Both bikes used to be identical! How will they compare?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Do expensive bike parts make that much of a difference on our identical Polygon Siskiu D5's?
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Props to you for spending a ton of your own money on making an actually good high low series unlike another channel that just shilled their sponsors products and didnt do budget parts any justice
He prob made it back and then some from the videos
preach!!
@@tannerschroth1788I would hope so
This was a great series! No shame with that walk, stuff looked scary as hell. Now I need to figure out how to save up for carbon hoops for my Optic LOL.
Walk of sanity always beats bleeding to urgent care. I speak from experience.
why would you buy an optic 🤢
@@mctg9043 out of curiosity why? it's been a great bike.
@@dimimtb They're crap value. If you disregard the price then sure it might be a good bike but the prices for what you get are over the top. Especially for a 125mm travel bike.
Just when Chad was showing some humbleness, he shows a carbon frame as a cliffhanger. Awesome man! Just brilliant. I love Chad. I'm one myself!
@@sawyerbarnes7439 When you swear so much that autocorrect automatically corrects "shot" to "shit"
Really surprised the Z2 didn't work well for you, it's been fantastic for me.
Likewise, mine started feeling horrible about a year into use but was fixed with a full rebuild.
Wonder if his fork just needs a full rebuild
Yea same. I have z2 on my trail bike and they are great.
I was surprised Evans didn't come with foam rings because mine certainly did. No foam rings is the penny pinching thing suntour usually does.
Marzocchi is for the Freeride/extremely hard riding crowd, I would know, I’m one of them with a 170mm green spring Z1 on my hardtail. Stiffer and more durable overall.
@@konakid548 no he doesn’t. Each rider has a different preference when it comes to parts and components.
I'm surprised he's the only blogger/reviewer to dislike the Marzocchi and to actually push for the expensive = better mindset.
It was as if everything cheaper has been demonized and typecast.
Law of diminishing returns definitely kicked in on the high bike. Furthermore, the low bike did not have "cheap" parts......it had "less expensive," quality parts.
Pretty epic scenery, that must have been a awesome day. Really glad you had the save instead of a rocky fail. The ultra high end is too Gucci for the most part…but they do have a nice resale value, so it’s not a total money burn. Pretty fun series. Your videos are quality enough and you are good enough in front of the camera to make a little longer vids if you ever wanted to. Remember we are all here for content, so the more content the better. Regardless though, nice job. 👍🏻
This series was fun, even though I wish the videos were longer. I think you have more than earned a subscriber, so I’m in.
Funny how the "low" bike is actually a high bike haha
Great series! Really enjoyed watching these.
Hey Evan, what do you think of the polygon siskiu T7 and T8? Cheers
Awesome series and thanks so much for all the effort, very well put together. I would love to see a "Sweet Spot" series where you compare and test the major components across the price range and find the point where performance gains are largely unnoticeable for a typical rider.
Holy sh1t! Nowadays they call "low-level" bikes those that cost $ 3300. 🤯
I love how these videos are always the same, but kind of different.
This is exactly what I wanted the pink bike series to be! Thanks for the fantastic series!
Mabye the real high bike was the friends we made along the way
So true haha
suprised you guys switched to 29ers despite doing bmx as a kid so I supposed you would keep the 27.5s
Riding Hiline is hard enough already! Add switching Jerseys mid ride and you've got yourself a recipe for disaster! 😂
Oh yeah and swapping bikes that felt way different. I should've counted how many times I swapped jerseys
Love this, 10x better then Bikbike's version and funny that you got the Idea off of Donut Media, I watch their VIdeos too. You could maybe do another one of these, but this time it would be low vs mid. so similarly cheap parts compared to mid-range parts that are not so overkill. That would actually be quite helping for making buying decisions. When I looked at your final conclusion I kinda thought sth. in the middle would have been the best. I am ready to spend more than 400 Bucks on a Fork, but I dont need a grip two cartridge ocashima coating. What you could also do is used vs. new comparing new cheap parts to similarly priced higher end used parts. Here you could also include how to determine wether used parts are in good condition and worth buying. I hope this helps develop and grow your channel, because I absoluteley love your videos and I am looking forward to seeing more similar ones. (Sorry for my most-probably horrible spelling and grammar, I am a 15-year old german and spelling has never been my kinda thing)
Great English! My wife recommended do Low vs Mid vs High. I think she's trying to kill me 🤣 all those were great ideas! If you were in America Id give you a job!
Loved this series! Can’t wait for Season 2… 🤞😉
Big fan of the series! It actually helped guide me through my new bike purchase and I'm glad I went with the fox 34 fork. Keep up the awesome content!
