Yeah, future of FullForce is unclear. Wish they would release at least one full integration as well as list of upcoming ones (probably same as TrueForce). Just like unclear - if Asetek, Moza, SimAlpha and SimuCube would catch up with something similar, to keep up in competition (please ask them if you get chance). Will Fanatec be better because of faster and more consistent slew-rate (as they claim for new DD/DD+). And as follow-up for this and upcoming reviews - there is always extra interest in detailed direct (DD or HH - head to head )) comparison with competition. DD+ vs Forte in each title (iR, ACC, AC, DR, BNG). Some reviewers find Asetek worse in AC, some use stiff GT3 cars of ACC as reference - to check details of "faster slew-rate", etc. Please share your opinion - viewers and customers need info to be able to pick either wheel.
I really want to buy this but I’m really worried about all the people not receiving customer support for their orders from months ago. The warehouse issues scare me it’s soooo much money.
Most of the issues are still related to the black friday sale related items such as v2.5x and QR1 as far as I know. A lot of people have posted on the fanatec subreddit about receiving the DD+ wheelbases already. Customer service is still fucked because of the BF sale, wait time is at least a week from my own experience.
Just go for another brand, it is not worth it. Im from Germany and had Fanatec gear...even here it takes weeks for them to do anything. And the quality is just not there, they have almost no product wich has minor or no problems at all. Save your sanity and time and go for Asetek, Simagic or even Moza.
Fanatec sucks!!!! My wheel broke over 2 1/2 months ago they finally sent me a return shipping label a month ago and I haven’t heard from them since. So they have horrible customer service, and they kept my system that I paid for!!!!!!! I’m very disappointed in this company. So, they are taking customers hard earned money and keeping/defective product. I through this would be a great hobby. $3000.00 paper weight!!!!!!!!! Not to many companies make great wheels for PS5
Honestly if you buy anything other than the qr2 lite your just spending money on bling the aluminum wheelside pieces will in all reality wear faster from removal and installation. The design of the product along with it being sandwiched between solid aluminum on the output shaft and a quality stiff wheel means flex will be a non issue with the qr2 lite wheelside piece. The plastic they mold it from is probably stiffer and stronger than the average casted then machined 6061 pot aluminum that is common in this industry. Its the same way in the rc industry, theres a whole market for shitty shiny pretty aluminum parts that are weaker and lower quality than plastic blends that people buy because they automatically think metal is stronger than plastic. Theres a massive difference between a real quality part machined from billet 7075 using american or european stock and the 6061 stuff thats casted and then finish milled from old pop cans and third and fourth run milling slag in china. One will stretch and deform at the limit before shearing clean the other will shatter exposing the ugly pourous metal
The weak flex point is the shitty plastic steering wheel not the coupler. This is all from an engineering perspective. As long as the molds are good and accurate and plastic composition is appropriate this is not an application where plastic will be a negative. The two pins that hold the wheel on will 100% wear faster in their slots in the aluminum versions(metal on metal) without lubrication as graphite/carbon plastic blends are self lubricating
@@Haulinbassracing what I don't understand though is that the plastic version is disabling peak torque ffb on some wheelbases. Whether that's a marketing stunt to push people to buy the more expensive version or a real mechanical concern, idk
@@maximravinet9950 the only real way to know would be to cut off the nubby and use the strongest wheelbase available. Would be nice to see them tested to failure independently. I believe the nub only locks out the full 15nm on the higher end products, the 12,8 and 5 nm bases wouldn't have anything limited. I've been running the qr2 lite for quite a while now with zero issues .albeit only on 8nm base but I play allot of beamNG off-road which is probably the most abuse I can put on it when it comes to loads and quick and sudden movements in the force feedback
Just upgraded from CSL DD 8nm to CS DD recently, I wouldn't thought the difference would be this high. Although the price is a little bit high imo, the original 700 would be more fair ( I've used the 25% voucher got from BF mistake with the 2.5X) so for 600 was a great deal.
The thing is though, Moza APPEAR cheap on the face of it. But then you go to check out and put in your address and then chuck on £150 shipping, so then you end up not so far off of getting a Fana wheel anyways.
Got my dd+ and mclaren gt3 wheel with qr2 upgrade the alu wheel side one. Love this so happy i didnt get the gr7 wheel its just not worth it fanatec didnt design it and thats clear. People love blaming them for everything. As you said it was poly who designed it its why it looks so similiar to thrustmasters lol. But yeah other then that holy crap the dd+ is so good. Its replaced my simagic 15nm alpha which I did not expect. Got it for ps5 its fully replaced everything. So yeah so good reminds me of the asetek when using it. Same slew rate also! Yay You knwo its good when reps from other brands state its better then there own products lol.
@@reviewforthetube6485which would you keep? I'm torn between the alpha u and the DD+. I REALLY want some console compatibility. Since I have both ps5 and Xbox. along with PC. I know you can apparently use simagic with the sigma cortex according to super gt.
Dd+ over simagic. Its more responsive. If you want condole support you cannot beat native connections. Simagic does not feel close to ss good on console with the adapter. Dd+ even on pc imo feels better. Its got depth and has different variations on ffb feeling. The simagic feels very similiar with everything it tells you so its not very dynamic. Its rnage is good and it does have a great feeling but its just not as quick or reactive. its turn in also feels stiff from the start through instead of starting out a little lighter then getting heavier towarss the limit of grip before slipping like ither bases do. I really think the dd+ is the best 15nm wheelbase on the market and I think it beats all of simagics offerings. Simagic is fantastic for the price and what you get. Everyone buys the mini so its gotten tons of popularity and the gt neo has made them get alot of attention. But overall it's ffb isn't as polished. Also its details feel digital. The dd+ details have depth with the suspension. Enjoy! Get the dd+ with the nclaren gt3 wheel. You can play both ps5 and Xbox that way and also pc. @Bsaunders17
I did try to buy from Fanatec but after a month of waiting I got my money back and bought a Moza R9. I hope they get their stuff together because they are one of the top dogs.
Logitech has a good non true force experience. The difference between the clubsport dd and logitech pro exists, it's a little noticeable. The cs dd is better in non true force scenarios, but like anything that is not a determinant factor when choosing a wheelbase.
