What if I went endless rage - sudden death - blood frenzy - rampage - single-minded fury - focused rage - consumed by rage. Then switch booming voice to unbridled wrath, leave out the overpower and use 2 super fast daggers while sitting in zerker stance, pool rage for enrage, activate rampage, apply rend and spam execute forever? The super complicated 3 button special? Would that even work?
At this lvl, you will be in full bis+consumes+buffs around 2500 Attack power, wich means, Bloodthirst will be more effective than any other spell if you watch the dmg/rage ratio - it outscales Execute, becouse it doesnt scale with anything except crit chance/crit dmg. Meanwhile with two 1,4 speed daggers, you will get a sudden death proc almost every 7 seconds - and spend all of your rage, which you dont want, becouse its not effective, and still get execcive rage before the proc, what you have to spend somehow, thats why the Heroic Strike spam - and to cover its ineffectiveness, the Blood Surge - Slam procs. At lover gear, around 600-700 GS, without buffs, the Execute spam works fine. Tried it, its fun tho. Later you want to execute only at 10 rage, with BT on CD, and leave time for yourself to get enough rage to use it as soon it is off cd.
There are a few things to consider, there is a high need to decurse/dispel more in MC than other raids, so some of this could be skewed, I know resto pots help with this, but you can't always rely on them
well lucky me, there's no tank that is able to use sword in the group i'm in. :V so dat shit is up for grabs for people that can use it as a dps sword.
@@FenrirFrostborn Yeah, which is a big issue when trying to pump em up for PvE. There's many ways, but idk it seems they're just afraid of having a new Starsurge (tm) situation.
yeah you're right. just need gear to pull off the proper numbers longs you have your situation on warrior you're good once you get the gear together. i was pulling about 1.1k to 1.3k dps but not consisted cause doing mechs in the fight or being caught dying.
you cant rly compare ahlaundo he literally builds a team around himself to push parses you wont see this in 90% of guilds cant believe they gutted wars like that most gear dependant/no healing/still pretty susceptible to cc/ kinda garbo in pvp now/little to no utility/melee only/terrible cleave compared to most classes now too at this point its hard to not just play rogue/enhance.
You could always focus your time on bettering yourself instead of paying to play a beta test that doesn't seem to be enjoyable. Wow is a game not a prison.
The problem I have with the mantra that warriors need gear is: 90% of the warriors are the so called D-Tier trash. Repeating that the class is fine just cause one warrior with: Full world buffs Perfect Raid setup Full consumables Flawless gameplay Insane boss kill times Sets one point miles ahead of anyone else on WCL doesn’t make the class fine. Warriors need to play piano to perform. The rotation - especially with stance dancing in T1 - is retail complex while other classes play normal classic + few buttons. And those classes will outperform every warrior if one of the mentioned points I listed don’t come true. And beware a wipe and your WBs are gone. Then it’s over before it even started. This class is designed around perfect circumstances. I’d much rather have a class with a higher skill floor and a lower skill ceiling. I know that warrior balancing is hard, but the current state is far from a good solution.
Most wow players aren't good and playing a hit and get hit class like warrior isn't helping them. Yes world buffs help a lot but gear/rage scaling will soon take over. Blizzard knows what's to come. There's a reason they took the damage from our runes away and put it on our tier set in the form of stance dancing. You will see the difference in performance soon.
Doesn't the one outlier of Warrior DPS right now just get his gear funneled to him? I seem to remember there are a couple that do that which is no wonder they are outliers.
@@Davidhenry1210 yeah guys just wait. 16 months after season of discovery launch, warriors will finally do competitive damage for a single raid oooooo: you guys are just impatient
@@knarf427 dude im in .5 and prebis, got stuck in a non wild strikes group... RL asks why im doing 300-500 dps 'is it my gear'. like huh!?! i have ED from kazzak and FS from rend, i have to bring 382734908 consumes and sweat and pump just to keep up with the lower end dps who are just spamming wrath or some shit...
Bad take. Hunter always performs near the top during MC in classic and then drops off a ledge. Hunter does not scale well at all compared to other physical dps classes such as rogue and warrior
You're talking about the classic hunter. This isn't classic, it's SoD. Hunter scales A LOT better now, especially with agility being so strong. Ranged survival Hunter will be top 3 DPS a long time, you will see.
