I always have fun. Mig-23MDL was OP? No problem, got him. Now F14A is OP? Good, got him aswell. There is no such thing as country "main" play what is decent.
The strong part of top tier Russia is the ability of a second even third push. Allied MBTs just don’t exist anymore while Russian teams can bring out consistent firepower and armor.
US has 3 competitive abrams Ger has 3 competitive leopards France has 3 leclercs USSR has 4 competitive tanks, but the T-90A is barely competitive. And odds are you won’t get enough SP to spawn in 3 MBTs. . There are a few reasons that top tier USSR is strong (CAS, it’s just CAS) and it’s not the fact they have 4, soon to be 5 viable backup MBTs. Spawn points and crew slots make that not an issue
@@TheWhoamaters Fucking what? They stop getting IFVs in the main tech tree at 8.7, light tanks like the 2s25 are ok, they dont offer much other than a mobile platform for the 125mm
When they had that Top Tier event, I held down W driving around like a mindless idiot in a T-80, scoring kills I had no right getting. I play as any other nation and get 1 tapped at spawn.
I like to drag a Sherman with me and kill top tier just to make them mad. I nothing but camo on and look like a moving bush lol. So I just let them drive in front of me. And then free kill lol
@@mizzar4929 as a turms T player and a M1A1 player yeah it really is (America is hell of earth to fight against in mid tiers and if you see a crusader with a jumbo just run away)
I'm the loser angrily cursing Cas Players in ground-rb. I always make sure to put "GROUND"(NOT AIR) RB in chat as such. So many people have such shit attitudes of "lol sum1 big mad" either make a combined Arms mode or keep CAS out of "GROUND" IMAGINE how they'd feel If we brought top tier SPAA into AIRRB
@@francoisassatlien8642 not much different because sam players are 95% useless, sitting in spawn pressing 2 buttons and crying once you outplay them like mig27k
the most recent broken Russia experience I had was a t8bvm casually not dying from 3 maverick missiles. which I launched at the same time bc I figured the era would stop one of em but all 3 I don't even know how man. I checked in the replay and the second 2 did pen but only killed the driver bc magic spall and overpressure proof armor.
For some stupid reason the AGM-65 lacks overpressure mechanics in the game. It should functionally kill everything short of a small ship in one hit due to having the explosive mass of a 250 pound bomb and high hit probability.
Spookston:"it doesnt matter if your lineup is really broken. If your team sux then you are not having fun." The 3 competent germany mains that play from 5.0 to 7.0: *sounds about right*
I really like spookston but I feel he attributes things to "russian bias" that are commonly stupid and inconsistent in the game. One example is what you said, it always happens with those US light tanks. Another is helis surviving stupid shit sometimes (Ka-52 is after all a coaxial rotor heli and it would make sense if it would keep some forward momentum if both rotors are intact). And so on and so forth. Not that ussr to tier isn't stupid powerful atm, nor that the Ka-50/52 isn't cancerous. But there are reasons for that, adding to that with circumstantial evidence just ruins your case imo and it makes commieboos even more relentless about their positions
@@CetoFreakingKaiba The fact that only the Russian helis can do it, and they have the best unguided rockets, and the 2nd best ATGMs, and the best Air to Air rockets, IS JUST BS, Also he knows about the ricochets he didn't say that was bias and he even made a video about how the game is not biased but he means when you hit ammo IT SHOULD FUCKING EXPLODE, but it doesn't. Dude watch the videos before you critique them, dont be IGN.
@@CetoFreakingKaiba I watched a video of an Abram's shooting apfsds at a container and you can see the energy in dispersed into it and the amount of shrapnel that it created, no heli should survive a shot from a tank or a anti air missile. Also the ricochet problem happens with all tanks because of how gaijin calculates penetration, if you hit directly perpendicular to a plate it will not penetrate. And finally, the t80bvm is completely broken and the other t80's are almost as broken as someone found in the hidden stats that the t80's do not create any secondary fragmentation from internal components unlike any other tank in the game and its side era will eat top tier apfsds regularly.
@@LEFTY073 yes, no heli should survive a tank shell or a missile, and it's even stupider that it keeps flying for so long, since that the game itself considers it incapacitated. Yes ricochet problem is common for many vehicles but (from my experience at least) seems more noticeable with light tanks with extreme angles. And yes, the BVM is completely op and an addition that was totally not needed for the russians. Arguably the T72B3 is the same, though it also kinda suffers from regular T72 issues. I disagree with nothing you said, I totally agree in fact. My issue is when there is an implication that those are issues that specifically favor ussr vehicles, while they are idiotic inconsistencies that can be found everywhere in the game.
@@kousand9917 I watch every video of spookston for the past 2 or 3 years. I don't disagree with any of your points, or most of his really, but as I already said, implying that some game problems favor ussr specifically is unfair. Yes, ammo should fucking explode, when you hit it, there is no question about that. But it definitely isn't only the russian helis that get completely wrecked and keep flying to gather more kills. It's just that more players play russian helis in this cancerous manner, at least at top tier (for various reasons). Many could argue that US has by far the most cancerous cas. This is in part true as they have the largest variety of aircraft, but the popularity of those aircraft should also be considered to explain the spam.
helicopters are so unpredictable and inconsistant. Sometimes they go down in 1 hmg hit, sometimes they can shrug off heat and proceed to full your tank with lead and missiles Edit: face reveal?
They need to remove the count down to auto eject or bring it way down. It was an issue with planes but it's worse with helicopters. You get ten seconds to do what? Suicide bomb somebody? It's not like you can do anything else with it. A dead aircraft needs to either be ejected so everybody can't play like suicidal maniacs or bring it down to two or three seconds. I wouldn't mind the occasional trade. But I hate seeing a plane take a ninety degree turn straight for me because I just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The vehicles are good it’s just that in reality they are poorly maintained and Russian generals are just throwing their tanks mindlessly, and any tank in the world would be completely destroyed if a javelin hits it
@@TRPilot06YT uhh actually Russia is extremely based and the troop shortages and random shitter t72s in open fields getting blown up are all part of the plan
There was times where i thought that every nation has strong side in top tier. CAS for US, Armour and numbers for Russia, mobility and firepower for Germany. But then i remember that Ka-50, Ka-52, MiG-27K, Su-17M4 T-80BVM exists...
In reality their tanks suck and have never performed well in wars. But this game is made by Russians. This game is essentially a fantasy of what they wish their military was like
Its so clear there is. The moment theres a vehicle that cant be actively measured in a Museum, Gaijjin makes it ridiculously OP. Look at the T-55AMD-1 active protection system. In reality, there are multiple reports of the APS being jammed by simple ground clutter. Theres even reports of the APS being ineffective, if theres MOUNTAINS nearby. The APS needs multiple seconds of tracking to actually produce a firing solution aswell. APS should not be activating on top attack missiles either, since it purposely does not activate on missiles thats ballistic path does not intercept the actual tank.
@@honkhonk8009 I feel like that’s probably the worst example you could’ve given. Reliability will never be a factor in WT in that way; if it was, a lot of ATGMS that you fire would have like a 50/50 chance of just doing nothing.
@@honkhonk8009 multiple seconds of tracking is ridiculous given current calculators and radars (or whatever it uses), and even then ground clutter is essentially not noticeable (given maths) Whether they're built well is another story
The way I have always seen top tier is just copy pasted vehicles with different designations and maybe some slight internal differences. I have yet to see any upgrade packages for the Abrams line (like TUSK) in the form of modifications rather than whole new vehicles.
They still need to 6 different versions of the Abrams. Half of them being variants of thr m1a2 but they still have more verity than most copy paste Russian tanks.
@@mrprism5382 well considering how many ads you already have, they'll keep adding them and I'm going to never get any of the Abrams variants mentioned because gaijin hates America
You forgot to mention that you can have a decently strong line up with purely premium, squadron and event vehicles because they’re all in a relatively close br range
I feel like the consistent rapid spawning of russian tanks is pretty solved in Arcade battles because every nation no matter how well you do you can only spawn a total of three times.
Cas problems are also solved too. Since aircraft and helicopters can only stay around for about a minute before they return to base. Implementing that into GRB would be awesome. People still get to use their own selection of aircraft but they can't just linger around in the sky forever like so many helicopters do.
@@giulio7853 That's true, but in GRB or sim right now, CAS can loiter or go back to base and rearm/refuel. In GAB, if the enemy choose to start air battle, some of the other team can get in planes too, if they have the points.
About that HSTV-L: I once had a scenario where I had my 122 soviet gigacannon, shot a tiger1 straight in the unangled, flat mantlet, I shit you not, the bullet ricoched in a 90° angle off nothing. It just hit, then moved sideways and left. Needless to say I died instantly ofc because he bounced a shot on my front glacis, under my barrel and back through the breech directly into my turret. I shit you not the logic is dumb of this game. Oh yeah and when playing the ikv91 I had a Heat shell (aka instaexplodes on contact) Ricochet off a barrel I hit directly. This game is dumb
Exact same thing happened to me except i shot a panther from the side from less than 100 meters with APHEBC 122mm, it bounced off a 10mm thicc side skirt
@@guutn7973 That's likely buggy geometric shells seeing twice the armor & generating weird bounces at overlapping armor segments. A bug Gaijin hasn't been able to fix for ages, while adding more broken tanks.
