The Pirates runner could have absolutely destroyed the catcher on this play. But, he didn’t. He relied on the rules to be enforced. That’s what baseball said they wanted. I think this is the correct call under the rules.
the PIrate also couldve slid into home plate. You can argue that he mildly crashed, but whatever. This rule is another one that is ruining the game IMO
@CableTvTomato nah, all you need to do is (1) call the runner out if he crashes and eject for a minimum of 3 games (2) fine him $50k minimum. The rule as written right now is too gray and obviously cannot be ruled correctly because theres too much judgment involved
Not just under the rules, but for the catcher's safety and runner's restraint and understanding of the rules. This behaviour from the implementation of this rule should be rewarded!
1:17 Right there chirinos gives the runner a path to the inner part of the plate. He then adjusts to where the ball is going which leads him to blocking the plate. I don't really see how this is his fault. You can't expect him not to go into the throw and try to backhand it... so what is he supposed to do?
I get what you're saying but the issue is that a player rounding third is going to have his momentum carry him into foul territory. By Chirinos setting up in the batters box, that is setting up in the runner's path toward the plate. I hate it, but I get it. If Chirinos was inside of the foul line the runner would have a clear path and it would have been an easy out. Also tough for a catcher to calculate all of that in the timing of a play. Bad rule but the right call was made
@@JasonDurantYouVangelize I agree with you that's it's a bad rule, but this is not even breaking the rule we currently have. According to this rule you are allowed to block the plate if the ball is heading that way or if you have the ball. The catcher was first setting up on the inside but because he saw the throw was coming towards the foul side, he moved over to catch the ball and apply the tag. So this is a horrible call even according to the horrible rule
After the manager was ejected, the umps actually convened and then called him back to the field to explain why the runner was safe. So eject the manager for asking for an explanation, then call him back to the field and give him the explanation. LOL good job guys.
@@darinlegore284 it’s still stupid either way I mean they shouldn’t tell him to stay in the freaking Dugout when he deserves an explanation as a manager so it just shows the weak umpires
@@darinlegore284 He wasn't trying to argue the replay decision though. He just wanted an explanation. If the umps were so sure of themselves, they shouldn't have re-convened, then called him back out, and then explained it to him. Plain and simple. The umps proved the ejection was uncalled for when they did all that. It was a quick reaction ejection due to power tripping and assuming that Hyde was gonna call horse manure on the replay which he did not.
@@darinlegore284 do the agreed upon rules say that after a replay review that managers are never allowed to leave the dugout? Do the agreed upon rules say that after a replay review that managers are not allowed to ask for a clarification on something else?
Here's the problem with this video, @closecallsports. At 3:02 of your video, what you say directly contradicts what is shown. Chirinos sets up in foul territory, providing a clear lane for the runner. The throw draws him back over the plate, which, as you explain in the first part of the video, is specifically allowed in the rulebook. Let's strive for honesty, @closecallsports. (Also, unsubbed, as the last 2 vids I've watched of yours have been off-putting and wrong).
So arguing a replay is an automatic ejection? I got confused because Jeff Nelson let Buck Showalter argue a review for 5 minutes yesterday and didn’t run him.
Ron Kulpa can do anything he wants, after all, by his own declaration. The baseball ejection rules are so stupid. Can’t argue balls and strikes. Can’t argue reply while largely this year Mike Eastabrook butchers replay calls right and left. There’s a point of ejection but this shouldn’t be it. Especially when it’s not a safe vs out replay overturn etc. when it’s a judgement call like this the manager deserves an explanation of what was called and why.
@@uwsbus I agree on deserving an explanation but there is a wrong way and a right way to do it. Managers are acting just like all the other self entitled people out there and doing the whole "I can do what I want" BS and then wonder why there's consequences. If you're gonna act like a turd, don't be surprised if you get treated like a turd.
What are you supposed to do as a catch. Mlb is soft now. The catcher caught the ball where it was thrown. He moved the the path of the ball. Horrible call
Watch the set up between this one and the one in ejection 123. The ejection 123 that catcher (in my non professional opinion) did things according to the rules. This one the catcher set up blocking at the same time the throw started so he did not move into position in result of the 'trajectory' of the ball.
Where in the rules does it state the catcher needs to set up in front of home plate? I might be wrong, but my understanding is the catcher needs to give a path. Majority of catchers leave the back of home plate as a path but any catcher if he wants could set on the back of the plate and leave front as a path. Which is what technically happened in this play
@@CHICHEProductions100 in this case, with the runner rounding third, his base path (which he is allowed to create anywhere he wants by rule) runs directly through where the catcher set up. Therefore in this specific play, the catcher would need to be in front of the plate or, theoretically, could move way into foul territory. Blocking is not determined by the chalk line.
What on earth are you all seeing?! With the Twins game, the catcher lined up the whole time in the path to the plate and Baldelli came out and immediately tore his hat off, ready for a fight. Go frame by frame with this from the outfield view. The O's catcher had both feet outside of the base line. As the ball came in, he pivoted over to catch it. But even when he went to the ground, he kept one knee up, giving a path for the runner to slide under the tag. BUT the problem is the base runner was WAY outside of the base line. Then at the point where someone would slide, the ball was still behind him. and the plate was open, even though the catcher started to slide over. The runner chose not to slide and ran toward the inside corner of the plate, which is where the ball came in. Had he taken a better line around third, putting him a good 12 feet wide of the plate with 20 feet left to run (probably should have been called out for that), he would have been in a better position to slide. The catcher had nothing to do with this. But question, was this a robot voice interrupting the play by play?
Lin, I hate the way that this rule is enforced at the present, simply because the catcher has to guess what the replay crew is going going to think, and in a case like this, there's a 99.9% chance that the ball is going to end up where it did, so I can understand the catcher setting up a little earlier. I'm glad you mentioned RLI, because there's a clear description of when a batter-runner is protected-he's in the lane all the way down, and can step the final step out of the lane to touch the bag. Make the blocking the plate rule black and white-if the catcher does not fully set up in fair territory and only move when it looks like he can no longer take the throw from that position, the run can be counted for him blocking the plate.
