Historical Accuracy in Assassin's Creed Odyssey?
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- Опубликовано: 13 дек 2018
- Time to (over-)analyze the arms and armor in the most recent Assassin's Creed, set in ancient Greece (431 BCE). This series has of course always taken liberties with history and spiced it up with alternative background stories and fantasy elements. But I think it's fair to say that it claims a certain degree of historical authenticity at least.
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"so apparently the spartans practice chinese wushu" 😂😂😂 that got me
Me too...
Well its the other way around
I lost it as soon as Skall compared probability of game features to existance of minotaurs.
My personal pet peeve: Why can't I use a shield???
ubisoft excuse was that you are not a trained spartan soldier, so you were not trained with a shield, its silly
@@jackoghost I mean... the protagonist is Spartan by birth... but she/he is just a lowly mercenary... not an actual spartan soldier.
@@zgmf-x19ainfinitejustice28 other mercs use shields so its a silly thing
@@jackoghost other mercs, but not all of them...
@@zgmf-x19ainfinitejustice28 melee weapons at that period were made to be used paired with a shield
“So apparently Spartans practiced Chinese Wushu.”
Exactly what I thought, hahahahahaha
More like Chinese Mythical Super Powered Kung Fu
They actually used the same move in Troy the movie
Well china and rome did interact in the past, so its not completely impossible.
@@johann296 this is greece in 400 bce. They rarely interacted let alone learned different martial arts. How do people not know this stuff. Its basic history
@@comradepolarbear6920 It seems you have a time machine. Take me there some time I wanna teach true history too
xd
Hey your background! That's a picture of the ruins at Selinunte, just near my hometown here in Sicily. I love that place I go there at least once or twice a month :) anyways good vid thanks I'm enjoying the game too
Hey i was born in sicily but i live in the us now
Metatron
you know that it has Greek origin right?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selinunte
@@hariszark7396 LOL did you just Wikipedia me about my favourite place on earth? I know every square metre of Selinunte, of course I know its history.
@Apollo Sun Indeed and thank you :)
@Some ugly guy Please come and visit! You won't regret it
Really hated that part where Leonidas just throws his shield away the second he breaks formation.... Really? It's their biggest strength and he just ''captain america's'' it out the field.
Because they decided not to have shields this game because people didn't like the shield in Origins, so they needed it out of the way for gameplay. Still dumb though.
Simple fix would be him being overwhelmed and the shield taken away. But I agree the shield had to go before the gameplay started.
No one told him he needed to farm 2 more skill points for it to bounce back. Noob mistake.
Leonidas,upon entering the battlefield : lmao do whatever you want,as long as it looks cool
Especially since the shield was an honor code, if they came back without it...it was clear they dropped it to run. Loosing that arm was an acceptable excuse.
I remember when people was angry because main character don't have shield. Then developers explained it's because he is not spartain but a mercenary and mercenaries don't have shields. But later in the game when you fight other mercenaries almost every mercenary has the shield. Facepalm. It's just bad excuse to make player without a shield because they can make fighting more cinematic and heroish...
@Holden Mcgroine of course they can be cheap, but that was the easiest way to keep yourself alive hahahaha
Yeah it's annoying that do don't even get the option, even if you could only block 2 consecutive hits before a being stunned and 3 for a small percentage of damage for gameplay for example
Bruh most spartans soldier dont have a shield or armore for that matter in the game
You do get a part of a spear from the fist civilisation that has magical powers
@@thebelgianlemon6815 yeah but it still sits on your back if you use a 2 handed weapon so why can't it do the same with a shield from time to time
Almost in every AC game the historical accuracy is focused in the envoirment and the historical characters you meat along the way, rarely is the combat or the clothing accurate.
Except when they censor stuff
"the historical characters you meat" is that a sexual joke based on the possibility in the game to f*ck anyone?
Except when they censor things, and change things to fit social agendas. For example, open homosexuality was frowned upon by most Greeks. It did exist, but rarely happened and mostly occured in the higher class of certain city states, such as Athens, with young boys accompanying their lord.
@@compatriot852 That's pedophilia. I know, I'm being captain obvious here. The whole tradition of Erestes was disgusting.
@@compatriot852 and believe or not there were heavy punishments to anyone found guilty being gay or pedo for example in Athens the penalty was either exile or death in Macedonia who was kinda the wild west of greece at the time there was no trial you just stopped breathing and speaking of Macedonia Alexander the great wasn't gay as a matter of fact he was polygamous(he had around 5 wives but only he truly loved Roxanne) and we have recorded incidents of him being quite pissed about the very implication of someone accusing him of being gay and come on people yes he was extremely close to his friends but they were just that friends
Leonidas single handedly lifted a Persian and snapped his neck.
JUST ONE ARM
Seems realistic to me.
@@haydeen6535 THEN You must be one of those 300's authors.
He's just build diffrent shm
That's historical FACT...I saw it happen
Definitely historically accurate
If I can't fight naked, it must be unrealistic!
Well, you could.. doesn't make it a good idea..
You're not wrong
Women can fight naked. They cause male soldiers to get boner and stop fighting. Thus they would win. It is 110% historicaly acurate.
@@frealms :D I wonder how could boner kill somebody. Maybe it would explode? :D If would make an interesting porn thats for sure.
@@hengistcz1940 i think they mean the disgust part, which means they are probably gay, and yeahh
My biggest gripe is the "conquest battles" where there is literally no formation, no ranks, and its all 1 on 1s across a whole field of battle. I laugh every time
Most greek women didn't show much of skin, but in Sparta women did.
Not only in Sparta but in Crete and Argos! Also it would depend on time of the year and the activity they were involved with.