Excellent review. Good you point out the good and the bad with Fanatec. Customer support is still appalling, but I hope everyone gets their orders soon.
If full force works like true force on the logitech g pro wheel then fanatec users are in for a real treat as when used correctly it does add a nice extra bit of feedback in the rim
I guess other brands would catch up. Accuforce had it initially, SimCube devs were playing with it, Asetek is preparing its software update and knowing how serious and talented they are - I guess it will be just a matter of time.
I appreciate your review, but the video was too long for me to watch in its entirety. I have a question: Does the QR2 Lite limit the torque on this wheelbase? I’m looking to upgrade from the DD GT Pro. Thank you!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. This wheel is closer to a wheel in a real car which most consumers of this product will be familiar with. It's better looking than the Space Ship Formula wheels that seem to be all the rage today.
I agree, I dont like the gt wheels too. But i only play rally games so i'am only using round wheels anyways. But the wheel does look cheap and bit gamer like, I have nicer wheels on my simrig then in my real car that look great, but this wheel aint it. (mx5 2022)
I have the CS DD and currently on Xbox. Have a weird issue with ACC, the game recognizes it as a CSL DD and I have no force feedback, it steers and everything just no FFB. In Asseto Corsa it works fine lol. One other weird thing with ACC is I have to restart the console if I try ACC before I can play any other game or the FFB in other games is just super sensitive and the wheel base feels weird. Again this is on Xbox, kind of curious if anyone else has experienced this. (Note: the same thing happens with my g923 regarding ACC and having to restart after playing it.) love the wheelbase though, it is my first Direct Drive experience.
@@Schmacks yep got it last week. Took 2 weeks total. Gt Dd pro, csl pedals, esports v2. the packages didnt show up on the same day though took like 3 different days.
Totally agree. I don’t think it’s nearly as ugly as everyone says. Maybe not the best looking wheel but I can think of at least a dozen other ones that are way worse in my opinion
I have this wheel and bundle. I’m enjoying the wheel. I’ve gotten used to the fake leather but I wasn’t a fan tbh. The shifters feel great in my opinion. But right I really only play on ps5 cause my pc is still running a 1070 and Ryzen 5. I say that to say, the oled display on the work doesn’t work at all on gt7 and it’s so hard to find any tangible information on the matter.
If you order one you'll never get it. I've been waiting months for my wheelbase. But fanatec can sure send out review units immediately this is absolutely insane I'm so pissed off
@@andrecole9502 clearly its more important for Fanatec to sell more of the product to new customers before they even get the pre-orders out to the customers that were mislead. Influencers are quite happy to get their commission too and in most if not all free wheel to keep. They are not reviewers anymore when they cannot be fully impartial and when as a paid income they rely on having such business contracts/relationships with companies to continue to get their new products.
Gotta see what full force does that should be a game changer. N I agree they need to make a podium version of that wheel, that u can buy seperate n has all the buttons, but better feeling, alcantara, aluminum.
I have to disagree on the ffb stuff with you, i tried the logitech g pro wheel and the true force ... it does nothing and creates unwanted noise in the ffb. With it disabled it felt so much cleaner and direct.
Can you please Install a different wheel Rim with QR2 Lite and let me know if you still get 15Nm? I would like to know why in the DD+ Description it says QR2 Lite and QR1 Lite will be limited to 8Nm Yet here they’ve Pre-Installed a QR2 Lite and it Gets 15Nm
God awful is a bit extreme pun intended. is it the best looking wheel, far from it but it is very in line with all previously released PD licensed wheels (including thrust master) and is definitely function over form with a specific design for GT7.
Im still trying to dwcide whether to go with the dd, dd+ or logitech dd, and what pedals. Main use is pc but It would be nice to have PS option if I ever get one haha… well at least there are options
Dont bother with fanatec, if you have issues with anything you are fkd. And almost all their products have issues. If you are on pc go with Asetek or Simagic, leagues above anyhting Fanatec or Logitech has. Doh the Logitech support is great. For ps5 use (gt7 the only game worth playing) just get a 50$ adapter/converter.
@@Daz5Daz that is wrong. The ClubSport DD Bases do have a Low Torque and a High Torque Mode! Wheels with QR2 Lite will be limited to Low Torque Mode, so 8 Nm. This GT X wheel is the only exception where the High Torque Mode gets enabled even with the QR2 Lite. But every other wheel is 8 Nm with a QR2 Lite.
I’ll wait the returns of the community. And might get this csl dd+ extreme bundle next year. Even the price is high and all the bad press fanatec got. Lack of customer service, delivery problems… It will be out of stock most of this year.
What I would like to know is: as-is, without FF, does the DD+ clip less than the DD Pro 8nm or is it still really just bad FFB but stronger? DD Pro is amazing in ACC and other sims, it seems like a game problem. Maybe FF makes it better but it seems like a bandaid at most.
@@randomcallsignI guess so but GT7 seems to clip badly no matter what settings. Even Fanatec agrees in their forums. Other games clip, but not nearly as bad. It seems that the DD+ really isn't a worthy upgrade if you have a DD Pro 8nm - unless FullForce is really a magical bandaid. Will wait and see.
try F3 on iracing with high ffb or jigsaw kerbs in acc with high and low slew rates. you'll know immediately. another 100% working test is if your girlfriend is annoyed (=high slew rate) or not. :) it makes quite the difference in noise levels too when everything is shaking harder
As u might see i did nothing else than F3 all of 2023 on iracing :) So will see if i can get the chance to try a new DD again and just test that... with "quick" slew rates, even thoguh i can say that simucube and asetek bases dont feel better for me than fanatec dd2 with high power. Remember its hard for humans to feel even diff between 5ms and 10ms - if not imopssible, @@SimracingPopometer last but not least the asetek F1 profile made by real F1 driver has the base set on the slowest slew rate setting :)
@@NesterowiczRacing real drivers are a marketing tool in simracing, they are not a good source for settings. simracing ffb has to do more than irl "ffb", because we don't feel g forces.
