When I was 15 yrs old, he came to my high school to watch his son play basketball. He smiled when I asked for his autograph and was very nice to me. I played football against his other son. Really nice guy. I picked up gold a year later and the first book I read was his. Cool guy.
I started out doing what most people do, and that was to shift the ball position forward or back in the stance depending on the club. I took a lesson from a guy that showed me this video, as well as a book written by Ben Hogan, where they both said that ball position should be off the front inside heel for ALL clubs. Ever since then, I have been hitting my hybrids, irons, and wedges solid. It definitely depends on the golfer, but clearly the "old school" approach is what works for me.
@Captsaison While that may be true, a lot of people forget a crucial factor with Nicklaus' method of playing the ball off the left heel for all shots. As the clubs got shorter, his stance got narrower. With a narrower stance, a ball played off the left heel is actually quite close to the center of one's stance--as it should be for the shorter clubs--promoting a downward strike on the ball. With longer clubs, his stance got gradually wider, which promoted a more sweeping attack into the ball.
Thanks for posting. Great to see it again. I would watch his tips videos when they were shown on broadcast television many years ago, on weekend afternoons, and learned alot from them all.
I've studied Jack for a long time.Read his teachers book recently(How I taught Jack Nicklaus by Jack Grout).This swing generates tremendous clubhead speed resulting in very impressive distances.My drives are always threatening 300 yards.This swing does require strong legs and hips and good flexibility.Power does NOT come from the hands.Jack calls the hands "lime light hoggers" and "swing ruiners". Power is generated from "the feet up" using the kinematic sequence to transfer power to the club.
That is really good to hear. The golf swing--like any physical movement--can be made as complicated as you want to, and there's a hell of a lot of money in it. But you look at all the greatest players, and how many of them had complicated methods? Tiger and Jack work on about four or five main fundamentals, and that's it. Snead, same thing. Even Hogan's book was way shorter than all the hugely detailed screeds that followed it.
Like many great teachers, Jack makes the explanation simple ... and that he uses the same swing essentially for all club lengths is I think one of the keys to his great consistency.
Interesting, fairly new to developing a swing, but with many, many years observing, I've noticed I tend to stance the same with a driver down to a 6i, but tend to center with pw and putter, and I do very well. Watching the " All time greats " Tiger included, tells me, the perfect golf swing, is developed by personal ability, style and preference.
head position is the most fascinating thing about the swing, for me. jack, like all golfers, except bobby jones, who was left eye dominant, has his right eye directly over the ball at impact. obviously the right eye is behind the ball address and the big question is how does the head move itself into a position where the right eye is directly over the ball at impact? and does the way we look up at the target have any bearing on the way we position our head? jack looks up with the left side of his head, then, when he looks back at the ball, he nudges the left side of his head forwards. and i wonder, can we can make that an all in one movement and push the left side of the head forwards as we look up at the target at address?
Totally Brilliant. Hogan famously said that you can't swing too flat (to Gary Player) and Nicklaus' swing here proves that you can't push the club back too far on the inside.
With all this talk about Tiger v. Jack, it should be noted that the principles behind their swings (at least with Tiger's best swings, the ones where his head isn't moving a foot downward at the outset of his downswing) are pretty much identical: wide, extended arc; straight left wrist in line with clubface and left forearm at the top; power from the ground up; firm left side at impact; wide extension past the ball; release a blend of hands, forearm rotation, and body rotation. Timeless.
If you look at 01:16 you can see that actually he did change the ball position (relevant to his left heel). With the 9 iron it's on the inside of his left heel, progressing to the driver when it's off his big toe. Despite his commentary.
Yes, swing consistency and contact are the keys, playing the ball forward means that the bottom of the swing arc, relative to the left shoulder will move to the same place everytime with a shallowed out downswing plane.
Also, he's really talking about the basic ball position being in approximately the same place relative to the front foot. Biomechanically it makes a lot of sense, because of the tendency of the bottom of the swing arc to locate itself consistently relative to about the inside of the lead armpit or so. Dropping the trailing foot back or bringing it forward adjusts the swing center, even when the ball is in the same position relative to the front foot.
Yep, moving the swing arc forward, i.e. the left shoulder moving froward, actually moves the ball back in the stance relative to "low point " or the bottom of the swing which explains why Jack and Mr. Hogan played a fade, or a cut most of the time, and both were deadly accurate with it.
Having said that, I think even Jack knows that with modern drivers in particular, playing it a fraction farther forward isn't such a bad idea, since a level or even slightly ascending blow is ideal. But his basic point is right, because it has to do with simplifying the setup and swing to promote consistency and solid contact.
He adjusts his right leg to the club he's hitting! His ball in same position for every shot! Because moving his RF closer for shorter clubs ball looks back in stance!