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Spartan women were the only ones who partecipate at sports as sport was done naked in Ancient Greece and Spartans were the only ones that were allowed to be naked iirc
Theres also plenty of artemis in a short skirt in ancient pottery
6:41 “this is about as historically accurate as the movie 300…”
Oof
Hey, they got the formation right for a bit.
But it at least had the courtesy of looking good even if it was wildly inaccurate.
They also had quite weird kopis even though hoplites used mostly the xiphos
Only difference is that 300 is actually fun
The Green Room Hermit yes, but Odyssey was claiming to be historically accurate
Little nitpicking: greek statues were mostly bronze castings, it's Roman copies of greek originals that were made out of marble.
Also: I find most of the weapons to be too damn big
Exactly. A good example of this (at least one that most people know) is/was the colossus of Rhodes.
There´s even evidence the marble structures were painted back in the days but the paint just perished over the past 2000 years
Edit: just 1 second later Skaal shows that they implemented it :D
i know i'm late. but the wapons are made big so while playing the game you can see the details and that kind of stuff much better. because when you get a cool piece of gear you of course want to look at how cool and nice it looks. and that is much better possible when the wapons are big.
@@wesleydjodo8823 No... What kind of logic is that?
Game designer logic. When people complained about the overly large weapons in the Dragon Age games, the developers said that they were made bigger so that the player could see them better.
"At the Battle of Thermopylae, a small force of Greek warriors led by King Leonidas of Sparta resisted the much larger Persian forces, but were ultimately defeated."
...how am I supposed to learn history when they tell me the opposite?
didn't Darius/Artabanus kill Xerxes in the legacy of the hidden blade
@@kmarkusmus the real problem here is why Artabanus renamed himself to Darius?
Em Rhez I think he explains it in the game but haven't played it in a long time
@@kmarkusmus I know that he did it to hide his identity, what I was asking is, why Darius? Isn't that name belong to Xerxes' dad?
Em Rhez I think so? (aorry for late response) Ithink he did it to honor their friendship or something (I could be wrong which I believe I am)
get ready for "can you react to AC: Valhalla?!!" -_-
Yeah, the comments are already full with it...
In AC the historical accuracy is only for the locations
Not true. I actually compared many in game locations / buildings to real world evidences and it's "inspired by history" at best
@@Einherie exactly and why I personally think its dumb to judge historical fiction on accuracy. However this is kind of an exception because of that one load8ng screen tip.
remember when they took away altair's crossbow cus it was inaccurate?
and now we are fighting magical monsters
(thou ive platinated the game in ps4)
lmao thats was inaccurate? what about the fckn bed sheet hes wearing xD might aswell just sream IM GONNA KILL SOMEONE! while running down the street. from the first game to the last they were all inaccurate.
They said they removed the crossbow because when they play tested the game, the testers were using the crossbow and didnt engage in hand to hand combat as often as they'd like. So they switched it throwing knives.
Cuz the Apple of Eden is very much accurate indeed :)
Well they are not magical they are just alien tecnology actually ao basically is more sci fi
Martijn Polkerman the white sheets he’s wearing look like monk’s clothes ingame
AC went from throwing out crossbows out of the original game for being anachronistic to.. well, this
So you think the first AC was accurate? Wow
but the developers ditched the hand crossbow in the originbal teaser trainer for AC1 @@Gallion011 ecause they found that no such advice existed in the period. and mostly kept to weapons that actually existed in game
@@Gallion011 It was much more accurate than the current ones at the very least.
@@Gallion011 yes, i 100% am, because, as we all know, if only one thing in a game is accurate that makes the whole thing 100% accurate and authentic -.-
@@Gallion011 not accurate, but at least there were no cyclopses...
I'm surprised that I'm the only one that was concerned about Leonidas's double-ended spear, the way he joined the formation made me worry for the soldier behind him
The Dory (spear used by the Spartans and most Greek hoplites of the time) actually had a bronze point on the end known as a sauroter (lizard killer) that was often used to either plant the spear in the ground, as bronze does not corrode in the same way that iron does, or was used to dispatch fallen enemies as the phalanx walked over them.
Alex Moult He even displays the recreated museum pieces that have that design C G mentions.
The thing about Assassin’s Creed, the original game actually brought up how the textbooks and animus don’t match. So anything that doesn’t seem “historically accurate” is explained as the text books being wrong. Problem solved 🤣
Thank you!
It's because the Templars probably have a hold over how history was written, remember how in Black Flag they're constantly talking about changing things and cutting things out of Edward's memories like changing his accent?
Leonidas fighting like a Chinese wushu warrior was comically dumb.
Especially the one leg stand, looks suspiciously like a ballet dancer. Lol.
It kills the hell out of me
glad they gave him armor. but A spartan without a shield is like a river without water.
@@richhartnell6233 reminds me of that saying "come back with your shield, or on it."
If they did it to look cool it would at least be justified but that looked more silly than cool.
It's essentially ancient Greece seen through the eyes of Hollywood.
Troy is ancient greece seen through the eyes of Hollywood. Assassins creed is a whole different set of spectacles
No, hollywood wouldn't even give them armor, just look at that disgrace of a movie that is 300
@Revan Ruler. 300 was based on the comic by Frank Miller. Nothing about it was supposed to be realistic.
I do not see Steve Reeves as Hercules in here or Egyptians played by English and American actors so I got to disagree.
@@Citrakite I was referring to the anachronisms and how over the top the game is.
I see this game as being the best game-adaption of the Xena and Hercules TV shows. As a big fan of those shows, this game is awesome.
DarthKato I would play it without the assassins Creed aspect to it. It seems like a fun game.
@@insanexynn9956 Yeah, if they took the Assassin's Creed stuff out, it would be a far better game.
