How Different Martial Arts Do BAREKNUCKLE Impact Training
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2021
- I'm Joined by @KARATEbyJesse and @hard2hurt and Oliver Enkamp as we discuss how often they do bareknuckle training and bag work! Tons of different traditional Karateka, Boxers, Street Fighters, Kickboxers and more do punch conditioning in different ways! Here we discuss.
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I'm mad I missed you two in your gis and sneakers at the park lol
Just two Karate Nerds deforesting the planet, one tree at a time 😂
@@KARATEbyJesse That's how I must explain what I'm doing when I punch a tree now XD
I thought only Tae Kwon Do, was allowed to wear their uniforms out in public🤣
@@Dan_Hill43 To be honest, I don't generally wear my Dobok out in public because I don't want my ass kicked :D
I miss the makiwara at my old dojo. Makiwara was the standard "cooldown" after class before stretching ...
THAT TREE NEVER STOOD A CHANCE!! 🌳👊💥 Thanks for having me Seth-san, can’t wait for people to see our upcoming sparring video!! 😎
Your doing a sparring video?
I can't wait to see that you both are 🐐
😱 the hype got real
I'm a real karateka, I graduated long ago from trees to simply punching my fist straight into buckets of gravel. It works great.
Great Video. I use the thinnest gloves possible (just for blister prevention). Do knuckle pushups on a marble bench. Punch a heavy bag and a Basketball with very thin gloves also..
10:00 what a crew. You learn so much about them from their stances alone.
The pro fighters, cool and confident in their skill.
The humble, knowledgeable practitioner of traditional martial arts
The upbeat, charasmatic instructor
The Angry gnome
😂😂
Much love to all of you for this Collab, this is what martial arts RUclips needed, but didn't deserve 💪💪🤘
angry gnome stance is way more scary
I would totally train with that crew!
Jesse and Oliver have been traditionally trained and then gone to more modern ways. I’m loving this great crossover to cross train and understand different ways to do the same technique. Different condition ways and I love this!
Makes me so happy to hear! 🙏
And what pushups or wheelbarrow walk on the knuckles are good for, you really learn how to balance on your wrists.
@Where's Walshy agreed. Makiwara is GREAT for conditioning punching, elbow and shuto techniques
Coming up with a conclusion in the end ... with a topic like this...these different approaches... just shows how open minded and experienced these people are 🎉👍 Awesome Video
Are karate TV vale bhaiya 😄❤
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What a collaboration! Seriously, you guys made my day.
As far as bare knuckle training goes, I’ve been doing it for over 30 years, and I have no arthritis is my hands. Like any physical activity, you just have to know how to do it right.
Which knuckles do you focus on?
@@AK_UK_ all ten on ur dome
@@AK_UK_ jkkkk
This short dude who works near a store I service has calluses that are like two pennies stacked on his knuckles. I don't know how to think or feel about this... www.backinthegi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/knuckl.jpg
Look at you, the Gracies, the Machida's, and and now the greatest of all the martial arts family's the Enkamp's. You sir have arrived!!!!
You forgot the Paul’s! 🥊😜🙌
So glad the Karate Avengers content is finally dropping!
😂😂😂
Capoeirista here. Maaaaaan I wish I had a comunity like you guys do. I would love to hang out with different martial artists where I live. Its cool to see you guys hang out.
Martial arts brings people together!! 🙌
Me too 😔 I feel like I’d be so much better
bruh just stop capoeira
@Zyan Pearsall i enjoy watching a good fight, no matter the sport. But capoeira is not really fighting or a martial art, its like a dance with martial art inspired movement.
Yo, where are you from mate? Sorry for the question, but usually Capoeira practitioner walk in packs around my city...
Old-school boxers did not strike with their wrist bones, they knew how to strike. The main technique was straight vertical punch landing with the bottom three knuckles, because it follows the principles of what Jack Dempsey later named the Power Line. It means that there is a perfect alignement between your fist (you aim with the part between the middle and ring fingers), your elbow and your whole shoulder. Some of the best of those bareknuckle boxers foughts hundred times, if they did not knew how box with their bare-hands they would have had very short careers. Early days of gloved boxing have of lot of techniques from this era.