CATCHERS: step into fair territory on a potential play at the plate to give runner a lane. Then, you can move to runner’s path, if necessary, to field the ball OR tag the runner with possession of the ball. I tell 9-year-olds this all the time. (And 10-18 yr olds.)
"Brandon Hyde simply wants an explanation." Okay, here's a radical idea: wait until in between innings, then quietly ask Culpa, "What happened with that call?" Probably too much to expect though.
@@brianmullaney6237 What exactly did the manager expect? What new information can they get? The umpire crew on the field DID NOT make the decision the replay, and did not watch the replay. Arguing or questioning them will not change a damm thing, as replay is final.
Think logically. The umps didn't even call interference. You want them to explain a call New York made and relayed to them? "New York says he blocked the plate" is all they'll be able to say. If the manager has questions or arguments by rule he gets tossed. The umps don't have ego, they have their hands tied. The call is made in New York. The ejection rule is set in stone by New York and they must follow it or they'll be poorly graded.
Had the catcher set up legally this would have been called out. I'm not so sure this would have stood either way. This is by far the worst rule in sports. No one, not even the umpires, know what to call in this situation.
Too bad Kulpa assumed he was coming out to argue the reversal from replay. Reading his lips he wants to appeal that the runner never touched the plate after they called him safe
I think the EASIEST way to re-work this rule is that the catcher may not be in contact with the ground anywhere inside the front half of the left batter's box (from the back of the plate forward) before the throw is made.
I'm loving these breakdowns of this rules and it is helping me understand it better but I've said it before and I'll say it again...If you need four minute RUclips explanations of gray-area judgement calls to get even a smidge closer to understanding a rule, it's a bad rule.
@ECBU Training Yes, but knowing the text of the rule and understanding the practical applications (and how the umpires are instructed to interpret them) are 2 different things. All I'm saying is the more time and it takes to explain the latter, the worse the rule.
But, you showed an example in the picture in picture of a call ruled a block of the plate... That run scored in your example of a "legal" block because it was illegal... The catcher had set up in advance, totally across the plate, instead of setting up for a sweep tag that would give Myers a lane (at least that must be what it was ruled otherwise I'd have to agree with you)l, it was gray but I really hate this rule so I'd rather it have truly been an out.
So you are saying that an umpire can give a manager an order any time he feels like it? Really? If a manager wants to argue a play at second base and the umpire doesn’t feel like listening to him he can just order the manager to stay in the dugout and then eject him if he steps one foot out of the dugout? Really??? That’s preposterous. Hyde said in his post game press conference that he didn’t argue the call at all. He was asking about wether or not he could appeal that the runner never touched home. But the umpire just felt like tossing him. Ridiculous. I know you can’t argue a replay call. Hyde was not arguing. He was asking about something else. But the umpire prematurely tossed him. Terrible.
@@DCLover19 thing is the crew chief thinks he was arguing the replay call. And it’s a broadcaster giving you info which is almost always speculation and wrong. You don’t know for sure what he was saying. Stay in the dugout.
This use to not be in the rules because the catcher had a chance to make a play to make an out and the runner had to try and avoid the out, this has got out of hand!! Lets go back to old days!! Also, why cant they just explain this to the manager instead of tossing them and if they start arguing, then toss them!!
Never done college or higher ball but in high school after Ive gotten together with my partner and we determined we would change a call, I’d call over both coaches and explain what we had. This coach wanted an explanation I don’t see a problem with that. (I get the rule of an auto heave but I don’t believe it’s right)
As usual the umpires can do no wrong on this channel, before the ball arrived the runner had the inside of plate then catcher blocked as ball arrived....do a better job
No he was set up ILLEGALLY read thr comments even a 15 year old who is a catcher said he was. He should have set up in fair territory or behind the plate.
@@63076topher Read the rule and tell me when the catcher blocked the plate it certainly was Not before ball arrived...Rule 6.01(i)(2) Comment: A catcher shall not be deemed to have violated Rule 6.01(i)(2) unless he has both blocked the plate without possession the ball (or when not in a legitimate attempt to field the throw), and also hindered or impeded the progress of the runner attempting to score.
If you want to get rid of the grey area, put lines down for the runnners lane on the camera for replay. They have the tech to do it. If the catcher stands with a foot completely inside the lines, before the throw is made- Then it is blocking the plate. MLB likes the contraversy tho.
I wondered something. With a manager wanting an explanation, do the field umpires even get one from New York, or is it simply a “Yes/No” or “Safe/Out” call?
Usually it is just the result, however if it is an unusual play more info may be given. Expect explanations to get a little more in depth as the years go on!
Even my 14 year old who is a catcher saw this. Catcher set up blocking the plate to start. I asked him where would you have setup? He said either in front of plate the in fair territory or behind the plate in foul territory leaving a lane until the last second.
Smart kid. General rule of thumb, if the throw is coming from the third base side, always setup just inside of fair territory at the top of the plate. Move to make the catch when appropriate, drop the knee, make the tag.
@@tycorbson9651 simple catcher interfered on his first step out any other movement it’s an ejection if he continues to argue keep the batters going around the bases.
@@TheSjuris Yeah, asking the crew chief a rules question is an ejectable offense. Or did you miss Hyde's comment about the ejection during the postgame press conference?
It's pretty obvious that they have decided to leave these calls for the replay booth. The rest of us can't do that. Clearly a collision rule violation. Good call..by the booth.
Yep, i agree with this one. Unlike 123 where the catcher adjusted to the trajectory of the throw, this one, the catcher set his blocking at the time of the throw.
Can you analyze the nimmo out call at second from the game today? For potential slide rule interference, and why nimmo was out? How is this different from the infield fly chaos where the runner was given second due to an umpire’s error in calling him out? Would the review have been different if nimmo would have ran to second after the first tag attempt?
This looks like he wanted an explanation. As a coach, I can appreciate a different point of view as long as you can give me reasoning why the call was made. When I cannot get an explanation, all I feel is frustration.
Explanation is simple New York said he set up illegally no need to come out and argue a replay review it is a automatic ejection he knew the Explanation BEFORE he left the dugout after being asked not to.