It's missing the chakram, then it'd be perfect
Needs more anachronisms and a musical episode DLC for that to be true. Otherwise, sure... much better than the games both those shows got.
@@NotABot55 Yup!
That's why AC 1 didn't mess with historical people or events, just kept the setting. I mean, some assassins creed a very acurate of the world, the nice of AC 2 was that Ezio acted parallel to the history. If the history knew how a real character died, Ezio didn't kill him, only the ones historians know little about could be killed by him. Also personalities werent changed. Leonardo Da Vinci was nerd genius, Alexander VI was corrupt, etc. In AC 1 the doc explain that it isn't exactly as we learn because history was distorched in the books of the time, which makes sense. I just think they lost the spirit of the game with so many sequels, wanting to be cool instead of accurate. Women fighting in Sparta? They had their role but not killing people.
Your speaking the truth here chief
Daniel take your pills.
I agree 100%
@@danielsantarosa101 Oh look ! We have a virgin here.
@@deusvult3103 Oh really? With a name like Deus Vult I assume it's you, right?
Chinese WuShu
Chinese Baces
Chinese sword
Is ubi trying to tell us something?
Next title confirmed: Romance of the Assassin's Creed. How Zhang Fei got drunk and assassinated half of feudal China.
AC: Odyssey
*Made in China*
Actually we already had katana and wakizashi in AC:Rogue. Double bullshit as:
1st It was quite unlikely for american Assassin b4 II WW to randomly get japanese swords
2nd Wakizashi, as I was said, wasn't to double-wield.
@TheSasGaming Yes and actually they weren't even too good at endgame. It's like I felt Pistol Swords (actually best ones in game) in BF bullshit so I was using Officer''s Rapier's (same stats). And Katana+Wakizashi can be completely whipped out from game by not taking them from Uplay rewards. They were just to make some fans (as some people are clearly Japan/samurai/ninja- fanboys, you can see it in internet in any random discussion about how katanas were superior to european swords) happy, but they were 1st sign how UbiSoft like Asia :)
But in fact AC:Rogue did it right. And double wielding is unrealistic, but at least wakizashi is short sword. Edward double welded 2 sabers. Still quite honest. In one polish non-fantasy book one of main characters one-handed fence with greatsword. It was quite straight said that no other guy there could properly use it any how using one hand. He could use it one-handed with full agility as he was half giant. The only existing as no word about other half/full-giants in serie.
Isaias Saravia Buendia /Made by Ubisoft Montreal
hoplites with axes..... :/
...hmmm id say axes wernt VERY common but they do exist, but id say theyr were much more popular to the north in thracia and scythia and to the east in the acheminid persians
as for double bitted axes, we have some mycenean examples that better resemble a splitting axe with two wedges.
That's historically accurate.
@@changlu9649 You sure about that? IIRC Hoplites were more or less exclusively spearmen (or pikemen at later time periods), that said ancient greek did have other forms of infantry besides hoplites as well cavarly though not in very great numbers. (at least before the time of Alexander the Great since the macedonians did employ cavarly as a core element in their version of the phalanx)
Hoplites had short swords and spears if I'm not mistaking.
@@Disconnect350 True but the sword was a side-arm, kind of how a modern soldier can carry a pistol or a combat knife but his main weapon is the rifle.
I could sit and play any "historically accurate" game much more easily with Skallagrim pointing out how realistic it is.
I'm sure most classical greek graduates would know much more on the accuracy
Sir, your overview was very humble but purposeful. A very good watch. Thank you for taking the time to put this together
Expecting Historical Accuracy out of Assassin's Creed is like expecting McDonalds to sell real hamburgers
And yet you still learn more history from Assassin's Creed than your high school history teacher.
@Jay Accusing someone of living in a poor community, and throwing insults into the mix isn't bettering your argument. It is just making you look like you don't know how to debate, thus making us want to discard your opinion. No, I'm not siding with him, I'm just pointing out the fact that you are disregarding the simple rule of treating your fellow man with respect, even if they have a difference of opinion.
Charles the Rash Somehow I think you must have failed your history classes...
Assassin's Creed do NOT feature real history. What Assassin's Creed can do however is awake an appetite for history in younger generations so that they go and read up on it outside of the game. It is downright dangerous that some people think that what you see in these games is accurate history.
Wushu is cancer in terms of historical accuracy. Every weapon based choregraphist studied wushu to "know how to create a fight". It's in every movie, series or game with a spear, or other weapon, and I'm sick and tiered of it. Thier is historical manuel on how to use Chinese weapons and they sure are different. The funniest thing is that Kung fu is inexistant in modern China, it's very hard to find a "real teacher". Chinese as started a movement to push more accuracy in their martial history, and we should do the same, by kicking out those wushu choregraphists!
That you can't use a shield makes me mad
Agree. I was used of the AC-Origin shield. Much better to fight archers.
There's a full comunity on the Ubisoft Assassin's Creed forums trying to make sense about using shields, however the thread is pushed down by people that spam against it on the universe and find the worst excuses to explain it.
That said December's monthly update said they added a very requested feature, that was.... Mastery levels.
I follow the official forums on the last 2 months and nothing was requested on that lines. the two most requested things are about level scalling (to turn it off or give an option to turn it on or off before starting the game) and shields.
@@humanish1 lol but we need to remember that we talk about Ubisoft
It ruined origins combat
The shield was literally the most important thing about greeks. They had laws where if you lose it, you could face severe sanctions. Everything battle related was focused on shields and spears otherwise their armies wouldn't work at all.
Thanks for the chill pill. I was kinda triggered at the start but calmed down real quick :)
Why get triggered at first
Wonder if they going to do assassins creed vikings
That would be awesome. Somewhere in Asia would be cool too.
