12 Ways COBRA KAI got American Karate RIGHT
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- COBRA KAI IS SWEEPING (THE LEG OF) THE NATION. While we already broke down some fight scenes of Season 1 and Season 2 of Cobra Kai which is now on Netflix, I saw that Jesse Enkamp (the karate nerd) broke down the main issue in the lineage of Okinawan Karate that Cobra Kai's Miyagi Do makes!! So while the lineage of Miyagi Do might be a little confusing still, there are some things that Cobra Kai did well on the American Karate portrayal!! Its thought that Cobra Kai Karate is Shotokan or a Korean version of Shotokan (Tang Soo Do), but regardless, Johnny Lawrence and Kreese aren't a terrible representation of what karate in America looks like!! We also talk about Miguel Diaz, Robby Keene, Daniel LaRusso, Samantha LaRusso, Tory, and more! The Cobra Kai Fight Scenes were awesome, but now lets break down the 12 ways Cobra Kai got American Karate, just right.. like sparring, equipment, athletic performance in martial arts, karate demo, the grey area of strike first strike hard no mercy, and even how kicks get chicks!!
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What would YOU change about Cobra Kai?!
Sensei Seth the release date of season 3
mr curry haha good one!
Nothing,maybe
Aris Kounadis dang!! ThTs high praise
I’d have u correograph the fights lol😂
I practice hapkido and we wear black gis. The funny part is that immediatly after the hapkido class happens the karate class and they wear white gis. I remember talking to my friends "Man, I think we are the bad guys here" lol
Hahaha that’s aweome
Same when I used to practice hap ki do, but I was always into the black gi
nah, you just bought the cosmetic dlc. they guys that bought the season pass have blue gi.(oh, and would hapkido "gi's" be dobak? thats hat we called them in tang soo do)
It is a toeboek in hapkido and not -gi which means clothing. The proper terms for Okinawa/Japanese martial arts clothing are the generic dogi or the more specific karategi. There is no plural for ANY of their words. Not using the proper term is another Western screw-up.
And here I am deciding between my blue gi or buying a new orange one for BJJ.
Johnny: What's that thing you're wearing?
Student: Sensei, I have COVID.
Johnny: *rips off mask* Not anymore!
Hahahaha that’s hilarious
weakness does not exist in this dojo does it!?
NO SENSEI
Pain does not exist in this dojo does it?!
NO SENSEI
What "Cobra Kai" also got right about "American Karate" with the Characters of "John Kreese" and "Terry Silver": Many of the 1960/70s Karate pioneers did take Karate-classes while they were enlisted in the Armed Forces (when you are in a "Military Base" you often have free time, but nowhere to go, so you go to a gym for example):
Chuck Norris- Tang Soo Do while stationed in Korea
Pat E. Johnson (the "Karate Kid" stunt Coordinator and first Teacher of William Zabka)-Tang Soo Do while stationed in Korea
Skipper Mullins- Taekwondo while in the National Guard
Joe Lewis-Shorin -Ryu while in a Marine Corps Base
Bill "Superfoot" Wallace- Shorin-Ryu while in the Air Force
Elvis Presley (yeah, yeah, not a Karate Legend)- Shotokan Karate while stationed in Germany at Jürgen Seydels Karate Club
That’s all awesome, love it
@@SenseiSeth actually if I remember well, when Terry Silver comes up into Miyagi's dojo he introduces himself as a disciple from a Korean Sensei, so this Tang Soo Do link makes all sense.
@@davidguerra143 you remember right, "Terry Silver" mentionend a Grandmaster of "Cobra Kai" who is in South Korea and has an obviously korean Name: "Kim Sun-Yung".
This was intentionally, I think.
The truth about the korean styles, like Mo Duk Kwan/Tang Soo Do/So Bakh Do and Taekwondo was, that their founders were military personal who learned mostly Shotokan Karate from japanese soldiers while under japanese occupation before and around WW2. That is how Karate came to Korea.
But after WW2, most of the "Korean Karate Masters" had a big problem, because they were practically people, who were soldiers and policemen working for the japanese supressors. Since Korea was freed from japanese occupation, even the cultural connection of "Korean Karate" to "Japanese Karate" was something very negative and the korean karateka began to deny the roots of their martial art. Koreans hated everthing japanese for good reasons.
"The Mo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do", that Chuck Norris and Pat E. Johnson learned, was in "Kihon" and "Kata" very much like Shotokan Karate. You can still see this in many "American Tang Soo Do" that they have basically the same Katas with deep stances, but with korean names. Some changes were in kicks.
But @Sensei Seth: Tang Soo Do and also "American Tang Soo Do" should still be considered as "Korean Karate Style" rather than "Taekwondo". www.usadojo.com/quest-for-the-truth-the-origin-of-tang-soo-dos-forms/#:~:text=Hwang%20Kee%2C%20founder%20of%20Tang%20Soo%20Do%2C%20claimed,first%20met%20Han%20Chi%20Sup%20in%20August%201984.
@@FredKuneDo, awesome reply! Thanks for sharing all this knowledge. Will check for old books because this lineage is fascinating.
Good grief Terry's character in the third movie was appalling. He had that stupid laugh that sounded fake. Always preferred Kreese as the villain over Terry.
I like how unapologetic you are about American martial arts being their own thing. I’m not a big fan of authenticity snobs- which seems to happen a lot with discussions of Chinese food outside of China. Food snobs are like “Actually orange chicken isn’t authentic Chinese food!” Meanwhile, I’m over here in China like “Settle down food snob! Orange chicken is delicious! I’ll take that over coagulated pigs blood and sheep intestines any day!”