@@63076topher You miss the point. NFL does this much better. The referee doesn't throw a flag because a coach requests explanation. The manager is not privy to the conversation from NY. It would be a nice gesture to give a brief explanation of the call. If the manager decides to carry on beyond the explanation, eject him.
Giants G.M. Brian Sabean was livid when Posey had his season ended by a triple A call up. Posey was not blocking home plate and he didn’t possess the ball. Owners aren’t fans of losing a franchise player in May.
Call was right on the replay, but BS on the ejection. Ump has no reason to warn him not to come out of the dugout. If he comes out to ask for clarification, that should be fine. If he then starts arguing, _then_ you toss him.
Normally, I defend the umpires, but I think this is crap. The crew chief should have to explain to the manager of the team that is adversely affected by a reversal in replay why the reversal was given. That should be written into the rules. I realize that it isn’t right now. But all Brandon Hyde is looking for is an explanation and he gets tossed for it. That’s pretty ridiculous.
it's obvious that the runner is able to manipulate the rule by changing his path into the catcher instead of actually trying to find the plate. when the ball beats you to the plate by two steps the plate blocking rule should not even be part of the call anyway.
What if the catcher sets the block the plate in fair territory, would it be consider obstruction at home plate? Including, why isn’t MLB changes the rule on legal definition of blocking the plate.
Think of it as the three second rule in Basketball, except it's 3 tenths of a second or less. The Catcher has to choose an inside lane, or an outside lane, he chose the center lane, and once his knee went down, he blocked the plate, thus not allowing a pathway for the runner to score. SAFE!
I don't understand I guess. The catcher moved out of the way, then the ball brought him back because he had to catch it. So he should've caught the ball, then moved out of the way? Rob Manfred is ruining baseball.
This rule protects both parties from getting potential career ending injuries. Over the years I’ve seen catchers get DESTROYED by the runner because of plate blocking so this rule is far from stupid to me.
The catcher has the right to catch the ball but by the same token he CANNOT cover the plate without the ball in this case is he was et up on the front or the back side of the plate he COULD HAVE CAUGHT THE BALL AND THEN APPLIED THE TAG!!! But this new rule is going to take some time for the catchers to get used to and setting up on the front or the back side of the plate. They will learn to do it or keep getting runs scored on the team and pitchers stats mucked up. Either way they WILL LEARN IT OR BACK TO THE MINORS THEY WILL GO!! OR the new catchers coming up through the minors will have learned it and they will be replaced by the new breed that knows how to set up on the plate according to the new rule. Bottom line is the Old dogs will adjust or the new breeds coming up will get their jobs.
The commentator of this video contradicts what she says. If the ball is in front of the runner and the runner is clearly out. Yes the runner didn’t have a place to slide but the throw was there a few steps before the runner. The second half of the video shows everything that’s wrong with MLB umpires in the 2020s. The rule or not, throwing out the manager is pure ego.
I always love the homer announcers in these situations. Your right a 20 year plus umpire has no feel for the game. The rule says you cant argue a replay review decision. He didn't calmly walk out of the dugout for an explanation, he came out with his hands up with the intent to argue. These announcers are ridiculous at time.
Definitely takes away from excitement of the game. (the rule)...but it's a business (I guess) and teams don't want to lose players to collisions...counter-intuitive for the catcher not to center up on the plate to receive the throw....
It may still be irrelevant due to the catcher's illegal positioning, but doesn't the runner have to attempt a slide in order to claim there was a blocking violation? Maybe that's only in college ball?
There is no must-slide rule. It is slide or attempt to avoid contact. On this play, the runner “letting up” and not trucking the catcher is enough to satisfy the rule
@@CaptainCapital8 how about we suspend the catcher when he gets hurt and not allow his team to field his position until he recovers. Hope it isn’t a career ender. Runner has equal rights to the plate. This is for the catchers benefit since they would be run over at full speed.
Yep, watch this and compare it to ejection 123. In 123, that catcher set up in front of home plate and then moved to block as a result of this throw. This catcher was set in the blocking position around the same time the throw was started.
It's like you're penalizing a team that made a perfect throw. If the throw was off a little the catcher would have been in a different position, but the throw was perfect. Same thing on the Twins' play.
He was blocking from the time the throw was being made. Unlike ejection 123 where the catcher started in front of the plate and moved into a blocking position, this catcher STARTED in the blocking position at the same time the ball was being thrown. He did not 'react' and move into the trajectory.
CCS has to follow the rules as they are written to the letter, along with any interpretations, manuals, and historical applications. If MLB decides to do something entirely different all of a sudden on one play, CCS still has to follow the rulebook as written until there's an actual official update. They can't just guess without even having an explanation of that one surprise call. So for now that is still a legal plate block on that play even if it was not ruled that way for sone unknown reason.
@@linollieum3742 I can dig it. I’m a huge admirer of this channel and have sung their praises to everyone who would listen. . The reason for that is because of their by the book interpretations, REAL WORLD explanations, and as close to objective analysis as possible.. -> They are as close to the best at combatting this scourge of umpire hating as there has ever been
Despite the no contact/minimize contact rule with the catcher, if the catcher is illegally blocking the plate can’t the runner absolutely freight train the guy? If he’s called out anyway (correct call), does the body slam void the blocking the plate violation?
@@ingiford175 But when the throw is coming from close to the foul line in short left, everybody in the park knows that's where the throw is going to be. Because of the angle, even a bad throw is going to take the catcher there.
The bottom line is due to potential for injury the catcher could not block the incoming path of the runner he has to be in front of the plate or behind the plate he can not be in the baseline People forget what happened to Buster Posey he got mild concussion he had a dislocated shoulder and he was never the same after that injury he is still played the game but he lost a lot of his quickness it could have been a lot worse this Pete rose era slamming into the catcher nonsense is over with
A few years ago there was much discussion mainly with football but with baseball and other sports about head and other potentially serious injuries. Rules were changed and added to combat it. Some have been controversial such as targeting in football. But the goal is to reduce the risk of serious injury
@@Subangelis Replay is a supplement not a saving grace. Call the game as if the eye in the sky isn't there. Unless it's a crew chief review, the team is wrongfully forced to use a challenge.
This rule needs to be revisited in the offseason. It's beginning to have off target effects that aren't within the original purpose. It's particularly bad for the throws from left field.