I hope not, at least not until after Rome. I heard they are doing an ancient trilogy with Rome being the final, but if they do medieval trilogy I think it would be Vikings, that one Medieval French Assassin from the beginning of Unity, and a RPG remake of Altair. And for Asia it would be cool if they also did a Renaissance trilogy of course with a remake of Ezio, a conquistador would be cool, and then maybe the Chinese girl that Ezio trained or someone from her brotherhood
actually it that’s probably what will happen next, look it up
@@parkertinsley7329 a month ago the same was being said on Rome, plus it makes more sense if they go to Rome based on the Story and on recent games such as g.o.w and for honer they are less likely to go to Scandinvia than Rome
It’s in Viking time in 2020
Hey Skall. I know the games pretty old but could you do a review of the historical accuracy of ryse son of Rome? Love to hear your opinion.
second that and will have to make a new series called "skall skourns" for that exact game
The shields are too small and romans mostly thrust not slash and their armor does nothing against barbarians wearing only leather.
@@idkkk2635 Oh you forgot how Boudica, who died AFTER fighting the Romans, is killed in the last part of the game
Least it... looked... fun?
@@idkkk2635 at least they fight in formations and throw the pilum,
Just one small correction: Origins was no Ancient Egypt, it was Ptolemaic Egypt right during its assimilation by the Roman Empire, so "the magic had faded" hahaha
Well, still seems pretty ancient considering how much older it is compared to modern Egypt :P
@@giorgiannicartamancini3917 yeah, but Ancient Egypt is a specific time period, it relates to the first dynasties of Egypt, we are talking the period in which the Pyramids were built, the most powerful pharaohs, the boom of the Fertile Crescent and all that, roughly up until 2000-1000 B.C. depending on which source you go to.
Assassin's Creed Origins takes place millenia after that, in the first century B.C. At that time, for you to have an idea of time period, the Pyramids were older to Cleopatra than Cleopatra is to us.
@@matheusmterra Then I've misinterpreted you because I would have called that period the old kingdom, I didn't know it could be just called ancient :D
@@giorgiannicartamancini3917 it's all cool. At least in the bibliography I've seen, the Old Kingdom is sometimes called Ancient Egypt. Although the Old Kingdom is a very narrow window of about 500 years in the Ancient Egypt, while the label of Ancient refers to way back in 4000 B.C. up until 1500 B.C., sometimes even further (some historians put the end around 1000 B.C., others set the end at the 4th Century B.C., because of Alexander).
But what is known without a doubt is that the age of the Ptolemaics is not considered to be Ancient Egypt anymore.
@@matheusmterra Yeah, it could have been due to language barrier, can't say I didn't learn something
I really love your channel. The time and effort you put in each of your video is plain to see.
You give balanced, factual, and easy to understand commentary the both is educational and entertaining.
As a history major I really enjoy watching your videos and learning new things and getting entertaining refreshers.
Great job. All the best to you.
Technically speaking, you arent controlling leonidas, kassandra or alexios, you are controlling the person using the animus, they are technically doing the fighting choreography
I didn't know Wushu actually originated in Greece!
How bou dat?
As a Greek, and someone who has spent time there, seen museums and artifacts, I'm happy with the game. I get lost in this game. Seeing my home and where my family is from being represented in a mostly accurate way makes me happy with the amount of effort that went into this game. Even the shitty accents are enjoyable because it sounds like how Greek people make fun of their own accents. There's a very Greek sense of humour in all of the changes made for accuracy or not. The dramatized fighting styles are even enjoyable because Greek heroes were said to fight in ways no one else had. It's designed to go along with that "theatrical" style of fighting to make everything more epic, as if it's the version told in a retelling of the story or a mythology. Even the overpower move you do with the sword and the spear weapons specifically are reminiscent of how fluid Achilles moved in the movie Troy. I feel it's a nice nod that definitely isn't realistic, but fits what is a retelling of a Greek epic inside what is essentially a VR gaming machine.
You live in Hellas? You live in heaven on earth!
@@theburningman5047 I wish I could live there full time. Last time I went was almost 10 years ago
Hmm sorry to hear that. I'd miss the snow white rocks and the sea in a heartbeat.
@@theburningman5047 oh believe me it's a struggle. All the family there is just getting older and needs taking care and going back for vacation isn't really a vacation anymore
JESUS FUCK ! here is a guy who actually gets it !! KUDOS my friend !
“I know it’s a little big. Hard to swallow.”
-Skallagrim
this was interesting, you remind me of a friend I had in highschool, we use to go to his apartment and listen to Burzum, Abazagorath, Carpathian forest, etc and talk about swords and weapons. I get that same vibe from these vids, just relaxing to me
Leonidas animations are straight up Nobushi from For Honor.
Well ... copy and paste is the fastest way of producing content... just look at BF lol
More like Shaolin, and this game has a LOT in common with For Honor
Glad that somebody else knows this... or maybe you don't? Repositories repositories repositories.
Shaolin Monk and just repositories repositories and repositories abuse. This is what bad companies do.
A cheap way to promote For Honor Marching Fire.
@@MrFallenone speaking of that, For Honor is doing a Crossover Event with Assassin's Creed.
ruclips.net/video/vdaXcQQWXvs/видео.html
@@courtlandmitchell1861 Animation wise maybe but everything else no
It's just a game!
Skallagrim: It's just a youtube video :)
It's just a comment!!
Not really more than a mobile game.
@@DNH17 You high or something? Either you never played a mobile game or you've never played an Assassin's Creed game.
I have a friend that I got into argument with because of Assassins Creed. Mind you this was first game. He so convinced that it was historically accurate. Particularly with its portrayal of the Templars. It was bad. And now he worships Thor.
