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The Weapon Triangle in Fire Emblem - Realistic?

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  • Опубликовано: 16 июл 2018
  • Since lots and lots of people have requested a video about Fire Emblem, here it finally is. :)
    An in-depth discussion of how plausible it would be in real life that sword beats axe, lance beats sword, and axe beats lance. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each, and is there some logic here aside from gameplay balance? And how does the individual user's skill, experience, and fitness factor in?
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Комментарии • 3,1 тыс.

  • @NumPad
    @NumPad 5 лет назад +2351

    The logic behind the weapon triangle is:
    A sword outmaneuvers an axe.
    A spear outranges a sword.
    An axe can break the haft of a spear.
    That's literally all the reasoning.

    • @Felisargyle
      @Felisargyle 5 лет назад +196

      That’s how I think of it when I play.

    • @IffyJottere
      @IffyJottere 5 лет назад +350

      And I think that's pretty close to the conclusion Skallagrim came to: the swordsman has more agility and options than most axe users (assuming, as he did, the axe isn't a massive two-hander), and the lance or spear far outranges the sword, and the axe redirects and ties the lance. Also there will always be exceptions in th etype of weapon and the skill level of the users. FE isn't a perfect 1:1 translation of these principles, but close enough for a game.

    • @janusturkko4399
      @janusturkko4399 5 лет назад +4

      Axe outmaneuvera an sword

    • @f45411
      @f45411 5 лет назад +79

      @@janusturkko4399 actually if you watched the video he explains why that isn't the case except when upclose and which point you're a pretty shity sword user for letting a OH axe user get up close to you in the first place
      Where as the same OH axe can actually hook the lance tip and grab the center, push down and then get up close (again, this was shown in the video, very interesting to see in motion)

    • @ThisJordo
      @ThisJordo 5 лет назад +12

      That's literally how I've always imagined how it works. That's awesome haha

  • @heinzke8512
    @heinzke8512 5 лет назад +881

    If we call a spoon/fork a spork
    Then we should call a “halberd” a spax

  • @Itzak15
    @Itzak15 6 лет назад +2175

    The axe clearly has the range advantage against the spear. Depending on how far you can throw ofcourse

    • @aneesh2115
      @aneesh2115 6 лет назад +167

      Try to throw a spear. It will destroy a axe throw.ar maybe make a bow for spears

    • @maguspie9543
      @maguspie9543 6 лет назад +171

      @@aneesh2115 A balista?

    • @andrewpenn1145
      @andrewpenn1145 6 лет назад +33

      Isn't the ballistician a class in Fates: Conquest?

    • @XorinD
      @XorinD 6 лет назад +12

      Ballistician is a DLC class that you can get in all the stories (Sorry for the late answer, your question was left unanswered)

    • @PeachDragon_
      @PeachDragon_ 6 лет назад +24

      @@aneesh2115 dude some spears are not balanced for throwing :p

  • @pasdan4985
    @pasdan4985 6 лет назад +493

    The games also agree with the “skill matters more than weapon” since in fire emblem the triangle impacts hit rate, but its significantly less important than the skill stat and luck stat for hit rates, crit rates, etc.

    • @portalguy2246
      @portalguy2246 5 лет назад +3

      Pasdan 123 unless you use swords, then chances are you aren’t that good

    • @primecheese1199
      @primecheese1199 5 лет назад +16

      Unless you use the silver blade you cant hit for shit with it

    • @akaneriyun4774
      @akaneriyun4774 4 года назад +1

      @Psyche Silver and Steel Blades are useless but Iron blades are pretty good. Higher blades are for selling.

    • @ericamborsky3230
      @ericamborsky3230 3 года назад

      I know blades are garbage, but there is something so satisfying about using a steel blade on a Falcoknight.......

    • @tobinfromfireemblem9742
      @tobinfromfireemblem9742 3 года назад +3

      @@portalguy2246 that's just a fates problem

  • @Mangs1337
    @Mangs1337 6 лет назад +3544

    I want a fully voiced Skallagrim tutorial for Fire Emblem 16.

    • @iamr.o.b.therobot
      @iamr.o.b.therobot 6 лет назад +222

      Same. Seriously, would be pretty cool if they were like "Look, the weapon triangle actually kinda makes sense, and here's why:"

    • @zenith468
      @zenith468 6 лет назад +65

      Knew I'd see you here sooner or later!

    • @pedros.1656
      @pedros.1656 6 лет назад +107

      They should make him an npc in the next game

    • @tbc1880
      @tbc1880 6 лет назад +32

      I want a tree named mangs in 16.

    • @charleouel9012
      @charleouel9012 6 лет назад +9

      Mangs being Mangs like alwas :D

  • @x2spooky4me
    @x2spooky4me 6 лет назад +4879

    Why are you killing your clones? Aren't they expensive?

    • @trashpanda5869
      @trashpanda5869 6 лет назад +503

      Nah he got them on the Amazon Prime Day sales

    • @MisterMiyata
      @MisterMiyata 6 лет назад +185

      Who says it was only clones who were killed.....

    • @Harshhaze
      @Harshhaze 6 лет назад +219

      It's easy to tell the real Skall. He's the one with a removable pommel!

    • @eduardocharlier7560
      @eduardocharlier7560 6 лет назад +10

      x2spooky4me aaaand it's now demonetized...

    • @RG4327-
      @RG4327- 6 лет назад +23

      They are only shadow clones!

  • @KingBobXVI
    @KingBobXVI 6 лет назад +2049

    "User is what really matters"
    To be fair, this is definitely a factor in the game as well - doesn't matter if you pit your swordsman against a spearman when you're 5 levels higher :P

    • @Valigarmanda
      @Valigarmanda 6 лет назад +155

      KingBobXIV Put a beefed up axeman against 6 horsemen lined up at an entrance and it's an easy 1v6

    • @catfish8716
      @catfish8716 6 лет назад +138

      *Awakenining flashbacks to axe user with 0% hit against Sumia*
      Yep. The weapon triangle is DEFINITELY the most important trick to victory

    • @ZenoDovahkiin
      @ZenoDovahkiin 6 лет назад +89

      Catfish In Awakening, the most important trick is grinding zombies, unless you actually want to play Fire Emblem instead of a dating game.

    • @lucasgreene1094
      @lucasgreene1094 6 лет назад +24

      Catfish In the new games, yeah. The 3ds games were written by retards; shit stories compared to the gba ones and they dumbed iy down so much that even the hardest modes aren't particularky challenging. On normal you can basically ignore any tactical considerations and win.

    • @jysaw1
      @jysaw1 6 лет назад +49

      Echoes is pretty good tbh. Removing the dating sim elements makes it a much better game because you focus on the things that actually matter. Map design and difficulty weren't too good tho and it's unfortunate that it didn't have a lunatic option but I'd put it at the top for the 3DS games.

  • @calsifer666
    @calsifer666 6 лет назад +1918

    "User is what really matters"
    *Looks at my General who exclusively uses a log as a spear defeating yet another skirmish by himself*
    Yeaaaaah you're not kidding.

    • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx
      @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx 5 лет назад +102

      High Skill & High Strength & High Weapon Mastery > Everything

    • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx
      @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx 5 лет назад +33

      @Ghost Yuki
      You can break the Weapon Triangle if your Soldier has the Most Outstanding Stats if you had some.

