@@nathannorris900yeah. That one was really bad. Like i could understand what the Pope was trying to do and i do believe there was some good in his document but the wording of it and how it was declared without consultation with the rest of the Catholic world left a sour taste to a lot of people.
Raised in and devotedly practiced the Roman Catholic faith until the age of 19. Converted to a Reformed Protestant viewpoint at 22. Searching for a church body that I could fully agree with ever since. I'm 74. It appears that the PNCC is the church I have been looking for all my life. This video is a "deep dive" for sure... and very helpful. Thanks.
@@nisibonum7634 well,given that the vast majority of religious people just believe that the religion they were accidentally born in is true,any spiritual research is a quite commendable effort.
@@luigisantoriello3289 I guess it comes down to what kind of research. Does one decide what they think is right and find a church that matches that. Or does one surrender themselves to the Holy Spirit and through access to what one knows is true, look to allow themselves to be obedient to and guided by the Holy Spirit and Jesus. Even if that is not what they personally like.
@@longiusaescius2537An example should be taken from the Eastern Orthodox Church which has had difficulty disciplining the national church idea. I am EO, don’t accept the papal claims of “immediate and universal jurisdiction,” and oppose the papal pretensions of the so-called Ecumenical Patriarch. But, condemned as it is, ethnic-phylitism as a heresy is rather rampant amongst the churches. There’s no easy solution, but there is a simple one: the Gospel itself. I’d rather see the papacy reformed according to Tradition, actual ruling synods restored, and the pope subject to general councils and his brother patriarchs than the Roman Church divided into national enclaves. Just my insignificant view!
I don't know how many english-language materials are available on the subject but another interesting polish denomination is the Mariavite Church which has a lot of fairly, let's say, curious theological positions.
Oh now you’re cooking this is what I’ve been waiting for. Please continue to cover these types of groups, the non “mainstream” liturgical groups. I find them particularly interesting
I live next door to a PNCC parish! The pastor is a former coworker of mine. The PNCC parish here was formed in the 1890s by Polish residents who accused their Roman Catholic pastor of dishonesty regarding the parish's finances and administration. When an Episcopal Court found no wrong-doing by the pastor, ~10% of parishioners took steps to break away, leading to the PNCC parish that still exists today.
Would sound nice to go to a Catholic Church that isn’t actually Roman Catholic and doesn’t hold the dirty past of the medieval church as well as papal controversy.
Fun fact: Some years ago, some parishes of the Nordic Catholic Church in Scandinavia entered into full communion with the Eastern Orthodox Church (ROCOR), becoming Western Rite Orthodox.
@@traceyedson9652 I unfortunately do not have specific information, but NCC favours old forms of the Roman Rite, so believe the parishes that joined ROCOR have them too, perhaps Sarum Use.
I wish there were more support among Eastern Orthodox for the western rite, which is every bit as valid an expression of ancient Christian worship as the Byzantine rite. I'd love to see the PNCC join us, but be able to retain their own traditions.
Would you consider doing a video on the Czechoslovak Hussite Church? I don’t think they have any sort of presence outside of the Czech and Slovak Republics, but they would still be an interesting group to learn about.
oh man, they are really interesting (not to mentioned Hussite history), I am polish and read only few articles about them. I would love that kind of a video
Very interesting one... what struck me was some of their more distinctive sacramental practices, and how some of the language in English has been "modernized." Thanks Joshua.
As a Pole, I must admit that I appreciate covering the topic of theirs. I feel like the PNCC is quite overlooked, even among Poles themselves. I also appreciate the fact that you pronounced the magazine's title perfectly. We also have a distinct church known as Mariavites.
PNCC is basically USA & Canada only. I doubt if they have any presence in Poland, if yes, it is minimal. Regarding Mariavites - it is minuscule sect, but quite interesting theologically. :P
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 I don't argue with that. What I meant is that Polish National Catholic Church operates outside of Poland (as far I checked they don't have any parish in Poland). In Poland there exist Polish-Catholic Church of the Republic of Poland but as far I checked it is still part of Union of Utrecht.
@@Hadar1991 Well for a long time the PNCC was cut off from Poland. Poland was split between the German and Russian empires, so there wasn't a Polish state beyond a title the Russian Emperor claimed. The US closed immigration with WW1. Poland shortly reestablished. Occupied again. And then the Polish Peoples Republic which probably wasn't very interested in religion.
Interesting, because I was recently asking about this Church which is down the road from the Polish Catholic Church. An old lady told me, from her experience, the Poles who came abroad after the war, and wanted to remarry, went with this "National church" because it allowed them to marry even though they had wives in Poland.
So they left the Church over lust and went to a false church that would cater to their sins. Why does that sound familiar? *flashbacks of anglican and lutheran cults*
I realize you're probably not a theologian or an apologist, but would you be able to answer this question I have? I know that St. Mary is held to be a perpetual virgin by the PNCC, but is it a dogma (like her status as Mother of God), or is it something that one can reach a different conclusion on and remain in good standing (like the PNCC's view of original sin)?
@@jessefoutz597 hi! so the perpetual virginity of Mary is held as dogma in the PNCC since it was affirmed at the 5th ecumenical council. "Fifth Ecumenical Council - II Constantinople A.D. 553 - The Capitula of the Council: VI “If anyone shall not call in a true acceptation, but only in a false acceptation, the holy, glorious, and ever-virgin Mary, the Mother of God ... let him be anathema" (this quote comes from the Eastern Diocese's website). Hope this answers your question!
@@ivc3092 that's a great question. tbh, i actually plan on jumping ship eventually to either Rome or the Orthodox after discerning which holds the best claim to being the one true Church. however, right now, i'm using my Old Catholic heritage as a way to unite Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox Christians on my college campus. i'm not catholic or orthodox enough to be rejected on face by protestant groups, i'm not protestant or orthodox enough to be rejected by catholic groups, and i'm not protestant or catholic enough to be rejected on face by orthodox groups. this has been useful in bringing good faith dialogue to campus when there was little before (albeit it did also lead to me and my gf breaking up since she does no consider non-protestants to be Christian :'), but it's a sacrifice i'm willing to make for God)
@@jatar6605 See, that's interesting, though, because the anathema is on those who fake calling the BVM the Mother of God, not who deny that she is ever-virgin. The council calls her that a few times, but it's always in passing and not the topic of the anathema. I'll have to read the Eastern Diocese's statement, I think.
Most would honestly consider them a cult as opposed to a denomination. A book called "A World More Bright" is a biography on Marie Baker Eddie and covers a good amount of their theological roots, though not where the church has gone since.