Brilliant you've taken a hi low series to new highs. Please do more maybe Chad can pay?
So glad I got to be a part of this Evan, keep on shredding!🤙
The gear skipping could be because of the casette, thats usually the reason
Bad b-gap setup.
probably is because he doesn’t use the sram casette because he don’t have a compatible freehub i don’t know he change the casette after he changed the wheelset
Waiting the video to start
I think a simple person will not even notice the difference in these two bikes, as for me, both the first and second bikes are cool)
Thank you so much for all your wrok and videos. Keep them coming.👍😀
Really enjoyed this Evan. Top tier content from a channel with
I’m betting that that mystery bike is a yeti
I'd imagine just like everything else there's a limit to how much better a bike would be vs the price you pay for it. It's not like you're going from a pinto to a Lamborghini. 😂
Great series brother. Gas prices are insane right now. Bike parts are going to cost more than gold, but I hope quality of parts increase with price. 🤣
High five for a very well executed series 🖐 Hope it will continue to generate subscriber growth for quite some time!
Love that outro 😂
Damn, so much money on shitty bike, at least get boost frame
I think it would be really cool to see a build with lesser known/ used brands high end suntour, dvo, Maggura, micro shift, trp, etc. I really loved this series keep up the grind
That's a good idea I like that! Thanks Larry!
Actually that's a sick series "Off Brand series"
Every episode of this series has been informative as well as entertaining . The breathtaking scenic beauty was a wonderful finale . Thank you for the time and detailed care you put into it .
Great series, thanks for doing this. Id love to see a bit more analysis on the carbon rims, the time difference seems out of this world
so happy when this came out cant wait for next vid
I paid 200 bucks for my old Enduro bike
The editing on this video is pretty well done. It's been fun watching your saga grow! Nicely done!!
I 100% agree carbon wheel r worth it
Great series, I can imagine how much time and editing was done, keep doing your story of riding and progression
be honest. did you rip off the concept from donut media and their two nissan 350z's?
Yeah I credited them for the inspiration on every video
as far as im aware, shock fade actually causes the shock to give LESS support, you may be experiencing packing on the low bike, im sure you know what i mean. Super entertaining series!
How much do you think the cost of what you spend on a part plays with the mind in what costs are involved in the occasional fails? Like sometimes I have more of a fear of financial burden and replacing expensive parts...and sometimes it is easier to just "send it" on cheaper stuff that is less expensive... probably why some people think I think too much..but I know that while my sins are forgiven and I know my Redeemer Jesus lives....I also tend to go from paycheck to paycheck and don't wanna have to save up for a long time due to part breakage....
I loved this series and agree with finding a middle tier upgrade for my bikes.
That's a good viewpoint. I didn't really think of that, but the expensive cassette and tires would be most concerning. I've also almost gouged my Kashima coating before too and that was stressful
Man, you deserve all the rewards for this great series, you put the Pinkbike series to shame - You even took out the "other rider" variable.
Massive ups to you Dude, well done.
This series was great, you’ve improved with every episode!
I'm kinda sad that the series has ended, loved it!
I think many people are happy to spend time and money upgrading their bikes and building up a light bike.
44sec KOM is insignificant and honestly shouldn’t be a trail segment unless it’s at least 1 mile or maybe 0.5 mile.
But people make insignificant 0.02mile segments and clutter up Strava with that crap.
Yoooooo loved the series my man! I think it could be cool to do a series where you compare different levels of parts from the same manufacturer. Like low tier shimano components vs. high tier or rockshox and so on! Keep up the good work!
I like that idea! I wanna do Kashima vs non Kashima!
That sounds like a banger!
One of my favorite youtube series EVER. Great job Evan! You should be very proud dude
I just bought a 2018 S Works Epic frame for 700 bucks. Needs a shock thru bolt, new water bottle rivets, and a new bottom bracket and probably a shock service, but I am looking at a 600 carbon enve wheelset, boost, DT 240 hubs, a 2020 Rockshox Sid Ultimate for 350, carbon enve bars for 120, and an X01 rear derailleur for 110, cassette for 124, and a shifter for 44. Used Pirelli scorpion tires at 35 each, with Sram G2 brakes. I've always wanted a Fox Factory dropper, and have found a deal on one for 190 without the lever, so I will get a Wolftooth light action lever. A Selle Italia Boost Super flow saddle is comfortable and helps soften the bumps on my anus, for 38 bucks. Raceface Next R carbon cranks and a Wheels Manufacturing bottom bracket for 180 and 45 each will round out the build.
That Sedona test ride was sick 🤙🏾💪🏾 that was a great finale 💯
So next time are you going to do a high vs low vs middle? Something tells me y'all might be triplets😉🤣.