I hate the fucking fact that the Mi4V has ATGMs at the same BR as the AH1G. Sure the Mi4V is slow as shit, but that doesnt matter if your in a heli. YOUR NOT A FUCKING AIRPLANE. You hover behind terrain, fire an ATGM, and then switch spots. Its simple. But instead, you see braindead Russia/Germany mains treat it like a Stuka, and rush spawn openly with very little altitude with zero cover, only to die instantly to a Gepard or a VEAK. The Hind is at 8.7, has ballistic computers for its rockets, and has ATGMs ontop of that. Yet you see these mfs do the same fucking thing, and never use the heli as intended.
@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 the immortal doctrine to not die to fuel explosions and ammo not exploding with no spalling.... oh snap im not thinking of nation doctrine just trashjin pathetic bias
I've always been a defender of CAS in ground RB, but I've started to realize that there is no way to implement it without it being completely broken. Removing all CAS from Ground RB would actually fix a lot of other problems the game has, since the existence of CAS completely changes how people act. For example, wouldn't you feel much more confident poking your head out if you knew that there weren't helicopters and jets scanning every centimeter of dirt for every little hint of movement, waiting to one shot anyone they see?
CAS is fine, the issue is the lack of reliable ways to kill it. The best way to balance CAS would be to force cockpit view. Because right now, if you use radar-relying SPAA the enemy knows you're there, and you can either lock onto them and give away that you are about to launch a missile at them, or not lock them, and hope to god you can keep the reticle on them without assistance as soon as they see the missile shot from below them and start doing a dance in the air. And if you use Ozelot or other IR SPAA the guy in a plane can just look around and see the missile even if it's launched from directly behind him, completely destroying literally the only advantage these missiles have, which is not giving any launch warnings
Honestly, if CAS with afterburners wouldn't get an airspawn, it would be much more bearable, since fast jets can basically disappear from radar sight in less than 5 seconds after spawning just by pointing their nose up. Edit: Oh, and also if they fixed helis' IR signature, Russian helis would be less of a headache too since many LAV-ADs and other vehicles with Stingers or similar missiles drive around every match, and only being able to lock on them under 2.5 - 3km is pretty useless for toptier helis, only for strafers.
And it will be more balanced in the future with the new T80 variant and SU25. Man i started grinding italian tech tree and its gonna be more painful now.
@@fred3965 The Chally and Ariete are pretty bad but all other MBTs are competitive you just need to play them to their strength's. Russian and Chinese tanks are good for rushing and frontline combat but there is nothing you can do to a hulldown Leopard, the Abrams is a good all-rounder that can survive a few penetrating hits, Type-10 is an excellent flanker, Merkava Mk4M is another good sniper with APS and the Strv-122 is an objectively better Leopard that is almost impossible to one shoot from the front. The problem is most players are terrible and only know how to press W which has a better chance to work in USSR plus it doesn't help that allied teams are full one death leavers.
any time i play leo 2a6 or 2a5 the first thing that hit me either kills my commander and loader or the breach. then my reload goes up to like 10 seconds while russian autoloader keeps slinging the shots after I do no damage to his turret like nothing
@@prizrak-br3332 most Russian mains are shit and only press W, the only difference is that russias bullshit armor and there lack of spalling saves there garbage ass from dying. I have shot a BVM in my leopard 2a5 using dm 53, 3 times in the lower front plate , all shots penned but they only got absorbed by fuel tanks, and only put the driver in yellow, this dumbass now turns and completely exposes his side , so I shot him an additional 4 TIMES IN THE SIDE, all of the shots went straight through the tank not detonating the ammo carousel, and he was able to retreat and repair. ..never once had it taken more more than 2 penning shots to kill a nato tank, but in regular occasion (even when aiming for the weakspots) russian tanks survive 2+ shots getting penned. russian tanks are inconsistent tanks that take almost zero skill to play compared to nato tanks.
It's always fun trying to see how ridiculous big you can make a top tier deck be like and it always ends up being Russia. After the update, you can make a full deck 11.0 with 5 MBTs 3 Light Tanks 1-2 SPAA 3-4 Attack Jets 2-3 Helis Maybe 2-3 Fighers ? And still have plenty to spare. Tbf the only 11.0 ground nation I got IS Russia, but that's way too mcuh stuff lol
@@qualitycontentchannel4443 but the only difference is the Abrams can't survive 7 shots being penned by a DM 53 (yes I shot a T-80BVM 7 fucking times in 2 weakspots, the lower front plate and the side (litteraly a 90 degree angle) every round penned, but the ammo rack didn't detonate, the round refused to spall, I shot Like an inch from the ammo rack and nothing happened, not a single crewman died they were only in red. he was able to back up and repair, I later got an assist on him. if that doesn't prove how broken russian tanks are idk what does. sure russian tanks CAN be easy to kill, but they are so fucking inconsistent, sometimes if you shoot a russian tank in the side it will instantly die (which from my experience is around 20 percent of the time) but other times you shoot it in the exact same spot and it doesn't do shit. that's why russia is such an op nation, there players rely on luck not to die. and even if you get completely out played by your enemy, you can still have bullshit happen and not get killed, especially that you have an anetire team that can cover you and help repair you, russian tanks 50 percent of the time are very hard to actually effectively kill or immobilize.
Since the Ka-52 is a compound helicopter it should not seed its tail to prevent it from spinning out of control. However, it must be there for a reason so I imagine it is what allows the Ka-52 to steer.
The KA-52 has a tail for stability during high speeds. Without it, the helicopter would start flailing around and be unstable at speeds higher than 65kmh. If we were to follow Gaijjins logic with past nations, the repair cost on KA-52's should be incredibly high, and any shot remotely near the swashplate should result in instant loss. Purely because of how unreliable and needlessly complex the rotor system is. The US considers a 20% failure rate to be unacceptable. Russia considers a 20% failure rate to be a personal record on reliability. Its why Russia fielded active protection systems on its tanks in the 80s, even though in reality they wouldnt even work outside lab conditions, and the radar would get jammed even when theres a fucking mountain nearby, all while needing multiple seconds of tracking the projectile to even produce a firing solution. Meanwhile the M163 has a beyond faulty radar that never locks on even when directly staring at an aircraft, for "realism"
All helicopter flight models and damage models are stupid, the Ka-50/52 are just the most broken. Not only are they missing hitboxes for the rotor blades, swashplate, 'jesus nut' (yes that is a technical term), but the fire control and flight control computers+ optics and laser emitters are absent from the model. Without those, almost all high BR choppers are completely defanged.
All Russian main's main excuse for Russian op BVM is that NATO tanks can reverse faster.. Meanwhile the BVM does a 360 degree turn in less than a second and get outs of almost any situation instantly, while most NATO tanks get their engines and crew knocked out from the first hit anywhere on the hull.
NATO NERA armour is subpar irl tbh it performs better to some extent than Russian armour against HEAT though I believe at least until ERA is included and even then Russian armour is still decent against HEAT just when looking at it's base protection
yeah lmao and it's the only tank that can survive 7 shots (all of them penned, this is a true story, I shot a BVM 3 times in the lfp which didn't do a single damn thing, then I shit it 4 times in the side, that also did nothing, he reversed and repaired, then I got an assist like a few minutes later.
@@zeffy._440 source? Because as far as im aware NATO NERA currently is on par with if not superior than its soviet counterparts, go look up the swedish trials for the leopard 2A5 improved. Over 700mm of kinetic energy protection in some areas without ERA, and over 1200mm of chemical energy protection.
I love how Gaijin employees listen to the opinions of players about adding/nerfing vehicles. How so many players ask for the USSR tree to be curbed. and then Gaijin does the most based thing a dev can do and adds more vehicles to the largest tt.
I think it’s not that gaijins are intentionally trying to make Russia op it’s just that their such Russian military fanboys they can’t wait to add the latest and greatest Russian gear and take everything the Russians claim said tanks can do at face value or are at least super generous with their stats.
Russian winrates are booming rn (they've been booming since start of this year rly) so wallet warriors are gonna spend their money on premiums and squadron vehicles. Business is booming at the cost of balance. Obviously they don't care because money. Edit: the winrates for russia have been up since like 2021 actually so at this point im not even afraid to call it russian bias.
There is a logic of adding so many vehicles you have to grind through to reach top tier that in a way you nerf the tech tree because half the players quit trying to make their way through half of it
I love how they gave the BMP-2M prototype APSFDS ammo, more penetration than the Modern PUMA IFV. Despite the fact it was never made, but also years ago. What bugs me about it is they claim they want game balance and realism; but the BMP-2M’s fire rate is also ridiculous. They never fixed the issue with the PUMA’s fires unable to be extinguished either, despite claiming so. So I have to sit there and lose a crew member each time it happens; even with the turret turned to the side. Other issues I despise fighting against russia for is all the ERA/Relikt, that soaks up hits in the most bullshit of ways. The fact that their Helicopter damage models, after being hit with a 120mm Tank round. The sheer kinetic shockwave and force would rip the plane apart, but nah. I like the game sometimes, but my god it makes me want to suckstart a shotgun whenever I deal with Russia as an enemy. If they are ever on my team, feels like I am dealing with brainlets and holding the hands of children.
