Probably not, as it will be expensive. Existing ICE cars will best be used as boat moorings as their values will plummet through the basement floors. This because of taxation of their use, taxation on fuels, and legislation restricting their use in places like inner cities. Electrification of classics will become a big thing, like EV West are doing in California. Just last year sold off my daily driver petrol car, a 964 Turbo and a manual Carrera T amidst covid pandemic for great prices. Replaced all three cars with a flipping awesome Taycan🥇 Couldn’t be happier!
Hey they already are prolonging mineral oils. Synthetic fuel like ethanol is already mixed with gasoline as they have high octane. Also these days syngas (mainly Carbon monoxide) from emissions of process plants is converted to ethanol with relative feasibility.
Yes it will (and it can already be mass produced for a cost of 4€/litre that will decrease massively over the years). Rather expensive but in a nicer way than EV's. ICE cars through syntetic fuel, will destroy Co2 where EV's are mere carbon neutral vehicles.
The cost of this fuel could be around $10 a gallon. so when they say weekend fun they really do just mean limited to the weekend. but yes it's an idea that might help things. (Particularly for the rich)
@@jansa940 Why don't you want EV but want hydrogen vehicles? Hydrogen cars are cumbersome to deal with, expensive, and not fun at all to drive. The infrastructure required for them alone is far too complicated to ever replace EV..
So... A Stirling engine. In theory, you could scale up one of those little Stirling engines that spin using the temperature difference between a hand and the ambient air (they can also spin from the temperature difference between ambient air and ice). You would need a CVT or a hybrid transmission to use them though, because Stirling engines can't change rpm quickly like I.C.E. engines, but it *is* possible to move a vehicle using ice energy.
E-fuel isn't technically all that difficult - it's about making the end product fuel affordable to those without endless pockets, ie. 99% of petrolheads!
@@christopherayala4619 my money for future fuels would be synthetic. Biofuels have been in development for years and it's still not completely available yet, while synthetic already just did a whole flight on a plane yesterday. Food prices also might go up due to biofuels but who knows they could fix that.
What an inspiring piece of content. My respect for Porsche is through the roof. I hope there will be a continuous segment to continue building combustion engines in collaboration with the synthetic fuel industry.
I don't think the overall thinking behind this is so that i.c. engine manufacture continues. It's more about allowing those whom will have an i.c. engined car to continue using it well past 2030, because once the ban on the sale of new i.c. is here it surely won't be too long before legislation begins. And e fuel will be about meeting those legislative requirements. The automotive manufacturing sector seems to have accepted/realized that i.c. production is nearing it's final sunset.
@@Brian-om2hh yea makes sense. It’s also quite likely that there will be a market for converting IC vehicles into EV ones. This is currently being done to old Jaguar E-types. This could also be done for a great many other nostalgic vehicles, if the demand is there.
@@aarontaylor1040 There are a handful of small outfits offering conversions for various vehicles now... I've seen various conversions, such as an Inspector Morse type Jaguar, fully electric with all mod cons. Air con, heated seats and windscreen, electric windows, led headlights etc....Beautiful job. A snip at £69k........ Sold in no time....
I think they are desperate.. I mean electric car less go to repair shop & maintenance while luxury european super cars take a profit from those service maintenance & ownership... and they are not a volume cars too
@@aarontaylor1040 Oh god, that hurts my soul... I really hope this doesn't become a trend, because when you convert a classic to an EV it really isn't the same IMO.
I really hope that they can save ICE cars because i wanna have the chance of driving cars with the following engines when i grow up: V8, V10, V12, I6 and rotary
I mean, there are rumors of Mazda’s fabled RX lineup making a return with the proper rotary, but I wouldn’t bet on there being another rotary powered car any time soon. There is hope, however, as a new patent filing suggests Mazda will create an RX-9, and the rotary has made a small return as well in the MX-30 as a range extender (and said rotary has been modernized 2 meet emissions standards and shit)
@@axnn1 Euro 7, which is due to appear in 2025, will effectively kill off any further development in ICE. Once ICE production ceases, which it definately will, the number of ICE cars begins to reduce. As they get older, they wear out, break down, and some will become uneconomic to repair. Like I said, a dead end. If you're hoping they will just go on and on making them, you are like the polar bear on a melting iceberg. Audi for example, have stated they will be producing their final ICE cars for the European market in 2026.......
@@Brian-om2hh no are all true, efuel only emit 10% of CO2 vs Fossil fuel in average. No need convertions, no need adapters kit, no need new car, only need cheap price of purchase, for reseach the price, only need scale economy. In a engineer point of view, have enormous advantajes in develop of New generations of ICEs, example, it's more cheap desing a 2 valve-per-cilinder, natural aspired, High liters engines, like a 2.4L I4, 3.4/3.6L V6 or 4.5 V8 natural aspired, cheap desing, no-turbos, less moving parts, and simple mechanic, making cheap Cars with enormous advantajes in range and re-fueling times, Very competitive vs Electric cars, the e-fuel is easy to "extract" in countries with Sea, no need mining nothing(vs Battery), only need make a clean energy grid for considering green
@@vicentea.3692 Like I said, ICE is now a dead end. They are going out of production, beginning in the next few years. And, in just a few years, more and more towns and cities will introduce clean air zones, with no ICE engines allowed.
That would be cool but once I felt the speed of the taycan turbo I realized ice is dead. Nothing compares to instant torque, they can basically mow down anything. Just a matter of time and economies of scale.
@@brandonlewis5045 oh I intend to keep driving it as long as I am on the topside of the dirt and I can find gas for it. I'm putting a new engine in it this week.
Well friends, its been one hell of a ride as a car enthusiast. A shame I’ll never get to really be a part of the community but I loved every second. Thanks for the memories guys✌️
I am 16 and I haven't entered the community yet, The time I will enter, They will be on the line of extinction. So I want this e-fuel as soon as possible or else there will be no meaning to work . I mean just imagine, you are a millionaire or a billionaire but u cannot roar with your expensive cars . 😭😭😭😭
Same feeling, therefore, like said enjoy it every tank now you can! Im a enthousiast of old Volvo's en bought an Porsche 944 for the weekends. Now is the time to enjoy so you can look back in 2040 and think, glad we could have enjoyed it. The memories will never fade!
Ev's in a decade may be the norm when it comes it daily drivers and that is fine by me but an ev, for me at least, will never be a true sport car. They don't have the sound, the gear changes, the drama, the sense of occasion, they are just extremely fast. I hope there is a way we can still drive ice cars in the future and synthetic fuel gives us hope.
Perhaps someone can make an electric car motor with a power band the width of your "supersnake". So that you have to continually wrestle with a gear shift lever just to keep it moving. Will that be romantic enough for you?
@mo gamer it's just what you're used to, that's all. Having a gearstick gives you something to do and makes you feel important. But it's makework - it's only necessary because of the limitations of the engine. Good luck finding an ICE sports car that has such a low centre of gravity. Or that can get to 60mph in under 3 seconds. Or pick any other speed benchmark you want. "Those new fangled automobiles just don't do it for me. There's nothing like the feel of a whip in your hand and the stink of sweaty horses. Now that's driving."
Its not fine by me, I hope it fails and blows over. Its annoying to hear about ev junk. Big motor v8s and diesels fuck the bullshit politics, let people live my god!
I hope synthetic fuels will save ICEs and make them futureproof. Government should invest in synthetic fuels rather than banning ICEs in various countries
Actually guys no! There is no hope unless we do something about it! EV is political decision! And stupid politicians lead by criminal "environmentalist" kill ICE. Cant confirm it but I've heard that group of scientist suggest to the German government to add the synthetic fuels to the group of clean energy sources and give subsidies for the development of more efficient ways... and the corrupted politicians said they have the batteries - so it is all political shit! If governments stop pouring tax money on incentives for EV the sales of those shit are gone!
@@BenzinioB I bet Elon Musk got all those politicians in his pocket,it wouldn't be hard for the world's richest man to do that,offering money for politicians to ban gas cars would be a win situation for all of them,EVs are nothing but government manipulation.
Synthetic fuel would be a massive game changer. It would keep the second hand car market going, classic cars can be enjoyed and no guilt for driving to the shop down the road.