Hahaha that’s EXACTLY why I put the fortune cookie! It wasn’t a thing until Americans made it 😂😂
This is a common modern issue with everything related to arts. Even if something is uncomfortable, plain stupid or useless some people won't drop it because "muh tradition" even if historically you could name a lot of things that were left behind just because it was pointless to keep them.
The same thing applies to contamination of different cultures, where in the past we used to take from the others and adapt to our own culture now seems like every kind of contamination is an abomination, that's why American Karate is viewed as bullshido, just because you can actually see and track down his history comfortably sitting on the couch and that looks bad.
We have an issue for things that are not considered "culture" simply because everything was recorded in a video. Cringe.
I promise authentic Chinese food isn't all coagulated pigs blood and intestines :( We also have stuff like dimsum, fried noodles, peking duck, and a lot of other dishes (dunno the english words for them, but a lot of our dishes are spicy)
(Honestly though, orange chicken isn't that bad in my opinion)
Great now want some orange chicken
Agreed, and love your channel too!
I started in "Shaolin Kempo" when I was a little kid. It was a pretty half assed school. They did some cool concentration training and the physical conditioning was pretty damn good though. As for fighting skills though, not so much.
When I was about 14, around 1989-1990, I joined a hard core, old school Shotokan "club". The sensei charged the same club dues that he did back in the 70's. It was old school as hell and I loved it. No pads, no mouthguards and a hard wood floor that turned into an ice rink when we really got going.
I have seen a lot of karate training be utterly useless in real life altercations but that sensei and some of his top students were like wrecking balls.
If you were a kid, your report card was checked by the sensei, if you were a shit head outside of the dojo, you paid for it with punishment in the dojo and you had to make things right or else you were out of there.
We did daito ryu as well as Shotokan so it was pretty damn well rounded for a pre Gracie era curriculum.
Where can one find this old school Shotokan school?
Wrecking balls... Ouch no thanks
@@kbanghart Weak
Shoutout to poor childhood training in Shaolin Kempo! Shoutout to finding a school later that teaches much more efficient fighting skills, too.
@@TheLuconic Not from a Jedi.
I'm from Brazil and loved this video cuz not many people talk about the differences between American Karate and Japanese Karate. In Brazil, the Japanese roots are strong, if you go to the class with a black gi or another color they'll send you home, or asking to change your gi even if someone has to lend one gi for you wear, in all styles of Karate. I'm from Kyokushin, that's not considered a TMA but we only use white gis here in Brazil, and I've been a student of some famous guys such as Francisco Filho, Glaube Feitosa and trained with Ewerton Teixeira, had to say that black gi would never be accepted in Brazil, only in BJJ.
But this is awesome in my opinion, cuz even if we have strong Japanese roots we developed our own way to do Karate, in all styles, and u can see this just looking how all this legend's of K1 fought in their days. American as well, Bill "Superfoot" Wallace is an example of this. And this happened in the former URSS as well, they trained and adapted Karate for their goals, It was extremely deadly and later on was forbidden by the government, only the militaries could train Karate.
For me, this is the real beauty of Karate is so versatile that can assume different' characteristics... There are, indeed, ways of doing Karate!!
English is not my first language, sorry for some mistake.
Massa ver um brasileiro por aqui
@@lucaraujo1 We are everywhere like KGB agents infiltrate in the whole RUclips, there isn't any channel that can sneaky out of us, WE ARE BRAZILIANS!! 🇧🇷
Thanks for the watch bro! I’m happy I could clear some stuff up!
@@SenseiSeth I should be thanking U!!
As I said my background is Kyokushin so I usually fight in a more squared stance, and your videos especially the sparring with Wonderboy helped a lot cuz now I'm starting to explore the sideways stance. I can't be offensive with this stance but I'm really good in use her in a more defensive way, have to say this sideways stance took my ass out of danger a lot of times in Kickboxing and MMA training. 😆
Keep up with the good work bro!!!
@NickCabral this is similar to what we have in Spain. I have never seen anyone in the Karate community here use a black gi. Interesting comment about Russia, I lived in Moscow for two years and you are totally correct, karate is coming back now due to the impulse of it becoming an Olympic sport. Many Russians of course will default to systema or judo before thinking of taking up karate and MMA has completely taken over in the Caucasus as a way for kids to find a future and perhaps escape poverty. I would be interested in seeing a Brazilian karate dojo next time I am there.
I trained in Tang Soo Do from 1979 to 1982. My instructor was Korean so we got a more traditional take on Tang Soo Do, but I remember that there was also American Tang Soo Do. And what I remember about the American Tang Soo Do schools was, they had a reputation for a harder style, the contact was greater in sparring. And while we learned things like take downs, strikes to the throat, and leg sweeps, we didn't do them in sparring for safety reasons. Supposedly, the American Tang Soo Do schools did.
I can still remember how during my school's tournament when my instructor was explaining the rules to all the participants, one of the American Tang Soo Do adult black belts asked why they couldn't do spinning back fists to the face and LEG SWEEPS, as he said at his school, those things were legal.
My instructor stared him down and invited the guy to a no rules fight. The other guy backed down.
So getting back to Cobra Kai, I can see how the original Cobra Kai from the movie, as well as the Cobra Kai Johnny Lawrence teaches is American Tang Soo Do if they stripped out all the tradition and substituted American attitude for traditional Korean values. And, in the case of the original movie and even a bit in the TV series, where the head instructor is a bit of a nut.
Ruleset within karate exhibitions are an interesting thing for sure
I'm a black belt in moo du Kwan TANGSOODO. We never wore the traditional midnight blue belt. Every time a guy would wear the midnight blue belt to a tournament they would put them with the blue belts when sparring instead of with other black belts..
