To answer a few questions. "Why don't you think the Challenger 3 is a good idea." Because it won't be entering service for years to come. It'd be an extremely bad precedent to add a tank that won't be in service for six years. "Italy does have MBTs that can be added." Nothing that would bring them on par with the 2A6. Note I said "2A6 equivalents" specifically, not general top tier MBTs. "The Dardo uses TOWs, not SPIKEs." This is correct, I made a mistake. There was a Dardo mockup that had Spikes, but it also had a different turret (HITFIST OWS) and a 30mm cannon. On the bright side, that would make it better suited towards top tier. "Why didn't you mention the Centauro II." I was going to mention it originally, but this video was already longer than usual and it's sort of the same problem as the Challenger 3, though obviously not as extreme since it'll be delivered to the Italian army this year.
@@snepcheck2198 "With the acquisition in 2009 of 870 Spike LR ATGM and 84 launch systems, 20 of such launch systems were applied to the VCC-80, now capable, in small numbers, to operate the Spike ATGM. " "Q. Do you plan on implementing the VCC 80 Dardo for Italy? If yes, is it possible to also implement the Spike LR ATGM as this vehicle used such weaponry (as a replacement variant for the TOW)?" "A: Yes, there are such plans for it...we are considering the implementation of a “reduced” functionality on these missiles; for example, with only target lock before launch and no correction and redirection during its flight." Furthermore, the thread on the Dardo that was passed to Gaijin only talks about adding it with Spikes. Curious how, in the entire time it was up, no one corrected it.
@@Spookston that's a qoute without much substance where did it come from? there's more then a little misinformation spread around abut Italian vehicles and the dardo never received any upgrade past some opticts stuff and a single prototype with te OWS turret more over if you want to suggest IFVs for Italy why not the dardo and freccia more more over you are worried about videolength but a short mention of the centauro2 would hardly ruin the vid
Can I ask why you don’t like the videos too long? Not sure about anyone else, but I would actually prefer it if these videos were longer. Especially if there’s more to talk about or able to go even more in depth into something.
@@Spookston The problem is you say the Dardo with 25 mm cannon would have Spikes while that variant never had one. The Dardo OWS which was the one with Spike ATGMs had a 30 mm cannon, if Gaijin wants to take the ahistorical route, so be it, but please don't spread missinformation.
@@cristobalalvarez5491 so are numerous other tanks in war thunder and upcoming updates, so what do you want to tell me and the armata is also not battleproofen
how to fix top tier guide: 1. Get an op vehicle on one nation. 2. After the community complains add ANOTHER op vehicle to compete on the other side. 3. ??? 4. Profit
Italy does have an MBT option, but just barely as far as I know, there was a designing process for a C2 Ariete, but costs caused the program to be cancelled, and some of the features were rolled into an upgrade package for the existing Ariete, one of which was the PSO add-ons it'd be hell to find and documentation on it, but it is there
the war kit doesnt make it 2a6 or sep equivalent. gaijin can maybe add a stronger round? since the ariete ingame is already the most modern italian mbt
It’s not called C2 ariete, it’s called Ariete AMV ( ammodernamento di mezza vita) or in English, Ariete MLU (mid life update). Documentation on it is public information, we know what the prototypes will receive.
What top tier really needs is bigger maps. Modern tank armor is designed to stop rounds from some distance away, but the forces close-range brawls of our top tier right now make armor irrelevant. Pretty much everything on a modern tank is meant to be effective at long range. Also I have a suggestion for the British: Maybe the Canadian Leopard 2A6? Obviously that would be a 2A6 equivalent, and Britain has some Canadian vehicles around top tier anyway.
Meanwhile in Gaijin Headquarters probably: Russia doesnt have a 10.7 tank do they? -No they dont, what should we add? *T14-Armata intensifies* *B A L A N C E*
EBRC Jaguar might be too op since it has F&F MMP atgm with an insane penetration (better than that of the spike i believe). But vextra TML 105 or TML 120 would be a very nice addition. AMX-10RCR and VAB Mephisto would be nice too along with the VBCI
The only missile the EBRC Jaguar can have is leagues above anything else in the game. In real life it is functionally identical to the top attack missiles from this years april fools event with futuristic tanks
You do realize that present gun on a Chally 2, L30A1 is an L55? That L55 describes the length of the gun, NOT The gun itself. The Gun you’re talking about is Rheinmetall RH120 L55. And for what I know CLIP still has the L30A1 rifled gun which uses 3-piece ammo. So it CAN’T use DM53. The only Chally that has RH120 L55 smoothbore and could shoot DM53 is Chally 3.
When people say “L55” they’re almost exclusively referring to the RH120 L55. There’s not a lot of variety in MBT gun lengths so I think it’s safe to assume if someone says L55 they mean the RH120. That being said, you’re 100% right that only Chall3 has the RH120 smoothbore and would be the only challenger able to use DM53. But hey there’s always HESH lol.
While you're correct that the Challenger 2's current L30A1 is also an L/55, the upcoming Challenger 3 is not the only Challenger to mount the Rheinmetall L/55. Contrary to your claim, CLIP did not retain the L30A1 gun. Stocks of ammunition for that gun were finite due to production having ceased, so there was serious motivation to rearm CR2 with the Rheinmetall gun and adopt its readily-available NATO-standard ammunition. The entire purpose of CLIP was to rearm the CR2 with the Rheinmetall L/55, and to this end one conversion was made in 2006. The tank was given the RH120, complete with its thermal sleeve, bore evacuator, and muzzle reference system, and put through armament trials to asses the lethality of the Rheinmetall gun compared to the existing L30A1. Those trials specifically reported that the Rheinmetall gun's tungsten DM53 round had superior anti-armour performance to the L30A1's CHARM 3 depleted-uranium round. It is therefore well documented that the CLIP prototype did, in fact, carry the Rheinmetall L/55 and fire DM53 ammunition, as Spookston claims in the video. As I understand it, CLIP did not proceed to adoption because a new source of L30A1 ammunition was secured, reducing the pressure to adopt a new gun. Instead of adopting CLIP, the MOD used the time bought with new L30A1 rounds to continue the Capability Sustainment Programme begun in 2005, which was then replaced by the Life Extension Programme in 2014. That programme ultimately produced the most recent set of prototypes and has just ended with the adoption of the RBLS proposal as Challenger 3, as I'm sure you know.
Italy could get the Centauro 2, but it might be hard to balance it, the Centauro 2 has a 12 rounds in a auto-loader, a jammer against guided missiles, but doesn't have really strong armour. Maybe when the Ariete AMV will become real it might come to War Thunder too
The biggest upgrade for the centauro 2 over the original other than a 120 gun would be its mobility. If im not mistaken the cent2 has a 750hp engine. Thats a 50% increase over the original. Imagine how that thing would be zooming across the map
I figure the AJAX and/or the Warrior with the CTAS 40mm would be competitive high tier material. The CTAS 40mm potentially can penetrate 150mm RHA at 1500m with a ROF of 200 rpm. The Ajax could possibly have a Javelin ATGM on it's RWS rounding out it's firepower. Mix that with a small chassis and good speed (21 hp/ton, 70km/h), stab, thermals, smoke, etc.
