When she said "doesn't make me feel anything" indicating she doesn't love him at all. The only reason why she wanted to know about the woman is because she was worried there's another heir to the throne 😮
She literally said she loved him at one point. Now no of course not she's only inquiring because she's planning to kill him and have her children in the throne.
The figures of the rebellion was the Baratheon, the Starks, the Knights of the Vale, the Tullies. Robbert, Ned, Jhon Arryn and Stannis were the four majors figures of the rebellion. Twin was late, he only fought when the Capital is fallen. Twin was neutral in the war. May be he was afraid that The rebellion ended worse for the rebels. But, when He saw the productivity of the rebels, he came. The freys also was late and the Tullies said that to Lord Frey.
It’s crazy cause I think he wasn’t in love with lyanna just obsessed with her because they met only twice and I’m sure ned said that Robert barely knew her
"And that night he crawled on top of me, stinking of wine, and did what he did, what little he could do... and he whispered in my ear "Lyanna"... Your sister was a corpse and I was a living girl and he loved her more than me." Cersei Lannister
This is like the yes and no of Cersei Lannister. Yes, it’s humiliating for a newly wed to hear their partner say someone else’s name in bed. Also No, Cersei’s personal vanity is “Really? You love some ugly horse-faced Stark girl more when you have golden-haired perfection like me? Screw you.” That’s Cersei Lannister.
To be fair, still nothing. Job didn't want the iron throne and to be honest I don't think cersei wanted the north, it held very little strategic value and would have created less wars to leave the northerners alone. She demonstrates this by stateing Ned stark son is a man of honour. She didn't say bastard. She showed him respect
You want to know the really horrible truth? Robert was never really in love with Lyanna, he was more in love with the idea of Lyanna. He believed that Lyanna could have been the woman that could have tamed the warrior within him, but no woman could have done that. He would have been loyal to her for a little while but soon enough he would have caught the eye of some pretty serving wench and gone back to his lecherous ways, and Lyanna knew that.
@@alshankhan9091 no. She became a martyr to him, an ideal that no one else could top. And he clearly didn't love her enough to stop sleeping with serving girls.
In the books Lyanna was bethroed to Robert but his actions of just sleeping around and visiting brothels made her resent him and not want to marry him. None of the male Starks would do that which is why she expected her future husband to not do that as well. When he did, she just began to hate him and realised that he'd keep doing the same even after their marriage so she decided to elope with Prince Rhaegar whom she actually liked and was also liked by.
And also Elia knew so it wasn’t infidelity by Rhaegar. Elia couldn’t have any more children But Rhaegar was obsessed with “the dragon has three heads” so he wanted a third child, a son he and Elia believed would be the Prince Who Was Promised. Lyanna must have known the deal.
None of the male starks would do that? Come on not all starks are noble like Ned. Since you read the books you should know Brandon starks, Ned’s brother did sleep around before getting engaged to Catelyn. Its in Theon’s chapters in A Feast For Crows.
@@tanzeelahmed164 There is two theories for me in Brandon case. Lady Dustin is lying, possible but unlikely. Rickard Stark did everything in their power to prevent that Lyanna connect with the real world, so she wouldn't know about Brandon being the wild Wolf, different from Robert that everyone know how he was. A childish girl taken away by tales.
@annavictrix Also, people seem to forget that she was Oberyn's sister and she was marrying a targaryan. Given her brother's lifestyle and her knowledge of targaryan history, it's totally possible that she went into the marriage without the expectation of unconditional fidelity. No one mentioned how Elia looked at the tourney at harrenhall, she might not have even been upset. At least Rheagar cared enough about Elia not force her to keep trying to have another child when it could have killed her. Instead, it's clearly possible--based in Danys vision at the house of the undying--that he spoke to her ( about having another child, and she knew about his obsession with prophecy and the dragon needing 3 heads. In real life, they might have spoken bluntly about rheagar taking a mistress or even a 2nd wife. Also, after Robert took over, all Targaryan loyalists were in danger--that included the Danyes and Ashara, who was Elias lady in waiting. Ashara needed to dissappear and so did Arthur Dayne. It makes me really doubt that Ashara committed suicide rather than went into hiding. And why was Arthur at the tower of joy instead of guarding rheagar at the trident. He might have survived if Arthur had been by his side. But whatever was at that tower was more important to him than his own life. And how did Ned find out that lyanna was at the tower of joy? Why was she there with rheagar during the majority of the war? Who was bringing them food, who helped lyanna through the birth? The only house nearby was starfall. And why would the daynes nickname their heir Ned if he actually killed Arthur or did anything to dishonor Ashara. There's so many questions about the rebellion that when you ask one, you realize another one
Rhaegar didn't break it. I believe it was his father, Aerys II. Aerys told Tywin that he would not allow a marriage between them because the Lannisters weren't good enough. When in reality, Aerys was afraid that they would become more powerful than the Targareyn's.
Cersei was NEVER meant for Rhaegar. Tywin tried to manipulate Aerys in to betrothing Rhaegar to Cersei but Aerys laughed at him. Aerys may have been completely mad, however he wasn’t stupid enough to betroth Rhaegar to a Lannister.
@@eb4771while I do think the butchering of the babies was a very cruel the rebellion was absolutely justified. Tywin killed those babies and presented them to robert as gifts to show his loyalty since he didn't take part in the war. So robert has no blood of targ babes on his hands. He did send assassins to murder dany and viserys but he was not successful. So robert has killed 0 babies . The only targ he killed was that idiot rhaegar and he was a married man who stole his betrothed.
@eb4771 Is that why? Wow. I could've sworn Rhaegar and Lyanna's goofy asses left without a word, leading people to believe that she was kidnapped. Lyanna's father and brother are executed by Aerys Targaryen after they head to King's Landing to get justice for Lyanna. None of this is on Robert Aerys, Tywin, Ned, etc...this is on Lyanna and Rhaegar. The fact they KNEW a war was brewing due to their absence these two idiots should've made their way back to King's Landing to clear their little indiscretions up. Sure, people would be hurt.....heartbroken and embarrassed if you're poor Elia Martell, and indefinitely disinherited, but no war begins. I love Jon to pieces but no one can ever make me even have a sliver of affection for the two dicks that created him..
“Someone took her away from me and seven kingdoms couldn’t fill the hole she left behind.” The writing and acting is amazing. I wish we got to see more of Robert
@@william0513me too, i think the same! Its like she wanted an honest conversation + kinda goodbye + she don't wanna feel she made a mistake ploting his murder now that he said NO
@fam6746 yhh that's all it was, confirmation, she was going to kill him but this just, like everyone said, put the nail in the coffin. And plus I don't blame cersi for it. Girls back then we're groomed to only ever want marriage with some dude that was arranged for them. Kinda sad really. Glad she killed him tho, lol😂😅
@@william0513Same, I think it's clear in hindsight that she decided to kill him right then. She had been considering it because she could not bear to be in their relationship anymore, and his death was the only way to end it and still stay with her children (let alone staying alive), but she much preferred fixing their relationship to ending it, and still had hope it could be possible. She probably struggled with trying to deal with that hope for a long time. But his "no" here dispels her hope once and for all, and she is suddenly hit with the clarity of what she has to do. "It doesn't make me feel anything" is true in the sense that she doesn't feel disappointed or sad or happy about his answer, she has stopped caring and worrying and hoping. She lets him go right in that moment, and his fate is sealed. It's much like when Lady Olenna talks to Sansa to find out if the rumours about Joffrey is true. When she says it's "a pity" that Joffrey is a monster, she just seems slightly bummed that Margaery's life as queen won't be as easy as hoped, when what she's actually bummed about is that she'll have to go through with the option of killing Joffrey. The two scenes are obviously alike in the sense that they depict a conversation where one party is told a harsh and disappointing truth, and you feel sorry for them, not realising that they already have a solution for their problem in mind, namely murder, and decide on it in that moment. One way in which they are not alike, though, is the opposite emotional implications for the two characters. For Cersei, whose worries have been weighing heavily on her, eating at her, and directly impacting her life for a long time, the moment brings relief because she lets go of all her worries in that moment. For Olenna, whose worries were hypothetical, had not yet impacted her life, and might even have turned out to be proven unfounded, the moment brings tension because her worries become solidified in that moment, and not just her initial worries about what Margaery would have to endure if the rumours were true, but also new worries about whether or not she can pull off the big plans, i.e. carrying out the murder without getting caught *and* securing a new betrothal to Tommen, plus having to rely on Baelish not to sell her out at any point in the future. I feel like I lack a conclusion, but this whole thing is probably long enough already. Thanks to anyone who bothered reading! 🥔
@@mikilacunningham6259She didn't either, she loved rhyghar Targaryen (probably) and this delusional man killed the only man that was going to be the greatest King westros could have especially in fighting the others and possible invaders.