@@benmollitor3776 In Moo Duk Kwan (btw) they all wore midnight blue belts and they still do. There is no such thing as a blue belt in Tang Soo Do - unless from where you trained they added more colors to the belts. But Tang Soo Do belts are very specific as to the colors and why they are that color, so I don't believe that there would be a variation of blue belt to Black Belt. Do you understand the reasoning behind why Tang Soo Do wears Midnight Blue and not black?
I loved doing sweeps in sparring, but we were only allowed to do them if both sides agreed to it.
The show is full of amazing well crafted details. There's a part in episode 2 (or 3 i don't remember well) were Miguel is cleaning the Windows and ask Johnny if he's doing it right and Johnny replies "i don't give a shit", this settles for knowing that Cobra Kai and Miyagi do are way to different styles. And this goes beyond dialogues, later both Miguel and Robby get into fights. Miguel does a big brawl kicking, punching and knocking guys out with whatever he got in hand in the school. While Robby is more Focus, calm and just counter punching when he was fighting his friends. I swear, the writers are amazing.
I started doing karate in the late 70’s when I was 7 years old. I was actually learning Tae Kwon Do, but it was called and billed as karate. No one had any idea what Tae Kwon Do was back then, and it was heavily influenced by Shotokan back in the day, so it looked very similar to traditional karate. At the time Karate got you students and Tae Kwon Do didn’t, much different from today. Later I got involved in American Karate and yes, there is actually a style called “American Karate”. American karate got its start under Grandmaster Robert Trias, who open the first Karate school in the US run by a westerner, in 1946 in Arizona. In 1972 GM Trias approached my current Grandmaster Jerry Piddington to start his own “American” style of karate and American Open Style Karate was born. GM Piddington and Joe Corley went on to write the first rules for American full contact karate for the PKA and have trained many pro fighters over the decades. Just a little American karate history for you. Keep up the good work and yes, black gi’s do rock.
Woah, that’s a super cool Karate origin story!!
I'm a big fan of the show. I grew up on Karate Kid and Bruce Lee movies
They did a great job!
im becoming a big fan of Seth. I did Karate as a kid but moved house a lot and had a pretty rough home life in those days so I never stuck with anything. I haven't really regained any tangible interest in Karate itself but over the last 6 months or so I've gained an interest in marshal arts videos on YT, and Seth seems like a pretty cool dude that happens to be really entertaining 😁
Omg same
" kicks get chicks " sensei seth 2020
I don't know anything about American Karate, but Cobra Kai got me back into karate after 20 years. Found a local karate club (we don't have permanent dojos here in the UK) and I've been training 3 times a week for the past month in JKA shotokan style. We haven't been sparring due to covid and social distancing, but we've been doing a lot of kihon, kumite drills and kata and I love every minute of it.
#13 Everybody wears awesome 80’s style headbands.
Totally accurate to every post-TMNT American martial arts class.
Haha I gotta admit I’ve never seen anybody in Karate wear a headband
Sensei Seth They’ll never win the All Valley at that rate then.
To be fair, they didn’t live in the valley 😂
@@SenseiSeth bro one kid at the class I used to go to wore a Karate Kid headband
@@SenseiSeth Bro, I got one with my gold-embossed Wal-Mart white belt in 1991 in South Carolina. AND it had the dragon doji like in TMNT. I was HYPED.
this is completely accurate for my childhood American karate experience. You hit every point. wow. Also yes to more cobra kai of course, Also black gis and rolled sleeves all the way. haha
Haha you got it!!
I studied Kenpo for 6 years from when I was a teenager till I was 22. This is such an honest breakdown of how American martial arts work. The truth is there are pros and cons to both approaches and to say that everything the American's do is bad and everything the Japanese do is good would over simplify it. By the way I found this channel by youtube recommending it to me. I watched Cobra Kai series and started watching the Art of one dojo channel and then I was recommended to this channel. I have subscribed to both. I miss the 90's when people actually trained in dojos and not just MMA. I really hope Cobra Kai brings it back because my old Kenpo school is closed and there are no real schools for adults unless it is Jujitsu or Muay Thai.
Glad I articulated it the way I wanted!! Art of One Dojo makes great content!
You make a good point, a lot of the traditional arts have been killed by BJJ and MMA/Thai boxing. In a way it is a bit like hair bands in the late 80's. The scene got watered down and the talent was not there anymore. Times were changing and tastes were changing . Us traditional practitioners should have learned from this and made sure that we aren't just teaching dead static forms. That's the beauty of the western or American way. Pressure test what you do and trim the fat so that the art can be used as intended. None of these systems were meant to be in museums, they were meant to grow and adapt with time.
I agree the arts changed over time in China and Japan. I imagine that when Kung Fu first arrived to China from India it was very different and over the years the Chinese changed it. Then the Japanese changed it more when they brought it over to Japan and created Karate. Now the American's are changing it. I do hope that Cobra Kai brings back some more traditional Martial Arts. Here in California we have crazy covid restrictions and so many strip malls have empty space. because everything is going out of business. I can imagine when this goes away some traditional schools can get some retails space for a good price and bring it back.
in alot of areas karate is dying out...which is sad, especially for the ones that were not mcdojos....
Nigiri Game (Pronounced Nee-GeeRee Gah-May) are the clay jars you use to pick up with your fingers.
Thank you Carlos!!
I didn't know that's what they are called but it totally makes sense since "nigiri(握り）" is the nominalized form of the verb "nigiru(握る）" which means "to clasp, grasp, grip" and "kame（甕）" means "earthenware pot" :-). "kame" becomes "game" when combined with "nigiri" into the compound word.
Take XL protein powder jars and fill them with gravel and/or sand.
Or even water.
You get the same effect.
When this pandemic finishes would you ever travel to Okinawa anywhere in Japan to see how different their training is compared to America?
I totally will. I’ll go full Karate Nerd on them
18 years in tang soo do... 1980 to 1998.