That’s how I was taught by my father who fought in the late 30s and early 40s before the draft. I have no problems hitting people to this day. But, we were taught to hit proper targets and proper techniques. Light gloves are used most times on bags, but chins, jaws, and stomachs are not a problem bare knuckled in the least. I just don’t hit people in the top of their head, or hit them in their elbows and such.
Was going to comment the same thing, good thing somebody else caught that.
They did in victorian era, probably was talking of the victorian era
@@FDE_Doom_Girl Except the Victorian era is the latter part of exactly the boxing era we're talking about. The idea that bareknuckle boxers used their palms instead of their fists is circulated by some palm-strike aficionados, but there's no actual evidence to back that up.
If you read any of the actual manuals about boxing from the bareknuckle period, they tell you exactly what Augusto Dalha described: straight vertical punches with the knuckles.
@@FDE_Doom_Girl any source about this? Palm strikes exister for sure, but not the way he showed, which is particularly ineffective. I don't think hé was refering to the victorian era, it just a cliché that is hard to kill. FightTips even made à popular vidéo about this myth, he made a second one after being corrected by Oz from English Martial Arts but it was less popular than the first one.
Boxing main here. Agree with the first sentiment, if you have any legit power you should limit how often you throw with minimal protection. Personally trained bare knuckle quite alot on the bag (only ever try leather, if you have a fabric bag please please save your knuckle skin the trouble and dont bother) Imo it's important to do similar to what encamp said on a tree vs a heavy bag bare knuckle, and even intentionally tap your hand at awkward angles to strain hte little muscles holding your wrist together so that in the moment of impact those small muscles that otherwise never get any isolation work will be able to sustain the force of impact. As stated in the video, alignment helps alot but I believe in working out the muscles that keep everything aligned more than anything else when it comes to wrist health specifically.
Punching frabic bag doesnt make me pain but its scrape my fist alot. So that that is a no.leather bag however makes my leg sore as hell after kicking.Punching not so much.
@@Han-nk3io out of curiosity would that not help prevent cutting? constantling scraped skin hardens and callouses. would that not mean hitting a sharper angle would be less likely to cut your knuckles open. even say on a tooth?
@@TGPDrunknHick No if you want fist conditioning might as well doung knucles push ups and wrap your hands punching bags.Because in real contact your skin will be scraped anyway,it doesnt hurt but i dont want a bloody fist after working out and side not punching bare knucle is very dangerous when your wrist is fatique i notice that my wrist easily get misalightment when punching after weight lift session.
This is interesting to me because back in the day when I started, we never wore any hand protection at all. I would hit stuff. We had the makiwara, but I hit lots of things. My first two knuckles are still quite prominent.
Right? I never use any gloves while doing bagwork or hitting (well, more lightly, of course) the wall and other hard stuff. No problems so far, big first two knuckles and obviously no one likes if I hit them 😂
It also makes me having a better hand position than some guys using Seiken-protectors ALL the time.
@@bencebuda4599 Absolutely! Maybe it's been luck, but I've hit a lot of hard targets, including people and haven't hurt my hands yet. Well, not counting the time I punched a cement wall by mistake (it had a thin sheet over it). Yeah, my hand was a balloon lol for a week, but I didn't break anything.
@@Docinaplane it's not luck, I've been hitting hard stuff since forever and I've only ever hurt my hand playing football
We would leave blood on the makiwara (only the rope covered one) in my dojo. The leather one never made us bloody.
I love how true martial artists, regardless of our backgrounds, come together
We karatekas when ever hear the word Okinawa . Immidiately it pop up in our mind = birth place of Karate . This is what unites us all karatekas around the world . Oss 🥋
Jesse is awesome. Glad he's getting to make some crossover content with you guys. 👍👍
You can train the entire hand (backfist, palms, knife and ridge of hand) like this for a well rounded approach. Wonderboy's dad still trains his palms to this day and he still has full hand dexterity.
Very old school Okinawan and Kungfu styles have "Dit Da Jow", to heal and recover faster as well.
2 great examples of this training is Jiang Yu Shan and the late, great Pan Qingfu. Master Pan was called the "Gangbuster of China" and took down several Triad leaders back in the 60s, killing some of them and brutally concussing others with his Iron Fist (look up his crazy knuckle training here on youtube).
