What Is KLM Asia And Why Does It Exist?
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2020
- If you’ve ever flown with Dutch airline KLM or spotted one of their aircraft at their hub at Amsterdam Schiphol, you’ll notice something a little different about some of their aircraft. Some of their fleet’s livery have the words ‘KLM Asia’ painted across the side. But why is this?
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Simply Flying: Why does KLM Asia exi-
Me: wait....KLM Asia exists?¿?
i knew klm asia from the 777-300er rough landing video
Exactly
@@aeviaowehn3640 i knew this from st.Maarten airport where there they have the beach next to the runway klm Asia lands there
I thought it was an Indonesian subsidiary.
I flew KLM asia on the AMS-UIO route over 4 times and was always wondering why they were called like that. But now I found out luckily!!
So, basically you’re too lazy to Google?
@@terrenceklaverweide6356 maybe he's lazy
Same, but onto GYE
Ay I’m from UIO and I’ve been in that route too. Fun fact, the one and only time I went in that route, there was a bomb threat in the UIO-GYE-AMS route upon landing in GYE
One more fun fact: Air China planes that fly to Taiwan will not have their Chinese flag painted.
Really? Why?
@@_Doush_ Both People's Republic of China and Republic of China (Taiwan) don't reconize each other as a seperate country on their consitution(lots of pro independence support in Taiwan but the consitution of ROC said both Taiwan and Mainland China belongs to ROC), so they won't have their flag shown on other side.
Neither does China Airlines(Based in Taipei)
@@nathanchang201 China airlines doesn’t have a flag on the plane...
Think there's also been a debate in Taiwan/ROC over whether China Airlines should be renamed to reduce international confusion
Just a correction, the Chinese civil war took place between 1946-1949, while the People Republic of China (PRC) was established on October 1,1949
Just a correction, the Chinese Civil War took place between 1927-1936 and again from 1945-1949; an armistice was established during the Second Sino-Japanese War (a part of WWII), so that China could effectively combat Japan
@@intergalactic_butterfly You didnt have to say "check your history books" it's just a small mistake
@@sloanestreetaddict2954 Sorry, I've just been very argumentative recently… final papers for uni will do that to you. :(
@@intergalactic_butterfly Its fine
actually it's still going on, both sides never signed a deal
The real question is why does KLM Asia still exist while all the other Asian subsidiaries of airlines no longer do?
KLM is still state owned, that's a key distinction the video failed to make.
State owned has nothing to with this, state only recently increased their share and the Asia identity has been around longer
@@HsiPingChu It is not. Well, only for a small part. KLM is mainly owned by AirFrance/KLM, who in turn are partly owned by France and (since a few years) by the Netherlands, both having minority stakes in the parent company.
@@HsiPingChu "State-owned" is usually used to imply that it is "state-run", which not the case. The state is a shareholder (mainly as an excuse to shove money into KLM), but they have a minority share and no particularly large influence.
Reason: PRC having a hissyfit
Reason: because we constantly have to lick the boots of authoritarianism
The PRC AGAIN deciding they own a territory that's not theirs
@@wiryantirta Generally mainland China/PRC's market is regarded as too big to ignore I think. & in this context, I'm guessing some one might cue in the song by Meja - All About the Money?
Though KLM flies to Taiwan with its main brand, per request of the CCP, if they want to maintain destinations and air space in Mainland China, they have to list Taiwan as “Taiwan, China”
Ironically having KLM Asia and other similar subsidiaries registered in Taiwan means Taiwan are making money on this whole situation.
I just wanted to say that Taiwan and Taiwanese are amazing, and i can't wait to go to Taiwan again
Me Too
You and me both
Taiwan is the most Chinese friendly Version unlike the satanic PRC. Id would love to go to Taiwan cuz you dont have to fear for anything
Totally agree
@@joaobaptista8377 trust me once you step into Taiwan it's really hard to believe how much you'll love it
I literally only spent a handful of days there but I want to spend at least a month or so
Interestingly, Japan Asia Airways went out of service in 2008 when Japan and Taiwan reached a new agreement on flights between the two countries. The result was JAA being folded into JAL.