Definitely more of a Cult. And their beliefs can definitely be confusing for Christians. Started by Mary Baker Eddy. More Metaphysics than Christian religion. God is seen as a Devine principal rather than a n actual Being. Sin, evil, sickness, and death are only illusions and not reality. Hope this brief explanation helps. ✝️🙏🙂
There's a Polish Catholic church in my home town. The few times I've walked passed there during service times It was always packed, with many standing outside as they couldn't find a place within!
The PNCC was actually REALLY CLOSE to union with the Orthodox through the AWRV back in the 1970’s. Unfortunately, due to disagreements about bishop celibacy, that union never occurred. That being said, some OCA priests actually continue to lead some PNCC retreats, providing us with hope that one day this horrible schism will end!
You know you're doing a good job of representing these when both followers & non-followers thank you. Thank you! I would like to also encourage you to make an SSPX explanation video. What a hot potato!
Well, a good start in terms of videos dealing with Old/Independent Catholic Churches. As far as dealing with smaller, more ephemeral jurisdictions, you may need to devise questionnaires to be answered by representatives of said jurisdictions. This is because in many of these cases, such documents as those you quoted to document the beliefs and practices of the PNCC do not necessarily exist. I am a priest in one such Church, a Church that is rather unique in this regard since it is non- Chalcedonian. However I have been following this general movement for about 40 years. If I can be of help to you in any way in making these videos, please do not hesitate to contact me.
I live in this area, there are several PNCC churches in the Scranton, Wilkes-Barre area. Polish immigration was very prevalent in my area and several Roman Catholic Churches in my area were also formed by Polish.
With all due respect, our denomination does not generally honor requests for rebaptism if you already have a valid baptism in the name of the Trinity. Your priest should not be granting you this exception, only the bishop can. Almost always, converts are accepted by Chrism, just like the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics
I go to Trinity Bible Church in Phoenix. We have no authority but the Bible, Jesus is our Pope. I know Alice Cooper from Camelback Bible Church. Fist 👊 bump. School's out for summer . . .
@@flameguy3416 do you know the FULL TRUTH of Christianity's 2000yrs history? Was your faith tradition there at the compilation of the bible? Plz, plz dont say that you are that ignorant. with the internet at the tip of our fingertips, fact checking should not be a problem.
I just watched your request for videos in 2024 yesterday and I thought, I haven't seen a video of yours on the PNCC yet, I should mention them in a comment. Too late now! Thank you for covering this small but regionally well-known denomination! The other member church in the Union of Scranton is the Nordic Catholic Church, they and the PNCC have overlapping similarities with high-church Anglicans and Episcopalians.
I live in Poland. These guys have zero influence. Noone knows they exist. I wouldn't be surprised if people who attend their parishes don't know they're diffrent from the regular Catholic Church.
When will another Ecumenical Council be convened to solve all the disputes? Enough of National Churches we need the Pentarchy back or this time let's have a Dodecarchy (12 Patriarchs based on the 12 Apostles/Disciples)
“Catholic” is the Faith. To argue that “Catholic” is “Roman Catholic” because it dogmatizes the exclusivist papacy which teaches it do it must be held to be Catholic is circular reasoning. Roman Catholics need to do a much better job of presenting their case non-arrogantly in public. These mere assertions of dogma are a bit embarrassing.
There is some dialogue between the PNCC and some Anglican churches. I noticed on the PNCC's Facebook a posting of a meeting. Anglican Province In America, Anglican Church In America, and Anglican Catholic Church. With the OCA also meeting with them.
Excellent video, as always! For those interested, the PNCC was formed during a time when immigrant Catholic communities were struggling to form their own parishes staffed with their own immigrant priests. These parishes were known as National Parishes. The American Catholic bishops worked vociferously against this trend. As a result of continued tensions between immigrant Catholic communities and the American Roman Catholic bishops, several of these communities left Catholic Communion, notably the Ukrainian and Ruthenian Greek Catholics and Polish Roman Catholics. The Ukrainian and Ruthenians left and became the Orthodox Church in America and the Poles became the PNCC.
I''m sorry, but your last sentence is factually incorrect. The OCA was simply the Russian Orthodox Church in America. It became autocephalous in 1924 because Patriarch Tikhon was under arrest and couldn't properly administer the Church, especially outside of Russia. The Ruthenian Catholics became the American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese.
@aLadNamedNathan those are two separate autochephalous communions the O.C.A. (Orthodox Church in America) which has its origins in the original poster described and is under the Elpidophoros. Then there is R.O.C.O.R. (Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia) which is under the Patriarchate of Moscow. There are also other communions in the U.S. like the Bulgarians but all these communions are in at least partial communion with each other
bishop off Rome is in Lateran, Pope always was is and soon will bee back in Vatican and antipopes where in Roman Curia and Vatican Curia as now a such contemprorary is, may he be only shortly,is unfortunatly the curent antipope
PNCC still has relations with Polish Catholic Church (Polish member of Union of Utrecht). There were speculations previous year about the possibility of episcopal ordinations from PNCC for Polish Catholic Church.
I grew up in the Wyoming Valley of NEPA. Through the towns of Wilkes Barre, Scranton and the former coal mining town have parishs. I wished that the Trads would consider a similar course of action instead of constantly bashing the Holy Father.
Please do a video about Binitarian movements and denominations, Sir! Hapoy New Year, and thanks for your unfailing quest to teach and enlighten both Christendom and the wider world!
@@kacpergalik609 Thank you! They were much more numerous at the beginning of the movement. One stands to be corrected, was not Sister Faustina Kowalski 'implicated' at the start?
For those PNCC members in the comments, I have a question: why hasn't the PNCC attempted to establish communion with the Eastern Orthodox Church? It seems to me some of the changes made after breaking communion with Rome align with Orthodoxy significantly. This isn't a rhetorical setup or anything, I'm genuinely curious
Hi! So the PNCC has actually tried this in the past. In the 1970’s, we were extremely close to union with the East under the Antiochian Western Rite Vicariate. However, the Antiochians would not accept married bishops, and our bishops (since we were still under the Union of Utrecht) could not accept this proposal. Since then, numerous OCA priests have been active in PNCC communities, and because of the closeness there, there were discussions of union with them. However, since the OCA doesn’t have a Western Rite, it has become a stumbling block for union. It would also mean having to give up our inter-communion agreement with the Roman Catholics, and the bishops are not comfortable with that at the moment given how many parishioners are either former Roman Catholics or have strong ties to them
Fascinating and thorough overview. I was especially interested because of the ordination of British commentator Calvin Robinson by a bishop in the Union of Scranton. You made it very clear why he would have chosen that line in which to be ordained.