We kicked, punched, chokes take downs,
We didn't bunny hop which is not taught just done.
I am 8 martial arts in right now. Trying to learn Muay Thai at 55 is very rough.. But I have great speed and 15 years of full contact tournament fighting from 1980 to the end of 1995.
No head gear, no chest protection, just a cup and mouth piece..
I got in trouble a lot for liver kicks in the 80s...yeah we did it long before Bas made them known
I’m in Muay Thai classes at the moment too!! Always learning! The no protection thing is super interesting to me
Plot twist the pandemic never ends
@@SenseiSeth I'd watch that vlog
Strength and conditioning, the use of weights isn't really an American thing, because in old Okinawan photos of karate master you see them lifting strongmen barbells and such. Carrying clay water urns filled with water serves the same purpose as weight and strength training. It's not like the orginal masters of Karate, didn't know the great importance of physical fitness and strength in martial arts.
That’s dope!
@@SenseiSeth you are clearly a fake martial artist. cant believe anyone would ever believe you.
@@antlerr So.... Where's the link to " YOUR" RUclips channel? Show us how it's done?
antlerr hahaha troll
@@therealjesus1317 because i said truth you call me names wow pathetic truly the world has become mindless, but makes sense after all your name is a made up fake troll to begin with never was a jesus and if there actually was well he was a god damb jew do you forget that hahahaha says plain as day in the bible if read that is easy to see how jokeable religion is.
to a foreigner, this video is such a good summary of the American ethos/spirit overall...
🙏👍
I found it really informative (I'm a, Brit, never been to either America or Okinawa). So much of what I've heard and read previously suggests that Americans are crap at martial arts, but I like this explanation. Bin off the cultural stuff and jump right in. Makes perfect sense when compared to a middle aged white office worker trying to speak Japanese while wearing pyjamas in a rented hall.
@@anftrew3775 Really depends on how you define martial arts. The US has a substantial history of great boxers and wrestlers. From the Olympics, to the pros, to MMA etc.
The stunt/fight choreographer for Cobra Kai is Hiro Koda. His father, Yuki Koda, brought Yoshukai karate to the US from Japan in the 1970s and started the USYKA circuit. Hiro grew up in the American karate scene competing in NBL/Naska in the early 90s.
That’s so cool! Have any videos on him?
Sensei Seth yeah - sorry there was a typo in the original comment. Supposed to be Hiro Koda. There are a bunch of old videos of him on RUclips doing musical kata, full contact, etc. Funny story, he and his brother were actually in a super old kids karate VHS with Martin Kove.
Whoa! I am a parkour coach and EVERYTHING you had said here can be applied to parkour schools too! Crazy...
But I always had said that parkour is very much like a martial art.
That’s dope!!
@@SenseiSeth No, YOU are dope ;)
Nope, uno reverse. You
I've been practicing traditional Okinawan karate for 42 years....
During that time, I also picked up American kenpo. I found that the teaching style was way more casual and relaxed, in English, and far more effective for reaching everyone in the class. I no longer do American Kenpo, I teach Okinawan karate, but I use the teaching techniques that I had learned during my decade of integrating American kenpo into my training regiment. I learned more about the "whys" in Okinawan karate from the system that Ed Parker created than anywhere else.
I'm half Japanese on my mother's side so I'm well integrated and versed in the culture, but this isn't Japan. I found that it made more sense to translate Japanese culture into "American culture " than to sell a foreign culture to a North American audience.
This was a great video.
Ossu
Rei
You should visit Okinawa and maybe hard spar with some fighters there so you can experience the difference for yourself .
Probably would make a good string of videos
Would love to!
Splendid idea
@@SenseiSeth Full body armor vs Okinawan karate?
Might have to start watching this Cobra Kai
It’s good!!
Yes, you might
Best show out there brings back the best decade ever the 80s.
@@jeffbayliss6167 I still haven’t started it yet🙈
Well get on it season 3 be here before you know it jan 8th.
I practice Kyokushin, somewhen I gotta use a cobra Kai headband and Gi in a competition 😂
And be like „STRIKE FIRST, STRIKE HARD, NO MERCY!“🤣😂
That saying very much applies to Kyokushin lol; it's brutal! I never knew they had bare knuckle kumite before I learned about it. You're a beast!
@@FilmaticProductions bare Knuckles doesn't make punch harder or any thing.
Gloves are there to protect your hands
@@deathstroke8376 I halfway agree because you if you don't know how to properly throw a punch, a bare fist makes little difference. Yes, the force itself of the blow will not change (gloves, no gloves), and there is potential for the person throwing the punch to injure themselves, BUT, if you've trained for hours punching a makiwara or even a sandbag/heavy bag with your bare fist with the proper technique, it can be devastating because its not a gloved hand. It's bone wrapped in a thin layer of skin.
@@deathstroke8376 lol have you ever got hit by a gyaku tsuki without gloves on? There's a huge difference. It hurts much more.
@@FilmaticProductionsthe problem is skull is harder than your hand bones
I really dug this video, i come from a very traditional Japanese background and the past few years have been trying to make a living teaching and i have found these are some of the adjustments ive had to make.
Glad you enjoyed it!!
Best part of it cobra kai is the fight scenes actually feel like karate and not just random moves into its own style
Sensei. I've done Okinawan/Japanese Karate all my life and I have no idea about the American one, even your explanation about it was vague (LOL).
Can you make a video speaking about a standard American Karate syllabus or something like that?
Do they practice the Shotokan kata?