Here's a simple explanation in a dialogue
Dutch : My name is Van der Mark i want to come to Taiwan
Chinese : No, not with that identity
Literally the same Dutch : oh i'm sorry, my name is Fan Choi Mak
Chinese : perfectly acceptable, welcome
Are you kidding with this comment? Are you saying KLM established a subsidiary with a name Asia in it because Taiwan (ROC China) gov refused to let it in because the name wasn't Chinese/Asian enough? Have you even watched this clip? The name is due to Chinese communists (PRC China) feeling grumpy and wanted to control private companies on other countries with its market size.
@@geofferychang8713 His comment was a joke lol
@@alzameista6580 Let me do a joke too, every time I see a white person, I don't know should I greet by saying hello or heil someone, Muslins are easier, I just yell Allahu Akbar and trash-talk USA.
Now, do you see a problem what this Fan Choi Mak joke? Do you know this is extremely offensive and racist? How would you feel if someone say similar things to you then just shrug and say "Chill! It's just a joke!"
@@geofferychang8713 surprise surprise, i'm Asian. Dude, racism exist because people like you exist in the first place, we're living in this distressful world and you make it even more distress with this racism topics, it'll never ends, why don't we look each other as a human? And don't look for his/her skin tone? If you couldn't stand with any kind of this, you should find a new planet and live with your own race
@@geofferychang8713 oh and yeah, muslims are a religion, nothing to do with race you dimwitt
I did! KLM asia route AMS to MNL. There is this thing called technical stop in TPE where they offload passengers from AMS-TPE (for passengers end destination is TPE) then continue the journey to MNL for passengers end destination is MNL.
Condor Airlines had flown to TPE in 1990s, because Lufthansa cannot do it. BA also got a subsidiary called British Asia Airlines which had LHR-TPE route.
Thanks for this video! I’ve been waiting for this one😃
Nice content and nice representation simple flying team!!!
Keep it up!!!
Love your channel and videos!😃😀
Taiwanese here,Love this video!
Thanks for the feedback! - JS
I really love the topics you choose to make videos about.
That is a fascinating piece of information.
I flew KLM Asia from HKG to AMS once on a 747. I have wondered why it was different from KLM. Thanks for a great explanation!
Since first seeing them at Schipol, I’ve always wondered why. Thank you.
never realized this before, thanks simple flying, you've taught me something new
KLM Asia: Exist
Indonesians: YO WAIT A SECOND...
😂😂
GEKOLONISEERD
KLM Asia do flown to Indonesia via Kuala Lumpur
Usually it from Thailand then Malaysia then Indonesia 😂😂😂
@@KaptenGaruda2 TERKOLONISASI
(Must. Translate. To. Indonesian. So that complements the GEKOLONISEERD spirit loool)
@@myteam94 KLM has a daily route from AMS, via Singapore to Bali (although Bali is scratched at the moment)
I flew KLM Asia from AMS-NRT. It was my first time flying to Asia, so seeing that livery was quite exciting. I thought it was just a special livery, but it is cool to know about this. I saw no difference between normal KLM aircrafts and KLM Asia aircrafts. I just know regardless, KLM are amazing to fly with. They bring back really happy memories and their IFE is great. Very comfy seats too. Love your videos by the way! Great content and really interesting facts and news.
I used to visit Paramaribo (Suriname) or Aruba once a year. So I’ve flown on a Boeing 747 KLM Asia several times departing from Amsterdam. There’s literally no difference other than the outside livery. On the inside you would find KLM branded materials with the Dutch royal crown on it.