Man, another great video. You keep pumping them out. I’m 100% for this. I’ve been training since 1977 and the most I use when hitting pads or a bag are those old school leather bag gloves and then only so I don’t scrape my knuckles up. You are forced to hit with proper alignment. I’m also a professional jazz bassist and I’ve never had hand or wrist problems so I must be doing something right.
I'm really enjoying these, for lack of a better word, crossover videos. Let everyone know if you all decide to do a seminar together. It would be really cool to meet all of you.
Dit da jow, it helps a lot. I think it’s definitely a progressive time consuming process. I did the whole knuckle push-ups thing in high school lol. 😂. I use to hit the bag and the wooden dummy with wraps. After years of hitting the palm bag ✋ I like to do it all 100% bare knuckles but that doesn’t mean ever so often it doesn’t hurt. If you’re conditioning everyday you have to listen to your body. If you get an injury you need medicine and time to heal. Being an athlete is a process of damage repair damage repair and it’s no different with a martial artist.🥋 Great videos 📹😂 Sensei Seth.
Damn someone gotta protect Oliver
He’s staying with us now, away from the bad karate man
@@SenseiSeth the poor guy 😢
It depends on why you’re training. If you’re training for sport, then wrapping yourself wrists and hand is good. If you’re training for self-defense, it’s not good, you won’t have that protection if you ever need to use what you’ve learned. Wraps keep everything aligned. Wrist, hand all tight. In the real world outside of the dojo, or a sport, you have to take 27 bones, and the wrist and make it as stiff as you can. If you haven’t practiced without wraps, good chance your wrist will buckle. The wraps are like many things in life. They give a false sense of doing it correctly. It’s a good training aid to help you know what it’s supposed to feel like but, without doing it without the wraps you aren’t strengthening the muscles and tendons needed to do it without them. That’s my .02 cents. What’s your end goal, and then train for that.
Yes, you did do a good job of saying what we said at the end of the video 😂🙏
@@SenseiSeth and in less than 20 minutes no less….🤷♂️😂
Facts
I gotta say it, I love these crossovers.
I really think that it elevates the content of everyone that´s participating to another level, it doesn´t feel like "advertising" at all. Mad respect.
In a way I feel they're both essential, but the alignment you learn from Makiwara training is more fundamental, in my opinion. For example, my left hand has an extra long middle metacarpal. So my middle knuckle sticks out, and takes the full force of my punch, alone, if I punch perfectly straight. Makiwara training forced to me correct for that weird asymmetry. It makes you pay attention to what's unique in your own body and learn to make technique your own.
well, that is also the strongest knuckle and you are focussing all the force on a smaller point if you do hit with just that, so it also can make you do more damage
@@Leo.23232 depending on the surface you are striking, yes. If you're hitting soft tissue that's fine. If you're hitting bone, there is the potential to drive that knuckle back into your hand and break your metacarpal. I speak from 1st hand experience on this subject.
@@davidriddell5573 it also depends on how hard you are hitting, i disagree with it being better for soft tissue, it wont really make much difference either way, only thing i can think of it doing more damage to is like muscles but i dont think thats a very good target for a punch normally, if you hit the body its more about how far your whole fist is digging in than a knuckle is. although i could be wrong on this thats just my intuition, havnt seen this tested
i think its better for hitting the face which is a hard target, just dont hit full power, you will be doing a lot of cutting damage with much less effort, and you wont break your knuckles that way
when it comes to bare knuckle fighting, you can do a lot of damage without needing to use all your power
I’ve got a MAKIWARA at my MMA gym and people always ask me what the hell it is lol
Oh boiii the courageous icy Mike is back! Looking forward to see mike joking/messing around with sensei Seth like always 😂😂❤️ the bromance
"It depends" is the answer to almost every question in martial arts and fighting
It's like watching the avengers of martial arts, looking forward to see more collabs with all of you
Awesome. I love a icy Mike and Seth combo. One day I'm going to get off my lazy ass and drive the 15 min to Raleigh and have Seth teach me how to fancy kick.
Seth is in Raleigh?! Well now I should probably go, might help me lose the 50 lbs lol
15 minutes?!
Seriously man agreed. I'm about 2 hours from him and sadly couldn't signup for the seminar due to work.
I thought I saw the tree striking seen in Best of the Best 😂. Really love all you guys got me training again. Another great video.