@@SimracingPopometer exactly , just like SlewRate. Yet funny isn't it that? That their profile is with the slowest sleeve rate "last I checked". So it's like they contradict them selves in this case. Regardless my point is ... Yes technically it's a bonus. In simracing I argue no one can feel the difference between 3 and 9 slew rate. And that befor making those numbers a defining factor one should focus on car handling, track and race craft knowledge more. Than blaming a slightly slower slew rate ;). It's marketing and it works. I work with marketing myself ;)
Loved mine until it stopped working 2 days ago out of the blue. A lot people with the same problem. Don't buy it!! I don't live in Europe or US, so will be a nightmare to RMA this thing.
@randomcallsign I mean I am buying this wheel, but will be using it on the 12nm clubsport. So are you meaning to say more than 8nm is only possible in the combination of this bundle?
@randomcallsign like mentioned in my very first comment - buying it from someone who wont be needing it. Have a regular 12nm CS DD myself and kinda confused now if my QR2s and wheelbase will also give me the full 12nm
The csl DD uses a 90W PSU and the boostkit is 180W. I wonder if they gonna do the samething with the club sport and make the ultra Extreme pro+++ version with a 420W psu
Rim is from MOZA with the Podium Button Module Rally from Fanatec. This rim is offered by many tuning shops, ali and sim racing shops, price range is $50 to $130 (fake leather, real leather, suede, alcantara)
Thank you! First youtuber to state the obvious, that this wheel looks awful 😅 I know looks are subjective but this really looks like a childs toy designed to be mounted to a pram to keep the kid occupied. It sort of made sense with the previous GT pack as it was a bit cheaper overall, but the CSDD+ is a pretty high end wheel base and would deserve a better looking wheel. The only pro of this is that it makes my Asetek round wheel look like an elegant master piece of engineering design...
Fanatec has two big problems, one is competition, there are far more other options available today that their USP’s have been drastically eroded, secondly I think the founder of the company became far too complacent, got too greedy (trying to expand too quickly without proper infrastructure in place) and is now arguably not the right person to take the company forward. In his recent interview I thought he came across as slightly arrogant.
What you meant was, you got yours. Shipping is screwed for me and 2 other friends... Today marks 9 days of sitting in "have to Warehouse" . Website started 4 to 7 to ship. We ordered 16 days ago. 7 days processing and 9 in warehouse. 3 people. So no. Fanatec is still hit or miss. I recommend unless you just like risking stuff.... Looking elsewhere because after it's in warehouse it is hell to try and cancel........ It'll be weeks before resolved... Just to cancel for me.
@@randomcallsign i'm not hating you mate, i'm hating them. they struggle to manufacture and supply the products they already have advertised for sale and have also already sold. This just proves it's not a logistical issue they are facing though.
The issue with this wheel wasn't even logistics. It was Sony licensing and Fanatec jumping the gun and never stating that it could be delayed. Customers have recieved the cs dd plus prior to nda lifting. The extreme was released today.
@@randomcallsignthe issue here is they presold a ddplus, delayed it for over a month, mislead everyone on reason for delays, then immediately after starting to ship the ddplus, they release this bundle. You see, not all of us get our stuff for free from them. The people who preordered, now cant get the new wheel lol. See how crappy that is? Release a bundle never mentioned before and the preorder people literally get no benefit?
You just added color and intent from Fanatec to deceive, to what is essentially the same what I just said. DD plus never had a supply issue. It was licensing that Sony didn't attribute and Fanatec thought it was going to be released December and never told customers it could be delayed. I know this because end of year December was the original time this video was supposed to be released. No company is under obligation to disclose anything regarding new products. You don't know if the DD extreme information public release wasn't embargoed by sony.
@MrNice-zm9qk you mean won lottery ticket? I know people who ordered V2.5X after me, fanatec claimed they'll fill order on first come first server basis. They received their rims already, I'm still waiting. It's annoying, worrying and I'm afraid I might never see neither my rim nor my money. Yes, I know I could cancel but I want to get this rim quite badly.
Might be, this was the first video I saw. Was in the premiere of it an noticed it was unavailable/privated 30 minutes later. An hour later from the original premiere, boosted media released the video and others followed, like Rory and Steve, this video also came back up. In a nutshell what I meant to say was, this video went up an hour earlier than others as far as I know. @@MrNice-zm9qk
@@Xpl0jd1 Also, the FFB fidelity is supposed to be on par with high-end competition and the Fanatec eco-system can be a plus, if you like it or are in it already. Fanatec has a high compatibility rate with a large variety of games, too. And realistically 15nm of holding torque is more than most people will need.. Accurate FFB levels for a GT3 car, for example, are around 12nm. The higher torque outputs are only relevant if you want to use it for weird FFB challenges, a workout, or perhaps if you want to simulate old race cars.
Man, if only we would get GT on PC. That would be the greatest thing for many reasons. Especially the fact that Fanatec wouldn’t be able to pull this level of bullshit. Because even with the bullshit they have been pulling for months now, they are the only one in the space, and it will forever be out of stock while till way over priced.
Hi, recently vivid rumors say that GT7 is coming on pc along ghost of Tsushima and more. In 2022 there’s was a leak from nvidia documents, GT7 on pc was on this list as horizon forbidden west PC which was announced at nvidia event at CES 24. Fingers Crossed
Fanatec is wrong for not providing customer service. My wheel broke over 2 1/2 months ago they finally sent me a return shipping label a month ago and I haven’t heard from them since. So they have horrible customer service, and they kept my system that I paid for!!!!!!! I’m very disappointed in this company. So, they are taking customers hard earned money and keeping/defective product. I through this would be a great hobby. $3000.00 paper weight!!!!!!!!! Not to many companies make great wheels for PS5
I really wonder how their new FFB thing feels. I’m still suspicious that it’s just some vibration BS like the Logitech TrueForce stuff, which a really good Wheelbase like Simucube 2 can do already. I switched from podium DD2 to a Simucube 2 pro and the force Feedback of the Simucube is so much better! You can finally feel the limits of your car while cornering! The DD2 is good, but the SC2 Pro is just on another level and if you spend money like this always go for the Simucube!
@@randomcallsign Not taking into account future Truforce support, as you tested it, how does the DD+ compare to Simucube Sport in both strength and responsiveness (slew rate?)?