@@johanebrown1764Rhaegar wouldn’t have been the greatest king. He was impulsive and stupid enough to run off with a betrothed noble woman from one of the most powerful houses.
Did Robert really love Lyanna tho? He barely knew her and she definitely did not feel the same. I feel like if they had actually been married it wouldn't have been a very happy one and Bobby B would have just turned to the bottle and gotten tubs anyway 🤷
Robert was in love with the idea of Lyanna, of being Ned’s brother in more than affection. Robert never was close with his own family so I imagine the idea of marrying his best friend’s sister was very nice. I’m sure that Robert was also attracted to her more traditionally masculine interest like riding horses or hunting.
@@basiosrasian225 yeah going hunting with his wife was def Rob's wet dream, but doesn't mean they would have been a good match 😅 Having her 'stolen' from him and her untimely death also boosted her into mythical levels of hotness for him
I asked Chat GPT that. Could Robert have changed if he married Lyanna? Cause that was his great flaw that disturbed Lyanna; his "whoring" as Bobby B himself puts it. What Chat GPT basically said was that we can never know for certain. Human nature is a funny thing. You peg someone as one thing, and sometimes with a little push, they'll surprise you. I'd like to think he could. I also kinda think that Rhaegar, even though he may have had "love" for Lyanna, believed in the "Prince that was promised" prophecy more. Which is why he tasked three Kingsguard to protect Lyanna. He wouldn't have the prophecy not come to pass, not with how much he's done to have it happen. Funny thing is, both Rhaegar and Aerys II had three kids. So who is the true Prince I wonder?
@@sammakesstuff4176 Robert was not that much in love with Lyanna , Lyanna didn't even like him not even a tiny bit. Their marriage would've been a disaster. Robert just wanted to keep his bestie and his sister forever by his side and do fun things with them ; that is just a desire for friendship, not romantic love .
As a character- this was one of Cersei’s best moments. You can feel the depth in her character 😔 what a long journey to her looking out windows drinking wine.
All those years of moaning about a woman who didn't even want him. One that he probably barely even knew. And he often took his anger out on Cersei. Love her or hate her, she deserved better.
And with that answer he sealed his fate. Cercei thought maybe I’ll give him a chance nope looks like he’s going to be gored by a wild boar. I’m sending Lancel off to get him blinding drunk on that hunt.
Nothing left for her to work with. She didn't want him physically near and she could pursue her own strategies alone. Her ego was hurt by his honest rejection - she is a beautiful and fairly intelligent woman. She really didn't feel anything for Robert right then as he tripped the decision to have him killed. No anger, nothing. Indifference is the true opposite of love and hate.
I could be over thinking, but i feel that "No" from Robert officially signed his death sentence. Whatever doubt Cersei might have had about taking him out disappeared at that momen, and that's when she decided to kill him come hell or high water.
No she would have done it either way. She did it to guard the secret of her children's incestuous parentage. Plus Joffrey was at an age to rule so she didn't need Robert anymore and she had established her power base. She was even outmaneuvering her own family members. Only her father could control her. Robert really allowed the Lannisters to do whatever they wanted..
i fell like she was already so done with him...she merely asked to know if she should also relieve herself on his grave after .There was no mercy in Cercei at this point. She was just wondering exacly how much she should hate him.
@@alexanderrmz9701her face tells a slightly different story. I think that “no”pained her for the last time, then she turned it completely off (any morsel of hope for Robert and her) and she was then fully committed at that point to offing him.
The fact that he said he wanted Lynna not loved Her. He just wanted her , nothing else. He would still have been same cheating asshole. He was also terrible king. Only because he came after mad king doesnt make him any good. Really feel bad for Cersei here. Any women who go through something like this would become resentful ,angry , vengeful. Robert didnt had any right to destroy a womans life by marrying her when he was obsessed by someone else.
Well Robert didn’t have a lot of choice. Tywin helped him win the war in a big way, he kind of owed him. Plus, at the time, the Lannisters were the richest House in Westeros, and war is seriously expensive. Robert and his allies would have needed financial resources that Tywin was able to provide. Especially since even after dethroning the Targaryens they couldn’t be sure if they wouldn’t end up going to war with Dorne. If Robert had a choice I doubt he would have married Cersei. But that leaves his newly secured rule in jeopardy if he doesn’t have a legally legitimate heir, and of the choices available to him, Cersei was the best choice. But I agree, Cersei had every right to hate him and resist him as much as she was able. And yes- even if Robert had married Lyanna, he wouldn’t have been any different, at least not on his own. Ned would have had to try and restrain his impulses, but bc Robert was King, I doubt Ned would have spoken out of turn to Robert, at least not enough that it would have ever stopped Robert from being unfaithful. If anything, I think Robert would have been even worse with Lyanna, bc she would have never tolerated his behavior lying down. She would have rebelled against him in way she could have, bc Lyanna never stood to be told what to do or what her place was, unlike Cersei, who at least played the part of a dutiful wife/queen in front of others.
If Robert had simply said yes. If he had simply allowed himself to love Cersi she might not have been so fucking terrible. Edit: Didn't think this would be such a controversial opinion lol either way I still believe if Robert had put him pain and loss into his ability to love Cersi and got her away from her Father maybe she wouldn't have been so bad. Not saying she wouldn't do all of the shit but ya know maybe less of it
Robert didn’t love Lyanna. He’s just the typical asshole guy who “wants what he can’t have”. She was pretty, he wanted her, she ran away with someone else and his massive ego couldn’t even fathom that maybe it was because she didn’t want him back. Then he spent the rest of his life bitter about it
@@PhebusdesTours Aenar took multiple wives with him when he left for dragonstone. Aegon I wed both his sisters. A point which Daemon brings up when trying to convince Visyres to wed Rhaenyra to him.
That’s exactly what I always thought - he might have loved her but he adored her and put her on a pedestal when she was gone. And yeah he couldn’t ever have tolerated the thought there was anything else behind the story than a brute kidnapping her and taking her away from him . Which probably hurt him more than the hurt of actually losing her
Gorgeous music, great lines, and cersei... The way she took a drink of wine after he destroyed her and then said she felt nothing... It all makes sense
Right! What pain it brings me to think how it was ruined by speeding through the last little bit of the seasons. I mean, I think the show could’ve ended no other way; however, they just HAD to rush it and say “fuck the writing”
No he's just a pig. He just realized someone was "taken away" from him, and that's the ONLY part that mattered to him. Lyanna never mattered to him. At all. It's only just the fact that he's someone who's got stolen from.