Watch ejection 123. That catcher did it right in my opinion. He set up in front of home plate, and he stepped into the path and blocked as a reaction to the throw. The catcher in this one was already in a blocking position at the same time the throw started.
Correct call in the end but the runner would have been safe no matter what if he slides toward the left leg of the catcher. Ball would have likely hit him in the back.
This is why baseball is unwatchable! Where is the catcher to stand with that throw? It's a two hopper coming down the line which beat the runner. What should he do, stand to side and reach at the last second. BS rule to a BS product......
This new rule is ruining baseball! They should’ve just left things alone, it is causing more problems, more stoppages of play and more ejections and on top of that more unhappy fans and players. They need to get rid of the stupid rule and go back to what they had
@@63076topher All the years of baseball before this they never had this stupid rule, I don’t remember anybody getting their leg shattered, but it’s called sports, things are part of the game. You can’t keep making rules for every little tiny thing or it takes everything away from the sport and everything it’s about. It’s the sensitive age were people are freaking babies about everything and they can’t handle anything that’s why the worlds the shitty place it is right now because of people like that
@@63076topher Have you ever heard of over 100 years of baseball? playing the game the way it was supposed to be played And the way it was before this ridiculous rule? Give me a damn break what are you 10 years old?
@@wesleyhobbs9 You are the one acting like a ten year old wanting players to get their legs broken or shattered or get a concussion. The rule works bolth ways the catcher CAN NOT set up ILLEGALLY and the runner CAN NOT deviate from his set basepath to force a collision. Not everyone cares about only their saftey like you.
What pisses me off the most about Torres' obstruction no call is that his body language suggests that he told them to challenge the call and send it to replay when, as an MLB umpire, they should be able to make this call on the spot without assistance. There are a lot of umpires out there in youth, HS, JUCO, NAIA, D3, and D2 that make this call without the assistance of replay and don't get paid nearly the same. MLB umpires have gotten lazy this season. Keep it up guys and you'll be replaced by a computer.
The Pirates runner could have absolutely destroyed the catcher on this play. But, he didn’t. He relied on the rules to be enforced. That’s what baseball said they wanted. I think this is the correct call under the rules.
the PIrate also couldve slid into home plate. You can argue that he mildly crashed, but whatever. This rule is another one that is ruining the game IMO
@CableTvTomato nah, all you need to do is (1) call the runner out if he crashes and eject for a minimum of 3 games (2) fine him $50k minimum. The rule as written right now is too gray and obviously cannot be ruled correctly because theres too much judgment involved
@@mptr1783 likes seeing players get hurt.
@@mptr1783 With the way you want it. any player can block the basepath.
Not just under the rules, but for the catcher's safety and runner's restraint and understanding of the rules. This behaviour from the implementation of this rule should be rewarded!
F the Rio Grande. The manager deserves a explanation. If he argues, then send him on his way.
New York said that is the only thing he needs to know you CAN NOT ARGUE a video replay review.
1:17
Right there chirinos gives the runner a path to the inner part of the plate. He then adjusts to where the ball is going which leads him to blocking the plate. I don't really see how this is his fault. You can't expect him not to go into the throw and try to backhand it... so what is he supposed to do?
I get what you're saying but the issue is that a player rounding third is going to have his momentum carry him into foul territory. By Chirinos setting up in the batters box, that is setting up in the runner's path toward the plate. I hate it, but I get it. If Chirinos was inside of the foul line the runner would have a clear path and it would have been an easy out. Also tough for a catcher to calculate all of that in the timing of a play. Bad rule but the right call was made
@@JasonDurantYouVangelize I agree with you that's it's a bad rule, but this is not even breaking the rule we currently have. According to this rule you are allowed to block the plate if the ball is heading that way or if you have the ball. The catcher was first setting up on the inside but because he saw the throw was coming towards the foul side, he moved over to catch the ball and apply the tag. So this is a horrible call even according to the horrible rule
After the manager was ejected, the umps actually convened and then called him back to the field to explain why the runner was safe. So eject the manager for asking for an explanation, then call him back to the field and give him the explanation. LOL good job guys.
@@darinlegore284 it’s still stupid either way I mean they shouldn’t tell him to stay in the freaking Dugout when he deserves an explanation as a manager so it just shows the weak umpires
@@darinlegore284 He wasn't trying to argue the replay decision though. He just wanted an explanation. If the umps were so sure of themselves, they shouldn't have re-convened, then called him back out, and then explained it to him. Plain and simple. The umps proved the ejection was uncalled for when they did all that. It was a quick reaction ejection due to power tripping and assuming that Hyde was gonna call horse manure on the replay which he did not.
@@darinlegore284 do the agreed upon rules say that after a replay review that managers are never allowed to leave the dugout? Do the agreed upon rules say that after a replay review that managers are not allowed to ask for a clarification on something else?
@@darinlegore284 Only he was not going to argue the ruling he wanted to ask if the runner have touched home plate at all.
Here's the problem with this video, @closecallsports. At 3:02 of your video, what you say directly contradicts what is shown. Chirinos sets up in foul territory, providing a clear lane for the runner. The throw draws him back over the plate, which, as you explain in the first part of the video, is specifically allowed in the rulebook.
Let's strive for honesty, @closecallsports.
(Also, unsubbed, as the last 2 vids I've watched of yours have been off-putting and wrong).
So arguing a replay is an automatic ejection? I got confused because Jeff Nelson let Buck Showalter argue a review for 5 minutes yesterday and didn’t run him.
Umpires are all different...
Baseball would benefit from better communication. Both between the umpires and the coaches and between the umpires and the fans
He told the fans what happened he turned on his Microphone.
My issue is some umpires let a coach come out and simply ask for an explanation while others eject quickly. Needs to be more standard
However Brandon could have stopped and said can you give me an explanation instead of saying No I'm going out there and continuing.
Ron Kulpa can do anything he wants, after all, by his own declaration. The baseball ejection rules are so stupid. Can’t argue balls and strikes. Can’t argue reply while largely this year Mike Eastabrook butchers replay calls right and left. There’s a point of ejection but this shouldn’t be it. Especially when it’s not a safe vs out replay overturn etc. when it’s a judgement call like this the manager deserves an explanation of what was called and why.
