killed.
Sure, YOU may never do it.
What do you think, that Russia is in another planet? There is no way they could hide accidents or deaths related to air travel! Silly comment
Any aircraft is better than Boeing.
Please whisper Aeroflot into my ear
It’s EYE-row-flot.
russia has neglected their airline industry for years but never abandon it ,what the russian engineers now doing is remarkable, building an industry that has to be total independent from any none russian supplier is a huge task ,but the only option , but it seems they pull it off since the russian aviation industry was never dead ,big step is that they have their own engines and composit manufacturing producing for example composite wings for the MC 21 that are ahead of western suppliers since the americans already started well before 2022 to sabotage the russian industry with sanktions .
Russian companies produced gear for western aviation companies, now they are producing for russian aviation companies.
@@shisui3436such as?
And yet we're not seeing a new 100% Russian built aircraft in service
@@michaeldunham3385 Show me a western aircraft that was designed and built in 19 months.
@@bernventer5949 why such a narrow time frame? Does it bother you that the major Russian airlines use western built aircraft.
Don't bother with the SSJ100 either designed by Boeing and all it's major components are either made in the west or of western origin.
Dont buy the Max, its a flawed design and built with substandard building practices. This is a deadly combination.
Fun fact : MSN 585 as shown in the video is now being delivered to Air India
Air India just bought like 500 Boeing and Airbus airplanes. They’re not going to buy Russian aircraft, neither is anyone else.
It’s like choosing to buy a bootleg Russian EV over a Tesla. Doesn’t make any sense to buy inferior technology and equipment
the beat is very annoying. Have no ides why so many youtubers adopted this unprofessional tactic at the same time. But I don't listed to full videos because of it.
Boeing already stopped manufacturing B-747, B-757, grounded 737 Max, producing now B777 and B787. Airbus stopped manufacturing A380 and A340 , and keep lineup of A320 and A350. The A330 isn't popular among international airlines.
Well Russia has great engineers, resources and manpower to excel in that domain, at the end of the conflict, Russia will emerge as a global aviation competitor to the west.. all what the west did was to shoot itself in the foot and militarize it economy
All of Russia's smart people left when the war started.They are probably working with allied nations giving secrets on their best electronic warfare capabilities.
It's a a big news for worldwide...
Yeah, the Boeing 737 MAX should have been delivered to Russia as planned, that was a bigger sanction than not doing so.
I'm even more curious of what the Russian aviation sphere will look like when and if Russia does reopen, its likely these troubles will continue further into the future.
Russia will definitely transfer to own made aircrafts or Chinese at least with time
Nothing will 're-open', the West now builds a new Iron Curtain, we are entering the Cold War 2.0, the West against the East again, but now the blocks are bigger.
Well. Kind of like Iranian one. Lackluster.
@@ARTILLLA04 They can't. Many of the parts in Chinese made plane are Western technologies.
@@nntflow7058Russia is an aircraft manufacturer. Don't compare it with Iran. In any case, Russia is a superpower for known reasons.
oh hi mom hang on a second let me turn the music on !
When you have partners who aren’t reliable enough go your way and develop your own. I didn’t understand why they were leasing passenger planes when they had the capacity to manufacture them right inside Russia. It’s bye bye to the west forever long leave Russia.
♥️ just imagine, if ♥️both♥️ sides have the same power weapons ♥️
TU214 retired 😂😂😂. Isn’t is a new jet?
Pay attention to the first things people say, like full scale invasion. It wasn't. It was very limited to engender a political response, to get negotiations. As we now know, thwarted by Boris Johnson.
Limited? Kremlin aggressors concentrated their forces for half a year at the Ukrainian border, laying day and night not to attack Ukraine. Until 24.02.2022 when they launched a full-scale invasion. From north, east, and south. Including an attack of Kiev that failed. Today Russia is a terrorist state.
What sanctions!? 150+ countries trade freely with russia ..im from Serbia and we trade more now then before..i guess its same for most countries ...
Well, Russia must be all set on woven baskets and carpets, then.
@@wintersbattleofbands1144 If you have nothing to say then don't make a fool of yourself.
Thats clearly mis-information as this is almost as many countries as there are in the world ! And lets face it many of them are tiny corrupt backward African states ! But I know how Serbia loves Putin because you all think the same way....
With this war,their not trading now.Russia is nearly bankrupt,and they have no way to export goods.
@@galvinstanley3235 What evidence can you present to backup your statement?
If russian airlines have the misfortune of having a single accident or issue outside their airspace, I can bet they will be forbidden to fly outside russia in a snap by all the countries that still allow it.