    • @LeonArgent
      @LeonArgent 5 лет назад +6

      Pfff Amelia as a great general clears landu by herself. It helps to have a massive armor.

    • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx
      @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx 5 лет назад +7

      @@LeonArgent
      Thats also...
      valid but optional.

    • @Chronoflation
      @Chronoflation 5 лет назад +62

      Have you ever fought off someone strong enough to swing around a giant log as a weapon? That's when you know to run for the hills, you're not fighting a man you're fighting a bear with a weapon

  • @FrankiePeanuts
    @FrankiePeanuts 6 лет назад +2218

    The Weapon Triangle is usually meant to be an early game tool to ease players into combat during the early chapters. There comes a point in the games where a unit's raw stats are able to overcome the advantages provided by the Triangle.

    • @andrewrockwell1282
      @andrewrockwell1282 6 лет назад +237

      That is why triangle scales with weapon skill to make it more powerful as you go further in the game.

    • @aleckspotato7690
      @aleckspotato7690 6 лет назад +262

      It's also why a unit can be at a disadvantage yet still come out on top during combat, from dodging a hit to landing one

    • @aurourus6894
      @aurourus6894 6 лет назад +342

      That makes sense, beginners would need to rely on their weapon more than their skill.

    • @MegaTomPlays
      @MegaTomPlays 6 лет назад +94

      I never thought of it like that 0.0 more time spent with a weapon means that what you're against matters less! Good point!!!

    • @noahyounger2080
      @noahyounger2080 6 лет назад +49

      FrankiePeanuts I always ignored the triangle. It was usually a problem of groups of enemies having multiple types of weapons, making the total bonus nil unless I could kill the entire group in one turn.

  • @joshwist556
    @joshwist556 6 лет назад +701

    Purple Blood? Skall secretly one of the Reptillian Overlords?

    • @gdobrocsi
      @gdobrocsi 6 лет назад +102

      He's just hiding from the DEMONetasation

    • @nicolassagrillo1442
      @nicolassagrillo1442 6 лет назад +5

      Skaall Agrimm is the true mirthfull messiah

    • @obsidianmoon13
      @obsidianmoon13 6 лет назад +20

      Never played Mortal Kombat on the SNES? It's "sweat"

    • @falsebeliever8079
      @falsebeliever8079 6 лет назад +4

      No, he is one of the Draconic Destroyers!

    • @TheAsvarduilProject
      @TheAsvarduilProject 6 лет назад +9

      He will end the resistance rightly!

  • @AdamChan318
    @AdamChan318 5 лет назад +194

    Should be "user is what really matters, unless you're Roy"

    • @CaptainCFalcon
      @CaptainCFalcon 5 лет назад +27

      That's a weird way to spell Hector.

    • @mistee2193
      @mistee2193 4 года назад +20

      Captain Falcon I think it’s cause Roy is just basically fucked against any match up

    • @abrancullen7402
      @abrancullen7402 4 года назад +2

      pimpin roys and wimpin roys

    • @tarushsardana4501
      @tarushsardana4501 4 года назад

      Roy is a pretty nice unit in binding blade though

    • @gypsysprite4824
      @gypsysprite4824 4 года назад +8

      @@tarushsardana4501 no. no he isn't. he promotes far tolate and has too shitty bases. especially in hard mode
      and once he does promote, he's only good because the Sword of Seals is basically ragnell except not unbreakable

  • @daelightayra7792
    @daelightayra7792 5 лет назад +754

    according to fe4
    swords beat axes
    swords beat lances
    swords beat swords

    • @alpharabbit2353
      @alpharabbit2353 5 лет назад +95

      According to FE4, holy blood>all else

    • @daelightayra7792
      @daelightayra7792 5 лет назад +80

      @@alpharabbit2353 both of us are wrong horses>all

    • @Mario2980
      @Mario2980 5 лет назад +41

      @@daelightayra7792 Bolganone > Sigurd > All

    • @zacharynelson2856
      @zacharynelson2856 5 лет назад +7

      @@daelightayra7792 you can't kill enemies you can't get to.

    • @symphomaniac
      @symphomaniac 5 лет назад +17

      @@Mario2980 You mean Valflame

  • @Fargoth_Ur
    @Fargoth_Ur 6 лет назад +463

    1:38 To be fair, this is a factor in the games as well.
    A high-level warrior using an axe is gonna crush any swordsman that isn't sufficiently experienced, weapon triangle be damned.

    • @Sjors_
      @Sjors_ 6 лет назад +48

      Reminds me of this comic: i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/576/827/05f.jpg

    • @julbot1
      @julbot1 6 лет назад +31

      "Pick a god and pray!"

    • @iranoutofnames6444
      @iranoutofnames6444 6 лет назад +7

      i just bought fire emblem awakening, is this game a good starting game for a new comer?

    • @nelsonharrington9847
      @nelsonharrington9847 6 лет назад +4

      Best game in the series

    • @iranoutofnames6444
      @iranoutofnames6444 6 лет назад +1

      but will i miss out any of the plot?

  • @tidalgrunt6549
    @tidalgrunt6549 6 лет назад +283

    "One handed axe vs two handed axe, I would bet on the axe"
    _you don't say?_

    • @juampisito
      @juampisito 6 лет назад +8

      But if you have 2 one handed axes then they may win.

    • @Alpostpone
      @Alpostpone 6 лет назад +26

      I'll beat that with 2 two-handed axes.

    • @ariq45
      @ariq45 6 лет назад +1

      wha, what????

    • @myrkvir6500
      @myrkvir6500 5 лет назад +1

      Don't know if fire emblem uses this mechanic, but axes can also be thrown at the opponent very effectively. Especially if you have a shield to hide it behind.

    • @zeropsycho5768
      @zeropsycho5768 5 лет назад

      but which one you will bet on i’m little confused

  • @GogiRegion
    @GogiRegion 5 лет назад +275

    I always tried to rationalize the axes beat lances thing and just always blew it off as balancing, but the hooking argument really sounds effective!

    • @MsKeylas
      @MsKeylas 5 лет назад +3

      I agree ,imho it actually should be swords beat lance,lance beat axe,axe beat sword

    • @MsKeylas
      @MsKeylas 5 лет назад +2

      Imho, Swords are better to deflect lance's Swords are less unwieldy. Lance beats axe since axe has even shorter range than sword not even talking about lance. and Axe is a bit unwieldy.
      Axe beats swords because its hits are more powerful than swords and may overpower or break block.
      At least that is my argumentation.

    • @mr.fanfedgiveaway7016
      @mr.fanfedgiveaway7016 5 лет назад +18

      I always thought axes just could break a lance

    • @MsKeylas
      @MsKeylas 5 лет назад +5

      @@mr.fanfedgiveaway7016 It depends.. If shaft of the lance/spear was used to block and was held with both hands. Yeah axe could possibly break/slice. But if you use spear/ lance as intended not as a quaterstaff then it is extremely improbable for axe breaking lance/spear/ It would just bat lance/spear aside.

    • @mr.fanfedgiveaway7016
      @mr.fanfedgiveaway7016 5 лет назад

      @@MsKeylas is it inteded with 1 hand. I don't know cause you said quarterstaff is 2 hand

  • @TheCrimsonIdol987
    @TheCrimsonIdol987 6 лет назад +1322

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    For years mankind has used the spear to amazing effectiveness, but they also used the axe to amazing effectiveness. But the one problem they had was they couldn't combine the two to make the ultimate weapon.
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    Lol jk, Skall, loved the video!