Woden of the Angles only his back prevented him from easily passing Jack, I don’t think it was the affair at all that got his career messed up, I hav a bad back n I tell u it’s not pleasant
@@slapshot68 That’s pure conjecture on your part. It’s like saying if Jack had only won a fourth of the majors he came second in he would have 25 majors. Tiger had his chance. Maybe if he hadn’t changed his swing and coaches multiple times his back would have held up, who knows. Like I said speculation and conjecture on your part.
@@slapshot68 tiger beat hacks and Jack beat legends and he still has three more majors and many more runner ups. Jack was straighter and just as long as Tiger with a heavier metal shaft and a small wooden golf head. Tiger with all the technology can not hit a driver straight and stopped winning majors when Dustin Phil and Koepka looked at his drives in the rear view mirror. He did win one more major though.
Great advice! To swing thru the ball the ball position must be up in the stance! Most play the ball back, this promotes hitting at it! Lee Trevino may be the only exception!
@@charleyreeb6590 I believe his natural shot is a fade too because of it, but he's strong and could hit it far with a fade. A lot of guys need to draw the ball to get long distance.
[sorry, hit "post" mistakenly] ...apart from the fiddling with plane and other tweaking, his basic fundamentals _are_ Jack's--the big shoulder turn and width of arm swing, the dead-square left wrist, unwinding from the ground up, nose pointed at the ball's original position until full extension on the follow-through. The one thing that's not in that mix is a super-steady head, and coincidentally that's one thing Tiger's been working on the past couple of years and has improved it a lot.
@Gyro911 Don't know how possible it is to tie it definitely to the swing action, but he did have a lot of trouble both with the hip and back (in his case, they were related). I think the guy he used to see for his back, Pete Egoscue, believed the swing had something to do with it.
I think one proof of old versus new was Tom Watson stunning play at this years British Open. As he said many players today doesn't have the range of shots (especially for links golf) that he has. If the old players would have had the equipment of today we would have had similar results. Comparing results over ages is mostly futile in my view. But there are of course exceptions like Tiger Woods, Jack Nicklaus at his best and Byron Nelsons 14 won tournaments etc.
I gotta think you're right about Jack and TW being the best clutch putters. Today, it's really the difference between Tiger and his nearest pursuers. His reads are so good, his speed is so consistent, and his technique is so free of quirks, it's just amazing. I can't remember what tourney it was last year that he missed literally NO putts of five feet or less. Unheard of.
@sretsam68 agree with what you're saying about the length of courses and equipment. however, players are a lot more fit nowadays. Tiger, Mcilroy, Villegas, casey
If you are a high hcp:er or don't have so much time to play golf, I believe that this video tip from Master JN is all right (perhaps put the ball a little bit back when the wind from front of you is hard). There are so many things that a golfer must think about moving the body right - so just put the ball where JN say here in this video. NB. With this ball position it is easy to get the ball in the air, high. (I'm not an expert).
you have the benefit of time & hindsight. the greatest players of this generation have yet to be realized in my opinion. that makes Tiger great because it doesn't matter who is really good. he is just 'that' much better. i'm pretty sure he is going to be the best ever, so people won't be wrong going with Tiger as the G.O.A.T.
In context, if you see the whole video, it's quite obvious he's talking about full shots. Still, it's clear he advocates not moving the ball all over the place for various shots. Fractionally up for a higher pitch, fractionally back for a knockdown (but mainly done with a lower-lofted club, not taking the same club, moving it back eight inches, and delofting the crap out of it). That sort of thing.
My last comment seemed rude. I apologize. I add - it may be basically the same swing. But the arc is much more narrow with the short irons than the driver or long irons. The length of the shaft and wider stance may handle this problem depending on each individuals strength-coordination factor. And turning the chin slightly to right placing the left eye on the ball opens up the pivot and turn, but you must make sure the short irons don't follow the driver' arc. Some may adapt to the arc with pr
@Gyro911 i was referring to the fact that you asked if he'd be as good or dominant today, well he'd have better equipment at his disposal so he'd obviously be better, his scores still hold up against todays golfers with all their modern clubs etc......so hence me asking if you were serious
well said about Hogan. there's the great 'what if?' in the history of golf. How many would Hogan have won if not for the accident? we'll never know. the thing about Nicklaus that stands out is his OVERALL record in Majors. 19 seconds - 73 top 10's. That's insane. Basically, he was a factor in every major championship he competed in. not only a factor, but gave himself a legit chance to win. that said, i can watch the slow motion section of the original Golf My Way for hours. Awesome!!
I guess the one comparison that can't be made about Tiger and Jack is longetivity. Jack was competiive well into his forties, was competitive on the senior tour. Jack faced down so many differant generations of great golfers and beat them all its just amazing. Tiger is the best there is today; I'm sure of that now after watching these other guys without tiger in the field, but I just don't know if his body and mind will be able to go the long haul, especially now.