With relationship with Western countries turning sour, Russia has no choice but to be self sufficient in the aviation industries. A return to the previous Cold War status, between the West and the Soviet. No ? 🤔
Why not get something from Chinese? You can't be self sufficient in everything, even China and the US aren't.
A return to Russia’s aircraft safety record to. Wonder which hockey team it will be first 💀
But they can't be as self-sufficient as the Soviet Union was because most of the former Soviet bloc are not their friends.
That was never a good scenario anyway, as we saw it was not sustainable
@@CausticLemons7but now there is China.
Vatnik site ... LOL !
In fact, Russia died two years ago☝
Do not pay attention to those who say that this is not the case. Putin pays them.
Pewtin
Russia has just about managed to make ends meet, but aviation will still struggle until its war on Ukraine ends!
It will struggle years after that. Russia (Putin) burned so many bridges, they won't be welcomed back soon. Great job by Putin isolating the country again. The war seems like it going to drag on for years to come.
it isn't "making ends meet". they feel quite comfortable
@@iliasrbn8930 that’s not what’s going on with the Russian economy at all not even close it’s really struggling
@@johniii8147I watched a video the other day. Russian stores are stocked.
No it's not, Germany's is though.@@johniii8147
Since the sanctions are so popular in Russia, and everything is running smoothly, theres no call for hostility , or removal of them. Just leave it like that or even add more.
Certainly safety and profitability of Russian airlines are way up , now that its all in Russian hands. Its great for consumers and will push western countries to do better. Win win👍
So what eill happen to Boeing when China and Russia stop buying Boeing aircraft? Same with German luxury cars? Like the C919, China will make their own, just like high tech nano chips and cell phones! Xiaom just partnered with Leica to make the best cellphone/camera in the world.
People will find another Way to substitute for American MAFIA products
I think it's great to see Russia once again produce its own passenger aircraft, but I wish this revival was for better reasons.
Don’t get too excited it’s not going very well
@@johniii8147How is it not going to well? SSJ just flew with 100% components as did the Il-96-400M. Their new engine is doing well. If anything they are miles ahead of anything I ever expected.
@@thexchox1554 Still 0 orders for either of those planes, not even in Russia. And the Superjet still flies a French engine.
@@azurefire7266There are no orders for IL-96-400M and its future is uncertain.
But you are wrong about SSJ. There is around 100 orders for it.
Another 100 for TU-214.
And 300 for MC-21.
Russia will build its own planes for itself in big numbers, it is certain.
@@johniii8147
Keep telling yourself that, probably helps you sleep
There is nothing illegal if you are sanctioned by America and thd West, they are not the United Nations, nor do they have the moral authority to do impose laws of who should trade and who shouldn't. The propensity for violence is not a moral authority position in humanity.
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I hope Russia will never buy planes from Boeing and Airbus again.
Russia must never be allowed to buy western aircraft and technology until they pay full war reparations to Ukraine
Sanctioning civil aviation was the most stupid thing they could have possibly done.
It affects and sets millions of innocent lives at stake, both in air and on the ground.
since when does ruzzia care about its civilians "innocent" lives LOL
You forgot to mention the nost important aircraft for the Russian internal market: The Il 114-300. THAT will be the saviour of the local airline industry.
Seems there is also a copy of the L-610 made by ¿UGZA or UZGA? that uses the same engines the Il-114 that can be useful too
Welcome Russia to the competition, now consumers have more choices.
The Russian aviation industry will be back in full swing thanks to sanctions. Well known corporations such as Tupolev, Ilyushin, Sukhoi, Yakovlev, Mikoyan already manufacturing excellent replacements for Boeing and Airbus. If anything it's a loss for these two aircraft manufacturers as Russian private airlines were leasing and buying 100's of their aircraft every 3-5 years. Brazil might sell their Embraer short and medium range aircraft if Russia needs them. Both countries are members of BRICS + and have great deal of cooperation.
Ehh by sanctioning them, they’re just giving more oppurtunity for russia’s own manufacturers to improve and adapt, possibly opening more competition in the market when the war ends.
In general, I agree with you, but this is Russia. This is not a new aircraft, but rather an old Soviet-style design 'modernized.' I will eat my hat if any of these 'new' Russian-developed planes are even remotely competitive with Airbus and Boeing.
...competition is good right, well at lest it is for the end user.
@@andycandy9649 airbus and boeing are private entities with no to less government support. Then comes Russia's manufacturers that will have all the financial and technical might of the Russian state because its now more of a prestige project for nation than just good economics. I am pretty sure if the sanctions are not lifted, Russia will be able to complete 2-3 iterations in the time boeing and airbus do just 1. Russia won't give a damn about it being economical as long as they have newer planes in the sky. Also do no discount Russian aerospace industry. They might not be a huge player in the commercial aviation but they are still one of the biggest exporters of military airplanes.