The English language Wikipedia claims he's "Old Catholic". But many Wikipedia pages are wrong it seems. I'm an Anglican and I haven't heard of news one way or the other about his new status of ordination other than that he is a priest now rather than a deacon.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825he was ordained in the Nordic Catholic Church after the Free Church of England agreed to release him. The NCC is the European branch of the Union of Scranton bringing him into union with the Old Catholics
This video is educated me on the fact that the PNCC it's not a bunch of heretics in a Protestant denomination, but a truly Apostolic, though unfortunately schismatic, member of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
@@dman7668If you have something to say, say it. This is an ecumenical site, and most/many do not accept the papal claims to Vatican I. And many millions who don’t pre-existed both Protestantism and those dogmatic claims. So “it basically is” just doesn’t cut it.
@traceyedson9652 There isn't any difference in practice between protestantism and whats going on here. That's my point. They both reject the authority of the magesterium of the Catholic Church. Call it whatever you like but it really is just protestantism. They both reject the same authority.
We had a Polish National Catholic Church parish in Park Slope Brooklyn when I was young. I knew families who attended there. The church building was sold years ago and demolished . What a shame.
Whats funny Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was also the birth place of Unitarianism which is one of Greek Catholic churches, Orthodox rite + Catholic Pope, It was one of the most popular religions in the Commonwealth before Russian occupation which was very harsh for their religion, but there are still milions of them in Ukraine.
You'd be fascinated with the story of St. Stanislaus Kostka Polish Catholic Church in St. Louis, MO, if you're not already familiar. They were Roman Catholic, but then there was a years-long court battle and ultimately a split that started as a dispute over ownership of parish land and property (I had the chance to follow the beginnings of that battle during my time as a radio news reporter in St. Louis). They're not part of the PNCC (although there is a PNCC parish just west of St. Louis), they seem to be totally independent, and in fact appear to be open and affirming to the LGBTQIA+ community... at least for now.
@@jiminycricket1593 it's been 18+ years since they were excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church, and 10+ years since the St. Louis archdiocese ended its court fight for St. Stanislaus' property (which St. Stan's won, by the way), and they're still kickin'. So losing the hate hasn't emptied the offering plate, if you will indulge a rather clunky rhyme 🙂 There are a handful of church members who have voiced interest in reconciling with Rome/the STL archdiocese, as I understand it; if that minority grows to a "we control your purse strings" size, that would be more likely to bring about your prophecy.
Wait, what the heck LMAAAOOOO. This is actually a narrative and world-building talking point in Cyberpunk 2077. How the Polish Catholic Church splits from the Holy See because of major differences of opinion. And then the Polish Church elects their own pope and they declare Poland as the head of the Catholic Church
Okay, here's what I heard from 14:50 to 18:45: "We _totally_ don't believe the same thing about damnation that Roman Catholics believe. Instead, we just believe exactly what Roman Catholics believe about damnation, which we differentiate using a more-optimistic _lean_ or _emphasis_ ...plus, we also believe in doctrinal development the way Roman Catholics believe it...just not, y'know, _their_ developments. We're having our own developments. Especially when it gets us closer to union with ROCOR ...wait, not ROCOR. Constantinople. Or Antioch. No, wait, maybe just David Bentley Hart...." 😉 NOTE: The above is a _sympathetic_ ribbing, delivered with a wink and a smile, not a snarl. If a member of the PNCC is reading it, please take it as friendly. (And I fully get that _you wouldn't say it that way,_ and that such simplification is tantamount to straw-manning, etc.) Listening to this description I find myself sympathetic to the PNCC: It seems to embrace something _very close_ to what I would embrace had I thought it was my responsibility (or within my power) to successfully reconstruct Christianity in a probabilistic way from the most-likely-authentic elements of the traditions, East and West. As it happens, I don't think that's my responsibility or within my capacity; I hold that's a departure from Christ's Epistemology-of-Faith. But, I'm sympathetic because if I _did_ believe Christ intended me to figure all that out in order to join the right church, and then to join the church that had the best-available match, I could very easily have joined a PNCC parish. BTW, can we just stand in awe, for a moment, at how _thorough_ Josh was in this video? (Holy cow, dude!)
At 4:20, with the "National Catholic" and the "American National Catholic," I can't help but think of the constituents of Major League Baseball. ⚾ If rival sports leagues can come together, then maybe there is hope for Christian denominations? ✝️
As orthodox i could not see any reason why they are not orthodox?! Western rite,proud polish patriots ...no problem😊 P.S problem will be only thear attidy for maried bishops.
It disappoints me to learn that they have such a prominent universalist streak, however much they may try to distance themselves from the term. They've been one of my favorite non-Lutheran denominations recently.
when the branches are no longer attached to the vine, it dies. however valiant it seems, it still allows divorce and remarriage. unlike the catholic church which does not
so now I'm wondering what is preventing the pncc from sharing communion with the Eastern Orthodox church as a whole? genuinely curious, because it's sounding like a harmonious blend of Western and Eastern theology
EO doesn’t view denominations, apostolic succession, & communion in the more formalistic & mechanistic manner that Westerns do. It’s much more relational, which makes it more complicated since there is really no procedure for reconciling groups in the West who have left the Roman obedience without “becoming Orthodox.” Since we view the EO Church as holding the Faith of the “undivided” Church, entering into Her communion is seen as the natural step. Some local Churches provide for a Western Rite. But recognizing “orthodoxy” in another “denomination” and receiving them as a Sister Church would probably require a pan-Orthodox consensus. And such a thing is currently impossible with Moscow & Constantinople is schism over ecclesiology. Willing to be corrected by better-informed Orthodox. But that’s my understanding as a layman!
Nope, we don't want them either. You don't want them because they deny papal infallibility. We don't want them because they still "venerate" the queen of heaven and worship wafers as God. Just like the Orthodox, they can be in a box by themselves.
What's kind of odd is that the Boston Archdiocese had separate Polish churches from the early 1900s through the 1990s, in all cases I'm aware of literally just down the street from the "regular" Catholic church. These were NOT PNCC churches, but Roman Catholic churches catering to a particular ethnicity. These churches were official with their own clergy and so on. I think at their height there 20 or so churches so designated. All gone now. Just mentioning this because I somehow thought it was something similar under discussion in the video, not a separate denomination.