    • @808chrispy
      @808chrispy 5 лет назад +65

      TheCrimsonIdol987 V-E-R-S-A-T-I-L-I-T-Y

    • @The_Custos
      @The_Custos 5 лет назад +20

      I was thinking about this today, and Musashi really hated halberds, he considered them far too much a defensive weapon.

    • @TheCrimsonIdol987
      @TheCrimsonIdol987 5 лет назад +11

      Well, they are basically a spear-axe.

    • @jmlkhan5153
      @jmlkhan5153 5 лет назад +58

      You forgot to repeat the number a third time. That's the rule infomercial-type ads use. Say it three times, and the customer will remember. If you really want to get through to them, do it thrice.

    • @TheCrimsonIdol987
      @TheCrimsonIdol987 5 лет назад +6

      @@jmlkhan5153 Duly noted.

  • @BlankPicketSign
    @BlankPicketSign 6 лет назад +342

    Those clone kills tho! AWESOME editing!

    • @jordanfitzmaurice6658
      @jordanfitzmaurice6658 6 лет назад +3

      Awesome!!? That rampant Skallicide was sickening! So many good beards gone to an early grave. . .

    • @arnekrug939
      @arnekrug939 6 лет назад

      Jordan Fitzmaurice Nah, he can always just edit in more.

    • @kevin427
      @kevin427 6 лет назад

      Skall should be dead, though. He killed his Replicate clones...

  • @nothisispatrick4644
    @nothisispatrick4644 6 лет назад +1314

    "Tis but a scratch"

  • @longestdog7355
    @longestdog7355 5 лет назад +56

    I really felt like I walked into a weapon shop from some rpg where the shops smith had insanely intricate dialogue responses.
    Love it.

  • @Kmn483
    @Kmn483 5 лет назад +194

    I'm glad he used the Naginata in this. Historically, in feudal japan, the Nagitana was used by women to defend their homes specifically from sword users.
    Their longer reach gave an advantage to the women who would otherwise be at a disadvantage against the physically stronger invaders.
    I've learned a bunch about battle axes in this. I wasn't even aware that they were practical weapons! Those grapple techniques are impressive!

    • @kubaGR8
      @kubaGR8 5 лет назад +12

      Didn't feudal Japan samurai mainly use polearms and bows rather tha swords? And wasn't it the same with Ashigaru?

    • @orangvii3633
      @orangvii3633 5 лет назад +5

      @@kubaGR8 yari spearmen

    • @LesGrosPiedsDeDeejay
      @LesGrosPiedsDeDeejay 5 лет назад +3

      Franks used a lot of battle axes like the short "francisque"

    • @rainierdanredondo1278
      @rainierdanredondo1278 5 лет назад +12

      *Happy Hinoka noises*

    • @lick28
      @lick28 3 года назад +8

      @@kubaGR8 samurais actually were more like a loose police force so they used katanas when dealing with everyday stuff since katanas are easier to use in peacetime than war weapons whereas in wars they used muskets, zanbatos and spears with the ocassional odachis.

  • @davenathan2002
    @davenathan2002 6 лет назад +285

    Skallagrim fights for his friends.

    • @_Doc-
      @_Doc- 6 лет назад +8

      I love you for that comment

    • @of5606
      @of5606 6 лет назад +11

      Dave N Skallagrim doesn't pick fights he can't win.

    • @TwoHeadedMeerkat
      @TwoHeadedMeerkat 6 лет назад +6

      He's an overrated lord.
      *YOU'LL GET NO SYMPATHY FROM HIM!!!*

    • @dragonsmash3r
      @dragonsmash3r 6 лет назад

      Dave N he challenges his fate.

    • @-snek.
      @-snek. 6 лет назад

      He also does crack and heroin.

  • @etunimisukunimi702
    @etunimisukunimi702 6 лет назад +262

    Pommel wins everything

  • @benvictim
    @benvictim 6 лет назад +197

    funny thing is, earlier games lances were mainly on mounted units: very rarely did the show up on foot units. It's the more recent games that has given us more foot lance units.

    • @TornaitSuperBird
      @TornaitSuperBird 6 лет назад +12

      Ben Victim and even then, those units are heavily armored- and have shields.

    • @ParrishT3
      @ParrishT3 5 лет назад +10

      Dunno about you but knights/generals made an early appearance in the games I played.

    • @insertname1667
      @insertname1667 5 лет назад +9

      timpar3 yeah Sacred Stones was swarming with lances on both cavalry and foot soldiers (who's sprites actually carried a shield now that I remember), axe users pretty much dominated the early game for me, especially when you had them equipped with hand axes so they had versatility compared to sword users.

    • @sonicthehedge
      @sonicthehedge 5 лет назад +4

      there were always some foot units that wield only lances. it's mostly the solider/lancer class which is they were almost always locked to enemies only (but considering they're the worst class cause anything can double them and only appear in the first few levels I doubt anyone would of wanted them) . lol in fates the nohrians are the ones that have the lancer (soldier) but yet the class isn't even available to your unit even if your playing conquest and don't have promote as there levels go beyond 20,
      and correct me if I'm wrong but none are captureable because they always appear as allies or vallites.

    • @zeogryder9701
      @zeogryder9701 5 лет назад +1

      Lukas.nuff said

  • @nunyaasher7402
    @nunyaasher7402 5 лет назад +36

    As a Fire Emblem player, I do actually agre with his analysis. In reality, the specifics of what kind of axe, sword and pole arm would change the matchup, and Fire Emblem has it more generalized for the sake of game balance. As well as skill, experience, equipment, armor, pretty much nullifying the advantages, yeah. If you've played Fire Emblem, you have probably been overleveled at some point, allowing you to own your opponent, matchup be damned. It actually happens quite frequently.

  • @dumbsterdives
    @dumbsterdives 6 лет назад +365

    Sword > Axe: The speed and agility of a sword outspeeds and outmaneuvers the slower and less agile axe.
    Lance > Sword: Outranges the sword and (as shown in your quarterstaff video) is very efficient at deflecting swords.
    Axe > Lance: The aggressive fighting style required would mean an axe wielder would close in past the end of the lance, putting the opponent at a disadvantage, and the force behind its swings could break the lance.

    • @dumbsterdives
      @dumbsterdives 6 лет назад +85

      The designs of the weapons should be considered too. All the swords are one-handed or a shorter 2-handed, all lances are the of the spear variety, and all the axes are considerably large. This lends a bit more credibility to the triangle, for the reasons you stated

    • @juliusgreen9179
      @juliusgreen9179 6 лет назад +52

      Except that the longer spear would kill anyone without a shield, as Skal explained many times

    • @calcumalators
      @calcumalators 6 лет назад +8

      plus the axehead can be used to hook and direct the spear

    • @keentrasborg2566
      @keentrasborg2566 6 лет назад +34

      We need to stop propagating this fantasy that spear shafts snap like twigs at the merest touch. Like... I assume you have an old woodcutter's axe lying around in a shed somewhere. Try picking that up and strike at a hardwood pole. You will barely make a dent in it, much, MUCH less if that pole is being handled by a spearman (Because the spear would be in constant motion).

    • @h0m3st4r
      @h0m3st4r 6 лет назад

      Pretty much.