Yeah, russia on this game got most of things wrong just for their own benefit and look stronger (and the ussr mains believes they are stronger in a clear and legit way lol) -Enemy helis camping in your own helipad (happened to me a lot of times, AA helipad are useless, i just spawn and 01secs after im dead by a Ka standing on my ally helipad lol) -Low repair cost on everything that is broken and farm easy SL -Ka-52 eating MBTs shoots like nothing -Russian MBTs oneshoting everyone but if u shoot at them the ERA will save them -BMP-2M on every BR killing asolutely everyone because its stupid -idk they always survive in a some stupid way when get shoot, or including hitting directly their ammo but they didnt blow up for some dumb reason gaijin decided to implement to make looks his nation look stronger but everyone knows how shitty their mbts can be sometimes (Ukraine war)
It's pretty sick that your uploads are frequent, love how you pack-up that commentary gameplay up for us to consume, consider taking rest with videos when you feel burnt out or tired. See ya in your next upload Spookston
I was playing the 3.7/4.0 Swedish 75mm weird ass bobblehead tank destroyer, and I cannot stress the amount of times I shot at a Russian tank only to hit some random 1.5cm by 1.5cm square in the XRAY view and have that eat 100% of my spall so I do 0 damage I'm shit at the game, so maybe Spookston could help me learn by playing the trash that is low tier Sweden (4.0 and below)
Thats a you problem lmao. Nobody is talking about 4.0 tanks here. The T-34s are fine and balanced. Those spots are everywhere on every tank, in this game machineguns and optics are voids that suck up shells.
i dont know im pretty new to the game and just getting turned off from the game because i dont want to redo all the grind ive already done but it feels like this is just going to keep happening where i just get farmed by the big nations with real tanks
T-34s are notorious for driver ports that eat shots for breakfast, also solid shots in general are unreliable. You either devastate te inside or it turns crews into The Simpsons. No inbetween. Also, *don't* play Sweden low ranks above reserve. Just stay with reserve APDS bois if you want to keep having fun.
@@aidonger42069 There are spots on the turret face that heat from the m51 can one shot its ammo. Just gonna say that France one of the world's best at making military equipment can make a turret face that stop 105 heat irl.
There actually is a third, even better Su-25 (late) in the files as well. And a BMD-4M as well as APFSDS for the existing IFVS (BMD-4, BMP-2 and BMP-3) Probably for next update
@@7shelties i agree man! they're not even trying to hide it anymore. straight up want Russia to just dominate at every BR possible. i Honestly can't wait for Gunner Heat PC to launch
They have magic spall liners on vehicles, several of which I'm fairly certain didn't have them, and extremely over-performing ERA. If these were equalized a bit better I don't think it would that bad, but frequently a russian tank will survive what should be a straight ammo detonation. Like, you can SEE on the hit cam the ammo turn black and fizzle away meaning it blew up, but does nothing.
Yeah bro, getting divebombed by a plane at 90° or sniped by a heli from 10km out bro? bro just use your .50 cal bro please idc if you don't even have one at all bro just use it man spawn aa vro i promise you cas has a very hard time dealing with spaa bro you spawn in spaa it's game over for cas bro
I'm at 9.3 russia right now and the tanks are great, the teams- not so much. I don't know what is it with my teams, but I almost always lose. I find myself fighting 3 enemies at a time while trying to hold a point, while most of my team has just left. But if at least half of my team is competent we always crush the enemy team. I may sound like an asshole for blaming my team, but it's my experience.
9.0-10.0 russia is the worst And its no because the lack of thermals ir mobility its because the Turms players I enjoyed the T-72/T-64B But i managed to stop playing whit WT like 3 months ago and its feels good
@@csorbalaszlo1920 I stopped playing WT for a while too until I got the Battle Pass and 7 days premium as a gift. So now Im here, given up my happy days, fo grind the battle field and suffer in depression in the mean time. Why is this game how it is. (im birtish main btw 💀)
I haven’t even played wt in years and still watch most vids because it’s just so great to see a guy genuinely trying to enjoy the game and of course he actually knows the real world background which just elevates the channel and appeals to history nerds like me
Just wanna remind everyone, just because USSR is getting a top tier squadron vehicle which WILL result in winrates going down a bit, Winrates arent the problem, winrates just show there IS a problem. Their winrate going down wont solve the actual issue.
I tried to say that like no shit. Having new players at top tier doesn’t change how Overpowered the top tier Russian lineups/tanks are. People seriously think that will work
So... I hate to admit it but... The ERA on the side of that damn tank eats Sabot like crazy... The Ka-50 gets spammed to no end, and its ATGMs are insanely powerful and fast The Mig-27 has 4x laser guided ATGMs that are some of the best Anti-Tank weapons in the game Tunguska has great guns and decent Missiles. Main pro is the radar. I honestly have to agree that the russian lineup is insane. When it comes to top tier tanks, I'm pretty much just US. So as a comparison, the us has: Very survivable and fast HSTVL Hellfires are shit, sorry guys... A tank in a forest or city is immune to them due to the laser guidance and travel time. F-14 for CAP and several great options for ground striking... but none of them are laser guided. They're mostly TV guided which is useless at night and don't usually lock targets above 1.5km distance. ADATS has great anti-tank capabilities as long as it doesn't get spotted. But without being able to lock a target spotted on radar (manual lock only is trash for awareness) the Tunguska is a better AA. Russia is op?
Of course Russia has to be the best because if it isn't then Stalin will rise from his tomb and bring a terrible vengeance on Russia. So Gaijin lulls him to sleep with lots of top tiers, overpowered vehicles, and Russian bias
You can also be blessed by Stalin himself with a special metal known as "Stalinium". To achieve that you have to play any russian song on max volume while driving your T-34 or IS-2 while drinking vodka occasionally. The benefits of Stalinium compared to normal metal are that most of enemy shots will straight up bounce off your armor and you will receive +150mm of "invisible" armor everywhere on your tank without adding any weight. Bombs can not kill you as well, and if they land on you they will bounce off to a nearby King Tiger.
Tip for the Mig-27's (this negates any play from ADATS). The strat used by Russia sweats is to climb to space and come 90 degrees straight down onto targets. You both make it hard for their missiles to reach you, and for them to hide from you.
@@prizrak-br3332 The strat does 100% work for TT Jets (and is extremely effective), but I hardly ever see anyone use it (sadly). It seems to be mostly used by Tank RB pilots
The ADATS can't point up very far. The stats on the launchers show like 85 degrees of elevation, but in game you can't look up past the guns elevation limit which is quite a bit less. There's no way to decouple the launchers from the gun to get past this limit so you end up completely unable to deal with aircraft that are coming in from high angles unless you find a steep enough hill in a usable position. edit: spelling
@@AussieGhost789 Yup. Since the optics and launchers are slaved to the cannon, you can only elevate to about 65 degrees. So you can only become the Anti-DAT-Shit when people have room temperature IQ
There’s no fuckin way you shot that HSTVL point blank in the side with a APFSDS shot and it just got sucked into a void… the game infuriates me to no end
Can you do a video on what vehicles best counter top tier Russian mbts? Since it seems this meta isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. I want to invest my time into a faction that can counter this menace lol
I think an easy solution should be just to increase the br cap to like 15 and this way they could balance not only 11.0 but 7.7 6.3 and 5.3 whit nations like Italy having only a 7.7 lineup at that rank and are forced to play whit tanks like the pt 76 57 or 6.3 and 5.3 which are completely dominated by usa and Germany whit tanks that should not be there like the tiger h1
weak yet very inconsistent, I have even shot dm 53s from the leopard 2a5 in its middle lfp and it only kills the driver or the ammo won't detonate 20 percent of the time.
Your best bet is to disable the gun first; Although, any cannon can just eat even the strongest shells without being destroyed quite often in this stupid game.
@@bickboose9364 really? Either I don’t notice or I’ve had stupid luck because I shoot a barrel and the game thinks I got it right down the barrel into the breach
@@n8ivspat3n56 If your shell gets swatted by the side of a cannon (like a bat would a baseball) or it touches the edge of the damage model chances are it'll just get sent to the void. Also, cannons act as ERA. You'll notice at some point that even if you have more than enough pen to go through both, say, the mantlet of a tank *and* the cannon angled in front of it YOU WILL NOT PEN the mantlet.
I would be interested to hear what you would say to Strv9040B or the 9040's generally nowadays. Especially as most of them lack missiles and have mediocre everything combined with low ammo.
I'm pretty sure that I'm never going going to reach top tier. Playing for 6 years and I now ran into that problem that I can never buy any new vehicles that I unlock because all the SL that I earn is used on spading the last unlocked vehicle + expert crew. I earn like 20k at most per match and now everything I unlock cost like 400k.
Russian tanks' composite ke armour modifier is 4, NATO tanks is 0.2-0.89. It might be correct and everyone else's is artificially extremely low, or it might be wrong and everyone else's is still artificially low. Either way its bias.
I like Russian armour as a historical observer, but as a gamer, this kind of turns me off of wanting to play the game at all. I will say for the record again that I wish they would retire the BMP-2M from the game and replace it with either a different BMP-2 derivative, or a 57mm armed BMP-3. Would be at least marginally more balanced that way. As for top tier in general, minor tech trees all need their econ fixed. That would be a huge step to nerfing top end Russian power, since it both gives incentive to play other nations, and makes it viable to bring a more full lineup. Only after that can actual vehicle balance be discussed.
As a casual f2p player (rank 5 USSR, rank 4 Germany and USA) I have to say that whenever I feel the need to play something modern I just test-drive some of the high tier premium and if the need is still there I just play something above 7.0 and the need goes away after the first battle because it's just so much worse for me than 6.3-6.7 and below.