@@Bricks9999 So the AJAX/Warrior with the CTAS would be like a British Strf 9040C? They seem pretty similar except that 150mm pen at 1500m would likely translate to >200mm at 10m, which is better than the Strf's 170mm-penetrating top round. Strf is 10.0 and AFAIK pretty good there, so this potential AJAX CTAS sounds like a good British vehicle for high tier support.
I personally also think that they should add new maps for top tier because the maps we currently have are way to small and feels like you are driving a Lambo in you're garage.
Spookston: After the Leo's 2A6 introduction, you should add an entire new generation of MBT's for all nations. Gaijin: DA, let's unleash the T-14 Armata then. E P I C G A M E D E V T I M E.
Britain could get the Australian version of the Abrams, think they have a planned modernisation similar to the sepv2 upgrades. Britain could get the Ajax light tank/ifv for top tier, modern and currently in service.
@@spicketspaghet7773 limiting the amount of TOW-2B will already fix this issue if this is the case. Since sometimes you will need 3 or more 2Bs to kill a single tank because of the inconsistency of the missile. Limit the amount of 2Bs to 4, in the best case you get 2 kills with it. The rest, fill with regular TOW-2s. Move it to 9.0/9.3. Balanced.
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to offer that much in terms of outstanding armour penetration capabilities, only a vaguely impressive aerial airburst round and as for its AP capabilities it's 140mm of hardened steel at 1500meters and a Point detonation round which does 210mm against Concrete but might still be an interesting round, perhaps against light tanks. Still not a top tier vehicle though, quite disappointing. Perhaps Challenger 2 Streetfighter with its Brimstones would be better, maybe the Challenger 3, or the Boxer with Brimstones if Brimstones were implemented somehow? Either way, quite disappointing choices.
@@gimpygeese3121 Indeed, although perhaps the problems can be reduced by having them deploy when needed rather than be out all the time. Leopards, Abrams and such do solve the issue of having top tier MBTs, but they cause stagnation there, as a quick, slap-on solution to the problem that Gaijin would put on and then ignore the British tech tree for a while , instead of finding more unique vehicles that are British or at the very least, partly so, to fill the gaps. Currently the Boxer 105mm seems like a good choice for a British/German light tank with both APFSDS and Barrel Launched ATGMs
Sweden definitely should be made into a Scandinavian tree. I am grinding it and enjoying it right now, but the lack of lineups really hampers it. There are basically no lineups between 5.0 and 7.7
To be honest, I wish they would just cap the generations where they are now. Everything newer is classified and all performance would be pure fantasy. Also, some nations realistically just to not have the latest generation of vehicles and to try to expand them by giving them something that they never had seems forced. I know it would create dead ends but would it make people not grind a nation that did not have a legitimate vehicle passed, say 9.7? I don't know the answer to that. The more packed the tech trees get, the more complicated this all becomes.
I don't even play the game but I love these videos and I absolutely would love to see the ZTZ-99A getting more exposure it's an awesome looking tank and often overlooked. I hope the would implement the K2 MBT for the American tree, as it's more related to US thanks than anything else ^^
I remember the moment when they added the most powerful round to the Ariete in order to compensate it's terrible armor. Not a bad idea imo, but now with the 2A6 having the same penetration stats, what's the point of using any other vehicule rather than the Leo2a6 ??
None. Grinding to the ariete and playing it is basically pointless rn. Probably will be for a very long time, since there’s really not much more gaijin could add to the Italian 10.7 lineup. With Leo 2A6 equivalents coming likely soon, the problem is going to get way worse as Italian mains get stuck with a subpar top tier lineup while basically every single other tank tech tree gets more advanced tanks. At that point it wouldn’t really be gaijin’s fault anymore. The ariete has been obsolete for years and there are really good reasons why it gets called the worst NATO MBT.
@@shturm602 Sure, but WT is a game, I still think Italy could get a decent lineup made of wheeled tanks, highly mobile and with great guns. I still think, due to Italy being quite close to israel, that we could see the Merkavas being transfered from the US tech tree to the italian one.
Beside the Type 99, I also think that VT-4 and VT-5 can be added to Chinese Tech Tree. Also, Chinese Tech Tree need more jets, best options for now are J7III and J8. Also Helicopters can be added for China.
The problem I have with Top tier is going against all the russian tanks with Reactive armor plates, I feel it fair to add the TUSK addons to the A1 and A2 abrams
Just giving the Strv 122 the m95 slpprj would be fine, it also had it in real life, and they nerfed the reload on it to crap, it could reload in 4sec or less
there is additions that can be made for sweden. 1: give our Strv 122's its real shell, the Slpprj M/95 APFSDS. wich has about the same pen as the Ariete's best shell. 2: there are an even more heavely armoured Strv 122 that could be added aswell. with an urban combat armour package. 3: i personaly whould like to add Bofors latest CV90mkV with SPIKE missiles and a 35mm gun. Norway is buying it. so it could come to us 4: make Sweden a Nordic tech tree, and add Danish, Finnish and Norwegian veichles. 5: a helicopter tree whould be nice, since all the chopers we used/uses/tested are already ingame, so it is bsicly just to make a new skin and make a swedish heli tree. also the previous Premium german BO 105 is a Swedish heli.
Spookston: Top tier vehicles are broken Also Spookston: Releases video explaining this while running around in the most broken top tier fantasy vehicle in the game (PS - If it never went in to full production then the odds are near 100% that it had some fatal flaw that would have made it worse than every other alternative at the time)
I have an idea for Sweden, but it's not for Top-Tier. The Pansarbil Lynx. It was a pre world war 2 armored car, with a 20mm cannon, 4 wheel steering, and a 140hp Scania-Vabis engine. They also exported these to the Danish, so in game there could be a Swedish version, and a Danish version. These could be Premiums at around 1.3 or 1.7
*China does have a ton of vehicles to offer:* The ZTQ-15 light tank and VT-4 MBT would be about on par with the 2A6. There's also different version of their ZBD-04 IFV Although something like the ZTZ-96B and MBT 2000 would be nice addtions aswell.
British light tanks are famously light and small. With atleast having a much lower ground pressure than infantry. There are stories of the crews driving onto a Marsh without realising then jumping out and sinking to their knees.
