E187 - Brandon Hyde Throws Hat After Ejection by Edwin Moscoso When O’s Can’t Challenge Safe Call
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- 1B Umpire Edwin Moscoso ejected Orioles manager Brandon Hyde for arguing a safe call on Jeremy Peña's 6th inning single when Baltimore was unable to review the play due to a failed challenge in the 2nd. In turn, Hyde threw his hat as Larry Vanover returned to the field. Report: www.closecalls...
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Rumor has it Hyde challenged Lindsay's video last night and threw his hat, prompting a re-upload.
You're not far off, actually...
Great video. Learning about baseball rules with your explanations is fun and informative. Thank you for your effort.
I won't repost my entire comment from last night on this reupload, but for the Sabermetrics fans out there: Baltimore's win probability was 86.04% when they lost the challenge in the 2nd inning, and only would have increased to 86.20% (+/- 0.14%) had they won the challenge. The play in the sixth inning was potentially much more impactful: the call on the field gave them a 95.27% WP, where an overturn would have raised that to 96.41% (+/- 1.34%). The 6th inning challenge opportunity was nearly 10 times more valuable to securing a win. It seems like managers blow their challenges way too early in the game on whacker calls that are unlikely to alter the outcome of the game.
Ultimately, both calls on the field were correct, or at least so close that not even replay gives us clear evidence that they were missed.....AND the O's managed to whiz this one down their leg in the late inning anyhow.
And yes, a stronger SAFE mechanic held for longer might have prevented the whole kerfuffle. Everything else about the play was officiated well (including the movement to read the poor throw and potential developing play), but as Jekyll knows, all it takes is one little thing to bring Mr. Hyde out of the dugout.
So much good stuff here. Love when Lyndsay puts on her Staff Instructor hat and teaches umpire mechanics. Glad Moscoso got that call right despite being on the run when he saw it. Damn, that's an experienced umpire that I can admire. Atta Babe Edwin!
Edwin got everything right, but like you said, safe mechanic could be a little bit better. I think Hyde here was acting like a real tool for no reason
Well thing was he was walking away and then he got tossed
@@nickp0632 It dosen't fucking matter if he's walking away. He was ejected for saying what he said BEFORE he walked away
Excellent commentary as usual…
Hopefully the umpire watched his weak mechanic and Hyde listens to your strong explanation 👍
Wasn't this uploaded last night? Why the reupload?
So I wasn't imagining things!
Sounds like the people behind Jeopardy weren't happy about their music being used.
@@ronaldwayne7092AHA
Nah, it wasn't anything from them (it wasn't even their music, it was something I made). It was the league.
I'm just sick of the verbal abuse. It's sickening at this point. The hot heads need to be taken out of baseball each and every one of them.
Just gonna leave this, but it sounds like there’s a yell there I don’t know if it says safe but there’s definitely audio
I was watching the game from the Orioles broadcast and it looked like he didn't make a call. I do agree with Moscosso's call at first, but I just think Hyde was also frustrated by the horrible ball strike calls.
I enjoyed your trebek/canadian style "sorry" 😂😂
Hopefully the Brian Anderson also learned a thing or two about the rules.
*Narrator:* He did not.
He was safe and he signaled safe. He also made that call right away. They got both calls correct. Manager is outta bounds on this one. Wasted your challenge on a call that was correct. Then you turn your back after mouthing off and are shocked you're tossed? FOH
I suspect the main reason for the short (and short span) safe call was the the first base umpire was moving quickly and laterally to his right. It is awkward to run, or otherwise move quickly, with your arms spread wide. Contrast to the home plate umpire who was stood still and stable, thus able to have a more emphatic and wide safe signal/arm motion.
As Lindsay always tells us, there are many advantages to an umpire getting in the correct position, stopping, and then making the call.
Double down on the safe call mechanic lesson. Confused at the re upload for a sec
Not sure why you deleted the original video. But my answer about the broadcaster being suspended was answered by
VisibilityFoggy.
"The team owner threw a fit and suspended the O's play by play broadcaster because he casually mentioned an accurate statistic about the Os-Rays record this season. It was bizarre and has been criticized roundly throughout the league all week."
Kevin Brown probably would have seen the safe call. Shame he got suspended.
I can't stand when, people act like that manager. And listening to people wonder when the ump was going to call safe or out was like nails on chalkboard after the first time. Dude it was right there.
Yes, the safe call was very weak. I don't know why. Any umpire that's been around awhile knows that if a play is close, your call and signal should be very adamant -- that's Umpiring 101. My only guess is that Moscoso wasn't sure about his call.
Perhaps Moscoso didn't think it was close. After all, it would have been a very clear confirm if it had gone to review.
I know that all of us who worked the lower levels of the game (formerly thousands, now just dozens) are different. I was not able to buy into the idea that you had and/or showed confidence with a big demonstration. To me, having and showing confidence meant having the same reaction to the four millimeter force out that you would have for the forty foot force out. Because both calls would be equally correct. 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
Your mileage may vary. And so might the mileage of #32.
Earl wasn't the manager in '83.
Edwin, use your outdoor voice and shout SAFE, and a more demonstrative mechanic.
This ejection was kind of a weird one. But, it's no surprising either. Also, #FreeKevinBrown.