(continued from last post) Some may adapt to the differences in the arc through practice and never notice the difference. Others may experience inconsistant shots because they are not aware of the arc's difference. The key is to be able to swing consistantly within different arcs. Again some people have natural talent and do this naturally - while others spend their wheels not knowing what the problem is.
@emncaity If he's 31 and watched Jack play in person, he saw him well past any prime - even prime playing years on the Champions Tour. Reminds me of Bob Tway's comments about having played with Jack and Tiger and giving the nod to Tiger. Well, he played with Tiger in Tiger's prime and most likely Jack when Jack was in his 40s. No perspective, there Bob.
@rw5791 John Daly,,Phil Mickelson,Davis Love III, VJ Sing,Angel Cabrera, all major champions ,Bubba Watson , a ton more on the champions tour and just about every world long drive champion. It's a signature move of many "classic swingers"..That style will never go away.It has stood the test of time.Only someone who knows nothing about the umpteen thousands of ways to swing a golf club would make the statement you made.Might I suggest "The Golfing Machine" by Homer Kelley.
Agreed. I read "The Match" recently and it only reinforces Hogan's toughness. Also, it will be interesting to see how Tiger handles heckling - it will happen. Seems like Nicklaus handled the heckling by Arnie's Army pretty well. If Tiger complained about cameras, just wait...IMO, Tiger should take the entire year off. However, he's in love with himself and attaining the record of majors...nothing more, nothing less.
the 1975 us pga nicklaus's caddy said to jack that he would come up short with the one iron he had chosen. roger maltbie said he will never forget the look on jack's face when he replied "we'll get it there today" "i never saw a shot like it-it was a skyscraper" not only the greatest long iron ever but he also won the tournament
One thing that Jack does differently is that he does not angle his left at address, or during the swing. If you draw a vertical from his left foot his leg is in line with it. That's how stays over the ball so well and is able to attack the ball the way he does.
There is a basic swing for each shot , a basic swing for each person . the problem is who finds the best way for less shots ? The best to put a good round together
Thanks for the Video clip! Apologies for the intrusion, I would love your opinion. Have you researched - Paneevelyn Swinging Clubsman (do a google search)? It is an awesome one of a kind guide for revealing an effortless golf swing technique without the headache. Ive heard some awesome things about it and my buddy finally got astronomical results with it.
Tiger Woods is second in total driving on the PGA Tour this season , the main reason he was in trees all day was because of injury , he kept saying when the knee was right he would be back on track and guess what he is , plus in Jacks day when you were hitting 230 and you were 3degrees off it meant you were on the right or left side of the fairway , if you are hitting it 320 and off by the same margin you will be in a different area code .
Aside from Ben Hogan, Jack had the best swing in golf history. The modern swing is a recipe for injury as the golfers age. Taking the lower body out of the swing is putting undue stress on the upper body.
@Charlie9046 So how's it coming? If you're learning, you could hardly do better than to find yourself a copy of the original Golf My Way, from which this video was taken.
You will also notice his rate of spite tilt in his set-up is also the same throughout all the clubs. He does as everyone should, eliminate as many variable elements as possible as he stands up to the ball.
@1019079 I dont think Id say lifting your heel is a bad thing either. My understanding is that keeping it planted creates more torque by keeping your hips quiet during your back swing.
I agree with it. I was playing golf for a few years now. I looked at Tiger swing and tried to copy it. ( And many others old and new) Never could hit the ball well until i copied Jack.
"Damage to [Hogan's] nerves"--yeah, the wreck, and all those years of competition combined with his grinding nature. But according to people like Snead, you're absolutely right about Hogan's putting; the guy who later said putting ought to be all but eliminated from the game was at one time one of the best putters, esp. one of the best short putters, of all the pros.
On his good weeks, Tiger is unbelievable around the greens. What almost nobody realizes is that THAT is the part of his physical game that separates him from the field, not his full-swing game. His short putting is off the charts on some weeks.
that is my case exactly...like Tom Watson said with the right equipment you can compete with anyone. everybody has some jacked up equipment & still Tiger crushes people. he is just really really good.
Both Grout and Nicklaus believed that, for instance, if you wanted to hit it 180 into the wind, it was better to choke down a little on a 3-iron and hit it with a little more compact action, adjusting the ball position only fractionally if at all, rather than taking a 5-iron, moving it back to the middle of the stance, making some big swing adjustment, etc.
I am a fan of the sport, not Tiger in particular and try to be as neutral as possible. Sure Niklaus will be remembered by some, particularly those who are closely involved in golf, but for the grand audience it is Tiger. And hey who knows, Tiger is going through a rough time in his life right now but if he gets his game back, he has proven to be able to defeat anyone, anywhere, anytime. He still has some time to surpass Jack and I think every true fan of the golf sport ought to hope for it.
I think: One important secret of the greatness of this Sportsman was: the sensitive feeling from impact to the end of the swing playing pitches and chipping. The accuracy of that movements were a key of his success. Or?