I never had a simucube for more than 15m. I cant know. But I can infer. This wheelbase is comparable to forte, and better, imo, than the laprima. It would be comparable and possibly better than the sport. When I mean better, the differences are small and you need to care about them. The usability part will depend on setups. There may be situations where simucube sport will be a better choice no questions asked. For example you want an open ecosystem. Check reviews between the sport and asetek and from that a reasonable conclusion can be made. Regardless, any wheelbase I've mentioned is too choice.
I have since moved on from trusting fanatec. They have lost me for life. Going pc only route, and Simagic and not looking back. Fanatic just seems so untrustworthy. That’s my personal opinion. As if he really cared oboist users, he would have confronted everyone on his site waaaaay back in 2023, and not waited till he had RUclipsrs bringing him to the light…
@@Mr.RotalaAnd the Logitech wheel + pedals works out slightly cheaper. With Logitech you get a better quality wheel + load cell pedals for less money.
@@Mr.RotalaAnd the Logitech G Pro wheel + Pro pedals actually works out cheaper than this. For less money you get a better quality wheel and you get load cell pedals.
it would make it ok regardless if there was a podium hub or not. fanatec owns their ecossystem, and does not have a monopoly on simracing wheelbases. you dont have to buy their stuff. nobody does.
I dont see any reason to get a fanatec setup?! I mean if you are on console, maybe... but there are workarounds. Im looking to upgrade my setup and i most likely will get Asetek. They have everyhting you need, with much better quality across all products. And it is cheaper also.. if you are not invested in fanatec and have a bunch of wheels allready... i dont see any reason for it. The best outcome: it works fine and you overpaid for lesser hardware, the worst: you have one of the million issues reported from many users and are stuck with the support for months. Lose/lose situation?! EDIT.: And i am from Germany and would love to support a local company....
Why is every sim gear reviewer so... narrow-minded (want to avoid using a harsher word)? How can you compare a ps-compatible wheel to moza and asetek? Do you not see the huge gran turismo logo on front? Do you really think someone who wants to buy this will consider a base that is not ps-compatible?
Let me get this straight. You called narrow minded to someone that in a review talks about possibilities of use of an equipment that is being reviewed, and compares it to the natural competition that the reviewer himself has tried? Are you for real?
Is it narrow-minded to consider that a large portion of people that would buy this, will use it on PC and would see moza and asetek as possible alternatives? You are being narrow-minded by only considering the Playstation compatibility here.
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Yeah, future of FullForce is unclear. Wish they would release at least one full integration as well as list of upcoming ones (probably same as TrueForce).
Just like unclear - if Asetek, Moza, SimAlpha and SimuCube would catch up with something similar, to keep up in competition (please ask them if you get chance). Will Fanatec be better because of faster and more consistent slew-rate (as they claim for new DD/DD+).
And as follow-up for this and upcoming reviews - there is always extra interest in detailed direct (DD or HH - head to head )) comparison with competition. DD+ vs Forte in each title (iR, ACC, AC, DR, BNG). Some reviewers find Asetek worse in AC, some use stiff GT3 cars of ACC as reference - to check details of "faster slew-rate", etc. Please share your opinion - viewers and customers need info to be able to pick either wheel.
8 months in and there is still not a single sim with FF support 😢
I really want to buy this but I’m really worried about all the people not receiving customer support for their orders from months ago. The warehouse issues scare me it’s soooo much money.
Most of the issues are still related to the black friday sale related items such as v2.5x and QR1 as far as I know. A lot of people have posted on the fanatec subreddit about receiving the DD+ wheelbases already. Customer service is still fucked because of the BF sale, wait time is at least a week from my own experience.
Yup also I doubt that plastic QR2 lite that's included will hold up too.
Just go for another brand, it is not worth it. Im from Germany and had Fanatec gear...even here it takes weeks for them to do anything. And the quality is just not there, they have almost no product wich has minor or no problems at all. Save your sanity and time and go for Asetek, Simagic or even Moza.
Fanatec sucks!!!! My wheel broke over 2 1/2 months ago they finally sent me a return shipping label a month ago and I haven’t heard from them since. So they have horrible customer service, and they kept my system that I paid for!!!!!!! I’m very disappointed in this company. So, they are taking customers hard earned money and keeping/defective product. I through this would be a great hobby. $3000.00 paper weight!!!!!!!!! Not to many companies make great wheels for PS5
@@themadnes5413the problem for me is. I only have a PS5 and there’s not many choices of sim racing system. I only found Logitech Pro G
I find the wheel to be very cool looking, a lot more than the old design
Fanatec says the plastic QR has been tested to withstand its wheelbase's torque. Why do I not believe them?
Honestly if you buy anything other than the qr2 lite your just spending money on bling the aluminum wheelside pieces will in all reality wear faster from removal and installation. The design of the product along with it being sandwiched between solid aluminum on the output shaft and a quality stiff wheel means flex will be a non issue with the qr2 lite wheelside piece.
The plastic they mold it from is probably stiffer and stronger than the average casted then machined 6061 pot aluminum that is common in this industry.
Its the same way in the rc industry, theres a whole market for shitty shiny pretty aluminum parts that are weaker and lower quality than plastic blends that people buy because they automatically think metal is stronger than plastic.
Theres a massive difference between a real quality part machined from billet 7075 using american or european stock and the 6061 stuff thats casted and then finish milled from old pop cans and third and fourth run milling slag in china. One will stretch and deform at the limit before shearing clean the other will shatter exposing the ugly pourous metal
The weak flex point is the shitty plastic steering wheel not the coupler. This is all from an engineering perspective. As long as the molds are good and accurate and plastic composition is appropriate this is not an application where plastic will be a negative. The two pins that hold the wheel on will 100% wear faster in their slots in the aluminum versions(metal on metal) without lubrication as graphite/carbon plastic blends are self lubricating
1300$ wheelbase and they include a plastic connector for the wheel
is this some kind of joke?
@@Haulinbassracing what I don't understand though is that the plastic version is disabling peak torque ffb on some wheelbases. Whether that's a marketing stunt to push people to buy the more expensive version or a real mechanical concern, idk
@@maximravinet9950 the only real way to know would be to cut off the nubby and use the strongest wheelbase available. Would be nice to see them tested to failure independently. I believe the nub only locks out the full 15nm on the higher end products, the 12,8 and 5 nm bases wouldn't have anything limited.