Rhaegar f*cked up, and so did Lyanna. I love Targaryens and that's why I'm mad at him and her. They had the AUDACITY no name the child Aegon when Rhaegar ALREADY had boy called Aegon it's like they knew Elia and her children would be killed and they didn't care. Those two are the worst, not to mention the destruction of house Targaryen because of their stupidity. Now in the books we don't know. I still hate Rhaegar tho.
@@julikroos in the books , Jon's real name is still unknown. Pretty sure he is Lyanna's kid because Jon , Lyanna , Arya all have similar faces , we don't know exactly about the Rhaeger affair.
@@subratanandy2142 it's not explicity said that he looks like lyanna but they say he looks like Ned. (I know, Ly is his sister so it makes sense). I love book Jon and I hope he gets to meet Dany ❤️
He didn't love lyanna She was an object he coveted and was denied. He was a spoiled high born brat who was never denied anything and she didn't want him and she was taken away.
Taken away? Ran off with a married father of 2 kids (that later got their heads caved in as the final consequence of this adultery), that must be what you mean
In the books, I believe he catches joffrey torturing a cat to death, and it's disguised him as it DEEPLY Disturbed him. So much so. He seriously threatens Joffrey and Cersie threatens that if he does anything, she will kill him in his bed while he lays. So Robert drops the argument. But he says that catching his son in the middle of unmercifully torturing the cat ruthlessly disturbs and deeply scares him. Years later, he begins to recall the memory by thinking as if he is talking to Ole Ned, he thinks to himself. "Oh Ned Oh my best friend, how did I ever make that." "HOW could I EVER make that…..."
@@uraidtariq12 the books are greatly different than the show, but cersei did in fact allude to killing him in his sleep or something to that nature. This shit in the show she basically calls him a bitch. Which he did slap her. But that's cuz he was embarrassed cuz she said that in front of his best friend AKA another king. When does joffrey argument happened in the books it was completely isolated to a family matter. So it's obviously different situation. But like I said the books are greatly different. Shit... in the books, currently, Stannis is still alive the battle of the bastards wasn't between Jon Snow and the Bolton's. Shit, Jon Snow is still dead and hasn't even been resurrected yet. Stannis is predicted to win the fight between the Bolton's. Also all the stark children are wargs and it's because of their bloodline, not a gift from the one eyed raven. Arya doesn't kill the bald guy who, murdered Lommey in the fight in the tavern with the hound. That happens later in, in order to get the jump on him (I think dude name is Pollock or something that's starts with a P) she sleeps with him and as she rides him, she then kills him while on top of him. Also in the show Arya is a lot more psychopathic than in the show, her mind starts to become more hardcore as the time goes by by witnessing the horrible stuff she's endured.
I believe that Cersei would have turned out different if Robert would have treated her differently. He is partly to blame for the Cersei we ended up getting.
@@inceptionarts2947in the show she had a mind for politics and the ruthlessness to pull it off. She wasn’t as intelligent as Tyrion because she didn’t read as much as him. But she definitely has a mind for ruling and politics.
@@alphachief5425 Lol, she didn't. She didn't know when to make friends and when to make enemies. She was just cruel and intimidating to Sansa for no reason. She just went at Margaery showing she despised her from the get go instead of trying to use her to get what they could from house Tyrell. Cersei wasn't smart or intelligent, she was just a fool with privilege. Had the writing on the show being consistent, she wouldn't have had herself any allies than Euron Greyjoy after she blew up the scept and killed a thousand nobles while disregarding the religion of the 7. Cersei was just ruthless for no reason.
Nah it's said multiple times in the book cersei wanted to be tywin but fell short. She was a wannabe but wasn't actually politically savvy. You can tell in the show by all the stupid things she does out of spite or ego. Something that tywin would never do.
@@Auditioneereman, Tywin acted out of ego all the time. When he had his goons raid the Riverlands, when he mistreated Tyrion, probably when he had Elia's children murdered as revenge for the Targaryens rejecting Cersei. Cersei is mindlessly trying to ape what she thinks is what made Tywin successful: spitefulness, treachery, and cruelty. Indeed, she has reason to think that these habits are correct. She's made it this far, after all.
Her face when she asks him if there was ever a moment he might have given her a chance & he says no…….. heartbroken. She then quickly sips her wine and tries hard to pretend it’s fine.
She didn’t really love Rhaegar. He was an escape, and a novelty. They’d met once before they ran off. She spoke a big game about how Robert would never be faithful to her, but ran off with a married father of two. Rhaegar symbolised freedom for Lyanna, and, ironically, he killed her
Fate punished Robert harshly, because he keeps lying to himself that Lyanna was his one true love. In reality he whored as much as he wanted, and that caused her to leave him. She wasn't taken, he removed her with his own infidelity. His own story is a false one.
Why do I feel like this is the most sincere Cersei's ever been? Even though she wanted to be queen more than anything, I don't know if love is in her vocabulary. And Robert....Lyanna left you, she may have been your great love, but you weren't hers. (And you can't even remember her 😅
Nah- the worst part was, Lyanna never loved him. She married in secret and bore a son with the man she loved, but Rob never would have accepted the truth if he knew. He went to war for ego, obsession- not love
Lyanna didn’t marry Rhaegar. He was already married. Bigamy was illegal in Westeros and there was absolutely zero way Rhaegar could have had his valuable political marriage annulled. And he didn’t love her, she was a means to an end for him. Jon Snow is a bastard, but he’s a Sand, not a Snow.
That is the most cruel, honest dialogue ever committed to film. Tragic, beautiful and painful. They could have had the strongest marriage if his false memory hadn't tricked him into unrequited false love. Liana never felt anything for him and now Cersei can't either.
Interesting that she mentions losing their boy here. Many thought she made that up when telling Catelyn Stark. I wonder if it really happened? We know that at least once they had actual sex (she told Ed Stark about him crawling on top of her and the pain sounded real) before she started using other means to satisfy him without actual sex (mentioned in the book). 🤔
She only asked to hear him say yes or perhaps. His blunt “no”made a gaping hole in ego so vast the Milky Way could fit in! Just a pun that milky way thing!
I literally feel bad for Rhaegar and Lyanna 😢 they were each liked by someone else but couldn't love these people because it wasn't true. They loved each other 😢
Fuck Rhaegar, he left his wife and child to die and started a war so he can get with someone who was already betrothed to someone else. He got what he had coming.
Congratulations, shame about the tens of thousands who had to die because Lyanna decided to be a homewrecker and Rhaegar decided his wife wasn’t enough, so they decide to run away together without telling anyone about it.
Rhaegar kidnapped/groomed a teenager to have a third head of the dragon xDDD fuck that guy, he had a wife and two children. Rhaegar was a cunt who didn't care for the safety of her or anyone else and in the end a young girl, his wife and two innocent children lost their lifes (well, one if you believe that Varys really saved Aegon), not mentioning 1000s of people dying in the war. Rhaegar was so pathetic and dumb.
That talk about Lyanna like she’s been dead for half a century, when Jon is about what 14 in the books? 17 in the show at this point? Really not that long ago, yet the show makes it seem like no one remembers the horrors do the mad king or Rhagar and everyone living then would mostly still be alive under Robert and then under Cersei.