All these sanctions did was push Russia to be further independent from western firms and develop the tech on their own instead of just buying the tech from the western firms. In the long run, these sanctions have a potential to bite the west in the ass. In the short term, they might be giving a rosy picture for the west.
@@arc4055LMAO Airbus is not private has a state controlled board. The French government wrote off several hundred million Euros in loans to Airbus over the A380 and this caused them to lose their WTO case to Boeing. And Boeing receives subsidies from Washington and South Carolina. Seriously you didn’t even bother to research. And both Boeing and Airbus only exist because of EU and America’s government runned export financing bank. Without it developing countries could never afford billions in airplanes from private financing.
@@arc4055 Both Boeing and Airbus have received billions in 'support' from their respective governments indirectly in forms of subsidies, tax breaks, loans at negligible rates, R&D support for 'strategic' reasons, funding routed through other channels like defense procurements at inflated prices, lobbying by government for sales etc. The WTO cases both companies filed against each other had blown off the lid against the myth that these don't receive any support from government.
You can find many articles on the WTO dispute on many internationally recognized financial websites. It's an interesting read that you should take a look at. The ending of that dispute is also somewhat funny.
Only Boeing and erbas on end paying price . Like gas ⛽ America stopped gas export .But Russia an Chinese will develop suner own parts for own aircraft
Russian commercial aircraft are coming the Irkut MC-21-200 or 300, Tupolev TU-214,
IL-96-400 and I'm sure China's Comac C-919 and C-929 will be in Russia skies. and
if Airbus builds a sanction proof plane orders will be coming.
Thanks European and us gays - we will be flying our own fleet sooner, than you could imagine…
❤❤❤❤❤ injustice around the world ♥️🌎🌎🌎♥️ needs to be stopped, remember that what goes around comes around soon or later....... ❤️❤️❤️❤❤❤️
With all the air craft they took got to have parts keep them flying who is going to supply parts to them must be looked into .
IL - 300 and IL - 400 wide body jets for passenger will be Better.. better and better
if it were indeed a full scale invasion it would long be over. It was an attempt to bring UA to the negotiating table and it failed due to western influence. Russia retreated from Kiew to show goodwill and later from Kharkiv to gather sufficien forces to finish the task on the battlefield as it became later visible to anyone who is capable of and willing to see.
Sure thing, sport. 😅
@@-TheOracle- Perhaps you would have preferred to see one of the greatest humanitarian crises happening in Ukraine had Russia decided to go all out (shock and awe) in that country. You don't really know what war is, do you sport?
@@edwardwongiii2229 Putin and Kirill had no intention of taking all of Ukraine. A total invasion of Ukraine would require all of Russia's more modern military and not just conscripts shoved into WW II equipment. Putin only needs to purge his society thru the "special purging operations." You do know that all this horse shyte of Putin's has nothing to do with NAZIs in Ukraine. A cleansing of Russia's drug abusers, prisoners, the poor, and unwanted indigenous citizens through a so called conscript war continues. He also required an elitist purge as well. Hence the fact that many thieves, generals to CEOs, found open windows.
I know war all to well as a disabled veteran. I also know about Russia's up and coming more "national" tested new economy. If the USA does not get ahold of it's conservative alt right CEO greed from moving their manufacturing base out of the USA for profit over country, they to will be having to rebuild their economy just like Putin is doing. The major difference between the two countries, mass purging of the impoverished, drug abusers and "who dah baby's daddy" within the USA will not be tolerated. Always good to share the truth with people. Have a wonderful week!
@@edwardwongiii2229 Putin's war is nothing more than him and his old KGB buddy, Kirill's way of purging the unwanted from their country.
State of affairs in Russia have never been as good as Russians dream of, and never as bad as its enemies estimate. So It all will be painful, but Russia will cope with it after all.
Russia just by 92 new airplant 😂
Sanction always helps a country to stand on its own feet. It's a Keynesian war financing. The sanctions made Russia stronger. For example, yanks suckered the EU into halting food shipments to RU. Spain and Italy stopped exporting hams and salamis. The result? Russia developed their own pork industry and can supply its own without imports. Who suffered? Spain and Italy. That's just one example. Guess what? Italian salami is now readily available in RU, and it's cheap.
Russia has a province called Krasnodar. It's about the size of France and has fantastic soil for agriculture. So, Russia further developed that land. This is just one example of how the sanctions failed while Russia strengthened.
