Dogfighting Debriefs #7 - I Finally Get to Fly a Bf 109!
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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These dogfighting debriefs are multiplayer flights analysed to illustrate maneuvers, tactics, and the decision making process. Whether you see kills or deaths is irrelevant. If there is a learning point to be had, you will see it here.
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Its tricky to be higher cover for frendly that is attacking enemy airplane (if its only 2 of you vs 1, not 3 like in your first case), as you have to be in position to asist if frendly make mistake, look around for enemy who will see tracers from your frend (or is tm8 of guy under attack) and probably go for him, and also look at your 6 to not get bounced. So usealy all that is imposible to do 100%, and then if your enemy and see this situation, high cover guy is usealy good target, as hes probably not gona be able to see you coming, but if you attack guy low shooting his high cover would have good chance to see that and warn him and go for you. So the faster encounter ends the better chances to not get bounced.
you know a 109 is happy when it hobbles after landing home, fact
finally had a chance to watch this. loving this series man.
Nice to know you're still enjoying them Patrick! :-)
Great to see those negative G bump manauvers and comments on when to cut the throttle during the roll. Great video as always Req! (quick question - do you use a graphics rendering program like ReShade? Your colors looks pretty optimum for spotting bandits)
Cheers Mat, no I don't use any external stuff like Reshade although I did try it out years ago. I use ultra settings for the most part with blurred landscape and no SSAO with Gamma at 0.8. I think it's the gamma which makes the sim look better and help with spotting. For me...higher gamma settings tend to just wash out how the sim looks.
Beautiful landing m8
This video is great! Very interesting to see how your tactics really go into practice. Here I can learn from.
Good to know Yuri! It's nice to actually make videos showing what you see in my BFM videos in practice too :-)
I really enjoy these dogfight debriefs. It really helps to see the concepts from your other videos demonstrated like this.
Thanks Percy, I really enjoy making them but I need to fly a lot more multiplayer than I have been...which is hard recently!
109 likes....I made the 110th....but I see now, 111 :)
Good sign?
PS:
Luftwaffe rules are saying, always flying left hand turns over friendly AF, also at Luzi-Anton (Landing-Approach)
If it was in RL then yeah I would adhere to more stringent rules as generally speaking you will do left turns in the pattern at the majority of airports unless airspace or terrain is an issue. Normal circumstances I wouldn't even have landed LOL After I started turning final I would have had to go around then come back due to the guy on the runway and the other guy on short final. I had to get off the PC though so it was just...get it down ASAP and don't hit anything :-)
@@RequiemsACTL Haha ;) Aaaalright
I flew once with GOA stunner - great guy, very helpful and obviously very skilled too. As always, great play by play of your thought process which led to smart decisions and a successful outcome. Really liked the break turn on the runway heading and approach to landing. Wish more people would do this, especially on WoL!
Yeah super nice guy, I've really enjoyed the times I've flown with him :-) I don't see many people landing that way either, which is kind of why I elected to show the landing as part of this video! I have a tutorial out there already on how to do this "initial and pitch" or "run and break" but it's always fun to do one.
This is such a great series. It's informative, entertaining and narrated in a super nice storytelling manner. I appreciate your efforts.
These are all about just showing what can work and what doesn't. If I shoot something or get shot...as long as there is learning to be had is all that matters :)
Great video! As always. Which convergence are you using for the 109?
In the Bf 109 and Fw 190 I'll use about 300m or so for convergence.
I can't understand. To me it didn't look like doing Air Combat.
There is a lot more to air combat than just crazy maneuvers with lots and lots of kills. Working together as a team, decision making, all that stuff can be more important too because if you don't do those right then you're more likely to be shot down than be the one doing the shooting.
Yeah I understand what you mean. The airplane you fly affects how you experience the combat side of things. The Bf 109 has the luxury of dictating the fight to a lot of airplanes, so it's easy to just fly as a target to keep the bandit interested so my wingman can attack him. The zero has to rely on it's turn fighting ability which makes flying it a lot more fast paced.