Bad take. With expose weakness, Lone Wolf and Survival Tree Agility is like 2.5x more effective in converting to damage than in classic. Also, now we're getting gear focused on just agility instead of crappy attack power pieces. Hunters are arguably one of the best scalers in the game now.
A normal poor warrior will NOT get gear. PERIOD. They will never get runs bec their dps suck w/o gear. it is a vicious cycle on every FKing phase. by the time a poor warrior get all their neccesary gear. the MOFO phase is over and NOBODY GIVE A FK. FACT
What does being poor have to do with it? GDKP is banned in SOD. You have to win the rolls. Or if your guild has some corrupt loot council system that never gives you a drop then leave guild. That is not normal at all. As far as needing money for your consumes and such, you can make like 75g a day from 20min of eruption dailies. Spend the other 40 mins doing regular questing and you make like 125g in an hour. Do that every day for like 10 days and suddenly you have your crafted helm and epic mount like everyone else who isn't "poor". In game gold is simply a reflection of the amount of time spent playing. The more you play, the more you'll have.
I'm a Prot Warrior for my guild, I get gear all the time. Maybe you should try tanking. The gear is somewhat similar, but you do get a bit of priority when it comes to a few choice pieces. We only have Druid and Pally Off tanks so plate that drops that's defensive I get a first crack at. It helps our other guild warriors are Dps.
Sad part is they wont nerf rogues since they are understaffed and these sod designers are way 2 new to understand class balance. No point in playing p4 i guess since pvp will just be rogue braindead spam.
It’s pretty much confirmed that people never really liked the warrior class. They just like being OP. 😂 I do think they nerfed warriors a little too much but seeing all the cry baby’s is pretty funny though
The problem is that warrior players are not contempt with being a competitive dps class now with a super important buff for the raid, they feel they have a god given right to be #1 every phase. Any other class would be happy to be the second best class in the game, not warriors though
@@sanmedina i love the warrior playstyle thats the only reason why i keep playing it and cope that it will still be worth but realistically if you actually play the class you can see how sod is very bad for warriors you perform badly compared to almost all other classes in every other aspect of the game then pve and now even in pve youre doing pretty mid its hard to not just switch to rogue or shaman if you like playing a melee character.
Warriors are the worst levelers. They are slow, struggle to chain pull and without victory rush need to eat after every pull. You are mostly relegated to grinding green mobs and will struggle against anything your level. Warriors are the worst gold farmers. You can do DM jump runs but so can everyone else. Can a Warrior walk into Strat, put on a shield and solo AOE tank the whole place like a Paladin can? Can they find a spot int he world, round up 20 mobs and AOE them down like a Mage? Warriors are the worst class in pvp. This isn't even contested and self explanatory. Warriors are the most gear reliant class. Every bit of damage is physical. Their utility isn't enough to warrant them being brought for content so they need to rely on their damage or ability to tank. As it stands, they may just be the worst tank in the game in terms of DPS and their threat generation is potentially the worst. So, when all is said and done, what good is a Warrior? Historically they were the pumper class that you would invest time, resources and gear into so it could hit hard. What good is the class if everyone else can do everything they can do, but better and with less investment?
warriors over. feels bad. just a utility class now. you only take warrior if you dont have onyxia buff and onyxia buff drops every 2 minutes so GG. warriors suck. sad. guess i gotta re roll and be even farther behind now
What if I went endless rage - sudden death - blood frenzy - rampage - single-minded fury - focused rage - consumed by rage. Then switch booming voice to unbridled wrath, leave out the overpower and use 2 super fast daggers while sitting in zerker stance, pool rage for enrage, activate rampage, apply rend and spam execute forever? The super complicated 3 button special? Would that even work?
At this lvl, you will be in full bis+consumes+buffs around 2500 Attack power, wich means, Bloodthirst will be more effective than any other spell if you watch the dmg/rage ratio - it outscales Execute, becouse it doesnt scale with anything except crit chance/crit dmg. Meanwhile with two 1,4 speed daggers, you will get a sudden death proc almost every 7 seconds - and spend all of your rage, which you dont want, becouse its not effective, and still get execcive rage before the proc, what you have to spend somehow, thats why the Heroic Strike spam - and to cover its ineffectiveness, the Blood Surge - Slam procs. At lover gear, around 600-700 GS, without buffs, the Execute spam works fine. Tried it, its fun tho. Later you want to execute only at 10 rage, with BT on CD, and leave time for yourself to get enough rage to use it as soon it is off cd.