A lot of times, at the turn of the 20th century, Catholic dioceses established what was known as a national parish for particular countries. The folks in those national parishes had their spiritual needs met, usually by a priest from their own country, and the bishop didn't have to listen to complaints from diocesan priests who weren't thrilled with a strange language (the Mass was in Latin in Roman parishes, so that didn't matter, but everyday requests did). In the Chicago Archdiocese, Our Lady of Pompeii (Italian) and St. Alphonsus (German) were once for immigrants and their progeny.
Another chief reason the denomination in this video was established was having the Mass in Polish. Every Roman Catholic parish until the 1960’s, even the ethnic ones, had the TLM.
fun fact in the picture of the old catholic bishop of the USA, bishop john of shanghai and San Francisco is there, one of the most well known american states
Lehet, hogy remek a video, de FÁRASZTÓ egy folyamatosan beszélő arcot nézni.... ha a szöveg jó, miért kell látszódni is? Mindenesetre köszönöm a megosztást.
Thank you as always. Our communion - the United Ecumenical Catholic Church - is a second or third cousin of the Old Catholic, PNCC, and other Independent Sacramental churches. I do appreciate their soteriological universalism.
Is that Fr. Adam Kotas in the thumbnail? I was going through RCIA in the Diocese (now Archdiocese) of Las Vegas when he founded his new PNCC parish. There was a letter from the Bishop of Santa Rosa in our bulletins to inform Catholics throughout the Las Vegas area about Fr. Adam and his schism from the Church.
monneapolis mn has a Polish National Catholic church, but, they do follow Rome. many churches were edtablished for communities from different countries. ukrainian, greek, etc.
It's dumbfounding how they have a cathedral named after the Holy Rosary of Our Lady, but the doctrine of this church is a departure from Orthodox and Catholic beliefs.
I’m a Jew who grew up with a Polish Roman Catholic background in Scranton. The PNCC was a weird thing growing up in Scranton, especially with a dying Polish community. The Catholics there knew about it and would have interwoven relationships but everyone was distinct come Sunday.
"Anagignoskomena, " without missing a beat. Practice or "No sweat, I took Greek". I don't have any Greek but my grandfather said the accent was on the antepenultimate instead of the penultimate syllable. Weird the lessons we sometimes pick up from grandparents.
It is frustrating to see how many schisms occur in the Church over poor pastoral decisions
I would say poor Papal decisions....
The Roman Catholic Church itself was born from schism when they left the Orthodox Church in 1054@@pskarnaq73
At least they haven't caved on homosexuality like the Roman Catholic Church. How schismatic was that poor pastoral decision by the Pope?
@@nathannorris900we haven't yet seen the full measure of _that..._ 😳
@@nathannorris900yeah. That one was really bad. Like i could understand what the Pope was trying to do and i do believe there was some good in his document but the wording of it and how it was declared without consultation with the rest of the Catholic world left a sour taste to a lot of people.
Raised in and devotedly practiced the Roman Catholic faith until the age of 19. Converted to a Reformed Protestant viewpoint at 22. Searching for a church body that I could fully agree with ever since. I'm 74. It appears that the PNCC is the church I have been looking for all my life. This video is a "deep dive" for sure... and very helpful. Thanks.
Have you ever tried with Orthodoxy?
It is funny that you choose your church like it's a university or a job.
@@nisibonum7634 well,given that the vast majority of religious people just believe that the religion they were accidentally born in is true,any spiritual research is a quite commendable effort.
@@luigisantoriello3289 I guess it comes down to what kind of research. Does one decide what they think is right and find a church that matches that. Or does one surrender themselves to the Holy Spirit and through access to what one knows is true, look to allow themselves to be obedient to and guided by the Holy Spirit and Jesus. Even if that is not what they personally like.
Have you considered Anglicanism?
You forgot to mention dyngus day. It's like Mardis Gras, but after lent instead of before. Very much a polish catholic event.
I can’t imagine a church that excommunicates for not giving money. I applaud them for having the courage to break away.
Yeah, contrast that with the hardships of the Russian Orthodox Church in Alaska after the Bolshevik revolution.
@@pj_ytmt-123i don’t know that history.
@@stst77 It's on RUclips if you're interested. 🎉
all of these sects are quite horrid
Since you mentioned it in this video, we now need a video on the Nordic Catholic Church.
What’s next, a national Japanese or Chinese Catholic Church?
Yes, National Nordic Catholic, please!
@anthonybarnes1903 Chinese already exists as Cardinal Zen showed, a Japanese one would actually be cool though
@@longiusaescius2537An example should be taken from the Eastern Orthodox Church which has had difficulty disciplining the national church idea. I am EO, don’t accept the papal claims of “immediate and universal jurisdiction,” and oppose the papal pretensions of the so-called Ecumenical Patriarch. But, condemned as it is, ethnic-phylitism as a heresy is rather rampant amongst the churches. There’s no easy solution, but there is a simple one: the Gospel itself. I’d rather see the papacy reformed according to Tradition, actual ruling synods restored, and the pope subject to general councils and his brother patriarchs than the Roman Church divided into national enclaves. Just my insignificant view!
Arn't they Lutherans?
I don't know how many english-language materials are available on the subject but another interesting polish denomination is the Mariavite Church which has a lot of fairly, let's say, curious theological positions.
There are actually two Mariavite Churches, one is Nicene in theology and the other one is not to say the least.
You should do a video on the SSPX- would be interesting to get the perspective of a non Catholic on this 😅
Visit an SSPX Church some time.
@@konchkonchkonch6540 The Lefebvrian Mass is not licit and therefore should not be attended by any Catholic.
@@GR65330this isn’t a Catholic channel.
@@GR65330AFAIK people are allowed attend as long as it isn't out of protest against the Pope.
@@GR65330it's literally just the traditional Mass it has nothing to do with archbishop lefeve.
Oh now you’re cooking this is what I’ve been waiting for. Please continue to cover these types of groups, the non “mainstream” liturgical groups. I find them particularly interesting
I live next door to a PNCC parish! The pastor is a former coworker of mine. The PNCC parish here was formed in the 1890s by Polish residents who accused their Roman Catholic pastor of dishonesty regarding the parish's finances and administration. When an Episcopal Court found no wrong-doing by the pastor, ~10% of parishioners took steps to break away, leading to the PNCC parish that still exists today.
He recounted that history in the video. 😀
Would sound nice to go to a Catholic Church that isn’t actually Roman Catholic and doesn’t hold the dirty past of the medieval church as well as papal controversy.
@GenericRUclipsGuy A protestant church with a catholic feel
Fun fact: Some years ago, some parishes of the Nordic Catholic Church in Scandinavia entered into full communion with the Eastern Orthodox Church (ROCOR), becoming Western Rite Orthodox.