Congrats on your series 👏👍
Oh man I had a tough time sticking to the Chad character the entire series. It's a lot to keep track of. Next stop is hire someone to make videos with
I just can’t fathom using a quick release frame for this project!
This yellow beauty came so fast ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L and even though shipping box was slightly damaged, bike was untouched. After unpacking it, assembly was pretty straightforward. Attached the steering bar (wheel), then front tire and pedals in less then 15 min. This is where it got tricky...brake pads were touching discs (rotors) at all times while rotating wheels so I had to spend good 40 min adjusting it. After everything was done I went on my first ride and goodness gracious, was I surprised. This mountain bike performed like a champ!!! I rode for 20 miles straight on some trails and the vineyard by my house. I am 160 lbs and there is nothing I would change on this bike besides front and rear tires. Also, if you are wondering, I am 6’00 feet tall and and I ordered 19inch frame - It feels absolutely perfect! The fact is you can’t buy better full suspension bike for the money 💰 it’s worth every penny in my opinion!
I bought a 2010 Rocky Mountain Element full suspension M size weighs 26.5lb bone stock 3x9 drive train, does the 29" wheels of newer bikes weigh this much? Thought more progress had been made. 🤯🤯. About to thrown on AdventX drivetrain next week + tubeless, can't weight!!! I mean wait. Should be less than 26lbs. 😁😁😁
Usually more expensive equals better, but there's a point where you get diminishing returns, the things that I've upgraded that made the biggest difference on my 2019 norco fluid fs1 were dt swiss wheels, and vittoria barzo tyres, that only cost $850 dollars, that got the weight down from about 15.5kg to 14.0kg, it came with a 35mm rockshox revelation with a motion control damper, the fork felt good except on fast braking bumps, but instead of upgrading to a charger damper I changed the damper oil from 5wt to 2.5wt, and now the fork feels great, I've also upgraded other things too, and now it weighs 13.87kg, but if you want best bang for buck wheels and tyres are your best bet, I wouldn't spend big money on suspension either, for example my 2017 trek slash 9.8 had a 160mm rockshox lyric with a charger damper, and the rockshox revelation with 2.5wt damper oil feels the same as the pike.
I am new to your channel, so forgive me the maybe outdated comment...but your cassette on the highbike is not sram original right? I rode one summer on a KCNC cassatte and noticed some kind of "clunky" shifting. I hesitated because of the price but paying the premium for an AXS system and trying save on its direct counterpart, believeing it should work like the double priced original is kinda naive.. the teeth desing pattern could be patented, for preventing copycats and the eagle system is engineered in Germany(but made in USA)..we germans tend to make things complicated and focus hard on maybe smallest details to reach perfection. How ever, XG-1299 is ordered in rainbow colours to match my turquoise/orange Rocky Moutain frame😁
Bruh who would spend 3000 dollars on a damn bike?? That’s crazy. Meanwhile you have an 11 t h o u s a n d d o l l a r b i k e. Who the hell has that kind of money for a BIKE.
Edit: I have more things to say
Literally the gearshift on the high bike cost 10x more than my whole bike that I have here. Actually all of the parts on the high bike cost so much more than my bike. Like where are you getting all this money from. Btw my bike cost about 150 dollars. My bike is just fine (I think) and it’s very cheap
Another edit: I didn’t watch the end of the video when typing this out, but thanks for saying that. I feel a bit better, but still
Your videos are getting better and better every time, keep up the great work
Hi Evan! Amazing content deserves a pat on the back! What do you think about your camera? Will you buy it again (I mean x2)? If you have a choice between x2, one rs twin edition and gopro10 which will you pick?
bikes over 5k are ridiculous and 100% not worth it unless someone (sponsor) is paying you to go fast. good mid tier stuff can be built up to be essentially top of the line performance at a fraction of the price and is almost always easier to own (lower maintenance). and to that end, a well maintained mid tier bike will outride a well ridden and neglected top of the line bike 100% of the time. It's the sweat equity that makes a bike fast, not the price. Pick good parts, keep everything clean, tight and properly lubed. Learning how to build wheels saves a massive amount of coin. favorite parts I own on my rig are my Garbaruk 10-46 cassette and my one-up 210mm dropper. Price to performance ratio is to the moon. keep unsprung weight as low as possible especially in back dramatically helps handling performance. Hollow pin /slotted chains save alot of weight. Steel parts on a bike are where the weight is. Carbon parts are WAY over rated, focus on removing steel. peace
I have tried those suspension handlebars, a friend got some for like $500 canadian.
I don't think they are worth that plus it wasn't playing well with the shattery sections & the manitou fork. Like if both cancelled each other...