For the US and France, 6.0-7.7 is pure torture. Mostly because of German mains. Russia is balanced this tier. But at 8.0-10.0, playing Russia becomes a turkey shoot.
@@honkhonk8009 Yeah, the thing is that until now I didn't really grind anything, I unlocked all the stuff just by playing what I enjoyed. Now, if I want to advance in any tech tree I'd have spend much more time playing stuff I don't like. So I'll probably just play what I've already unlocked.
The last part showed the most annoying thing: Russian ERA eating all kinds of rockets without consequences. Like what? No overpressure, era is still intact, nothing. When I use rockets on NATO tanks this never happens.
My entire experience of war thunder in the past like 4 months has been logging on like once a week, playing one or two matches in my chally or 122 or whatever, getting curb stomped by russia, remembering why I dont play top tier ground, and then leaving for another week
In my opinion, all of russia is overpowered, it is the most developed tech tree in the game; And most vehicles outperform all other countries at all BR ratings. Thats been my experience since i started last October.
Yet more reasons I tell new players to just quit early in this game. I'm stuck but if your thinking about trying WT don't. Play GHPC if you want a good tank game, for aircraft play DCS or some other flight sim.
The main imbalance at high tier is advanced air weaponry to me. Most tanks from 10 to 11 have extremely similar performance no matter how much people want to whine but getting to bring 4 atgms is always going to turn a ground RB match more than a phantom with a bunch of dumb bombs and rockets for Japan at top tier or whatever
Like I don't think the Russian vehicles are often better than their counterparts directly but your decks are so strong at so many levels because of the variety of available
now russia have the best anti cas and maybe the best cas because the have the new su25 with 40km range missle i dont care if strv122+ is better than t90 and maybe than t80bvm russia is still broken and i like it as a soviet main : )
i just played a match where 3 Ka-50's spawned in with atgms first spawn within 2 minutes of the game half of my team died and left from the ka-50's . we had 2 adats and i had a OTOMATIC. the ka-50's just tanked like 4 of my AA rounds. both adats died at the spawn and then i died from KA-50 spamming the cannon from like 3km away. then they proceeded to just rocket my team . its so fucking stupid . i dearly hope anyone that plays russia get stuck in a room with spiders for a week and tortured.
my favorite part of top tier gameplay is when a (non-Kamov) helicopter gets its entire tail section shot off but gaijin thinks that they can still fly straight forward indefinitely while guiding their atgm's into your face my other favorite part is when a (Kamov) helicopter gets its tail shot off and that counts it as dead lmao gaijin rly has no idea how helicopters work i swear
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The way I see top tier is in three parts.
1. Everyone has fun *Rarest kind.*
2. One side has fun *Common*
3. No one has fun *Extremely common*
You missed russia has fun very extremely common
@@fred3965 Nope. You dont have a lot of fun when playing russia because your team always stomps.
I always have fun. Mig-23MDL was OP? No problem, got him. Now F14A is OP? Good, got him aswell. There is no such thing as country "main" play what is decent.
@@OneAngryVelociraptor "always stomps" i want the same team you have
That's because you haven't been able to use drones this whole time. Boy do I have news for you friend.
"Everyone keeps dying before I can kill them" is truly a top tier Russia issue
no bias though
@@rykehuss3435 bias though.
@@ROMANI15ful what do you mean?…. Clearly no bias here.
The strong part of top tier Russia is the ability of a second even third push. Allied MBTs just don’t exist anymore while Russian teams can bring out consistent firepower and armor.
US has 3 competitive abrams
Ger has 3 competitive leopards
France has 3 leclercs
USSR has 4 competitive tanks, but the T-90A is barely competitive. And odds are you won’t get enough SP to spawn in 3 MBTs.
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There are a few reasons that top tier USSR is strong (CAS, it’s just CAS) and it’s not the fact they have 4, soon to be 5 viable backup MBTs. Spawn points and crew slots make that not an issue
@@alexwilbrecht6962 uuuhhh LOOK AT THE REPAIR COST DIFFERENCES!!!
@@alexwilbrecht6962 Just CAS? Try their IFVs being some of the most broken in the game
@@alexwilbrecht6962 we found a ussr main
@@TheWhoamaters Fucking what? They stop getting IFVs in the main tech tree at 8.7, light tanks like the 2s25 are ok, they dont offer much other than a mobile platform for the 125mm
When Ka 50 gets shot down, the only thing different is the damage model is red lol
I once saw a Ka-50/52 survived 7 ADATS missile with 2 hits that did nothing, and i do mean N O T H I N G
@@AHappyCub yep i seen one take 4 stingers to the face and continue flying on its attack run
@@AHappyCub stalinum armor upgrade - gives +20 to blessed powers :)
and they say there's no russian bias huh
@@TehShinegami all helicopters have broken damage models, not only ka50s
“I think I hear a hstvl hello my son” fails to pen. Time to make another historically accurate video
When they had that Top Tier event, I held down W driving around like a mindless idiot in a T-80, scoring kills I had no right getting. I play as any other nation and get 1 tapped at spawn.
One day i got a nuke with russians without firing a single shoot. Bigfoot was my teammate.
because russia is the ultra easy mode on war thunder
I like to drag a Sherman with me and kill top tier just to make them mad. I nothing but camo on and look like a moving bush lol. So I just let them drive in front of me. And then free kill lol
I have the opposite experience when I play russia. It’s op tanks work just like any other tank when I play russia. I get one shot in my spawn.
@@mizzar4929 as a turms T player and a M1A1 player yeah it really is (America is hell of earth to fight against in mid tiers and if you see a crusader with a jumbo just run away)
So you can play ground RB without playing a ground vehicle and be more effective than if you did play a ground vehicle. Cool.
Oh yeah, and people defend it btw
"ground" RB has been dominated by CAS for years, and in top tier, well, it gets way worse.
I'm the loser angrily cursing Cas Players in ground-rb. I always make sure to put "GROUND"(NOT AIR) RB in chat as such. So many people have such shit attitudes of "lol sum1 big mad" either make a combined Arms mode or keep CAS out of "GROUND" IMAGINE how they'd feel If we brought top tier SPAA into AIRRB
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@@francoisassatlien8642 not much different because sam players are 95% useless, sitting in spawn pressing 2 buttons and crying once you outplay them like mig27k
the most recent broken Russia experience I had was a t8bvm casually not dying from 3 maverick missiles. which I launched at the same time bc I figured the era would stop one of em but all 3 I don't even know how man. I checked in the replay and the second 2 did pen but only killed the driver bc magic spall and overpressure proof armor.
For some stupid reason the AGM-65 lacks overpressure mechanics in the game. It should functionally kill everything short of a small ship in one hit due to having the explosive mass of a 250 pound bomb and high hit probability.
i'm not an expert but i feel like a missile that can split a frigate in half should probably be able to kill a tank.
Iiiiipipiiild
Uuu
@@h1tsc4n40 they have comparable explosive mass to the AGM-12 Bullpups. Only since the warhead is labeled as HEAT instead of HE, the damage is garbage
It still baffles me how helis are able to be a first spawn.
Since we going to get drones actually gaijin can raise the SP spawn point all the planes/helicopters
Spookston:"it doesnt matter if your lineup is really broken. If your team sux then you are not having fun."
The 3 competent germany mains that play from 5.0 to 7.0: *sounds about right*
tfw 3.5th-ish but same fam
then again it does fit the "Germany *late war*" meme
@@ForelliBoy yeah the br 3.0 to 4.3 range is also pretty nuts too
@@pepeman69_24 yeah but the German tanks there can at least hold their own since they start getting that 75mm
3 is generous. There is no competent German mains in that range. Only competent players from other trees that want easy SL games
@@para_magnus2200 Yeah, attempting to play Germany at 3.0 ish is just pure suffering
Ah yes the ricochet that went through the HSTV-L and dealt no damage.
Somehow I think these ricochets only happen on light tanks.
I really like spookston but I feel he attributes things to "russian bias" that are commonly stupid and inconsistent in the game. One example is what you said, it always happens with those US light tanks. Another is helis surviving stupid shit sometimes (Ka-52 is after all a coaxial rotor heli and it would make sense if it would keep some forward momentum if both rotors are intact). And so on and so forth. Not that ussr to tier isn't stupid powerful atm, nor that the Ka-50/52 isn't cancerous. But there are reasons for that, adding to that with circumstantial evidence just ruins your case imo and it makes commieboos even more relentless about their positions
@@CetoFreakingKaiba The fact that only the Russian helis can do it, and they have the best unguided rockets, and the 2nd best ATGMs, and the best Air to Air rockets, IS JUST BS, Also he knows about the ricochets he didn't say that was bias and he even made a video about how the game is not biased but he means when you hit ammo IT SHOULD FUCKING EXPLODE, but it doesn't. Dude watch the videos before you critique them, dont be IGN.
@@CetoFreakingKaiba I watched a video of an Abram's shooting apfsds at a container and you can see the energy in dispersed into it and the amount of shrapnel that it created, no heli should survive a shot from a tank or a anti air missile. Also the ricochet problem happens with all tanks because of how gaijin calculates penetration, if you hit directly perpendicular to a plate it will not penetrate. And finally, the t80bvm is completely broken and the other t80's are almost as broken as someone found in the hidden stats that the t80's do not create any secondary fragmentation from internal components unlike any other tank in the game and its side era will eat top tier apfsds regularly.