Maybe if Robert wasn't addicted to whores, Lyanna would have stayed with him. And the war wouldn't have begun. But then again, the mad king was still mad, soooo idk. But i really like this scene, where both are honest and talk plainly with respect for eachother
Is it bad that I hate Robert more than I hate Cersei? Yes she was horrible. But it was human and because she had to be horrid to be powerful and power means everything for a person in Westeros. But Robert... Robert had all that any man could want and lost it over a desire. He didn't even lose it actually. He just wasted it. He never bothered to find the worth in anything in the world after losing Lyanna - a woman who didn't even want him, who was terrified of what he would to do her child. Robert is a bad person. Cersei's actions may seem terrible. But Robert's inaction is far more detestable
At the core of their toxic relationship is the fact Robert never loved or even cared for Cersi, admitting it here. It was doomed from the beginning and all of this could have been avoided if he truly tried to make it work with her. The other one to actually be blamed in Ned. This is his best friend, and he never held him accountable for his exploits, knowing he was betrothed to Lyanna. He just stayed quiet.
Lol people keep forgetting that both of them were genuinely terrible people. Cersei was a raging narcissist who had never experienced any boundaries or opposition, and Robert was a drunk rapist who was happy about the gruesome murder of Elia and her children, and generally let the 7 kingdoms go to shit. They absolutely deserved each other. And the grand irony is that Cersei was in love with Rhaegar, Robert was in love with Lyanna and they still would have turned out to be miserable if both of them had gotten their way with the people they loved.
The writing was the best on TV then. The one thing the show achieved beyond the books was to humanize Cersei. Her motivations were much more complex in the show's early seasons.
This was one of the best interactions/dialogues in this series. It's the first and last time you feel bad for Cersei.
Shame .
I never felt bad for her, only disappointed we didn’t get to see her get arse rammed by the mountain against her will
Shame
Shame
*bell sound*
Both of them honest and genuine. It’s funny how you like people when are genuine, whether they are good or bad
When she said "doesn't make me feel anything" indicating she doesn't love him at all. The only reason why she wanted to know about the woman is because she was worried there's another heir to the throne 😮
She didn't love him at that point, she used to
She literally said she loved him at one point. Now no of course not she's only inquiring because she's planning to kill him and have her children in the throne.
You're not the brighest star in the Milky Way aren't you
You could really see a sliver of her humanity here
Imagine if Cersei had learned the truth about Jon Snow....
even she found out about nothing would've change. She knew that Rhaegar had two children. She loved the idea of marrying Rhaegar just like Robert
The figures of the rebellion was the Baratheon, the Starks, the Knights of the Vale, the Tullies. Robbert, Ned, Jhon Arryn and Stannis were the four majors figures of the rebellion. Twin was late, he only fought when the Capital is fallen. Twin was neutral in the war. May be he was afraid that The rebellion ended worse for the rebels. But, when He saw the productivity of the rebels, he came. The freys also was late and the Tullies said that to Lord Frey.
Back then I felt for her.
This is one of my favorites scenes in GOT
Liana dodged a massive bullet
Well then Bobby you shouldn't have been making bastards in the Vale
The music it just.. What a cinema
It’s crazy cause I think he wasn’t in love with lyanna just obsessed with her because they met only twice and I’m sure ned said that Robert barely knew her
"And that night he crawled on top of me, stinking of wine, and did what he did, what little he could do... and he whispered in my ear "Lyanna"... Your sister was a corpse and I was a living girl and he loved her more than me." Cersei Lannister
Yeah I’d have hated his guts too if I were her😂
This is the only time I can say about cersei: I don't blame her, just for this
Oof
This is like the yes and no of Cersei Lannister. Yes, it’s humiliating for a newly wed to hear their partner say someone else’s name in bed. Also No, Cersei’s personal vanity is “Really? You love some ugly horse-faced Stark girl more when you have golden-haired perfection like me? Screw you.” That’s Cersei Lannister.
Except.. It was lust, not love. On Robert's part.
Every time I hear her say "what harm could Lyanna Starks ghost do" I see Jon snow
To be fair, still nothing. Job didn't want the iron throne and to be honest I don't think cersei wanted the north, it held very little strategic value and would have created less wars to leave the northerners alone.
She demonstrates this by stateing
Ned stark son is a man of honour. She didn't say bastard. She showed him respect
*Jon Snow and his direwolf, Ghost!
@Apechesh true...the North was vast and large, whomever fought with the North was guaranteed a win, like with the Blacks vs Greens war
@@LadyCheshire95 the best kings are the ones who don’t want to rule the best warriors are the ones who don’t want to fight -Alistair
@@LadyCheshire95I feel like she didn't say bastard because of her own children being bastards
You want to know the really horrible truth? Robert was never really in love with Lyanna, he was more in love with the idea of Lyanna. He believed that Lyanna could have been the woman that could have tamed the warrior within him, but no woman could have done that. He would have been loyal to her for a little while but soon enough he would have caught the eye of some pretty serving wench and gone back to his lecherous ways, and Lyanna knew that.
We can fool ourselves, even for a lifetime.
He kill the prince won the rebellion and for 17 years was mourning the death of her. He really loved her
@@alshankhan9091 He barely even met her, killing the Prince and winning the Rebellion has nothing to do with anything.
@@alshankhan9091 lol he saw her as a prize. He never truly loved her.
@@alshankhan9091 no. She became a martyr to him, an ideal that no one else could top. And he clearly didn't love her enough to stop sleeping with serving girls.
In the books Lyanna was bethroed to Robert but his actions of just sleeping around and visiting brothels made her resent him and not want to marry him. None of the male Starks would do that which is why she expected her future husband to not do that as well. When he did, she just began to hate him and realised that he'd keep doing the same even after their marriage so she decided to elope with Prince Rhaegar whom she actually liked and was also liked by.
And also Elia knew so it wasn’t infidelity by Rhaegar. Elia couldn’t have any more children But Rhaegar was obsessed with “the dragon has three heads” so he wanted a third child, a son he and Elia believed would be the Prince Who Was Promised. Lyanna must have known the deal.
@@RustyClumpsI hope so because that would have made her a huge hypocrite. I hope we see something like this in the books.
None of the male starks would do that? Come on not all starks are noble like Ned. Since you read the books you should know Brandon starks, Ned’s brother did sleep around before getting engaged to Catelyn. Its in Theon’s chapters in A Feast For Crows.
@@tanzeelahmed164 There is two theories for me in Brandon case.
Lady Dustin is lying, possible but unlikely.
Rickard Stark did everything in their power to prevent that Lyanna connect with the real world, so she wouldn't know about Brandon being the wild Wolf, different from Robert that everyone know how he was.
A childish girl taken away by tales.
@annavictrix
Also, people seem to forget that she was Oberyn's sister and she was marrying a targaryan.
Given her brother's lifestyle and her knowledge of targaryan history, it's totally possible that she went into the marriage without the expectation of unconditional fidelity.
No one mentioned how Elia looked at the tourney at harrenhall, she might not have even been upset. At least Rheagar cared enough about Elia not force her to keep trying to have another child when it could have killed her.
Instead, it's clearly possible--based in Danys vision at the house of the undying--that he spoke to her ( about having another child, and she knew about his obsession with prophecy and the dragon needing 3 heads. In real life, they might have spoken bluntly about rheagar taking a mistress or even a 2nd wife.
Also, after Robert took over, all Targaryan loyalists were in danger--that included the Danyes and Ashara, who was Elias lady in waiting. Ashara needed to dissappear and so did Arthur Dayne. It makes me really doubt that Ashara committed suicide rather than went into hiding.
And why was Arthur at the tower of joy instead of guarding rheagar at the trident. He might have survived if Arthur had been by his side. But whatever was at that tower was more important to him than his own life.