Great informative video, Truth has been told! 👍👏
JAL was the first to spot this solution to enable them to fly to both Taiwan and the mainland in 1975 and the other airlines followed. It was feasible for then to create a separate airline as they had flights from various Japanese airports to both Taipei and Kaosiung. Other carriers had low frequency flights just to Taipei so it was easier to just repaint a couple of aircraft
Extraordinary information provided To us all in such simple way easy to understand such complex situation. Thank you ❤
I have been on two of the KLM Asia aircrafts. B772 of PH-BQN and an B77W of PH-BVB both from. AMS-YYZ. There is no real differences, except for a bit more Chinese writing onboard. You still get the wonderful Dutch hospitality from the wonderful KLM cabin crew members.
I has been flown with KLM from KUL- CGK- KUL. It was an amazing flight as the crews are friendly and I enjoyed it.
I have flown on KLM Asia flight from KUL-AMS and return leg AMS_KUL. The experience was the same as flying any KLM aircraft - from the aircraft cabin, cabin crew, inflight service, IFE, etc.
That KLM ASIA have a complete route of KL807 AMS-TPE-MNL & KL808 MNL-TPE-AMS... Amsterdam to Manila via Taipei.
I flew Klm Asia on the route ams-lim in the 777-300 . It was just the same thing as the normal Klm . This was back in 2011.
I flew KLM Asia to Johannesburg, Africa. It had the same interior as KLM’s normal B777’s. A very nice experience after all!
Thanks for letting us know about that! I had the opportunity to fly to Brazil on some of those crafts few times, always wondering the reason behind that brand. Now I know! Thanks a Lot!
Very interesting and informative.
Yeeeee...I've flown last year in a 777 and it was a nice flight, the crew took me some pictures...plane wasn't full...was able to visit the cockpit...nice flight
Wow love your vids teach me about aviation
Flew a KLM Asia flight last year IAD-AMS and would have ever known if i didn’t notice the “Asia” added to the livery. Nice flight in any event.
Favourite RUclips channel of all time
Thanks for the feedback! - JS
We had a British Asia Airways 747-400 at BA, it was used on the Hong Kong - Taipei route.
Cool😎 Another Taiwanese here!! I have flew KLM Asia before to Taipei and never know what is the different between those two, now I get it👌
I'm very often flying a KLM Asia aircraft on the Amsterdam to Accra route. I didn't know about this distinction! Interesting
I flew on KLM Asia PH-BVB from Amsterdam AMS to Tokyo NRT in June 2019, and honestly the service was great and no different from usual KLM. Until now, I didn’t know why KLM asia existed and I also wondered why KLM Asia was flown to North and South America as well as Africa, but now I understand why.
1:38 wait what? most of the western countries didn't recognize Taiwan as a indipendant state?
Because their politicians lack a spine and wants dirt easy money from china's concentration camp labourers
That is right. Mainland China holds a lot of economy significance thus no government would want to displease China. But they wouldn't want to give up Taiwan either.
Mainland China have made it clear: there is no 2 China and you can only recognize one of them. Most Country choose mainland while maintaining "unofficial" but friendly relationships with Taiwan.
Guys chill. If you take a closer look, you’ll see that this vote was in 1971 that was 50 years ago. It looks way worse now.
its sad but true. Taiwan is kept out of organizations like the WHO, and excluded from all the world flag events- china being the powerful nation it is blocks Taiwan everywhere. Taiwan needs its independance!
thats good
I've flown in one of their 777-300ER from Amsterdam (AMS) to Rio de Janeiro (GIG). A very very long flight 😁
Flew the KLM Asia 747 from Amsterdam to Boston it was quite the experience! 😎
I flew a KLM Asia plane from Amsterdam to the US, I think it flew in from Malaysia (?) prior to it going to America. It looks exactly like a KLM aircraft, just without the crown, even on the inside
Wonderful video Loved it much ❤️❤️❤️... Just one question does KLM ASIA flies to other destinations other than Taipei??
I have been on a KLM Asia 777 200LR From Kansai KIX to AMS Schiphol. Very nice and same interior of the new KLM interiors. (i went this summer)
I have already flown aboard a KLM Asia 777-200ER for a flight to Bali via Singapore!