I've been training for twenty-seven years, and teaching for over two decades. I'm 71. I do makiwara regularly. Gloves and wraps are good for boxing, because you're hitting someone's skull hundreds of times in the course of a match. You will break bones in your hand without that protection. They're pointless if you're training for self-defense, and you'd better have prepared your hands for that eventuality. Bare-knuckle training on heavy bags, makiwara, and other firm targets is essential. Listen to @Jesse Enkamp at 3:40, for he sums it up well. You not only need to develop the proper mechanics - kinesthetics - but also, through repetition literally over years, to develop hand conditioning. Bones and connective tissues will toughen over time with repeated application. Makiwara gives you both: feedback (proper hand and joint alignment) and firm resistance. Over time, you can execute dozens, even hundreds, of strikes during a training session. It can be a form of active meditation. And, yes, I strike 100% (but I wouldn't do it on a tree... traditional makiwara still gives a bit). Sorry, @hard2hurt, but I disagree. If you start gradually, and develop proper form, you can train without injury.
Ramsey Dewey, Icy Mike, Jesse, sensei Seth and Stephen Thompson need to do a video seminar together.
Those crossover videos are really cool! Keep them coming💪
Absolutely loving these collabs lately!
Love love love the collaboration videos! I'm so glad you all could get together.
By far one of my favourite videos, awesome job guys and have a great new year.
I really like all that colaborations of you guys. Not only is it great fun to watch, but it is also very informative. keep it up guys :D
I dont think I have learned anything or gotten any conclusion but I felt somehow attached to the conversation and ended up watching the whole video. I dont mind this lecture videos once in a while,
Awesome collaboration!!
Great video as always
These guys clearly had a blast filming all day. Great fun to watch and loads of knowledge
This is what we wanted, awesome video
Priceless!
Looks like you guys had fun. Good bunch of guys . It would be great to be there with you all..
This was fantastic! So much talent and wisdom in one place! You're spoiling us.
Loved the editing bro n the acting from Mike ofc. Keep improving playa
My favorite video by far! All of the best martial arts youtubers on the internet all joined together in one video! I love this!
Its so cool to see Icy Mike and Jesse as friends now! Jesse understands the importance of adaptation, and Mike is now giving value to the karate things! As an karate fighter who trains for full contact, and loves to train muay thai too, its awsome really
I'm actually loving these collabs!
I LOVED this video! :D Hilariously great vibe and at the same time the uncertainty of its conclusion is the smartest conclusion that was possible: it depends on what you want to do.
Great video, I just found you guys last week and I'm loving it, Mike is so funny and Jesse (when not on his channel) reminds me of my martial arts teachers (sensei or coach whatever you wanna call them)
Loving these collaborations!
Love the duets!
Time to make my day better thank you 🙏.
nice vid! as a martial artist (not a fighter), I do train exclusively bareknuckle - and I advise my students (also not fighters) to do the same. however, there is a crucial aspect of this: progression. it takes a long time to go from non-contact to full power. not doing it gradually leads to accidents - and maybe that's a big part of bareknuckle punching being regarded as a "no-no" by many.
Fantastic Video Sensei Seth
well we have once again come to the conclusion that context is everything! haha
loved the vid, thank you!
when these three get together, its always fun to watch
"Stack our bones and align our joints" - so beautifully put! 🙂
Aw man, this is an awesome video, seeing you there with Mike, Jesse, and his brother at the same time, imagine if you also had there together with y’all Ramsey, Rokas, Wonderboy, Mr. Dan, Endo,
Well done dude!
Awesome collab.
These crossovers are fucking epic!
Love u guys having Jesse on I don't practice karate but love his videos I do however practice martial. arts Ur videos are always informative Thumbs up 👍
Great video guy's
When I was more heavily into martial arts we would practice alignment on hessian filled with steel ball bearings. It was hard enough to condition, soft enough to protect and had enough movement in the structure of the ball bearings that you were not hitting a completely solid object because people are not completely solid. Most places you can hit on the body have give to impact. Even when you hit the head there is give, either from movement or structure.