In fact, Russia is so strong they shipped tons of wheat to Venezuela free of charge while Trump was trying to steal Venezuela's oil. Russia also forgave $20B debt owed to it by Africa, Just today Russia announced they will ship tons of wheat to Africa!
America and Canada, where I live, are in decline. EU as well, We are going into Depression. Thousands of Canadians have fled. We need regime change here, not there....written by a RUclips member. I copied his theme.
A Rússia tem mesmo que se adaptar porque á velocidade que estão a ser abatidos aviões e navios um dia destes só com fisgas 😂😂😂
Full scale.....
It's Pootin, not P-you-tean.
Its time to move on.Rusia is one of the best in this new self dependence.a very good example.
He cant win he be bumped off his power dying slow
I was searching "aeroflot" just , and the ridiculous video titles that came up: "son of pilot driving", "drunk pilot", "plane in free fall", "pilot sleeping", "airplane in flames", "the last moment of flight..." and of course "russian flight attendants". What mind!!! 😂🙄
This sanction game is so overplayed by the west that I think many countries would eventually move to Chinese aircrafts once they hit production lines and demonstrate a decent safety record.
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Russia already has an elaborate aviation industry. It doesn't have to import aircraft from China. Russia has had a poor marketing strategy that made its aviation industry lag behind the West. Poor marketing leads to inadequate revenues. Inadequate revenues means that no money is available to finance innovation. Sanctions have kept off Western competitors. Without Western competitors, the Russian aviation industry will not only have the revenues it needs but also the motivation to innovate.
@@linkmeforfun Sanctions are certainly a driver for innovation, but the result will still only be an innovated version of an aircraft that was inferior to western aircraft 15 years ago. Why would you think they would have "the revenues" - their potential market is smaller, they are working under sanctions, they are already behind AND their potential customers might still choose others just so as not to draw unwanted attention?
Also these innovations will take decades to come up with and implement. Sanction do not stop anything and no one expects that. They are meant to eat away at efficiency and profits, one percent at a time, and forcing Russia to waste time and money on things they otherwise would have had without problems.
@@FarmerSchinkenThere is no limit to innovation. Already, Russia has proven its economic innovation by rendering the huge barrage of Western sanctions ineffective. As you may have realized, prior to sanctions, the Russian economy was extremely inefficient. But, sanctions have made the Russian economy utilize its resources in a more effective way. In the long term, this efficiency will continue to increase and will trickle down to major sectors of the economy including the aviation sector. Russia has all the resources it needs to compete effectively in all technological domains. Poor management has been the main issue rather than lack of resources. Western sanctions happen to be a blessing in disguise in this regard. The desire to keep its superpower status is motivation enough to push Russia to improve on its lackluster management of State affairs.
@@linkmeforfun Nothing of this makes sense unless you ignore economic theory and assume Russians are a superior race that can achieve more than others with less.
Especially if you consider that it is poor Russian management during peacetime and without sanctions that lead to all of this. Guess what. They are the same "managers" that now manage Russian industry with even more problems then before
Nothing unexpected. The IL96-400 on routes like St. Petersburg to Vladivostok. But Outside Russia nobody will accept it.
China, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Thailand and most African countries will accept.
Russia still operates in 76% of the world. The Chinese aerospace market alone is larger than all of the collective west.
USA and Europe like to pretend like they are the whole world but they are only a very tiny part of it.
@@PaulBreitner-ox6btwhen westerners said "nobody" or "all world" they mean themselves not the real world =) just small part of it
we have about 700+ airbus and boeing made planes in Russian airlines. Target is to make it 0. So in the near 10 years we actually will be to busy producing planes to think about it ))
The Russians are very capable. After all the Soviet Union was closed off from the West but still could all sorts of military and civilian aircraft. Maybe not always the best but pretty amazing. Perhaps sanctions far from weakening Russia are making her stronger.
The interesting question is what will happen to Russian aviation once the war is over. I suspect their international airlines will remain sanctioned till all the stolen planes and parts are paid for. The stolen planes will never be re-certified for landing in the West because of unauthorised parts and maintenance. And their pilots will have lost their certifications. It's going to take at least a generation to recover their ability to run the full range of international routes.
Most of pilots would move on to joint ventures with Southern airlines like Uzbek, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, UAE etc etc and continue to fly. E.g. At present most of Russian pilots fly to Turkey and then in Turkey next crew would come on board to fly to W Europe. W European airlines face similar problems. Russian air space closed for them, so they should fly over North pole to reach asia and oceania. Which makes Emirates and Turkey more competitive on such flights.