And how did Ned find out that lyanna was at the tower of joy? Why was she there with rheagar during the majority of the war? Who was bringing them food, who helped lyanna through the birth? The only house nearby was starfall.
And why would the daynes nickname their heir Ned if he actually killed Arthur or did anything to dishonor Ashara.
There's so many questions about the rebellion that when you ask one, you realize another one
It's odd Cersei and Robert didn't bond over this. Considering Cersei was once meant for Rhaegar and he broke that.
They can't. Because they aren't compatible and we're too sunken into their own woes to seek solace in each other's arms.
Rhaegar didn't break it. I believe it was his father, Aerys II. Aerys told Tywin that he would not allow a marriage between them because the Lannisters weren't good enough. When in reality, Aerys was afraid that they would become more powerful than the Targareyn's.
Rhaegars father broke it off
Cersei and Rhaegar were never betrothed. Aerys wouldn’t allow it. Especially after his imprisonment at Duskendale.
Cersei was NEVER meant for Rhaegar. Tywin tried to manipulate Aerys in to betrothing Rhaegar to Cersei but Aerys laughed at him. Aerys may have been completely mad, however he wasn’t stupid enough to betroth Rhaegar to a Lannister.
The sad thing is Lyanna didn’t want him at all and all of horrible things he done just because he thought “she was stollen from him”
What horrible thing did robert do?
@@bodhisatwasarkar9199 He and Tywin Lannister basically murdered all Targaryen family even the babies.. Only Dany and her brother managed to escape
@@eb4771and Jon
@@eb4771while I do think the butchering of the babies was a very cruel the rebellion was absolutely justified. Tywin killed those babies and presented them to robert as gifts to show his loyalty since he didn't take part in the war. So robert has no blood of targ babes on his hands. He did send assassins to murder dany and viserys but he was not successful. So robert has killed 0 babies . The only targ he killed was that idiot rhaegar and he was a married man who stole his betrothed.
@eb4771 Is that why? Wow. I could've sworn Rhaegar and Lyanna's goofy asses left without a word, leading people to believe that she was kidnapped. Lyanna's father and brother are executed by Aerys Targaryen after they head to King's Landing to get justice for Lyanna.
None of this is on Robert Aerys, Tywin, Ned, etc...this is on Lyanna and Rhaegar. The fact they KNEW a war was brewing due to their absence these two idiots should've made their way back to King's Landing to clear their little indiscretions up. Sure, people would be hurt.....heartbroken and embarrassed if you're poor Elia Martell, and indefinitely disinherited, but no war begins.
I love Jon to pieces but no one can ever make me even have a sliver of affection for the two dicks that created him..
“Someone took her away from me and seven kingdoms couldn’t fill the hole she left behind.” The writing and acting is amazing. I wish we got to see more of Robert
It really is amazing. And totally agree, I loved Robert, he should have been in the whole first to second season
Any and every time we (the audience) thought we'd developed an intrest in any character,, you know that was their doom
Yes
It still hurt her. She claims it didn’t make her feel anything. Her face tells a different story. 🍷
I think she's trying to convince herself with the murder plot, and that is the last nail she needed to go with it.
@@william0513, his answer definitely didn’t help him in anyway for sure! 😂🔨⚰️
@@william0513me too, i think the same! Its like she wanted an honest conversation + kinda goodbye + she don't wanna feel she made a mistake ploting his murder now that he said NO
@fam6746 yhh that's all it was, confirmation, she was going to kill him but this just, like everyone said, put the nail in the coffin. And plus I don't blame cersi for it. Girls back then we're groomed to only ever want marriage with some dude that was arranged for them. Kinda sad really. Glad she killed him tho, lol😂😅
@@william0513Same, I think it's clear in hindsight that she decided to kill him right then. She had been considering it because she could not bear to be in their relationship anymore, and his death was the only way to end it and still stay with her children (let alone staying alive), but she much preferred fixing their relationship to ending it, and still had hope it could be possible. She probably struggled with trying to deal with that hope for a long time. But his "no" here dispels her hope once and for all, and she is suddenly hit with the clarity of what she has to do. "It doesn't make me feel anything" is true in the sense that she doesn't feel disappointed or sad or happy about his answer, she has stopped caring and worrying and hoping. She lets him go right in that moment, and his fate is sealed.
It's much like when Lady Olenna talks to Sansa to find out if the rumours about Joffrey is true. When she says it's "a pity" that Joffrey is a monster, she just seems slightly bummed that Margaery's life as queen won't be as easy as hoped, when what she's actually bummed about is that she'll have to go through with the option of killing Joffrey.
The two scenes are obviously alike in the sense that they depict a conversation where one party is told a harsh and disappointing truth, and you feel sorry for them, not realising that they already have a solution for their problem in mind, namely murder, and decide on it in that moment.
One way in which they are not alike, though, is the opposite emotional implications for the two characters. For Cersei, whose worries have been weighing heavily on her, eating at her, and directly impacting her life for a long time, the moment brings relief because she lets go of all her worries in that moment. For Olenna, whose worries were hypothetical, had not yet impacted her life, and might even have turned out to be proven unfounded, the moment brings tension because her worries become solidified in that moment, and not just her initial worries about what Margaery would have to endure if the rumours were true, but also new worries about whether or not she can pull off the big plans, i.e. carrying out the murder without getting caught *and* securing a new betrothal to Tommen, plus having to rely on Baelish not to sell her out at any point in the future.
I feel like I lack a conclusion, but this whole thing is probably long enough already. Thanks to anyone who bothered reading! 🥔
an amazing, powerful scene and it was written for the show only. how did they fall from grace so hard 😞
Season 1s probably have the longest time for writing and construction.
@@pcharl01 too true, too true
They didn't write shit they adapted the books then they ran out of them and started actually writing except it was terrible
@@nicenamenicesurname8365 yeah but this scene (and many others) weren't in the books 🤷
@@sammakesstuff4176 your mom wasn't in em
It’s so crazy because it was all in his head
He was promised a girl as a child and ran with it... He didn't love her he love the idea of her he didn't even know her.
@@mikilacunningham6259She didn't either, she loved rhyghar Targaryen (probably) and this delusional man killed the only man that was going to be the greatest King westros could have especially in fighting the others and possible invaders.
@@johanebrown1764Rhaegar wouldn’t have been the greatest king. He was impulsive and stupid enough to run off with a betrothed noble woman from one of the most powerful houses.
@@johanebrown1764Rhaegar started a war and destroyed his own house so that h could fuck a teenager he’d met twice. He would not have been a wise king.
Did Robert really love Lyanna tho? He barely knew her and she definitely did not feel the same. I feel like if they had actually been married it wouldn't have been a very happy one and Bobby B would have just turned to the bottle and gotten tubs anyway 🤷
Robert was in love with the idea of Lyanna, of being Ned’s brother in more than affection. Robert never was close with his own family so I imagine the idea of marrying his best friend’s sister was very nice. I’m sure that Robert was also attracted to her more traditionally masculine interest like riding horses or hunting.
@@basiosrasian225 yeah going hunting with his wife was def Rob's wet dream, but doesn't mean they would have been a good match 😅 Having her 'stolen' from him and her untimely death also boosted her into mythical levels of hotness for him
It was the hunt to have her that drove the sadness. The ultimate temptation that was never had.