You clearly never saw Jack in his prime. Given the same equipment, no age difference, and both in there prime it would be fun to watch both go at it. Both are great golfers hands down. My hope is Tiger can get it going again.
@emncaity The one I left out is (most Nicklaus fans will know this) the "head still" principle, which Jack said was his #1 fundamental without which all other fundamentals break down and become unanalyzable and undoable. I absolutely guarantee you you can correlate TW's best ballstriking weeks with his head being relatively more still (although it still moves more than Jack's did in Jack's prime). If he ever really got hold of that fundamental, he'd hit 50% more fairways instantly.
@stackleft Exactly, that's why I don;t understand why he says that. If you look at the 4 frame view of his address, the club is much further away from the body with the driver and gradually moves closer with the shorter clubs. This is clearly NOT the same swing for all shots unless you want to try to parse out the argument.
@sretsam68 well its a tough argument to say who is better both are great players and I will leave it at that......both DOMINATED their respective times......
@Gyro911 Just one example: If you remember when Woods and Mediate had a playoff for the U.S. Open at Torrey Pines a couple of years ago, you had two guys in a tie for the 72-hole lead who had hit barely over 50% of the fairways IN A U.S. OPEN--and still beat everybody else. If courses were "harder" these days, they both would've shot about 82 on Thursday and Friday and missed the cut.
anyone ever see Jack Nicklaus throw his clubs all over the place like Woods does after a bad shot? the Golden Bear a true Golf Champion, the best EVER!
then narrow your stance as JACK says....the ball will be in your middle of stance.....try moving the ball position one ball back or forth to fine tune your perfect bottom of swing
@sretsam68 not to mention of course the great barrier that held hundreds upon thousands of coloured people from playing our fantastic game. The game of golf has become much more competitive, with a much larger playing field. We see more excellent golfers than any other era today, Tiger is outstanding in this superior playing field. Which I believe makes Tiger Woods accomplishments thus far already far ahead of all of Nicklaus'. It seems absurd you can even imagine Nicklaus' CONTINUED
Sure, you can't get a perfect comparison, but you can get something close. The major variables are course conditioning (fast fairways, mostly perfect lies, and perfect greens, particularly); equipment (HUGE differences); what clubs are needed for approach shots (e.g., 8-iron instead of 1-iron for #15 at Augusta); the all-exempt-tour birdiefest mentality; and maybe a couple more. You'll find that with minor sensible adjustments to account for these variables, scores haven't gone down at all.
Aaaaand another thing: I totally agree with you about Hogan's comeback and what kind of toughness it showed, but I'd point to Hogan's background and his difficulty in the early years on tour as further evidence, too. Imagine a supremely talented but self-absorbed person such as Tiger, who had nothing to do in his life, ever, but play golf and get ready to be a champion, had the road paved for him, etc....imagine him coming out of the kind of early life Hogan had, and getting all the way to #1.
@Charlie9046 Comments on race aside, you definitely came to the right place by coming to this vid,if you're trying to improve. Every big-picture thing Tiger and most other players are trying to do in their swings, Jack exemplified in his own swing (as passed down to him from Jack Grout). Let me know if you want some book references (unless you've already got them).
Jack’s vhs lesson’s taught me how to play golf back in the mid 80’s. He is. An outstanding teacher.
I've rearrange my clubs and simplified my game - 1 driver, 3 irons, and 10 putters. Because putting is so important, you need choices.
Don't forget 5 left 5 right
I’ve thought of carrying a light blade and a heavy mallet.
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@@blackedmirror5073 My wife says that in bed! 🤣
When I was 15 yrs old, he came to my high school to watch his son play basketball. He smiled when I asked for his autograph and was very nice to me. I played football against his other son. Really nice guy. I picked up gold a year later and the first book I read was his. Cool guy.
Cool story...thanks for sharing
I started out doing what most people do, and that was to shift the ball position forward or back in the stance depending on the club. I took a lesson from a guy that showed me this video, as well as a book written by Ben Hogan, where they both said that ball position should be off the front inside heel for ALL clubs. Ever since then, I have been hitting my hybrids, irons, and wedges solid. It definitely depends on the golfer, but clearly the "old school" approach is what works for me.
@Captsaison While that may be true, a lot of people forget a crucial factor with Nicklaus' method of playing the ball off the left heel for all shots. As the clubs got shorter, his stance got narrower. With a narrower stance, a ball played off the left heel is actually quite close to the center of one's stance--as it should be for the shorter clubs--promoting a downward strike on the ball. With longer clubs, his stance got gradually wider, which promoted a more sweeping attack into the ball.
Great analysis. It is true. It involves relationship to BOTH feet. Not only the left foot.
One of the best and most simple lessons ever, from the greatest player the game has ever known.
Good advice for golfers of all levels of player. I have always liked jack. He seems like a real gentleman.