I've been running the qr2 lite for quite a while now with zero issues .albeit only on 8nm base but I play allot of beamNG off-road which is probably the most abuse I can put on it when it comes to loads and quick and sudden movements in the force feedback
Just upgraded from CSL DD 8nm to CS DD recently, I wouldn't thought the difference would be this high. Although the price is a little bit high imo, the original 700 would be more fair ( I've used the 25% voucher got from BF mistake with the 2.5X) so for 600 was a great deal.
Good to know! Baby DD 8nm here too.
I'm also considering CS DD from CSL 8nm upgrade. Can you share your experience from since you got it?
I don't know why people hate the wheel. It's the most functional steering wheel from Fanatec
The thing is though, Moza APPEAR cheap on the face of it. But then you go to check out and put in your address and then chuck on £150 shipping, so then you end up not so far off of getting a Fana wheel anyways.
Got my dd+ and mclaren gt3 wheel with qr2 upgrade the alu wheel side one. Love this so happy i didnt get the gr7 wheel its just not worth it fanatec didnt design it and thats clear. People love blaming them for everything. As you said it was poly who designed it its why it looks so similiar to thrustmasters lol. But yeah other then that holy crap the dd+ is so good. Its replaced my simagic 15nm alpha which I did not expect. Got it for ps5 its fully replaced everything. So yeah so good reminds me of the asetek when using it. Same slew rate also! Yay
You knwo its good when reps from other brands state its better then there own products lol.
literally just picked up this exact same setup today...coming from a csl elite and f1 wheel
@@romanpearce7189 nice! I still own it but I also own a simagic ultimate now to lol
@@reviewforthetube6485which would you keep? I'm torn between the alpha u and the DD+. I REALLY want some console compatibility. Since I have both ps5 and Xbox. along with PC. I know you can apparently use simagic with the sigma cortex according to super gt.
Dd+ over simagic. Its more responsive. If you want condole support you cannot beat native connections. Simagic does not feel close to ss good on console with the adapter. Dd+ even on pc imo feels better. Its got depth and has different variations on ffb feeling. The simagic feels very similiar with everything it tells you so its not very dynamic. Its rnage is good and it does have a great feeling but its just not as quick or reactive. its turn in also feels stiff from the start through instead of starting out a little lighter then getting heavier towarss the limit of grip before slipping like ither bases do. I really think the dd+ is the best 15nm wheelbase on the market and I think it beats all of simagics offerings. Simagic is fantastic for the price and what you get. Everyone buys the mini so its gotten tons of popularity and the gt neo has made them get alot of attention. But overall it's ffb isn't as polished. Also its details feel digital. The dd+ details have depth with the suspension. Enjoy! Get the dd+ with the nclaren gt3 wheel. You can play both ps5 and Xbox that way and also pc. @Bsaunders17
I hope the steering wheel would be released separately in future. I'm still happy with the 8Nm GT DD Pro wheel base.
The wheel wont be sold separately.
I did try to buy from Fanatec but after a month of waiting I got my money back and bought a Moza R9. I hope they get their stuff together because they are one of the top dogs.
I really like the look of the wheel but I don't get why it comes with a QR2 light.
greed
I would love to see the comparison video between Logitech G Pro and DD Extreme
when fullforce comes, ill do that
@@randomcallsign Are you saying that right now without full-force Logitech is better? ;)
Logitech has a good non true force experience. The difference between the clubsport dd and logitech pro exists, it's a little noticeable. The cs dd is better in non true force scenarios, but like anything that is not a determinant factor when choosing a wheelbase.
Fanatec Clubsport GT DD Extreme is now beiing delivered in the USA in 5 days from ordering with a weekend included for me.
Very much enhoyed the detail of your review. Thank You
Excellent review. Good you point out the good and the bad with Fanatec. Customer support is still appalling, but I hope everyone gets their orders soon.
If full force works like true force on the logitech g pro wheel then fanatec users are in for a real treat as when used correctly it does add a nice extra bit of feedback in the rim
I guess other brands would catch up. Accuforce had it initially, SimCube devs were playing with it, Asetek is preparing its software update and knowing how serious and talented they are - I guess it will be just a matter of time.
i dont like true force at all, for me it feels just like noise .. and not feedback. But each their own i guess.
I appreciate your review, but the video was too long for me to watch in its entirety. I have a question: Does the QR2 Lite limit the torque on this wheelbase? I’m looking to upgrade from the DD GT Pro. Thank you!
@@luiztechai yes and no.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. This wheel is closer to a wheel in a real car which most consumers of this product will be familiar with. It's better looking than the Space Ship Formula wheels that seem to be all the rage today.
I agree, I dont like the gt wheels too. But i only play rally games so i'am only using round wheels anyways. But the wheel does look cheap and bit gamer like, I have nicer wheels on my simrig then in my real car that look great, but this wheel aint it. (mx5 2022)
The DD+ base is not available in Japan….I had to buy the DD Extreme bundle to replace my CS2.5
I have the CS DD and currently on Xbox. Have a weird issue with ACC, the game recognizes it as a CSL DD and I have no force feedback, it steers and everything just no FFB. In Asseto Corsa it works fine lol.
One other weird thing with ACC is I have to restart the console if I try ACC before I can play any other game or the FFB in other games is just super sensitive and the wheel base feels weird. Again this is on Xbox, kind of curious if anyone else has experienced this. (Note: the same thing happens with my g923 regarding ACC and having to restart after playing it.) love the wheelbase though, it is my first Direct Drive experience.
Pretty cool! it's too bad fanatec still hasnt't sent out my gt dd pro I ordered last week in north america
It's a week bruh. I ordered stuff laat week on top of my BF DD+ order and that went out today with the DD+ two days ago. You'll get it
@@DeejayJeanP good to know.. I'll stop the panic attack😅
@@F1WestCoasthas it shipped yet? Im thinking of buying a Fanatec wheel but am worried it will take months like people have been saying
@@Schmacks yep got it last week. Took 2 weeks total. Gt Dd pro, csl pedals, esports v2. the packages didnt show up on the same day though took like 3 different days.