Going to DXB today on a KLM Asia that's why I look it up. Thanks
Been on one, AMS-DPS (via SIN). It’s only the outside after all. Inside is the same KLM intercontinental service as any other non-Taiwan flight. Just to put up a show for the Chinese suppressor.
Aside from KLM, Swiss Air, JAL and Air France, British Airways (British Asia Airways) and Qantas (Australia Asia) did it too.
I already go on KLM aisia it very nice you always have the screen after landing and even tv for 1:40 minutes flight
Yes I was on board twice on Jakarta - Amsterdam route and return with stop over in KL
Didn’t see any different service thou
I'm an ex-ground cleaner staff the KLM Asia b772 always regular stop at KUL ☺
There is a route that operates KLM Asia it's KL807/808 Amsterdam to Manila via Taipei pre COVID-19. Manila to Taipei local traffic is actually carry by partner Airline China Airlines or Competitor Philippine Airlines. KL807/808 has connecting passengers from Eastern United States JFK Airport KL642 to which a KLM Asia B777-300/er can be assigned to operate
It did exist when I saw a KLM Boeing 777-200 with that livery
This video is really cool a kinda different video. Please upload more diplomatic related Aviation contents like this because most of the channels are not covering about the diplomatics which is happening behind the Aviation.
Thanks for the feedback! - JS
As a spotter from Beijing, I think this rule is apparently non-existent by now. We have spotted KLM Asia 777s a few times in Beijing, the latest being yesterday's KL897 (PH-BVB). Second, many international airlines, like United, Delta, ANA, just to name a few, fly to both Taiwan and Mainland China under the same entity. Last and most importantly, our flag carrier Air China and other Mainland Chinese carriers fly to Taiwan directly, just like how China Airlines and EVA fly to the Mainland on a regular basis.
I’m from Taiwan and used to travel a lot on klm, and also on Air France a couple of times, and from what I’ve observed, no airlines take notice anymore, as I’ve recently flown on Turkish airlines who do not (to my knowledge) have an equivalent. It’s interesting tho cuz I remember when I was younger and used to always question the reason for it lol
Yes, they operated a Boeing 747 400 Combi between Amsterdam and Houston. Planes could sometimes change, but did fly on the Asian one a few times. No difference really, did miss the crown a bit though :P. KLM is now flying the 787 between Amsterdam and Houston, nice aircraft, really comfortable.
I flew on a KLM Asia combi from AMS to IAH. Best flight ever!
that is a long way to reach the states.
@@CP1900PC It was being used on the AMS to IAH service, and was a direct flight. :)
As a Taiwanese person, I find this very nice
777-300ER from Schiphol to Bali a few times. Need to disembark at Singapur where the plane is cleaned and there is a change of crew
Some time ago I saw one of their B777-200 in Panama City-Tocumen airport
Flew on a KLM Asia 777-200 from Cape Town up to Amsterdam great flight and im pretty sure there was also an Asian language presumably Chinese inside the cabin there was none on the 777-300 that I had taken down
this really interesting
I saw one of these two planes in Buenos Aires... Interesting
Flew a few times on the B747-400 KLM Asia aircraft and to be honest there wasn't too many differences. The crown was missing from the tail, winglets, and engines, and the Dutch and EU flags on the back near the registration. Close to the nose (747 at the time), for example, 'City of Hong Kong' was written, and this was also written in Mandarin, which the normal KLM aircraft didn't have. Inside the aircraft everything was mostly the same like the service, cabin, entertainment, etc. The only things I noticed was that the safety card had KLM Asia written on it without the crown, and any other KLM logo also had the crown missing! The TV's (which were hanging from the ceiling, no personal IFE at this time!) also had the same movies playing as the normal KLM but with subtitles in Mandarin! Also, the inflight information would first show everything in English, and then show everything in Mandarin. Basically, not too many differences, but enough to notice it wasn't a 'normal' KLM plane!
So far, the best airline in terms of services I have been fly with. Food is great and flight attendants are so accommodating 😊😊.