Years after our argument I got play AC. And I couldn't hack it. It butchered history at every turn so much. That I never finished playing it.
@Joe Kerr I pity you, for I have dealt with similar 'friends'.
"Its just a game" crowd just got roasted
Great video and well put together. The only thing I wanted to put out is your comment around the 8:30 mark about the 'historical accuracy' hint. They are talking about the map specific feature where you hover over unlocked locations and read a short but true historical fact. Which is kind of a nod to the fact they have taken quite a few liberties but thrown in some real facts.
yea, assasin creed series are realy good at remaking historical landmarks and cities with great accuracy, being able to navigate florence by knowledge of it from assasin creed 2 is totaly possible
Historical fantasy... Like BFV.
Lel
*Skall, you seem **_really_** enthused and astonished in the thumbnail*
Oh, man! I almost spit out my drink when you showed the "chill pill" that was so good
@Skallagrim ....BIG QUESTION, at 11:18 is that a casted iron handle on the sword in the upper top left hand corner? It appears to have rust?
I know it's just a game, but really annoyes me that Leonidas threw the shield...that's not smart, but I understand that because you can't play with a shield like in assassin's Creed origins.
Yeah, the Captain Spartamerica moment was absolute ridiculousness.
he would be in big trouble without his shield. He could even be executed! The shield was a massive part of spartan warrior society. Although I do appreciate him being depicted as an older man (around 60 at the time)
@@richhartnell6233 not to mention lifting a whole man up with one arm and snapping the neck, but yes the hoplon shields men't everything in Sparta back then.
black powder enthusiast the spear and his high concentration of isu dna gives him abnormal strength, you’d know if you played the game.
Why not? Did Leonidas practice assassin's skill combat?
Looking for historical accuracy in films and games these days is like looking for honest politicians...
we got Total War saga
@@eyepet2010 Yep, there are a couple, but few and far between.
👍
Better watch Outlaw King. Not perfect, but it is a breath of fresh air, compared to the likes of Kingdom of Heaven, or Robin Hood (2010). And the 50's Ivanhoe is surprisingly accurate (by comparison). It even uses real maille, unheard of for a movie made back then. And the swords are accurately carried vertically, and don't use the complicated interlaced belt that is popular today.
Sadly, what a lot of more hardcore gamers want is realism. At least to some degree.
Wow thanks for the indepth history discussion, I'm love learning about history and you breaking down assassins creed is actually really awesome. I'll definitely subscribe
May I please ask for the name of the music that started at [0:30] ?
Thank you
i think this game should haven set in the Trojan war the mythological and fantasy stuff would have fit way better
AlfzMyle Man the Peloponnesian War was cool as fuck
Most of the iconic Greek architecture weapons and armour come much later though so if they had gun for accuracy there it wouldn't really have looked like what people think of as ancient Greece.
I feel like it's only fantasy in the sense of Clarke's third law (any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic), the stuff your protagonist and deimos can do, as well as the mythological creatures, are all clearly results of Isu technology. It's (admittedly not very hard) sci-fi, which is what AC has kinda always been, with the possible exception of the weirder bits of Origins.
A bunch more stuff happens in the Peloponnesian War.
Stop giving Ubisoft ideas to ruin.
The problem with the "its just a game/movie" crowed is that there are people out there who think that the fiction in games and movies are true. Thats how we end up with flat earthers and climate deniers.
Those flat earthers mustve only played super Mario 64 and not super Mario odyssey.
I had a classmate in my 7th grade history class that thought AC2 was historical fact...
And the proplem with this counter argument is that you are judging something by its most stupid interpretation. If someone don't realize a fantasy setting is "fantanstical" and not realistic and thruthful the problem lie with them not with the work.
If everything is watered down to be fully realistic and truthful all imaginiation dies and with it innovation and progress.
The "It's just a game/movie" argument is perhaps better expressed as "It's just an imaginative story" and that is a perfectly valid argument because imaginative stories are central to our existence and understanding of ourselves.
Idiots will always be idiots anyway and trying to gimp shit down for them is pointless and actually just destrucitve.
They get people interested, I looked up ragnarok and Tartarus because games kept mentioning them, wouldn't have done so otherwise
Hel Dk yeah but it's just a game man
To be fair to the Leonidas scene, it was supposed to be the very end of the battle where he was among the last ones left, after the army had broken.
7:27 I personally don’t really mind the portrayal of the battle of Thermopylae since the first historian that recorded this event, Herodotus actually over exaggerated some part using the whole story as a propaganda for Greece to unite against Persia. You could see many examples such as the Persians were enslavers even though Sparta on average had seven helots/slaves for one Spartan.
I'm gonna say it.......
" Meet the Spartans " was way more historically accurate than this game....
Especially the Spartan glorious marching dance.
@@augustoluis6888 Exactly!
"Open mouth kisses for the men!"
"Adjust your sword it's digging into my back"
Hehehe hard to swallow...
Oh wait that wasn't an innuendo!
Kudos, most are spot on. I'd just like to add offer some extra information. Vambraces (perivrachionia) were not ahistorical; they actually had them. Along with early pauldrons (pericheirida), thigh (perimerides), ankle and toe protection (perisphyra - more like riveted bronze instep guards) especially in Athens. They were however abandoned in later "renditions" of the phalanx formations because they were not as important as one might think within a phalanx formation, and thus added weight (and heat) which were not all that necessary after all. I think the latest full panoply find dates to mid 600BC (so 2 centuries prior to the events of the game). What was necessary was the 1.1m in diameter round shield called "hoplon" (hence: hoplites). This is because one on one combat was no longer a thing (as was the case in the Mycenaean era a thousand years before the Peloponnesean War). In tight phalanx formation the hoplon, a set of greaves, a helmet and lastly a thorax (breastplate) was all that was needed.