  • @n00bsstuff36
    @n00bsstuff36 6 лет назад +3535

    The swords ALWAYS beats it all...
    As longer as is used by a teenager with wacky hair color of course!

    • @seeen64
      @seeen64 6 лет назад +130

      N00B's Stuff Or Astra lobster.

    • @Neogears1312
      @Neogears1312 6 лет назад +74

      Huh is that why Leif is trash?

    • @xmat555
      @xmat555 6 лет назад +44

      N00B's Stuff what about ephraim smh

    • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx
      @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx 6 лет назад +16

      +MatMat35
      Ephraim uses a Lance.
      Its just Mid-Tier and won't damage much.

    • @alexstewart9592
      @alexstewart9592 6 лет назад +20

      Don't be ridiculous. A Dazzling Wrathful Gravity+ from Elise with some movement skill support (like swap) always beats any teenager with any hair color and a sword, because they can't even REACH Elise to hit her with their sword, and even Distant Counter is useless with Dazzling.

  • @Buchinator12
    @Buchinator12 6 лет назад +196

    Halberds are generally considered Axes in fire emblem

    • @madhatten00
      @madhatten00 6 лет назад +60

      yeah that's the main reason i think axe beats lance
      halberds were designed to counter knights on horseback and knights would generally be charging with a lance

    • @Natsu25100
      @Natsu25100 5 лет назад +8

      Halberds are designed to knock the rider off the horse.

    • @bernardoheusi6146
      @bernardoheusi6146 5 лет назад +7

      Naginatas are spears, but Minerva´s "halberd" is totally an axe in Fire Emblem Heroes. How to thrust effectively when the tip is shorter than the blade...

    • @Natsu25100
      @Natsu25100 5 лет назад

      @@bernardoheusi6146 similar to the case of Katanas which are also swords

  • @h4724-q6j
    @h4724-q6j 6 лет назад +86

    The halberd is the ultimate weapon, second only to the unscrewable pommel.

    • @ryanmulherin2682
      @ryanmulherin2682 6 лет назад +6

      Your profile pic gives me nostalgia, the good old Google+ bell.

    • @krownedkhaos4281
      @krownedkhaos4281 4 года назад +2

      Rightly so

    • @rallics
      @rallics 4 года назад

      Age\gaming check. Ebolt halberd mage beats everything

  • @GenJotsu
    @GenJotsu 6 лет назад +186

    Never thought about the axe hooking the spear, good point.

    • @tehMothMan
      @tehMothMan 6 лет назад +20

      Ya but you have to quick af. It's one thing to hook a swing it's another to hook a trust, plus the person could always feint a strike leaving you open to get poked in the gut.

    • @russleman9819
      @russleman9819 6 лет назад +6

      Axe can also hook the sword, especially bearded axe. It's a question about the wielder's skill.

    • @AstralS7orm
      @AstralS7orm 5 лет назад +18

      Russ Leman Hooking a not very telegraphed thrust takes luck, not just enormous skill. It's no good if you hook the weapon after you're already skewered - the timing is supremely tight. And it's just a temporary problem for a good spearsman or swordsman unless you somehow strongly lock the weapon. (Like say holding it.) Locking the weapon down is much easier said than done even at a big skill advantage.

    • @mariobenedicto3582
      @mariobenedicto3582 5 лет назад

      Yeah... one point for the weapon triangle.

    • @paulchapman8023
      @paulchapman8023 5 лет назад +1

      tehMothMan which, to be fair, is about how it works in Fire Emblem in my experience: Axe users generally have a harder time avoiding damage from lances than lance users from swords or sword users from axes, unless their Speed or Luck stat is unusually high.

  • @loreman2803
    @loreman2803 6 лет назад +441

    But there’s so many blades!!!, it’s so hard to actually put them in a triangle

    • @poilboiler
      @poilboiler 6 лет назад +16

      Just use a wielder.

    • @TheMorbidHobo
      @TheMorbidHobo 6 лет назад +23

      It's a generalization, that's all.

    • @RoboterHund87
      @RoboterHund87 6 лет назад +12

      Hugo Wallot
      You can't melt a triangle at more than 180 degrees

    • @brianshea2515
      @brianshea2515 6 лет назад +11

      You can on non-Euclidean surfaces.

    • @RoboterHund87
      @RoboterHund87 6 лет назад +12

      Brian Shea
      Hmm... But the universe is known to be flat. So, even if you managed to put the blades in a 1300 degree triangle, an observer far way from the surface would see curved swords. Curved. Swords.

  • @wyvernknight
    @wyvernknight 5 лет назад +51

    skallagrim holds a 2 handed sword and axe at the same time
    me “ wait, that’s illegal”

  • @Ultimabuster92
    @Ultimabuster92 5 лет назад +13

    Wow, this video serves as a great reference to my Fire Emblem Fanfiction! Thanks. I'm gonna watch through some other videos of you now. You're great

  • @canalsincontenido
    @canalsincontenido 6 лет назад +114

    I had never though about those pro axe>spear arguments, really solid stuff.
    On the halberd topic, some weapons in the game do count as a different class, I'm pretty sure there are lance-like-axes that are strong against swords and weak to regular lances, for example

    • @Practitioner_of_Diogenes
      @Practitioner_of_Diogenes 6 лет назад +41

      Yeah, the reaver weapons.

    • @andercade6469
      @andercade6469 6 лет назад +11

      reaver weapons do the opposite. for example, a spear becomes strong against axe and weak against sword, ect.

    • @ChillstoneBlakeBlast
      @ChillstoneBlakeBlast 6 лет назад

      Except for Fates, where you wield 2 of the same weapons. F fates

    • @bld9826
      @bld9826 6 лет назад +1

      Blake Blast What are you even trying to say?

    • @ChillstoneBlakeBlast
      @ChillstoneBlakeBlast 6 лет назад

      BLD Dual Weapons. dual Katana, dual Naginata, Dual Club, Dual Bow etc.

  • @Wownerd1265
    @Wownerd1265 6 лет назад +151

    Ah, yes, Skallagrim murdering Skallagrim. Now I may die happy.

    • @ObsoleteVodka
      @ObsoleteVodka 6 лет назад +3

      Skall versus Skall, sounds cool!

  • @archentity
    @archentity 6 лет назад +241

    So Lancereavers would basically be two handed longswords.
    Axereavers would basically be fauchards.
    And Swordreavers would be halberds.

    • @bvd_vlvd
      @bvd_vlvd 6 лет назад +18

      arch entity but halberds already exist. So they would be special halberds!

    • @Jayvee4635
      @Jayvee4635 5 лет назад +3

      Interesting design perspective

    • @stevengu1253
      @stevengu1253 3 года назад

      But Swordreavers are weak against lances, which is not exactly true if they were halberds with good reach.

    • @archentity
      @archentity 3 года назад +3

      @@stevengu1253 I'm pretty sure they are... I remember these reverse weapons actually being weak to what their type is strong to. For example I remember swordreavers being weak to lances and lancereavers being weak to axes. Also it has to work this way because otherwise it would be unbalanced.

    • @paulchapman8023
      @paulchapman8023 3 года назад +1

      @@archentity his point was that halberds in real life are not particularly vulnerable to spears, as Swordreavers are to Lances in the game.

  • @SprayNpreyT
    @SprayNpreyT 6 лет назад +695

    those clones were sacrificed for the greater good ^^

    • @lilwyvern4
      @lilwyvern4 6 лет назад +13

      Spoken like a true gue'vesa!