The Karate Kid will always have a special significance to me as it was the movie that my late wife and I saw on our first date in 1984. It also lit a spark in me to start a martial arts journey. I began with American Taekwondo, but after having gotten stationed for a tour in South Korea in the military, I quickly saw the differences. As I continued my MA journey, I studied styles in both Okinawan and Japanese Karate systems. The “militarization” of Karate by the Japanese in the 1930’s gave it the rigid, linear forms we see today in the crisp katas. I went on the study 2 styles in the Kung Fu (Gongfu) system as Okinawan, Japanese, and Korean martial arts have roots in them. One can see vast differences in the various styles of the Kung Fu system as well. When it came time to actually settle on an art to master and teach, I chose an Okinawan style, but incorporated techniques from other systems and styles as well; because I learned there is NO perfect “know all/end all” martial art system or style. Besides, that is what has been happening since the development of Kalari by Buddhist monks in 300 BC India. Something that does rub me the wrong way is hearing “mixed terms” such as Korean or Chinese system students calling their uniform a gi instead of a Dobak or sahm, or calling their school a dojo instead of a dojang or kuen; but I’m working on it. :-)
From age 17 to 26 I trained in Okinawan Karate, Shito Ryu, but the school was half and half. We did focus a lot on sport sparring. I also had a black Gi!
I just recently picked Karate back up and now I focus more on Kata and Bunkai.
Nice! Technically I teach Okinawan Kempo.. which means Americanized Okinawan Karate 😂
Hi. I think even the Miyagi Do version of Karate for the TV series has been americanized compared to the version of Miyagi Do used in the movies. In the TV show, Miyagi Do is using more high, spinning kicks, etc and when they fight, they all look the same. In the original Karate Kid movie, you could clearly see the difference between Daniel Larusso's Karate style (using a guard with the left in front ,open hand and the right in the hip for gyaku tsuki counters, Cat stance, low kicking, etc. A more counterattack style) compared to what the Cobra Kai students were doing (agressive, guard with both hands up, with lots of kicks, and hard punching).
For sure!! To be fair, they are in America
@@SenseiSeth Yes. In the movies, Daniel was getting a pure Karate form from Mr. Miyagi. Well, it was said by Daniel himself that he and Miyagi kept training after the movies (like the upside down "double kick" Robby used in the tournament in season 1). But i do like the idea of Miyagi Do and Cobra Kai reflecting their contrast ideologies in their fighting style and strategies, instead of all looking the same when they fight.
When you said "what is up everybody" I for some reason expected a parody of Wonderboys "Whats up everybody" intro
It’s so dang catchy 😂
I'm outside of america and the only thing that cobra kai got correct for our dojo in the show is the lack or no use of protective gears in sparring matches, our dojo didnt send out flyers or performed demos, people who wanted to practice just looked for the place. Good content, its always awesome to learn how people do karate in different places.
I think the nerd aspect of it was done well. I remember the Karate and TKD guys at my high school and college were all dorks that started off just doing their nerd thing together. However later they became more capable of handling their troubles. Most of the gained or lost weight that they needed to gain or lose. Focused better on what was important outside of Martial Arts. Cobra Kai showed the well rounded improvement.
Thanks for another great, educational, funny video, Sensei Seth. Always look forward to more.
Osu! Great video, sensei! Really appreciated this breakdown.
I have really enjoyed you content. I like how diverse you are in your discussions and the fact you bring an educational aspect to your videos. Your videos are the kind where I don’t have to watch them all, but I can listen almost like a Podcast. Great job. Looking forward to more.
Accidentally came across a random video and it led me down the rabbit hole. Love your content and I love that you aren't a style snob. You give credit where it's due and use very good comparisons for different styles.
I really enjoy your content along with wonderboy, sweet T, icey mike and houston jones,and would love to train at your dojo if I were able sadly it is too far for me travel currently but I really enjoy watching you guys and trying to add them into my arsenal keep it coming guys you ar truly an inspiration
What Cobra Kai gets right is the lessons it teaches through Karate. Balance, patience, mercy, forgiveness, letting go of anger..... much like real Karate, in my opinion.
You were on point with everything... and I watched this on my SMARTPHONE.
Joe Lewis used to grab the opponents sleeve then side kick so there’s a reason to roll 🤣👍 great vid thanks 🙏
Keep up the cobra kai content, very cool and fun
Love the information you give on Karate. Like I used to see karate as a McMartial art. I feel like a lot of people see it that way. Once I actually started getting into martial arts, I grew a respect for Okinawan/Japanese karate. But your channel has definitely helped grow my respect for american karate. There are no bad martial arts, only bad teachers.
Happy to hear it my friend!!
Ok, what you said at 10:16 - 10:30 is the most accurate description of American martial arts (not just karate) that I have ever heard. Hearing you say that, I realized how true it was for my MA experience. Not that it was a bad thing, by any means. I had some really great teachers, and learned so much but still, what you said is so true man.
This is the 4th-5th time I have seen this video and still appreciate it and your take on US Karate while Jesse focuses on the history and traditional Okinawan Karate. Please, continue doing reaction to Cobra Kai and maybe a collaboration with Jesse to compare both your points of Cobra Kai and Miyagi-do.
I've known 3 senseis (Kyoshi), and trained with one of them. All three were former US military. The thing that impressed me the most was how transparent they all were about the business aspect of their dojos. The one I trained with told us (I was 12 at the time) that basic training can teach a man to be deadly in a few months, but doing so would be a full time endeavor and would add significant risk of injury.
They also understood that every student was a representative of their dojo, and their leadership ability. Teaching the philosophy of respect for yourself and your opponent was the number one priority for all of them. Great video, and really great job of breaking down the challenges that business owners face to be successful.
I am so missing doing martial arts. I was in as a kid and teen. We have a few places around here that have adult classes. I wish i would have never quit. Will hopefully get back to it even though my old studio has closed
Thank you for a great insight into American karate. I don't remember seeing a video where it's been broken down like this before. Looking forward to you coming to Europe when travel becomes safer.