I fly il2 or DCS in VR mode only now. I can barely see the rare end of my plane . I hurt my right shoulder two days ago when I was struggling to spot the guy who was shooting at me from the behind. I had to take a few painkillers to stop the pain(didn't work btw)
Usually I don't know if or what is on me until be fired upon,then I just do a belly roll & spit my ass to the ground and hope for the best:" Is he still on me?" "Ah SHIT!!"
if I was one of those WWII pilots，I would keep a mirror in my pocket all the time.
I was very surprised that that MiG got in that close completely unseen, though it is easy to miss planes when padlocked. Part of the reason I like reviewing tracks is to see all the bandits I missed during the sortie. If the MiG had a bit better S/A he could have slotted in on Stunner instead and might have had an easy kill, but it appears that luckily for you he was as padlocked as you were. You did an excellent job in the rolling scissors to force the Mig to overshoot and bravo to Stunner for scoring hits chasing someone in a scissors. That is a hard shot to make. I would say that after Stunner overshoots the Mig slightly his turn back into the bandit was too flat. If he had come more vertical it would have given him a better position closer to the 6 of the Mig and with less closing speed so he may have gotten a tracking shot instead of a snap shot. May have ended that fight right then.
The second engagement was beautiful. That lead turn was something to see. You're absolutely correct in saying that most people would have gone for the shot instead of taking the position for a better shot and that is why many are simply average. You had next to no chance of getting a clean kill with a high angle blind attack from your position but your intercept turned a nearly impossible shot into child's play. I have not seen many intercepts of that caliber.As for the 3rd engagement you made a very good entry into that fight and had excellent gunnery but I have to say that I winced a bit when I saw you turn away from Stunner like that.
Another great video, mate! If I could get clearance from my own "CO" to go flying I'd love to wing up sometime.
Hey Barton. I agree with everything you said for sure. When I was looking at Tacview I was thinking the same things and about how long it took to see the MiG in particular. While I was flying I was kind of in disbelief at how close he ended up LOL Glad you appreciate the second engagement though. Lead turns are probably the most "boring" thing to do as they aren't fancy but they have great potential to gain advantages in a fight very quickly. The third engagement I definitely rushed it as I was about to RTB at the time when I saw what was going on, but at least when I turned away from Stunner I provided the callouts relative to me and to him as to where to go. Stunner is very good so he was able to figure it out :-) I'd probably embarrass myself flying Axis fighters as I'm far from an "experten" on those airplanes because I really don't get an opportunity to fly them much (probably done more ground attack in a Bf110 than fighters honestly), but if you ever get clearance one day send me a PM and we can sort a time to wing up in a 109 or 190! I'd be interested in learning some techniques from those who know better like yourself :-)
@@RequiemsACTL I wouldn't say I "know better." It is easy to point out mistakes and better ways of doing things in debriefings, which is why I do them myself, but much harder to avoid making them in the moment. It is rare that I have a sortie where I don't make some mistake and you are quite good at handling yourself in a 109. Your rolling scissors was fantastic and that is something that a lot of people don't understand fully (they would, it they watched your video). I will definitely send you a PM when I get time to fly one of these upcoming weekends
Another beaut Req! You could end up using a helluva lot more editing time if you keep using Axis planes with all that ammo!! I guess the whole escapade is made a tad more effective due to the fact that your comms are involved as well eh? Like, "Bloody HELL, I've shot two down and I've still got over half my ammo left!!".
Thanks Rap, I could have flown for much longer....but it was getting later at night so I had to RTB pretty early due to orders from a higher ranking officer (wife). Like you said, if I flew until Bingo fuel it could have potentially been a VERY long video haha
@@RequiemsACTL Oooh! Yeah, my higher-ranking-officer is absolutley merciless!! ANY subordination is dealt with in a very uncompromising manner, let me tell you!! ;-)
Keep them coming, your doing good job explaining all important stuff in easy to understand way
Love to see a video on bomber intercept and different effective methods to the attack. Great videos as always brother!!! Top Notch!!!
Thanks Hutch :-) I do happen to have a fight recorded for a debrief which includes a bomber intercept, but I do think it would be useful to show various attack setups as a standalone video too.