I would like to have that wheel. But I already have a DD1 which I really love and I not trying to buy another wheel base.
Not worth getting another one, imo.
The rim looks like a Nissan wheel I like it
Totally agree. I don’t think it’s nearly as ugly as everyone says. Maybe not the best looking wheel but I can think of at least a dozen other ones that are way worse in my opinion
I have this wheel and bundle. I’m enjoying the wheel. I’ve gotten used to the fake leather but I wasn’t a fan tbh. The shifters feel great in my opinion. But right I really only play on ps5 cause my pc is still running a 1070 and Ryzen 5. I say that to say, the oled display on the work doesn’t work at all on gt7 and it’s so hard to find any tangible information on the matter.
Good review,really a interesting wheel base, but better wait until the games add the fullforce in the games
If you order one you'll never get it. I've been waiting months for my wheelbase. But fanatec can sure send out review units immediately this is absolutely insane I'm so pissed off
@@andrecole9502 clearly its more important for Fanatec to sell more of the product to new customers before they even get the pre-orders out to the customers that were mislead. Influencers are quite happy to get their commission too and in most if not all free wheel to keep. They are not reviewers anymore when they cannot be fully impartial and when as a paid income they rely on having such business contracts/relationships with companies to continue to get their new products.
Gotta see what full force does that should be a game changer. N I agree they need to make a podium version of that wheel, that u can buy seperate n has all the buttons, but better feeling, alcantara, aluminum.
I have to disagree on the ffb stuff with you, i tried the logitech g pro wheel and the true force ... it does nothing and creates unwanted noise in the ffb. With it disabled it felt so much cleaner and direct.
It would be nice if you'd compare this to logitech g pro wheel :) especially when fullforce will be available :)
That's what I'm planninh
Can you please Install a different wheel Rim with QR2 Lite and let me know if you still get 15Nm? I would like to know why in the DD+ Description it says QR2 Lite and QR1 Lite will be limited to 8Nm Yet here they’ve Pre-Installed a QR2 Lite and it Gets 15Nm
Any other wheel with QR2 Lite is limited to 8 Nm.
Wtf how do all you “ RUclipsrs " already have this when I was first batch to order November 10th
Because RUclipsrs make people order/pre-order. Once they got the money, they don't care about their customers anymore.
Because this was supposed to release in December.
God awful is a bit extreme pun intended. is it the best looking wheel, far from it but it is very in line with all previously released PD licensed wheels (including thrust master) and is definitely function over form with a specific design for GT7.
Im still trying to dwcide whether to go with the dd, dd+ or logitech dd, and what pedals. Main use is pc but It would be nice to have PS option if I ever get one haha… well at least there are options
Dont bother with fanatec, if you have issues with anything you are fkd. And almost all their products have issues. If you are on pc go with Asetek or Simagic, leagues above anyhting Fanatec or Logitech has. Doh the Logitech support is great. For ps5 use (gt7 the only game worth playing) just get a 50$ adapter/converter.
So your saying that with all other wheels using a qr2 is limited to 8nm but the the extreme wheel with qr2 lite does 15nm ????
Correct
@@Daz5Daz that is wrong. The ClubSport DD Bases do have a Low Torque and a High Torque Mode! Wheels with QR2 Lite will be limited to Low Torque Mode, so 8 Nm. This GT X wheel is the only exception where the High Torque Mode gets enabled even with the QR2 Lite. But every other wheel is 8 Nm with a QR2 Lite.
You need to make a t-shirt with that wheel Rim on it minus the GT logo that says under it "It's not ugly its JDM" I would so buy one
Great video- getting this in the RSA 🇿🇦 Is going to be very difficult and the local price is going to cost a kidney
Praying for you lol
Hopefully you have two kidneys? If so, winner!
Would have considered/bought the CS DD but 799€ is too much for 12nm.
I’ll wait the returns of the community. And might get this csl dd+ extreme bundle next year.
Even the price is high and all the bad press fanatec got. Lack of customer service, delivery problems…
It will be out of stock most of this year.
What I would like to know is: as-is, without FF, does the DD+ clip less than the DD Pro 8nm or is it still really just bad FFB but stronger? DD Pro is amazing in ACC and other sims, it seems like a game problem. Maybe FF makes it better but it seems like a bandaid at most.
theres no "as is". Clipping depends on FFB strenght vs gain.
@@randomcallsignI guess so but GT7 seems to clip badly no matter what settings. Even Fanatec agrees in their forums. Other games clip, but not nearly as bad.
It seems that the DD+ really isn't a worthy upgrade if you have a DD Pro 8nm - unless FullForce is really a magical bandaid. Will wait and see.
lower GT7 "FFB strenght". I reduced mine to 2 or something. it was the way around it.
@@randomcallsign thank you. It was a great review. I think I'll skip the new wheel if I do upgrade 🫡
i still want to see a person that is able to feel the differences of slew rates :)
try F3 on iracing with high ffb
or jigsaw kerbs in acc with high and low slew rates. you'll know immediately.
another 100% working test is if your girlfriend is annoyed (=high slew rate) or not. :)
it makes quite the difference in noise levels too when everything is shaking harder
As u might see i did nothing else than F3 all of 2023 on iracing :) So will see if i can get the chance to try a new DD again and just test that... with "quick" slew rates, even thoguh i can say that simucube and asetek bases dont feel better for me than fanatec dd2 with high power.
Remember its hard for humans to feel even diff between 5ms and 10ms - if not imopssible, @@SimracingPopometer
last but not least the asetek F1 profile made by real F1 driver has the base set on the slowest slew rate setting :)
@@NesterowiczRacing real drivers are a marketing tool in simracing, they are not a good source for settings. simracing ffb has to do more than irl "ffb", because we don't feel g forces.