How can this get any thumbs down? Jack is the Master.
I don’t think Jack’s too worried about it 🙄
I agree.Jack is the greatest ever.
Greatest instructional video ever by the greatest player ever.
Jack instructor is right, spot on..
I like steve elkingtons explanation of this arc problem. Steve is an excellent teacher.
The Best Of All Time, Jack Nicklaus,
Thanks for posting. Great to see it again. I would watch his tips videos when they were shown on broadcast television many years ago, on weekend afternoons, and learned alot from them all.
I've studied Jack for a long time.Read his teachers book recently(How I taught Jack Nicklaus by Jack Grout).This swing generates tremendous clubhead speed resulting in very impressive distances.My drives are always threatening 300 yards.This swing does require strong legs and hips and good flexibility.Power does NOT come from the hands.Jack calls the hands "lime light hoggers" and "swing ruiners". Power is generated from "the feet up" using the kinematic sequence to transfer power to the club.
That is really good to hear. The golf swing--like any physical movement--can be made as complicated as you want to, and there's a hell of a lot of money in it. But you look at all the greatest players, and how many of them had complicated methods? Tiger and Jack work on about four or five main fundamentals, and that's it. Snead, same thing. Even Hogan's book was way shorter than all the hugely detailed screeds that followed it.
Jack is The Greatest of All Time! 😊
only video one needs to watch by THE GOAT
Like many great teachers, Jack makes the explanation simple ... and that he uses the same swing essentially for all club lengths is I think one of the keys to his great consistency.
Interesting, fairly new to developing a swing, but with many, many years observing, I've noticed I tend to stance the same with a driver down to a 6i, but tend to center with pw and putter, and I do very well. Watching the " All time greats " Tiger included, tells me, the perfect golf swing, is developed by personal ability, style and preference.
head position is the most fascinating thing about the swing, for me. jack, like all golfers, except bobby jones, who was left eye dominant, has his right eye directly over the ball at impact. obviously the right eye is behind the ball address and the big question is how does the head move itself into a position where the right eye is directly over the ball at impact? and does the way we look up at the target have any bearing on the way we position our head? jack looks up with the left side of his head, then, when he looks back at the ball, he nudges the left side of his head forwards. and i wonder, can we can make that an all in one movement and push the left side of the head forwards as we look up at the target at address?
Thank you Mr. Nicklaus. Due to numerous injuries (broken neck ‘12), I’m changing my swing to match yours. Brian3.5
Best American golfer🌏
Totally Brilliant. Hogan famously said that you can't swing too flat (to Gary Player) and Nicklaus' swing here proves that you can't push the club back too far on the inside.
With all this talk about Tiger v. Jack, it should be noted that the principles behind their swings (at least with Tiger's best swings, the ones where his head isn't moving a foot downward at the outset of his downswing) are pretty much identical: wide, extended arc; straight left wrist in line with clubface and left forearm at the top; power from the ground up; firm left side at impact; wide extension past the ball; release a blend of hands, forearm rotation, and body rotation. Timeless.
If you look at 01:16 you can see that actually he did change the ball position (relevant to his left heel). With the 9 iron it's on the inside of his left heel, progressing to the driver when it's off his big toe. Despite his commentary.
Thanks so much this has helped me a lot with my longer clubs
Yes, swing consistency and contact are the keys, playing the ball forward means that the bottom of the swing arc, relative to the left shoulder will move to the same place everytime with a shallowed out downswing plane.
Greatest player of all time! He may not have known path vs face angle's directly but he knew how to get it done!
you think you know what the greatest golfer in history knew about his own swing?
Wrong.
@@jrlagoni obviously you are wrong but you don't have to tell everybody.
Also, he's really talking about the basic ball position being in approximately the same place relative to the front foot. Biomechanically it makes a lot of sense, because of the tendency of the bottom of the swing arc to locate itself consistently relative to about the inside of the lead armpit or so. Dropping the trailing foot back or bringing it forward adjusts the swing center, even when the ball is in the same position relative to the front foot.
Yep, moving the swing arc forward, i.e. the left shoulder moving froward, actually moves the ball back in the stance relative to "low point " or the bottom of the swing which explains why Jack and Mr. Hogan played a fade, or a cut most of the time, and both were deadly accurate with it.
The best golfer!
Behind tiger woods
Having said that, I think even Jack knows that with modern drivers in particular, playing it a fraction farther forward isn't such a bad idea, since a level or even slightly ascending blow is ideal. But his basic point is right, because it has to do with simplifying the setup and swing to promote consistency and solid contact.
He adjusts his right leg to the club he's hitting! His ball in same position for every shot! Because moving his RF closer for shorter clubs ball looks back in stance!
Good point!
JACK NICKLAUS was almost impossible to beat back in the day!
There is still a lot to learn from Nicklaus. Too bad more people don't focus on his teachings.