Regarding the "Sparta kick", it is actually very historical. It's called gastrizein and was an essential part of "Pankrateion" martial arts. Gastrizein was meant to either incapacitate unarmoured opponents (as it hit the solar plexus), stagger armoured ones due to force and shock value, or break non-reinforced shields. Pankrateion combined kick boxing and wrestling and had only 3 rules: no eye gouging, no biting, no ball busting (literally!).
Lastly being not all places were as "puritan" as Athens was. Athenian women for example were shocked at how much skin Spartan women showed and engaged in trash talk about them. As they would often go about in (shocker) what we'd call "skater" skirts and "stethodesmoi" (bras). But these were not exclusive to Sparta. Cretan women clothing was on a completely different level, as they went bare breasted. An echo of this survived even in the "modern" late 19th/early 20th century as the traditional Cretan female attire is a skirt, a shirt and a vest surrounding but not covering the breast area.
Gotta say mate love your videos, they always bring some amusement, a bit of a laugh and I learn something.
I also love historical fantasy, it is honestly one of my favorite genres and I get even more amusement when guys like yourself put videos like this up. Both from the content you make and the reaction people have in the comments section, positive and negative.
'Accuracy' aside and from merely a taste and immersion perspective, things like the oversized blunt weapons and magic flaming swords really irritate me with this game. It's like they couldn't decide on a tone for the setting - grounded(ish) historically inspired or full on bombastic fantasy silliness. I'm sure it's still fun though
JoeDP25 I really want a full on insane fantasy Assassins Creed.
See I prefer the 'realism' route, but each to their own. It's not like Ubi is listening to us anyway
@@firstnamett4656 Saying that real looks better than fantasy is not fact, it's opinion. Not that I'm saying you're wrong in believing that real weapons and armor can and are often better looking than fantasy but that's hardly a fact. It's on the same lines as saying you think that the 2019 Camry looks better than the 2019 Accord, it's your opinion and there's no way that you can factualize it.
The same shit happened to For Honor
All the legendary weapons look like they came straight from a LARP event, and one of the new heroes added with the marching fire expansion can fucking teleport around
It's full-on fantasy really. It's version of ancient Greek as described in....well Odyssey for example, where all sorts of myths of the time are actually real.
Which is the reason why I don't really mind it's not historicaly accurate. It's not trying to in the first place. Same as original Odyssey poem it's just a story based in Greek. Not quite a real Greek thou.
I always liked Assassin's Creed. Although I admit the first one I played was 4. I know there was a much more cohesive story from 1-3, and maybe I will play the original story one day just to see how it all got started.
I actually picked up "Black Flag" because I was looking for a pirate game, and anyone who is a fan of the "Golden Age of Piracy" will know, good pirate games are hard to find, especially if you are looking for modern graphics.
But I was really blown away by the way they perfectly managed to blend beautiful world exploration, historical realism as well as fun action adventure gameplay.
It was kind of all of these, without being any of them. The AC series seems to always deliver a solid gaming experience. Ubisoft really found a system that works and they seem to be sticking to it.
I loved but hated Black Flag. Only reason I hated it....it was an AC game. They could of cut all the AC story out of it and added more things to do in the world, or more upgrades...it would of been perfect. I only beat the story to say I beat it, otherwise I avoid the story and just sail around singing shanties having fun...being a pirate.
@@AARon-kv6uy haha I agree. They accidentally made the best pirate game to come out since Akella games stopped making them ^.^
Good news though! Ubisoft is making a dedicated pirate game! They said it's an independent, new IP, but it is heavily inspired by Black Flag's gameplay!
The only real downside is that they aren't sure yet if it will be Single player or a multiplayer PVP game. You can sign up for the beta in Uplay! It's called Skull and Bones.
I wish I started playing them bacjwards as well. I can't enjoy anything beyond AC 3 because of how good Ezio's story arc is, and how good that experience was. When I pick the new games they are just uninteresting to me, they feel empty, even if they are beautiful in design.
Actually 1-3 isn't too good term as there were 5 games b4 AC IV or more. Altair's one (first) Ezio's Trilogy, AC III. Plus Aveline's one and AC:Rogue but I'm not really sue if it wasn't after Iv. By in-game timeline Rogue is b4 III and Avaline's one is after III.
Anyway it;s really worthy to check Ezio's Trilogy.
Ubisoft "We pride ourselves on historical accuracy" *Spartans break formation and start Wushuing around the battlefield with horrible animations" Yep, i'm done.
What video did you used to show us weapons?
Well, I study it for over 20 years, with Hellas and Roma being my greatest loves. And yes, there are many things which some political aspects got too far. But this is a fantasy game. Also, as a game you have to change things to sell. It's a product. I'd kill for having a shield, but that is what I got. The war becoming that chaotic brawl is horrible, but I doubt that the game engine would manage the formations with the character (who moves freely) the whole game to be part of it. And if we go full purists, there won't even have women at the Agora. There are things I really avoid, I use underrated in favor of the best ones because some are really close to the real ones. But hey, there is a good thing for history lovers here. Who among you started studying history for history? I'm sure that are few. Many of us started by getting interested on some game or fantasy. This game has the potential to get many young people interested on history. And that is what counts for me in the end. Of course, that's only my opinion.
I think the way they designed cities is accurate and, at least, absolutely gorgeous. I'm in love with this game and don't care that much about it being historically perfect, even though I also enjoy the true history of ancient Greece. I don't get why historical inaccuracies would be a turn-off for players, especially since most of them don't know shit about this context.