I agree they are marketing tools. Just like slew rate is ... :) I tried all the wheelbases multiple times even at simexpo 2023 @@SimracingPopometer
@@SimracingPopometer exactly , just like SlewRate. Yet funny isn't it that? That their profile is with the slowest sleeve rate "last I checked". So it's like they contradict them selves in this case. Regardless my point is ... Yes technically it's a bonus. In simracing I argue no one can feel the difference between 3 and 9 slew rate. And that befor making those numbers a defining factor one should focus on car handling, track and race craft knowledge more. Than blaming a slightly slower slew rate ;). It's marketing and it works. I work with marketing myself ;)
Loved mine until it stopped working 2 days ago out of the blue. A lot people with the same problem. Don't buy it!! I don't live in Europe or US, so will be a nightmare to RMA this thing.
Any chance another QR2 Lite or the metal QR2 wouldnt unlock the 12nm on my regular clubsport DD? Buying the wheel from someone who wont be using it
it unloacks only with the DD extreme wheel. Everywhere wlese its 8.
@randomcallsign I mean I am buying this wheel, but will be using it on the 12nm clubsport. So are you meaning to say more than 8nm is only possible in the combination of this bundle?
yes. but you cant buy the wheel separetely. you need to buy the extreme bundle.
@randomcallsign like mentioned in my very first comment - buying it from someone who wont be needing it. Have a regular 12nm CS DD myself and kinda confused now if my QR2s and wheelbase will also give me the full 12nm
@@Tautulis7 that I wouldnt know
Sim racing is not exciting when you know your wheelbase does not have the potential to break your wrists.
Could you also add GBP to your videos, thanks.
@@JaymondoGB I don't know what the import costs on these are due to brexit.
Which gloves did u use?
Either sabelt or sim hound
What power supply does it use? The base looks identical to the csl dd
340w
The csl DD uses a 90W PSU and the boostkit is 180W. I wonder if they gonna do the samething with the club sport and make the ultra Extreme pro+++ version with a 420W psu
@@Tiltgloryno they wont.
What rim is this in 1:24?
Rim is from MOZA with the Podium Button Module Rally from Fanatec. This rim is offered by many tuning shops, ali and sim racing shops, price range is $50 to $130 (fake leather, real leather, suede, alcantara)
ahh ok, I'm looking for 300mm round wheel for CS hub but I can't find anything other than expensive sparco rims
Thank you! First youtuber to state the obvious, that this wheel looks awful 😅 I know looks are subjective but this really looks like a childs toy designed to be mounted to a pram to keep the kid occupied. It sort of made sense with the previous GT pack as it was a bit cheaper overall, but the CSDD+ is a pretty high end wheel base and would deserve a better looking wheel. The only pro of this is that it makes my Asetek round wheel look like an elegant master piece of engineering design...
Fanatec has two big problems, one is competition, there are far more other options available today that their USP’s have been drastically eroded, secondly I think the founder of the company became far too complacent, got too greedy (trying to expand too quickly without proper infrastructure in place) and is now arguably not the right person to take the company forward. In his recent interview I thought he came across as slightly arrogant.
Good news - Fanatec Shipping back to normal - received the last few orders delivered within 4 days
So why have people not got theirs stuff from Black Friday sale?
What you meant was, you got yours. Shipping is screwed for me and 2 other friends... Today marks 9 days of sitting in "have to Warehouse" . Website started 4 to 7 to ship. We ordered 16 days ago. 7 days processing and 9 in warehouse. 3 people. So no. Fanatec is still hit or miss. I recommend unless you just like risking stuff.... Looking elsewhere because after it's in warehouse it is hell to try and cancel........ It'll be weeks before resolved... Just to cancel for me.
I think getting the DD+ with the Porsche wheel and QR2 is a better deal than this
so they've released another wheel for RUclipsrs to piss off the paying customers some more?
Would it make any difference to you if it wasn't sent to youtubers and you only knew that existed because they announced it?
@@randomcallsign i'm not hating you mate, i'm hating them. they struggle to manufacture and supply the products they already have advertised for sale and have also already sold. This just proves it's not a logistical issue they are facing though.
The issue with this wheel wasn't even logistics. It was Sony licensing and Fanatec jumping the gun and never stating that it could be delayed.
Customers have recieved the cs dd plus prior to nda lifting. The extreme was released today.
@@randomcallsignthe issue here is they presold a ddplus, delayed it for over a month, mislead everyone on reason for delays, then immediately after starting to ship the ddplus, they release this bundle. You see, not all of us get our stuff for free from them. The people who preordered, now cant get the new wheel lol. See how crappy that is? Release a bundle never mentioned before and the preorder people literally get no benefit?
You just added color and intent from Fanatec to deceive, to what is essentially the same what I just said.
DD plus never had a supply issue. It was licensing that Sony didn't attribute and Fanatec thought it was going to be released December and never told customers it could be delayed. I know this because end of year December was the original time this video was supposed to be released.
No company is under obligation to disclose anything regarding new products. You don't know if the DD extreme information public release wasn't embargoed by sony.
TB reference ❤
ruclips.net/video/r7jhfJLkS7s/видео.htmlsi=uJdxZr3h38N_TDZk
Gran turismo's physics and variety of races are not good enough to justify the price in my opinion.
I think it looks nice. Finally Fanatec did something right 🤓
They hired A.I generator to design that wheel.
Just Kaz being Kaz
Instead of making new bundles they'd be better sending orders that people are waiting for several months already
both things can happen at the same time AND creating bundles takes almost a year
Ppl already receiving their orders.
@MrNice-zm9qk you mean won lottery ticket? I know people who ordered V2.5X after me, fanatec claimed they'll fill order on first come first server basis. They received their rims already, I'm still waiting. It's annoying, worrying and I'm afraid I might never see neither my rim nor my money. Yes, I know I could cancel but I want to get this rim quite badly.
Was the video released a bit too early? lol
No, Boosted Media released a similar review today and Ron Reviewt released another video even already yesterday.
Might be, this was the first video I saw. Was in the premiere of it an noticed it was unavailable/privated 30 minutes later. An hour later from the original premiere, boosted media released the video and others followed, like Rory and Steve, this video also came back up.
In a nutshell what I meant to say was, this video went up an hour earlier than others as far as I know.
@@MrNice-zm9qk
I mistaken cet with utc so I had to private the video when I noticed.
@@randomcallsign gotcha.
They delayed the dd+ almost 3 months because of the new upgrade wheels 😂
For this price, why would anyone buy the DD+?
only one of its class with PS5 support
@@randomcallsign You are correct, never used consol so didnt even think of that.