@@uwsbus I agree on deserving an explanation but there is a wrong way and a right way to do it. Managers are acting just like all the other self entitled people out there and doing the whole "I can do what I want" BS and then wonder why there's consequences. If you're gonna act like a turd, don't be surprised if you get treated like a turd.
@@uwsbus would you really rather watch a manager throw a tantrum than watch baseball?
@@babababad id rather transparency in the calls.
Buck came out for a long time on Sunday after replay review. He didn’t get tossed.
That's because he is "Buck"
What are you supposed to do as a catch. Mlb is soft now. The catcher caught the ball where it was thrown. He moved the the path of the ball. Horrible call
According to the rules he SET UP ILLEGALLY that is why he was safe.
He’s out. Where else was the catcher suppose to go on a play like that?
Catcher needs to set up in front of Home Plate.
Catcher illegally set up
Watch the set up between this one and the one in ejection 123. The ejection 123 that catcher (in my non professional opinion) did things according to the rules. This one the catcher set up blocking at the same time the throw started so he did not move into position in result of the 'trajectory' of the ball.
Where in the rules does it state the catcher needs to set up in front of home plate? I might be wrong, but my understanding is the catcher needs to give a path. Majority of catchers leave the back of home plate as a path but any catcher if he wants could set on the back of the plate and leave front as a path. Which is what technically happened in this play
@@CHICHEProductions100 in this case, with the runner rounding third, his base path (which he is allowed to create anywhere he wants by rule) runs directly through where the catcher set up. Therefore in this specific play, the catcher would need to be in front of the plate or, theoretically, could move way into foul territory. Blocking is not determined by the chalk line.
What on earth are you all seeing?! With the Twins game, the catcher lined up the whole time in the path to the plate and Baldelli came out and immediately tore his hat off, ready for a fight. Go frame by frame with this from the outfield view. The O's catcher had both feet outside of the base line. As the ball came in, he pivoted over to catch it. But even when he went to the ground, he kept one knee up, giving a path for the runner to slide under the tag. BUT the problem is the base runner was WAY outside of the base line. Then at the point where someone would slide, the ball was still behind him. and the plate was open, even though the catcher started to slide over. The runner chose not to slide and ran toward the inside corner of the plate, which is where the ball came in. Had he taken a better line around third, putting him a good 12 feet wide of the plate with 20 feet left to run (probably should have been called out for that), he would have been in a better position to slide. The catcher had nothing to do with this.
But question, was this a robot voice interrupting the play by play?
what lol
Lin, I hate the way that this rule is enforced at the present, simply because the catcher has to guess what the replay crew is going going to think, and in a case like this, there's a 99.9% chance that the ball is going to end up where it did, so I can understand the catcher setting up a little earlier.
I'm glad you mentioned RLI, because there's a clear description of when a batter-runner is protected-he's in the lane all the way down, and can step the final step out of the lane to touch the bag. Make the blocking the plate rule black and white-if the catcher does not fully set up in fair territory and only move when it looks like he can no longer take the throw from that position, the run can be counted for him blocking the plate.
CATCHERS: step into fair territory on a potential play at the plate to give runner a lane. Then, you can move to runner’s path, if necessary, to field the ball OR tag the runner with possession of the ball.
I tell 9-year-olds this all the time. (And 10-18 yr olds.)
"Brandon Hyde simply wants an explanation." Okay, here's a radical idea: wait until in between innings, then quietly ask Culpa, "What happened with that call?" Probably too much to expect though.
Ask about a rules check/appeal a half inning later?
@@brianmullaney6237 What exactly did the manager expect? What new information can they get? The umpire crew on the field DID NOT make the decision the replay, and did not watch the replay. Arguing or questioning them will not change a damm thing, as replay is final.
@@brianmullaney6237 Can't appeal on a replay.
The call was right, but ejecting the manager for asking for an explanation?? These power tripping umps and their egos need to get lost.
He knew what the replay was for. Did his catcher illegally block the plate? The answer from the replay gives him the explanation.
@@Subangelis Uhh, no. They didn't explain anything, that's why he went out there.
It's an immediate ejection according to the rulebook. You just can't come out and argue.
Think logically. The umps didn't even call interference. You want them to explain a call New York made and relayed to them? "New York says he blocked the plate" is all they'll be able to say. If the manager has questions or arguments by rule he gets tossed. The umps don't have ego, they have their hands tied. The call is made in New York. The ejection rule is set in stone by New York and they must follow it or they'll be poorly graded.
Had the catcher set up legally this would have been called out. I'm not so sure this would have stood either way. This is by far the worst rule in sports. No one, not even the umpires, know what to call in this situation.
Too bad Kulpa assumed he was coming out to argue the reversal from replay. Reading his lips he wants to appeal that the runner never touched the plate after they called him safe
You can't argue a replay review. By the rules when the catcher blocks the plate the runner is AUTOMATICALLY given the touch of it.
I think the EASIEST way to re-work this rule is that the catcher may not be in contact with the ground anywhere inside the front half of the left batter's box (from the back of the plate forward) before the throw is made.
I'm loving these breakdowns of this rules and it is helping me understand it better but I've said it before and I'll say it again...If you need four minute RUclips explanations of gray-area judgement calls to get even a smidge closer to understanding a rule, it's a bad rule.
You could also actually read the rules yourself. They are free and posted on the MLB site.
@ECBU Training Yes, but knowing the text of the rule and understanding the practical applications (and how the umpires are instructed to interpret them) are 2 different things. All I'm saying is the more time and it takes to explain the latter, the worse the rule.
But, you showed an example in the picture in picture of a call ruled a block of the plate... That run scored in your example of a "legal" block because it was illegal... The catcher had set up in advance, totally across the plate, instead of setting up for a sweep tag that would give Myers a lane (at least that must be what it was ruled otherwise I'd have to agree with you)l, it was gray but I really hate this rule so I'd rather it have truly been an out.
Good review, surprised the ump missed this one in real-time, seemed more obvious than most.
I believe they are instructed to call the play without the interference so that it can be done in replay instead.