Except not, his videos are subtely biased towards US. M1A2 SEPv2 + M829A3 would be what 2A6 was on the day of its addition but some 4 times stronger due to better armour and better firepower + better thermals. Actually listening to the Furryman would be even worse for the game, Gaijin even noticed that and gimped HSTV-L to 24kph reverse instead of the planned -60kph because that vehicle would otherwise be too unbalanced.
@@eyyze Idk, the Sep v2 would still have a much larger mantlet than the 2A6 with a huge ammo rack behind it. Unless it's reinforced, I still see it as an easy OHK through that weakness via DM53.
I'm not. In fact, if I see the tomcat get added next update, I'm not only unsubscribing, but also quitting. Tired of being left in the cold as a Japanese player.
@@snazzydazzy stfu. You guys have the quickest grind in the game and at least you have ifvs. Italy has not a single ifv and the only atgm veichle in the entire tech tree is less than fucking useless.
@@casematecardinal and here i am sippin tea in my worthless challenger watching italian main bitching about japanese mains. certified war thunder moment
Sweden could get the STRV 122B+ which is a 122B with more advanced composite armor that's more effective and lighter then what's already installed. There was one test vehicle made and shown off a couple of years ago with the 122B PLSS, but the Swedish army has made no move towards the upgrade. In game, it would basically be a faster, better armored 122, which is something the Swedish tree does not really need at the moment. Past this, there's really nothing more that can be added other then giving the 122B PLSS the m/95 round, which it doesn't really need due to it having arguably the best armor/armor profile in game, but it is a bit weird that Sweden is the only one with its top mbt not getting its top round.
you have to remember that both the 122a and 121 should be using that round, if they think that giving it that round would be to much they could give it dm43 witch is equaly historicaly accurete as using dm33. if they think that giving it a better round is to much just give it saab barracuda mcs
@@nicho3051 because he's not interested in them, he often says that he's not so knowledgeable about stuff he isn't particularly interested it, that's why his focus is mostly on US Armor
@@DefinitelyNotEmma Well if he’s not then the best he can do is come out and say that he doesn’t do much research so the things he says may be wrong. But he doesn’t and says it like it’s fact. Which is the fundamental issue that needs to be fixed when he makes these sorts of videos because his fan base eat up this info without actually doing the researching themselves.
Fixing the hole in the middle of the challenger 2 turret is all I want now. I've given up expecting them to add commander thermals despite having it from the challenger 1, or having apfsds shatter on the extreme angle at the top part of the challenger 2 turret
Smin said the devs will be implementing a top tier SPAA to China very soon, when asked about the discussion about the new update, Smin said to be stay tuned to the devblogs. So probably this update, China will receive their new SPAA. Edit: Smin is the community manager of War Thunder Forums. He is the head inside Gaijin behind showing and teasing new stuff and answering questions from the playerbase.
@Ian Mayer because its a neat tech tree. why does anybody care about italy? i sure dont... (exact same mindset). if anything, china has the 2nd or 3rd largest military economy in the world. that means that there is a lot of potential to add to warthunder, thats why its fun. also, their top tier vehicles are unique, like their ZTZ99 or soon to be added J7 and J8 series of jets.
There are three british light tanks or 'Scouts' that could be added in with no issue, the Alvis FV107 Sabre built 1995, Alvis FV101 Scorpion built 1973 and finally the Alvis FV107 Scimitar built in 1971 Even the Alvis Abbot SPG could be considered, all these tanks are small and i have no idea about their ammo or thermal abilities but would make a lovely addition to the light tank tree for Britain
There are a few german light vehicles i'd love to see gaijin ad to warthunder. Namely the Wiesel 1 TOW and 20mm cannon Version, the ozelot (Aa missile Version of the wiesel) all the marder variants from the a1 to the a5a1 and the Luchs armored reconnaissance vehicle. As a heavy vehicle i'd ad the PzH 2000 155mm selfpropelled howitzer. There are some interesting german vehicles out there that gaijin has yet to explore
For Challenger there is the Challenger 2E, the export variant that was shown to Greece. It comes with CITV, an improved mantlet, and the MTU 883 engine coupled with the Renk HSWL 295TM transmission (EuroPowerPack),which has Power: 1,500 hp (Ka-500)/1,630 hp (Ka-501) @ 2,700 rpm[1] Rated 1min Torque: 3,352 lb·ft (4545Nm)(Ka-500)/3,687 lb·ft (4999Nm)(Ka-501) @ 2,000 rpm but is smaller and has more torque than the MTU in all current leopards. So you get a Chally with equal mobility to the 2A5 or possibly greater if the ka-501 is used.
New British IFV could be the Desert Warrior. A version of the Warrior designed for export, the old turret was replaced with a Delco turret, same as the one used on the LAV-25, which features a stabilised 25mm Bushmaster M242, as well as 2 Hughes TOW launchers, with 1 being on each side of the turret. This would be an upgrade to the previous warrior, with a faster firing and stabilised gun, and the ability to fire 2 ATGMs before reloading. I do believe this warrior still had access to the armour package and retains the same engine. I’d put it after the previous warrior, at 8.3/8.7 to sort of match the M3A3.
3:20 Britain is replacing the Warrior's role (along with others) with the Boxer wheeled vehicle. The Boxer is a modular design so it would be interesting to see different possible configurations such as AA, IFV or AT.
@@shturm602 Atleast it's something, the only true equivalent I can think of is the Centauro 2, or of Romania merges with Italy we could get the T81m2 that's in the works**
America, France, Britain, Italy, Japan, and China sitting in the background, not having gotten a useful top tier veichle in about a year. This is fine.
You say that the Challenger 2 is a though nut to crack armor wise, but from my experience it doesn't matter where it's needed the most, as in the armor is near useless when brawling, since the weakspots are extremely easy to hit at close range even when trying to move around and make the enemy miss, Russian, French and German tanks are much better in this aspect, since the weakspots are small enough to be difficult to hit if the tank is moving. Yeah the Challenger's armor is good at long range if you play correctly, but so is that of pretty much every other top tier tank, often to a higher extent.
@@snazzydazzy its copy paste because gaijin is lazy and greedy, should have been added as a heli like tree (unlock after reaching rank 5 in other nations) that way they could have focused solely on the modern indigenous stuff which there are many options for.
I think the main problem Britain faces is that they just dropped a lot of their mobility in tracked vehicles. There's the Warrior and CVR-(T), but those are also aging. So there will be difficulty finding a light tank platform that is maneuverable and modern enough. I could recommend looking into the RO2004, which was partly built, but also uses a variant of the L7 and is generally a bit dated already. It's a fun design, but I'm not sure if it'd fit in at British top tier.
I feel tanks like the M1A2 can be brought up to counter the 2a6 just fine, but the current issue is the armor. the thickness and composition is still classified, and Gaijoobles decided to not even guess the thickness or locations of depleted uranium armor. it just left it out completely.
To answer a few questions.