Open wide, here comes the train!
Speaking of women at agoras. Imagine my surprise when half of quests during Olympic games were about female athletes
well i grew up with tales and myths of many cultures. greek was one of them i loved it and now that im older i get more and more interested in the more serious and real stuff but still love the myths alot. this game is like my child dream come true haha the most i love from the game might be just the way greece looks ( the nature and the buildings)
I agree that’s what matters. They get into history with the game, and then they learn the actual history via books, videos, the internet... and better games 😂.
In a scale of 1 to 10 in attempted historical accuracy. This was a 1.
That being said, who cares. It's obviously not trying.
Except that the game literally tells you in the loading screens about it's historical accuracy.
It doesn't help when the loading screen just puts texts together to sound convincing.
@@crusaderofthelowlands3750 they're talking about the environment not the gameplay and story
@@Legion849 same to you, it's about the environment
Skallagrim I have a question. How often was the broken spear was use through out in history and was mostly use as a last resort?
Are there any weapons like Leonidas broken half spear?
One of those clubs was the heavy club from far cry primal
As a greek I can say: there isnt much accuracy
Specially the fact that you can't use any shields in ANCIENT GREECE.
@@CRBASF2 I'm glad that shit wasn't in there. That made Origins combat boring as hell
@@JakenTheGreat Yeah its so boring to have a shield when you play as a Spartan like come on... like in what world have Spartans used shields right ?
I'm soooooo glaaaad that whoever in ubisoft decided that having a shield isn't even choice.... game of the year hands down.
As a greek all you can add to this is the locations which they did a great job with. Unless you are a weapons historian you're just like anyone else. But of course the fighting and weapons are inaccurate. A phalanx vs phalanx battle would be kinda boring. It is annoying to see the conquest battle mish mosh fights though
They should've done better with the historical accuracy of the weapons. They have a "Spatha" in the game (which is way out of period anyways) that isn't even a Spatha and is more akin to the Gladius and it was really disappointing.
Haha bruv! That chill pill maneuver is epic. Well played.
You are legit the most chill and factual person on you tube
mashup of both historically accurate,anachronistic-inaccurate and total fantasy to be good for all kinds of players is the best anwser i guess.
In my country we say "If something is good for everything it's good for nothing".
Not really. By throwing out what made the OG games what they were, they seperate the player base into semi overlaping camps. Modern is imprtant vs modern is shit. RPG is life vs OG combat worked for it's purpose. Stealth was cool vs "YoU cOUlnt CroUch BefoRE" etc etc. By trying to diversify, they're ruining they are turning away their original player base.
I really liked they put a lot of historical figures in the game. Of course most were not entirely accurate, and that is also impossible because it's hard to know from ancient sources how someone as a person was. But still, they did well in thst regard. There was this guy, Alkibiades, who irl was very popular in Athens. He planned an invasion in Sicily which was an ally of Sparta. However, in the celebration before the invasion Alkibiades became very drunk and hacked the penises of the statues of the Gods in Athens. He fled the city before he could be killed for blasphemy, and he fled to the rival of Athens, Sparta. There he was accepted as refugee because he was willing to give information on Athens military and defences. However, then Alkibiades was caught with the wife of one of the king's of Sparta (what a mad lad!) And so he fled again, to, you may have guessed it: Persia. He was accepted in Persia as a adviser to the Governor of Turkey (can't remember how the province was called then) and he gave them information on how to defeat the Greeks. Then he was asked to return to Athens to defeat an oligarchic rebellion and reinstate democracy, and so in the end he returned to Athens again. Anyway, in the game he was shown as a drunk who just does whatever suits him best, and I think that's a portarayel that at least partly fits his real backstory
Bit spoilery, but if you follow his side stories he turns out to be a surprisingly savvy politician who has been manipulating you throughout the various seemingly stupid quests he's sent you on. I ended up going from thinking he was a fop to being mildly impressed with him lol
How did they get the khopesh right in this game but not in the one set in Egypt?
Having is come back to this video and also still playing AC Odyssey - the Discovery Tours are AMAZING! They completely cut the mythology and do a full educational tour of Ancient Greek culture, life, warfare etc. The discovery tours are really really well done and I highly recommend you give them a look. They’re both incredibly accurate and educational which to me, is a truly great addition to a video game
*historically accurate slaying of a gorgon*
Woah, I got the notification right on time today! Noice!
Thank you for all the beautiful information you gave. I subbed.
Could someone smart explain me, what if spartans' enemies won't charge them, but hold their position like spartans do? Because spartans' tactic is based on the Falange, so they are not able to attack, aren't they? Did spartans have some offensive tactics for situation like this?
Nothing about Leonidas One-handed Hoplon throw in the opening cutscene?
Battlefield 5 took a real life mission from ww2 changed the gender and lowered the amount of people. It was like if they took 300 and had queen Leonidas and changed it to 50 thats a legitimate thing to perk an eyebrow and say wtf is this crap.
She, a civilian girl, replaced all those soldiers. Such a crap maneuver to pander to a gender. My wife was a lot more angry at it than I was.
300 were never 300 actually atleast 5000 spartan
@@shayannn6385 300 Spartan Bodyguard and 7000 other Hoplites from other Greek City States.
Wow, this is like the 5th comment saying the same shit. Get over it, dude.
@@Vityvikt0r i am just didn't buy the game but it needs to be shit on EA is worse company and they deserve it.
Wherever you got that gameplay, please tell me how to make it that HD holy crap my eyegasms
“Ancient History Magazine” actually wrote an article about this very topic. They mainly covered what you mention in the beginning, going over the setting and comparing the architecture and even rather minor things like pottery to actual historical remnants. However, it does also mention the shortcoming in accuracy, especially through changing of dates and characters and female fighters. They’re a good historical magazine that I personally enjoy and are definitely worth checking out.