There are a few things to consider, there is a high need to decurse/dispel more in MC than other raids, so some of this could be skewed, I know resto pots help with this, but you can't always rely on them
1st thunderfury goes to the main tank. Period.
well lucky me, there's no tank that is able to use sword in the group i'm in. :V so dat shit is up for grabs for people that can use it as a dps sword.
@@Warzol yo let me in the group youre in pls
@@strange.277 nah dawg. >:V
@@Warzol I tried
Monkey paw curls. Maintank is rogue.
Us Balance Druids are just fucked man. We don't scale, and we're still at the bottom.
they absolutely are broken in pvp.
by broken i mean fuck them, they do too much damage.
@@FenrirFrostborn Yeah, which is a big issue when trying to pump em up for PvE. There's many ways, but idk it seems they're just afraid of having a new Starsurge (tm) situation.
@@FenrirFrostborn casters blow boomies up tho
yeah you're right. just need gear to pull off the proper numbers longs you have your situation on warrior you're good once you get the gear together. i was pulling about 1.1k to 1.3k dps but not consisted cause doing mechs in the fight or being caught dying.
you cant rly compare ahlaundo he literally builds a team around himself to push parses you wont see this in 90% of guilds cant believe they gutted wars like that most gear dependant/no healing/still pretty susceptible to cc/ kinda garbo in pvp now/little to no utility/melee only/terrible cleave compared to most classes now too at this point its hard to not just play rogue/enhance.
You could always focus your time on bettering yourself instead of paying to play a beta test that doesn't seem to be enjoyable. Wow is a game not a prison.
Retail complex, warriors in retail are like mashing 2 buttons
You got green logs yea?
@@fourseasondnb fury warrior in mythic ? I m not saying sod is harder by no means, but warrior dps is not a good comparisson to complex
The problem I have with the mantra that warriors need gear is:
90% of the warriors are the so called D-Tier trash.
Repeating that the class is fine just cause one warrior with:
Full world buffs
Perfect Raid setup
Full consumables
Flawless gameplay
Insane boss kill times
Sets one point miles ahead of anyone else on WCL doesn’t make the class fine.
Warriors need to play piano to perform. The rotation - especially with stance dancing in T1 - is retail complex while other classes play normal classic + few buttons.
And those classes will outperform every warrior if one of the mentioned points I listed don’t come true.
And beware a wipe and your WBs are gone. Then it’s over before it even started.
This class is designed around perfect circumstances.
I’d much rather have a class with a higher skill floor and a lower skill ceiling.
I know that warrior balancing is hard, but the current state is far from a good solution.
Most wow players aren't good and playing a hit and get hit class like warrior isn't helping them. Yes world buffs help a lot but gear/rage scaling will soon take over. Blizzard knows what's to come. There's a reason they took the damage from our runes away and put it on our tier set in the form of stance dancing. You will see the difference in performance soon.
Yeah it's sad but I will pick any other dps than a war dps.. it's really sad when they only do 300dps in raid
Doesn't the one outlier of Warrior DPS right now just get his gear funneled to him? I seem to remember there are a couple that do that which is no wonder they are outliers.
@@Davidhenry1210 yeah guys just wait. 16 months after season of discovery launch, warriors will finally do competitive damage for a single raid oooooo: you guys are just impatient
@@knarf427 dude im in .5 and prebis, got stuck in a non wild strikes group... RL asks why im doing 300-500 dps 'is it my gear'. like huh!?! i have ED from kazzak and FS from rend, i have to bring 382734908 consumes and sweat and pump just to keep up with the lower end dps who are just spamming wrath or some shit...
Why dont He use any consumebles?
so rogue is best for pvp and pve lovely balance
it is also a great source of vitamin C and it's been proven to fix squeaky door hinges slightly better than placebo
Rogues get smoked in pvp. Elemental sham runs wild.
All I see is a bunch of cry baby bitching... get over It and get better at the game...
pvp balance : " )
Ele shams and Hunters smoke everything in SOD PvP.
Bad take. Hunter always performs near the top during MC in classic and then drops off a ledge. Hunter does not scale well at all compared to other physical dps classes such as rogue and warrior
warrior will never reach the high end of the meters, they were nerfed into oblivion on purpose.
You're talking about the classic hunter. This isn't classic, it's SoD. Hunter scales A LOT better now, especially with agility being so strong. Ranged survival Hunter will be top 3 DPS a long time, you will see.