I asked Chat GPT that. Could Robert have changed if he married Lyanna? Cause that was his great flaw that disturbed Lyanna; his "whoring" as Bobby B himself puts it. What Chat GPT basically said was that we can never know for certain. Human nature is a funny thing. You peg someone as one thing, and sometimes with a little push, they'll surprise you. I'd like to think he could. I also kinda think that Rhaegar, even though he may have had "love" for Lyanna, believed in the "Prince that was promised" prophecy more. Which is why he tasked three Kingsguard to protect Lyanna. He wouldn't have the prophecy not come to pass, not with how much he's done to have it happen. Funny thing is, both Rhaegar and Aerys II had three kids. So who is the true Prince I wonder?
@@sammakesstuff4176 Robert was not that much in love with Lyanna , Lyanna didn't even like him not even a tiny bit. Their marriage would've been a disaster. Robert just wanted to keep his bestie and his sister forever by his side and do fun things with them ; that is just a desire for friendship, not romantic love .
Its no wonder she hated Lyanna so much. She first loved Rhaegal and then Robert and then both of them turned out to be obsessed with Lyanna.
I understand her now why she chose Jaime in the end, bc the other guys she loved both betrayed her, but Jaime always styed by her side til the end.
@@chonabi9642 wth.... they're siblings...wdym you understand why she chose him
@@noone7767 You sound like an 8 year old. If you've watch the show and have some braincells to process stuffs, you'd understand my opinion.
@@noone7767 Maybe that's why. Because she felt like everyone else betrays her. Only a male copy of herself could be trusted :D
@@Evija3000 given that she's a cheater herself...a male copy of her would be worse
Lena Headey is such a phenomenal actress
Yea she was also great in 300 as queen of Sparta ..
YES!!!
As a character- this was one of Cersei’s best moments. You can feel the depth in her character 😔 what a long journey to her looking out windows drinking wine.
All those years of moaning about a woman who didn't even want him. One that he probably barely even knew. And he often took his anger out on Cersei. Love her or hate her, she deserved better.
And with that answer he sealed his fate. Cercei thought maybe I’ll give him a chance nope looks like he’s going to be gored by a wild boar. I’m sending Lancel off to get him blinding drunk on that hunt.
Nothing left for her to work with. She didn't want him physically near and she could pursue her own strategies alone.
Her ego was hurt by his honest rejection - she is a beautiful and fairly intelligent woman. She really didn't feel anything for Robert right then as he tripped the decision to have him killed. No anger, nothing. Indifference is the true opposite of love and hate.
I could be over thinking, but i feel that "No" from Robert officially signed his death sentence. Whatever doubt Cersei might have had about taking him out disappeared at that momen, and that's when she decided to kill him come hell or high water.
That was my thought too, Robert signed his death warrant by being honest
No she would have done it either way. She did it to guard the secret of her children's incestuous parentage.
Plus Joffrey was at an age to rule so she didn't need Robert anymore and she had established her power base. She was even outmaneuvering her own family members. Only her father could control her. Robert really allowed the Lannisters to do whatever they wanted..
i fell like she was already so done with him...she merely asked to know if she should also relieve herself on his grave after .There was no mercy in Cercei at this point. She was just wondering exacly how much she should hate him.
There should be a spin off about King Robert's Rebellion
Yes I would like to watch that
Yessssss!!!!!
Yesss. I want to lynaa rhaegar love story
Yes pleaseeeee
All he had to do was say, “Yes, there was a moment”… and the show would have been drastically different… Cersai as well…
Dont you hear? She doesnt feel anything.
@@alexanderrmz9701her face tells a slightly different story. I think that “no”pained her for the last time, then she turned it completely off (any morsel of hope for Robert and her) and she was then fully committed at that point to offing him.
Feels kind of interesting to know this is all just about a man being totally unable to take a hint… she just wasn’t into him 😂
He doesn’t seem to be into her. Actually, she said she ones felt something for him. But he says there was never a chance
@@abdula16I think the commenter meant Lyanna, not Cersei
The only honest conversation these 2 ever had
That scene was quite wholesome. They were honest and kind in their ways, to each other... Lovely scene.
I would say honesty and vulnerable but not quite kind. I don't think i ever saw them quite kind to each other.
Have u watched the show?
Bro dont get it twisted, cersei willingly had his child aborted and willingly arranges his death by boar lol
@@joaovictor3312I mean, she did say she tried to love him. This scene just goes to show what led up to all of that hatred and eventually murder.
@@thatcitrusfriend6234 She's a liar though. She always wanted Jaime and power. Robert had power.
It wasn’t Lyanna that did it. It was Rhaegar spurning her AND Robert. Two men rejected her over the same girl
The fact that he said he wanted Lynna not loved Her. He just wanted her , nothing else. He would still have been same cheating asshole. He was also terrible king. Only because he came after mad king doesnt make him any good.
Really feel bad for Cersei here. Any women who go through something like this would become resentful ,angry , vengeful.
Robert didnt had any right to destroy a womans life by marrying her when he was obsessed by someone else.
Well Robert didn’t have a lot of choice. Tywin helped him win the war in a big way, he kind of owed him. Plus, at the time, the Lannisters were the richest House in Westeros, and war is seriously expensive. Robert and his allies would have needed financial resources that Tywin was able to provide. Especially since even after dethroning the Targaryens they couldn’t be sure if they wouldn’t end up going to war with Dorne.
If Robert had a choice I doubt he would have married Cersei. But that leaves his newly secured rule in jeopardy if he doesn’t have a legally legitimate heir, and of the choices available to him, Cersei was the best choice. But I agree, Cersei had every right to hate him and resist him as much as she was able.
And yes- even if Robert had married Lyanna, he wouldn’t have been any different, at least not on his own. Ned would have had to try and restrain his impulses, but bc Robert was King, I doubt Ned would have spoken out of turn to Robert, at least not enough that it would have ever stopped Robert from being unfaithful. If anything, I think Robert would have been even worse with Lyanna, bc she would have never tolerated his behavior lying down. She would have rebelled against him in way she could have, bc Lyanna never stood to be told what to do or what her place was, unlike Cersei, who at least played the part of a dutiful wife/queen in front of others.
As cersei don't deserve this shi lol
True
Theirs wasn’t a marriage for live, it was a marriage to cement alliances. That’s the purpose of marriage at that level of society.
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Ughh, season one dialogue was just *chefs kiss
Robert doesn’t understand women at all to him they are no different than lands to conquer. Lyanna was the one got away. That’s all it.
Gods the dialogue was strong then
I scrolled just to find this comment XD
God yes. As much as I enjoyed the scrappy old lady's insults in the memes, there was no gravity. This was so thoughtful. Hopeful, even.
And the long shots with zoom and the music👌🏾✨
There's a reason why the show was so popular when it started
If Robert had simply said yes. If he had simply allowed himself to love Cersi she might not have been so fucking terrible.
Edit: Didn't think this would be such a controversial opinion lol either way I still believe if Robert had put him pain and loss into his ability to love Cersi and got her away from her Father maybe she wouldn't have been so bad. Not saying she wouldn't do all of the shit but ya know maybe less of it
you can't force feelings and lying about them is even worse
Except Cersei was always terrible
Unlikely Cersei was always an egotistical narcissist
It is not something you can choose.
I love how she got to be a person in the show tho, in the books she's just... Absolutely vile.
Probably the most human Cercesi ever was. Until the the every end of the clip and she sips the wine and puts the mask back on...
Robert didn’t love Lyanna. He’s just the typical asshole guy who “wants what he can’t have”. She was pretty, he wanted her, she ran away with someone else and his massive ego couldn’t even fathom that maybe it was because she didn’t want him back. Then he spent the rest of his life bitter about it
Lyaana herself is no better than robert going after a married man with 2 children.