Things will get back to normal much sooner as we expect today
😂 the ‘stolen’ aircraft will only be returned when stolen Russian assets by the west are returned 😢😢
@@kaboonali5466 Fine - you can stay isolated from the civilised world and turn into North Korea Mk II. Your choice.
What stolen planes Russia did not steal any planes they are still making the lease payments. The Western lease companies violated the lease contracts and tried to cancel the lease agreements. What makes you think unauthorized parts are being used for maintenance, other friendly countries are obtaining the parts for the Russian Airlines.
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Adapts - Isolates lol
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@@Oblivion9000 lol
I think that air security should not be used as a weapon against countries, because in the end, those who end up suffering are those who fly on planes. Yesterday I heard that Iran had many fatal plane crashes precisely because it was under sanctions. And then the question arises, if there is competition other than Airbus or Boeing, which may impose sanctions in the future, will countries potentially affected by sanctions buy Boeing or Airbus if there is another option, even if it is worse? The Chinese plane will continue to have Western equipment, knowing that China may also be sanctioned. I think what Russia did was shoot Airbus and Boeing in the head
The C919 is probably just the first step, if they ever make a C929 or C919 Max they'll probably replace the engines with Chinese copies. China is very good at copying.
The tankies are out in force for this one, I see.
When the West sanctioned Russia what were they thinking, that it would have the effects on a third world nation in Africa?
Bravo Russia! If Russia was able build great fighter jets I always wondered why they don't build passengers airplanes
Best news for Russian aviation sector.... Well done Russia!!!
Take the train to Russia & even then it's a bit dodgy.
Have taken many trains in, out and around Russia, Ukraine, Belarus. Never an issue and always very hospitable people towards a foreigner. Some interesting people on there though
You'd be surprised how extensive the rail network in Russia is. It is in good old US of A that there are train derailments just about every week, not in Russia. US infrastructure is falling apart yet they spend almost a trillion dollars annually on their military but can't keep-up with 155mm shell production for Ukraine. In fact, whole of NATO cannot match Russia's shell production. That's what happens when one outsources heavy industry to China.
The dodgy trains are in the USA.
@@ExternalInputs So I've heard & viwed on Y/T
They can develop and build their own aircraft, but not being able to land in a number of western countries they will lose money
Well, Russia is turning to the rest of the world which are receiving them with open arms. When you look at the ecnomic status of Russia and Western countries it's quite clear who is loosing the economic war.
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Not called invasion of Ukraine by the Russians living in Eastern Ukraine and undergoing attacks, shelling by their fellow countrymen for 8 years. It is a relief and rescue mission. Big difference.
Надо гнать все западные страны в шею из России. И всех, кто нас оскорбил или вводил санкции никогда бошьше не пускать на русскую землю. Мы не забываем зло и хамское отношение к себе.
What western countries are in Russia?
Russian and Chinese replacements for Boeing and Airbus will never pass international certification allowing them to fly the lucrative routes in the west and land/takeoff from western airports. I seriously doubt if Aeroflot and the other Russian airlines will have sufficient passengers to justify the high cost of terminals, maintenance, and fuel.
@gregash7683 Two can play the same game. Russia and China can withdraw their certification for Western planes, ie declare them unsafe.
gregash ---- you ignorant morons believe the usa, england, and a few others are the "entire world" lolololololol.
Most of the world is in asia which dont care to play with the usa political games. Im sure russia will sell jets just fine like they have been for hundreds of years.
You need to get out of your bubble and open your eyes !!!!!
They will probably never fly to Western countries, but I think Middle East will probably let them fly there. So you'll fly Chinese or Russian plane to a hub in Dubai or Turkey, then transfer to an Airbus or Boeing plane for the last leg of the flight.
@@awdrifter3394 That's a viable option, but certainly not the most efficient travel. Like oil transfers in the Mediterranean, it's costly, subject to accidents, and inefficient. The weak link is Russian flights to the Middle East. Aircraft stolen from western airlines or leasing companies could be impounded, that is, if they can safely fly in the first place. the Russian commercial aircraft industry is almost nonexistent. That leaves ME airlines providing service to and from Russian cities. Ticket prices in Russian roubles is anyones' guess.
One way or another, Russians will make it, due their experience in the air field science. The gaps of market, with "friendly" Kremlin`s countries, was a logical step to get all spare parts and core criticals devices from them. They`ve got all it takes to keep Russian aviation up dated and running as well.
Science certainly didn’t save the USSR. It’s certainly will not save Russia.
Well good for Russians I guess! They need to fly too!
I respect these nations for making their own efforts in creating their own aircraft so they won't be at the mercy of these nations who love to dictate others