Yep, unlike ejection 123, catcher was blocking around the time the ball was thrown.
@@ChrisBerti Actually it was not clear and it was not even the correct call.
How about 7:37 minute on why the plate umpire blew this call.
So you are saying that an umpire can give a manager an order any time he feels like it? Really? If a manager wants to argue a play at second base and the umpire doesn’t feel like listening to him he can just order the manager to stay in the dugout and then eject him if he steps one foot out of the dugout? Really??? That’s preposterous. Hyde said in his post game press conference that he didn’t argue the call at all. He was asking about wether or not he could appeal that the runner never touched home. But the umpire just felt like tossing him. Ridiculous. I know you can’t argue a replay call. Hyde was not arguing. He was asking about something else. But the umpire prematurely tossed him. Terrible.
You can’t leave the dugout to argue a replay decision. Runner doesn’t need to touch home plate on a blocking call. Good ejection.
@@rayray4192 you're right you can't leave the dugout to argue a replay call but that's not what Hyde did
@@DCLover19 thing is the crew chief thinks he was arguing the replay call. And it’s a broadcaster giving you info which is almost always speculation and wrong. You don’t know for sure what he was saying. Stay in the dugout.
@@DCLover19 ccs says Hyde was arguing replay decision
@@rayray4192 Hyde said he wasn’t arguing the call. He just wanted clarification on whether or not he could appeal something.
This use to not be in the rules because the catcher had a chance to make a play to make an out and the runner had to try and avoid the out, this has got out of hand!! Lets go back to old days!! Also, why cant they just explain this to the manager instead of tossing them and if they start arguing, then toss them!!
Never done college or higher ball but in high school after Ive gotten together with my partner and we determined we would change a call, I’d call over both coaches and explain what we had. This coach wanted an explanation I don’t see a problem with that. (I get the rule of an auto heave but I don’t believe it’s right)
As usual the umpires can do no wrong on this channel, before the ball arrived the runner had the inside of plate then catcher blocked as ball arrived....do a better job
No he was set up ILLEGALLY read thr comments even a 15 year old who is a catcher said he was. He should have set up in fair territory or behind the plate.
@@63076topher Read the rule and tell me when the catcher blocked the plate it certainly was Not before ball arrived...Rule 6.01(i)(2) Comment: A catcher shall not be deemed to have violated Rule 6.01(i)(2) unless he has both blocked the plate without possession the ball (or when not in a legitimate attempt to field the throw), and also hindered or impeded the progress of the runner attempting to score.
@@albertchilds4897 New York knows the rules. They say he set up ILLEGALLY he did.
Ironically a similar play occurred at Target Field that led to Rocco Badelli getting ejected.
And whether you agree with the overturns or not, the replay officials were consistent in their calls.
If you want to get rid of the grey area, put lines down for the runnners lane on the camera for replay. They have the tech to do it. If the catcher stands with a foot completely inside the lines, before the throw is made- Then it is blocking the plate. MLB likes the contraversy tho.
Coaches deserve an explanation on what the video umpire has said.
Some of these ejections is preposterous!!
Not at that time. It isn't going to affect the game. He can have the explanation after the game.
I wondered something. With a manager wanting an explanation, do the field umpires even get one from New York, or is it simply a “Yes/No” or “Safe/Out” call?
Usually it is just the result, however if it is an unusual play more info may be given. Expect explanations to get a little more in depth as the years go on!
Even my 14 year old who is a catcher saw this. Catcher set up blocking the plate to start. I asked him where would you have setup? He said either in front of plate the in fair territory or behind the plate in foul territory leaving a lane until the last second.
Smart kid. General rule of thumb, if the throw is coming from the third base side, always setup just inside of fair territory at the top of the plate. Move to make the catch when appropriate, drop the knee, make the tag.
Quick hook but with Ron Kulpa it’s expected. I know it’s an automatic but he deserves an explanation before an ejection.
@@tycorbson9651 not a loophole if it’s in the rulebook stated clearly
@@tycorbson9651 simple catcher interfered on his first step out any other movement it’s an ejection if he continues to argue keep the batters going around the bases.
Ron Kulpa, one of baseball's WORST umpires, does it again!
@@natemarroquin easy call and an even easier ejection. Managers gotta cry.
@@TheSjuris Yeah, asking the crew chief a rules question is an ejectable offense. Or did you miss Hyde's comment about the ejection during the postgame press conference?
It's pretty obvious that they have decided to leave these calls for the replay booth. The rest of us can't do that. Clearly a collision rule violation. Good call..by the booth.
Another point you missed the umps mic wasnt working. He owed him an explanation.
The runner is safe. The catcher was blocking the lane.
Yep, i agree with this one. Unlike 123 where the catcher adjusted to the trajectory of the throw, this one, the catcher set his blocking at the time of the throw.
Was about to trade Hyde from my ejection fantasy team
Lol is that a real thing? That's funny
This rule is going to cause problems. Also,Hyde was questioning that the runner did not touch the plate, not the replay.
Doesn't matter. If it's ruled that the catcher illegally blocked, the runner is awarded the touch.
The catcher did not give the runner a lane to touch home plate.
And he did not qualify for the exception, he was blocking the entire time and not in reaction to the trajectory of the throw.
Can you analyze the nimmo out call at second from the game today? For potential slide rule interference, and why nimmo was out? How is this different from the infield fly chaos where the runner was given second due to an umpire’s error in calling him out? Would the review have been different if nimmo would have ran to second after the first tag attempt?
Looking forward to the Twins ruling today.... NY review is having a day with home plate reviews.
No kidding
This happened to the twins too
I thought it was a good call.
@@KPapadakis09 the twins one was whack. Catcher played it completely different
When the catcher has the ball, it doesnt matter if there is a lane or not.
I was at this game and saw this ..... where should have the catcher lined up to be legal?
The call is right, but it's the worst rule change ever
That should just make a buster posey rule…
Why can't the HP get the these obstruction call correct?
Cause they don't understand the rule either
This looks like he wanted an explanation. As a coach, I can appreciate a different point of view as long as you can give me reasoning why the call was made. When I cannot get an explanation, all I feel is frustration.