Can’t wait!!
Yessss, we want to see more Cobra Kai videos from you!! You got everything right in my book, especially when you said that the more traditional dojos generally want less students bc the more people you teach, the worse your teaching gets. That was a very good point. And, I was going to skip the end of the video but I am SO GLAD that I didn't because that was SO FUNNY I am literally still laughing about it!! Best ending ever. This might even be my favorite video from you XD Peace out!
Hahaha wait, which part at the end are you referring to??
@@SenseiSeth The very end where you said "Strike first, strike hard, no mercy!!" I have no idea why I thought that was so funny, but it was!! I sat there laughing for like 5 minutes XD Of all the things I was expecting you to say, it was not that XDXD
If you are curious about the "sleeveless gi" I think that is sort of an easter egg when it comes to Kreese. Back in the 1970s and up to maybe the early 80s fewer people did martial arts, so it was more common to know people from different styles.
In those days most places had at least one karate (or its cousins) dojo and a least one judo club.
ANYONE who had judoka friends they liked to cross train with usually figured out having a light karate gi without sleeves is going to happen eventually. It also had the side benefit of being harder for me to grab. Because once you were grabbed, your gi was going to be folded and put away nicely. If you happened to still be wearing it at the time you may come along for the ride for free.
Those days were fun.
Kempo Karate is probably the most American style of karate I can think of and the only style I Know. Lol. I loved your video.
Started in Hawaii, basically a melting pot of different styles. Shout out to John Hackleman and Chuck Liddell.
As someone who grew up with American Karate as well I gotta say this was spot on! Good job Sensei!
Liked your analysis Sensei.
Thanks boss!
Amazing video
Yep. everything you said is pretty much on point
Just discovered the channel and love it. What I think Cobra Kai got right was the belief of every art and instructor to think they are the best. Daniel thinks his way is best Johnny thinks his way is best unfortunately it's a very prevalent attitude to think your style is the best. No I've only made it to season 3 but I wonder if they'll ever touch on the idea that different styles are better suited for different people? Keep up the channel I love it. Go Texas Karate! ( I'm sure that will get some people riled up)
I like your honesty and a bit of critical approach to American karate.
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When I was practicing karate I was in a dojo that taught Okinawan style karate and we had katas, but we also sparred a lot after getting to an orange belt which honestly I think is a good mixture of American karate and traditional Okinawan.
I would agree about the jars. The jars were basically a thing to challenge your grip while working on stances but there were alternatives present (I mean both Judo and BJJ survived without those and they live by their grips).
Since we mentioned stance work, I feel that this is one of the most underrated benefits of doing kata. One good example is the lunge punch ... where if you are coordinated enough you can do continuous lead straights to another guy while walking towards him with adequate power.
Yes please, more Cobra Kai content, maybe some technique videos on moves in the show.
You got it!
I can relate to the demo team because on my demo team at karate we do a bunch of cool crazy tricks because it attracts people. Even our uniforms look super cool
I would love to see you and Jesse do some kind of watch party for season 3!
Interesting topic and kinda have to agree on the best sensei's probably being substandard/mediocre business men. My lovely judo sensei (was an immigrant from Japan, who would teach these immaculate set-ups to throws/sweeps/trips that could apply to almost anyone, but was abit tone deaf at first when it came to marketing his course (Luckily he did improve with experience)
Yea, I think martial arts people feel they need to be more “gimmicky” which I see changing more into just showing what they actually do!
Love the honesty about the Gi "It's just really cool" Hahaahaah
You trained in Kempo! Awesome
If Karate is daycare for kids, then Taichi is for the boomers at the retirement homes
and Wing chun for nerds
Hahahahaha
Karate is for whole life. As you get older you may not be able to do some things but you continue to practice and perfect. Check out American "Bill Wallace"...
Muay Thai and Boxing is for men
@@contedivalpelline bill superfoot wallace is great. I got to train in a seminar he was teaching when I was a teenager
@@contedivalpelline "Sugarfoot" Wallace is dynamite! He's a great reference for someone who has had to adapt their fighting style to age and injury.
“Kicks get chicks” oh I wish you were more right but you could probably relate it to stuntwork because we know movies LIVE for karate or taekwondo professionals because “kicks get chicks” loved the video sensei Seth!
Hahaha thanks bud!
I really dig your introspective videos and your sparring videos and ironical, we switched up our uniforms about 6 years ago in our school because of what you brought up. In our school, a white gi means a student, and if you're at a graduation, or in a class primarily to learn, you wear white, but if you're a black belt or an instructor (we have some advanced belts come in to help teach our beginners) you wear black, or if you're a second Dan, you can wear blue. I thought that was the norm (I started 5 years ago) but as I've been networking with others schools, that isn't as prevalent and I'm glad I got some insight on that
Yess make more cobra Kai vids
Good video. I started Taekwondo at age 32 and practiced for 11 years under Korean Grand Master Tae-Ju Jung. He taught traditional Taekwondo, meaning he taught both ITF and WTF. Very Mr. Miyagi-like. Fantastic training. Nothing fast about his progression. It took me four years to earn my 1st degree BB. My only criticism is that we never entered any competitions. He taught us some hapkido as well. He is retired now. How I miss his training. I still practice on my own at age 52.
Other than a Korean instructor my story sound so similar. I remember I had such a sound base in self defence. When I moved to a school in the city I was like a dollar store version of Steven Segal. I was throwing and flipping all the pure WTF guys who were great at scoring points but could not actually do self defence.
Great post. Love your sense of humor. I think if Cobra-Kai focused more on the growing trend in Karate to include traditional throw, chokes, strangles, and joint locks pushed by people like Jesse Enkamp, Karate Culture, and Patrick McCarthy it would help Karate look more cool. If it did a lot of the choreography would look more like Krav Maga. Add in some promotions for the new Karate Combat fight league and maybe a couple appearances by the Machida family and the whole series would move ten steps forward.