"Why don't you think the Challenger 3 is a good idea."
Because it won't be entering service for years to come. It'd be an extremely bad precedent to add a tank that won't be in service for six years.
"Italy does have MBTs that can be added."
Nothing that would bring them on par with the 2A6. Note I said "2A6 equivalents" specifically, not general top tier MBTs.
"The Dardo uses TOWs, not SPIKEs."
This is correct, I made a mistake. There was a Dardo mockup that had Spikes, but it also had a different turret (HITFIST OWS) and a 30mm cannon. On the bright side, that would make it better suited towards top tier.
"Why didn't you mention the Centauro II."
I was going to mention it originally, but this video was already longer than usual and it's sort of the same problem as the Challenger 3, though obviously not as extreme since it'll be delivered to the Italian army this year.
this is kinda low key really infuriating to the Italian community ngl....
but keep thinking you are 100% correct i suppose
@@snepcheck2198 "With the acquisition in 2009 of 870 Spike LR ATGM and 84 launch systems, 20 of such launch systems were applied to the VCC-80, now capable, in small numbers, to operate the Spike ATGM. "
"Q. Do you plan on implementing the VCC 80 Dardo for Italy? If yes, is it possible to also implement the Spike LR ATGM as this vehicle used such weaponry (as a replacement variant for the TOW)?"
"A: Yes, there are such plans for it...we are considering the implementation of a “reduced” functionality on these missiles; for example, with only target lock before launch and no correction and redirection during its flight."
Furthermore, the thread on the Dardo that was passed to Gaijin only talks about adding it with Spikes. Curious how, in the entire time it was up, no one corrected it.
@@Spookston that's a qoute without much substance where did it come from? there's more then a little misinformation spread around abut Italian vehicles and the dardo never received any upgrade past some opticts stuff and a single prototype with te OWS turret
more over if you want to suggest IFVs for Italy why not the dardo and freccia
more more over you are worried about videolength but a short mention of the centauro2 would hardly ruin the vid
Can I ask why you don’t like the videos too long? Not sure about anyone else, but I would actually prefer it if these videos were longer. Especially if there’s more to talk about or able to go even more in depth into something.
@@Spookston The problem is you say the Dardo with 25 mm cannon would have Spikes while that variant never had one.
The Dardo OWS which was the one with Spike ATGMs had a 30 mm cannon, if Gaijin wants to take the ahistorical route, so be it, but please don't spread missinformation.
Spookston: how to fix top tier.
Gaijin: top tier can’t be fixed, try again later.
I think you mean add more top tier premium vehicles/ squadron vehicles
@@hardcasekara6409 did u mean Leo2A7 ++++++ for 🇩🇪?
Gaijin: adding Turkish leo2a4 as premium vehicle will fix XD, got em~
@@sturmalpha7288 at 10.7
@@wongman395 this will make it worse
How to fix Top tier...
Gajin: YOu get a Leo!
And you get a Leo!
And you get a Leo!
Pulling a sherman
@@gamerboi5651 Sherman is not Top Tier :D
They fixed low tier just by giving everyone (except Sweeden) a Sherman or a Sherman equivalent, so what could go wrong?
@@TR33ZY_CRTM Why not Sweden?
@@gamerboi5651
And a phantom right now
Spookston: How To Fix Top Tier
Gaijin: Adding Leopard 2 A7V
Germany suffers dont you know?
Also don’t add m1a2 sep
Everyone who play war thunder suffers and if not your lucky
Listen to the screams. Listen to the shouts.
And all you do is add more terror.
I hope you know that was a joke right?
When you realize there’s going to need to be a constant update of this video as the game progresses:😐😀😃😄😁
LOL so true
@perhapsfaxASMR they should but would they?probably not.
True
maybe u ppl should stop reinforcing gaijins decisions evey update by giving into their bait
@perhapsfaxASMR gaijim knows how to fix the game they just refuse to do it
Me, who will never make it past rank 4:
"Interesting"
I gave up on rank 6
Dont multi main and you should be fine
Don't bother, high tier blows
I have almost all nation tanks and planes in top tier lmao :)) even the cinese i have a job and girlfriend ( i have premium acc + some premium toys )
@@boyca9658 guess who cares
Spookston 10 months ago puma needs to be added
Gaijin adds it
Spookston: it sure is balanced
At 9.0 is fine
@@Yeshayahu.Are you sure?
Gaijin: We hear ya. We're adding the Leopard 2A7. Have fun
"What? That isn't enough? We'll just add a new Leopard, call it the a8 and slap a 130mm on it."
@@utzius8003 Panther KF 51*
@@Future183 shouldn’t be added they haven’t been battle proven
@@cristobalalvarez5491 so are numerous other tanks in war thunder and upcoming updates, so what do you want to tell me and the armata is also not battleproofen
me, a T-50 main: hmm yes very interesting
Me, a Low Tier any country main: very very very very interesting
Me, playing with 12.7 fps: muy muy interesante
@@riccards Sdkfz.140/1 gang
@@armoredlumberjack1999 same, I have 20 fps avarage lol
@@ICCUWANSIUT sorry, i dont buy premiums
how to fix top tier guide:
1. Get an op vehicle on one nation.
2. After the community complains add ANOTHER op vehicle to compete on the other side.
3. ???
4. Profit
Gajin in a nutshell
Step 5 add more us cas
Oh and germany suffer
Imma study CS hard so I can work at Gajin, so I will make more updates, so Spookston will make more videos.
Then getting fired or taken to a gulag for making war thunder fun
i bet $25 that you wont make it
CS? You mean C#? Good choice if you ask me, allbeit a bit hard
@@danielsteger8456 damn let people have dreams
@@SK-cj7gk some people need to destroy other people's dreams
As of this day almost every thing he’s suggested has come into the game except the British and French MBT’s, HMM
Italy does have an MBT option, but just barely
as far as I know, there was a designing process for a C2 Ariete, but costs caused the program to be cancelled, and some of the features were rolled into an upgrade package for the existing Ariete, one of which was the PSO add-ons
it'd be hell to find and documentation on it, but it is there
Also the centauro 2 (entered in service in 2014) would be nice
What about the WAR kit?
the war kit doesnt make it 2a6 or sep equivalent. gaijin can maybe add a stronger round? since the ariete ingame is already the most modern italian mbt
@@m1a1abrams3 i know, but it makes it at least a bit more surviveable, was thinking of making it like a modification on the PSO
It’s not called C2 ariete, it’s called Ariete AMV ( ammodernamento di mezza vita) or in English, Ariete MLU (mid life update).
Documentation on it is public information, we know what the prototypes will receive.