Its actually the most logical step for automobiles. But there are already articles in the mainstream trying to discredit e-fuels or zero carbon fuel alternatives. A japanese automaker i forgot which one is already testing water based ICE, theres a video out.
@@jsz2619 always a strategy. Fuel lines and all associated ancillaries that need to be will be replaced to deal with the fuel. And mapping the engine to run it of course. I'm just saying I'm hoping that these fuels become a viable option for us all running on fossil fuels so we can keep them running, without having to convert to electric. As some of us enjoy the visceral feel and sounds that come with an ICE.
Hi, I'm your neighbour from down below, have you heard about car companies investing into Indonesia to build EVs? Indonesia have a lot of natural resources that could benefit our region. Tesla is also in on the idea, they might build another Gigafactory.
@@0163844098 yes, you guys have a huge nikkel supply. However, Thailand is stuck in political turmoil and not invested in a EV future yet. Teslas’ and European cars are heavily TAXed. The affordable choices are diesel and eco(petrol) cars.
@@impianotespaul I have a bigger problem. Both of our car companies refuses to join the EV push, because they said it would be "Too expensive for the average consumer" or "We don't have the tech for it". Thus, politicians are taxing EVs more than supercars to prevent them from being brought into the country.
The noise won't speak out words like Guten Morgen (good morning in German). It will still make a typical ICE vehicle sound even if they run on synthetic fuels
I am very happy to see the progress porsche is making. On a side note, they recently announced that when their formula is finalised, they will share it with formula 1, as well as the consumer market so this is epic
It would be even more boring to carry on making cars with engines if there was no fuel to power them.... You have obviously never driven an electric car......
@@Brian-om2hh There can be alternative fuels still used too enjoy them. Yes i have driven plenty of ev’s so what if there quick of the mark there is no feel in the car no rpm feel, no gear change nothing. Your obviously not much of a car person to understand this
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. e fuels will simply make the use of most cars viable for 15 to 20 years after 2030. It isn't going to be a *forever* thing. Eventually, most i.c. cars will go the way i.c. cars always have, and these new fuels are there as a stop gap to meet any new legislation introduced after 2030....
People were wedded to horses once..... The supply side of efuels will never meet demand. They say they may be able to produce 500 million litres per year. The World consumes in excess of that in a single day...... And there's little chance of someone stumping up big bucks to fund a further 400 efuel plants just to keep old technology running for old time's sake. Old time's sake doesn't make profits....
Man I just started making money and got my V8 six years ago. I've never had a V12. I'm not ready to give up on my dreams. As an electrical engineer, I still prefer combustion.
@@nbaumg What use are the rumble and pops if you get smoked by electric cars? you see, I love cars and I love driving. I want cars to be better, faster, more reliable. Who cares about rumbles and pops if you're doing the quarter mile under 10 seconds??? Or not having to do oil changes, or filters, valves, tune ups... The "rumbles and pops" is the equivalent to kids putting a card on the bicycle's spokes. Makes noise, does nothing for performance! But, hey, kids...
Oil changes aren't really a big deal. Electric cars can still need tires, struts, steering components, Coolant leaks repaired. For many people electric cars are not very practical. For myself and most people in the city I live in i Park on the street, so I have nowhere to charge.
Yes, hybrid seems like the best of both worlds. All the enjoyment of an ICE but the motor gives you instant torque and recharges your batteries when you're going downhill or stopping.
I want a efuel powered high revving NA V12 F1 car @ 20k rpms! Smooth linear 950bhp and lightness guaranteed!!! Also don't forget the awesome soundtrack!!
Not only ICE cars, also synthetic fuel is possibly the way to make aero engines greener. Also do you think that classic ICE cars will be like steam trains, ie probably taken to tracks or along specific routes where they can be filled up with synthetic fuel as not many garages will be around to sell it?
Another Covid lockdown day, while realizing my STI with his limited stomach and good appetite may not reach the nearest petrol station in 10 years, just made me feel a bit sadder. Anyway, thanks for the glimpse of hope that Rory brought! Cheers, fellow dinosaurs.
if we take carbon reduction seriously, then aviation should get efuels first, while this will leave nothing for combustion cars. it’s absolutely right decision that most manufacturer are in ongoing process to switch to BEVs . Just to give you a feeling about the situation, efuel needs a loooot of electric power, while currently the worldwide electric power is not sufficient to produce enough efuel for the whole aviation. and we are only talking about aviation: long distance trucks, ships, trains and many other areas need the efuel a lot more than the cars where the BEV we already have is a good alternative for many use cases. While I also believe and hope we'll have in future some (expensive) efuel to keep Oldtimers alive, I also have to express my disappointment about the headline which gives the impression to many people that efuel could generally save the petrol cars. It will be hard enough to reduce CO2 in the next years, so we have to stop petrol car production asap and avoid wrong perceptions which would just make it harder for many to switch to BEV or FCEV
Im begging for people to recognise that technology since 2015. look at carbon engineering, amazing firm, or Bosch, they pioneered it too! The future should be a healthy mix between ICE with synthetic fuel and electric vehicles
You'll also notice Mazda are beginning to sell electric cars. This efuel isn't intended to "save" i.c. engines. It's intended to help them meet any new legislation introduced after 2030. And even then, not all of them will...
@@Brian-om2hh You think that many of these bans are set in stone. Just imagine all the resistance from enthusiasts and infrastructure problems those countries will be facing.
To people who are interested in synthetic fuels: check out the way the Canadian company “Carbon engineering” plans to make e-fuel from carbon dioxide in the air, basically using artificial photosynthesis to make synthetic hydrocarbon based fuel. Once that is possible to power by renewables, and is possible to scale up, it think we have good sustainable solutions to all petrolheads around the world!
Here's another idea: Ethanol and Biodiesel produced from Algae. It requires very little electricity to grow the algae and refining it into fuel is basically the same as oil.
Hydrogen requires way too much energy to harvest. The process is extremely inefficient. And hydrogen still needs transporting after being harvested, so no reduction in pollution there. It's not easy to get hydrogen from wind or solar either. It can be done, but it's a complex process.. Hydrogen may have a future for powering trains, ships and maybe for some other uses though. In any case, a hydrogen powered car is an electric car anyway...
@@Brian-om2hh There are plans to build a hydrogen production plant within 1/4 mile of my house adjacent to where the electricity comes inland from the wind farms just off the coast where I live this is to make use of the electricity that is surplus to requirements at times of low demand, hydrogen produced here will be used to power local buses so no transportation required as they will fill up here also. Hydrogen can be used in a conventional internal combustion engine as well as powering fuel cells.
@@AJ-qn6gd For buses it could work well enough, but for the normal motorist it can't at the moment because there are just 11 hydrogen filling points with public access in the whole UK.... A bus depot will have it's own tank, and they won't allow anyone else to use it... Another issue not often considered with hydrogen is handling. The pressures involved are sometimes as much as 5000psi, so care will be needed.....
Great video, I have been telling anyone who will listen about the synth fuel plant in Chile for a few months now. Just bought a nice 5L V8 f-Pace. Long live the V8.
Is this synthetic fuel for only rich car collector, will be fuel be affordable to a normal petrol head? Nice time to invest in synthetic fuel. Nice content!
Ah the Porsche and Siemens is going to ready for 2022, Haru Oni Plant in Chile producing only 130K litre at first then 2026 to 550 million litres of Synth-Fuel, wish them luck lad !
Government should invest in synthetic fuels. Hope these fuels will work on regular petrol and diesel vehicles and hope that they will save ICEs. All vehicle manufacturers should invest in synthetic fuels with the governments of all countries
@@aditya5474 Yeah the alternative fuel is expensive sadly and although e85 is better its low quantity and only a litter more eco friendly than fossil fuel.
@@MRpickleYandR yeah but not for the long time remember when old fossil fuel are expensive and now everyone can buy it so it will be the same as synthetic fuel did
So I can keep my classic 1956 Ford Country Sedan and it’s engine well into the next century if the e-fuel/synthetic fuel becomes common? I’d love to keep it at least well into the next few decades.