@@heartlesslove9084 she didn’t go after him, he pursued her and it wasn’t uncommon or unheard of for Targaryens to have multiple wives.
@randimahoney3289 Yes it was, King Maegor did it but was infamous and considered abnormal for doing so.
@@PhebusdesTours Aenar took multiple wives with him when he left for dragonstone. Aegon I wed both his sisters. A point which Daemon brings up when trying to convince Visyres to wed Rhaenyra to him.
That’s exactly what I always thought - he might have loved her but he adored her and put her on a pedestal when she was gone. And yeah he couldn’t ever have tolerated the thought there was anything else behind the story than a brute kidnapping her and taking her away from him . Which probably hurt him more than the hurt of actually losing her
Gorgeous music, great lines, and cersei... The way she took a drink of wine after he destroyed her and then said she felt nothing... It all makes sense
I totally forgot how well written the first seasons were … this show was supposed to be the goat of all shows and they just ruined it
Blame Martin and his refusal to continue writing.
Right! What pain it brings me to think how it was ruined by speeding through the last little bit of the seasons. I mean, I think the show could’ve ended no other way; however, they just HAD to rush it and say “fuck the writing”
Lyanna Starks ghost literally crawled out of the crypt in season 8. Director confirms It was literallly her decrepit body oh my god 😭
What!? Which episode was it?
@@Lunicia_the_crazy_healer ep 3. She thought Gillys baby was her babby Eggon 😭
Jons own mother fighting for night king lmao! 😂😂😂
Yoo where did you read that?? i need to see it for myself 🤣🤣
The transformation from genuine emotionally naive Cersei to the fake smug better-than-you Cersei is so apparent now and so well done my god
She had already planned his murder with her cousin by this time, and after this conversation she definitely didn’t regret a bit of it.
One of the greatest conversations between two characters. Just honest. Sometimes hard to hear. But honest.
Robert sealed his fate, in the Eyes of Cersei on this day.
No he's just a pig. He just realized someone was "taken away" from him, and that's the ONLY part that mattered to him. Lyanna never mattered to him. At all. It's only just the fact that he's someone who's got stolen from.
Elia, rhaegar, lyanna, Robert, Cersei, Jamie, Ned, Cat, peter, Lysa, Jon arryn .. Everyone suffered coz of love
Rhaegar f*cked up, and so did Lyanna. I love Targaryens and that's why I'm mad at him and her. They had the AUDACITY no name the child Aegon when Rhaegar ALREADY had boy called Aegon it's like they knew Elia and her children would be killed and they didn't care. Those two are the worst, not to mention the destruction of house Targaryen because of their stupidity.
Now in the books we don't know. I still hate Rhaegar tho.
Robbie
@@julikroos in the books , Jon's real name is still unknown. Pretty sure he is Lyanna's kid because Jon , Lyanna , Arya all have similar faces , we don't know exactly about the Rhaeger affair.
@@subratanandy2142 it's not explicity said that he looks like lyanna but they say he looks like Ned. (I know, Ly is his sister so it makes sense). I love book Jon and I hope he gets to meet Dany ❤️
He didn’t actually love her his ego got struck by the man who kidnap her 😅😂😂😂😂😂
She killed this role🔥
She’s just so god damn beautiful
He didn't love lyanna
She was an object he coveted and was denied. He was a spoiled high born brat who was never denied anything and she didn't want him and she was taken away.
Taken away? Ran off with a married father of 2 kids (that later got their heads caved in as the final consequence of this adultery), that must be what you mean
Lena Headey and Mark Addy played off each other so well.
Everyone talking about Cersei, Robert, Lyanna and Rhaegar suffering the most forgot about Elia Martell, the pride of Dorne...
Almost like he knew/Suspicious of what the Siblings were doing.
In every intreaction with Jeoffrey he approached him like his legitimate son.
He knew what was going on between her and her brother.
In the books, I believe he catches joffrey torturing a cat to death, and it's disguised him as it DEEPLY Disturbed him. So much so. He seriously threatens Joffrey and Cersie threatens that if he does anything, she will kill him in his bed while he lays. So Robert drops the argument. But he says that catching his son in the middle of unmercifully torturing the cat ruthlessly disturbs and deeply scares him. Years later, he begins to recall the memory by thinking as if he is talking to Ole Ned, he thinks to himself. "Oh Ned Oh my best friend, how did I ever make that." "HOW could I EVER make that…..."
@@michaelrice7147She threatened the king? Sounds unbelievable.
@@uraidtariq12 the books are greatly different than the show, but cersei did in fact allude to killing him in his sleep or something to that nature. This shit in the show she basically calls him a bitch. Which he did slap her. But that's cuz he was embarrassed cuz she said that in front of his best friend AKA another king. When does joffrey argument happened in the books it was completely isolated to a family matter. So it's obviously different situation. But like I said the books are greatly different. Shit... in the books, currently, Stannis is still alive the battle of the bastards wasn't between Jon Snow and the Bolton's. Shit, Jon Snow is still dead and hasn't even been resurrected yet. Stannis is predicted to win the fight between the Bolton's. Also all the stark children are wargs and it's because of their bloodline, not a gift from the one eyed raven. Arya doesn't kill the bald guy who, murdered Lommey in the fight in the tavern with the hound. That happens later in, in order to get the jump on him (I think dude name is Pollock or something that's starts with a P) she sleeps with him and as she rides him, she then kills him while on top of him. Also in the show Arya is a lot more psychopathic than in the show, her mind starts to become more hardcore as the time goes by by witnessing the horrible stuff she's endured.
I believe that Cersei would have turned out different if Robert would have treated her differently. He is partly to blame for the Cersei we ended up getting.
Nah. Cersei was always stupid and wicked. She tortured servants at Casterly rock. She was rude to the witch woman Maggie.
To the person who uploaded this video: her name is spelled Lyanna, not Liyana.
Ok Hermione Granger
@@Britt-zt6bi Who?
@@rachelfox8108 Harry Potter? Lol she's one of his best friends
@@Britt-zt6bi Not familiar. Is it from a book? A show?
@Britt-zt6bi Remember... when you mispell people names it makes you look like a fool Ron!!!
If Robert could give Cersei a chance, they would be unstoppable. His battle tactics and her political wit…
Political what? Cersei was the stupidest Lannister lol. She had no wit.
@@inceptionarts2947in the show she had a mind for politics and the ruthlessness to pull it off. She wasn’t as intelligent as Tyrion because she didn’t read as much as him. But she definitely has a mind for ruling and politics.
@@alphachief5425 Lol, she didn't. She didn't know when to make friends and when to make enemies. She was just cruel and intimidating to Sansa for no reason. She just went at Margaery showing she despised her from the get go instead of trying to use her to get what they could from house Tyrell. Cersei wasn't smart or intelligent, she was just a fool with privilege. Had the writing on the show being consistent, she wouldn't have had herself any allies than Euron Greyjoy after she blew up the scept and killed a thousand nobles while disregarding the religion of the 7. Cersei was just ruthless for no reason.
Nah it's said multiple times in the book cersei wanted to be tywin but fell short. She was a wannabe but wasn't actually politically savvy. You can tell in the show by all the stupid things she does out of spite or ego. Something that tywin would never do.
@@Auditioneereman, Tywin acted out of ego all the time. When he had his goons raid the Riverlands, when he mistreated Tyrion, probably when he had Elia's children murdered as revenge for the Targaryens rejecting Cersei.
Cersei is mindlessly trying to ape what she thinks is what made Tywin successful: spitefulness, treachery, and cruelty. Indeed, she has reason to think that these habits are correct. She's made it this far, after all.