What top tier really needs is bigger maps. Modern tank armor is designed to stop rounds from some distance away, but the forces close-range brawls of our top tier right now make armor irrelevant. Pretty much everything on a modern tank is meant to be effective at long range. Also I have a suggestion for the British: Maybe the Canadian Leopard 2A6? Obviously that would be a 2A6 equivalent, and Britain has some Canadian vehicles around top tier anyway.
But i dont think canadians use dm53 rather they use dm 33 only... I think
@@noggamcstogga1756 I think they do today, although idk if they did in Afghanistan
That would make 0 sense since the Canadian leo 1 is in the German line if they add the Canadian leo 2s it would be in the German line
@@doge_sevens but thats dumb germany has like 3 top tier leo which are already the strongest in the game
@@noggamcstogga1756 I know that's why it wouldnt make sense
Meanwhile in Gaijin Headquarters probably:
Russia doesnt have a 10.7 tank do they?
-No they dont, what should we add?
*T14-Armata intensifies*
*B A L A N C E*
@FangABXY FangABXY plz no
@@williewilson2250 T14 go brrrrrrrrrr
Gaijin:"Now Germany suffers. How do we fix that? Bring Leo 2 A7V with 900mm pen DM73" (Sad Italian and French noises)
you should really really looked into the ERBC Jaguar for france men and the Vextra TML 105, its just top notch...
hell or the Vextra TML 120, i mean theres even a amx 10 with the TML 105 system.. plenty of options for France when it comes to top tier lights
Don't forget the sagaie, a french light recon vehicle, similar to the 10rc
EBRC Jaguar might be too op since it has F&F MMP atgm with an insane penetration (better than that of the spike i believe). But vextra TML 105 or TML 120 would be a very nice addition. AMX-10RCR and VAB Mephisto would be nice too along with the VBCI
EMBT
Leclerc Turret on a Leo2 Hull
The only missile the EBRC Jaguar can have is leagues above anything else in the game. In real life it is functionally identical to the top attack missiles from this years april fools event with futuristic tanks
You do realize that present gun on a Chally 2, L30A1 is an L55? That L55 describes the length of the gun, NOT The gun itself. The Gun you’re talking about is Rheinmetall RH120 L55. And for what I know CLIP still has the L30A1 rifled gun which uses 3-piece ammo. So it CAN’T use DM53. The only Chally that has RH120 L55 smoothbore and could shoot DM53 is Chally 3.
When people say “L55” they’re almost exclusively referring to the RH120 L55. There’s not a lot of variety in MBT gun lengths so I think it’s safe to assume if someone says L55 they mean the RH120. That being said, you’re 100% right that only Chall3 has the RH120 smoothbore and would be the only challenger able to use DM53. But hey there’s always HESH lol.
While you're correct that the Challenger 2's current L30A1 is also an L/55, the upcoming Challenger 3 is not the only Challenger to mount the Rheinmetall L/55. Contrary to your claim, CLIP did not retain the L30A1 gun. Stocks of ammunition for that gun were finite due to production having ceased, so there was serious motivation to rearm CR2 with the Rheinmetall gun and adopt its readily-available NATO-standard ammunition. The entire purpose of CLIP was to rearm the CR2 with the Rheinmetall L/55, and to this end one conversion was made in 2006. The tank was given the RH120, complete with its thermal sleeve, bore evacuator, and muzzle reference system, and put through armament trials to asses the lethality of the Rheinmetall gun compared to the existing L30A1. Those trials specifically reported that the Rheinmetall gun's tungsten DM53 round had superior anti-armour performance to the L30A1's CHARM 3 depleted-uranium round. It is therefore well documented that the CLIP prototype did, in fact, carry the Rheinmetall L/55 and fire DM53 ammunition, as Spookston claims in the video. As I understand it, CLIP did not proceed to adoption because a new source of L30A1 ammunition was secured, reducing the pressure to adopt a new gun. Instead of adopting CLIP, the MOD used the time bought with new L30A1 rounds to continue the Capability Sustainment Programme begun in 2005, which was then replaced by the Life Extension Programme in 2014. That programme ultimately produced the most recent set of prototypes and has just ended with the adoption of the RBLS proposal as Challenger 3, as I'm sure you know.
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Seems legit.
Spookston: fix top tier, gaijin.
Gaijin: LALALA i cant hear you
huge respect for your background music taste
Gaijin: Best I can do is more premiums.
1:53
Spookston
You have unleashed hell it’s self onto war thunder
Bro seeing this in a year later almost all vehicles were added from your list
Italy could get the Centauro 2, but it might be hard to balance it, the Centauro 2 has a 12 rounds in a auto-loader, a jammer against guided missiles, but doesn't have really strong armour. Maybe when the Ariete AMV will become real it might come to War Thunder too
You forgot to mention that it utilizes a 120mm gun instead of a 105mm gun like the Centauro 1
and the Ariete mk.2, which is an overall improvement over the normal C1 Ariete, main difference would be armor since the mk.2 have new composite armor
The biggest upgrade for the centauro 2 over the original other than a 120 gun would be its mobility. If im not mistaken the cent2 has a 750hp engine. Thats a 50% increase over the original. Imagine how that thing would be zooming across the map
@@Michael_Satrio might be, but if i know right, the centauro dosent have a good cross country performance
3:17 I think the closest we've got to that is the Ajax. There's also the Boxer but it's not quite known yet what configuration they'll be in.
Ajax and boxer are set to be ifv, the fv101 scorpion would be closer
@@haydenparsons5783 FV101 is not even vaguely a top tier tank.
I figure the AJAX and/or the Warrior with the CTAS 40mm would be competitive high tier material. The CTAS 40mm potentially can penetrate 150mm RHA at 1500m with a ROF of 200 rpm. The Ajax could possibly have a Javelin ATGM on it's RWS rounding out it's firepower. Mix that with a small chassis and good speed (21 hp/ton, 70km/h), stab, thermals, smoke, etc.
@@Bricks9999 So the AJAX/Warrior with the CTAS would be like a British Strf 9040C? They seem pretty similar except that 150mm pen at 1500m would likely translate to >200mm at 10m, which is better than the Strf's 170mm-penetrating top round. Strf is 10.0 and AFAIK pretty good there, so this potential AJAX CTAS sounds like a good British vehicle for high tier support.
Spook, you forgot the Freccia IFV, it's basically a Dardo but on the chassee of a Centauro, and can carry 2 spike LR missiles too
Don’t expect spookston to do much research on Italy my friend. Every time he mentions Italy it’s full of misinformation
@@nicho3051 and france. still waiting on the amx 10 rcr
@@nicho3051 well Tbf Italy hasn’t made any counter part
lucky for you the Freccia is getting added in the newest update
I personally also think that they should add new maps for top tier because the maps we currently have are way to small and feels like you are driving a Lambo in you're garage.
well they are adding a larger map in Red Skies
Gajiin: DON'T WRITE THAT DOWN, DON'T WRITE THAT DOWN!!!