@@placeholdername0000 yes, but on a high end supercar this wouldn't be as much of a problem (looking at the kind of persons who purchases them, they should be able to afford it)
@@robbiemarshall1481 I don't know about taxes, but excess renewables will mean that cheap electricity will be available a certain times, if a lot of solar is installed it will likely be around midday, but cheap wind power will probably also be available quite often.
@@placeholdername0000 government will increase electricity prices when most are changed to ev, they won't have the huge tax income from fuel anymore and will have to have a way of getting the same amount of money if not more, it is cheap for now but won't be for long, plus solar and wind aren't very reliable
your country is too dangerous, and too corrupt to risk building any meaningful infrastructure on I vote for an orbital mirror that will divert sunlight away from Africa and onto an orbital solar array, then use a powerful microwave beam to transmit the power to a ground based receiver station on earth even that is a safer investment than building expensive infrastructure in Africa
Just today I watched a video about Britain applying for membership at the Trans-Pacific Partnership trading group. Importing fuel from Chile should be a child's play for you lads.
Forget it. They would need to import hundreds of times the amount produced to even begin to satisfy demand. In any case, it would only ever get used in older engines. No new petrol engines after 2030 remember..... Don't expect it to be cheap if you can get it either. Another type of synthetic petrol has been available in the UK for years, it's called Aspen. It has no smell, and doesn't go "off" like normal petrol sometimes does. It is mainly used by guys who work on trees, and by landscape gardeners in their strimmers, turf cutters etc. The downside? It's twice the price of unleaded petrol. It's available at the places that sell chainsaws etc....
@@nevarran They'll never be able to produce enough. They reckon 500 million litres per year. That's just enough to satisfy the World demand for one day... Unless somebody holds a raffle to decide who is driving on a certain day...
These explained are my favourite videos. You should do one in the car market in Australia. No emissions regulations, very few hybrid / electric vehicles and a desire for bigger and bigger pick ups. Makes the UK look like another world!
god bless porsche. keeping the manual alive, and trying to keep the ice alive. They are the true car enthusiasts.. not the money hungry suits that most other auto manufacturers have become.
I live in an area where it frequently reaches -10°F in the winter. EV technology would have to come a long way for an EV to be able to operate in such conditions without major problems with range and battery degradation. I think governments are putting the plow before the horse by setting these hard deadlines and not considering the actual implentation. Hopefully synthetic fuel can get cheaper and more efficient to make and be a viable alternative for people who can't/don't want to use EV's or want to keep driving their classic non-EV cars beyond when they stop being produced.
I really pray to God, so that this Synthetic Fuel becomes a Massive Hit.... And so that it can keep those GAS V6 V8, V10, V12 and Diesel V6s alive. 🙏🙏🙏
Hmm, sounds expensive as biofuels / synthetic fuels are at present. But if more companies push for it, supply and demand goes up, prices should go down. Personally, I’d love to see a greater push for this kind of effort, not just because I’m a car fan (I love EVs too), but because some people cannot live with the “limited range” and “slow charging of EVs” available now. But charge times are falling off a cliff with the latest EVs, charging infrastructure is steadily improving and how often do we need to do a 300-mile drive in one shot? So let’s hope these two forms of propulsion energy for vehicles can co-exist in an increasingly eco-conscious world in the next 5 years.
Porsche and Siemens are working on a factory in Chile and the results of e-fuels are a great idea and have had a positive result so far. Once they solve distribution and production it could be a real viable alternative to electric and hybrid cars. It's exciting times!
It won't be a viable alternative, because the cost - when you can finally get it - will be an eye opener.... Plus I can't "fuel" my car up on my drive on cheap rate with it, or produce it from my solar panels........ The whole purpose of e fuels will be to allow the i.c. vehicles still in use after 2030 to meet new emissions legislation. It won't "save" the i.c. engine, or keep it in production. Sorry, but there it is...
that was refreshing. I couldn't agree more, that we haven't necessarily found the solution to the future of automotive propulsion. I chose a hybrid vehicle because infrastructure is lagging so far behind. and I've been screaming for years about the millions of "legacy" cars/trucks/buses etc. that are already on the road. We can't called it green if the plan is to just junk the old cars.
Thanks, Rory - another informative, balanced and well-presented video. EV versus ICE has become something of a culture war, so it would be good if they could co-exist in the future, with everyday commuting done in EVs and a bit of weekend eFuelled fun in your elderly uncle's 911.
@@camcar1091 and then they will discover that it's becoming increasingly difficult to keep up with electric vehicles and have no choice but to convert, or drop out again
Interesting idea. Thanks for the video. Wonder what the emissions are from these. Would it just make an ICE carbon neutral or would it be carbon negative?
I don't give a Donald Duck about any of that. I just want to get from where I am to where I want to be. I don't care about soul, the heart of a lion or whatever. All I want is personal transport at minimum cost. If you want heart and sole go to a butcher and a fishmonger.
@@Brian-om2hh The difference is that we can CONTAIN nuclear waste safely as long as the people who run nuclear power plants know what they're doing qnd keep up on routine maintenance.
It won't be central in the future. It will simply mean that petrol cars, both older and newer, can continue to be used after 2030. It isn't going to *save* i.c. engines. It just means they may be able to comply with any legislation introduced after 2030. The i.c. engine is, for all intents and purposes, at the end of it's development. There will be few new cars with engines introduced to the market now... Environmental pressures will dictate the switch to e fuel over fossil fuels, as oil demand winds down and the oil industry slowly decreases it's output to meet the reduced demand. They'll struggle to produce enough e fuel for all who want or need it. The company has allegedly said it hopes to produce 500 million litres per year. The World currently uses in excess of that in one day...so there is unlikely to be a glut... And what normally happens when demand far exceeds supply? Deep pockets required.
@@stew-03 Way too expensive, Porsche only does it for their heritage vehicles and future 911s, everything else will get electric. Also this 550.000litres per year of Efuel is less than Britain needs in one single day.
@@Brian-om2hh a ton of oil companies are going to begin producing synthetic fuel. As more and more refineries come on line the price will decrease to something similar to what gas is now as outlined by Bosch and the efuels alliance. Also this isn’t the end of ICE development. Porsche mostly became interested in synthetic fuels to yes save classic cars but to also keep the 911 with the in-line six in production. Mclaren is literally building a prototype that runs on the fuel for possible future models. Formula 1 is to switch to synthetic fuels meaning that this technology will trickle down into normal road cars as has technology has from F1 historically. Also with Kelly blue book reporting 1 in 5 EV owners in California plan to switch back to gas I wouldn’t discount the ICE so fast. Getting pretty tired of these Pig headed, close minded, supposedly know it all EV fan boys.
Petrol will always be available classic cars etc however it may be the preserve of the rich these battery cars still have a long long way to go no charector to them and way too heavy
The thing is Steve, the present electric car market is basically 10 years old. Back in the very early days of the petrol car, there were no petrol stations. You bought petrol in tins from a pharmacy. At the moment with electric cars, we're just moving away from the pharmacy so to speak. The next 10 years will bring massive strides in battery technology, with huge increases in range, plus big reductions in charge times, and battery pack sizes and weights. This is really just the start.. 120 years ago, thousands of horse breeders, and the guys who made carts for those horses to pull also got up tight about the change that was inevitable. But we do sometimes need to move on. We didn't leave the Stone Age because of a shortage of stones..
@@Brian-om2hh Hi Brian I'm in agreement but I do think the ordinary working folk will not change an time soon lot's of people I know struggle to spend 3k-5k on a car they are just not able to afford change they don't earn enough as there on about 16k- 20k a year so don't qualify for benefits, it would be wrong that decent working folk could not have freedom's brought about by their fossil fuel cars ev's need to dramatically reduce in price maybe that will come over time
@@stevewalsh-balshaw1727 It was the same 70 or 80 years ago. The normal working man didn't have a car because he couldn't afford one. But times change, along with people's expectations and standards of living. Thankfully these days, many are fortunate enough to own a car..... This will be gradual change, over something like 15 years or more.... we'll all have time to get used to it and adjust, because get used to it we must.