Cause they can learn from Tiger Woods
@@slapshot68 Okaaay lol
Woden of the Angles only his back prevented him from easily passing Jack, I don’t think it was the affair at all that got his career messed up, I hav a bad back n I tell u it’s not pleasant
@@slapshot68 That’s pure conjecture on your part. It’s like saying if Jack had only won a fourth of the majors he came second in he would have 25 majors. Tiger had his chance. Maybe if he hadn’t changed his swing and coaches multiple times his back would have held up, who knows. Like I said speculation and conjecture on your part.
@@slapshot68 tiger beat hacks and Jack beat legends and he still has three more majors and many more runner ups. Jack was straighter and just as long as Tiger with a heavier metal shaft and a small wooden golf head. Tiger with all the technology can not hit a driver straight and stopped winning majors when Dustin Phil and Koepka looked at his drives in the rear view mirror. He did win one more major though.
Great advice! To swing thru the ball the ball position must be up in the stance! Most play the ball back, this promotes hitting at it! Lee Trevino may be the only exception!
these are awesome vids from the best! Thanks for posting this!
What an amazing golfer. The best ever,
"you can only swing as fast as your legs go" - Jack Nicklaus
He found Hogans secret....it's the legs ladies and gents.
@@charleyreeb6590 I believe his natural shot is a fade too because of it, but he's strong and could hit it far with a fade. A lot of guys need to draw the ball to get long distance.
@154rjr Don't forget Jack's 19 second place finishes in the Majors!
[sorry, hit "post" mistakenly]
...apart from the fiddling with plane and other tweaking, his basic fundamentals _are_ Jack's--the big shoulder turn and width of arm swing, the dead-square left wrist, unwinding from the ground up, nose pointed at the ball's original position until full extension on the follow-through. The one thing that's not in that mix is a super-steady head, and coincidentally that's one thing Tiger's been working on the past couple of years and has improved it a lot.
@Gyro911
Don't know how possible it is to tie it definitely to the swing action, but he did have a lot of trouble both with the hip and back (in his case, they were related). I think the guy he used to see for his back, Pete Egoscue, believed the swing had something to do with it.
You are correct! Good addition to the list.
I think one proof of old versus new was Tom Watson stunning play at this years British Open. As he said many players today doesn't have the range of shots (especially for links golf) that he has. If the old players would have had the equipment of today we would have had similar results. Comparing results over ages is mostly futile in my view. But there are of course exceptions like Tiger Woods, Jack Nicklaus at his best and Byron Nelsons 14 won tournaments etc.
hey jack you rule
share your opinion on the one swing thing (actually was working on that concept when i saw the best golfer ever had the same :)
I gotta think you're right about Jack and TW being the best clutch putters. Today, it's really the difference between Tiger and his nearest pursuers. His reads are so good, his speed is so consistent, and his technique is so free of quirks, it's just amazing. I can't remember what tourney it was last year that he missed literally NO putts of five feet or less. Unheard of.
@sretsam68 agree with what you're saying about the length of courses and equipment. however, players are a lot more fit nowadays. Tiger, Mcilroy, Villegas, casey
If you are a high hcp:er or don't have so much time to play golf, I believe that this video tip from Master JN is all right (perhaps put the ball a little bit back when the wind from front of you is hard). There are so many things that a golfer must think about moving the body right - so just put the ball where JN say here in this video. NB. With this ball position it is easy to get the ball in the air, high. (I'm not an expert).
I would add that driver a flatter swing as opposed to a wedge. Right?
you have the benefit of time & hindsight. the greatest players of this generation have yet to be realized in my opinion. that makes Tiger great because it doesn't matter who is really good. he is just 'that' much better. i'm pretty sure he is going to be the best ever, so people won't be wrong going with Tiger as the G.O.A.T.
Billy Casper was a freak on the short grass, too.
In context, if you see the whole video, it's quite obvious he's talking about full shots.
Still, it's clear he advocates not moving the ball all over the place for various shots. Fractionally up for a higher pitch, fractionally back for a knockdown (but mainly done with a lower-lofted club, not taking the same club, moving it back eight inches, and delofting the crap out of it). That sort of thing.
My last comment seemed rude. I apologize. I add - it may be basically the same swing. But the arc is much more narrow with the short irons than the driver or long irons. The length of the shaft and wider stance may handle this problem depending on each individuals strength-coordination factor. And turning the chin slightly to right placing the left eye on the ball opens up the pivot and turn, but you must make sure the short irons don't follow the driver' arc. Some may adapt to the arc with pr
@Gyro911 i was referring to the fact that you asked if he'd be as good or dominant today, well he'd have better equipment at his disposal so he'd obviously be better, his scores still hold up against todays golfers with all their modern clubs etc......so hence me asking if you were serious
well said about Hogan. there's the great 'what if?' in the history of golf. How many would Hogan have won if not for the accident? we'll never know. the thing about Nicklaus that stands out is his OVERALL record in Majors. 19 seconds - 73 top 10's. That's insane. Basically, he was a factor in every major championship he competed in. not only a factor, but gave himself a legit chance to win. that said, i can watch the slow motion section of the original Golf My Way for hours. Awesome!!