Last time I was this early, Porsche still made tanks...
Spookston: After the Leo's 2A6 introduction, you should add an entire new generation of MBT's for all nations.
Gaijin: DA, let's unleash the T-14 Armata then. E P I C G A M E D E V T I M E.
I know it's a joke, but me no like.
@@snazzydazzy It's a joke awaiting to happen. We all already know about Gaijin's peculiar sense of balance.
Considering the last April Fool's it's not a question of _if,_ but of _when_ for the addition of the T-14 Armata.
Gaijin: Well yes, but actually how about Leo2A7?
Britain could get the Australian version of the Abrams, think they have a planned modernisation similar to the sepv2 upgrades. Britain could get the Ajax light tank/ifv for top tier, modern and currently in service.
and desert warrior would be a nice addition as well
(sorry for late comment)
when you realize the lelcerc S2 can already fire the OFL120 F2 and equip the AZUR armor kit but gaijin didn't implement that :,D
It’s almost like F2 was developed to compliment the S2 upgrade... 🤦♂️
Bruh. OFL 120 F2 would be roughly equivalent to M829A3, so ~800 mm pen at least. I love France, but no.
everybody: Warthunder actually sucks
also everybody: plays (and pays) a lot
Everytime there's a new update to solve something everything becomes worse
Notice. 2A6, 2PL, Bradley M3A3. More CAS aircraft. Every update strays further than the last.
@@snazzydazzy M3A3 really isn't a big problem tho, it will be balanced very soon. It just came to the game at a lower BR than it should be.
@@_awston1637 M3A3 would perform the same at 4.0 and at 10.0. There isn't a single vehicle that can withstand its top-attack atgms.
@@spicketspaghet7773 limiting the amount of TOW-2B will already fix this issue if this is the case. Since sometimes you will need 3 or more 2Bs to kill a single tank because of the inconsistency of the missile.
Limit the amount of 2Bs to 4, in the best case you get 2 kills with it. The rest, fill with regular TOW-2s. Move it to 9.0/9.3. Balanced.
@@_awston1637 you could have had me already at ''9.3''
The newest British light tank series is the Ajax Family, if I'm not mistaken
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to offer that much in terms of outstanding armour penetration capabilities, only a vaguely impressive aerial airburst round and as for its AP capabilities it's 140mm of hardened steel at 1500meters and a Point detonation round which does 210mm against Concrete but might still be an interesting round, perhaps against light tanks.
Still not a top tier vehicle though, quite disappointing. Perhaps Challenger 2 Streetfighter with its Brimstones would be better, maybe the Challenger 3, or the Boxer with Brimstones if Brimstones were implemented somehow?
Either way, quite disappointing choices.
@@gimpygeese3121 Indeed, although perhaps the problems can be reduced by having them deploy when needed rather than be out all the time.
Leopards, Abrams and such do solve the issue of having top tier MBTs, but they cause stagnation there, as a quick, slap-on solution to the problem that Gaijin would put on and then ignore the British tech tree for a while , instead of finding more unique vehicles that are British or at the very least, partly so, to fill the gaps.
Currently the Boxer 105mm seems like a good choice for a British/German light tank with both APFSDS and Barrel Launched ATGMs
@@gimpygeese3121 The entire British armed forces are a joke, went from the greatest empire in the world to the most laughed at military
How's that aircraft carrier panning out without any fighter for it lul
@@Azerkeux still hold our own, last I checked we always succeed
Sweden definitely should be made into a Scandinavian tree. I am grinding it and enjoying it right now, but the lack of lineups really hampers it. There are basically no lineups between 5.0 and 7.7
Fun to see that more than 1 year later they almost all got added to the game
To be honest, I wish they would just cap the generations where they are now. Everything newer is classified and all performance would be pure fantasy. Also, some nations realistically just to not have the latest generation of vehicles and to try to expand them by giving them something that they never had seems forced. I know it would create dead ends but would it make people not grind a nation that did not have a legitimate vehicle passed, say 9.7? I don't know the answer to that. The more packed the tech trees get, the more complicated this all becomes.
Yeah most of the stats are going to be guesswork. Too modern for any country to leak their tank specs.
I mean most of the tanks and rounds in hightier are still classified.
Think about planes. We still have some ways to go until we reach classified ones
I don't even play the game but I love these videos and I absolutely would love to see the ZTZ-99A getting more exposure it's an awesome looking tank and often overlooked.
I hope the would implement the K2 MBT for the American tree, as it's more related to US thanks than anything else ^^
If they add K2, they would also add a Leopard 2A6M, Leopard 2A7V, M1A2 SEPv3 TUSK II, T-80BVM, T-90M, ZTZ-99A and propably Merkava Mk 4 / Mk 4M
@@Texas_Engineer_Mike would be pretty neat, you also forgot the Type-10 in your list.
I suppose all of those will be added sooner or later anyway?
@@DefinitelyNotEmma Yeah Type-10... I forgot
I remember the moment when they added the most powerful round to the Ariete in order to compensate it's terrible armor. Not a bad idea imo, but now with the 2A6 having the same penetration stats, what's the point of using any other vehicule rather than the Leo2a6 ??
None. Grinding to the ariete and playing it is basically pointless rn. Probably will be for a very long time, since there’s really not much more gaijin could add to the Italian 10.7 lineup. With Leo 2A6 equivalents coming likely soon, the problem is going to get way worse as Italian mains get stuck with a subpar top tier lineup while basically every single other tank tech tree gets more advanced tanks. At that point it wouldn’t really be gaijin’s fault anymore. The ariete has been obsolete for years and there are really good reasons why it gets called the worst NATO MBT.
@@shturm602 It's not the worst NATO MBT by a long shot. That honor is for the TR-85M alone.
@@bickboose9364 ah yeah forgot about that. The ariete is still one of the worst tho
@@shturm602 Yeah, that's true, sadly.
@@shturm602 Sure, but WT is a game, I still think Italy could get a decent lineup made of wheeled tanks, highly mobile and with great guns. I still think, due to Italy being quite close to israel, that we could see the Merkavas being transfered from the US tech tree to the italian one.
Beside the Type 99, I also think that VT-4 and VT-5 can be added to Chinese Tech Tree. Also, Chinese Tech Tree need more jets, best options for now are J7III and J8. Also Helicopters can be added for China.
The problem I have with Top tier is going against all the russian tanks with Reactive armor plates, I feel it fair to add the TUSK addons to the A1 and A2 abrams
Amazing how they actually added the PUMA IFV.
Imagine country developing stronger tanks just so they can play it in war thunder
Looking at you Italy
0:47
low key smooth af
Just giving the Strv 122 the m95 slpprj would be fine, it also had it in real life, and they nerfed the reload on it to crap, it could reload in 4sec or less
there is additions that can be made for sweden.