@@Brian-om2hh I know there have been a lot of improvements to EVs and battery technology in the last 10 years. But EVs have been around for about as long as ICE cars. Even if EVs become the norm, maybe in the future ICE cars could become the standard again because they will be better at a certain aspect that becomes more important over time such as sustained high speeds.
Do you think synthetic fuels will save ICE cars? ⬇️
Probably not, as it will be expensive. Existing ICE cars will best be used as boat moorings as their values will plummet through the basement floors. This because of taxation of their use, taxation on fuels, and legislation restricting their use in places like inner cities. Electrification of classics will become a big thing, like EV West are doing in California.
Just last year sold off my daily driver petrol car, a 964 Turbo and a manual Carrera T amidst covid pandemic for great prices. Replaced all three cars with a flipping awesome Taycan🥇 Couldn’t be happier!
very good
Hey they already are prolonging mineral oils. Synthetic fuel like ethanol is already mixed with gasoline as they have high octane. Also these days syngas (mainly Carbon monoxide) from emissions of process plants is converted to ethanol with relative feasibility.
No...driverless cars are closer than you think...therefore no one will ever need to own a car
Yes it will (and it can already be mass produced for a cost of 4€/litre that will decrease massively over the years). Rather expensive but in a nicer way than EV's. ICE cars through syntetic fuel, will destroy Co2 where EV's are mere carbon neutral vehicles.
Imagine environmentally friendly Hellcat
Heavencat
Easy. Just fuel it up with ethanol. US has loads of corn for that.
Running on alcohol
Hoonshine.
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Thanks for doing my research so I can be lazy
You're very welcome. 😀
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@@AutoTraderTV 😂🤙
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whoever figures out to mass produce it will be the richest person in history
hyperbole
carbonengineering, bosch and audi with the g tron i think it was called. But with the audi it was synthetic gas and not petrol still awesome
@@Kryojenix Ah yes, the ceiling here is made out of ceiling.
Exactly. It will be like alchemy for oil.
Hope it's me lol
Finally, someone is talking about synthetic fuels.
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The cost of this fuel could be around $10 a gallon.
so when they say weekend fun they really do just mean limited to the weekend.
but yes it's an idea that might help things. (Particularly for the rich)
@@matthewboyd8689 ur numbers are so wrong omfg y’all just say whatever the fuck y’all want the price is 3.60 now and it will drop to 1.20
@@matthewboyd8689 wrong. They said £1.50 per litre in 10 years
@@matthewboyd8689 lol it’s already at 2.30 franks here in Switzerland at a research station
Synthetic fuels will also benefit the aviation industry
Yes. True. I think we need it for the time being while scientists figure out how to make hydrogen cells better for planes and ships
Facts and industries too but airplanes that to will become electric
I think hydrogen will be the solution for airplanes, after all it's energy/weight ratio is incredible
Bio Fuel
@@shimeih2287 I think hydrogen will only be used for short-haul routes in the near future.
Definitely for classic cars it's a must! I'm backing synthetic fuels for classic cars in future!
All cars, I don't want EV!
@@jansa940
Why don't you want EV but want hydrogen vehicles? Hydrogen cars are cumbersome to deal with, expensive, and not fun at all to drive. The infrastructure required for them alone is far too complicated to ever replace EV..
That's basically it's market I think....
@@a.banana Plus a hydrogen powered car is an electric car anyway. Maybe he hasn't realised that?
@@Brian-om2hh
Exactly why it's so confusing.. lol.
I want someone to invent an engine that literally runs on ice, just to confuse people.
‘yeah, i got a 4.0 litre ice mate.’
I think he means ice i.c.e as in internal combustion engine
Lol, like meth?
@@BrasileiroBritanico1 u can use the energy from the ice melting
So it can work
You can actually heat up a home by using ice
So... A Stirling engine. In theory, you could scale up one of those little Stirling engines that spin using the temperature difference between a hand and the ambient air (they can also spin from the temperature difference between ambient air and ice). You would need a CVT or a hybrid transmission to use them though, because Stirling engines can't change rpm quickly like I.C.E. engines, but it *is* possible to move a vehicle using ice energy.
E-fuel isn't technically all that difficult - it's about making the end product fuel affordable to those without endless pockets, ie. 99% of petrolheads!
Exactly no doubts synthetic fuels would get cheaper no time alot of people saying no however hope synthetic fuel is a success
I mean biden also said hes using carbon capture tech as well so mostly petrol cars are saved
@@christopherayala4619 wait what do you mean by that? I thought biden was about as anti-ice as you could get?
@@ps1746 he mostly likely was talking about banning fossil fueled cars not on cleaner fuels such as bio fuels, e fuels.
@@christopherayala4619 my money for future fuels would be synthetic. Biofuels have been in development for years and it's still not completely available yet, while synthetic already just did a whole flight on a plane yesterday. Food prices also might go up due to biofuels but who knows they could fix that.
What an inspiring piece of content. My respect for Porsche is through the roof. I hope there will be a continuous segment to continue building combustion engines in collaboration with the synthetic fuel industry.
I don't think the overall thinking behind this is so that i.c. engine manufacture continues. It's more about allowing those whom will have an i.c. engined car to continue using it well past 2030, because once the ban on the sale of new i.c. is here it surely won't be too long before legislation begins. And e fuel will be about meeting those legislative requirements. The automotive manufacturing sector seems to have accepted/realized that i.c. production is nearing it's final sunset.
@@Brian-om2hh yea makes sense. It’s also quite likely that there will be a market for converting IC vehicles into EV ones. This is currently being done to old Jaguar E-types. This could also be done for a great many other nostalgic vehicles, if the demand is there.
@@aarontaylor1040 There are a handful of small outfits offering conversions for various vehicles now... I've seen various conversions, such as an Inspector Morse type Jaguar, fully electric with all mod cons. Air con, heated seats and windscreen, electric windows, led headlights etc....Beautiful job. A snip at £69k........ Sold in no time....
I think they are desperate.. I mean electric car less go to repair shop & maintenance while luxury european super cars take a profit from those service maintenance & ownership... and they are not a volume cars too
@@aarontaylor1040 Oh god, that hurts my soul... I really hope this doesn't become a trend, because when you convert a classic to an EV it really isn't the same IMO.
I hope synthetic fuels work out, fingers crossed 🤞
nah man evs are the future
@@mihnea9759 Why not both? Electric powertrains for the "average" person and eFuels for us enthusiasts.
@@electric7487 lmao I'm a car guy and I like combustion engines but synthetic fuel will probably fail
@@mihnea9759 We'll just have to wait and see, but there's still hope.
EVs are just gonna take over.
But if synthetic fuel is a thing then that's great. Too bad I'm too young and already combustion engine cars are dying
65 million years later and Dinosaurs are still cool. Just sayin.
True
Fuel comes from plants. Dinosaurs were not involved
Technically still is, chicken still outnumbered us
Epic comment
@@huepix facts... but most don't look deeper into things which is why they keep using the term "fossil fuel"
I really hope that they can save ICE cars because i wanna have the chance of driving cars with the following engines when i grow up: V8, V10, V12, I6 and rotary
Rotary is a bit of a stretch mate that’s prob never happening again
Rotary is very hard to maintain and by 2030 rotary is prob as dead as dead gets
I mean, there are rumors of Mazda’s fabled RX lineup making a return with the proper rotary, but I wouldn’t bet on there being another rotary powered car any time soon. There is hope, however, as a new patent filing suggests Mazda will create an RX-9, and the rotary has made a small return as well in the MX-30 as a range extender (and said rotary has been modernized 2 meet emissions standards and shit)
@@mathias_764 mazda is developing a new rotary engine car.........
@@enderzebak2863 I was talking about the one in the rx7/8
It would be best if both electric power and synthetic fuel exist. The best of both worlds.
I agree
We are thinking just about cars but what about aviation, water ways the can't go electric.
@@RUPESH_GOSAVI_1 that's the main point
The best news I've heard all DECADE!
"I must drive my V8 as hard as possible, it's for the environment!"
@_. 2 stroke bois has joined the chat
Me: Don't
Autotrader: Don't what?