Well they definitely teach it, just don’t focus on showing the instruction as often
Dude you really covered all of my thoughts on this. I was like there's no way in hell karate is that big of a deal to kids my age
I laughed when you mentioned these kids getting good so fast. You are right of course, but in the picture was a Talin Chat. I can't separate him from the character.
Cool vid, thanks for it! :) A bit of background about the black/white gi stuff. Back in Okinawa they weren't really using gis but trained or practiced in their normal clothes since (Tode, karate before the name karate was invented :) ) it was a self defense civilian fighting system. They used more or lessu greyish or brownish clothes used mostly for field works since it gave them ability to move freely and the fabric was also durable. Since they used a lot of weapons which got in contact with their gi and wore it out they never really used white gi. When Tode got popularized in Japan they introduced the white gi to symbolize cleanness, oneness, purity, the emptiness to be filled etc, which concept was borrowed from Judo. This concept more or less was followed by the modernized Okinawa styles as well but outside ideological elements (cleanness, purity etc..) they used a more practical approach. The style which included more ground fight and weapons they adopted darker, black or brownish grey gis. Sleavelesness also has an advantage, in close range, your adversary can't grab your sleeve and throw you or compromise in any other ways your balance. As for white gis in Japan, other practical aspect was that you had to take care of it, wash it, keep it clean at all times since on white gis all dirt and damage is more visible so you were "forced" to keep it tidy to show up in the proper way in the dodjo.
I learned the hard way... heck.. I am still learning!!! A good teacher is a good teacher, rather he or she is in Japan or not. Good share my friend.
Hello Sensei..great sharing..inspiring in my mind..bravo Karate..greeting from Indonseian Shotokan Karate..Oss
I think you forgot about the Miyagi training session during the hot summer. During that session it had a sparring feel to it. However, they did stop after the blow landed.
My school did both American, Korean, and Okinawan methods. Our sensei crafted makiwaras from wood and carpet, we had pads, bags, airshields, and 80x15 feet of mat. We did iron arm, kata, not only sparring, but crazy situation sparring like 2 or 3 on 1.
Cobra kai made me wanna start learning something. Along with avatar the last air bender. Never realized how much I like watching them fight
The choreographer of the original movies was Pat E. Johnson. Johnson earned his black belt in the mid 1960s in South Korea in Tang Soo Do-Moo Duk Kwan. A few years later in 1968 or so he switched over to Chuck Norris' American Tang Soo Do system. American Tang Soo Do is a combination of Tang Soo Do-Moo Duk Kwan, Judo, Shotokan Karate, Shito-ryu Karate, Shudokan Karate and a little bit of Hapkido.
One of the reasons why Norris trained in these arts was because when he began his tournament career he lost a lot. He kept getting beat by Japanese and Okinawan stylists who were superior punchers. He brought in a lot of the hand and foot combinations found in the Shito-ryu and made his art more or less 50/50 when it came to upper and lower body strikes. He added throws and sweeps to the mix. He went undefeated in tournament competition in 1967 and 1968 and his system produced a lot of talented fighters: Pat Johnson, John Natividad, Bob Wall, Darnell Garcie, Gheral Taylor, Jerry Taylor, Bob Burbidge, Harold Gross, Dennis Young, Ron Pohnel, Chip Wright, Bob Alegria, Ralph Alegria, etc. He merges all these arts and developed his own "Americanize" style of karate back in the 1960s.
Bunkai was never taught in the Norris system. Forms were taught as just something you did for testing or to help build your endurance because you're doing as many as 21 forms. I got into bunkai through guys like Jesse Enkamp and Iain Abernethy.
Basically what Johnson taught the Cobra Kai actors was the old Norris system just a more Hollywood version. If you look at photos from some of Norris' early books he's demonstrating techniques on modern equipment like heavy bags, kicking shields and focus mitts. Though they didn't really break away from traditional uniforms...too much. Norris always continued to use the traditional Moo Duk Kwan style uniforms, but with one small change. At second degree black belt you were allowed to wear black pants with your traditional black trimmed white jacket.
The black keikogi used in the movies I believe was more of the classic Hollywood theme of good guys wear white and bad guys wear black then having to do with Cobra Kai being American karate system.
I've been studying martial arts lately (only partially because of Cobra Kai, I did Judo as a kid) and I've been learning so much about various styles and forms. For example I never knew that Karate had throws and takedowns
You actually do see a decent amount of sparring in Myagi Do. In KK2 Daniel and Myagi spar in the family dojo, Sam and Robbie Spar at Myagi's house the very first day, Daniel brings the students into the freezer and does basically a "bull in the ring" sparring drill. I just don't think it is a primary focus of his kind of training but he understands that it is necessary for developing timing and learning distances,
Yo your Chanel is gold bro I subbed already keep it up, you guys are bringin it back! :D
That’s cool, you had a dojo in Fort Worth, I used to live there
Seems that the best thing that came out from watching hard2hurt is finding out about teachmegrappling and this channel. :P
Hahahaha
I agree with what you say but also back in the day adults did karate more than today, and to a certain extent kids as well. Kids rather be on their playstations etc, and once they find out how hard it is they do not stick with it. You are spot on about fighting at school it is totally differnet today. In the old days, karate at the schools was militaristic, and very tough, not saying today it is not but it has changed. Then MMA came along and it became the "cool" thing to do..same thing people try it see how tough it is and they leave. Look at karate tournaments...with the exception of the Kyokusin ones, back in the day they didnt wear all the protective gear, and we could kick to the crotch, and sweep, now they cant..they never called "excessive contact except in the white belt division...that is why it is called by some a game of "tag". Thanks for the video.