1: give our Strv 122's its real shell, the Slpprj M/95 APFSDS. wich has about the same pen as the Ariete's best shell.
2: there are an even more heavely armoured Strv 122 that could be added aswell. with an urban combat armour package.
3: i personaly whould like to add Bofors latest CV90mkV with SPIKE missiles and a 35mm gun. Norway is buying it. so it could come to us
4: make Sweden a Nordic tech tree, and add Danish, Finnish and Norwegian veichles.
5: a helicopter tree whould be nice, since all the chopers we used/uses/tested are already ingame, so it is bsicly just to make a new skin and make a swedish heli tree. also the previous Premium german BO 105 is a Swedish heli.
wellll they added the puma, but in the worst way possible
How to fix top tier in two easy steps:
1:Make the hightiermaps much bigger
2: remove thermals
YOU JINXED IT WITH THE PUMA COMMENT.
Spookston: Top tier vehicles are broken
Also Spookston: Releases video explaining this while running around in the most broken top tier fantasy vehicle in the game
(PS - If it never went in to full production then the odds are near 100% that it had some fatal flaw that would have made it worse than every other alternative at the time)
How to fix Top Tier:
Have the real life nations add arrow head armor to their tanks, profit
broke inventing new tanks to win ww3
woke inventing new tanks to flex in a ftp online game
@@nukesomething5518 damn straight
I have an idea for Sweden, but it's not for Top-Tier.
The Pansarbil Lynx. It was a pre world war 2 armored car, with a 20mm cannon, 4 wheel steering, and a 140hp Scania-Vabis engine.
They also exported these to the Danish, so in game there could be a Swedish version, and a Danish version. These could be Premiums at around 1.3 or 1.7
Me, a Rank 3 Air main: Yes, interesting.
The K2 Black Panther is kind of a must have with that.
Dear god this video didn't aged well, after the puma implementation, the only thing i have to say is OOF
I like how in this “fixing top tier” video he talks about adding the PUMA which ended up being absurdly broken.
*China does have a ton of vehicles to offer:*
The ZTQ-15 light tank and VT-4 MBT would be about on par with the 2A6. There's also different version of their ZBD-04 IFV
Although something like the ZTZ-96B and MBT 2000 would be nice addtions aswell.
Italy could get the Leonardo M60A3 Upgrade. Maybe not a good enough contender against the 2A6, but would still help out Italy a little in top tier.
British light tanks are famously light and small. With atleast having a much lower ground pressure than infantry. There are stories of the crews driving onto a Marsh without realising then jumping out and sinking to their knees.
If Gajin actually listened to Spookston then they might be able to get out of the hole they uptiered themselves into
You mean the hole that leads to the earth's core?
Except not, his videos are subtely biased towards US. M1A2 SEPv2 + M829A3 would be what 2A6 was on the day of its addition but some 4 times stronger due to better armour and better firepower + better thermals. Actually listening to the Furryman would be even worse for the game, Gaijin even noticed that and gimped HSTV-L to 24kph reverse instead of the planned -60kph because that vehicle would otherwise be too unbalanced.
@@eyyze Idk, the Sep v2 would still have a much larger mantlet than the 2A6 with a huge ammo rack behind it. Unless it's reinforced, I still see it as an easy OHK through that weakness via DM53.
@@bickboose9364 Are we playing the same game even. 2A6 has a much bigger mantlet against powerful rounds than the M1.
Spookston: Hey gajin do this
Gajin: And do it I will in a new update.
What do you think about M60A3 TTS? Maybe you should do a video on it
whats wrong with it?
Its trash not worth your time
@@qlacht294 All the M60s (outside the base) could use a .3 BR reduction
It needs the M833 and a BR drop to be remotely competitive.
M60A3 Text To Speech?
For sweden they could add the CV90 AMOS. That dual barrel 120mm howetzer Could be fun since it has a stabilizer.
I can see all of these in WT soon
I'm not. In fact, if I see the tomcat get added next update, I'm not only unsubscribing, but also quitting. Tired of being left in the cold as a Japanese player.
@@snazzydazzy As a fellow Japanese player. Give us the damned Type 10!!
@@snazzydazzy stfu. You guys have the quickest grind in the game and at least you have ifvs. Italy has not a single ifv and the only atgm veichle in the entire tech tree is less than fucking useless.
@@casematecardinal and here i am sippin tea in my worthless challenger watching italian main bitching about japanese mains. certified war thunder moment
@@miloooo38 poor challenger never getting a citv until chally 3
Sweden could get the STRV 122B+ which is a 122B with more advanced composite armor that's more effective and lighter then what's already installed. There was one test vehicle made and shown off a couple of years ago with the 122B PLSS, but the Swedish army has made no move towards the upgrade. In game, it would basically be a faster, better armored 122, which is something the Swedish tree does not really need at the moment. Past this, there's really nothing more that can be added other then giving the 122B PLSS the m/95 round, which it doesn't really need due to it having arguably the best armor/armor profile in game, but it is a bit weird that Sweden is the only one with its top mbt not getting its top round.
you have to remember that both the 122a and 121 should be using that round, if they think that giving it that round would be to much they could give it dm43 witch is equaly historicaly accurete as using dm33. if they think that giving it a better round is to much just give it saab barracuda mcs
What about the Centauro B2 for Italy? It's brand new, seams pretty agile and it does have a 120mm cannon
Don’t expect him to know what that is, spookston doesn’t actually know anything about Italian vehicles.
@@nicho3051 because he's not interested in them, he often says that he's not so knowledgeable about stuff he isn't particularly interested it, that's why his focus is mostly on US Armor
@@DefinitelyNotEmma Well if he’s not then the best he can do is come out and say that he doesn’t do much research so the things he says may be wrong. But he doesn’t and says it like it’s fact. Which is the fundamental issue that needs to be fixed when he makes these sorts of videos because his fan base eat up this info without actually doing the researching themselves.
Fixing the hole in the middle of the challenger 2 turret is all I want now. I've given up expecting them to add commander thermals despite having it from the challenger 1, or having apfsds shatter on the extreme angle at the top part of the challenger 2 turret
4:02 what do you mean gaijin is teasing it? i havent seen anything regarding chinese SPAA so far
Maybe a cc discord thing??
Smin said the devs will be implementing a top tier SPAA to China very soon, when asked about the discussion about the new update, Smin said to be stay tuned to the devblogs. So probably this update, China will receive their new SPAA.
Edit: Smin is the community manager of War Thunder Forums. He is the head inside Gaijin behind showing and teasing new stuff and answering questions from the playerbase.
@@_awston1637 ah bet, thanks. Now we just need a new PLAAF jet
@Ian Mayer because its a neat tech tree. why does anybody care about italy? i sure dont... (exact same mindset). if anything, china has the 2nd or 3rd largest military economy in the world. that means that there is a lot of potential to add to warthunder, thats why its fun. also, their top tier vehicles are unique, like their ZTZ99 or soon to be added J7 and J8 series of jets.