Me: Don't give me hope
Well, this hope is not misplaced my friend
If they get synthetic fuel imagine the cars of the future. Giant engines and futuristic technologies
Like 4L Mini with 600hp
Cyberpunk 2077 would be true since the cars in that year still have combustion engines
Combustion engines are stonage tech. We are using electric motors wherever it's possible because it's cheaper and easier.
@Ali MovayedKazemi technology has always existed since we started using tools
@@jojodroid31 they're not stone age what
I really hope more manufacturers invest in companies that are developing efuel
It's unlikely, because it's a dead end.
@@Brian-om2hh how so? Not even close to being dead end.
@@axnn1 Euro 7, which is due to appear in 2025, will effectively kill off any further development in ICE. Once ICE production ceases, which it definately will, the number of ICE cars begins to reduce. As they get older, they wear out, break down, and some will become uneconomic to repair. Like I said, a dead end. If you're hoping they will just go on and on making them, you are like the polar bear on a melting iceberg. Audi for example, have stated they will be producing their final ICE cars for the European market in 2026.......
@@Brian-om2hh no are all true, efuel only emit 10% of CO2 vs Fossil fuel in average. No need convertions, no need adapters kit, no need new car, only need cheap price of purchase, for reseach the price, only need scale economy. In a engineer point of view, have enormous advantajes in develop of New generations of ICEs, example, it's more cheap desing a 2 valve-per-cilinder, natural aspired, High liters engines, like a 2.4L I4, 3.4/3.6L V6 or 4.5 V8 natural aspired, cheap desing, no-turbos, less moving parts, and simple mechanic, making cheap Cars with enormous advantajes in range and re-fueling times, Very competitive vs Electric cars, the e-fuel is easy to "extract" in countries with Sea, no need mining nothing(vs Battery), only need make a clean energy grid for considering green
@@vicentea.3692 Like I said, ICE is now a dead end. They are going out of production, beginning in the next few years. And, in just a few years, more and more towns and cities will introduce clean air zones, with no ICE engines allowed.
god i pray for efeuls, you can have an electric everyday car and have, lets say my golf in my pfp as a more fun, legacy option.
That golf tho😍
Lmao golf as a fun care
I like the sound of EFuels
That's exactly what will happen
That would be cool but once I felt the speed of the taycan turbo I realized ice is dead. Nothing compares to instant torque, they can basically mow down anything. Just a matter of time and economies of scale.
bbc must be pissed i cant lie first they lose the legendary trio and now rory
They still have one of the best car journalist - Chris Harris.
Nothing, and I mean nothing, is legendary about Clarkson, Hammond and May.
@@davonpointer2310 yep
@@davonpointer2310 How so those 3 were the face of top gear and no one has even gotten close to these
@@ravirajyaguru5905 um what you on about. You mad.
I like this idea. I need a few more years of driving my 1971 Chevelle.
Drive it regardless if they like it or not. Fuck them!
@@brandonlewis5045 oh I intend to keep driving it as long as I am on the topside of the dirt and I can find gas for it. I'm putting a new engine in it this week.
@@larryh7760 that's awesome. What size?
@@brandonlewis5045 mild small block. It's a 383 stroker with 455 hp and 470 torque. That's plenty of power for an old man.
@@larryh7760 oh yeah that's good power numbers plus it's got the amazing sound
Well friends, its been one hell of a ride as a car enthusiast. A shame I’ll never get to really be a part of the community but I loved every second. Thanks for the memories guys✌️
same here :,)
Same. I feel you
I am 16 and I haven't entered the community yet, The time I will enter, They will be on the line of extinction.
So I want this e-fuel as soon as possible or else there will be no meaning to work . I mean just imagine, you are a millionaire or a billionaire but u cannot roar with your expensive cars . 😭😭😭😭
@@PriyanshuPatel19 I feel you my friend
Same feeling, therefore, like said enjoy it every tank now you can! Im a enthousiast of old Volvo's en bought an Porsche 944 for the weekends. Now is the time to enjoy so you can look back in 2040 and think, glad we could have enjoyed it. The memories will never fade!
I need this, I just can’t let go of the combustion engines.
Me neither its not right for us enthusiasts and lot of skill based jobs.
Oh yeah i forgot the amount of jobs centred around combustion engines
@@lagdroid0017 It was exactly the same with horses around 110 years ago. Times change. Learn to adapt.
@@Brian-om2hh but no one banned nor plans to ban making new horses and carriages
@@Brian-om2hh horses are fully legal to be used as recreation. Like you aren't going to ride a horse carriage on Autobahn but you can buy them
Ev's in a decade may be the norm when it comes it daily drivers and that is fine by me but an ev, for me at least, will never be a true sport car. They don't have the sound, the gear changes, the drama, the sense of occasion, they are just extremely fast. I hope there is a way we can still drive ice cars in the future and synthetic fuel gives us hope.
That's what they said about the electric guitar. No soul, just a gimmick...
Perhaps someone can make an electric car motor with a power band the width of your "supersnake". So that you have to continually wrestle with a gear shift lever just to keep it moving. Will that be romantic enough for you?
@mo gamer it's just what you're used to, that's all. Having a gearstick gives you something to do and makes you feel important. But it's makework - it's only necessary because of the limitations of the engine.
Good luck finding an ICE sports car that has such a low centre of gravity. Or that can get to 60mph in under 3 seconds. Or pick any other speed benchmark you want.
"Those new fangled automobiles just don't do it for me. There's nothing like the feel of a whip in your hand and the stink of sweaty horses. Now that's driving."
Its not fine by me, I hope it fails and blows over. Its annoying to hear about ev junk. Big motor v8s and diesels fuck the bullshit politics, let people live my god!
@@brandonlewis5045 go on then and turn yourself into oil, dinosaur.
There's still hope.
God i hope so!!! It's like 2030 is the end of the world for us true petrolheads..
I hope synthetic fuels will save ICEs and make them futureproof. Government should invest in synthetic fuels rather than banning ICEs in various countries
@@aneeshkashyap2853 zacly bro 👊👍
Actually guys no! There is no hope unless we do something about it!
EV is political decision! And stupid politicians lead by criminal "environmentalist" kill ICE.
Cant confirm it but I've heard that group of scientist suggest to the German government to add the synthetic fuels to the group of clean energy sources and give subsidies for the development of more efficient ways... and the corrupted politicians said they have the batteries - so it is all political shit!
If governments stop pouring tax money on incentives for EV the sales of those shit are gone!
@@BenzinioB I bet Elon Musk got all those politicians in his pocket,it wouldn't be hard for the world's richest man to do that,offering money for politicians to ban gas cars would be a win situation for all of them,EVs are nothing but government manipulation.
Synthetic fuel would be a massive game changer. It would keep the second hand car market going, classic cars can be enjoyed and no guilt for driving to the shop down the road.
Theres no guilt anyway.
@@mrwhips3623 facts
That one guy in his 65+ mpg kei car
If synthetic fuel was available at the pump today and was say 50¢ more per gallon I'd definitely switch to and buy it!
Its actually the most logical step for automobiles.
But there are already articles in the mainstream trying to discredit e-fuels or zero carbon fuel alternatives.
A japanese automaker i forgot which one is already testing water based ICE, theres a video out.
I have hope for synthetic fuels..... I also own an RX7 so the chance to run that green would be amazing! One less stereotype to worry about haha.
Nothing wrong with hope. For over 25 years, I've been hoping I win the lottery. I'm still waiting....
@@Brian-om2hh A hope without a strategy is just gambling. That's why you'll never win.
Let’s hope synthetic fuels don’t destroy engines... That’s a worry of mine. Old engines aren’t made for it, who knows what could happen?
The Man Guy well you’ll obviously need to convert the car to be able to run it, sorta like you need to do a flexfuel conversion to run e85
@@jsz2619 always a strategy. Fuel lines and all associated ancillaries that need to be will be replaced to deal with the fuel. And mapping the engine to run it of course. I'm just saying I'm hoping that these fuels become a viable option for us all running on fossil fuels so we can keep them running, without having to convert to electric. As some of us enjoy the visceral feel and sounds that come with an ICE.
I have 2 gas guzzling V8s and I'd be all for synthetic fuels. This gives me hope for a better future!
Come to Thailand, we wont have EVs for a while.