100% agree that there's no issue in grabbing techniques from other styles, as long as they work. I don't necessarily think that one style is better than another, as long as some core functionality is maintained (if it doesn't work, why teach it?).
I spent about 6 years learning Cuong Nhu, which has the basis around shotokan karate. I really enjoy learning the bits of technique taken from numerous other styles, such as hip / shoulder throws from judo, joint locks from aikido, centerline principle from wing chun, etc, etc. I was in a mostly all-adult class so we got to work closely with our instructors and really work through our problem areas (and sometimes could influence class with what we wanted to work on). I do wish we got a chance to spend more time on mat work and grappling skills (we did a lot of kata, a bunch of sparring drills, and a decent amount of work with bo / escrima). I might have to try out BJJ now that I'm living in a new area, I think it would be a good fit for areas that I want to work on.
I cut my gi sleeves short (mid forearm), it helps keep everything out of the way when doing numerous things. Got tired of rolling my sleeves up. I think it's a feel for me, I hate the feeling of having my wrist all wrapped up in my sleeve when someone is using your gi to control your arm.
Larusso's techniques look really rough. I think he could use a bit more time practicing. I cringe when I watch how stiff his shoulders are when throwing punches. I also agree 100% that the amount of interest in martial arts on the show is way overblown (almost laughably so).
Hey seth. Dont have Netflix so I haven't seen cobra kai nor have I watched all of the karate kid,s. I do like watching karate combat though. I really liked your video man. When my dad was doing karate as a young man it sounds like a self defense system of karate. It was created by Joe Strickland I believe they even gave it it's own name. My dad stayed there for 4 years. My small hometown gym owner and mayor used to be a karate kids class teacher. His name is curtis boyd. I very much enjoyed your vid man on what they got right on American karate.
Don't think we didn't see that flash of Taekwondo when you were about to say the words 'safe space' :P
Pretty insightful breakdown here, good stuff.
Hahahaha that doesn’t sound like something I would do
I practice TKD and I gotta say the point system is kinda whack (Although my teacher taught me bits and pieces of other styles like Boxing and Judo) and that’s gotta change
Would actually like to see a reaction to the training in both Cobra Kai and Miyagi Do dojo.
Like for example a fundamental part of Miyagi Do is Kata but in season 2 they also mentioned training such as Shochu geiko and kangeiko.
A breakdown on these types of training and others throughout the series would be cool.
Noted!!
It took me 7 years to get my Black Belt i think i am quite patient in getting to what i want
Haha sounds like it!
When Niguel does basic boxing practice, thats quite common in American karate due to the mashup of styles as you mentioned
Joined an American-style karate dojo when I was younger. The way you describe the "melting pot" aspect of American karate is pretty spot on in my experience. The style we trained in was, on paper, called "Shorei Goju", but the head instructor admitted that since he also learned hapkido, taekwondo, and various styles of wushu when he was younger, that his "version" of it takes elements of those too. We had another sensei who also learned Kyokushinkai, so he was a big fan of teaching low kicks to the leg to wear your opponent down. We had yet another sensei who had experience in Shotokan and would teach stuff in their way, and a guest sensei from a Shuri-ryu school who spent half the session teaching us a kata from outside our style.
There were also punching bags, kicking pads, and weights everywhere, just like you said. And the head instructor was big on "fast track" learning, especially if you were starting his class in your teens or older.
Sounds like a real melting pot!!
To this day, my favorite kind of Dojo is a three car garage with mats on the floor, or a local park!
I Love the idea of: "The whole world is your Dojo"! That you can begin practicing anytime, anywhere! That Karaté is the knowledge you carry inside you, and that you can practice and train anywhere and everywhere you go!
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Yoooo, if you were still in Texas, I would have loved to visit your dojo! I practice Baguazhang, but it'd be awesome to come learn from a Martial Artist RUclipsr! I need to get better at kicking anyway lol
I like the juxtaposition of the complex Okinawan Kara-te vs Americanized Karate. Miyagi-do has deep philosophical teachings that give rise to attitudes and ways of moving that manifest in self-defense techniques. Cobra Kai is a simple formula: strike first, strike hard, no mercy. Teaching Cobra Kai is going to be very simple. Teach different strikes, perfect the kinesiology of delivering power with those strikes, and then practice applying those strikes through sparring. While the Miyagi-do karateka is learning about balance of mind, body and form, because it will eventually manifest in an unshakeable person who is not easily baited and doesn't overreact, the Cobra is learning to displace sternums, eyes and hyoid bones with fists, feet, elbows and knees.
The Miyagi Karate Master will not be one who has mastered the art, but has been mastered by the art. The Cobra Master will be... John Kreese. Good luck with that. At best, you could be Johnny Lawrence and good luck with that too!
I love this show for so many reasons, and I hope it keeps coming back for many more seasons. There's a bar for you!
I have been practicing and teaching both Tang Soo Do and taekwondo for a couple decades. They are similar in that they are both Korean fighting styles, but taekwondo was focuses on the lower body with kicks while Tang Soo Do focuses on the upper body. By combining both of these forms together you end up with a more rounded overall fighting style for open tournament fighting. Tang Soo Do also incorporates Shotokan, Kung Fu and a couple other Chinese styles.
I appreciate the frank manner in which you discuss the need for the marketing aspect of American Karate, and today's grey zone in engaging bullying. You have given me 2nd thoughts about abandoning the Kobra Kai series. The complete absence of commitment in Daniel's practice of kata, the baldface statement that a style consists of kata (come-on, at least include bunkai), the training in the cement truck or the floating wood platforms, his claim to be an ambassador of karate -- it was nauseating, and not in the funny manner of parody. But I'll give it another go.