SPARTANS!!! what is your profesion?
GAME MAKER!!! GAME MAKER!!!
Right, back to the keybords with you...
The spartans were very competitive and often had 1 v 1 unarmed fights. One of the moves that they used fairly regularly was the spartan kick. It wasnt just something made up in 300
Friendly spartan vs spartan fights dumbass
lol try it fighting against anyone and you will see how you end :) it has terrible reach lol the other guy just needs to jump back or sidestep as soon as you start moving. Then hit you once you get all out of balance. Its really a terrible move. There is a reason why you do not see any such move on martial arts. Pretty sure spartans were able to figure that out too lool
Rui Silva bro you could make the exact same argument for an uppercut or a right hook. “oh he is moving his arm so i should move” like no shit. your legs are much stronger than your arms but they pretty much control your balance, that makes it a high risk high reward move. it would be devastating to your opponent but would leave you open to a counter attack. you also have to remember that real fighting isnt like what you see in marvel movies. the spartans would be doing grappling not kung fu
@@Ruimas28 Are you talking about the 'kick'? Because that's literally something you see all the damn time in MMA and martial arts. And just look at the ancient greek vases depicting pankration, you'd see figures literally kicking exactly like that.
@@TheNEOverse There are also minotaurs in vases and I doubt anyone believes those were real. You also see in vases people jumping over bulls and I would dare you to try that in real life :) As for the kick, too bad you do not live nearby or we could make a video together and I would have some fun with you :) I tell you….if you do not know how to evade or use that kick against your enemy, you know nothing Jon Snow :) By the way, what you see in martial arts, almost all kicks have some hip rotation because that´s how you get your most powerful muscles into it. If you try to stand still facing your enemy and just kick forward, simple anatomy limits what muscles you use for that and how. Its just not very effective. Also….it will live you very out of balance….I can even grab your foot and make you tumble into the ground lol Leverage my friend!!!! It works wonders.
Thanks for all your videos, I enjoy a lot of them. If you get a chance to play the VR game Tales of Glory, I think some one like you would have a blast in there. I typed the same thing to Scholagladitoria. I subbed to both your channels, and others because of ToG. Looking for realistic weapon info and how to fight medieval style.
The chill pill at the start made me subscribe
the first AC game was pretty legit in my opinion in terms of looks :P During the crusade age was awesomely cool .
no it was not. the guy was wearing a super obvious costume. just like ezio. in real life an assassin wouldnt want to be noticed. wouldnt fight big groups.
@@MartijnTenebris Get a life
@@MartijnTenebris Over a year late so this probably doesn't matter, but his costume was designed to resemble some of the priests you meet in-game. Obviously not a complete fit, but close enough that casual observation in a time-period where there was no machinery for mass-production (meaning no two pieces of clothing would be 100% the same unless made by a master tailor, which regular priests couldn't afford) and with dozens of religious orders each with their own dress code, the differences might well be overlooked, allowing a 'man of the cloth' to infiltrate pretty much anywhere without suspicion far more easily than a common peasent or a guard that seperated from his patrol.
But yeah Ezio's clothing makes no sense.
@@Neion8 iknow but if i were a guard i wouldve seen him. priests dont have armour nor weapons. and hes armed to the teeth.
@@MartijnTenebris Tbf, other than the bracers, most of Altair's armour isn't completely obvious (at least not as much as later interations) although you do have a point about the weapons, though some of them (not the throwing knives) are a little more excusable due to the time period it was; with the holy wars going on, it was probably more common than we think for some priests to carry some sort of weapon for self defence; especially when the pope had entire orders of warriors ordained to fight against other religions, so it's not unlikely violence against 'heretics' would be overlooked.
How can you have a game set in ancient Greece and not allow the player to use an oplon?
Love you doing this kind of stuff man.
"If you think about it, if a game were 100% historically accurate, it wouldn't be a game"
*Oregon Trail has entered the chat*
Assassin's Creed: Oddity.
I really hope Ubisoft just casually and unceremoniously release this as DLC or something on April Fool's Day, one of these years. My weapon of choice would naturally be the pole with a rubber chicken at the end.
10:26 Also looks kind of like a Dwemer sword from Skyrim
That's the kind of RUclips Channel that this platform realy needs. Knowledge mixed with nerdiness and a focus on reflecting modern things in comparison to history to make history interesting to people who are too lazy to do research in order to awake the interest in history to modern lazy people.
Hey Skall! Could you please make a video on the For Honor weapon customization? Try to look at the Cent blades.
I think it would honestly be BETTER if they had striven for more accuracy
They should have made the battle at the Thermopylae like the one in 300! Gerard Butler as Leonidas, that's just awesome 😮
There is such a great range of small historical references in this game, particularly from the Peloponnesian war...
My favourite was the side mission on the Mytilenean revolt; when the Mytileneans revolted Athens quenched the uprising; afterwards they voted to put every man to death for punishment. But then the assembly changed its view, and another ship was sent to catch up with the first one and stop the original plan from being carried out. There are many like these.
Most locations are historical. Also each of the cultures of Greece and the Aegean retain their peculiar visual style; so you are exposed to particular features of characteristic Cycladic, Minoan, Mycenean or later archaic and classical structures.
You also unteract with many famous historical persons, sometimes the dialogue is based on the actual literature. Which is a nice touch.
The biggest inaccuracy is the ancient aliens story as well as the fact that they don't fight in formation and have exploding fighting moves.
I do wish they made the map itself more realistic (not in terms of scale, but shape).
Will u do a video about valhalla as well??