@@LEFTY073 yes, no heli should survive a tank shell or a missile, and it's even stupider that it keeps flying for so long, since that the game itself considers it incapacitated. Yes ricochet problem is common for many vehicles but (from my experience at least) seems more noticeable with light tanks with extreme angles. And yes, the BVM is completely op and an addition that was totally not needed for the russians. Arguably the T72B3 is the same, though it also kinda suffers from regular T72 issues. I disagree with nothing you said, I totally agree in fact. My issue is when there is an implication that those are issues that specifically favor ussr vehicles, while they are idiotic inconsistencies that can be found everywhere in the game.
@@kousand9917 I watch every video of spookston for the past 2 or 3 years. I don't disagree with any of your points, or most of his really, but as I already said, implying that some game problems favor ussr specifically is unfair. Yes, ammo should fucking explode, when you hit it, there is no question about that. But it definitely isn't only the russian helis that get completely wrecked and keep flying to gather more kills. It's just that more players play russian helis in this cancerous manner, at least at top tier (for various reasons). Many could argue that US has by far the most cancerous cas. This is in part true as they have the largest variety of aircraft, but the popularity of those aircraft should also be considered to explain the spam.
helicopters are so unpredictable and inconsistant. Sometimes they go down in 1 hmg hit, sometimes they can shrug off heat and proceed to full your tank with lead and missiles
Edit: face reveal?
RNG in a nutshell my guy
Pls don't
They need to remove the count down to auto eject or bring it way down. It was an issue with planes but it's worse with helicopters. You get ten seconds to do what? Suicide bomb somebody? It's not like you can do anything else with it. A dead aircraft needs to either be ejected so everybody can't play like suicidal maniacs or bring it down to two or three seconds. I wouldn't mind the occasional trade. But I hate seeing a plane take a ninety degree turn straight for me because I just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Its only Russian Helis cause the KA-50/52 can still fly with their tail gone cause of the 2 rotors on top.
@@kousand9917 the ah 1g also does that, but it is because it is only temporary unlike the ka 50's
How Russia sees it's military compared to how it actually is lmao
Couldn't be better said.
Waiting for russian copium to arrive any moment now;
The vehicle are great the strategy are bad and if you’re that blind to not notice this ye we can’t do anything for you
The vehicles are good it’s just that in reality they are poorly maintained and Russian generals are just throwing their tanks mindlessly, and any tank in the world would be completely destroyed if a javelin hits it
@@TRPilot06YT uhh actually Russia is extremely based and the troop shortages and random shitter t72s in open fields getting blown up are all part of the plan
There was times where i thought that every nation has strong side in top tier. CAS for US, Armour and numbers for Russia, mobility and firepower for Germany. But then i remember that Ka-50, Ka-52, MiG-27K, Su-17M4 T-80BVM exists...
In reality their tanks suck and have never performed well in wars. But this game is made by Russians. This game is essentially a fantasy of what they wish their military was like
Bro all of them are easy to take down, maybe get good?
i'm amazed how ka50 mounted s-8KO are like 10 times more effective than those on german mi24
that's because the pods are mounted differently
I swear i hate german s8ko's
@@Mr.Savage surely
I mean its more affective than the Russian mi24 too.
I think Spook is reconsidering his opinions on whether or not Russian bias is real in War Thunder.
Its so clear there is.
The moment theres a vehicle that cant be actively measured in a Museum, Gaijjin makes it ridiculously OP.
Look at the T-55AMD-1 active protection system.
In reality, there are multiple reports of the APS being jammed by simple ground clutter.
Theres even reports of the APS being ineffective, if theres MOUNTAINS nearby.
The APS needs multiple seconds of tracking to actually produce a firing solution aswell.
APS should not be activating on top attack missiles either, since it purposely does not activate on missiles thats ballistic path does not intercept the actual tank.
@@honkhonk8009 I feel like that’s probably the worst example you could’ve given. Reliability will never be a factor in WT in that way; if it was, a lot of ATGMS that you fire would have like a 50/50 chance of just doing nothing.
I'm placing bets you main Germany.
@@honkhonk8009 multiple seconds of tracking is ridiculous given current calculators and radars (or whatever it uses), and even then ground clutter is essentially not noticeable (given maths)
Whether they're built well is another story
@@tuluppampam when was the T55AMD-1 developed?
The way I have always seen top tier is just copy pasted vehicles with different designations and maybe some slight internal differences. I have yet to see any upgrade packages for the Abrams line (like TUSK) in the form of modifications rather than whole new vehicles.
They still need to 6 different versions of the Abrams. Half of them being variants of thr m1a2 but they still have more verity than most copy paste Russian tanks.
@@casematecardinal I'm waiting for all the Leo 2a4 packages to arrive. RUAG, Revolution, AMAP
@@mrprism5382 well considering how many ads you already have, they'll keep adding them and I'm going to never get any of the Abrams variants mentioned because gaijin hates America
Bro you don’t need any more leos 😂 let the us finally get some Abrams variants
@@connorlundquist3723 yeah. But gaijin doesn't like us so I wouldn't hold my breath
You forgot to mention that you can have a decently strong line up with purely premium, squadron and event vehicles because they’re all in a relatively close br range
I feel like the consistent rapid spawning of russian tanks is pretty solved in Arcade battles because every nation no matter how well you do you can only spawn a total of three times.
Cas problems are also solved too. Since aircraft and helicopters can only stay around for about a minute before they return to base. Implementing that into GRB would be awesome. People still get to use their own selection of aircraft but they can't just linger around in the sky forever like so many helicopters do.
@@jordonturner9559 Have to agree about AB set ups.
In GAB the cas and the artillery barrage are more or less kill streaks.
@@giulio7853 That's true, but in GRB or sim right now, CAS can loiter or go back to base and rearm/refuel. In GAB, if the enemy choose to start air battle, some of the other team can get in planes too, if they have the points.
@@chalion8399 exactly.
About that HSTV-L: I once had a scenario where I had my 122 soviet gigacannon, shot a tiger1 straight in the unangled, flat mantlet, I shit you not, the bullet ricoched in a 90° angle off nothing. It just hit, then moved sideways and left. Needless to say I died instantly ofc because he bounced a shot on my front glacis, under my barrel and back through the breech directly into my turret. I shit you not the logic is dumb of this game. Oh yeah and when playing the ikv91 I had a Heat shell (aka instaexplodes on contact) Ricochet off a barrel I hit directly. This game is dumb
Ok
Exact same thing happened to me except i shot a panther from the side from less than 100 meters with APHEBC 122mm, it bounced off a 10mm thicc side skirt
@@guutn7973 That's likely buggy geometric shells seeing twice the armor & generating weird bounces at overlapping armor segments. A bug Gaijin hasn't been able to fix for ages, while adding more broken tanks.
Dm53 out of 2a5 got "non pen" on bmp-2m lower front plate
Why do I never get these moments even though I have 660 hours by now? I'm not top tier yet but man
Top Tier Russia is how all nations should play/feel like.
Well no. Not all nations built their tanks to accommodate the same doctrine. But they do need to do something so they don't get flattened.
I hate the fucking fact that the Mi4V has ATGMs at the same BR as the AH1G.
Sure the Mi4V is slow as shit, but that doesnt matter if your in a heli. YOUR NOT A FUCKING AIRPLANE.
You hover behind terrain, fire an ATGM, and then switch spots. Its simple.
But instead, you see braindead Russia/Germany mains treat it like a Stuka, and rush spawn openly with very little altitude with zero cover, only to die instantly to a Gepard or a VEAK.
The Hind is at 8.7, has ballistic computers for its rockets, and has ATGMs ontop of that.
Yet you see these mfs do the same fucking thing, and never use the heli as intended.
@@honkhonk8009 mi4 is complete dogshit
@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 the immortal doctrine to not die to fuel explosions and ammo not exploding with no spalling.... oh snap im not thinking of nation doctrine just trashjin pathetic bias
@@honkhonk8009 its shit one way or another
I've always been a defender of CAS in ground RB, but I've started to realize that there is no way to implement it without it being completely broken. Removing all CAS from Ground RB would actually fix a lot of other problems the game has, since the existence of CAS completely changes how people act. For example, wouldn't you feel much more confident poking your head out if you knew that there weren't helicopters and jets scanning every centimeter of dirt for every little hint of movement, waiting to one shot anyone they see?
I’d honestly be fine with playing in ARB’s as an AA on the ground, but yeah… CAS just kind of ruins the experience in the matter of a lot of things.
CAS is fine, the issue is the lack of reliable ways to kill it. The best way to balance CAS would be to force cockpit view.
Because right now, if you use radar-relying SPAA the enemy knows you're there, and you can either lock onto them and give away that you are about to launch a missile at them, or not lock them, and hope to god you can keep the reticle on them without assistance as soon as they see the missile shot from below them and start doing a dance in the air.
And if you use Ozelot or other IR SPAA the guy in a plane can just look around and see the missile even if it's launched from directly behind him, completely destroying literally the only advantage these missiles have, which is not giving any launch warnings
Honestly, if CAS with afterburners wouldn't get an airspawn, it would be much more bearable, since fast jets can basically disappear from radar sight in less than 5 seconds after spawning just by pointing their nose up.
Edit:
Oh, and also if they fixed helis' IR signature, Russian helis would be less of a headache too since many LAV-ADs and other vehicles with Stingers or similar missiles drive around every match, and only being able to lock on them under 2.5 - 3km is pretty useless for toptier helis, only for strafers.