@Ian Mayer yeah well thats gaijins fault. Past 8.0 there is enough to fill 2 trees
"The challenger is a tough nut to crack armor wise"
*stares at drivers port and lower front plate*
What do you think italy should get as their first top teir jet
Tornado ADV or another F-104, as that’s all they had until F-16, and then Eurofighter and later F-35. That is all that is left for Italy.
italy deserves to suffer. fastest plane ingame dont deserve anything better
@@m1a1abrams3 its not the fastest
There are three british light tanks or 'Scouts' that could be added in with no issue, the Alvis FV107 Sabre built 1995, Alvis FV101 Scorpion built 1973 and finally the Alvis FV107 Scimitar built in 1971 Even the Alvis Abbot SPG could be considered, all these tanks are small and i have no idea about their ammo or thermal abilities but would make a lovely addition to the light tank tree for Britain
For France their's also the VEXTRA 105 that could be nice to see
Italy could use the otomatic with a full apfsds magazine. Much like it was capable of in reality.
There are a few german light vehicles i'd love to see gaijin ad to warthunder. Namely the Wiesel 1 TOW and 20mm cannon Version, the ozelot (Aa missile Version of the wiesel) all the marder variants from the a1 to the a5a1 and the Luchs armored reconnaissance vehicle. As a heavy vehicle i'd ad the PzH 2000 155mm selfpropelled howitzer. There are some interesting german vehicles out there that gaijin has yet to explore
For Challenger there is the Challenger 2E, the export variant that was shown to Greece.
It comes with CITV, an improved mantlet, and the MTU 883 engine coupled with the Renk HSWL 295TM transmission (EuroPowerPack),which has
Power: 1,500 hp (Ka-500)/1,630 hp (Ka-501) @ 2,700 rpm[1] Rated 1min
Torque: 3,352 lb·ft (4545Nm)(Ka-500)/3,687 lb·ft (4999Nm)(Ka-501) @ 2,000 rpm
but is smaller and has more torque than the MTU in all current leopards. So you get a Chally with equal mobility to the 2A5 or possibly greater if the ka-501 is used.
Great video, but can I ask why you don't think the Chally 3 would be a good fit?
Probably because it's too recent
@@E.hexzor The leopard 2PL is from 2020, you cant get much more recent than that and its ingame
@@h.a8681 as far as i know the chally 3 is planned to enter service beten 2027 and 2030.
The version of the leo is already in service.
Ah, well I'm not much of a tank guy so I didn't know that
@@emilsinclair4190 Thats true, im just saying extremely modern stuff isn't always denied by Gaijin
Man the Italians really didn’t like this one, better watch out for any intercontinental ballistic meatballs for the next week or so.
funny thing about the type 10 - it has insane reverse speed
Doesnt it have the same reverse speed as the forward?
When papa spookston is actually just customer support for warthunder
How to fix top tier: Put a Leopard in every country tech tree.
New British IFV could be the Desert Warrior. A version of the Warrior designed for export, the old turret was replaced with a Delco turret, same as the one used on the LAV-25, which features a stabilised 25mm Bushmaster M242, as well as 2 Hughes TOW launchers, with 1 being on each side of the turret. This would be an upgrade to the previous warrior, with a faster firing and stabilised gun, and the ability to fire 2 ATGMs before reloading. I do believe this warrior still had access to the armour package and retains the same engine. I’d put it after the previous warrior, at 8.3/8.7 to sort of match the M3A3.
Would the centauro 2 be a good option for Italy
i can smell it from the renaming of centauros
Same
3:20 Britain is replacing the Warrior's role (along with others) with the Boxer wheeled vehicle. The Boxer is a modular design so it would be interesting to see different possible configurations such as AA, IFV or AT.
There is the Ariete AMV coming this year I believe, there is that
There is. 3 different prototypes to be exact.
Iirc the AMV isn’t much of an improvement compared to the variants in game, it would still largely have the drawbacks of the arietes already in WT
@@shturm602 Atleast it's something, the only true equivalent I can think of is the Centauro 2, or of Romania merges with Italy we could get the T81m2 that's in the works**
For France what could be cool to add would be the Terminateur Variant of the Leclerc, which replaces the Standart canon with a 140mm one.
People : Russia and Germany are already good enough
1 guy in the background : Germany suffer
Gaijing : alright 2 more Leos fore you
America, France, Britain, Italy, Japan, and China sitting in the background, not having gotten a useful top tier veichle in about a year. This is fine.
You say that the Challenger 2 is a though nut to crack armor wise, but from my experience it doesn't matter where it's needed the most, as in the armor is near useless when brawling, since the weakspots are extremely easy to hit at close range even when trying to move around and make the enemy miss, Russian, French and German tanks are much better in this aspect, since the weakspots are small enough to be difficult to hit if the tank is moving. Yeah the Challenger's armor is good at long range if you play correctly, but so is that of pretty much every other top tier tank, often to a higher extent.
This video nicely shows how OP the HSTV-L is xD
Love to watch this video in 2020 and see almost all vichles added to warthunder
I can't believe you forgot my boy Type 15 when talking about China.
Because China is the least played nation, which really doesn't need any love as a copy-paste nation.
@@snazzydazzy its copy paste because gaijin is lazy and greedy, should have been added as a heli like tree (unlock after reaching rank 5 in other nations) that way they could have focused solely on the modern indigenous stuff which there are many options for.
@@snazzydazzy I doubt many people play Japan either, so whats your point?
@@DefinitelyNotEmma Was the least played nation back when there was only the big 5, but still lots more play it than China today.
Also export series VT family and new 8 wheels vehicles, as well as ZBD-04
They're starting to fix the A129CBT. Top tier is more than fixed for me :D
France has a lot of options in the IFV department too.
Ztz99a has a improved gun, I believe it can fire 125 III ammo with apparently 800mm of pen.
Puma Time
Watching this in July 2022 is a treat
Cant fix it? just remove top tier,problem solved
Making top tir reachable would be a nice
I think the main problem Britain faces is that they just dropped a lot of their mobility in tracked vehicles. There's the Warrior and CVR-(T), but those are also aging. So there will be difficulty finding a light tank platform that is maneuverable and modern enough.
I could recommend looking into the RO2004, which was partly built, but also uses a variant of the L7 and is generally a bit dated already. It's a fun design, but I'm not sure if it'd fit in at British top tier.
I feel tanks like the M1A2 can be brought up to counter the 2a6 just fine, but the current issue is the armor. the thickness and composition is still classified, and Gaijoobles decided to not even guess the thickness or locations of depleted uranium armor. it just left it out completely.