    • @spudsbuchlaw
      @spudsbuchlaw 6 лет назад +13

      _Les Enfants Terribles_

    • @olbap2014
      @olbap2014 6 лет назад +5

      Spuds Larsson La li lu le lo

    • @spudsbuchlaw
      @spudsbuchlaw 6 лет назад +6

      olbap se aburre The La Li Lu Le Lo? It can't be!

    • @olbap2014
      @olbap2014 6 лет назад +5

      Spuds Larsson Nanomachines, son

  • @dimitrilium3912
    @dimitrilium3912 6 лет назад +78

    After a lot of larping, I can tell the triangle make sense in a simplified setting. Sword is faster than the axe, the axe can grapple and manipulate the lance, and the lance have too much reach for the sword.

    • @misterbadguy7325
      @misterbadguy7325 6 лет назад +9

      Plus, it makes sense in the early game, when you have a Lord, who's almost always a swordsman, and most of the early enemies are bandits, who tend to favor axes. In the late game, you start facing a lot more spear-users, even.

    • @JackgarPrime
      @JackgarPrime 6 лет назад +5

      Mister Bad Guy Not to mention that you tend to run up against the General class enemy more and more often, which are armored lancers. There tend to be more armor-killing axes than armor-killing swords, so that gives another reason to have axe users at the ready in the late game.

    • @Wazoo117
      @Wazoo117 6 лет назад

      That's the way I have always thought about it

    • @giantotter319
      @giantotter319 6 лет назад

      Yeah, in battle larps it makes sense. IRL i think spear is overall better (because you can win with first hit, but in most larps, you need more hits)

  • @redhammer92
    @redhammer92 6 лет назад +1185

    Long story short Hector beats all.

    • @quagsouls
      @quagsouls 6 лет назад +97

      Sawyer or early awakening Frederick

    • @redhammer92
      @redhammer92 6 лет назад +25

      You know, i actually managed to get him killed in one playthrough. I was so gimped after that haha.

    • @danieldo8859
      @danieldo8859 6 лет назад +53

      Dont forget Ayra and Zelgius!
      Regnal astra and black luna op.

    • @quagsouls
      @quagsouls 6 лет назад +23

      Sawyer how the hell did you manage that on a non lunatic playthrough

    • @redhammer92
      @redhammer92 6 лет назад +38

      ahhh, lets just say mistakes were made and leave it at that.

  • @terrivel11
    @terrivel11 6 лет назад +21

    The experience & physicality point really rings true when you consider that properly leveled character will basically just steamroll through enemies, regardless of what kind of weapons you are using.

    • @balsamon69
      @balsamon69 Год назад

      Unless you're an archer
      Yeah, archers have it hard it this life. I wonder if there's some kind of ArcherLivesMatter movement in the FE universe🤔

  • @geraq0
    @geraq0 6 лет назад +26

    Love that Symphony of the Night shirt. Thanks for the video!

  • @ChaoticSorceror
    @ChaoticSorceror 6 лет назад +150

    So what you're saying is...context?

    • @matthewmuir8884
      @matthewmuir8884 6 лет назад +18

      A wild Matt Easton appears... Oh wait; wrong Nintendo series.

    • @fsmoura
      @fsmoura 6 лет назад +12

      good joke, but needs more penetration

    • @TheManeymon
      @TheManeymon 6 лет назад +6

      ChaoticSorceror CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING

    • @adama9300
      @adama9300 6 лет назад +5

      BUT WHAT ABOUT DRAGONS?!?!

    • @germanvisitor2
      @germanvisitor2 6 лет назад +2

      What we like about dragons is that in any context their pommels penetrate French noble ones very well.

  • @requiemaeternam3406
    @requiemaeternam3406 6 лет назад +124

    You forgot the pommel advantage!

    • @AstralS7orm
      @AstralS7orm 5 лет назад +6

      Joaquin Fritsch Santis But then a mace is a pommel on a stick...

  • @Spikeupine
    @Spikeupine 5 лет назад +19

    Maybe they represent agility(sword) reach(spear) and power(axe)

  • @lesterropeter5483
    @lesterropeter5483 6 лет назад +2

    This is the most accurate and best explanation I've seen for the weapons triangle. Good job and thank you for the visual demonstrations. I feel like I'm a rare one to follow that weapon triangle a lot even at a level advantage

  • @koenwebb4157
    @koenwebb4157 6 лет назад +550

    "Theres the swords, The lances, and the bad ones"
    The most true statement when it comes to Fire Emblem.

  • @jacopoarmini7889
    @jacopoarmini7889 6 лет назад +71

    this is the only channel that makes me feel nerdy and smart at the same time...

    • @DiamondAppendixVODs
      @DiamondAppendixVODs 6 лет назад

      Game Theory anyone?

    • @jacopoarmini7889
      @jacopoarmini7889 6 лет назад +9

      Diamond Appendix
      nope, that makes me only feel stupid, recently at least.

    • @LurkerDaBerzerker
      @LurkerDaBerzerker 6 лет назад

      Diamond Appendix This is for you.....ruclips.net/video/o_pCM6gFXXE/видео.html

    • @jacopoarmini7889
      @jacopoarmini7889 6 лет назад +2

      Nickolas Holmes
      Oh! That one, a truly heart mending video. Unfortunately I still suffer from phantom pain due to Matpat's snarky voice...

    • @LurkerDaBerzerker
      @LurkerDaBerzerker 6 лет назад +3

      Jacopo Armini I used to watch the guy, but after about a year or so, he just started to go down hill. (Using less science, bending things to his narrative, using bad source's, etc. etc.. ) That, and a few other vids, were just the nail in the coffin....

  • @-TPLT
    @-TPLT 6 лет назад +4

    I think that dagger vs. spear illustration set was inadvertently hilarious. It's such a show of pride and skill that it makes you really wonder if it was indeed as amazing as illustrated.

  • @LemonRush7777
    @LemonRush7777 4 года назад +4

    "User is what really matters".
    Just ask Hector.

  • @geammanDW
    @geammanDW 6 лет назад +52

    Ah yes "What is a man?! A miserable pile of secrets!!" :)

    • @caseyb1346
      @caseyb1346 6 лет назад +1

      Was looking for this comment. Surprised more haven't pointed it out.

  • @aldor9357
    @aldor9357 6 лет назад +107

    Nothing can beat a long & thick shaft

    • @PACKERMAN2077
      @PACKERMAN2077 6 лет назад +5

      Aldor accept my hand

    • @comradecameron3726
      @comradecameron3726 6 лет назад +4

      With a pointy bit on the end

    • @gabriel300010
      @gabriel300010 6 лет назад +2

      how about a longer and thicker shaft?

    • @fsmoura
      @fsmoura 6 лет назад +2

      thats wat she said ( o.o)

    • @ElkaPME
      @ElkaPME 6 лет назад

      Nothing can beat a pommel

  • @TheSoka999
    @TheSoka999 6 лет назад +66

    Subbed purely for the Castlevania SOTN shirt, great content though.

  • @tobinfromfireemblem9742
    @tobinfromfireemblem9742 3 года назад +4

    Can't relate to the weapon triangle situation, the Fire Emblem I'm from doesn't have it.