Explanation is simple New York said he set up illegally no need to come out and argue a replay review it is a automatic ejection he knew the Explanation BEFORE he left the dugout after being asked not to.
@@63076topher You miss the point. NFL does this much better. The referee doesn't throw a flag because a coach requests explanation. The manager is not privy to the conversation from NY. It would be a nice gesture to give a brief explanation of the call. If the manager decides to carry on beyond the explanation, eject him.
@@sdclecoop Explained YOUR CATCHER BLOCKED THE PLATE they knew that is what was being reviewed.
@@63076topher You win.
If the manager ONLY wanted an explanation, then ron kulpa’s “warning” (probably due to ego) and The ejection was bogus
He isn't entitled to an explanation at that time. He can wait until after the game.
This is what happens when you have Owners making the Rules who don't understand the nuances of the Game.
Giants G.M. Brian Sabean was livid when Posey had his season ended by a triple A call up. Posey was not blocking home plate and he didn’t possess the ball. Owners aren’t fans of losing a franchise player in May.
Call was right on the replay, but BS on the ejection. Ump has no reason to warn him not to come out of the dugout. If he comes out to ask for clarification, that should be fine. If he then starts arguing, _then_ you toss him.
You CAN NOT argue video replay review. Simple the catcher was blocking the plate that is the only reason why they would make that call.
Normally, I defend the umpires, but I think this is crap. The crew chief should have to explain to the manager of the team that is adversely affected by a reversal in replay why the reversal was given. That should be written into the rules. I realize that it isn’t right now. But all Brandon Hyde is looking for is an explanation and he gets tossed for it. That’s pretty ridiculous.
it's obvious that the runner is able to manipulate the rule by changing his path into the catcher instead of actually trying to find the plate. when the ball beats you to the plate by two steps the plate blocking rule should not even be part of the call anyway.
What if the catcher sets the block the plate in fair territory, would it be consider obstruction at home plate? Including, why isn’t MLB changes the rule on legal definition of blocking the plate.
All the catcher had to do was set up in front of home plate instead of to the left of it and blocking any lane to the base.
Think of it as the three second rule in Basketball, except it's 3 tenths of a second or less. The Catcher has to choose an inside lane, or an outside lane, he chose the center lane, and once his knee went down, he blocked the plate, thus not allowing a pathway for the runner to score. SAFE!
I don't understand I guess. The catcher moved out of the way, then the ball brought him back because he had to catch it. So he should've caught the ball, then moved out of the way? Rob Manfred is ruining baseball.
This rule protects both parties from getting potential career ending injuries. Over the years I’ve seen catchers get DESTROYED by the runner because of plate blocking so this rule is far from stupid to me.
WTH? Close Call Sports you know damn well that the umpire needs to tell the coach what the reason is for the ruling. MLB replay sucks!
Yes the catcher did block plate and the right call was made but a explanation needs to be communicated.
Most of the time announcers have no clue. It’s in the rules, can’t argue replay. Simple!
Can we get the Toronto one too?
The catcher has the right to catch the ball but by the same token he CANNOT cover the plate without the ball in this case is he was et up on the front or the back side of the plate he COULD HAVE CAUGHT THE BALL AND THEN APPLIED THE TAG!!! But this new rule is going to take some time for the catchers to get used to and setting up on the front or the back side of the plate. They will learn to do it or keep getting runs scored on the team and pitchers stats mucked up. Either way they WILL LEARN IT OR BACK TO THE MINORS THEY WILL GO!! OR the new catchers coming up through the minors will have learned it and they will be replaced by the new breed that knows how to set up on the plate according to the new rule. Bottom line is the Old dogs will adjust or the new breeds coming up will get their jobs.
What the hell is the catcher supposed to do?
Rocco Baldelli got ejected today over this stupid rule too..
The commentator of this video contradicts what she says. If the ball is in front of the runner and the runner is clearly out. Yes the runner didn’t have a place to slide but the throw was there a few steps before the runner. The second half of the video shows everything that’s wrong with MLB umpires in the 2020s. The rule or not, throwing out the manager is pure ego.
hmmm, yet MLB Rules clearly state that the Manager must be ejected if he comes out to question/argue a replay ruling.
I always love the homer announcers in these situations. Your right a 20 year plus umpire has no feel for the game. The rule says you cant argue a replay review decision. He didn't calmly walk out of the dugout for an explanation, he came out with his hands up with the intent to argue. These announcers are ridiculous at time.
he threw his hands up after he got ejected lol....you can even see him say something like "what the fuck is that for?" when he throws his hands up.
Now this is definitely catcher blocking home unlike the call in Minnesota.
Is with the managers would actually know the rules of the game.
He was on the grass when he was tossed. If that's less than 10 feet from the dugout, they need a bigger warning track.
Didn't need to come out of the dugout.
This is the only one of these recent replays that I agree with. The rest of them I have some major issues with.
Correct Call
Definitely takes away from excitement of the game. (the rule)...but it's a business (I guess) and teams don't want to lose players to collisions...counter-intuitive for the catcher not to center up on the plate to receive the throw....
He could've slid but chose not to.
It may still be irrelevant due to the catcher's illegal positioning, but doesn't the runner have to attempt a slide in order to claim there was a blocking violation? Maybe that's only in college ball?
There is no must-slide rule. It is slide or attempt to avoid contact. On this play, the runner “letting up” and not trucking the catcher is enough to satisfy the rule
Great stuff! The catcher knew immediately he was out of position. Body language.
Why bother throwing to the plate????
You have to be in your rights to block the plate legally before, during and after the throw to the plate.
the overturn is probably correct…but the ejection is crap.
Can you talk about the call in the Mets/Braves Game? Nimmo tagged out with an empty glove in the first inning
I hope they do, i don’t understand how he’s still out somehow
Good call. I don't see a path prior to movement.
Hyde: "what the f**k is that, Ron?" after the ejection.
This rule needs to be abolished. What a damn joke!!!! Bad call!!!!
@@CaptainCapital8 how about we suspend the catcher when he gets hurt and not allow his team to field his position until he recovers. Hope it isn’t a career ender. Runner has equal rights to the plate. This is for the catchers benefit since they would be run over at full speed.