Hi, I'm your neighbour from down below, have you heard about car companies investing into Indonesia to build EVs? Indonesia have a lot of natural resources that could benefit our region. Tesla is also in on the idea, they might build another Gigafactory.
@@0163844098 yes, you guys have a huge nikkel supply. However, Thailand is stuck in political turmoil and not invested in a EV future yet.
Teslas’ and European cars are heavily TAXed. The affordable choices are diesel and eco(petrol) cars.
@@impianotespaul I have a bigger problem. Both of our car companies refuses to join the EV push, because they said it would be "Too expensive for the average consumer" or "We don't have the tech for it". Thus, politicians are taxing EVs more than supercars to prevent them from being brought into the country.
Thailand cars are extremely expensive even a 5.0 mustang in thailand is insane
@@impianotespaul Or transplanted EV factories, possibly from the west or possibly from China.
why is ksi's dad talking about fuel
⚰️
What is ksi?
@@Bossix84 ksi is a youtuber
😭😭
Bruh
Petrolheads : "Finally they could keep the ice engine that produce beautiful sound"
Noise emission : "Guten morgen"
I don’t see why they hate noise. It’s beautiful!
@@tomhill2497 maybe cuz they annoyed and hurting their hearings by the loud noise the car makes
@@muhammadnurakbar4188 PATHETIC
The noise won't speak out words like Guten Morgen (good morning in German). It will still make a typical ICE vehicle sound even if they run on synthetic fuels
@@aneeshkashyap2853 of course not, what u mean, I'm just joking
I love watching these vids mate!
I am very happy to see the progress porsche is making. On a side note, they recently announced that when their formula is finalised, they will share it with formula 1, as well as the consumer market so this is epic
Future of the automotive industry imagine how boring it would be if every manufacturer made electric cars 🤦🏽♂️
Well this will be so in the near future.
It would be even more boring to carry on making cars with engines if there was no fuel to power them.... You have obviously never driven an electric car......
@@Brian-om2hh
There can be alternative fuels still used too enjoy them. Yes i have driven plenty of ev’s so what if there quick of the mark there is no feel in the car no rpm feel, no gear change nothing.
Your obviously not much of a car person to understand this
@@btk7520 So why did you go to the trouble of driving "plenty" of EV's if they are of no interest to you? It seems a strange thing to do.
Well, despite what at you say, we're going to find out......
It's too expensive , but...
I'm all for anything if it isn't electricity
Planet killer idiot
@@vincevanderperre8660 Ecomentalist 🐑
EV for the daily and gasser for the fun
@@roodick85 Agreed, but I’d rather drive a hybrid than an EV, then at least I get to hear an engine.
@@Codatronic In a daily I would rather have it make no sound, like a Rolls or Bentley
Great summary. We also need efuel option for those of us wedded to ordinary cars. This will bring volume sales that will make the supply side viable
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. e fuels will simply make the use of most cars viable for 15 to 20 years after 2030. It isn't going to be a *forever* thing. Eventually, most i.c. cars will go the way i.c. cars always have, and these new fuels are there as a stop gap to meet any new legislation introduced after 2030....
People were wedded to horses once..... The supply side of efuels will never meet demand. They say they may be able to produce 500 million litres per year. The World consumes in excess of that in a single day...... And there's little chance of someone stumping up big bucks to fund a further 400 efuel plants just to keep old technology running for old time's sake. Old time's sake doesn't make profits....
Man I just started making money and got my V8 six years ago. I've never had a V12. I'm not ready to give up on my dreams. As an electrical engineer, I still prefer combustion.
I never want to buy an EV I sure hope something like this works out
Same
That is what I thought. Than the area where I live went "zero emission zone" and now I drive a Tesla.
You know what? Not bad...
@@bikesmith the rumble and pops and bangs my car makes is too important to me i dont think ill ever give that up!
@@nbaumg What use are the rumble and pops if you get smoked by electric cars?
you see, I love cars and I love driving. I want cars to be better, faster, more reliable. Who cares about rumbles and pops if you're doing the quarter mile under 10 seconds??? Or not having to do oil changes, or filters, valves, tune ups...
The "rumbles and pops" is the equivalent to kids putting a card on the bicycle's spokes. Makes noise, does nothing for performance! But, hey, kids...
Oil changes aren't really a big deal. Electric cars can still need tires, struts, steering components, Coolant leaks repaired. For many people electric cars are not very practical. For myself and most people in the city I live in i Park on the street, so I have nowhere to charge.
A mixture of EV’s and synthetic fuel hybrid sports cars would be the perfect future
Yep. That's a great idea! Hybrid sports cars running on 100 percent synthetic fuels
And should be possible to make engine oil, transmission fluid, differential fluid by 100 percent synthetic fuels
Hybrid V8s would be nice
@@stew-03 agreed
Yes, hybrid seems like the best of both worlds. All the enjoyment of an ICE but the motor gives you instant torque and recharges your batteries when you're going downhill or stopping.
I want a efuel powered high revving NA V12 F1 car @ 20k rpms! Smooth linear 950bhp and lightness guaranteed!!! Also don't forget the awesome soundtrack!!
This sounds promising actually 🤔
Honestly, if a synthetic fuel plant could also benefit Chileans (as in making fuel cheaper), I don't think it be such a hard sell to Chileans.
well, just pray that comunists doesn´t take over Chile again, they are against foreign investments.
It makes me so damn sad thinking of not being able to drive cars with engines.
The production of efuel could be a great way of controlling the grids surplus energy produced by renewables.
Either way, definitely a great thing 💪🏼
Not only ICE cars, also synthetic fuel is possibly the way to make aero engines greener. Also do you think that classic ICE cars will be like steam trains, ie probably taken to tracks or along specific routes where they can be filled up with synthetic fuel as not many garages will be around to sell it?
I hope this saves ice cars as I am only 16, and i want to be able to drive cars with v8's or v10's one day
Another Covid lockdown day, while realizing my STI with his limited stomach and good appetite may not reach the nearest petrol station in 10 years, just made me feel a bit sadder.
Anyway, thanks for the glimpse of hope that Rory brought!
Cheers, fellow dinosaurs.
Long live combustion engine
if we take carbon reduction seriously, then aviation should get efuels first,
while this will leave nothing for combustion cars.
it’s absolutely right decision that most manufacturer are in ongoing process to switch to BEVs .
Just to give you a feeling about the situation, efuel needs a loooot of electric power, while currently the worldwide electric power is not sufficient to produce enough efuel for the whole aviation.
and we are only talking about aviation: long distance trucks, ships, trains and many other areas need the efuel a lot more than the cars where the BEV we already have is a good alternative for many use cases.
While I also believe and hope we'll have in future some (expensive) efuel to keep Oldtimers alive, I also have to express my disappointment about the headline which gives the impression to many people that efuel could generally save the petrol cars.
It will be hard enough to reduce CO2 in the next years, so we have to stop petrol car production asap and avoid wrong perceptions which would just make it harder for many to switch to BEV or FCEV
Im begging for people to recognise that technology since 2015. look at carbon engineering, amazing firm, or Bosch, they pioneered it too! The future should be a healthy mix between ICE with synthetic fuel and electric vehicles
Well well mazda uk is on board on this fuel now hopefully other car manufacturers start following too
ruclips.net/video/up_Hw8kBpq0/видео.html
You'll also notice Mazda are beginning to sell electric cars. This efuel isn't intended to "save" i.c. engines. It's intended to help them meet any new legislation introduced after 2030. And even then, not all of them will...
@@Brian-om2hh no they'll still produce ice engines with this fuel they said it them selfs
@@christopherayala4619 They won't be producing any i.c. engines after 2030. At least not for sale in the UK.
@@Brian-om2hh You think that many of these bans are set in stone. Just imagine all the resistance from enthusiasts and infrastructure problems those countries will be facing.
To people who are interested in synthetic fuels: check out the way the Canadian company “Carbon engineering” plans to make e-fuel from carbon dioxide in the air, basically using artificial photosynthesis to make synthetic hydrocarbon based fuel.
Once that is possible to power by renewables, and is possible to scale up, it think we have good sustainable solutions to all petrolheads around the world!