I guess the one comparison that can't be made about Tiger and Jack is longetivity. Jack was competiive well into his forties, was competitive on the senior tour. Jack faced down so many differant generations of great golfers and beat them all its just amazing. Tiger is the best there is today; I'm sure of that now after watching these other guys without tiger in the field, but I just don't know if his body and mind will be able to go the long haul, especially now.
(continued from last post) Some may adapt to the differences in the arc through practice and never notice the difference. Others may experience inconsistant shots because they are not aware of the arc's difference. The key is to be able to swing consistantly within different arcs. Again some people have natural talent and do this naturally - while others spend their wheels not knowing what the problem is.
@emncaity
If he's 31 and watched Jack play in person, he saw him well past any prime - even prime playing years on the Champions Tour. Reminds me of Bob Tway's comments about having played with Jack and Tiger and giving the nod to Tiger. Well, he played with Tiger in Tiger's prime and most likely Jack when Jack was in his 40s. No perspective, there Bob.
You're exactly right. The thing I've learned is never every try to imitate a particular player's swing.
@rw5791 John Daly,,Phil Mickelson,Davis Love III, VJ Sing,Angel Cabrera, all major champions ,Bubba Watson , a ton more on the champions tour and just about every world long drive champion. It's a signature move of many "classic swingers"..That style will never go away.It has stood the test of time.Only someone who knows nothing about the umpteen thousands of ways to swing a golf club would make the statement you made.Might I suggest "The Golfing Machine" by Homer Kelley.
Agreed. I read "The Match" recently and it only reinforces Hogan's toughness. Also, it will be interesting to see how Tiger handles heckling - it will happen. Seems like Nicklaus handled the heckling by Arnie's Army pretty well. If Tiger complained about cameras, just wait...IMO, Tiger should take the entire year off. However, he's in love with himself and attaining the record of majors...nothing more, nothing less.
the 1975 us pga
nicklaus's caddy said to jack that he would come up short with the one iron he had chosen.
roger maltbie said he will never forget the look on jack's face when he replied "we'll get it there today"
"i never saw a shot like it-it was a skyscraper"
not only the greatest long iron ever but he also won the tournament
Nicklaus still reigns supreme.
One thing that Jack does differently is that he does not angle his left at address, or during the swing. If you draw a vertical from his left foot his leg is in line with it. That's how stays over the ball so well and is able to attack the ball the way he does.
When the greatest golfer in history says there's only one swing it sort of makes the 1,421,000 teaching pros seem a little silly.
There is a basic swing for each shot , a basic swing for each person . the problem is who finds the best way for less shots ? The best to put a good round together
What made you pick that #?
Thanks for the Video clip! Apologies for the intrusion, I would love your opinion. Have you researched - Paneevelyn Swinging Clubsman (do a google search)? It is an awesome one of a kind guide for revealing an effortless golf swing technique without the headache. Ive heard some awesome things about it and my buddy finally got astronomical results with it.
Tiger Woods is second in total driving on the PGA Tour this season , the main reason he was in trees all day was because of injury , he kept saying when the knee was right he would be back on track and guess what he is , plus in Jacks day when you were hitting 230 and you were 3degrees off it meant you were on the right or left side of the fairway , if you are hitting it 320 and off by the same margin you will be in a different area code .
Aside from Ben Hogan, Jack had the best swing in golf history. The modern swing is a recipe for injury as the golfers age. Taking the lower body out of the swing is putting undue stress on the upper body.
@Charlie9046
So how's it coming?
If you're learning, you could hardly do better than to find yourself a copy of the original Golf My Way, from which this video was taken.
You will also notice his rate of spite tilt in his set-up is also the same throughout all the clubs. He does as everyone should, eliminate as many variable elements as possible as he stands up to the ball.
@1019079 I dont think Id say lifting your heel is a bad thing either. My understanding is that keeping it planted creates more torque by keeping your hips quiet during your back swing.
I agree with it. I was playing golf for a few years now. I looked at Tiger swing and tried to copy it. ( And many others old and new) Never could hit the ball well until i copied Jack.
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Color's great, too.
"Damage to [Hogan's] nerves"--yeah, the wreck, and all those years of competition combined with his grinding nature. But according to people like Snead, you're absolutely right about Hogan's putting; the guy who later said putting ought to be all but eliminated from the game was at one time one of the best putters, esp. one of the best short putters, of all the pros.