Yep, watch this and compare it to ejection 123. In 123, that catcher set up in front of home plate and then moved to block as a result of this throw. This catcher was set in the blocking position around the same time the throw was started.
It's like you're penalizing a team that made a perfect throw. If the throw was off a little the catcher would have been in a different position, but the throw was perfect. Same thing on the Twins' play.
He was blocking from the time the throw was being made. Unlike ejection 123 where the catcher started in front of the plate and moved into a blocking position, this catcher STARTED in the blocking position at the same time the ball was being thrown. He did not 'react' and move into the trajectory.
There are also ways to catch a throw that aren't putting your whole body in front of home plate to block the runner.
Wait , I thought the CO play was deemed illegal. Why do y’all have it as “legal plate block?” 2:21
Because it is a legal plate block.
@@CloseCallSports Not according to NY. But y’all know that so I’m not sure why the rhetorical answer.
CCS has to follow the rules as they are written to the letter, along with any interpretations, manuals, and historical applications. If MLB decides to do something entirely different all of a sudden on one play, CCS still has to follow the rulebook as written until there's an actual official update. They can't just guess without even having an explanation of that one surprise call. So for now that is still a legal plate block on that play even if it was not ruled that way for sone unknown reason.
@@linollieum3742 I can dig it. I’m a huge admirer of this channel and have sung their praises to everyone who would listen. . The reason for that is because of their by the book interpretations, REAL WORLD explanations, and as close to objective analysis as possible.. -> They are as close to the best at combatting this scourge of umpire hating as there has ever been
Despite the no contact/minimize contact rule with the catcher, if the catcher is illegally blocking the plate can’t the runner absolutely freight train the guy? If he’s called out anyway (correct call), does the body slam void the blocking the plate violation?
Yes, interference due to malicious contact supercedes obstruction.
Thank you!
Replay screwed up multiple calls at the plate in the same day? 🤦♂️
seen this and Tor that they got correct. Have to look for the other ones you refer to
I don’t see how the umpire called that out in the first place. The catcher was blatantly obstructing the runner.
First you call the runner out, then you go to the replay to see if there was a blocking-the-plate violation.
It’s where the throw was.
@@wesleystout2200 Not from the start of the play. 1:16 He's blocking it the whole time.
And he was blocking from around the time the throw was being made, so he was not moving into blocking due to the trajectory of the throw.
@@ingiford175 But when the throw is coming from close to the foul line in short left, everybody in the park knows that's where the throw is going to be. Because of the angle, even a bad throw is going to take the catcher there.
Dead ball! It's in the rule book!
The bottom line is due to potential for injury the catcher could not block the incoming path of the runner he has to be in front of the plate or behind the plate he can not be in the baseline
People forget what happened to Buster Posey he got mild concussion he had a dislocated shoulder and he was never the same after that injury he is still played the game but he lost a lot of his quickness it could have been a lot worse this Pete rose era slamming into the catcher nonsense is over with
A few years ago there was much discussion mainly with football but with baseball and other sports about head and other potentially serious injuries. Rules were changed and added to combat it. Some have been controversial such as targeting in football. But the goal is to reduce the risk of serious injury
That should have been called on the field in real time. Bad call by the HP umpire, but that haircut is much worse.
Nope. Call the play as you see it, and go to the replay for possible violations.
@@Subangelis Replay is a supplement not a saving grace. Call the game as if the eye in the sky isn't there. Unless it's a crew chief review, the team is wrongfully forced to use a challenge.
This rule needs to be revisited in the offseason. It's beginning to have off target effects that aren't within the original purpose. It's particularly bad for the throws from left field.
Rule is pretty clear here. Ball in fair territory, catcher needs to set up in fair territory since runner will always be coming in foul territory.
Facts @dj2
Watch ejection 123. That catcher did it right in my opinion. He set up in front of home plate, and he stepped into the path and blocked as a reaction to the throw. The catcher in this one was already in a blocking position at the same time the throw started.
@@stephenbeck7222 didn't say the rule was unclear. I said the rule is bad.
Boone got ejected today. JS.
Ron Kulpa, an MLB umpire, has stans?
Correct call in the end but the runner would have been safe no matter what if he slides toward the left leg of the catcher. Ball would have likely hit him in the back.
Get rid of this goddamn rule!!!!!!!! So stupid
SAFE all the way
Kulpa has a big ego. Solution? Castration.
This is why baseball is unwatchable! Where is the catcher to stand with that throw? It's a two hopper coming down the line which beat the runner. What should he do, stand to side and reach at the last second. BS rule to a BS product......
This is an easy reversal. Catcher was blocking the plate from the get go.
It s illegal blocking. No doubt.
This new rule is ruining baseball! They should’ve just left things alone, it is causing more problems, more stoppages of play and more ejections and on top of that more unhappy fans and players. They need to get rid of the stupid rule and go back to what they had
So just let the catchers get their leg shattered?
@@63076topher All the years of baseball before this they never had this stupid rule, I don’t remember anybody getting their leg shattered, but it’s called sports, things are part of the game. You can’t keep making rules for every little tiny thing or it takes everything away from the sport and everything it’s about. It’s the sensitive age were people are freaking babies about everything and they can’t handle anything that’s why the worlds the shitty place it is right now because of people like that
@@wesleyhobbs9 You never heard of Buster Posey?
@@63076topher Have you ever heard of over 100 years of baseball? playing the game the way it was supposed to be played And the way it was before this ridiculous rule? Give me a damn break what are you 10 years old?
@@wesleyhobbs9 You are the one acting like a ten year old wanting players to get their legs broken or shattered or get a concussion. The rule works bolth ways the catcher CAN NOT set up ILLEGALLY and the runner CAN NOT deviate from his set basepath to force a collision. Not everyone cares about only their saftey like you.
What pisses me off the most about Torres' obstruction no call is that his body language suggests that he told them to challenge the call and send it to replay when, as an MLB umpire, they should be able to make this call on the spot without assistance. There are a lot of umpires out there in youth, HS, JUCO, NAIA, D3, and D2 that make this call without the assistance of replay and don't get paid nearly the same. MLB umpires have gotten lazy this season. Keep it up guys and you'll be replaced by a computer.
Interference.