Here's another idea: Ethanol and Biodiesel produced from Algae. It requires very little electricity to grow the algae and refining it into fuel is basically the same as oil.
Well, we already have synthetic oil. So synthetic fuel doesn’t seem to difficult.
And you already know how much synthetic oil costs........
Not really synthetic, they are derived from crude oil or natural gas!
Hydrogen fuel and syntetic fuel are the future
Absolutely as they use the existing infrastructure for refuelling 👍🏻🇬🇧
Hydrogen requires way too much energy to harvest. The process is extremely inefficient. And hydrogen still needs transporting after being harvested, so no reduction in pollution there. It's not easy to get hydrogen from wind or solar either. It can be done, but it's a complex process.. Hydrogen may have a future for powering trains, ships and maybe for some other uses though. In any case, a hydrogen powered car is an electric car anyway...
@@Brian-om2hh There are plans to build a hydrogen production plant within 1/4 mile of my house adjacent to where the electricity comes inland from the wind farms just off the coast where I live this is to make use of the electricity that is surplus to requirements at times of low demand, hydrogen produced here will be used to power local buses so no transportation required as they will fill up here also.
Hydrogen can be used in a conventional internal combustion engine as well as powering fuel cells.
@@AJ-qn6gd For buses it could work well enough, but for the normal motorist it can't at the moment because there are just 11 hydrogen filling points with public access in the whole UK.... A bus depot will have it's own tank, and they won't allow anyone else to use it... Another issue not often considered with hydrogen is handling. The pressures involved are sometimes as much as 5000psi, so care will be needed.....
@@AJ-qn6gd where do you living ?
Obligatory comment for the algorythm! More people need to see this, great video !
This is very interesting Rory, great video. Change is happening, in one form or another.
Great video, I have been telling anyone who will listen about the synth fuel plant in Chile for a few months now. Just bought a nice 5L V8 f-Pace. Long live the V8.
Oh, the V8 might last a lifetime. But the fuel you need to run it probably won't.........
Is this synthetic fuel for only rich car collector, will be fuel be affordable to a normal petrol head? Nice time to invest in synthetic fuel. Nice content!
Audi is finding out a way to make synthetic fuels affordable. I saw it on RUclips
It will get cheaper no doubt
Ah the Porsche and Siemens is going to ready for 2022, Haru Oni Plant in Chile producing only 130K litre at first then 2026 to 550 million litres of Synth-Fuel, wish them luck lad !
Government should invest in synthetic fuels. Hope these fuels will work on regular petrol and diesel vehicles and hope that they will save ICEs. All vehicle manufacturers should invest in synthetic fuels with the governments of all countries
Porsche is one of the vehicle manufacturers which is researching synthetic fuels
I'm from California so I really hope one day we can use synthetic fuels so I can finally legally run a aftermarket turbo on my car.
Get out of California.
I hope one day California's government change their mind to unban ICE vehicle but ban fossil fuel
@@aditya5474 Yeah the alternative fuel is expensive sadly and although e85 is better its low quantity and only a litter more eco friendly than fossil fuel.
@@MRpickleYandR yeah but not for the long time remember when old fossil fuel are expensive and now everyone can buy it so it will be the same as synthetic fuel did
So I can keep my classic 1956 Ford Country Sedan and it’s engine well into the next century if the e-fuel/synthetic fuel becomes common? I’d love to keep it at least well into the next few decades.
So hope synthetic fuels takes off to stop the rise of the evil milk floats! #petrolheadsforever 👊
Nah, mate. Much more expensive than using electricity.
@@placeholdername0000 yes, but on a high end supercar this wouldn't be as much of a problem (looking at the kind of persons who purchases them, they should be able to afford it)
@@placeholdername0000 what do you really think there will be no road tax on ev's forever? And plugging in is always going to be free and cheap?
@@robbiemarshall1481 I don't know about taxes, but excess renewables will mean that cheap electricity will be available a certain times, if a lot of solar is installed it will likely be around midday, but cheap wind power will probably also be available quite often.
@@placeholdername0000 government will increase electricity prices when most are changed to ev, they won't have the huge tax income from fuel anymore and will have to have a way of getting the same amount of money if not more, it is cheap for now but won't be for long, plus solar and wind aren't very reliable
Hang on - what happens to the CO2 used in the fuel when the it's burnt? Does it go back into the atmosphere?
Recycle, baby.
Its still net 0 he says
Yes
Keep in mind that synthetic fuels are carbon-neutral
@@aneeshkashyap2853 only if they are produced using a green energy or nuclear.
There is soooo much sunshine in Africa, come and take some Porsche, Siemens and Germany
There was an attempt with Desertec and it unfortunately failed.
your country is too dangerous, and too corrupt to risk building any meaningful infrastructure on
I vote for an orbital mirror that will divert sunlight away from Africa and onto an orbital solar array, then use a powerful microwave beam to transmit the power to a ground based receiver station on earth
even that is a safer investment than building expensive infrastructure in Africa
@@mwbgaming28 Now that's just cruel.
@@arthurmorgan3090 perhaps, but it's still a safer investment than installing the hardware planetside in Africa
@@mwbgaming28 Whatever you say, partner.
You should've watched Engineering Explained instead of googling it, just saying.
Who's to say Google didn't point me to EE? -RR
@@AutoTraderTV damn, no comment
@@AutoTraderTV apparently no one is saying they didn't point you to EE, RR - YY
Just today I watched a video about Britain applying for membership at the Trans-Pacific Partnership trading group. Importing fuel from Chile should be a child's play for you lads.
Forget it. They would need to import hundreds of times the amount produced to even begin to satisfy demand. In any case, it would only ever get used in older engines. No new petrol engines after 2030 remember..... Don't expect it to be cheap if you can get it either. Another type of synthetic petrol has been available in the UK for years, it's called Aspen. It has no smell, and doesn't go "off" like normal petrol sometimes does. It is mainly used by guys who work on trees, and by landscape gardeners in their strimmers, turf cutters etc. The downside? It's twice the price of unleaded petrol. It's available at the places that sell chainsaws etc....
@@Brian-om2hh That was an irony, mate.
Lol
@@nevarran They'll never be able to produce enough. They reckon 500 million litres per year. That's just enough to satisfy the World demand for one day... Unless somebody holds a raffle to decide who is driving on a certain day...
@@Brian-om2hh The 550 million litres is out of ONE PLANT. As more plants spring up, capacity will naturally increase. Try again, buddy.
These explained are my favourite videos. You should do one in the car market in Australia. No emissions regulations, very few hybrid / electric vehicles and a desire for bigger and bigger pick ups. Makes the UK look like another world!
god bless porsche. keeping the manual alive, and trying to keep the ice alive. They are the true car enthusiasts.. not the money hungry suits that most other auto manufacturers have become.
If a fuel burns clean and is created clen then It will of course safe internal combination engines.
Right most people saying no however if burns clean then it wont destroy environment
I live in an area where it frequently reaches -10°F in the winter. EV technology would have to come a long way for an EV to be able to operate in such conditions without major problems with range and battery degradation. I think governments are putting the plow before the horse by setting these hard deadlines and not considering the actual implentation. Hopefully synthetic fuel can get cheaper and more efficient to make and be a viable alternative for people who can't/don't want to use EV's or want to keep driving their classic non-EV cars beyond when they stop being produced.
Millions of EVs are doing fine in Norway with its loooong and harsh winters.
I love this fuel! How old is your kid?
I really pray to God, so that this Synthetic Fuel becomes a Massive Hit.... And so that it can keep those GAS V6 V8, V10, V12 and Diesel V6s alive. 🙏🙏🙏
Can we run the refinery on bumhole power ?
A student generated electricity from vibrations and sound
And axles deal with plenty of that
Sewage and sewage sludge can be pyrolysed into biocrude, and biocrude can be refined just like petroleum can.
Gentlemen, the severity of my anus joke I see has taken me to places I did not imagine. I thank you. My anus joke, it thanks you.