On his good weeks, Tiger is unbelievable around the greens. What almost nobody realizes is that THAT is the part of his physical game that separates him from the field, not his full-swing game. His short putting is off the charts on some weeks.
that is my case exactly...like Tom Watson said with the right equipment you can compete with anyone. everybody has some jacked up equipment & still Tiger crushes people. he is just really really good.
Both Grout and Nicklaus believed that, for instance, if you wanted to hit it 180 into the wind, it was better to choke down a little on a 3-iron and hit it with a little more compact action, adjusting the ball position only fractionally if at all, rather than taking a 5-iron, moving it back to the middle of the stance, making some big swing adjustment, etc.
I am a fan of the sport, not Tiger in particular and try to be as neutral as possible. Sure Niklaus will be remembered by some, particularly those who are closely involved in golf, but for the grand audience it is Tiger. And hey who knows, Tiger is going through a rough time in his life right now but if he gets his game back, he has proven to be able to defeat anyone, anywhere, anytime. He still has some time to surpass Jack and I think every true fan of the golf sport ought to hope for it.
@tiger2995
So, SO true...and you just mentioned one of my all-time heroes, for sure.
I think: One important secret of the greatness of this Sportsman was: the sensitive feeling from impact to the end of the swing playing pitches and chipping. The accuracy of that movements were a key of his success. Or?
You clearly never saw Jack in his prime. Given the same equipment, no age difference, and both in there prime it would be fun to watch both go at it. Both are great golfers hands down. My hope is Tiger can get it going again.
@emncaity
The one I left out is (most Nicklaus fans will know this) the "head still" principle, which Jack said was his #1 fundamental without which all other fundamentals break down and become unanalyzable and undoable. I absolutely guarantee you you can correlate TW's best ballstriking weeks with his head being relatively more still (although it still moves more than Jack's did in Jack's prime). If he ever really got hold of that fundamental, he'd hit 50% more fairways instantly.
@stackleft Exactly, that's why I don;t understand why he says that. If you look at the 4 frame view of his address, the club is much further away from the body with the driver and gradually moves closer with the shorter clubs. This is clearly NOT the same swing for all shots unless you want to try to parse out the argument.
he's also inaccurate off the tee sometimes because of the late hands of his reworked swing sometimes cause him to push it
@sretsam68 well its a tough argument to say who is better both are great players and I will leave it at that......both DOMINATED their respective times......
@Gyro911
Just one example: If you remember when Woods and Mediate had a playoff for the U.S. Open at Torrey Pines a couple of years ago, you had two guys in a tie for the 72-hole lead who had hit barely over 50% of the fairways IN A U.S. OPEN--and still beat everybody else. If courses were "harder" these days, they both would've shot about 82 on Thursday and Friday and missed the cut.
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anyone ever see Jack Nicklaus throw his clubs all over the place like Woods does after a bad shot? the Golden Bear a true Golf Champion, the best EVER!
???I’ve watched most of Tigers shots in his ‘on TV’ career and I’ve never seen him throw a club.
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Of course he is! There is and always will be only 1 Jack! I miss watching him play..
@coojofresh
By what standard do you give him "best ever"?
People tell me that I'm the greatest short putter (tap ins of 3 inches or less) they hve ever seen. It's all about my confident focus and swagger.
then narrow your stance as JACK says....the ball will be in your middle of stance.....try moving the ball position one ball back or forth to fine tune your perfect bottom of swing
Agreed. Other than Hogan, no one hit more greens percentage-wise than Jack.
@sretsam68 not to mention of course the great barrier that held hundreds upon thousands of coloured people from playing our fantastic game. The game of golf has become much more competitive, with a much larger playing field. We see more excellent golfers than any other era today, Tiger is outstanding in this superior playing field. Which I believe makes Tiger Woods accomplishments thus far already far ahead of all of Nicklaus'. It seems absurd you can even imagine Nicklaus' CONTINUED
Sure, you can't get a perfect comparison, but you can get something close. The major variables are course conditioning (fast fairways, mostly perfect lies, and perfect greens, particularly); equipment (HUGE differences); what clubs are needed for approach shots (e.g., 8-iron instead of 1-iron for #15 at Augusta); the all-exempt-tour birdiefest mentality; and maybe a couple more. You'll find that with minor sensible adjustments to account for these variables, scores haven't gone down at all.
Aaaaand another thing: I totally agree with you about Hogan's comeback and what kind of toughness it showed, but I'd point to Hogan's background and his difficulty in the early years on tour as further evidence, too. Imagine a supremely talented but self-absorbed person such as Tiger, who had nothing to do in his life, ever, but play golf and get ready to be a champion, had the road paved for him, etc....imagine him coming out of the kind of early life Hogan had, and getting all the way to #1.
@Charlie9046
Comments on race aside, you definitely came to the right place by coming to this vid,if you're trying to improve. Every big-picture thing Tiger and most other players are trying to do in their swings, Jack exemplified in his own swing (as passed down to him from Jack Grout). Let me know if you want some book references (unless you've already got them).