Timestamps:
⏺️ 3:27: Orioles Broadcast (1) - “Did he (1B Umpire); thrown him out? Did he get tossed?” Uh yes, Brandon Hyde (Baltimore Orioles’ Manager); got ejected. ⤵️
⏺️ 4:03: And, here’s my favorite part. So, after getting tossed, Mr. Hyde angrily throws his hat down on the ground & getting in the 1B Umpire’s face (the one who ejected him); while the broadcaster on the TBS Broadcast saying (4:04-4:05): “…Out of this game and he’s gonna get his money’s worth...” Mario coin ding part 1 (4:06 ➡️ 😂🤣😂🤣). ⤵️
⏺️ 4:07: Astros Broadcast - “…And Hyde going at it with him (1B Umpire).” Basically, more trash talking from Brandon himself:
⏯️ 4:08-4:09-4:10-4:11-4:12. ⤵️
⏯️ 4:13-4:14-4:15-4:16-4:17. ⤵️
⏯️ 4:18-4:19-4:20-4:21-4:22. ⤵️
✳️ And, last but not least: ✳️
⏯️ 4:23-4:24-4:25-4:26-4:27. ⤵️
⏺️ 4:46: Orioles Broadcast (2) - “Brandon Hyde got his money’s worth.” Mario coin ding part 2 (4:48). 😂🤣😂🤣 Oh did he ever.
Final Result: Astros def. Orioles 7-6.
My Thoughts: Oh dear, Brandon Hyde. Looks like you decided to double your investment there after getting tossed despite the right call being made by the 1st Base Umpire & having no extra replay challenges. In my opinion, they should give even team at least 2-3 replay challenges per game.
This was all because no one knew the ump actually made a freaking call on the play. Hyde wouldn't have been ecjected if the ump made a vlear call here.
Your gone Brandon
Why cant Hyde just ask is it was a safe call or not and then thats the end of it?
Oh my sweet summer's child......if only game participants had the capacity for civil interaction with umpires during the game
@@teebob21 I know how it currently *works* I just wanna know why this is such a huge fucking issue for umpires.
@@chrisMoutkastragtop It's not a huge deal for umpires. There are two problems to your idea of a polite request. First off, the umpire responsible for judging the play has already judged it. There is nothing to change; his mind is made up if he has seen all the elements of the play. Secondly, managers and coaches rarely come out politely and ask questions. They generally simply make statements, such as in this case: "you fucking missed it" when, in fact, Moscoso had NOT missed it.
What is being asked by Hyde here? Nothing.
The question to ask is not why this is a problem for umpires. The question to ask is "why can't players and managers keep their shit together and be civil?"
I’m not a fan of losing your challenge when the replay can’t confirm the call. Because a team could be correct in challenging, but if the broadcasters and camera men don’t happen to get the right angle, or it’s between frames, you get double slapped. I think you should be able to challenge again later in the game if the video replay call is stands.
I could get behind that. Only lose challenge if call confirmed and you get the challenge back at the top of the 8th. Definitely want ABS challenge system too though.
‘Call stands’ just means the play is too close to really make a great argument either way, so going with the umpire’s initial reaction is best and using up time for a replay is a waste. There are almost 0 cases where camera angles are inhibiting the review.
@@stephenbeck7222 if it’s too close to decide, then the challenge isn’t frivolous and isn’t a waste of time. The teams have to make a snap decision based on gut feeling from a bad angle. The goal should be to get the most calls right.
@@Scott9002ca Disagree. If it's so close to adjudicate in slow motion, then it was a waste of a challenge. Challenges should be for blown calls, not whackers that didn't go your way.
Plain and simple, you would have lost the call at first anyway if you challenged. He was out.
I'm starting to feel like they need to start reviewing ejections and handing out fines when managers continue and escalate situations. At least they will ACTUALLY be getting their money's worth.
There's a fine that already comes with an ejection I believe
Another thin-skinned mlb umpire.
another cry baby manager
Sub par crew In Baltimore last night. Unfortunately the fans have to suffer through 2 more games of poor officiating.
Why are you so anti Oriole? I just don't get it. Umpires make themselves the center of attention. Maybe its your last placed Yankee fandom? What does Hyde's team have to do with an annoucer?
She's referencing Kevin Brown
1. Nowhere in this video did the umpires make themselves the "center of attention" 2. I don't think Lindsay has any affiliation with the Yankees at all? 3. Hydes team is the Orioles, not sure if you could figure that one out on your own, the same Orioles that suspended their announcer for reading off a graphic that was made and allowed by multiple other people. So it has everything to do with the announcer.
Do you often hear a huge WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH sound after you speak?
And she's attributing the owner's temper-tantrum to the Team. That's not right. But I get it.@@RyTwoK
There don't seem to be a lot of CCS clips where it shows the O's getting the close calls right, so maybe that's where Timmm is going with this. Maybe B. Hyde and the O's don't get a lot of these things right? I was at the game and I thought the early challenge, while close wouldn't go Baltimore's way. So that's right-on. I don't know if the collection of O's clips here is an accurate reflection of the team's competency, but at times I've been right there with Timm scratching my head. But maybe that's universal with fans of all teams presented at CCS? More often than not, it may not reflect on your team in a positive way.
All the extraness... i just wanted to see the play