Bad take. With expose weakness, Lone Wolf and Survival Tree Agility is like 2.5x more effective in converting to damage than in classic. Also, now we're getting gear focused on just agility instead of crappy attack power pieces. Hunters are arguably one of the best scalers in the game now.
You’re comment is a bad take 😂 this is sod not classic a lot has changed
@@FenrirFrostborn na dog they will pump
At what point of this video is there actually a tierlist?
I'm mixing up the format a little, if people don't like this better I'll go back to the normal ol' tiermaker.com
@@sanmedina don't cater to him.
can we now be honest about how dogshit warrior is?
they overnerfed and they did it on purpose to break the class.
yup. utility class now
@@strange.277 yessir
@@FenrirFrostborn just use one as a tank then you dont need any other and replace with a better dps.
A normal poor warrior will NOT get gear. PERIOD. They will never get runs bec their dps suck w/o gear. it is a vicious cycle on every FKing phase. by the time a poor warrior get all their neccesary gear. the MOFO phase is over and NOBODY GIVE A FK. FACT
Seems to me like you need to leave your guild
What does being poor have to do with it? GDKP is banned in SOD. You have to win the rolls. Or if your guild has some corrupt loot council system that never gives you a drop then leave guild. That is not normal at all. As far as needing money for your consumes and such, you can make like 75g a day from 20min of eruption dailies. Spend the other 40 mins doing regular questing and you make like 125g in an hour. Do that every day for like 10 days and suddenly you have your crafted helm and epic mount like everyone else who isn't "poor". In game gold is simply a reflection of the amount of time spent playing. The more you play, the more you'll have.
Unless you are a streamer in a guild if not good luck not sucking
I'm a Prot Warrior for my guild, I get gear all the time. Maybe you should try tanking. The gear is somewhat similar, but you do get a bit of priority when it comes to a few choice pieces. We only have Druid and Pally Off tanks so plate that drops that's defensive I get a first crack at. It helps our other guild warriors are Dps.
@@Thebotulism not everyone wanted to get shoehorned into tanking as warrior because blizz decided to nuke both dps specs.
Sad part is they wont nerf rogues since they are understaffed and these sod designers are way 2 new to understand class balance. No point in playing p4 i guess since pvp will just be rogue braindead spam.
but they nerfed FoK, so its justified what they did to arms warriors
It’s pretty much confirmed that people never really liked the warrior class. They just like being OP. 😂 I do think they nerfed warriors a little too much but seeing all the cry baby’s is pretty funny though
The problem is that warrior players are not contempt with being a competitive dps class now with a super important buff for the raid, they feel they have a god given right to be #1 every phase.
Any other class would be happy to be the second best class in the game, not warriors though
@@sanmedina i love the warrior playstyle thats the only reason why i keep playing it and cope that it will still be worth but realistically if you actually play the class you can see how sod is very bad for warriors you perform badly compared to almost all other classes in every other aspect of the game then pve and now even in pve youre doing pretty mid its hard to not just switch to rogue or shaman if you like playing a melee character.
Warriors are the worst levelers. They are slow, struggle to chain pull and without victory rush need to eat after every pull. You are mostly relegated to grinding green mobs and will struggle against anything your level.
Warriors are the worst gold farmers. You can do DM jump runs but so can everyone else. Can a Warrior walk into Strat, put on a shield and solo AOE tank the whole place like a Paladin can? Can they find a spot int he world, round up 20 mobs and AOE them down like a Mage?
Warriors are the worst class in pvp. This isn't even contested and self explanatory.
Warriors are the most gear reliant class. Every bit of damage is physical. Their utility isn't enough to warrant them being brought for content so they need to rely on their damage or ability to tank. As it stands, they may just be the worst tank in the game in terms of DPS and their threat generation is potentially the worst.
So, when all is said and done, what good is a Warrior? Historically they were the pumper class that you would invest time, resources and gear into so it could hit hard. What good is the class if everyone else can do everything they can do, but better and with less investment?
warriors over. feels bad. just a utility class now. you only take warrior if you dont have onyxia buff and onyxia buff drops every 2 minutes so GG. warriors suck. sad. guess i gotta re roll and be even farther behind now
I liked it first 🎉
warrior is a worst garbage dps in a phase 4? @we're fine guys@😂
would assume mid most likely hunter/rogue/shaman will remain above wars.
say whatever you want but fuck fury this aint vanilla, give me a viable fucking arms spec without taking it completely away...