True and awesome collaboration guys do more together, i like this forum-ish style🤙🏼☀❤
This video is really interesting 👍
7:44 This energy, the intensity, and what was said. That was icing on top of this video for me 👌
Idk why I resonated so strongly to that part 😂
This was an all-stars collaboration
Best collab
Kung fu nerd here! We do this in Wing chun as well, with a tightly packed sand bag mounted to a wall, called a "Sau Bau". Some WC mook jong (wooden training dummies) are wrapped with rope and used the same way. Same idea as makiwara basically, conditioning hand/knuckle resistance and your body structure to absorb the returning force. It's meant to be a fine tuning, technical excercise, not full power, but increasing power incrementally so you can hit harder bareknuckle and have less chance of injuring yourself. I especially like what Jesse said about bone stacking and joint alignment. Great stuff guys!
5:02 Jessy asking why Sensei Seth kicked the tree really made my day
I'll say it again, these bunch are quite awesome.
Very good video guys...I love it...!!! The importance of conditioning without injuring yourself is very important as mentioned in the video. Conditioning of course is not only for our knuckles as Sensei Set said; that rule applies for all the parts in the body. For example in our old Ottoman tradition for oil wrestlers we use slapping trees, woodpieces and at the end (for advanced wrestlers) a flat piece of marble with our bare hands, that's the reason why Turkish oil wrestlers can knockout their opponents with a couple of slaps to the neck and head (Called: "Osmanlı Tokadı"). Unfortunately this kind of conditioning is getting more and more lost in these days. I think also it is very similar with the "Iron Hand" training in most Karate and Kung Fu styles. Can you please do more videos for conditioning different body types?
Cool to Jesse demonstrate makiwara training. I'm an old Kyokushinkai. We had a makiwara board at the dojo. it was made by using 3 pcs. of 2 x 6. They were cemented into the ground like a fence post. The one in the back only stuck up about 18", the middle one about 36" and the one in the front was about 72" tall. This allowed it to flex a little as you hit or kicked it. The stiking pad was made with rope. We puched and kicked it to condition our hands and feet. Jesse explained it perfectly.
You guys sounded like Attorney Tom there at the end.
"It Depends" is his catchphrase lol.
Ya got him! 😊nice one 👊
"Birthplace of karate"
my favorite is having a harder shield pad with someone pushing against your strikes
Very clever video
"...because I wanted some super-smart, expertise, knowledge... Mike can you stand over there? "
Lmao I'm dead.
Jesus Jesse lol. When he hit the tree. 😬
No hesitation, no wincing in pain, just full on sent it. Damn. 😂
What a nice meeting of modern Warriors 💪💪I do sparring and hard bag with gloves, the rest is conditioning (makiwara and knucle pushups)🥋🤗
Great video 📹 thanks 👌 😊 👍 guys 👦 👦 👦 👦
That little series of 1-2, uppercut by the smaller guy…impressive technique.
This is my favorite Christmas present
Use those old school bag mitts like Dewey was chatting about a while back. Works great.
yo I'm glad you got a better camera bro.
That was fun. Well since Jesse mentioned Gichin Funakoshi I might as well include a Niju kun precept that fits.
一、力の強弱体の伸縮技の緩急を忘るな
(Hitotsu, chikara no kyōjaku, karada no shinshuku, waza no kankyū o wasuruna)/Do not forget the employment of withdrawal of power, the extension or contraction of the body, the swift or leisurely application of technique.
"I'm kinda getting old" lmao that relatable
"It depends" is a Ryan Hoover statement. All the channels are blending together
There is a Kevin Secours video where he talks about how to avoid common bare knuckle punching injuries.
Oh Kevin Secours. I read his combat systema manual and it has been very useful in knowing the martial art. Cheers
Jesse is awesome. So is his brother.
Very good. I never used gloves for bag work. I figured it would cover bad habits & technique. And the part of doing twice as much on your no dominant side...YES! Absolutely! Developing power is important, but proper technique should be first.
I begin bag workouts slow and easy barnacles every time and increase the intensity slowly until my hands feel like that's enough then put on gloves I've never regretted that strategy it's super effective regarding the conditioning of the surface of my knuckles and all the little things that make up the interior of my hands as well
Oliver is so humble
I love Jesse's punches
This is a great collaboration, excellent…
Osu Shinobu
I love how everyone is talking about bags and then Jesse is like I'm about to Okinawa your ass
The only thing this episode lacked was Rokas. It would be a delight to have everyone on at the same time!
I can't handle the fact my 4 favorite people on the internet are all in one place.