Ok guys, you know the drill:
1. Like the Video
2. Watch the Video
3. Give positive Feedback
Well...only if the video is good enough Aspielm :-) I know not every video appeals to everyone but as long as I can know what you guys like/don't like it can shape what I'm doing.
Looks like some TAW action
I think this was Wings of Liberty, not TAW. My flying time recently has been a little limited so haven't had time to get into TAW too much unfortunately.
you can play on any server as serious as you wont, no mather if its fast food server or tactical war one, its up to player
Count Zero your stats certainly prove that you take your flights seriously. S!
@@Creep.- Thaks, having good wingman makes even boring flying and not just chasing kills every minute fun at any type of server, S
That mig3 should've bolted immediately, he must've seen at least you and the guy you were chasing and no way is a mig 3 going to wing a 2:1 with two f4's
I honestly think he was just padlocked on me very early and never saw Stunner. I believe that if he realised where Stunner was he would have gone for him first or maybe waited for a better position to attack.
@@RequiemsACTL no the guy you and stunner intercepted, yeah he prob didnt see stunner
Your analyses are always interesting. Thank you!
Appreciate that MvL, I've barely flown the 109 in MP compared to the Allied birds, but there were some good learning points in this sortie.
Those tgt markers on the side of the screen would be so helpful, atm learning to fly the warbirds and dogfighting is currently still unbelievably hard :D
Some servers do have those icons turned on, but none of my footage is recorded in them so they only show up in replays of my flights which I then record to show here.
@@RequiemsACTL Yeah, it would be great if IL-2 had an option to only have those without the full aircraft labels! And if only DCS had them, would really help to learn while offline as my biggist issue is losing track of the other plane :D
What's the little gun site for? That a backup?
Yeah just a back up iron sight. It's the same dimensions as the reflector sight so you'd use it in the same way. I've never used it though
@@RequiemsACTL Thanks for the reply! And thanks for creating this channel! Been a huge help learning the ropes while trying to get the hang of the P-51D in DCS.
whats your setup for flying if i may inquire?
I use a Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS with MFG Crosswind Pedals
You obviously were in the RAAF as was my father. Me l prefer the ground an the Army. Very informative.
Army is still good too ;-)
What program do you use to show the external view of the dogfight?
It's called Tacview www.tacview.net/product/about/en/ Great tool to analyse your fights after the fact.
I don't play ( yet!) but love to watch the vids. Now I can learn more about what's really going on; thanks, and subbed! :)
Very cool John, the learning curve is steep when you enter MP so stick with it a while!
@@RequiemsACTL yes, I suspect the curve is steep. I want to learn to fly a Griffin Spitfire, that's my motivation to tackle the beginners stuff. Thanks!!
Nice surprise! Great video as always. I hope we can fly again soon :)
Yeah I figured you would like it :-) We should fly together again, I think you have me on Discord...I plan on flying the F-18 in DCS MP next weekend as I've never tried DCS MP before so that could be something to keep in mind!
Nice landing!
Thanks! Sometimes you just get a greaser and it feels super good lol
@@RequiemsACTL As I am making my ULL license I can appreciate how a nice smooth landing feels to accomplish. ;)
Very cool!
Completely unobserved entry? That was the only thing I saw when watching the reel.
do you play with labels on?
No, I never do. I replay the flight afterwards and record it with the labels so you guys can follow along better.
Nice smooth aimin.
Are u using noiesfilter with 70% sens on pitch ? :O
Cheers Roland, I use a pitch axis of 40% and noise filter of 0.03.
@@RequiemsACTL Thank you Sir!
@@RequiemsACTL Hmmm Nice and smooth but hard to hit a plane if its close and start maneuvering.
Finallly ! instant like button!
Fantastic video
Buttered that landing
A blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while ;-)
If I was that Mig you would've been filled with holes already durning the first banking turn LOL
Probably so! My flying is just based on how threatening the bandit is appearing to me at the time, so I wanted to keep him interested in me while Stunner got in position. If you started shooting at me I probably wouldn't be so obliging with that easy turn lol
I was joking! But this video was a great and teaches how important it is to stay observant and persevering/judging the danger. You remand calm - understood the threat and reacted accordingly. It's a big thing of note thought all your videos - remain calm and stay smart!