Not sure about KLM Asia, but I once flew Continental Micronesia from San Francisco to Washington-Dulles!
Yes, I flew in a KLM Asia 747 cargo combi to Singapore.
I flew AMS-JFK with the B747 multiple times with the KLM Asia livery, I always wonder what it meant and why it would fly to the US?
Yes, I did fly with KLM Asia from Taipei to Amsterdam back in November 1996, but I can't remember the flight because I was a 3 month old baby that went to The Netherlands to get adopted by my forever family 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱
However, Taiwan still has a special place in my heart. I obviously don't agree with the Chinese government about the thought of a republic of China. Taiwan has its own government, flag and national anthem. Everything it needs to be an independent country 🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼
I flew KLM asia from AMS to TPE four years ago, they have the best dessert imo :)
Finally someone speaks out for Taiwan and the difference between ROC & PRC
The reason why airlines no longer have an “Asia” subsidiary to serve Taiwan is because their national carrier China Airlines has completely privatised, their new livery no longer based in the colours of the flag of the Republic of China, and their planes no longer have the flag in it. Though most large airlines under PRC pressure lists Taiwan as “Taiwan, China”
Should’ve expanded the definition to include star alliance and all subsidiaries.
Was flying november to sao paulo with KLM asia 777-300er..
A Question Regarding Schiphol Airport. Why is there some Many Delta Air Lines Planes? I've been To Schiphol before but I never really understood why.
KLM Reg. PH-BVC has the KLM ASIA livery, yet it flew from AMS to PVG (Shanghai Pudong International) on Nov1st... and to HGH (Hangzhou Xiaoshan International) Oct 26... aren't those both in mainland China?
I literally asked this question the other day, and it came out when I asked the question, or on the same day, lol
Yay klm is my airline, i subscribed :) btw i think its the first airline? Idk
It was DELAG and then KLM. DELAG is gone now. KLM is the Oldest airline that still flies
KLM Asia had 747 that were half cargo and half passenger. Very old. Still had centralised entertainment system hanging in the isles. I flew on one of those some time ago. I don't remember exactly, but would have been about 10 years ago? It was well within the personal entertainment era.
Most of KLM‘s 747-400s where combi aircraft, if you’ve flown on one 10 years ago it definitely was one of them.
Thank you.
Ive flown KLM Asia 777 from Schipol to Suvarnabhumi many times. Never noticed a difference.
I saw one time in SIN a 777 KLM Asia next to our a350 Qatar
I've flown with KLM Asia.. the planes are showing their age (777), hopefully gets replaced by newer aircraft.
I look KLM Asia so many in Singapore,Kuala lumpur, Jakarta and Bangkok that so many in Boeing 777-200.
it was the first time I took such a long flight from Peru to Taiwan, thanks to KLM ASIA ;)
Flew from MCR to Dubai and bloke next to me had a bad nervous twitch, was aweful couldn't sleep
I flew once with KLM Asia AMS-CUR
It was just the same as every KLM Flight, but i was kinda wondering if this aircraft didn't go somewhere in Asia or something
I saw a KLM Asia 777-300ER rotate out of Aruba with the sunset in the background, I wish I had my camera
Kim Asia was flying to Indonesia,Jakarta in 2018
The “Asia” 777-200ER is a daily visitor to Ecuador (UIO and GYE)
Interesting enough when Air France resumed flights to Taipei in 2017, it did not bother to return to Air France Asie. Japan Asia Airlines returned to Japan Airlines around 2009ish after a some treaties were sorted between Taiwan and Japan
I took a flight from Amsterdam to São Paulo. Although it had no relation with Taiwan, the plane I was in had the “Asia” next to klm
Yep, they are used for many other routes, just not to the PR of China.
I flew on the KLM Asia 747, but not to asia but from St Maarten to Amsterdam
Idk but I love it whenever I’m going to Amsterdam
Flew on a KLM asia 747 Combi From JFK-AMS. It was fun.
I've seen the KLM Asia Aircraft at SFO and PVG before