“Mountain biking isn’t just about strava KOM’s…. Even though I have one.” 🤣😂🤣😂 least, humble brag ever. High bike chad is a great character
Get over how much MTB are now days my son was like hey can we get this MTB I looked at but it was 2500$ I was speechless might as well get a dirt bike or electric MTB the parts cost more then parts for dirt bike I would love MTB more but damn I feel like a horrible dad cause I can't afford to get one what happened to diamondbike recoil it was 600 now ita gone
Is $3,000 really considered "inexpensive"? Is this a joke? I'm glad your viewers dental practices are thriving.
im not gonna lie, its not the 11k spent on a bike that scares me, its that the totally "budget"/entry level bike with pretty bad components is still 3K+, nowadays the sweet spot bikes with 0 compromises lie in the 4-5k range. i understand why, but as a student I wish it was different
I don't know about the compatibility issues on the "cheap" drive train, seems to me more like lack of research of what would and would not fit. I have pretty similar SLX/XT setup and it has worked absolutely flawlessly for the last 1600ish km I had it.
i dont really understand why you would want to have a faster lap time. shouldnt you be savoring the trail?
Love the videos! I'm from North Phoenix, moon valley area. Your videos have inspired me to get out there and ride. One question though what gopro mount do you use? If you use one
If you spent that $3000 or whatever on a stock bike, how would it compare to what you built custom? Usually parts cost less as part of a full bike purchase.
What a great series. Sometimes the algorithm comes through and recommends something great and this was one of those times.
as for you saying the front end was so heavy at the creek gap, watching the video, in my opinion, it looked like you didnt preload the suspension enough. no hate meant, just from what i can see
this was a cool video, I just bought my wife the D7 and its cool to see what are some useful upgrades. The D7 seems very capable straight out of the box.
Ah crap. I'd hoped the "hacked" Z2 would be considered better. Seems a better budget vs baller should be a Fox 36 vs Z1...
This was a really cool series. Nice to see where it's worth spending big bucks vs, just mid tear parts.
Thanks for checking it out Peter!!
“Can a 3000 dollar bike do most trails” me: “well fuck I’d hope so I can buy a shitty car for that price” also me casually spends 5k on a bike and acts like it’s a good price for a bike
I really liked the spring suspension. But it was no more in last ep
Overall, it was a great series, but i think the inspiration from the high-low series by Donut Media is a little too much...
LMAO, absolutely love the Donut Hi-Lo format (music and all) being applied to mountain biking! Great series!
Surprised the Monarch ended up heating up even with the piggyback compared to the fox that doesn't even have one.
That Selle Italia has got me drooling lol. I've got one that's been through three going on four bikes and it literally looks like trash to others but I'm so in love with it my old ones shredded. I might just pop for one of those...
I can say I at least cleaned that Climb on Highline. I however also walked a lot after the chute lol
Amazing finale Evan. Your videos are really great to watch. Looking forward to more!
Thanks for the support John!
You should do a comparison between siskiu t7 vs your current spectral 125 al6
Way more better than Pinkbike's high and low series. Pinkbike writers and producers was shit for their series.
You should make an emtb series
Sounds great!
Really cool series, just can’t believe he managed to spend $10k on a bike with a rear QR axle.
You should redo the video with a mid tier bike with new parts, that aren't compromised, investing on parts that where a sucess on both the high end and low end, like mid tear bars, wheels, and so on
The one you ride is the one that wins. Unless you're a sponsored competitive professional Rider it's ridiculous to daily ride race parts.
The lesson here is focus more on your skills. Dont take your confidence from bike parts, take it from practice.
So you prefer the haze brakes because of slippery levers, which can easily be solved by gloves?
Many problems could be solved by using gloves but maybe you don't wanna wear gloves ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just sayin'
This is legit a Hi/Lo episode but instead of cars it’s mountains bikes and I love it!! 😂🤝
At some point can we have a hardtail with a $1500 budget for upgrades on the low bike?
Wow. I tried going to the VA for help with getting a full suspension mtb but no dice. Just too expensive
Next Video: Riding Sedona on a hardtail !!
I didn't realize that you could just swap in a 29 inch wheel on the rear triangle with out replacing it. crazy
For the chute, the issue was poor line choice as Evan was going straight, which meant going on the most technical line while the right had the easier line.
If you buy some new pins for the stamp 1s off ebay for about £3/$3 that are a bit longer they are a hell of a lot grippier than the metal stamps
Evan & Chad could both use a nice set of knee pads. They can get a little hot, but totally worth the burn.
You should check out the canyon stoyc 2. Is like $1000 and has some killer components
There is some Magic sauce in Polygon's Frame that defies it's humble roots.