  • @quagsouls
    @quagsouls 6 лет назад +404

    We don’t talk about the fates triangle

    • @danieldo8859
      @danieldo8859 6 лет назад +175

      Runtaro Amemi We dont talk about Fates in general my friend

    • @Andreu0rtin
      @Andreu0rtin 6 лет назад +73

      Daniel Do
      Why?
      Mechanically is the best so far.

    • @Practitioner_of_Diogenes
      @Practitioner_of_Diogenes 6 лет назад +58

      Am I SERIOUSLY the only one that actually liked that weapon triangle?

    • @Andreu0rtin
      @Andreu0rtin 6 лет назад +72

      AntiSkillshot
      I kinda like it
      It gives ranged weapons some kind of idiosyncrasy without being as complex as types of magic like in Radiant Dawn.

    • @sanfransiscon
      @sanfransiscon 6 лет назад +19

      It's basically the same as the rest though, and the color-coding makes it much more intuitive.

  • @victorcast2467
    @victorcast2467 6 лет назад +56

    Here is a thumbs up for the badass editing

  • @N01CurryClassEnjoyer
    @N01CurryClassEnjoyer 5 лет назад +20

    “Makes video abkut The weapon triangle”...
    Uses a circle in the thumbnail

  • @BirdsAlwaysWin
    @BirdsAlwaysWin 5 лет назад +2

    Been watching videos on this channel for a long time, the quality of the videos and effects have gone up considerably over time 👍

  • @napalmblaziken
    @napalmblaziken 6 лет назад +190

    Long story short, everything dies to Ryoma. He dodges everything, Raijinto lets him attack from range 1 and 2, and he feels the need to Astra and critical everything that moves.

    • @andrewrockwell1282
      @andrewrockwell1282 6 лет назад +31

      This is true, but I have one question: Does he die to Reinhardt? =P

    • @napalmblaziken
      @napalmblaziken 6 лет назад +17

      Andrew Rockwell Fuck Reinhardt.

    • @andrewrockwell1282
      @andrewrockwell1282 6 лет назад +7

      He is obnoxious but I always laugh at the old memes. I use him occasionally to clear new maps IS puts out.

    • @napalmblaziken
      @napalmblaziken 6 лет назад +4

      Andrew Rockwell Worst part is he wasted a slot on the Thracia banner. Smart thing would have been replacing Reinhardt and Olwen with Finn and Orsin, and putting Eyvel as the TT reward. But I digress.

    • @Kortexual
      @Kortexual 6 лет назад +9

      Oh boy, Morgan from Awakening will shred Ryoma if they have good skill inheritance. Even in FEH, Hardin basically smashes all red units into dust.

  • @flintrocks
    @flintrocks 6 лет назад +61

    "I am the sword, deadly against all weapons. Neither spear, nor poleaxe, nor dagger can prevail against me. I can be used at long range or close range, or I can be held in the half sword grip and move to the Narrow Game. I can be used to take away the opponent’s sword, or move to grapple. My skill lies in breaking and binding. I am also skilled in covering and striking, with which I seek always to finish the fight. I will crush anyone who opposes me. I am of royal blood. I dispense justice, advance the cause of good and destroy evil. To those who learn my crossings I will grant great fame and renown in the art of armed fighting." - Fiore de'i Liberi

    • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx
      @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx 6 лет назад

      Flint
      What Epic?

    • @JM-rw9ve
      @JM-rw9ve 6 лет назад +2

      Plus, you can have your pummel thrown.

    • @geoffrogers7590
      @geoffrogers7590 6 лет назад

      I like it! I think it's flowery bullshit, but I like.

    • @nemanja4758
      @nemanja4758 6 лет назад

      I expected a pommel joke, got a quote and now I'm moved, but disappointed

    • @aneesh2115
      @aneesh2115 6 лет назад

      Ha
      Spear in the back

  • @fallenafterling4128
    @fallenafterling4128 5 лет назад +5

    "What is a lance?" Have a feeling your shirt played a part in that line.

  • @oxidiana93
    @oxidiana93 5 лет назад +2

    I love your professionality in the matter, always fun things to watch and interesting to learn

  • @SSName
    @SSName 6 лет назад +590

    Reinhardt disagrees with the weapon triangle

    • @zacharia4061
      @zacharia4061 6 лет назад +100

      Magic is everything

    • @SSName
      @SSName 6 лет назад +67

      Magic *BEATS* everything

    • @beegie90
      @beegie90 6 лет назад +27

      S.S. Name pommel can beat magic

    • @jeffd.683
      @jeffd.683 6 лет назад +44

      A mage knight should be equipped with more than just magic, my friend.

    • @beegie90
      @beegie90 6 лет назад +22

      Jeff D. For example, a pommel

  • @WolfDB
    @WolfDB 6 лет назад +40

    There's also the reaver weapons, special weapons in the game that basically reverse the weapons triangle, so the weapon they would normally lose to they beat and vice versa. But that's a little bit too complex for the basic idea of the video especially since, as you said, any of these three could counter each other given the specifics of the weapons as well as the skill of the wielders of these weapons.

    • @sterlingmuse5808
      @sterlingmuse5808 6 лет назад +1

      There are also weapons which are effective against certain types of units, and those sometimes make sense. Then you get something like the Halberd, which in Fire Emblem is just an Axe weapon that does a lot of damage to horse-mounted units and that's the only thing special about it.

  • @HartyBiker
    @HartyBiker 5 лет назад +10

    No Skallakrims were harmed during the making of this video

  • @RedGeist
    @RedGeist 6 лет назад

    I've been following your channel for nearly 3 years and this is by far your most important video.

  • @Sunsaparilla
    @Sunsaparilla 6 лет назад +10

    Almost to 1 million subs there, mate. Good work

  • @briandang6766
    @briandang6766 6 лет назад +10

    That intro is gold

  • @Borkyg0bb0
    @Borkyg0bb0 5 лет назад

    It's 7 am in the morning where I live, I'm tired as hell and this one channel have to be the best I've seen. The consept, the topics, mister Skaallagrim... fuckin' every thing is good. You made my day so thank you mate

  • @dragonboy0158
    @dragonboy0158 5 лет назад +50

    *Me while watching video:*
    *Skallagrim: Sword beats the axe.*
    *Me: Laughs in Hector.*

  • @matthewmuir8884
    @matthewmuir8884 6 лет назад +8

    Fire Emblem cannot make up its mind as to whether halberds are axes or lances. In Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, they were considered axes (they were called poleaxes, but they were clearly halberds based on their length), while halberds in Echoes not only were considered lances, they were the default lances.

    • @LupineHero
      @LupineHero 6 лет назад +4

      It's worth mentioning, though, that Echoes doesn't have the weapon triangle, and has no playable axe-wielders. Doesn't really disprove your point, but it's why I'd personally count the Tellius games over Echoes.