I’d love to learn more about this. What rite is used?
@@traceyedson9652 I unfortunately do not have specific information, but NCC favours old forms of the Roman Rite, so believe the parishes that joined ROCOR have them too, perhaps Sarum Use.
I wish there were more support among Eastern Orthodox for the western rite, which is every bit as valid an expression of ancient Christian worship as the Byzantine rite. I'd love to see the PNCC join us, but be able to retain their own traditions.
Would you consider doing a video on the Czechoslovak Hussite Church? I don’t think they have any sort of presence outside of the Czech and Slovak Republics, but they would still be an interesting group to learn about.
Yes I would also like to know more about these denominations.
oh man, they are really interesting (not to mentioned Hussite history), I am polish and read only few articles about them. I would love that kind of a video
Very interesting one... what struck me was some of their more distinctive sacramental practices, and how some of the language in English has been "modernized." Thanks Joshua.
Annoying of the sick? Please don't - they have enough to put up with!
How amazing in this day and age of the internet readily at ur fingertips, humans are still simian and so ignorant.
Good stuff, this type of niche "catholic" groups always fascinates me
Have you ever heard of the Fraternite Notre Dame?
Sound like Anglicans but Polish.
As a Pole, I must admit that I appreciate covering the topic of theirs. I feel like the PNCC is quite overlooked, even among Poles themselves.
I also appreciate the fact that you pronounced the magazine's title perfectly.
We also have a distinct church known as Mariavites.
PNCC is basically USA & Canada only. I doubt if they have any presence in Poland, if yes, it is minimal. Regarding Mariavites - it is minuscule sect, but quite interesting theologically. :P
@@Hadar1991There's a connection to other Old Catholics in Europe. Such as Bishop Mikovsky has met with the Nordic Catholic Church.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 I don't argue with that. What I meant is that Polish National Catholic Church operates outside of Poland (as far I checked they don't have any parish in Poland). In Poland there exist Polish-Catholic Church of the Republic of Poland but as far I checked it is still part of Union of Utrecht.
@@Hadar1991 They have presence in Poland, but (as you rightly suspect) it's marginal.
@@Hadar1991 Well for a long time the PNCC was cut off from Poland.
Poland was split between the German and Russian empires, so there wasn't a Polish state beyond a title the Russian Emperor claimed.
The US closed immigration with WW1.
Poland shortly reestablished.
Occupied again.
And then the Polish Peoples Republic which probably wasn't very interested in religion.
Interesting, because I was recently asking about this Church which is down the road from the Polish Catholic Church. An old lady told me, from her experience, the Poles who came abroad after the war, and wanted to remarry, went with this "National church" because it allowed them to marry even though they had wives in Poland.
So they left the Church over lust and went to a false church that would cater to their sins. Why does that sound familiar? *flashbacks of anglican and lutheran cults*
Catholics minus the Pope? That'd be the Orthodox😂
Minus the pope but add more icons then you have the orthodox.
@@stst77 Add more icons? Oh, you mean, like what the 7th Ecumenical Council decrees to be done? Like I said, Catholics - the Pope = the Orthodox.
Amen! I hope they reunite with Orthodoxy.
As a member of the PNCC, I greatly appreciate you making this video and sharing our Church with the world!
I realize you're probably not a theologian or an apologist, but would you be able to answer this question I have? I know that St. Mary is held to be a perpetual virgin by the PNCC, but is it a dogma (like her status as Mother of God), or is it something that one can reach a different conclusion on and remain in good standing (like the PNCC's view of original sin)?
Completely serious question, not facetious: why aren't you Orthodox if you're so similar?
@@jessefoutz597 hi! so the perpetual virginity of Mary is held as dogma in the PNCC since it was affirmed at the 5th ecumenical council. "Fifth Ecumenical Council - II Constantinople A.D. 553 - The Capitula of the Council: VI “If anyone shall not call in a true acceptation, but only in a false acceptation, the holy, glorious, and ever-virgin Mary, the Mother of God ... let him be anathema" (this quote comes from the Eastern Diocese's website). Hope this answers your question!
@@ivc3092 that's a great question. tbh, i actually plan on jumping ship eventually to either Rome or the Orthodox after discerning which holds the best claim to being the one true Church. however, right now, i'm using my Old Catholic heritage as a way to unite Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox Christians on my college campus. i'm not catholic or orthodox enough to be rejected on face by protestant groups, i'm not protestant or orthodox enough to be rejected by catholic groups, and i'm not protestant or catholic enough to be rejected on face by orthodox groups. this has been useful in bringing good faith dialogue to campus when there was little before (albeit it did also lead to me and my gf breaking up since she does no consider non-protestants to be Christian :'), but it's a sacrifice i'm willing to make for God)
@@jatar6605 See, that's interesting, though, because the anathema is on those who fake calling the BVM the Mother of God, not who deny that she is ever-virgin. The council calls her that a few times, but it's always in passing and not the topic of the anathema. I'll have to read the Eastern Diocese's statement, I think.
A church I attended this past week.
Hey man, I’d love a Christian Science Church video in the new year! This cult/denom tends to confuse me.
Most would honestly consider them a cult as opposed to a denomination. A book called "A World More Bright" is a biography on Marie Baker Eddie and covers a good amount of their theological roots, though not where the church has gone since.
They’re a cult like JW
@@RayRice-lr8vi Yes good point. That's a more accurate classification
Definitely more of a Cult. And their beliefs can definitely be confusing for Christians.
Started by Mary Baker Eddy.
More Metaphysics than Christian religion. God is seen as a Devine principal rather than a n actual Being.
Sin, evil, sickness, and death are only illusions and not reality.
Hope this brief explanation helps.
✝️🙏🙂
There's a Polish Catholic church in my home town. The few times I've walked passed there during service times It was always packed, with many standing outside as they couldn't find a place within!
As an Orthodox Christian, there is not much here that I would seriously disagree with. I wonder what form of liturgy they use.
Generally, they seem to align with the Roman Missal.
@@jdotoz The 1500 year old one, or the 50 year old one?
@@jec1ny Yes.
The mass I attended this past Monday, Christmas, I noticed the PNCC bishop leading the mass didn't use the filioque.
The PNCC was actually REALLY CLOSE to union with the Orthodox through the AWRV back in the 1970’s. Unfortunately, due to disagreements about bishop celibacy, that union never occurred. That being said, some OCA priests actually continue to lead some PNCC retreats, providing us with hope that one day this horrible schism will end!
i am so THANKFUL for you do, and LEARN SO MUCH.... GOD BLESS YOU.. keep up the great work!