@@randomguyingasmask Thats a really good idea, force an airfield take off and reintroduce the ability of radars to scan at higher altitudes
@@randomguyingasmask
that is actually a good suggestion.
And it will be more balanced in the future with the new T80 variant and SU25. Man i started grinding italian tech tree and its gonna be more painful now.
just buy the new turkish helicopter premium for italy, it's busted
Oof that's gonna be fun for the 8.3s being able to see Vikhrs
@@darktemplardelta268 Huh? The Su-25 doesn't get Vikhrs, only the Su-25T does and that's not getting added this patch.
@@araknas3981 my bad thought it would have been added to the 9.3 premium one
Do yourself a favor and stay below 8.0 for a while. It's more fun when you aren't facing dozens of Turms all the time
I love how he just tanks shots and I get one shot every time
Try playing UK challengers or other nations then and see the difference its night and day that russia is OP
Yeah i have the Russian, German, American top tier and rank 6 Sweden i can totally agree that the Russian top tier is op
@@fred3965 The Chally and Ariete are pretty bad but all other MBTs are competitive you just need to play them to their strength's. Russian and Chinese tanks are good for rushing and frontline combat but there is nothing you can do to a hulldown Leopard, the Abrams is a good all-rounder that can survive a few penetrating hits, Type-10 is an excellent flanker, Merkava Mk4M is another good sniper with APS and the Strv-122 is an objectively better Leopard that is almost impossible to one shoot from the front. The problem is most players are terrible and only know how to press W which has a better chance to work in USSR plus it doesn't help that allied teams are full one death leavers.
any time i play leo 2a6 or 2a5 the first thing that hit me either kills my commander and loader or the breach. then my reload goes up to like 10 seconds while russian autoloader keeps slinging the shots after I do no damage to his turret like nothing
@@prizrak-br3332 most Russian mains are shit and only press W, the only difference is that russias bullshit armor and there lack of spalling saves there garbage ass from dying. I have shot a BVM in my leopard 2a5 using dm 53, 3 times in the lower front plate , all shots penned but they only got absorbed by fuel tanks, and only put the driver in yellow, this dumbass now turns and completely exposes his side , so I shot him an additional 4 TIMES IN THE SIDE, all of the shots went straight through the tank not detonating the ammo carousel, and he was able to retreat and repair.
..never once had it taken more more than 2 penning shots to kill a nato tank, but in regular occasion (even when aiming for the weakspots) russian tanks survive 2+ shots getting penned. russian tanks are inconsistent tanks that take almost zero skill to play compared to nato tanks.
It's always fun trying to see how ridiculous big you can make a top tier deck be like and it always ends up being Russia. After the update, you can make a full deck 11.0 with
5 MBTs
3 Light Tanks
1-2 SPAA
3-4 Attack Jets
2-3 Helis
Maybe 2-3 Fighers ?
And still have plenty to spare.
Tbf the only 11.0 ground nation I got IS Russia, but that's way too mcuh stuff lol
I want to see you fit all that in one lineup
well, to be fair -- USA:
4 Mbts
3 light tanks
2 SPAA (adats can be anti tank too)
4 Helis
6+ effective aircraft easily
bro and russian mbts are stupidly broken and survivable , they take the least skill to play because of how stupid there armor is.
@@qualitycontentchannel4443 but the only difference is the Abrams can't survive 7 shots being penned by a DM 53 (yes I shot a T-80BVM 7 fucking times in 2 weakspots, the lower front plate and the side (litteraly a 90 degree angle) every round penned, but the ammo rack didn't detonate, the round refused to spall, I shot Like an inch from the ammo rack and nothing happened, not a single crewman died they were only in red. he was able to back up and repair, I later got an assist on him. if that doesn't prove how broken russian tanks are idk what does. sure russian tanks CAN be easy to kill, but they are so fucking inconsistent, sometimes if you shoot a russian tank in the side it will instantly die (which from my experience is around 20 percent of the time) but other times you shoot it in the exact same spot and it doesn't do shit. that's why russia is such an op nation, there players rely on luck not to die. and even if you get completely out played by your enemy, you can still have bullshit happen and not get killed, especially that you have an anetire team that can cover you and help repair you, russian tanks 50 percent of the time are very hard to actually effectively kill or immobilize.
@@toyotawitha20mm35 massive skill issue lol
Since the Ka-52 is a compound helicopter it should not seed its tail to prevent it from spinning out of control. However, it must be there for a reason so I imagine it is what allows the Ka-52 to steer.
I assume it’s there for stability, since otherwise it would probably be rocking around quite a bit.
Probably for added maneuverability, I guess speed of each rotor can controlled separately
Probably stability at speed
The KA-52 has a tail for stability during high speeds.
Without it, the helicopter would start flailing around and be unstable at speeds higher than 65kmh.
If we were to follow Gaijjins logic with past nations, the repair cost on KA-52's should be incredibly high, and any shot remotely near the swashplate should result in instant loss.
Purely because of how unreliable and needlessly complex the rotor system is.
The US considers a 20% failure rate to be unacceptable.
Russia considers a 20% failure rate to be a personal record on reliability.
Its why Russia fielded active protection systems on its tanks in the 80s, even though in reality they wouldnt even work outside lab conditions, and the radar would get jammed even when theres a fucking mountain nearby, all while needing multiple seconds of tracking the projectile to even produce a firing solution.
Meanwhile the M163 has a beyond faulty radar that never locks on even when directly staring at an aircraft, for "realism"
All helicopter flight models and damage models are stupid, the Ka-50/52 are just the most broken. Not only are they missing hitboxes for the rotor blades, swashplate, 'jesus nut' (yes that is a technical term), but the fire control and flight control computers+ optics and laser emitters are absent from the model. Without those, almost all high BR choppers are completely defanged.
Giajin be like yea I see nothing wrong with this, historically accurate even!
All Russian main's main excuse for Russian op BVM is that NATO tanks can reverse faster..
Meanwhile the BVM does a 360 degree turn in less than a second and get outs of almost any situation instantly, while most NATO tanks get their engines and crew knocked out from the first hit anywhere on the hull.
Dont forget the lack of overpressure and spall on top tier russian tanks
NATO NERA armour is subpar irl tbh it performs better to some extent than Russian armour against HEAT though I believe at least until ERA is included and even then Russian armour is still decent against HEAT just when looking at it's base protection
BVM has the same turret rotation speed as the Leopard 2 and Abrams
yeah lmao and it's the only tank that can survive 7 shots (all of them penned, this is a true story, I shot a BVM 3 times in the lfp which didn't do a single damn thing, then I shit it 4 times in the side, that also did nothing, he reversed and repaired, then I got an assist like a few minutes later.
@@zeffy._440 source? Because as far as im aware NATO NERA currently is on par with if not superior than its soviet counterparts, go look up the swedish trials for the leopard 2A5 improved. Over 700mm of kinetic energy protection in some areas without ERA, and over 1200mm of chemical energy protection.
I love how Gaijin employees listen to the opinions of players about adding/nerfing vehicles. How so many players ask for the USSR tree to be curbed.
and then Gaijin does the most based thing a dev can do and adds more vehicles to the largest tt.
I think it’s not that gaijins are intentionally trying to make Russia op it’s just that their such Russian military fanboys they can’t wait to add the latest and greatest Russian gear and take everything the Russians claim said tanks can do at face value or are at least super generous with their stats.
Russian winrates are booming rn (they've been booming since start of this year rly) so wallet warriors are gonna spend their money on premiums and squadron vehicles. Business is booming at the cost of balance. Obviously they don't care because money.
Edit: the winrates for russia have been up since like 2021 actually so at this point im not even afraid to call it russian bias.
@@shabah2644
cardboard era
Cardboard era
Cardboard era
There is a logic of adding so many vehicles you have to grind through to reach top tier that in a way you nerf the tech tree because half the players quit trying to make their way through half of it
@@shabah2644 Or CEO of Gaijin, Anton Yudintsev and Kirill Yudintsev are Russian themselves
i got 75% winrate with my BVM, i feel so bad ruining people game with Ka-52 and MiG-27K. i just hate when facing russia, its so balanced
Everyone is balanced. Some are just more balanced than others.
If you'd really feel bad you'd stop. Nah, you're enjoying ruining matches. And, that's ok. The sooner people are put off with this game the better.
@@bickboose9364 but if im playing other nations, my team always get stomp by them, its not fun anymore.
Have 70% with a negative KD in my BVM now lol
I love how they gave the BMP-2M prototype APSFDS ammo, more penetration than the Modern PUMA IFV. Despite the fact it was never made, but also years ago. What bugs me about it is they claim they want game balance and realism; but the BMP-2M’s fire rate is also ridiculous. They never fixed the issue with the PUMA’s fires unable to be extinguished either, despite claiming so. So I have to sit there and lose a crew member each time it happens; even with the turret turned to the side.
Other issues I despise fighting against russia for is all the ERA/Relikt, that soaks up hits in the most bullshit of ways. The fact that their Helicopter damage models, after being hit with a 120mm Tank round. The sheer kinetic shockwave and force would rip the plane apart, but nah.
I like the game sometimes, but my god it makes me want to suckstart a shotgun whenever I deal with Russia as an enemy. If they are ever on my team, feels like I am dealing with brainlets and holding the hands of children.