  • @minimoYT
    @minimoYT 6 лет назад +140

    I clicked so fast that the page didn't load properly

  • @bossle6834
    @bossle6834 6 лет назад +94

    Lance's and axes don't have pomes, thus rendering their bearers defenseless against swordsmen

    • @migukmoonpark4312
      @migukmoonpark4312 5 лет назад +15

      Not if that lance is stuck in your face though

    • @shrekonion8307
      @shrekonion8307 5 лет назад +16

      @@migukmoonpark4312 if you have a pommel that wouldnt be a problem

    • @andrewmayo9400
      @andrewmayo9400 5 лет назад +6

      @@migukmoonpark4312 If you'd have had a pommel you'd already have ended them rightly

  • @gino14
    @gino14 5 лет назад +6

    Lindybeige showed that spears hard counter swords (assuming no combatants have shields, which actually _reverses_ this relationship) as it takes an incredible amount of skill on the part of the swordsman to counter the spears' range advantage for almost no cost to agility.
    This is made even worse when you consider that all test participants were specialized in swordfighting, meaning they had zero practice with spears... and still managed to defeat their swordsmen peers in nearly every trial.
    Supposedly axemen have the option to catch the spear and negate this mobility, but we'd have to run more tests.

  • @paualamar
    @paualamar 6 лет назад +309

    What is a Lance? A little miserable stick of wood.

    • @Fuzzycat16
      @Fuzzycat16 6 лет назад +24

      Stick of Wood... STICK of WOOD... SERIOUSLY!!!

    • @comradecameron3726
      @comradecameron3726 6 лет назад +8

      Hahahaha no Spears are very sophisticated

    • @gabriel300010
      @gabriel300010 6 лет назад +33

      What is a sword? A little miserable stick of iron.

    • @dynamicworlds1
      @dynamicworlds1 6 лет назад +52

      DelphosPlay paraphrasing a vampire to speak out against pointy shafts of wood....sounds suspicious to me!

    • @rafaelbordoni516
      @rafaelbordoni516 6 лет назад +23

      Your words are as empty as your axe.

  • @Telogor
    @Telogor 6 лет назад +29

    In Fire Emblem, poleaxes and halberds are still axes, and sometimes have effective damage against cavalry.

  • @Bonovasitch
    @Bonovasitch 4 года назад +6

    "A halberd can beat an axe, and a spear, and a sword"
    *Lu Bu has entered the chat*

  • @DaikoruArtwin
    @DaikoruArtwin 6 лет назад +12

    I've always thought the advantages would go like that:
    -Sword vs Axe: The agility of the sword makes it easier to fend the axe away and find an opening to strike
    -Axe vs Lance: The large surface of an axe makes it far easier to protect against the lance's thrust (Just like a shield, except an actual shield is more efficient)
    -Lance vs Sword: On top of being outranged, the small surface of the sword makes it very difficult to guard against the lance's thrust
    But when I look at that one-handed axe you're presenting us... yeah, I'd rather dodge or deflect the lance rather than try blocking it :c

    • @sachiel123
      @sachiel123 3 года назад +1

      "Axe vs Lance: The large surface of an axe makes it far easier to protect against the lance's thrust (Just like a shield, except an actual shield is more efficient)"
      What? You would never try to do do that.

  • @br1_ttv696
    @br1_ttv696 6 лет назад +3

    Skall the new editing you have been doing is amazing! Keep it up man this is awesome. Edit: Forgot to mention very imformative video as well haha.

  • @whichDude
    @whichDude 6 лет назад +26

    Swordmasters will now have a ranged pommel attack in 16!

  • @ShinyDracozolt
    @ShinyDracozolt 6 лет назад

    Hey man, I just discovered your content today--it's really cool to see you go into depth about weapon effectiveness and the like, along with giving actual examples of how they'd be utilized. It's a real treat!

  • @mecha37000fighter
    @mecha37000fighter 6 лет назад

    I can tell you put a lot of work into this video and I wanted to appreciate you for a bit, awesome job Skall!

  • @azuredominion837
    @azuredominion837 6 лет назад +182

    Do a video on the practicality of some of the Melee weapons from Warframe (not including infested weapons)

    • @Chaydex
      @Chaydex 6 лет назад +5

      Yes, I'd love to see this too

    • @FlibbityGibbitGaming
      @FlibbityGibbitGaming 6 лет назад +12

      Scindo prime lol
      But especially some of the stranger weapons like glaive would be cool to see commentary on

    • @drago2210
      @drago2210 6 лет назад +24

      afaik a lot of them are just fantasy designs of real weapons, and then there are those that are pure fantasy. If you want him to do this you might need to give him a list of weapons that he can actually talk about and not be just, yes this one works, this one doesent, you know

    • @chicomaroto
      @chicomaroto 6 лет назад +8

      Would be nice with the recent hype for fortuna

    • @ItsDaKoolaidDude
      @ItsDaKoolaidDude 6 лет назад +1

      Yes pls.

  • @marche800
    @marche800 6 лет назад +20

    The weapon Triangle serves it's purpose while making a decent amount of sense. Fire Emblem being an RPG also has stats to represent a warriors skill which makes the triangle more of a guideline than a hard set of rules. Theres also been tons of special weapon varients through the years that have specific advantages on different types of unites in spite of their weapon types (the armour slayer comes to mind). Fates specifically introduces Lance's, Swords and Axes that are Specifically good at countering what the weapon would otherwise have a disadvantage against once again showing that it isn't a hard set of rules.

    • @fireemblemaddict128
      @fireemblemaddict128 6 лет назад +3

      That's not Fates, reavers have been around for a few generations of FEs by now.

    • @lenlimbo
      @lenlimbo 6 лет назад +2

      The reavers already exist since Fire Emblem Binding Blade (FE 6), so it wasn't something that Fates invented. What was new in Fates is the kodachi as a 1-2 range sword, finally giving the sword users the same coverage that axe and lance users had since the very beggining.

    • @insertname1667
      @insertname1667 5 лет назад

      lenlimbo nope not even new, there was the shadow sword in Sacred Stones which was a 1-2 range but it only appeared in the late game, compared to the javelin and hand axe (though lance users also had the short spear as well oddly enough, and all these could be countered if an archer had a longbow instead).

    • @joyeuse8524
      @joyeuse8524 5 лет назад

      @@insertname1667 There was also the light one, basically magic swords

    • @yujiakweh
      @yujiakweh 5 лет назад

      Introduced in fates oof. The gba games cry in forgotten 😂

  • @QuartzIsAnOxide
    @QuartzIsAnOxide 6 лет назад +50

    Skallagrim just confirmed Minerva is best girl in Fire Emblem!

    • @adamkampen
      @adamkampen 5 лет назад +1

      Want to end things swiftly and look cool doing it? Get you a girl that can do both

    • @ethanc.1443
      @ethanc.1443 4 года назад

      Caeda is better

    • @ericamborsky3230
      @ericamborsky3230 3 года назад

      All but one of the flyers of Archenea are great.

    • @KayossSZ
      @KayossSZ 3 года назад

      @@ericamborsky3230 Poor Est.

  • @kauske
    @kauske 6 лет назад +12

    To be fair, the weapon triangle isn't the end-all be all in FE. Character behind it is worth a lot more of the equation. It's mostly a hit/dodge bonus with a little bit of damage added on. So user 'skill' does factor in via how good the character is, but for weaker characters it's a good boost. The little bonuses from the weapons play in more when you start to stack them. IE an anti-cavalry axe vs a mounted unit with a spear, from experience you can even get 3 and 4 advantages all at once, which can make the situation laughable even for a rubbish character versus a strong opponent.

    • @Haos51
      @Haos51 5 лет назад +3

      So in the end it actually makes his point more valid, that the skill of a user can win a fight, even if it's disadvantageous.

  • @MrLucky5001
    @MrLucky5001 6 лет назад +3

    That might be the best sponsor shout-out I've ever seen.