Do a video on the Society of Saint Pius X
You know you're doing a good job of representing these when both followers & non-followers thank you. Thank you!
I would like to also encourage you to make an SSPX explanation video. What a hot potato!
This story is soooo sad. Schism always leaves wound. I pray for unity!
Well, a good start in terms of videos dealing with Old/Independent Catholic Churches. As far as dealing with smaller, more ephemeral jurisdictions, you may need to devise questionnaires to be answered by representatives of said jurisdictions. This is because in many of these cases, such documents as those you quoted to document the beliefs and practices of the PNCC do not necessarily exist. I am a priest in one such Church, a Church that is rather unique in this regard since it is non- Chalcedonian. However I have been following this general movement for about 40 years. If I can be of help to you in any way in making these videos, please do not hesitate to contact me.
I live in this area, there are several PNCC churches in the Scranton, Wilkes-Barre area. Polish immigration was very prevalent in my area and several Roman Catholic Churches in my area were also formed by Polish.
I just started going to a PNCC in my area and i absolutely love it, and plan on joining and getting rebaptized as a member
Rebaptism isn't a thing unless you somehow didn't get baptized in the name of the trinity.
With all due respect, our denomination does not generally honor requests for rebaptism if you already have a valid baptism in the name of the Trinity. Your priest should not be granting you this exception, only the bishop can. Almost always, converts are accepted by Chrism, just like the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics
Ah the Old Catholics, the perfect answer to the question “Why do we need the Pope anyhow?”
I go to Trinity Bible Church in Phoenix. We have no authority but the Bible, Jesus is our Pope. I know Alice Cooper from Camelback Bible Church. Fist 👊 bump. School's out for summer . . .
@@patrickmccarthy7877and where do u think the Bible came from?
Did Jesus leave a Church or a book?
@@essafats5728 Jesus's Apostles, his messengers have written books which became the new testament.
@@flameguy3416 You're missing his point. The Apostle's were the first within the Church which Christ founded.
@@flameguy3416 do you know the FULL TRUTH of Christianity's 2000yrs history?
Was your faith tradition there at the compilation of the bible?
Plz, plz dont say that you are that ignorant. with the internet at the tip of our fingertips, fact checking should not be a problem.
I recently found out that one branch of my family was (some still are) Greek Catholic. I’d love to see a video on them.
I just watched your request for videos in 2024 yesterday and I thought, I haven't seen a video of yours on the PNCC yet, I should mention them in a comment. Too late now! Thank you for covering this small but regionally well-known denomination! The other member church in the Union of Scranton is the Nordic Catholic Church, they and the PNCC have overlapping similarities with high-church Anglicans and Episcopalians.
So much similarity that Fr. Calvin Robinson came to the NCC from the Free Church of England!
I live in Poland. These guys have zero influence. Noone knows they exist. I wouldn't be surprised if people who attend their parishes don't know they're diffrent from the regular Catholic Church.
The Polish-Catholic Church of the Republic of Poland is or was the counterpart in Poland.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 They have a minor presence in Poland. Very minor.
It's an American church for Polish diaspora
And those offshoots planted in America are often far less politicized than their origins. Something to think about.
Great video. Never knew about this church.
When will another Ecumenical Council be convened to solve all the disputes?
Enough of National Churches we need the Pentarchy back or this time let's have a Dodecarchy (12 Patriarchs based on the 12 Apostles/Disciples)
Not sure why a denomination would still claim to be Catholic after renouncing the pope.
Yeah it's definitely Protestant aligned with some Old church values
“Catholic” is the Faith. To argue that “Catholic” is “Roman Catholic” because it dogmatizes the exclusivist papacy which teaches it do it must be held to be Catholic is circular reasoning. Roman Catholics need to do a much better job of presenting their case non-arrogantly in public. These mere assertions of dogma are a bit embarrassing.
They are currently in talks with the Greek patriarchate about coming into the Orthodox Church
There is some dialogue between the PNCC and some Anglican churches.
I noticed on the PNCC's Facebook a posting of a meeting.
Anglican Province In America, Anglican Church In America, and Anglican Catholic Church. With the OCA also meeting with them.
Excellent video, as always! For those interested, the PNCC was formed during a time when immigrant Catholic communities were struggling to form their own parishes staffed with their own immigrant priests. These parishes were known as National Parishes. The American Catholic bishops worked vociferously against this trend.
As a result of continued tensions between immigrant Catholic communities and the American Roman Catholic bishops, several of these communities left Catholic Communion, notably the Ukrainian and Ruthenian Greek Catholics and Polish Roman Catholics. The Ukrainian and Ruthenians left and became the Orthodox Church in America and the Poles became the PNCC.
I''m sorry, but your last sentence is factually incorrect. The OCA was simply the Russian Orthodox Church in America. It became autocephalous in 1924 because Patriarch Tikhon was under arrest and couldn't properly administer the Church, especially outside of Russia. The Ruthenian Catholics became the American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese.
@aLadNamedNathan those are two separate autochephalous communions the O.C.A. (Orthodox Church in America) which has its origins in the original poster described and is under the Elpidophoros. Then there is R.O.C.O.R. (Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia) which is under the Patriarchate of Moscow. There are also other communions in the U.S. like the Bulgarians but all these communions are in at least partial communion with each other
@@nachokoenig6279 I agree with most of what you said, but the OCA did NOT come out of the Catholic Church.
@@nachokoenig6279 You are right! I have corrected my mistake. OCA is “in” and not “of.”
@@aLadNamedNathangood information I born catholic but orthodox appeal to me
Chatolich church cannot be a Chatolich church without the Pope/bishop of Rome,they are the foundation of the true church which is build by Saint Peter
bishop off Rome is in Lateran, Pope always was is and soon will bee back in Vatican and antipopes where in Roman Curia and Vatican Curia as now a such contemprorary is, may he be only shortly,is unfortunatly the curent antipope
Thank you for making this! I’ve been wanting to learn about them for a long time.
My maternal grandparents were Polish National Catholic!
PNCC still has relations with Polish Catholic Church (Polish member of Union of Utrecht). There were speculations previous year about the possibility of episcopal ordinations from PNCC for Polish Catholic Church.
This is no longer the case.
Very Orthodox way of running a parish .
I grew up in the Wyoming Valley of NEPA. Through the towns of Wilkes Barre, Scranton and the former coal mining town have parishs. I wished that the Trads would consider a similar course of action instead of constantly bashing the Holy Father.
It is ironic that reactionaries see themselves as traditional.
??? Just be Orthodox
Why they do not become Orthodox? Sounds close to us
Please do a video about Binitarian movements and denominations, Sir!