3:00 I legit thought a Raid Shadow Legends sponsor was coming
Hmm, sounds expensive as biofuels / synthetic fuels are at present. But if more companies push for it, supply and demand goes up, prices should go down. Personally, I’d love to see a greater push for this kind of effort, not just because I’m a car fan (I love EVs too), but because some people cannot live with the “limited range” and “slow charging of EVs” available now. But charge times are falling off a cliff with the latest EVs, charging infrastructure is steadily improving and how often do we need to do a 300-mile drive in one shot? So let’s hope these two forms of propulsion energy for vehicles can co-exist in an increasingly eco-conscious world in the next 5 years.
Biden said hes investing in carbon capture tech so we mostly likely see more companies starting to push this
Brilliant delivery and enjoyable video. Well put across and food for thought.
Porsche and Siemens are working on a factory in Chile and the results of e-fuels are a great idea and have had a positive result so far. Once they solve distribution and production it could be a real viable alternative to electric and hybrid cars. It's exciting times!
Facts bro I can see in the future were we have an drivetrain options
Wel Hybrid cars are benefitting this lol ...
It won't be a viable alternative, because the cost - when you can finally get it - will be an eye opener.... Plus I can't "fuel" my car up on my drive on cheap rate with it, or produce it from my solar panels........ The whole purpose of e fuels will be to allow the i.c. vehicles still in use after 2030 to meet new emissions legislation. It won't "save" the i.c. engine, or keep it in production. Sorry, but there it is...
@@muhammadnajmimurindo9289 hybrid cars are 15 year old tech. They are on their way out soon..
@@Brian-om2hh Electric car is far more older than ICE , hybrids too.
“Can use dirty fuel to make clean fuel. There’s no point in that”.
Bro why you got to do Toyota dirty like that?
that was refreshing. I couldn't agree more, that we haven't necessarily found the solution to the future of automotive propulsion. I chose a hybrid vehicle because infrastructure is lagging so far behind. and I've been screaming for years about the millions of "legacy" cars/trucks/buses etc. that are already on the road. We can't called it green if the plan is to just junk the old cars.
I like the sound of the V8 but I’m fully behind cars not make an emissions Electric,hydrogen and other ways to save the planet
Save the planet 😂😂🤣
Synthetic fuels will save the planet. Don't worry
Ah yes batteries grow from trees I forgot
Don't mind finnish company sisu and there hybrid turbo diesel
Electrics don't always save the planet. They can pollute by battery punctures
Thanks, Rory - another informative, balanced and well-presented video. EV versus ICE has become something of a culture war, so it would be good if they could co-exist in the future, with everyday commuting done in EVs and a bit of weekend eFuelled fun in your elderly uncle's 911.
Best video ever made! Thanks Rory :)
Imagine formula 1 bringing back V8’s on synthetic fuels
What about V10 😳
They'll just convert to electric, it's about who is faster, not who sounds as nice
They are converting to synthetic fuel later this decade. Look on their website. Porsche might actually rejoin F1 because of this.
@@fewik8567 simply just wrong
@@camcar1091 and then they will discover that it's becoming increasingly difficult to keep up with electric vehicles and have no choice but to convert, or drop out again
I hope this video reaches Legislation.
Interesting idea. Thanks for the video. Wonder what the emissions are from these. Would it just make an ICE carbon neutral or would it be carbon negative?
Petrolheads' question - will an EV have a heart and a soul? Will it have a roar of a lion? Will it be fun anymore to drive?
I don't give a Donald Duck about any of that. I just want to get from where I am to where I want to be. I don't care about soul, the heart of a lion or whatever. All I want is personal transport at minimum cost. If you want heart and sole go to a butcher and a fishmonger.
@@Brian-om2hh He said petrolheads not fuckwits
can't you solve the energy problem with nuclear power plants? they produce tons of electricity and germany already has plenty of them
But there is the issue of nuclear waste to contend with afterwards. Every method has a cost of some sort...
@@Brian-om2hh The difference is that we can CONTAIN nuclear waste safely as long as the people who run nuclear power plants know what they're doing qnd keep up on routine maintenance.
You are good man seriously, i totally enjoy your videos :)
It sounds like Fusion Energy. Always few decades away from being practical.
If synthetic fuel becomes our future than I'm like "Hey babe wanna smoke the road again" 😎😇
It won't be central in the future. It will simply mean that petrol cars, both older and newer, can continue to be used after 2030. It isn't going to *save* i.c. engines. It just means they may be able to comply with any legislation introduced after 2030. The i.c. engine is, for all intents and purposes, at the end of it's development. There will be few new cars with engines introduced to the market now... Environmental pressures will dictate the switch to e fuel over fossil fuels, as oil demand winds down and the oil industry slowly decreases it's output to meet the reduced demand. They'll struggle to produce enough e fuel for all who want or need it. The company has allegedly said it hopes to produce 500 million litres per year. The World currently uses in excess of that in one day...so there is unlikely to be a glut... And what normally happens when demand far exceeds supply? Deep pockets required.
@@Brian-om2hh if porsche kicks off with the efuel, more companies out their will probably start making some too. But we will see how it goes i guess
@@stew-03 Way too expensive, Porsche only does it for their heritage vehicles and future 911s, everything else will get electric. Also this 550.000litres per year of Efuel is less than Britain needs in one single day.
@@anybody2673 porsche plans to ramp up production of it for use across the world. It wont just be silent EVs in the future, the V8s will still be here
@@Brian-om2hh a ton of oil companies are going to begin producing synthetic fuel. As more and more refineries come on line the price will decrease to something similar to what gas is now as outlined by Bosch and the efuels alliance. Also this isn’t the end of ICE development. Porsche mostly became interested in synthetic fuels to yes save classic cars but to also keep the 911 with the in-line six in production. Mclaren is literally building a prototype that runs on the fuel for possible future models. Formula 1 is to switch to synthetic fuels meaning that this technology will trickle down into normal road cars as has technology has from F1 historically. Also with Kelly blue book reporting 1 in 5 EV owners in California plan to switch back to gas I wouldn’t discount the ICE so fast. Getting pretty tired of these Pig headed, close minded, supposedly know it all EV fan boys.
Wow.. this would all make us happy! This is the ultimate solution! Environmental friendly and fun!
Science Lessons as well !
Petrol will always be available classic cars etc however it may be the preserve of the rich these battery cars still have a long long way to go no charector to them and way too heavy
The thing is Steve, the present electric car market is basically 10 years old. Back in the very early days of the petrol car, there were no petrol stations. You bought petrol in tins from a pharmacy. At the moment with electric cars, we're just moving away from the pharmacy so to speak. The next 10 years will bring massive strides in battery technology, with huge increases in range, plus big reductions in charge times, and battery pack sizes and weights. This is really just the start.. 120 years ago, thousands of horse breeders, and the guys who made carts for those horses to pull also got up tight about the change that was inevitable. But we do sometimes need to move on. We didn't leave the Stone Age because of a shortage of stones..
@@Brian-om2hh Hi Brian I'm in agreement but I do think the ordinary working folk will not change an time soon lot's of people I know struggle to spend 3k-5k on a car they are just not able to afford change they don't earn enough as there on about 16k- 20k a year so don't qualify for benefits, it would be wrong that decent working folk could not have freedom's brought about by their fossil fuel cars ev's need to dramatically reduce in price maybe that will come over time
@@stevewalsh-balshaw1727 It was the same 70 or 80 years ago. The normal working man didn't have a car because he couldn't afford one. But times change, along with people's expectations and standards of living. Thankfully these days, many are fortunate enough to own a car..... This will be gradual change, over something like 15 years or more.... we'll all have time to get used to it and adjust, because get used to it we must.
@@Brian-om2hh yes agreed
@@Brian-om2hh I know there have been a lot of improvements to EVs and battery technology in the last 10 years. But EVs have been around for about as long as ICE cars. Even if EVs become the norm, maybe in the future ICE cars could become the standard again because they will be better at a certain aspect that becomes more important over time such as sustained high speeds.
Who said fuel was gonna be outlawed? Also why didn’t you touch on synthetic fuel tailpipe emissions?
I hope they bring back f1 V10s with this stuff...
I would luv to see me buying a OLD AGE fuel car when I am of age
Great informative and enjoyable content as alway. Keep them vids comin' Rory!
I think finding a synthetic fuel that can give the same benefits in terms of energy as petrol can be the real solution instead of batteries.