Cersei lied her ass off right there. She felt the hell out of that answer.
She recovered from the blow while buried in the wine glass and once she came back out the mask was never removed again.
Robert should have lied to cercei and pretend to actually love her
He was the King of the Seven Kingdoms. Didn't have any compulsion to do so...
No, he shouldn't have lol.
Sugarcoating is not to be expected from someone who is born to a Great House and took everything thats not part of his birthright by force
Her face when she asks him if there was ever a moment he might have given her a chance & he says no…….. heartbroken. She then quickly sips her wine and tries hard to pretend it’s fine.
She never wanted to marry him anyway. It was Rhaegar she wanted
She didn’t really love Rhaegar. He was an escape, and a novelty. They’d met once before they ran off. She spoke a big game about how Robert would never be faithful to her, but ran off with a married father of two.
Rhaegar symbolised freedom for Lyanna, and, ironically, he killed her
@@emilybarclay8831I was talking about cersei
Had forgotten about this. Explains a lot.
It’s hard to imagine Ned being friends with Robert. They’re way different from each other.
Fate punished Robert harshly, because he keeps lying to himself that Lyanna was his one true love.
In reality he whored as much as he wanted, and that caused her to leave him.
She wasn't taken, he removed her with his own infidelity.
His own story is a false one.
I think knowing for sure that she never had a chance lessened her guilt about sleeping with her brother.
I'm sure the permanent twincest had been going on for many years before her temporary relationships and I doubt she felt any guilt for it.
Why do I feel like this is the most sincere Cersei's ever been? Even though she wanted to be queen more than anything, I don't know if love is in her vocabulary. And Robert....Lyanna left you, she may have been your great love, but you weren't hers. (And you can't even remember her 😅
That dude was worthless. Worst best friend in fiction since ron weasley.
Nah- the worst part was, Lyanna never loved him. She married in secret and bore a son with the man she loved, but Rob never would have accepted the truth if he knew. He went to war for ego, obsession- not love
Lyanna didn’t marry Rhaegar. He was already married. Bigamy was illegal in Westeros and there was absolutely zero way Rhaegar could have had his valuable political marriage annulled. And he didn’t love her, she was a means to an end for him.
Jon Snow is a bastard, but he’s a Sand, not a Snow.
That is the most cruel, honest dialogue ever committed to film. Tragic, beautiful and painful. They could have had the strongest marriage if his false memory hadn't tricked him into unrequited false love.
Liana never felt anything for him and now Cersei can't either.
One of the greatest scenes in the whole damn series. So captivating and its just simple dialogue.
Interesting that she mentions losing their boy here. Many thought she made that up when telling Catelyn Stark. I wonder if it really happened? We know that at least once they had actual sex (she told Ed Stark about him crawling on top of her and the pain sounded real) before she started using other means to satisfy him without actual sex (mentioned in the book). 🤔
She only asked to hear him say yes or perhaps. His blunt “no”made a gaping hole in ego so vast the Milky Way could fit in! Just a pun that milky way thing!
nobody got it.
Man, the way he said- seven kingdoms couldn't fill that void. 💔
I literally feel bad for Rhaegar and Lyanna 😢 they were each liked by someone else but couldn't love these people because it wasn't true. They loved each other 😢
Fuck Rhaegar, he left his wife and child to die and started a war so he can get with someone who was already betrothed to someone else. He got what he had coming.
Congratulations, shame about the tens of thousands who had to die because Lyanna decided to be a homewrecker and Rhaegar decided his wife wasn’t enough, so they decide to run away together without telling anyone about it.
Rhaegar kidnapped/groomed a teenager to have a third head of the dragon xDDD fuck that guy, he had a wife and two children. Rhaegar was a cunt who didn't care for the safety of her or anyone else and in the end a young girl, his wife and two innocent children lost their lifes (well, one if you believe that Varys really saved Aegon), not mentioning 1000s of people dying in the war.
Rhaegar was so pathetic and dumb.
@@Charlie0l9Love makes you selfish.
@@ΆγγεΤαβ selfish love* babe
That talk about Lyanna like she’s been dead for half a century, when Jon is about what 14 in the books? 17 in the show at this point?
Really not that long ago, yet the show makes it seem like no one remembers the horrors do the mad king or Rhagar and everyone living then would mostly still be alive under Robert and then under Cersei.
He can't remember Liana's face, but he could remember Betsy's teats. Priorities
Maybe if Robert wasn't addicted to whores, Lyanna would have stayed with him. And the war wouldn't have begun. But then again, the mad king was still mad, soooo idk.
But i really like this scene, where both are honest and talk plainly with respect for eachother
What made this program excel was the level of acting by the cast. 🤔
Lyana didnt even want him
I think she was a witch put a spell on Rob
@@cosmasrealestateconsultantthat’s stupid. Robert was a narcissist and she was the one thing he couldn’t have
Is it bad that I hate Robert more than I hate Cersei? Yes she was horrible. But it was human and because she had to be horrid to be powerful and power means everything for a person in Westeros. But Robert... Robert had all that any man could want and lost it over a desire. He didn't even lose it actually. He just wasted it. He never bothered to find the worth in anything in the world after losing Lyanna - a woman who didn't even want him, who was terrified of what he would to do her child. Robert is a bad person. Cersei's actions may seem terrible. But Robert's inaction is far more detestable
First time I feel bad for her.
They make her way more sympathetic in the tv show. In the books she has zero redeeming qualities.
What a scene. If Martin wrote this, he deserves reward upon reward.
At the core of their toxic relationship is the fact Robert never loved or even cared for Cersi, admitting it here. It was doomed from the beginning and all of this could have been avoided if he truly tried to make it work with her. The other one to actually be blamed in Ned. This is his best friend, and he never held him accountable for his exploits, knowing he was betrothed to Lyanna. He just stayed quiet.
Certainly made her feel better about plotting to kill you
Her ghost? Is still haunting the 7 kingdoms. To make this point. Jon Snow and Ghost. Jon Snow is the rightfully king
If she was honest her answer was always no as well
This is a heartbreaking tragedy.
God the conversation where strong then
"7 kingdoms couldn't fill the hole she left behind" that hits deep
Lol people keep forgetting that both of them were genuinely terrible people. Cersei was a raging narcissist who had never experienced any boundaries or opposition, and Robert was a drunk rapist who was happy about the gruesome murder of Elia and her children, and generally let the 7 kingdoms go to shit. They absolutely deserved each other.
And the grand irony is that Cersei was in love with Rhaegar, Robert was in love with Lyanna and they still would have turned out to be miserable if both of them had gotten their way with the people they loved.
Robert wasnt terrible
@@s66s46 homie why do you think Ned didn’t talk to Robert for 10 whole years?
@@s66s46let's say he wasn't all terrible. He made a good drinking companion and a forceful fighter.
That's it.
@@trashcant69 ned was the lord of winterfell and robert the king of westeros (far south). They got old with responsibilities
Lenna is such a great actrees. The expresion of her face look so genuin. Her portrayal of Cersei is incredible.
This movie looks like it’s good, do they rekindle their passion or does some young knight come and sweep her off her feet?
A series not a movie
Is this a serious question?
A knight named Jamie definitely put her on her back.
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you should watch the series, and no it’s nothing like you asked 😭
She killed him
The writing was the best on TV then. The one thing the show achieved beyond the books was to humanize Cersei. Her motivations were much more complex in the show's early seasons.
“Doesn’t make me feel anything “- she said ready to burst into tears
Yeah :(
God's the writing was strong then😅