  • @Crytica.
    @Crytica. 6 лет назад +19

    Can I just say how nice that short sword looks?

  • @dingdong5212
    @dingdong5212 6 лет назад

    Just wanna say I, and your fan base, appreciate all of your effort. You're one of my favorite you tubers. Much love, and may the force be with you Skall

  • @LTSurge8888
    @LTSurge8888 6 лет назад

    Your edition skills are far better since the last time I saw one of your videos, congratulations, I love you contend

  • @ascended8174
    @ascended8174 6 лет назад +11

    0:20 Nice job on the edits

  • @dyju1
    @dyju1 6 лет назад +11

    So, the weapon triangle. Constantly debated, and after practice with some foam weapons i made with my brother, i can say. pretty safely, that it is fairly accurate. Axes can wrench pole arms quite well, in addition, the axes seen in FE have very wide and heavy heads. This makes them as very good impromptu shields, as well. Now, it can be said that an axe head that size and of that weight will be a hindrance, but i am willing to have a slight bit of suspension of disbelief from the fact that most units are unnaturally strong, and it works fairly well. Swords are simple; they can outmaneuver the axe quite well, even in the hand and a half swords that most games portray the standard sword as. Lances, or more accurately spears, as you surmise in the beginning, have the range advantage to both, but someone who has learned to fight well with an axe-like weapon will typically beat an pole arm, simply because of the hooking and blocking or deflecting possible with the side. Now, you are right. Some of the more unique weapons, such as the poleaxe that Minerva has, which is, more accurately the Hauteclere, a magic named weapon, is considered an axe and not a lance, even though it's more than long enough to do so. Well, this comes from the fact that, until Fates I do believe, there was never a slashing lance, such as the naginata. Thus, poleaxes and halberds were more of an axe fair. Effectively, it's still an axe, just with a longer handle. Even using it with two hands, since this was primarily a cavalry (or in the fantasy realm, a wyvern rider) weapon, it lends to itself not to use it choked up at all. With the heft at the tip of it, thusly, it will do what it should- have a ton of power behind it and be able to cleave through cavalry. Now, I'm not sure what exactly Hauteclere did in Fire Emblem, but other poleaxes that are added in later games have this effect. Effectively, it's the crushing power of the axe that makes it strong against lances, along with the other trickery one can pull with hooking and deflecting a thrust-based weapon. Meanwhile, lances are able to out range swords, and most swords don't have the tricks to compete with the range and speed of a spear. And, as said before, swords are too fast and versatile for axes to be used effectively against. And, as you said in your video, skill matters most of all, which is even seen in the series; once you units are strong enough, the notion of a weapon triangle disappears.
    Now, there are the weapons that reverse the triangle, also known as the reaver weapons. The Swordreaver is, effectively, a highly balanced poleaxe that is designed to fight swords. Since it gains the advantage of range, and it manages to retain its speed because of the balancing, it beats most swords. Lancereaver is a sword, meanwhile, in most artworks, appears to have a heavier blade than normal, along with a guard with several curves and hooks, likely to catch and wrench the lance aside, but the heftier weapon reduces mobility against axes. Lastly, Axereaver in the bit art that accompanies most weapons, portrays it as a sort of dual-sided scythe with short blades. I believe the implication with this one is that even if it gets hooked by an axe, the blade protrudes far enough to strike regardless, piercing their guard, while it is far too top-heavy to use effectively against a sword.
    So those are my thoughts on it. I've been playing the series since the release of Sacred Stones, so I've seen most of these quite a few times...Regardless, I do hope this is an interesting read for any who bother.

  • @trevord3969
    @trevord3969 6 лет назад

    Really cool video! Clearly a lot of effort went into this. Subbed

  • @bankasai3120
    @bankasai3120 6 лет назад

    This was very well made. Alot of the arguments you've made hear are ones that I would make whenever I would discuss this with my brother, who is a huge fire emblem fan.

  • @santtu184
    @santtu184 6 лет назад +19

    Hey i would rly like to know you're opinion on the god of war kratos axe from the newest game!

  • @agentofchaos2750
    @agentofchaos2750 6 лет назад +36

    Well, as a massive nerd and fire emblem fan, AND a medieval enthusiast...I feel obligated to weigh in...though at this point nobody will see it.
    In all games where the weapon triangle is present, there are only several ways that each weapon appears:
    Swords: Hand and a half swords/two handed swords on unshielded infantry, shielded and unshielded cavalry. Several protagonists have shields, but do not make use of them (not including flying units)
    Lances: For infantry, are always used with shields. In addition, they are used by unshielded pegasai riders, shielded and unshielded cavalry.
    Axes: Only poleaxes/executioner axes are the only axes present in fire emblem
    As I figure, The sword is more maneuverable than the axe, and with two handed axes you need not worry about distance. The lance (Spear, whatever) has the obvious advantage that comes with having a spear and shield, and with a two-handed axe it's possible to hook the shield and bypass the defense...but that's just my figuring.

    • @FENomadtrooper
      @FENomadtrooper 6 лет назад +6

      There are one handed axes in the series. They're all used for throwing though.

    • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx
      @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx 6 лет назад

      FENomadtrooper
      But weak against Swords.

    • @jooko91
      @jooko91 6 лет назад

      A week late replying to this, mayhaps, but there are one-handed axes used in the series. In the GBA games, the Hero class uses their axe one-handed with a shield, as does the Paladin on horseback. The Pirate class wields two one-handed axes, and the Brigand enemies wield a one-hander with a free hand.

    • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx
      @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx 6 лет назад +2

      +JiiKoo
      Brigands are strong enough to wield an Axe with just One Hand but the weight of an Axe lowers their Speed.

    • @the-operator4003
      @the-operator4003 6 лет назад +1

      Agent of Chaos It also varies by battle sprites. For example; Thieves have tiny little daggers while Mercenaries have blades. And jumping skills.

  • @RolandTheJabberwocky
    @RolandTheJabberwocky 6 лет назад

    Very cool video! For the axe v spear bit that hooking technique never even came to mind for me! As you said after, I always assumed it had to do with axes damaging spears, but hooking makes it way more plausible! As for polearms and weirder weapons yeah the line gets blurred, though you should know that in the game there are weapons that reverse their triangle, so swords have lance breakers, axes have sword slayers, and lances have Axe Killers; so that could explain them.

  • @LuBaLu
    @LuBaLu 6 лет назад +2

    " What is man? A miserable pile of secrets."

  • @malahamavet
    @malahamavet 6 лет назад +13

    The killing yourself effects were very nice!

  • @federico033
    @federico033 6 лет назад +12

    Slowly inching to one million followers. Now if RUclips would monetize you again, that would be great.

    • @GameTimeWhy
      @GameTimeWhy 6 лет назад +1

      federico033 I thought he was monetized again. That sucks they keep messing with his monetization.

  • @Tabbix
    @Tabbix 6 лет назад

    THANK YOU!! I've actually often pondered how to describe the advantages of the weapon triangle for a table top rpg I'm planning for Fire Emblem and for the sake of keeping in the weapon triangle I have to get rid of some realism... but I don't want to say it works "just because". Your description of how an axe could beat a lance user REALLY helps me out! Thank you again!!

  • @ProcyonDei
    @ProcyonDei 4 года назад +2

    The sword can be most advantageous, depending on how fast you can unscrew the pommel.