Yup, the penetration of the BMP-2m is quite ridiculous. You would think that it might not one-shot you in the Puma, but then it just does!
Yeah, russia on this game got most of things wrong just for their own benefit and look stronger (and the ussr mains believes they are stronger in a clear and legit way lol)
-Enemy helis camping in your own helipad (happened to me a lot of times, AA helipad are useless, i just spawn and 01secs after im dead by a Ka standing on my ally helipad lol)
-Low repair cost on everything that is broken and farm easy SL
-Ka-52 eating MBTs shoots like nothing
-Russian MBTs oneshoting everyone but if u shoot at them the ERA will save them
-BMP-2M on every BR killing asolutely everyone because its stupid
-idk they always survive in a some stupid way when get shoot, or including hitting directly their ammo but they didnt blow up for some dumb reason gaijin decided to implement to make looks his nation look stronger but everyone knows how shitty their mbts can be sometimes (Ukraine war)
Give up on MBTs and go back to WW2 and you'll be much happier I promise.
@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 I stick around 8.7 or 5.3 at this point. Yeah, I like using the Tigers still. Have all of them but the striped one.
BMP-2Ms firerate is true to real life though...and it's also fragile as a vine glass, which NATO IFVs are not.
top tier Russia has the unique trait of being the furthest from their real life counterparts in terms of capability
lol how?
It's pretty sick that your uploads are frequent, love how you pack-up that commentary gameplay up for us to consume, consider taking rest with videos when you feel burnt out or tired. See ya in your next upload Spookston
I was playing the 3.7/4.0 Swedish 75mm weird ass bobblehead tank destroyer, and I cannot stress the amount of times I shot at a Russian tank only to hit some random 1.5cm by 1.5cm square in the XRAY view and have that eat 100% of my spall so I do 0 damage
I'm shit at the game, so maybe Spookston could help me learn by playing the trash that is low tier Sweden (4.0 and below)
Thats a you problem lmao. Nobody is talking about 4.0 tanks here.
The T-34s are fine and balanced. Those spots are everywhere on every tank, in this game machineguns and optics are voids that suck up shells.
i dont know im pretty new to the game and just getting turned off from the game because i dont want to redo all the grind ive already done but it feels like this is just going to keep happening where i just get farmed by the big nations with real tanks
T-34s are notorious for driver ports that eat shots for breakfast, also solid shots in general are unreliable. You either devastate te inside or it turns crews into The Simpsons.
No inbetween. Also, *don't* play Sweden low ranks above reserve. Just stay with reserve APDS bois if you want to keep having fun.
One of these days you should talk about how the Leclerc's are missing an insane amount of the armor they have in real life.
how much & where?
Didn't someone leak leclerc data to gaijin, so that gaijin now effectively can't change anything on it.
@@coa8752 nah it was only about turret Rotation speed iirc
@@aidonger42069 There are spots on the turret face that heat from the m51 can one shot its ammo. Just gonna say that France one of the world's best at making military equipment can make a turret face that stop 105 heat irl.
Apparently Gaijin thinks only Russia is able to manufacture effective composite armor.
I find this very similar even against mid tier russia. My catchphrase these days is 'target undamaged'
Spookston not mentioning the HSTV-L in a video challenge, failed successfully.
There actually is a third, even better Su-25 (late) in the files as well.
And a BMD-4M as well as APFSDS for the existing IFVS (BMD-4, BMP-2 and BMP-3)
Probably for next update
Fuck please no. At least give the Warrior and other western ifvs dart shells then
Gaijin really wants to kill their game apparently.
@@7shelties i agree man! they're not even trying to hide it anymore. straight up want Russia to just dominate at every BR possible.
i Honestly can't wait for Gunner Heat PC to launch
oh boy.....
4M is here now
They have magic spall liners on vehicles, several of which I'm fairly certain didn't have them, and extremely over-performing ERA. If these were equalized a bit better I don't think it would that bad, but frequently a russian tank will survive what should be a straight ammo detonation. Like, you can SEE on the hit cam the ammo turn black and fizzle away meaning it blew up, but does nothing.
4:45 Clearly the problem here is that it’s a *High Survivability* Test Vehicle
That thing just ricocheted a 125MM apfsds round im pretty sure its more than high survivability
4:43 Ah yes, the infinite armor bug that Gaijin hasn't bothered to fix.
I mean.... the KA-50 and KA-52 were designed to fly without a tail.... Doesnt explain how they can eat APFSDS shells easily though
These are just some examples of the reasons why I mostly stick in the world war II era of this game.
Had a game where I was the only tank left, my team had 3 ka50s. We won
What is the difference between a balanced game and an Extreme Balanced game?
Gaijin: Yes
Now that drones are added to War Thunder and I is perfect to counter the helicopter.
Chooses Ground realistic, can play the whole match using air
Just spawn aa bro, use your .50 cal bro
Yeah bro, getting divebombed by a plane at 90° or sniped by a heli from 10km out bro? bro just use your .50 cal bro please idc if you don't even have one at all bro just use it man spawn aa vro i promise you cas has a very hard time dealing with spaa bro you spawn in spaa it's game over for cas bro
@@VKK-cr1uk "just buy a house" 🤡
I main top tier Russia, and if your team is not blind, you will steam roll the enemy very quick
I'm at 9.3 russia right now and the tanks are great, the teams- not so much. I don't know what is it with my teams, but I almost always lose. I find myself fighting 3 enemies at a time while trying to hold a point, while most of my team has just left. But if at least half of my team is competent we always crush the enemy team. I may sound like an asshole for blaming my team, but it's my experience.
9.0-10.0 russia is the worst
And its no because the lack of thermals ir mobility its because the Turms players
I enjoyed the T-72/T-64B
But i managed to stop playing whit WT like 3 months ago and its feels good
@@csorbalaszlo1920 I stopped playing WT for a while too until I got the Battle Pass and 7 days premium as a gift. So now Im here, given up my happy days, fo grind the battle field and suffer in depression in the mean time.
Why is this game how it is. (im birtish main btw 💀)
@@chomp5558 F
Get well
I haven’t even played wt in years and still watch most vids because it’s just so great to see a guy genuinely trying to enjoy the game and of course he actually knows the real world background which just elevates the channel and appeals to history nerds like me
Just wanna remind everyone, just because USSR is getting a top tier squadron vehicle which WILL result in winrates going down a bit, Winrates arent the problem, winrates just show there IS a problem. Their winrate going down wont solve the actual issue.
I tried to say that like no shit. Having new players at top tier doesn’t change how Overpowered the top tier Russian lineups/tanks are. People seriously think that will work
Because of that, it's purely satisfying watching FlaRak or Ito-90 enforcing a no-fly zone.
So... I hate to admit it but...
The ERA on the side of that damn tank eats Sabot like crazy...
The Ka-50 gets spammed to no end, and its ATGMs are insanely powerful and fast
The Mig-27 has 4x laser guided ATGMs that are some of the best Anti-Tank weapons in the game
Tunguska has great guns and decent Missiles. Main pro is the radar.
I honestly have to agree that the russian lineup is insane.
When it comes to top tier tanks, I'm pretty much just US. So as a comparison, the us has:
Very survivable and fast HSTVL
Hellfires are shit, sorry guys... A tank in a forest or city is immune to them due to the laser guidance and travel time.
F-14 for CAP and several great options for ground striking... but none of them are laser guided. They're mostly TV guided which is useless at night and don't usually lock targets above 1.5km distance.
ADATS has great anti-tank capabilities as long as it doesn't get spotted. But without being able to lock a target spotted on radar (manual lock only is trash for awareness) the Tunguska is a better AA.
Russia is op?
And in real life they don’t even have enough thermals to equip new tanks with. Let alone gen 3 lmao.
Of course Russia has to be the best because if it isn't then Stalin will rise from his tomb and bring a terrible vengeance on Russia. So Gaijin lulls him to sleep with lots of top tiers, overpowered vehicles, and Russian bias
You can also be blessed by Stalin himself with a special metal known as "Stalinium". To achieve that you have to play any russian song on max volume while driving your T-34 or IS-2 while drinking vodka occasionally.
The benefits of Stalinium compared to normal metal are that most of enemy shots will straight up bounce off your armor and you will receive +150mm of "invisible" armor everywhere on your tank without adding any weight.
Bombs can not kill you as well, and if they land on you they will bounce off to a nearby King Tiger.
@@DirtL The bias is strong
Tip for the Mig-27's (this negates any play from ADATS). The strat used by Russia sweats is to climb to space and come 90 degrees straight down onto targets. You both make it hard for their missiles to reach you, and for them to hide from you.
This is the strategy for top tier jets, it works with every nation. I don't have russian air but I do that with US and Germany and works 90% of times.
@@prizrak-br3332 The strat does 100% work for TT Jets (and is extremely effective), but I hardly ever see anyone use it (sadly). It seems to be mostly used by Tank RB pilots
The ADATS can't point up very far. The stats on the launchers show like 85 degrees of elevation, but in game you can't look up past the guns elevation limit which is quite a bit less. There's no way to decouple the launchers from the gun to get past this limit so you end up completely unable to deal with aircraft that are coming in from high angles unless you find a steep enough hill in a usable position.
edit: spelling
@@AussieGhost789 Yup. Since the optics and launchers are slaved to the cannon, you can only elevate to about 65 degrees. So you can only become the Anti-DAT-Shit when people have room temperature IQ
Ka-52 in WT: genocide of leopards
Ka-52 in real life: genocide of leopards
Top tier ussr suffers because your team always has a total of 3 braincells combined
Killing a Turms is tough, unless you catch it from the side or behind. Russia has the best termals, for the other nations it is blurry. Etc.