@@Xpl0jd1 Also, the FFB fidelity is supposed to be on par with high-end competition and the Fanatec eco-system can be a plus, if you like it or are in it already. Fanatec has a high compatibility rate with a large variety of games, too. And realistically 15nm of holding torque is more than most people will need.. Accurate FFB levels for a GT3 car, for example, are around 12nm. The higher torque outputs are only relevant if you want to use it for weird FFB challenges, a workout, or perhaps if you want to simulate old race cars.
Man, if only we would get GT on PC. That would be the greatest thing for many reasons. Especially the fact that Fanatec wouldn’t be able to pull this level of bullshit. Because even with the bullshit they have been pulling for months now, they are the only one in the space, and it will forever be out of stock while till way over priced.
Hi, recently vivid rumors say that GT7 is coming on pc along ghost of Tsushima and more.
In 2022 there’s was a leak from nvidia documents, GT7 on pc was on this list as horizon forbidden west PC which was announced at nvidia event at CES 24.
Fingers Crossed
@@Cactus.Scovillethis would be great, always had a lot of fun with GT
Yeah fingers crossed. There was also talk directly from PD saying that it wasn’t going to happen though regardless
Fanatec is wrong for not providing customer service. My wheel broke over 2 1/2 months ago they finally sent me a return shipping label a month ago and I haven’t heard from them since. So they have horrible customer service, and they kept my system that I paid for!!!!!!! I’m very disappointed in this company. So, they are taking customers hard earned money and keeping/defective product. I through this would be a great hobby. $3000.00 paper weight!!!!!!!!! Not to many companies make great wheels for PS5
I really wonder how their new FFB thing feels.
I’m still suspicious that it’s just some vibration BS like the Logitech TrueForce stuff, which a really good Wheelbase like Simucube 2 can do already.
I switched from podium DD2 to a Simucube 2 pro and the force Feedback of the Simucube is so much better!
You can finally feel the limits of your car while cornering!
The DD2 is good, but the SC2 Pro is just on another level and if you spend money like this always go for the Simucube!
trueforce is really not BS
@@randomcallsignAgreed. I have a Logi as you do. TF is unbelievable.
It's a safe bet he has never tried it. Trolls 😢
You have never tried Logitech trueforce obviously
@@randomcallsign Not taking into account future Truforce support, as you tested it, how does the DD+ compare to Simucube Sport in both strength and responsiveness (slew rate?)?
I never had a simucube for more than 15m. I cant know.
But I can infer. This wheelbase is comparable to forte, and better, imo, than the laprima. It would be comparable and possibly better than the sport.
When I mean better, the differences are small and you need to care about them. The usability part will depend on setups. There may be situations where simucube sport will be a better choice no questions asked. For example you want an open ecosystem.
Check reviews between the sport and asetek and from that a reasonable conclusion can be made.
Regardless, any wheelbase I've mentioned is too choice.
I have since moved on from trusting fanatec. They have lost me for life. Going pc only route, and Simagic and not looking back.
Fanatic just seems so untrustworthy. That’s my personal opinion. As if he really cared oboist users, he would have confronted everyone on his site waaaaay back in 2023, and not waited till he had RUclipsrs bringing him to the light…
At this price point the Logitech G Pro wheel looks more appealing for GT7 players.
Yup, especially since you can mix and match logitech pedals with it now.
@@Mr.RotalaAnd the Logitech wheel + pedals works out slightly cheaper.
With Logitech you get a better quality wheel + load cell pedals for less money.
@@Mr.RotalaAnd the Logitech G Pro wheel + Pro pedals actually works out cheaper than this.
For less money you get a better quality wheel and you get load cell pedals.
@@Mr.Rotalathe fanatec v2 are the best pedals you can buy especially at their pricepoint
@@Mr.Rotala The Logitech wheel + Pro pedals work out cheaper too. So you're getting a better quality wheel + load cell pedals for less money.
Why doesn’t anyone ever do the conversion for Canadian dollars to lmao
Because you can do it yourself for free lol
I ordered one. It came to $1882.00 after shipping abd tax. I'm in Alberta.
Because that’s how many ppl give a fuck about Canada. Duh!! 🤯😂
Im surprised that a lot of people like the looks of it...😮 For me its just hideous
“Its not ugly, its just JDM” 😂
LETS GO
so the 2 big issues dont include the fact it only work with their wheels?
nice start that dude :|
the podium hub exists
@@randomcallsign does it add the force feedback does it?
it does
@@randomcallsign so it makes it ok for them to disable it?
who else does that?
it would make it ok regardless if there was a podium hub or not. fanatec owns their ecossystem, and does not have a monopoly on simracing wheelbases. you dont have to buy their stuff. nobody does.
You mean fanascam?
Oh my God this is probably the ugliest wheel I've seen for sim racing
Clearly you don’t know anything about sim racing then lol . Their other GT pro wheel is way uglier so ..
I dont see any reason to get a fanatec setup?! I mean if you are on console, maybe... but there are workarounds. Im looking to upgrade my setup and i most likely will get Asetek. They have everyhting you need, with much better quality across all products. And it is cheaper also.. if you are not invested in fanatec and have a bunch of wheels allready... i dont see any reason for it. The best outcome: it works fine and you overpaid for lesser hardware, the worst: you have one of the million issues reported from many users and are stuck with the support for months. Lose/lose situation?!
EDIT.: And i am from Germany and would love to support a local company....
Why is every sim gear reviewer so... narrow-minded (want to avoid using a harsher word)? How can you compare a ps-compatible wheel to moza and asetek?
Do you not see the huge gran turismo logo on front? Do you really think someone who wants to buy this will consider a base that is not ps-compatible?
Let me get this straight. You called narrow minded to someone that in a review talks about possibilities of use of an equipment that is being reviewed, and compares it to the natural competition that the reviewer himself has tried?
Are you for real?
Is it narrow-minded to consider that a large portion of people that would buy this, will use it on PC and would see moza and asetek as possible alternatives? You are being narrow-minded by only considering the Playstation compatibility here.
Fanawho?
That wheel looks absolute crap.
which gloves do you use ?