Hapoy New Year, and thanks for your unfailing quest to teach and enlighten both Christendom and the wider world!
Please do the Philippine Independent Church (IFI) next.
Next up, the MariaVitae Church in Poland, along with the Palmerians! Good luck.
Yup, Mariavites are quite overlooked. They number less than 20,000 faithful here in Poland.
@@kacpergalik609 And for more confusion add the Neo-Hussites in the Czech Republic, post destruction of the Empire.
Despite their size, I find their characteristics quite interesting
I did some googling and their Polish community (Poland is by far the main center) is closer to 25,000.
@@kacpergalik609 Thank you! They were much more numerous at the beginning of the movement. One stands to be corrected, was not Sister Faustina Kowalski 'implicated' at the start?
For those PNCC members in the comments, I have a question: why hasn't the PNCC attempted to establish communion with the Eastern Orthodox Church? It seems to me some of the changes made after breaking communion with Rome align with Orthodoxy significantly. This isn't a rhetorical setup or anything, I'm genuinely curious
Hi! So the PNCC has actually tried this in the past. In the 1970’s, we were extremely close to union with the East under the Antiochian Western Rite Vicariate. However, the Antiochians would not accept married bishops, and our bishops (since we were still under the Union of Utrecht) could not accept this proposal. Since then, numerous OCA priests have been active in PNCC communities, and because of the closeness there, there were discussions of union with them. However, since the OCA doesn’t have a Western Rite, it has become a stumbling block for union. It would also mean having to give up our inter-communion agreement with the Roman Catholics, and the bishops are not comfortable with that at the moment given how many parishioners are either former Roman Catholics or have strong ties to them
@@jatar6605 Thank you for that explanation! That’s fascinating
Brother I don't know but you can give information and make it sound....... edible. 🙏
Could’ve much much easier converted to Orthodoxy
Great work Young man !
Fascinating and thorough overview. I was especially interested because of the ordination of British commentator Calvin Robinson by a bishop in the Union of Scranton. You made it very clear why he would have chosen that line in which to be ordained.
The English language Wikipedia claims he's "Old Catholic". But many Wikipedia pages are wrong it seems.
I'm an Anglican and I haven't heard of news one way or the other about his new status of ordination other than that he is a priest now rather than a deacon.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825he was ordained in the Nordic Catholic Church after the Free Church of England agreed to release him. The NCC is the European branch of the Union of Scranton bringing him into union with the Old Catholics
Very interesting. Thank you for your research and sharing this video!😃
This video is educated me on the fact that the PNCC it's not a bunch of heretics in a Protestant denomination, but a truly Apostolic, though unfortunately schismatic, member of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
Meh. It's protestantism.
Actually it's not protestantism. Go do some simple googling on the subject.
@@loriloristuff it basically is.
@@dman7668If you have something to say, say it.
This is an ecumenical site, and most/many do not accept the papal claims to Vatican I. And many millions who don’t pre-existed both Protestantism and those dogmatic claims. So “it basically is” just doesn’t cut it.
@traceyedson9652 There isn't any difference in practice between protestantism and whats going on here. That's my point. They both reject the authority of the magesterium of the Catholic Church. Call it whatever you like but it really is just protestantism. They both reject the same authority.
Minus: Thou art Peter and upon this Rock I will build My Church. That plus where are they on gay marriage?
in Rome and some in Vatican the Vatican Curia not Vatican itself as such.
They completely reject gay marriage and believe that marriage is only a legitimate marriage with 1 biological male and 1 biological female.
How many tries to pronounce Anagignoskomena correctly?
We had a Polish National Catholic Church parish in Park Slope Brooklyn when I was young. I knew families who attended there. The church building was sold years ago and demolished . What a shame.
So, protestants.
Whats funny Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was also the birth place of Unitarianism which is one of Greek Catholic churches, Orthodox rite + Catholic Pope, It was one of the most popular religions in the Commonwealth before Russian occupation which was very harsh for their religion, but there are still milions of them in Ukraine.
Would like to see a video on the "Full Gospel Baptist Church"
My uncle is a priest in the PNCC.
Im a Pole and I didn’t even know such church exists. Thanks!
I live in Bayonne New Jersey and there a polish National Church
Probably because it doesn't exist in Poland; it pretty much exclusive to the U.S. and Canada.
It's an American thing to create new churches
@@flameguy3416And those offshoots planted in America are often far less politicized than their origins. Something to think about.
You'd be fascinated with the story of St. Stanislaus Kostka Polish Catholic Church in St. Louis, MO, if you're not already familiar. They were Roman Catholic, but then there was a years-long court battle and ultimately a split that started as a dispute over ownership of parish land and property (I had the chance to follow the beginnings of that battle during my time as a radio news reporter in St. Louis). They're not part of the PNCC (although there is a PNCC parish just west of St. Louis), they seem to be totally independent, and in fact appear to be open and affirming to the LGBTQIA+ community... at least for now.
I’m sure they will drop off soon then. For it is written: For once thou go woke thou shall go broke.
@@jiminycricket1593 it's been 18+ years since they were excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church, and 10+ years since the St. Louis archdiocese ended its court fight for St. Stanislaus' property (which St. Stan's won, by the way), and they're still kickin'. So losing the hate hasn't emptied the offering plate, if you will indulge a rather clunky rhyme 🙂 There are a handful of church members who have voiced interest in reconciling with Rome/the STL archdiocese, as I understand it; if that minority grows to a "we control your purse strings" size, that would be more likely to bring about your prophecy.
"dues" is such a weird concept...
Wait, what the heck LMAAAOOOO. This is actually a narrative and world-building talking point in Cyberpunk 2077. How the Polish Catholic Church splits from the Holy See because of major differences of opinion. And then the Polish Church elects their own pope and they declare Poland as the head of the Catholic Church
Sure, why not. After all, thats what happened in Rome.