Hit the lower front plate on the russian mbts. It’s a guaranteed kill 99% of the time
@@exactlybasically8603 Will try, just a bit hard when they keep scooting in and out of cover while being angled.
The Turms has the same armor as a T-72A, it's UFP has only 350mm of armor against apfsds
Funny thing is russia can't even produce thermals in real life they buy the technology from the west!
105 dm33 goes clean through it era and all
There’s no fuckin way you shot that HSTVL point blank in the side with a APFSDS shot and it just got sucked into a void… the game infuriates me to no end
He hit right on the armor edge and the round got gaijin'ed.
Can you do a video on what vehicles best counter top tier Russian mbts? Since it seems this meta isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. I want to invest my time into a faction that can counter this menace lol
"the bvm never eats shots"
Spookston proceedes to eat up at least 5 in this short video
1:23 he didn't take my shell too well lmao. but the bvm is crazy tanky
@@SPACECOWBOY_Hej he did drive out showing his side so.
But sometimes relikt eats 120mm
DM33 even on the side so.
You never know
I think an easy solution should be just to increase the br cap to like 15 and this way they could balance not only 11.0 but 7.7 6.3 and 5.3 whit nations like Italy having only a 7.7 lineup at that rank and are forced to play whit tanks like the pt 76 57 or 6.3 and 5.3 which are completely dominated by usa and Germany whit tanks that should not be there like the tiger h1
sure is weird how in real life these tanks tend to blow up from a wayward glance but are god's gift to humanity in this russian made video game.
I found the BVM’s lower plate in front is pretty weak. I’ve used a 105 against it hell I’ve even killed one using the hstvl with one well placed shot
weak yet very inconsistent, I have even shot dm 53s from the leopard 2a5 in its middle lfp and it only kills the driver or the ammo won't detonate 20 percent of the time.
Your best bet is to disable the gun first; Although, any cannon can just eat even the strongest shells without being destroyed quite often in this stupid game.
@@bickboose9364 really? Either I don’t notice or I’ve had stupid luck because I shoot a barrel and the game thinks I got it right down the barrel into the breach
@@n8ivspat3n56 If your shell gets swatted by the side of a cannon (like a bat would a baseball) or it touches the edge of the damage model chances are it'll just get sent to the void. Also, cannons act as ERA. You'll notice at some point that even if you have more than enough pen to go through both, say, the mantlet of a tank *and* the cannon angled in front of it YOU WILL NOT PEN the mantlet.
Maybe I’m garbage but the slow reverse always gets me😂
Could you plz try the "Ha-Go", the Japanese BR 1.0 tank??
Almost 2k hours in and I never knew there was a carrier on that map
I would be interested to hear what you would say to Strv9040B or the 9040's generally nowadays. Especially as most of them lack missiles and have mediocre everything combined with low ammo.
theyre just all overtiered
I'm pretty sure that I'm never going going to reach top tier. Playing for 6 years and I now ran into that problem that I can never buy any new vehicles that I unlock because all the SL that I earn is used on spading the last unlocked vehicle + expert crew. I earn like 20k at most per match and now everything I unlock cost like 400k.
You should totally play an Ariete. they sure are wacky fun and exciting!
I'm sure this is by no means related to current real life events, g a i j i n
T-80s in War Thunder : Giga/TeraChad MBT
T-80s in Armored Warfare: Help im getting penned in the front by a 20mm auto cannon
Imagine having painfully grinded only one tree that is systematically facing russia at tier > 9 , makes you want to trash your computer...
Russian tanks' composite ke armour modifier is 4, NATO tanks is 0.2-0.89. It might be correct and everyone else's is artificially extremely low, or it might be wrong and everyone else's is still artificially low. Either way its bias.
I like Russian armour as a historical observer, but as a gamer, this kind of turns me off of wanting to play the game at all.
I will say for the record again that I wish they would retire the BMP-2M from the game and replace it with either a different BMP-2 derivative, or a 57mm armed BMP-3. Would be at least marginally more balanced that way.
As for top tier in general, minor tech trees all need their econ fixed. That would be a huge step to nerfing top end Russian power, since it both gives incentive to play other nations, and makes it viable to bring a more full lineup. Only after that can actual vehicle balance be discussed.
As a casual f2p player (rank 5 USSR, rank 4 Germany and USA) I have to say that whenever I feel the need to play something modern I just test-drive some of the high tier premium and if the need is still there I just play something above 7.0 and the need goes away after the first battle because it's just so much worse for me than 6.3-6.7 and below.
For the US and France, 6.0-7.7 is pure torture. Mostly because of German mains. Russia is balanced this tier.
But at 8.0-10.0, playing Russia becomes a turkey shoot.
@@honkhonk8009 Yeah, the thing is that until now I didn't really grind anything, I unlocked all the stuff just by playing what I enjoyed. Now, if I want to advance in any tech tree I'd have spend much more time playing stuff I don't like. So I'll probably just play what I've already unlocked.
Russian top tier mbts ammunition not exploding is an issue many players of said tanks like overlooking
I love the command and conquer generals music in the background
Whats ridiculous is how straight the russian heli gun shoots compared to the apache
That’s cause it’s much more rigidly mounted than the Apache gun. More accuracy for being able to move around less.
Do some research before opening your mouth with that typical westoid “bias” rant.
I, once again, understood nothing, but was entertained
The last part showed the most annoying thing: Russian ERA eating all kinds of rockets without consequences. Like what? No overpressure, era is still intact, nothing. When I use rockets on NATO tanks this never happens.
My entire experience of war thunder in the past like 4 months has been logging on like once a week, playing one or two matches in my chally or 122 or whatever, getting curb stomped by russia, remembering why I dont play top tier ground, and then leaving for another week
love the videos dude but a lot of people i know dont play above 7.0 because of how spammy jet cas, helocopters, and atgms are
Imagine Gaijin caring about the balance of the game
In my opinion, all of russia is overpowered, it is the most developed tech tree in the game; And most vehicles outperform all other countries at all BR ratings.
Thats been my experience since i started last October.
Not really,only at top tier.WW2 BRs for Germany and US have better tanks.
@@AFT_05G Russian tanks get trolly armor when they shouldn't be so trolly at low to mid brs.
@@morva4498That's true, t-34-85 bounced my long 88 way too many times
Yet more reasons I tell new players to just quit early in this game. I'm stuck but if your thinking about trying WT don't. Play GHPC if you want a good tank game, for aircraft play DCS or some other flight sim.
The main imbalance at high tier is advanced air weaponry to me. Most tanks from 10 to 11 have extremely similar performance no matter how much people want to whine but getting to bring 4 atgms is always going to turn a ground RB match more than a phantom with a bunch of dumb bombs and rockets for Japan at top tier or whatever
Like I don't think the Russian vehicles are often better than their counterparts directly but your decks are so strong at so many levels because of the variety of available
@@keithsimpson2150 nah dude, t80bvm is bullshit
I think there's also the amount of vehicles effective at 11.0 you can bring. Russia has a loooooooooooot of vehicles.
That Ka-52 clip gave me a ptsd of times before their liquid rockets got nerfed.
now russia have the best anti cas and maybe the best cas because the have the new su25 with 40km range missle i dont care if strv122+ is better than t90 and maybe than t80bvm russia is still broken and i like it as a soviet main : )
Wait till this guy finds the t34.
i just played a match where 3 Ka-50's spawned in with atgms first spawn within 2 minutes of the game half of my team died and left from the ka-50's . we had 2 adats and i had a OTOMATIC. the ka-50's just tanked like 4 of my AA rounds. both adats died at the spawn and then i died from KA-50 spamming the cannon from like 3km away. then they proceeded to just rocket my team . its so fucking stupid . i dearly hope anyone that plays russia get stuck in a room with spiders for a week and tortured.
lmfaoo
That's a very cool story but Ka-50 can't spawn with ATGMs first spawn.
@@amanamu231 He didn’t say first spawn. He said within two minutes.
@@7shelties He literally said "3 Ka-50's spawned in with atgms first spawn".
@@amanamu231 Top tier sim be like
Wow 2:41. Bit of a stomp? The entire enemy team left after 1 or 2 deaths goddamnit. They doomed themselves.
the real russian experience would be spawning a t-80 and then being forced to drive a t-54 once you respawn
🤣
Spookston: "yeah but I don't know how to fly it"
Also spookston: 1:58
And it has zero exploits whatsoever...
Bruh,there are times that i dont even touch the ground and get 2 ace
Seems like Gaijin is a bit salting about a current conflict their country isnt winning.
Insert comment about gaijin being a “Hungarian company” when in reality they’re still Russian.
Gaijin is Ukrainian company? Didn't know that
@@kommandantwunder6785 cope
@@condorscondorlooks like that's what you are doing right now
@@kommandantwunder6785 cooooope
Video i have been waiting for a loooong time
my favorite part of top tier gameplay is when a (non-Kamov) helicopter gets its entire tail section shot off but gaijin thinks that they can still fly straight forward indefinitely while guiding their atgm's into your face
my other favorite part is when a (Kamov) helicopter gets its tail shot off and that counts it as dead lmao gaijin rly has no idea how helicopters work i swear