Okay, here's what I heard from 14:50 to 18:45: "We _totally_ don't believe the same thing about damnation that Roman Catholics believe. Instead, we just believe exactly what Roman Catholics believe about damnation, which we differentiate using a more-optimistic _lean_ or _emphasis_ ...plus, we also believe in doctrinal development the way Roman Catholics believe it...just not, y'know, _their_ developments. We're having our own developments. Especially when it gets us closer to union with ROCOR ...wait, not ROCOR. Constantinople. Or Antioch. No, wait, maybe just David Bentley Hart...." 😉
NOTE: The above is a _sympathetic_ ribbing, delivered with a wink and a smile, not a snarl. If a member of the PNCC is reading it, please take it as friendly. (And I fully get that _you wouldn't say it that way,_ and that such simplification is tantamount to straw-manning, etc.) Listening to this description I find myself sympathetic to the PNCC: It seems to embrace something _very close_ to what I would embrace had I thought it was my responsibility (or within my power) to successfully reconstruct Christianity in a probabilistic way from the most-likely-authentic elements of the traditions, East and West. As it happens, I don't think that's my responsibility or within my capacity; I hold that's a departure from Christ's Epistemology-of-Faith. But, I'm sympathetic because if I _did_ believe Christ intended me to figure all that out in order to join the right church, and then to join the church that had the best-available match, I could very easily have joined a PNCC parish.
BTW, can we just stand in awe, for a moment, at how _thorough_ Josh was in this video? (Holy cow, dude!)
"It's schism, then..."
Could you do a video on the Union of Utrecht?
Could you make a video about Old Catholic churches (Utrecht Union)?
Yeah, communion is offered either at the rail or standing.
There was a Polish National Church named St. Josephat’s in Duluth, MN.
At 4:20, with the "National Catholic" and the "American National Catholic," I can't help but think of the constituents of Major League Baseball. ⚾
If rival sports leagues can come together, then maybe there is hope for Christian denominations? ✝️
Smoking that kief at 4:20? Maybe we can get along.
As orthodox i could not see any reason why they are not orthodox?! Western rite,proud polish patriots ...no problem😊
P.S problem will be only thear attidy for maried bishops.
So.. Protestantism?
I live in Poland and have never heard of them, interesting stuff!
There is an Old Catholic Church in Poland (Kościół Starokatolicki w Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej). Polish National Church is active in USA only.
It disappoints me to learn that they have such a prominent universalist streak, however much they may try to distance themselves from the term. They've been one of my favorite non-Lutheran denominations recently.
Impressive, they already think as Roman Catholics should and do.
when the branches are no longer attached to the vine, it dies. however valiant it seems, it still allows divorce and remarriage. unlike the catholic church which does not
Anglicans (at least Continuing Anglicans) do the slap at Baptism..
We need a video about the Mexican Catholic Apostolic Church
Please make a video about Anglo-Catholicism!
so now I'm wondering what is preventing the pncc from sharing communion with the Eastern Orthodox church as a whole? genuinely curious, because it's sounding like a harmonious blend of Western and Eastern theology
EO doesn’t view denominations, apostolic succession, & communion in the more formalistic & mechanistic manner that Westerns do. It’s much more relational, which makes it more complicated since there is really no procedure for reconciling groups in the West who have left the Roman obedience without “becoming Orthodox.” Since we view the EO Church as holding the Faith of the “undivided” Church, entering into Her communion is seen as the natural step. Some local Churches provide for a Western Rite. But recognizing “orthodoxy” in another “denomination” and receiving them as a Sister Church would probably require a pan-Orthodox consensus. And such a thing is currently impossible with Moscow & Constantinople is schism over ecclesiology. Willing to be corrected by better-informed Orthodox. But that’s my understanding as a layman!
thanks for the info ! that makes a lot of sense. it hurts my heart that Moscow and Constantinople are in schism😢
@@genevieverose1234It hurts a lot of hearts. I speak as one who lives in a community with a Greek parish and a ROCOR parish.
Can you do a video about the Palmerian church?
Protestant! Bottom line!
Nope, we don't want them either. You don't want them because they deny papal infallibility. We don't want them because they still "venerate" the queen of heaven and worship wafers as God. Just like the Orthodox, they can be in a box by themselves.
What's kind of odd is that the Boston Archdiocese had separate Polish churches from the early 1900s through the 1990s, in all cases I'm aware of literally just down the street from the "regular" Catholic church. These were NOT PNCC churches, but Roman Catholic churches catering to a particular ethnicity. These churches were official with their own clergy and so on. I think at their height there 20 or so churches so designated. All gone now.
Just mentioning this because I somehow thought it was something similar under discussion in the video, not a separate denomination.
A lot of times, at the turn of the 20th century, Catholic dioceses established what was known as a national parish for particular countries. The folks in those national parishes had their spiritual needs met, usually by a priest from their own country, and the bishop didn't have to listen to complaints from diocesan priests who weren't thrilled with a strange language (the Mass was in Latin in Roman parishes, so that didn't matter, but everyday requests did). In the Chicago Archdiocese, Our Lady of Pompeii (Italian) and St. Alphonsus (German) were once for immigrants and their progeny.
Another chief reason the denomination in this video was established was having the Mass in Polish. Every Roman Catholic parish until the 1960’s, even the ethnic ones, had the TLM.
fun fact in the picture of the old catholic bishop of the USA, bishop john of shanghai and San Francisco is there, one of the most well known american states
John Maximovitch?
@@owainthoma3945 yes, I use the office title
Lehet, hogy remek a video, de FÁRASZTÓ egy folyamatosan beszélő arcot nézni.... ha a szöveg jó, miért kell látszódni is? Mindenesetre köszönöm a megosztást.
Very nice explanation. Thank you.
I believe the word for that is protestanr
Why are these guys not just orthodox lol
Thank you as always. Our communion - the United Ecumenical Catholic Church - is a second or third cousin of the Old Catholic, PNCC, and other Independent Sacramental churches. I do appreciate their soteriological universalism.
Okay protestant
Indeed, traditionalist fundamentalist. 😉
“Soteriological universalism” would dogmatically place them outside catholic Christianity.
Is that Fr. Adam Kotas in the thumbnail? I was going through RCIA in the Diocese (now Archdiocese) of Las Vegas when he founded his new PNCC parish. There was a letter from the Bishop of Santa Rosa in our bulletins to inform Catholics throughout the Las Vegas area about Fr. Adam and his schism from the Church.
monneapolis mn has a Polish National Catholic church, but, they do follow Rome. many churches were edtablished for communities from different countries. ukrainian, greek, etc.
It's dumbfounding how they have a cathedral named after the Holy Rosary of Our Lady, but the doctrine of this church is a departure from Orthodox and Catholic beliefs.
I’m a Jew who grew up with a Polish Roman Catholic background in Scranton. The PNCC was a weird thing growing up in Scranton, especially with a dying Polish community. The Catholics there knew about it and would have interwoven relationships but everyone was distinct come Sunday.
"Anagignoskomena, " without missing a beat. Practice or "No sweat, I took Greek". I don't have any Greek but my grandfather said the accent was on the antepenultimate instead of the penultimate syllable. Weird the lessons we sometimes pick up from grandparents.
I was impressed!